• Any thoughts on River Runner R5 and R5 Excel ?

    From Lee Bones@21:1/5 to Richard Culpeper on Wed May 5 15:27:20 2021
    On Monday, May 4, 1998 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-5, Richard Culpeper wrote:
    John:
    The R5 can give you a taste of everything, but is not very good at any one thing. For flatwater touring mixed with a little easy wild water, it is a fine boat -- great for easy weekend overnight trips. It tours nicely on
    flat water, can easily handle rough open water, and can handle
    non-technical easy wild water if the eddys are not tight. When compared to
    a sea kayak, it is fairly slow and has poor storage, but can still easily hold a weekend's worth of gear. When compared to a wild water kayak it is
    far too long and too slow turning -- it handles more like a typical recreational canoe than a kayak. You can run non-technical wild water, but don't expect to make any quick turns.
    The R5 is a boat which many people start with but eventually grow out of
    when they specialize as sea or wild water paddlers, so you might consider looking for a second hand one ($650CDN is the going rate for a new one including a cheap skirt and paddle).
    Richard Culpeper
    Instructor, OWWA, OSCRA
    John Buffett wrote:
    Hi all:

    I am a rank beginner. I can roll a keyak in a swimming pool. ( For Now!
    )
    My ambitions are flatwater touring and maybe Class I or II WW.

    What impressions does the group have for the:

    River Runner R5 with paddle and skirt at $650 Can.
    River Runner R5 Excel with paddle and skirt at $850 Can.

    I know they are far from top of line but they are in my price range.

    What are the goods and bads of this boat ?

    Appreciate any feedback and thanks in advance.

    John

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  • From Lee Bones@21:1/5 to Richard Culpeper on Wed May 5 16:25:26 2021
    On Monday, May 4, 1998 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-5, Richard Culpeper wrote:
    John:
    The R5 can give you a taste of everything, but is not very good at any one thing. For flatwater touring mixed with a little easy wild water, it is a fine boat -- great for easy weekend overnight trips. It tours nicely on
    flat water, can easily handle rough open water, and can handle
    non-technical easy wild water if the eddys are not tight. When compared to
    a sea kayak, it is fairly slow and has poor storage, but can still easily hold a weekend's worth of gear. When compared to a wild water kayak it is
    far too long and too slow turning -- it handles more like a typical recreational canoe than a kayak. You can run non-technical wild water, but don't expect to make any quick turns.
    The R5 is a boat which many people start with but eventually grow out of
    when they specialize as sea or wild water paddlers, so you might consider looking for a second hand one ($650CDN is the going rate for a new one including a cheap skirt and paddle).
    Richard Culpeper
    Instructor, OWWA, OSCRA
    John Buffett wrote:
    Hi all:

    I am a rank beginner. I can roll a keyak in a swimming pool. ( For Now!
    )
    My ambitions are flatwater touring and maybe Class I or II WW.

    What impressions does the group have for the:

    River Runner R5 with paddle and skirt at $650 Can.
    River Runner R5 Excel with paddle and skirt at $850 Can.

    I know they are far from top of line but they are in my price range.

    What are the goods and bads of this boat ?

    Appreciate any feedback and thanks in advance.

    John
    drove from austin, tx. to dallas when i saw one for sale. i could see from multiple photos it was just what i was looking for. it is quite fast( for a boat that has at least some whitewater ability) stable and tracks exceptionally well.( here again, for
    a boat that can turn if put on edge a bit. it is certianly not any sort of dedicated whitewater boat, nor does it really belong on a flat lake. it is what the name implies, a generalist moving-water tourer, for class 2 with long, slow stretches . goes
    upstream rapidly. forget about playing, quick eddy-outs, though with a little foresight( a practice we could all benefit from) i find it can to be made to turn reasonably for it`s length. stay out of creeks! has the one-size-fits-all saw-toothed
    footpegs, which belong in a swimming pool, not a river. i plan to replace with real aluminum footrest and some thigh bracing. currently very difficult to roll. at 6ft, 165 lbs i cannot lock into hull properly. i feel this is a very good hull design for
    it`s intended purpose but was never outfitted appropriately , due to marketing/ cost restraints.i can`t see that anyone currently makes a hull very similar to this.the prijon expedition moves in this direction, and is doubtlessly a better made and
    equiped boat(with hatches!) but appears to have knife- edge, bow and stern. somewhat faster, i`m sure,and better tracking, but i think it would be a real hand full in standing waves and eddy lines. the r-5 was canadian made, and seems to be rare very
    far south of washington or new england. mine was apparently sold new in u.s.a., it has seda graphics, no mention of r-5 or the "dimension" company. happy paddling!

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