• New Ohio law: Drivers leave 3-foot gap to pass bicyclists

    From clare@snyder.on.ca@21:1/5 to garrison@efn.org on Tue Mar 21 16:51:36 2017
    XPost: rec.bicycles.misc, rec.bicycles.tech

    On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:08:01 -0400, Garrison Hilliard
    <garrison@efn.org> wrote:

    COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - A new Ohio law requires drivers to allow at
    least 3 feet of space when passing bicyclists on the road, though some >cyclists say it's tough to enforce and not a strong enough deterrent
    to cars zipping past too closely.

    Some Ohio cities, including Cincinnati, Cleveland and Columbus,
    already had similar requirements.

    The measure that took effect Tuesday is among 17 bills that Republican
    Gov. John Kasich (KAY'-sik) signed late last year. It adds the
    specific 3-foot passing provision to Ohio law, which previously
    required allowing a generic "safe distance."

    The Plain Dealer reports Ohio joins more than half the states in the
    country in setting that specification as part of law to help protect >bicyclists.





    http://www.fox19.com/story/34960657/new-ohio-law-drivers-leave-3-foot-gap-to-pass-bicyclists


    Ontario as well.

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to garrison@efn.org on Tue Mar 21 18:31:04 2017
    XPost: rec.bicycles.misc, rec.bicycles.tech

    On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:08:01 -0400, Garrison Hilliard
    <garrison@efn.org> wrote:

    COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - A new Ohio law requires drivers to allow at
    least 3 feet of space when passing bicyclists on the road, (...) >http://www.fox19.com/story/34960657/new-ohio-law-drivers-leave-3-foot-gap-to-pass-bicyclists

    I noticed that California drivers are already practicing their passing
    skills in maintaining a 3ft clearance. A car and cyclist were
    approaching from the opposite direction on a two lane roadway. In
    order to pass the cyclist, the car swerved into oncoming traffic
    nearly causing it to hit me head on. I had to swerve and drive on the
    road shoulder in order to prevent an impact. Perhaps it might be
    useful for the law to explain what a driver should do if it's not
    possible to safely pass with a 3ft clearance?

    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From clare@snyder.on.ca@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 21 21:57:53 2017
    XPost: rec.bicycles.misc, rec.bicycles.tech

    On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 19:31:04 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:08:01 -0400, Garrison Hilliard
    <garrison@efn.org> wrote:

    COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - A new Ohio law requires drivers to allow at
    least 3 feet of space when passing bicyclists on the road, (...) >>http://www.fox19.com/story/34960657/new-ohio-law-drivers-leave-3-foot-gap-to-pass-bicyclists

    I noticed that California drivers are already practicing their passing
    skills in maintaining a 3ft clearance. A car and cyclist were
    approaching from the opposite direction on a two lane roadway. In
    order to pass the cyclist, the car swerved into oncoming traffic
    nearly causing it to hit me head on. I had to swerve and drive on the
    road shoulder in order to prevent an impact. Perhaps it might be
    useful for the law to explain what a driver should do if it's not
    possible to safely pass with a 3ft clearance?
    It is in the ontario law. The driver must wait to pass untill it is
    safe to do so.

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  • From Duane@21:1/5 to clare@snyder.on.ca on Wed Mar 22 08:08:53 2017
    XPost: rec.bicycles.misc, rec.bicycles.tech

    On 21/03/2017 10:57 PM, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 19:31:04 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:08:01 -0400, Garrison Hilliard
    <garrison@efn.org> wrote:

    COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - A new Ohio law requires drivers to allow at
    least 3 feet of space when passing bicyclists on the road, (...)
    http://www.fox19.com/story/34960657/new-ohio-law-drivers-leave-3-foot-gap-to-pass-bicyclists

    I noticed that California drivers are already practicing their passing
    skills in maintaining a 3ft clearance. A car and cyclist were
    approaching from the opposite direction on a two lane roadway. In
    order to pass the cyclist, the car swerved into oncoming traffic
    nearly causing it to hit me head on. I had to swerve and drive on the
    road shoulder in order to prevent an impact. Perhaps it might be
    useful for the law to explain what a driver should do if it's not
    possible to safely pass with a 3ft clearance?
    It is in the ontario law. The driver must wait to pass untill it is
    safe to do so.


    Same here in Quebec. If they can't pass safely, they have to change
    lanes when it's safe to do so.

    A new reaction to this from some local yahoos is to wait to pass, then
    pass, go to the shoulder where there is gravel and spin out throwing
    gravel at the bikes. One of my riding buddies showed me a new helmet
    mounted camera that he plans to use this season just for this case.

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to clare@snyder.on.ca on Wed Mar 22 08:27:36 2017
    XPost: rec.bicycles.misc, rec.bicycles.tech

    On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 22:57:53 -0400, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:

    On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 19:31:04 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:08:01 -0400, Garrison Hilliard
    <garrison@efn.org> wrote:

    COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - A new Ohio law requires drivers to allow at
    least 3 feet of space when passing bicyclists on the road, (...) >>>http://www.fox19.com/story/34960657/new-ohio-law-drivers-leave-3-foot-gap-to-pass-bicyclists

    I noticed that California drivers are already practicing their passing >>skills in maintaining a 3ft clearance. A car and cyclist were
    approaching from the opposite direction on a two lane roadway. In
    order to pass the cyclist, the car swerved into oncoming traffic
    nearly causing it to hit me head on. I had to swerve and drive on the
    road shoulder in order to prevent an impact. Perhaps it might be
    useful for the law to explain what a driver should do if it's not
    possible to safely pass with a 3ft clearance?

    It is in the ontario law. The driver must wait to pass untill it is
    safe to do so.

    I should have checked the applicable laws before posting. <http://www.ncsl.org/research/transportation/safely-passing-bicyclists.aspx> California is quite specific about what to do if it's not safe to
    pass. Most of the other states either don't mention this, qualify
    passing as "safely passing", or just assume that no sane driver would
    dive into oncoming traffic while passing.

    Only one state (S. Dakota) has a provision for addition clearance at
    higher speeds. I'm not sure what this means:
    "A motorist overtaking a bicycle proceeding in the same direction
    may partially cross the highway centerline between two lanes of
    travel in the same direction if it can be performed safely."
    Last time I checked, crossing the center line puts one in the opposite direction, not the same direction.



    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From Duane@21:1/5 to Jeff Liebermann on Wed Mar 22 11:56:04 2017
    XPost: rec.bicycles.misc, rec.bicycles.tech

    On 22/03/2017 12:27 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 22:57:53 -0400, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:

    On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 19:31:04 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:08:01 -0400, Garrison Hilliard
    <garrison@efn.org> wrote:

    COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - A new Ohio law requires drivers to allow at
    least 3 feet of space when passing bicyclists on the road, (...)
    http://www.fox19.com/story/34960657/new-ohio-law-drivers-leave-3-foot-gap-to-pass-bicyclists

    I noticed that California drivers are already practicing their passing
    skills in maintaining a 3ft clearance. A car and cyclist were
    approaching from the opposite direction on a two lane roadway. In
    order to pass the cyclist, the car swerved into oncoming traffic
    nearly causing it to hit me head on. I had to swerve and drive on the
    road shoulder in order to prevent an impact. Perhaps it might be
    useful for the law to explain what a driver should do if it's not
    possible to safely pass with a 3ft clearance?

    It is in the ontario law. The driver must wait to pass untill it is
    safe to do so.

    I should have checked the applicable laws before posting. <http://www.ncsl.org/research/transportation/safely-passing-bicyclists.aspx> California is quite specific about what to do if it's not safe to
    pass. Most of the other states either don't mention this, qualify
    passing as "safely passing", or just assume that no sane driver would
    dive into oncoming traffic while passing.

    Only one state (S. Dakota) has a provision for addition clearance at
    higher speeds. I'm not sure what this means:
    "A motorist overtaking a bicycle proceeding in the same direction
    may partially cross the highway centerline between two lanes of
    travel in the same direction if it can be performed safely."
    Last time I checked, crossing the center line puts one in the opposite direction, not the same direction.




    "centerline between two lanes of travel in the same direction"

    Not the center line of the highway. The center line between two lanes
    of travel in the same direction. So a 4 lane highway maybe?

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  • From clare@snyder.on.ca@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 22 15:31:33 2017
    XPost: rec.bicycles.misc, rec.bicycles.tech

    On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 09:27:36 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 22:57:53 -0400, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:

    On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 19:31:04 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>wrote:

    On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:08:01 -0400, Garrison Hilliard
    <garrison@efn.org> wrote:

    COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - A new Ohio law requires drivers to allow at
    least 3 feet of space when passing bicyclists on the road, (...) >>>>http://www.fox19.com/story/34960657/new-ohio-law-drivers-leave-3-foot-gap-to-pass-bicyclists

    I noticed that California drivers are already practicing their passing >>>skills in maintaining a 3ft clearance. A car and cyclist were >>>approaching from the opposite direction on a two lane roadway. In
    order to pass the cyclist, the car swerved into oncoming traffic
    nearly causing it to hit me head on. I had to swerve and drive on the >>>road shoulder in order to prevent an impact. Perhaps it might be
    useful for the law to explain what a driver should do if it's not >>>possible to safely pass with a 3ft clearance?

    It is in the ontario law. The driver must wait to pass untill it is
    safe to do so.

    I should have checked the applicable laws before posting. ><http://www.ncsl.org/research/transportation/safely-passing-bicyclists.aspx> >California is quite specific about what to do if it's not safe to
    pass. Most of the other states either don't mention this, qualify
    passing as "safely passing", or just assume that no sane driver would
    dive into oncoming traffic while passing.

    Only one state (S. Dakota) has a provision for addition clearance at
    higher speeds. I'm not sure what this means:
    "A motorist overtaking a bicycle proceeding in the same direction
    may partially cross the highway centerline between two lanes of
    travel in the same direction if it can be performed safely."
    Last time I checked, crossing the center line puts one in the opposite >direction, not the same direction.
    Not on multi-lane roads - and a LARGE number of Ontario roads have
    more than one lane in each direction. The BIG ones don't allow
    bicycles though (We hve some that are over 8 lanes in each direction)

    Many of you Americans don't realize the busiest roads in North America
    are in Ontario - NOT California!!!

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  • From clare@snyder.on.ca@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 22 15:35:17 2017
    XPost: rec.bicycles.misc, rec.bicycles.tech

    On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 12:56:04 -0400, Duane <duane.hebert@group-upc.com>
    wrote:

    On 22/03/2017 12:27 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 22:57:53 -0400, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:

    On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 19:31:04 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:08:01 -0400, Garrison Hilliard
    <garrison@efn.org> wrote:

    COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - A new Ohio law requires drivers to allow at
    least 3 feet of space when passing bicyclists on the road, (...)
    http://www.fox19.com/story/34960657/new-ohio-law-drivers-leave-3-foot-gap-to-pass-bicyclists

    I noticed that California drivers are already practicing their passing >>>> skills in maintaining a 3ft clearance. A car and cyclist were
    approaching from the opposite direction on a two lane roadway. In
    order to pass the cyclist, the car swerved into oncoming traffic
    nearly causing it to hit me head on. I had to swerve and drive on the >>>> road shoulder in order to prevent an impact. Perhaps it might be
    useful for the law to explain what a driver should do if it's not
    possible to safely pass with a 3ft clearance?

    It is in the ontario law. The driver must wait to pass untill it is
    safe to do so.

    I should have checked the applicable laws before posting.
    <http://www.ncsl.org/research/transportation/safely-passing-bicyclists.aspx> >> California is quite specific about what to do if it's not safe to
    pass. Most of the other states either don't mention this, qualify
    passing as "safely passing", or just assume that no sane driver would
    dive into oncoming traffic while passing.

    Only one state (S. Dakota) has a provision for addition clearance at
    higher speeds. I'm not sure what this means:
    "A motorist overtaking a bicycle proceeding in the same direction
    may partially cross the highway centerline between two lanes of
    travel in the same direction if it can be performed safely."
    Last time I checked, crossing the center line puts one in the opposite
    direction, not the same direction.




    "centerline between two lanes of travel in the same direction"

    Not the center line of the highway. The center line between two lanes
    of travel in the same direction. So a 4 lane highway maybe?

    or a 4 or 6 lane urban arterial road. -we have several of those here
    in Waterloo Region which are legal for bikes

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to clare@snyder.on.ca on Wed Mar 22 14:58:34 2017
    XPost: rec.bicycles.misc, rec.bicycles.tech

    On 3/22/2017 3:31 PM, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
    On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 09:27:36 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 22:57:53 -0400, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:

    On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 19:31:04 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:08:01 -0400, Garrison Hilliard
    <garrison@efn.org> wrote:

    COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - A new Ohio law requires drivers to allow at
    least 3 feet of space when passing bicyclists on the road, (...)
    http://www.fox19.com/story/34960657/new-ohio-law-drivers-leave-3-foot-gap-to-pass-bicyclists

    I noticed that California drivers are already practicing their passing >>>> skills in maintaining a 3ft clearance. A car and cyclist were
    approaching from the opposite direction on a two lane roadway. In
    order to pass the cyclist, the car swerved into oncoming traffic
    nearly causing it to hit me head on. I had to swerve and drive on the >>>> road shoulder in order to prevent an impact. Perhaps it might be
    useful for the law to explain what a driver should do if it's not
    possible to safely pass with a 3ft clearance?

    It is in the ontario law. The driver must wait to pass untill it is
    safe to do so.

    I should have checked the applicable laws before posting.
    <http://www.ncsl.org/research/transportation/safely-passing-bicyclists.aspx> >> California is quite specific about what to do if it's not safe to
    pass. Most of the other states either don't mention this, qualify
    passing as "safely passing", or just assume that no sane driver would
    dive into oncoming traffic while passing.

    Only one state (S. Dakota) has a provision for addition clearance at
    higher speeds. I'm not sure what this means:
    "A motorist overtaking a bicycle proceeding in the same direction
    may partially cross the highway centerline between two lanes of
    travel in the same direction if it can be performed safely."
    Last time I checked, crossing the center line puts one in the opposite
    direction, not the same direction.
    Not on multi-lane roads - and a LARGE number of Ontario roads have
    more than one lane in each direction. The BIG ones don't allow
    bicycles though (We hve some that are over 8 lanes in each direction)

    Many of you Americans don't realize the busiest roads in North America
    are in Ontario - NOT California!!!


    (channeling Yogi Berra) nobody drives on the LA freeways,
    they're too crowded.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    <www.yellowjersey.org/>
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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