The bikes I'm riding at the moment are:than the Campy Super Record 10 speed crankis I have. This is because the connecting shaft is much lighter with the 30 mm shaft vs the Campy 25 mm with a Hertz joint in the middle. The FSA is a four arm version. When it had the Campy 11 speed and the
1 Steel Basso Loto with 10 speed Dura Ace
2 Aluminum Specialized Allez with 10 speed Dura Ace
3 Very loight steel Tommasini Fire with Campy 1 speed
4 BMC SLO-01 with Campy 12 speed (this weighs about the samje as the Allez)
5. Though presently out of service the Trek Alpha 1.5 which is a Madone copy in aluminum The short time I used it yesterday the cheapo Look pedals were troublesome so I'll return to Keo Max. The FSA Gossomer (aluminum) EVO cranks are actually lighter
The bikes I've been trying to sell are:some room in the garage.
1. The Cannondale Optimo gravel bike. This is a very nice riding bike but I simply don't have a use for it anymore. It is a 9 speed Dura Ace and if parts weren't so hard to come by, I would use 9 speeds on everything.
2. Ridley Helium with Shimano DI2. My hands are no longer sensitive enough to tell the upshift lever from the downshift lever and I HATE shifting faster when I start a hill. For younger people with full faculties this would be a good climbing bike.
3. Steel normal size tubing Aliverti which looks almoar new. This is also a good riding bike and I did quite a bit of climbing on it. It has a new Campy Chorus 11 speed group with about 300 miles on it. I simply have to reduce my collection to make
4. If I can get the fork setting work on the Fondriest, I will sell it. I think that it has a Record 11 speed group but I have to get it to work first. I don't dump propblems on others.use the 11 even down hills. I caught a closeup of a fast downhill and none of the pro's seem to be in top gear. (the SRAM electric shifters use a 10 tooth rear and they all apppeared to be in the center of the cassette.) The problem is that the human
5. The BMC SLO-01. This is a great riding bike but we're back to reducing inventory. The Chorus 12 speed works well but again, I don't like so much shifting. Thou it would be nice to have a 13-24 instead of that 11-34. I'm not even sure that the pro's
I also have a bunch of parts up for sale on the local Craigslist but absolutely nothing is moving including a complete Campy Centaur group with aero wheels wirh good tires on them (take-offs from the Alpha) The weakness oif the Centaur is that itshifts like the Dura Ace - Three up and on at a time down. The Chorus and above make multiple shifts in both directions. Since you rarely need this, Big Whoop.
The ONLY offer I've had for anything wass for the Cannondale and the guy never showed up and later emailed that he had bought a "cheap beginner bike".discourages them and they simply don't return.
One of the things that I've been seeing is bike clubs are out riding again. They are making the same mistakes that clubs before them have made - not separating the group into speed ranges so that you're not blowing the slow guys off of the back. That
But you would think that there would be a market for good bikes so why is nothing moving?
One of the things that I've been seeing is bike clubs are out riding again. They are making the same mistakes that clubs before them have made - not separating the group into speed ranges so that you're not blowing the slow guys off of the back. Thatdiscourages them and they simply don't return.
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 16:41:50 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>discourages them and they simply don't return.
wrote:
One of the things that I've been seeing is bike clubs are out riding again. They are making the same mistakes that clubs before them have made - not separating the group into speed ranges so that you're not blowing the slow guys off of the back. That
They're probably better off without the group, anyway. Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:discourages them and they simply don't return.
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 16:41:50 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
One of the things that I've been seeing is bike clubs are out riding again. They are making the same mistakes that clubs before them have made - not separating the group into speed ranges so that you're not blowing the slow guys off of the back. That
They're probably better off without the group, anyway. Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:That discourages them and they simply don't return.
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 16:41:50 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
One of the things that I've been seeing is bike clubs are out riding again. They are making the same mistakes that clubs before them have made - not separating the group into speed ranges so that you're not blowing the slow guys off of the back.
They're probably better off without the group, anyway. Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
them following other people.
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's
directions have
them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most
limited riding regime, thinks there's no joy or value in
riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation
with at least 8 different people, and I was introduced to a
few roads I'd never ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At
the group ride's end, I carried on solo for another 16 miles
or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding
solo, riding fast or riding more slowly, riding for
recreation or for utility.
Some folks are much more limited.
On 4/19/2024 6:18 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:That's your value judgement on a matter of personal taste.
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at
least 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd
never ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I
carried on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo,
riding fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
Some folks are much more limited.
Meanwhile Mr Tricycle is free to ride wherever he likes with whomsoever
he pleases. Or with no one.
I'm maybe less a misanthrope, but I quit 'group rides' 35 years ago and
don't miss them, or that sort of conversation,  at all. Oh, and I am
never alone. This week I'm riding with Tacitus (I'm reading his
'Histories'), Hannah Arendt (just finished her Past and Future) and
others. With Billie Holiday in the background.
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here,
and the one with the most limited riding
regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
8 different people,
and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
ridden, some with beautiful scenery.
At the group ride's end, I carried
on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
Some folks are much more limited.
On 4/19/2024 9:33 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/19/2024 6:18 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:That's your value judgement on a matter of personal taste.
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at
least 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd
never ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I
carried on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo,
riding fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility. >>>
Some folks are much more limited.
Meanwhile Mr Tricycle is free to ride wherever he likes with whomsoever
he pleases. Or with no one.
Which would be fine if mr floriduh dumbass would acccept that others are
free to ride with groups under a structured course. He claims to, but we
know from his statements that he judges those who choose to do so. IOW,
fuck him.
I'm maybe less a misanthrope, but I quit 'group rides' 35 years ago and
don't miss them, or that sort of conversation, at all. Oh, and I am
never alone. This week I'm riding with Tacitus (I'm reading his
'Histories'), Hannah Arendt (just finished her Past and Future) and
others. With Billie Holiday in the background.
https://media.tenor.com/jYZmxGqvQKsAAAAC/old-man-yells-at-cloud-yelling.gif
On 4/19/2024 6:18 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:That's your value judgement on a matter of personal taste.
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's
directions have
them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most
limited riding regime, thinks there's no joy or value in
riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation
with at least 8 different people, and I was introduced to a
few roads I'd never ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At
the group ride's end, I carried on solo for another 16 miles
or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding
solo, riding fast or riding more slowly, riding for
recreation or for utility.
Some folks are much more limited.
Meanwhile Mr Tricycle is free to ride wherever he likes with
whomsoever he pleases. Or with no one.
I'm maybe less a misanthrope, but I quit 'group rides' 35
years ago and don't miss them, or that sort of conversation,
at all. Oh, and I am never alone. This week I'm riding
with Tacitus (I'm reading his 'Histories'), Hannah Arendt
(just finished her Past and Future) and others. With Billie
Holiday in the background.
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
Some folks are much more limited.
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
Some folks are much more limited.
variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment >chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding >around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with >someone I’d not ridden with much.
Do I ride on my own absolutely! I’m generally more technical than my riding >companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
Roger Merriman
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
Some folks are much more limited.
variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with someone I’d not ridden with much.
Do I ride on my own absolutely! I’m generally more technical than my riding companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
Roger Merriman
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:12:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
Some folks are much more limited.
variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment
chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding >> around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with
someone IÂ’d not ridden with much.
Do I ride on my own absolutely! IÂ’m generally more technical than my riding >> companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
Roger Merriman
While other people apparently enjoy small talk sessions, they tend to
annoy me because I don't want to come right out tell people that I
don't care how their brother-in-law broke his leg, so I have to sit
there and pretend that I do.
On 4/19/2024 9:33 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/19/2024 6:18 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:That's your value judgement on a matter of personal taste.
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at
least 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd
never ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I
carried on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo,
riding fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility. >>>
Some folks are much more limited.
Wait - what part is my value judgment? You certainly can't be
disagreeing with "some folks are much more limited"!
Meanwhile Mr Tricycle is free to ride wherever he likes with whomsoever
he pleases. Or with no one.
Of course he is. I made no commandments.
I'm maybe less a misanthrope, but I quit 'group rides' 35 years ago and
don't miss them, or that sort of conversation, at all.
And I agree, that's (apparently) fine for you. Some folks like group
rides, some don't. (For me, it depends on the group members.)
But at the same time, you don't denigrate those who do choose to
converse with others, or who choose to help others' riding in various
ways - by showing them nice routes they might never discover, by helping
them with mechanical problems, by giving riding tips to newbies, etc.
I'm also willing to bet that you occasionally give some minor greeting
to a stranger who greets you. At least, you don't brag about ignoring
people who say hello. And (gosh!) you've actually posted photos of you
riding with others! I certainly don't recall you insulting those who
ride with friends.
And about my "limited" comment: Everyone has limitations. I have several >friends with capability limitations, including one who restricts his
cycling almost entirely to paths, because of a combination of low power
and nervousness. But he'd never say his bicycling life is as good as
mine. He recognizes his limitations are detriments.
Similarly, what if we were to compare your mechanical skills with those
of some newbie mechanic who could install a water bottle cage, but
couldn't adjust a derailleur or install a crankset?
Sure, one can use work-arounds (take it to the bike shop; or haul your
bike to a nice safe path-to-nowhere). But lesser capabilities are
detriments. That's fact.
On 4/20/2024 8:09 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:12:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have >>>>> them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding >>>> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least >>>> 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried >>>> on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding >>>> fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
Some folks are much more limited.
variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment >>> chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding >>> around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with
someone I’d not ridden with much.
Do I ride on my own absolutely! I’m generally more technical than my riding >>> companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
Roger Merriman
While other people apparently enjoy small talk sessions, they tend to
annoy me because I don't want to come right out tell people that I
don't care how their brother-in-law broke his leg, so I have to sit
there and pretend that I do.
I'll note two points:
1) Yet here you are, discussing tons of issues that don't affect you.
2) There seems to be very little in life that doesn't annoy you.
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:12:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>Fine that’s well a choice, ie clubs aren’t for everyone and clubs differ
wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have >>>>> them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding >>>> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least >>>> 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried >>>> on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding >>>> fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
Some folks are much more limited.
variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment >>> chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding >>> around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with
someone I?d not ridden with much.
Do I ride on my own absolutely! I?m generally more technical than my riding >>> companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
Roger Merriman
While other people apparently enjoy small talk sessions, they tend to
annoy me because I don't want to come right out tell people that I
don't care how their brother-in-law broke his leg, so I have to sit
there and pretend that I do.
with their focus some have a more performance focus others more social and
so on, plus some club rides are essentially chain gangs, no chatting
likely! Compared to social/cafe types that will be very much so.
And anything in between.
It’s not even a binary choice.
Roger Merriman
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 15:41:01 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:12:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>Fine thatÂ’s well a choice, ie clubs arenÂ’t for everyone and clubs differ >> with their focus some have a more performance focus others more social and >> so on, plus some club rides are essentially chain gangs, no chatting
wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have >>>>>> them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding >>>>> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least >>>>> 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried >>>>> on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding >>>>> fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
Some folks are much more limited.
variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment >>>> chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding
around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with >>>> someone I?d not ridden with much.
Do I ride on my own absolutely! I?m generally more technical than my riding
companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
Roger Merriman
While other people apparently enjoy small talk sessions, they tend to
annoy me because I don't want to come right out tell people that I
don't care how their brother-in-law broke his leg, so I have to sit
there and pretend that I do.
likely! Compared to social/cafe types that will be very much so.
And anything in between.
ItÂ’s not even a binary choice.
Roger Merriman
Deeply introverted people like me don't really have a choice.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/introversion
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 15:41:01 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:12:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>Fine thatÂ’s well a choice, ie clubs arenÂ’t for everyone and clubs differ >>> with their focus some have a more performance focus others more social and >>> so on, plus some club rides are essentially chain gangs, no chatting
wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a >>>>> variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment >>>>> chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have >>>>>>> them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding >>>>>> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least >>>>>> 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried >>>>>> on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding >>>>>> fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
Some folks are much more limited.
around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with >>>>> someone I?d not ridden with much.
Do I ride on my own absolutely! I?m generally more technical than my riding
companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
Roger Merriman
While other people apparently enjoy small talk sessions, they tend to
annoy me because I don't want to come right out tell people that I
don't care how their brother-in-law broke his leg, so I have to sit
there and pretend that I do.
likely! Compared to social/cafe types that will be very much so.
And anything in between.
ItÂ’s not even a binary choice.
Roger Merriman
Deeply introverted people like me don't really have a choice.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/introversion
There is no one saying you must be in a club, which favours roadies anyway, are MTB and other clubs but it fits better with road cycling. Hence I’m a member of a road club.
And depends on the person as well, for some having the support of the club
ie someone to navigate or help with mechanicals etc.
Roger Merriman
On 4/20/2024 1:33 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 15:41:01 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:12:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>Fine that?s well a choice, ie clubs aren?t for everyone and clubs differ >>>> with their focus some have a more performance focus others more social and >>>> so on, plus some club rides are essentially chain gangs, no chatting
wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a >>>>>> variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another >>>>>>>>> just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have >>>>>>>> them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding >>>>>>> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least >>>>>>> 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never >>>>>>> ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried >>>>>>> on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding >>>>>>> fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility. >>>>>>>
Some folks are much more limited.
chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding
around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with >>>>>> someone I?d not ridden with much.
Do I ride on my own absolutely! I?m generally more technical than my riding
companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
Roger Merriman
While other people apparently enjoy small talk sessions, they tend to >>>>> annoy me because I don't want to come right out tell people that I
don't care how their brother-in-law broke his leg, so I have to sit
there and pretend that I do.
likely! Compared to social/cafe types that will be very much so.
And anything in between.
It?s not even a binary choice.
Roger Merriman
Deeply introverted people like me don't really have a choice.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/introversion
There is no one saying you must be in a club, which favours roadies anyway, >> are MTB and other clubs but it fits better with road cycling. Hence I’m a
member of a road club.
And depends on the person as well, for some having the support of the club >> ie someone to navigate or help with mechanicals etc.
Roger Merriman
floriduh dumbass continues to confuse sociopathy with introversion.
Lack of empathy is a characteristic of anti-social personality disorder,
not of introversion.
On 4/20/2024 7:12 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
Some folks are much more limited.
variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment
chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding >> around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with
someone I’d not ridden with much.
Do I ride on my own absolutely! I’m generally more technical than my riding
companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
Roger Merriman
The vast majority of my riding is solo, but that's just due to timing of group rides in my area. I'm generally not a fan of 'social' rides. I
prefer rides where the intent is to challenge each other. The team I
rode for in the 90's to early 2000's used to have a group ride midweek
in the evenings - a very spirited race-training ride with designated
sprint points along the way. At it's peak we would have 30 riders and
broke the group up into the hard core riders and people out for an
easier ride. There was certainly a lot of banter during the regrouping sections, but once the "action" started it was all business...Pacelines, attacks, even team tactics where we would form into squads to compete
against each other. Good times....:)
There are a couple of those types of rides in my area, but it doesn't
fit my work schedule to make it there without breaking numerous traffic
laws. The last mid-week road race ride in my area didn't reform after
Covid, but it was fun while it lasted.
https://www.strava.com/activities/2597327499
Don't let the average speed fool you, that includes easy pace to/from
the circuit.
More recently I've found a few MTB groups that like to push the
envelope, 'weekend warrior' rides.
https://www.strava.com/activities/7297696050
Rip up some single track, wait at the next fork, lather, rinse, repeat.
Some banter during the rests while deciding which trail to ride next,
but once rolling it's "shut up and ride".
Burgers and beer after.
On 4/19/2024 3:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:That discourages them and they simply don't return.
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 16:41:50 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
One of the things that I've been seeing is bike clubs are out riding again. They are making the same mistakes that clubs before them have made - not separating the group into speed ranges so that you're not blowing the slow guys off of the back.
They're probably better off without the group, anyway. Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
them following other people.
Yes, that's exactly right. Another very good reason I can't
stand The Planners.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
Some folks are much more limited.
--
- Frank Krygowski
On 4/19/2024 11:41 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:than the Campy Super Record 10 speed crankis I have. This is because the connecting shaft is much lighter with the 30 mm shaft vs the Campy 25 mm with a Hertz joint in the middle. The FSA is a four arm version. When it had the Campy 11 speed and the
The bikes I'm riding at the moment are:
1 Steel Basso Loto with 10 speed Dura Ace
2 Aluminum Specialized Allez with 10 speed Dura Ace
3 Very loight steel Tommasini Fire with Campy 1 speed
4 BMC SLO-01 with Campy 12 speed (this weighs about the samje as the Allez)
5. Though presently out of service the Trek Alpha 1.5 which is a Madone copy in aluminum The short time I used it yesterday the cheapo Look pedals were troublesome so I'll return to Keo Max. The FSA Gossomer (aluminum) EVO cranks are actually lighter
some room in the garage.The bikes I've been trying to sell are:
1. The Cannondale Optimo gravel bike. This is a very nice riding bike but I simply don't have a use for it anymore. It is a 9 speed Dura Ace and if parts weren't so hard to come by, I would use 9 speeds on everything.
2. Ridley Helium with Shimano DI2. My hands are no longer sensitive enough to tell the upshift lever from the downshift lever and I HATE shifting faster when I start a hill. For younger people with full faculties this would be a good climbing bike.
3. Steel normal size tubing Aliverti which looks almoar new. This is also a good riding bike and I did quite a bit of climbing on it. It has a new Campy Chorus 11 speed group with about 300 miles on it. I simply have to reduce my collection to make
s use the 11 even down hills. I caught a closeup of a fast downhill and none of the pro's seem to be in top gear. (the SRAM electric shifters use a 10 tooth rear and they all apppeared to be in the center of the cassette.) The problem is that the human4. If I can get the fork setting work on the Fondriest, I will sell it. I think that it has a Record 11 speed group but I have to get it to work first. I don't dump propblems on others.
5. The BMC SLO-01. This is a great riding bike but we're back to reducing inventory. The Chorus 12 speed works well but again, I don't like so much shifting. Thou it would be nice to have a 13-24 instead of that 11-34. I'm not even sure that the pro'
shifts like the Dura Ace - Three up and on at a time down. The Chorus and above make multiple shifts in both directions. Since you rarely need this, Big Whoop.I also have a bunch of parts up for sale on the local Craigslist but absolutely nothing is moving including a complete Campy Centaur group with aero wheels wirh good tires on them (take-offs from the Alpha) The weakness oif the Centaur is that it
discourages them and they simply don't return.The ONLY offer I've had for anything wass for the Cannondale and the guy never showed up and later emailed that he had bought a "cheap beginner bike".
One of the things that I've been seeing is bike clubs are out riding again. They are making the same mistakes that clubs before them have made - not separating the group into speed ranges so that you're not blowing the slow guys off of the back. That
But you would think that there would be a market for good bikes so why is nothing moving?
Spelling: hirth
https://memim.com/hirth-joint.html
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4/20/2024 7:12 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have >>>> them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding >>> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least >>> 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried >>> on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding >>> fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
Some folks are much more limited.
variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment >> chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding
around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with
someone I?d not ridden with much.
Do I ride on my own absolutely! I?m generally more technical than my riding
companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
Roger Merriman
The vast majority of my riding is solo, but that's just due to timing of group rides in my area. I'm generally not a fan of 'social' rides. I
prefer rides where the intent is to challenge each other. The team I
rode for in the 90's to early 2000's used to have a group ride midweek
in the evenings - a very spirited race-training ride with designated
sprint points along the way. At it's peak we would have 30 riders and
broke the group up into the hard core riders and people out for an
easier ride. There was certainly a lot of banter during the regrouping sections, but once the "action" started it was all business...Pacelines, attacks, even team tactics where we would form into squads to compete against each other. Good times....:)
There are a couple of those types of rides in my area, but it doesn't
fit my work schedule to make it there without breaking numerous traffic laws. The last mid-week road race ride in my area didn't reform after Covid, but it was fun while it lasted.
https://www.strava.com/activities/2597327499
Don't let the average speed fool you, that includes easy pace to/from
the circuit.
I?d be liability on such a ride, my ability to track where folks are is impaired due to brain injury, I do occasionally gate crash folks post ride refreshments at the pub, who do similar with a night gravel loop with or without company.
More recently I've found a few MTB groups that like to push the
envelope, 'weekend warrior' rides.
https://www.strava.com/activities/7297696050
Rip up some single track, wait at the next fork, lather, rinse, repeat. Some banter during the rests while deciding which trail to ride next,
but once rolling it's "shut up and ride".
Burgers and beer after.
Off road tends to favour smaller groups and that sort of stop start riding
ie push it on the technical bits, chat on the smooth or stop to regroup and so on.
Roger Merriman
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:39:36 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/20/2024 8:09 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:12:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have >>>>> them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding >>>> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least >>>> 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried >>>> on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding >>>> fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
Some folks are much more limited.
variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment >>> chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding
around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with >>> someone I?d not ridden with much.
Do I ride on my own absolutely! I?m generally more technical than my riding
companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
Roger Merriman
While other people apparently enjoy small talk sessions, they tend to
annoy me because I don't want to come right out tell people that I
don't care how their brother-in-law broke his leg, so I have to sit
there and pretend that I do.
I'll note two points:
1) Yet here you are, discussing tons of issues that don't affect you.
Indeed, sometimes I'm happy to discuss issues that don't affect me. I
never claimed otherwise.
2) There seems to be very little in life that doesn't annoy you.
It's pretty much only nasty people like you who insist that you're
qualified to tell others what to do who annoy me. Junior Carrington,
who insults me regularly doesn't even annoy me. He's kind of fun to
exchange insults with.
I really enjoy my bike rides and working on my bike. I love to write.
I like to cook and bake, I love being with my family and especially
watching my grandson play baseball, My wife is a constant source of
joy. There's been much joy in my life and I look forward to more.
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:12:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have >>>> them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding >>> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least >>> 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried >>> on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding >>> fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
Some folks are much more limited.
variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment >> chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding
around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with
someone I d not ridden with much.
Do I ride on my own absolutely! I m generally more technical than my riding
companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
Roger Merriman
While other people apparently enjoy small talk sessions, they tend to
annoy me because I don't want to come right out tell people that I
don't care how their brother-in-law broke his leg, so I have to sit
there and pretend that I do.
Fine that?s well a choice, ie clubs aren?t for everyone and clubs differ
with their focus some have a more performance focus others more social and
so on, plus some club rides are essentially chain gangs, no chatting
likely! Compared to social/cafe types that will be very much so.
And anything in between.
It?s not even a binary choice.
Roger Merriman
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 15:41:01 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:12:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>Fine that?s well a choice, ie clubs aren?t for everyone and clubs differ >with their focus some have a more performance focus others more social and >so on, plus some club rides are essentially chain gangs, no chatting >likely! Compared to social/cafe types that will be very much so.
wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have >>>>> them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding >>>> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least >>>> 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried >>>> on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding >>>> fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
Some folks are much more limited.
variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment >>> chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding
around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with >>> someone I?d not ridden with much.
Do I ride on my own absolutely! I?m generally more technical than my riding
companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
Roger Merriman
While other people apparently enjoy small talk sessions, they tend to
annoy me because I don't want to come right out tell people that I
don't care how their brother-in-law broke his leg, so I have to sit
there and pretend that I do.
And anything in between.
It?s not even a binary choice.
Roger Merriman
Deeply introverted people like me don't really have a choice.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/introversion
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 14:29:43 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4/20/2024 1:33 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 15:41:01 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:12:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> >>>>> wrote:Fine that?s well a choice, ie clubs aren?t for everyone and clubs differ >>>> with their focus some have a more performance focus others more social and
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a >>>>>> variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another >>>>>>>>> just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never >>>>>>> ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility. >>>>>>>
Some folks are much more limited.
chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding
around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with >>>>>> someone I?d not ridden with much.
Do I ride on my own absolutely! I?m generally more technical than my riding
companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
Roger Merriman
While other people apparently enjoy small talk sessions, they tend to >>>>> annoy me because I don't want to come right out tell people that I >>>>> don't care how their brother-in-law broke his leg, so I have to sit >>>>> there and pretend that I do.
so on, plus some club rides are essentially chain gangs, no chatting >>>> likely! Compared to social/cafe types that will be very much so.
And anything in between.
It?s not even a binary choice.
Roger Merriman
Deeply introverted people like me don't really have a choice.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/introversion
There is no one saying you must be in a club, which favours roadies anyway,
are MTB and other clubs but it fits better with road cycling. Hence I?m a >> member of a road club.
And depends on the person as well, for some having the support of the club >> ie someone to navigate or help with mechanicals etc.
Roger Merriman
floriduh dumbass continues to confuse sociopathy with introversion.
Lack of empathy is a characteristic of anti-social personality disorder, >not of introversion.
I am always empathetic to Junior's ignorance.
On 4/19/2024 6:18 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's
directions have
them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most
limited riding regime, thinks there's no joy or value in
riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation
with at least 8 different people, and I was introduced to a
few roads I'd never ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At
the group ride's end, I carried on solo for another 16 miles
or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding
solo, riding fast or riding more slowly, riding for
recreation or for utility.
Some folks are much more limited.
That's your value judgement on a matter of personal taste.
Meanwhile Mr Tricycle is free to ride wherever he likes with
whomsoever he pleases. Or with no one.
I'm maybe less a misanthrope, but I quit 'group rides' 35
years ago and don't miss them, or that sort of conversation,
at all. Oh, and I am never alone. This week I'm riding
with Tacitus (I'm reading his 'Histories'), Hannah Arendt
(just finished her Past and Future) and others. With Billie
Holiday in the background.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
On Sat Apr 20 15:41:01 2024 Roger Merriman wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:12:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>Fine that?s well a choice, ie clubs aren?t for everyone and clubs differ
wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have >>>>>> them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding >>>>> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least >>>>> 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried >>>>> on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding >>>>> fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
Some folks are much more limited.
variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment >>>> chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding
around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with >>>> someone Id not ridden with much.
Do I ride on my own absolutely! Im generally more technical than my riding >>>> companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
Roger Merriman
While other people apparently enjoy small talk sessions, they tend to
annoy me because I don't want to come right out tell people that I
don't care how their brother-in-law broke his leg, so I have to sit
there and pretend that I do.
with their focus some have a more performance focus others more social and >> so on, plus some club rides are essentially chain gangs, no chatting
likely! Compared to social/cafe types that will be very much so.
And anything in between.
It?s not even a binary choice.
Roger Merriman
I'm not sure what's going on with the scarier stuff. About the only thing that made me nervous was the nearly straight down stuff with heavy rain ruts in it.
On Sat Apr 20 14:38:56 2024 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 14:29:43 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4/20/2024 1:33 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 15:41:01 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:12:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> >>>>>>> wrote:Fine that?s well a choice, ie clubs aren?t for everyone and clubs differ >>>>>> with their focus some have a more performance focus others more social and
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a >>>>>>>> variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions? >>>>>>>>>>>
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another >>>>>>>>>>> just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others. >>>>>>>>>
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never >>>>>>>>> ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility. >>>>>>>>>
Some folks are much more limited.
chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding
around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with >>>>>>>> someone I?d not ridden with much.
Do I ride on my own absolutely! I?m generally more technical than my riding
companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
Roger Merriman
While other people apparently enjoy small talk sessions, they tend to >>>>>>> annoy me because I don't want to come right out tell people that I >>>>>>> don't care how their brother-in-law broke his leg, so I have to sit >>>>>>> there and pretend that I do.
so on, plus some club rides are essentially chain gangs, no chatting >>>>>> likely! Compared to social/cafe types that will be very much so.
And anything in between.
It?s not even a binary choice.
Roger Merriman
Deeply introverted people like me don't really have a choice.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/introversion
There is no one saying you must be in a club, which favours roadies anyway,
are MTB and other clubs but it fits better with road cycling. Hence I?m a >>>> member of a road club.
And depends on the person as well, for some having the support of the club >>>> ie someone to navigate or help with mechanicals etc.
Roger Merriman
floriduh dumbass continues to confuse sociopathy with introversion.
Lack of empathy is a characteristic of anti-social personality disorder, >>> not of introversion.
I am always empathetic to Junior's ignorance.
Anyone that is so fearful that his name might be recognized and his BS exposed tends to act that way.
And because of riding friends, I've
seen sights, explored roads and had good experiences that I'd have
missed on my own.
On Sat Apr 20 12:57:51 2024 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 15:41:01 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:12:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>Fine that?s well a choice, ie clubs aren?t for everyone and clubs differ
wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >> >>>>>
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have >> >>>>> them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding >> >>>> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least >> >>>> 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried >> >>>> on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding >> >>>> fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
Some folks are much more limited.
variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment
chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding
around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with >> >>> someone I?d not ridden with much.
Do I ride on my own absolutely! I?m generally more technical than my riding
companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
Roger Merriman
While other people apparently enjoy small talk sessions, they tend to
annoy me because I don't want to come right out tell people that I
don't care how their brother-in-law broke his leg, so I have to sit
there and pretend that I do.
with their focus some have a more performance focus others more social and >> >so on, plus some club rides are essentially chain gangs, no chatting
likely! Compared to social/cafe types that will be very much so.
And anything in between.
It?s not even a binary choice.
Roger Merriman
Deeply introverted people like me don't really have a choice.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/introversion
You have to remember that riding a carrrike is not like riding a 2 wheeler. It is nice to have someone there if you catch a wheel in a crack and get thrown down the road at 30 mph
On Sat Apr 20 12:49:54 2024 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:39:36 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/20/2024 8:09 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:12:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >> >>>>>
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have >> >>>>> them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding >> >>>> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least >> >>>> 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried >> >>>> on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding >> >>>> fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
Some folks are much more limited.
variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment
chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding
around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with >> >>> someone I?d not ridden with much.
Do I ride on my own absolutely! I?m generally more technical than my riding
companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
Roger Merriman
While other people apparently enjoy small talk sessions, they tend to
annoy me because I don't want to come right out tell people that I
don't care how their brother-in-law broke his leg, so I have to sit
there and pretend that I do.
I'll note two points:
1) Yet here you are, discussing tons of issues that don't affect you.
Indeed, sometimes I'm happy to discuss issues that don't affect me. I
never claimed otherwise.
2) There seems to be very little in life that doesn't annoy you.
It's pretty much only nasty people like you who insist that you're
qualified to tell others what to do who annoy me. Junior Carrington,
who insults me regularly doesn't even annoy me. He's kind of fun to
exchange insults with.
I really enjoy my bike rides and working on my bike. I love to write.
I like to cook and bake, I love being with my family and especially
watching my grandson play baseball, My wife is a constant source of
joy. There's been much joy in my life and I look forward to more.
Well, I'm trying to be done with the insults. Liebermann and Flunky only get tit for tat. But Frank is just annoyed at your attitude and I think that I'm somewhat to blame for that. Try and relax and remember how long it has taken me to ease off of thememory losses.
On Sat Apr 20 14:38:56 2024 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 14:29:43 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4/20/2024 1:33 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 15:41:01 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:12:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>Fine that?s well a choice, ie clubs aren?t for everyone and clubs differ
wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a >> >>>>>> variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
Some folks are much more limited.
chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding
around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with
someone I?d not ridden with much.
Do I ride on my own absolutely! I?m generally more technical than my riding
companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.
Roger Merriman
While other people apparently enjoy small talk sessions, they tend to >> >>>>> annoy me because I don't want to come right out tell people that I
don't care how their brother-in-law broke his leg, so I have to sit
there and pretend that I do.
with their focus some have a more performance focus others more social and
so on, plus some club rides are essentially chain gangs, no chatting
likely! Compared to social/cafe types that will be very much so.
And anything in between.
It?s not even a binary choice.
Roger Merriman
Deeply introverted people like me don't really have a choice.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/introversion
There is no one saying you must be in a club, which favours roadies anyway,
are MTB and other clubs but it fits better with road cycling. Hence I?m a >> >> member of a road club.
And depends on the person as well, for some having the support of the club
ie someone to navigate or help with mechanicals etc.
Roger Merriman
floriduh dumbass continues to confuse sociopathy with introversion.
Lack of empathy is a characteristic of anti-social personality disorder,
not of introversion.
I am always empathetic to Junior's ignorance.
Anyone that is so fearful that his name might be recognized and his BS exposed tends to act that way.
On 4/20/2024 11:40 AM, zen cycle wrote:
The vast majority of my riding is solo, but that's just due to timing of
group rides in my area. I'm generally not a fan of 'social' rides.
The vast majority of my riding has always been solo, or with my wife on
our tandem. Before the kids moved out, a lot of it was with our kids.
But I have enjoyed many, many social rides, with anywhere from one to
more than a dozen friends. Over the years, most of my best friends met
me through bicycling.
I've enjoyed countless hours of really excellent
conversation on "social" bike rides.
And because of riding friends, I've
seen sights, explored roads and
had good experiences that I'd have
missed on my own.
None of this happens to a person too terrified of others or too
misanthropic to socialize.
On 4/21/2024 5:20 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 21:33:46 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Over the years, most of my best friends met
me through bicycling.
Probably because bicycling is the only thing you do.
HAHAHAHAHA! :-)
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
Some folks are much more limited.
--
- Frank Krygowski
On 4/20/2024 11:40 AM, zen cycle wrote:
The vast majority of my riding is solo, but that's just due to timing of group rides in my area. I'm generally not a fan of 'social' rides.
The vast majority of my riding has always been solo, or with my wife on
our tandem. Before the kids moved out, a lot of it was with our kids.
But I have enjoyed many, many social rides, with anywhere from one to
more than a dozen friends. Over the years, most of my best friends met
me through bicycling. I've enjoyed countless hours of really excellent conversation on "social" bike rides. And because of riding friends, I've
seen sights, explored roads and had good experiences that I'd have
missed on my own.
None of this happens to a person too terrified of others or too
misanthropic to socialize.
--
- Frank Krygowski
On Fri Apr 19 19:18:35 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?
As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.
Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
them following other people.
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
Some folks are much more limited.
--
- Frank Krygowski
Frank, there's no reason for you to be worrying about who is grumpy and who isn't. They might very well have complex reasons to being so.
On 4/22/2024 12:44 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Fri Apr 19 19:18:35 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.
On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.
I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.
Some folks are much more limited.
Frank, there's no reason for you to be worrying about who is grumpy and who isn't. They might very well have complex reasons to being so.
Oh, I don't doubt there are many reasons our tricycle rider is so >consistently grumpy! It would probably be a sad psychological study.
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