On 4/11/2024 5:57 PM, AMuzi wrote:
"Whatever you like sucks. The bike I ride is best"
https://bikerumor.com/op-ed-bike-industry-toxic-racing-culture/
I found that needlessly divisive. YMMV.
I didn't see it as divisive. It's main point seems to be that we should accept various styles of bicycling, and that not everyone wants to be a racer. Other details are that non-racers should be able to have
equipment that functions well and clothing that's comfortable for
riding. That's fine with me.
I may quibble about the "functions well" point, in that ISTM the
expectations or standards have gotten extreme in recent decades. I mean, reviews now seem to discuss shifting action the way guitar aficionados describe the feel of guitar necks, action and strings. But we're not
playing Bach; we're just shifting gears. How good does it have to be? I
like the engineering maxim "Good enough is perfect." I don't think top
tier components have really been necessary for most users.
But for decades I've said I prefer bikes that are versatile, that can
carry loads when desired, that can be tuned and fixed by their owners,
that accept wider tires and fenders, etc. Oh, and that most of the "go
fast improvements" make no detectable difference. I think he's agreeing
with me.
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On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 12:18:13 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 09:49:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/11/2024 5:57 PM, AMuzi wrote:Ish most brands road bikes are split into race and endurance bikes very few
"Whatever you like sucks. The bike I ride is best"
https://bikerumor.com/op-ed-bike-industry-toxic-racing-culture/
I found that needlessly divisive. YMMV.
I didn't see it as divisive. It's main point seems to be that we should >>>> accept various styles of bicycling, and that not everyone wants to be a >>>> racer. Other details are that non-racers should be able to have
equipment that functions well and clothing that's comfortable for
riding. That's fine with me.
people should be riding race bikes arguably. But it?s often not that clear.
It?s certainly true that performance clothing at least for roadies is
intended for a type of body ie someone slim, a look around a bike club says
that?s not the body type of all even performance minded folks.
What's difference between "performance" clothes and non-performance
clothes? The only specific bicycling items I've ever worn are SPD
shoes.
Materials and fit, ie Lycra or similar that has some stretch and copes with >sweat, I like the ?technical? t shirts over traditional tops, a normal >cotton t shirt would get very soggy and remain so, and probably expose my >back.
I never wear cotton when I ride, and yet I never wear bicyle jerseys
or bottoms, either.
And with MTB/gravel riding do get wear from well grit and wet, and will >chew though non cycling shorts quite quickly, I?d assume recumbents and >road would change some of this.
I can get the same fit and material at venders not associated with
bicycling. I don't like advertising manufacturers, so I reject any
products that do that. I really like my Catrike but I've removed the
Catrike stickers.
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 17:43:47 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 14:34:56 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 12:18:13 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 09:49:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> >>>>>> wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/11/2024 5:57 PM, AMuzi wrote:Ish most brands road bikes are split into race and endurance bikes very few
"Whatever you like sucks. The bike I ride is best"
https://bikerumor.com/op-ed-bike-industry-toxic-racing-culture/ >>>>>>>>>
I found that needlessly divisive. YMMV.
I didn't see it as divisive. It's main point seems to be that we should
accept various styles of bicycling, and that not everyone wants to be a
racer. Other details are that non-racers should be able to have >>>>>>>> equipment that functions well and clothing that's comfortable for >>>>>>>> riding. That's fine with me.
people should be riding race bikes arguably. But it?s often not that clear.
It?s certainly true that performance clothing at least for roadies is >>>>>>> intended for a type of body ie someone slim, a look around a bike club says
that?s not the body type of all even performance minded folks.
What's difference between "performance" clothes and non-performance >>>>>> clothes? The only specific bicycling items I've ever worn are SPD >>>>>> shoes.
Materials and fit, ie Lycra or similar that has some stretch and copes with
sweat, I like the ?technical? t shirts over traditional tops, a normal >>>>> cotton t shirt would get very soggy and remain so, and probably expose my
back.
I never wear cotton when I ride, and yet I never wear bicyle jerseys >>>> or bottoms, either.
And with MTB/gravel riding do get wear from well grit and wet, and will >>>>> chew though non cycling shorts quite quickly, I?d assume recumbents and >>>>> road would change some of this.
I can get the same fit and material at venders not associated with
bicycling. I don't like advertising manufacturers, so I reject any
products that do that. I really like my Catrike but I've removed the >>>> Catrike stickers.
For a recumbent that?s a less stretched position, ie will not need a
cyclist cut, nor do you need to have logos plastered all over, that?s more
of a older roadie thing ie folks who where cycling in the 80/90?s in
general it?s fairly muted.
I rode two wheelers for longer than I've ridden a recumbent.
MTB baggies are less restrictive than walking shorts, and have reinforced >>> areas, again riding on tarmac and with a recumbent that?s not needed.
The only differences I see are that MTB baggies have butt pads, that
and they cost a lot more.
Most folks will use padded Lycra shorts or tights under the Baggies which >will be more flexible and have reinforced areas and made with robust and >fast drying materials.
I bought a pair of padded pants a long time ago when I was riding my
old Giant. They didn't help.
On 4/12/2024 2:56 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Padding in cycling shorts mostly helps by not having a central seam (although some models are quite thick with padding). They will not cover for riding position problems or medical anomalies but are generally more comfortable than seamed shorts to most riders.
I've long suspected that the thick liner in cycling shorts isn't so much
to add cushioning. If that were true, an extra 1/8" padding on the
saddle would work as well.
I think a big part of its function is to prevent the fabric from
wrinkling under one's pressure points. That would have you sitting on
the relatively hard folded edges of the wrinkles.
I think the tight stretch of lycra has the same function: Keeping the
fabric flat where it matters.
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On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 11:25:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/18/2024 12:31 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 22:13:17 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I've donated to this charity:
https://worldbicyclerelief.org/
Supposedly they designed their own bike specifically to be super rugged, >>> to fit a large range of body styles and to be easy to maintain.
That's the Buffalo bicycle:
<https://worldbicyclerelief.org/product-development/>
<https://worldbicyclerelief.org/the-bike/>
"The Buffalo Bicycle is engineered for heavy loads, long distances,
and rugged terrain, using high-quality parts and materials designed
specifically to meet our riders? needs."
All steel. Weight is 50 lbs (22.7 kg). 26x1.75 wheels.
Notice the plunging top tube. That's for young (and short) riders.
Coaster brake but no front brake. Not a good idea for a heavy and
potentially overloaded "cargo" bike.
The article in _Bicycling Australia_ claimed it now comes with a front >brake.
Thanks. I missed that part. However, the reason they added the front
brake was not because it was difficult to stop when overloaded. It
was because when used as a cargo bike, it is often walked instead of
ridden. Using a front hand brake while walking the bicycle is easier
than using a coaster brake: <https://bicyclingaustralia.com.au/bikes/ridden-reviewed-world-bicycle-reliefs-buffalo-bike/>
"The model I tested also included a front brake operated by a lever on
the handlebars. WBR explained that this is a recent addition to the
bike which has been included after feedback from riders. As mentioned earlier, many Buffalo bike owners use the bike to carry cargo and push
it rather than ride, and a hand-operated brake ensures they can slow
down a little easier."
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/oddities/bricks.jpg> Notice the flat rear tire.
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On 4/11/2024 5:57 PM, AMuzi wrote:
"Whatever you like sucks. The bike I ride is best"
https://bikerumor.com/op-ed-bike-industry-toxic-racing-culture/
I found that needlessly divisive. YMMV.
ISTM Mr. Frazelle is looking to create controversy where there is none...really.
My first clue was when he wrote "the majority of cycling-specific
apparel that?s available is lycra and cut to fit the athlete?s body,"
The majority of cycling clothing is fit to what is known as a 'club
cut'. This clothing is designed to be larger in the midsection,
specifically allowing for 'regular size'. There are very few cycling
clothing manufacturers that sell what is known as the 'race cut' by
default. The issue here is that Mr. Frazelle is the stereotypical
American. From his pics I can surmise that even when he was fit he was a husky gentleman, these days he's probably carrying more weight than he should. BTW - I see plenty of and baggy clothes on the trails by me,
worn by hipster types as a protest to the lycra dogma, and many of these
guys can drop me on a technical trail like a stone.
I think it's unfortunate that he claims _every_ time he rides he
witnesses snobbery. That isn't my experience, and when I've been with
riders who treat non-competitive cyclists like that, I don't ride with
them any longer. At least in my area, recreational cyclists aren't
treated any differently. In fact, I've seen more disdain towards _my_
ilk than the casual rider out for enjoyment, especially when they have
kids in tow.
I don't know where Mr. Frazelle lives, but ISTM he's riding in the wrong places.
On 4/17/2024 10:02 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/12/2024 10:54 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
I think it's unfortunate that he claims _every_ time he rides he
witnesses snobbery. That isn't my experience, and when I've been with
riders who treat non-competitive cyclists like that, I don't ride with
them any longer. At least in my area, recreational cyclists aren't
treated any differently.
I agree, I haven't seen snobbery at that level. But ISTM that when
cyclists go by in the opposite direction, young racer types (slim, aero sunglasses, riding hard on the drops) are somewhat less likely to
respond to a greeting or a nod compared to more casual riders, even if
the latter are in cycling clothes. Maybe the racer types are just too intent on their time.
But similarly, I've long noticed that when walking around the area,
middle aged or older folks will readily say hi to us. Teens can somehow pass by on the same sidewalk and not notice us. I think it's a parallel universe thing.
A number of years ago I was riding my 26" hardtail in my favorite local trails, and came upon a group of 4 on one of the moderate trails, one of which had a CX bike. The others had 29rs. I know most of the local
riders, I had never seen these guys before. I thought I was being
friendly when I said 'wow, I don't know if I'd ride a cross bike on
these trails'.
He shot me an arrogant glance and scoffed 'there's nothing out here I
can't handle on a cross bike'. Very clearly he wasn't impressed with my
what was at that time a ten-year-old 26" mtb.
I said "yeah? follow me".
I took them on this trail:
https://www.strava.com/segments/29664440
Which averages about -20% rocky rooty windy single track for 100 yards
or so at the end. He was doing ok on the technical stuff leading up to
it, though he was definitely struggling given his CX gearing. At the
bottom, only one of them was with me. The other three including mr
badass CX hadn't made it down after about a minute. The guy with me said "they're probably not gonna ride that".
On 4/12/2024 10:54 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
I think it's unfortunate that he claims _every_ time he rides he
witnesses snobbery. That isn't my experience, and when I've been with riders who treat non-competitive cyclists like that, I don't ride with
them any longer. At least in my area, recreational cyclists aren't treated any differently.
I agree, I haven't seen snobbery at that level. But ISTM that when
cyclists go by in the opposite direction, young racer types (slim, aero sunglasses, riding hard on the drops) are somewhat less likely to
respond to a greeting or a nod compared to more casual riders, even if
the latter are in cycling clothes. Maybe the racer types are just too
intent on their time.
But similarly, I've long noticed that when walking around the area,
middle aged or older folks will readily say hi to us. Teens can somehow
pass by on the same sidewalk and not notice us. I think it's a parallel universe thing.
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On 4/19/2024 7:20 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/19/2024 12:46 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thu Apr 18 09:43:11 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 11:25:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/18/2024 12:31 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 22:13:17 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I've donated to this charity:
https://worldbicyclerelief.org/
Supposedly they designed their own bike specifically to be super >>>>>> rugged,
to fit a large range of body styles and to be easy to maintain.
That's the Buffalo bicycle:
<https://worldbicyclerelief.org/product-development/>
<https://worldbicyclerelief.org/the-bike/>
"The Buffalo Bicycle is engineered for heavy loads, long distances, >>>>> and rugged terrain, using high-quality parts and materials designed >>>>> specifically to meet our riders? needs."
All steel. Weight is 50 lbs (22.7 kg). 26x1.75 wheels.
Notice the plunging top tube. That's for young (and short) riders. >>>>> Coaster brake but no front brake. Not a good idea for a heavy and >>>>> potentially overloaded "cargo" bike.
The article in _Bicycling Australia_ claimed it now comes with a front >>>> brake.
Thanks. I missed that part. However, the reason they added the front
brake was not because it was difficult to stop when overloaded. It
was because when used as a cargo bike, it is often walked instead of
ridden. Using a front hand brake while walking the bicycle is easier >>> than using a coaster brake:
<https://bicyclingaustralia.com.au/bikes/ridden-reviewed-world-bicycle-reliefs-buffalo-bike/>
"The model I tested also included a front brake operated by a lever on >>> the handlebars. WBR explained that this is a recent addition to the
bike which has been included after feedback from riders. As mentioned
earlier, many Buffalo bike owners use the bike to carry cargo and push >>> it rather than ride, and a hand-operated brake ensures they can slow
down a little easier."
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/oddities/bricks.jpg>
Notice the flat rear tire.
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Why are you talking about bicycles? Shouldn't you be telling us how
all of the recent medical studies showing large increases in cancer
from the mRNA vaccines...
Well, it IS supposed to be a bicycle discussion group. I'm sure there
are mRNA discussion groups. Won't they let you post there?
He's been banned from every other moderated group
On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:18:18 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I had those huge tricepts that sprinters have.
The triceps are in the arms, not the legs. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triceps>
I suppose I got them from climbing hills in large gears.
More likely you got them from climbing trees and swinging between
branches.
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On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 23:17:37 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Tue Apr 23 11:23:59 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:18:18 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I had those huge tricepts that sprinters have.
The triceps are in the arms, not the legs.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triceps>
I suppose I got them from climbing hills in large gears.
More likely you got them from climbing trees and swinging between
branches.
[Insult deleted]. That's your entire life. I meant the Vastus Medialis Muscle . If you had any real interest in cycling you'd know that Sprinters grow very lar5ge Vastus Medialis muscles.
The vastus medialis muscle is one of the four muscles of the
quadriceps group. It's unlikely that only one muscle of the group
would "grow very large".
I cannot remember sprinting so climbing in large gears bur also be valuable.
Could I trouble you to decode that into something intelligible? Try
to relax as you seem to make more typo errors when agitated. Also, do
you consider the use of a spelling checker to be a leftist conspiracy?
If your vastus medialis muscles show signs of excessive enlargement,
you are likely grinding your way up the hills instead of spinning. At
your advanced age, the muscles tend to atrophy, lose muscle tone and
become flabby. While it is possible to maintain muscle tone,
continued physical activity by itself is not a guarantee of continued athletic function and performance.
"The aging of elite male athletes: age-related changes in performance
and skeletal muscle structure and function" <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3928819/>
"Life long physical activity does not appear to have any impact on the
loss in fiber number. The loss of fibers can be buffered to some
degree by hypertrophy of fibers that remain. Surprisingly, the
performance of elite athletes in all sports appears to be impaired
before the onset of the fiber loss. Even with major losses in physical capacity and muscle mass, the performance of elite and masters
athletes is remarkable."
I think I now see why you abruptly closed your Strava account and
deleted your data. You couldn't maintain the required regimen and
didn't want anyone to notice the associated performance deterioration.
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On 4/21/2024 9:12 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/21/2024 4:19 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Fri Apr 19 19:20:03 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/19/2024 12:46 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
Why are you talking about bicycles? Shouldn't you be
telling us how all of the recent medical studies showing
large increases in cancer from the mRNA vaccines...
Well, it IS supposed to be a bicycle discussion group.
I'm sure there
are mRNA discussion groups. Won't they let you post there?
Frank, bicycling is an excercise and mRNA vaccines can
KILL you if you accept those vaccines.
Right, on Friday's club ride, they called for a county
snowplow to scrape rider corpses off the road so they could
ride. If only those people had listened to Tom Kunich
instead of their physicians with those silly medical degrees!
Won't they let you post on the forums where actual
physicians post? Is that why you spew medical nonsense here?
I'm not sure this is the best forum to discuss a complex
phenomenon but there's a grain of truth in it:
https://www.livescience.com/health/coronavirus/rare-clotting-effect-of-early-covid-shots-finally-explained-what-could-that-mean-for-future-vaccines
albeit overstated.
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On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 20:30:34 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
When you told us that you worked for HP I saw right through you. NO ONE "worked for" HP. That company is so high class the NO ONE leaves it. The ONLY way that you could have "worked for" HP is if they fired you.
[Insults deleted]
Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak both quit HP in order to start Apple.
More generally, much of the Silicon Valley was built by startups who's founders came from HP.
List of companies that were founded by former HP employees:
"HP Alumni Founded Companies" <https://www.crunchbase.com/hub/hp-alumni-founded-companies>
I don't know where you obtained your illusions about HP, but things
are nothing near your claim that HP is a employee paradise. For
example:
"HP Sues Employees for Leaving" <https://blogs.cisco.com/news/hp-sues-employees-for-leaving>
"It?s a sad day when great companies think they need to sue their own employees over and over again to stop them from bettering themselves
in their chosen profession."
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On 4/22/2024 8:42 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/21/2024 9:12 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/21/2024 4:19 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Fri Apr 19 19:20:03 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/19/2024 12:46 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
Why are you talking about bicycles? Shouldn't you be telling us how >>>>> all of the recent medical studies showing large increases in cancer >>>>> from the mRNA vaccines...
Well, it IS supposed to be a bicycle discussion group. I'm sure there >>>> are mRNA discussion groups. Won't they let you post there?
Frank, bicycling is an excercise and mRNA vaccines can KILL you if
you accept those vaccines.
Right, on Friday's club ride, they called for a county snowplow to
scrape rider corpses off the road so they could ride. If only those
people had listened to Tom Kunich instead of their physicians with
those silly medical degrees!
Won't they let you post on the forums where actual physicians post? Is
that why you spew medical nonsense here?
I'm not sure this is the best forum to discuss a complex phenomenon but there's a grain of truth in it:
https://www.livescience.com/health/coronavirus/rare-clotting-effect-of-early-covid-shots-finally-explained-what-could-that-mean-for-future-vaccines
albeit overstated.
There's no grain of truth to tommy's fear mongering. Tommy thinks
everyone who get the vaccine will die from the vaccine. IMO the article
isn't overstaing the issue.
The takeaways from the article are:
"The vaccine-related clotting disorder, known as vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia (VITT), was rare and linked to two shots:
the Johnson & Johnson (J&J) and AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccines."
"Neither vaccine is currently administered in the U.S. (AstraZeneca's
shot was never used in the country, and J&J's vaccine was authorized but
then retired due to the clotting issue and availability of better
vaccines.)"
"Researchers reported that about 1 in 50,000 people under 50 who
received the vaccine were affected [with VITT], as well as about 1 in
100,000 of those 50 and older."
A rare side affect from two vaccines no longer used, one of which was
never used in the US.
So addressing the demographic in this forum, _if_ you got the J&J
vaccine you stood a .001% chance of developing a rare blood clot disorder.
If you developed that rare blood clotting disorder, you had about a 50% chance of permanent severe disability or death.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41541-022-00491-z
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