"Whatever you like sucks. The bike I ride is best"
https://bikerumor.com/op-ed-bike-industry-toxic-racing-culture/
I found that needlessly divisive. YMMV.
On 4/11/2024 5:57 PM, AMuzi wrote:
"Whatever you like sucks. The bike I ride is best"
https://bikerumor.com/op-ed-bike-industry-toxic-racing-culture/
I found that needlessly divisive. YMMV.
I didn't see it as divisive. It's main point seems to be that we should accept various styles of bicycling, and that not everyone wants to be a racer. Other details are that non-racers should be able to have
equipment that functions well and clothing that's comfortable for
riding. That's fine with me.
I may quibble about the "functions well" point, in that ISTM the
expectations or standards have gotten extreme in recent decades. I mean, reviews now seem to discuss shifting action the way guitar aficionados describe the feel of guitar necks, action and strings. But we're not
playing Bach; we're just shifting gears. How good does it have to be? I
like the engineering maxim "Good enough is perfect." I don't think top
tier components have really been necessary for most users.
But for decades I've said I prefer bikes that are versatile, that can
carry loads when desired, that can be tuned and fixed by their owners,
that accept wider tires and fenders, etc. Oh, and that most of the "go
fast improvements" make no detectable difference. I think he's agreeing
with me.
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/11/2024 5:57 PM, AMuzi wrote:Ish most brands road bikes are split into race and endurance bikes very few >people should be riding race bikes arguably. But its often not that clear.
"Whatever you like sucks. The bike I ride is best"
https://bikerumor.com/op-ed-bike-industry-toxic-racing-culture/
I found that needlessly divisive. YMMV.
I didn't see it as divisive. It's main point seems to be that we should
accept various styles of bicycling, and that not everyone wants to be a
racer. Other details are that non-racers should be able to have
equipment that functions well and clothing that's comfortable for
riding. That's fine with me.
Its certainly true that performance clothing at least for roadies is >intended for a type of body ie someone slim, a look around a bike club says >thats not the body type of all even performance minded folks.
Roger Merriman
On 4/11/2024 5:57 PM, AMuzi wrote:
"Whatever you like sucks. The bike I ride is best"
https://bikerumor.com/op-ed-bike-industry-toxic-racing-culture/
I found that needlessly divisive. YMMV.
I didn't see it as divisive. It's main point seems to be that we should >accept various styles of bicycling,
and that not everyone wants to be a
racer.
Other details are that non-racers should be able to have
equipment that functions well
and clothing that's comfortable for
riding.
That's fine with me.
I may quibble about the "functions well" point, in that ISTM the
expectations or standards have gotten extreme in recent decades. I mean, >reviews now seem to discuss shifting action the way guitar aficionados >describe the feel of guitar necks, action and strings. But we're not
playing Bach; we're just shifting gears.
How good does it have to be?
I
like the engineering maxim "Good enough is perfect." I don't think top
tier components have really been necessary for most users.
But for decades I've said I prefer bikes that are versatile, that can
carry loads when desired, that can be tuned and fixed by their owners,
that accept wider tires and fenders, etc. Oh, and that most of the "go
fast improvements" make no detectable difference.
I think he's agreeing
with me.
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 09:49:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/11/2024 5:57 PM, AMuzi wrote:Ish most brands road bikes are split into race and endurance bikes very few >>> people should be riding race bikes arguably. But it?s often not that clear. >>>
"Whatever you like sucks. The bike I ride is best"
https://bikerumor.com/op-ed-bike-industry-toxic-racing-culture/
I found that needlessly divisive. YMMV.
I didn't see it as divisive. It's main point seems to be that we should >>>> accept various styles of bicycling, and that not everyone wants to be a >>>> racer. Other details are that non-racers should be able to have
equipment that functions well and clothing that's comfortable for
riding. That's fine with me.
It?s certainly true that performance clothing at least for roadies is
intended for a type of body ie someone slim, a look around a bike club says >>> that?s not the body type of all even performance minded folks.
What's difference between "performance" clothes and non-performance
clothes? The only specific bicycling items I've ever worn are SPD
shoes.
Materials and fit, ie Lycra or similar that has some stretch and copes with >sweat, I like the technical t shirts over traditional tops, a normal
cotton t shirt would get very soggy and remain so, and probably expose my >back.
And with MTB/gravel riding do get wear from well grit and wet, and will
chew though non cycling shorts quite quickly, Id assume recumbents and
road would change some of this.
<SNIP>Roger Merriman
Roger Merriman
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 09:49:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/11/2024 5:57 PM, AMuzi wrote:Ish most brands road bikes are split into race and endurance bikes very few >> people should be riding race bikes arguably. But its often not that clear. >>
"Whatever you like sucks. The bike I ride is best"
https://bikerumor.com/op-ed-bike-industry-toxic-racing-culture/
I found that needlessly divisive. YMMV.
I didn't see it as divisive. It's main point seems to be that we should
accept various styles of bicycling, and that not everyone wants to be a
racer. Other details are that non-racers should be able to have
equipment that functions well and clothing that's comfortable for
riding. That's fine with me.
Its certainly true that performance clothing at least for roadies is
intended for a type of body ie someone slim, a look around a bike club says >> thats not the body type of all even performance minded folks.
What's difference between "performance" clothes and non-performance
clothes? The only specific bicycling items I've ever worn are SPD
shoes.
<SNIP>
Roger Merriman
"Whatever you like sucks. The bike I ride is best"
https://bikerumor.com/op-ed-bike-industry-toxic-racing-culture/
I found that needlessly divisive. YMMV.
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 12:18:13 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 09:49:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/11/2024 5:57 PM, AMuzi wrote:Ish most brands road bikes are split into race and endurance bikes very few
"Whatever you like sucks. The bike I ride is best"
https://bikerumor.com/op-ed-bike-industry-toxic-racing-culture/
I found that needlessly divisive. YMMV.
I didn't see it as divisive. It's main point seems to be that we should >>>>> accept various styles of bicycling, and that not everyone wants to be a >>>>> racer. Other details are that non-racers should be able to have
equipment that functions well and clothing that's comfortable for
riding. That's fine with me.
people should be riding race bikes arguably. But it?s often not that clear.
It?s certainly true that performance clothing at least for roadies is
intended for a type of body ie someone slim, a look around a bike club says
that?s not the body type of all even performance minded folks.
What's difference between "performance" clothes and non-performance
clothes? The only specific bicycling items I've ever worn are SPD
shoes.
Materials and fit, ie Lycra or similar that has some stretch and copes with >> sweat, I like the technical t shirts over traditional tops, a normal
cotton t shirt would get very soggy and remain so, and probably expose my
back.
I never wear cotton when I ride, and yet I never wear bicyle jerseys
or bottoms, either.
And with MTB/gravel riding do get wear from well grit and wet, and will
chew though non cycling shorts quite quickly, Id assume recumbents and
road would change some of this.
I can get the same fit and material at venders not associated with
bicycling. I don't like advertising manufacturers, so I reject any
products that do that. I really like my Catrike but I've removed the
Catrike stickers.
<SNIP>Roger Merriman
Roger Merriman
On 4/11/2024 5:57 PM, AMuzi wrote:
"Whatever you like sucks. The bike I ride is best"
https://bikerumor.com/op-ed-bike-industry-toxic-racing-culture/
I found that needlessly divisive. YMMV.
ISTM Mr. Frazelle is looking to create controversy where there is >none...really.
My first clue was when he wrote "the majority of cycling-specific
apparel thats available is lycra and cut to fit the athletes body,"
The majority of cycling clothing is fit to what is known as a 'club
cut'. This clothing is designed to be larger in the midsection,
specifically allowing for 'regular size'. There are very few cycling
clothing manufacturers that sell what is known as the 'race cut' by
default. The issue here is that Mr. Frazelle is the stereotypical
American. From his pics I can surmise that even when he was fit he was a >husky gentleman, these days he's probably carrying more weight than he >should. BTW - I see plenty of and baggy clothes on the trails by me,
worn by hipster types as a protest to the lycra dogma, and many of these
guys can drop me on a technical trail like a stone.
I think it's unfortunate that he claims _every_ time he rides he
witnesses snobbery. That isn't my experience, and when I've been with
riders who treat non-competitive cyclists like that, I don't ride with
them any longer. At least in my area, recreational cyclists aren't
treated any differently. In fact, I've seen more disdain towards _my_
ilk than the casual rider out for enjoyment, especially when they have
kids in tow.
I don't know where Mr. Frazelle lives, but ISTM he's riding in the wrong >places.
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 12:18:13 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 09:49:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/11/2024 5:57 PM, AMuzi wrote:Ish most brands road bikes are split into race and endurance bikes very few
"Whatever you like sucks. The bike I ride is best"
https://bikerumor.com/op-ed-bike-industry-toxic-racing-culture/
I found that needlessly divisive. YMMV.
I didn't see it as divisive. It's main point seems to be that we should >>>>>> accept various styles of bicycling, and that not everyone wants to be a >>>>>> racer. Other details are that non-racers should be able to have
equipment that functions well and clothing that's comfortable for
riding. That's fine with me.
people should be riding race bikes arguably. But it?s often not that clear.
It?s certainly true that performance clothing at least for roadies is >>>>> intended for a type of body ie someone slim, a look around a bike club says
that?s not the body type of all even performance minded folks.
What's difference between "performance" clothes and non-performance
clothes? The only specific bicycling items I've ever worn are SPD
shoes.
Materials and fit, ie Lycra or similar that has some stretch and copes with >>> sweat, I like the ?technical? t shirts over traditional tops, a normal
cotton t shirt would get very soggy and remain so, and probably expose my >>> back.
I never wear cotton when I ride, and yet I never wear bicyle jerseys
or bottoms, either.
And with MTB/gravel riding do get wear from well grit and wet, and will
chew though non cycling shorts quite quickly, I?d assume recumbents and
road would change some of this.
I can get the same fit and material at venders not associated with
bicycling. I don't like advertising manufacturers, so I reject any
products that do that. I really like my Catrike but I've removed the
Catrike stickers.
For a recumbent thats a less stretched position, ie will not need a
cyclist cut, nor do you need to have logos plastered all over, thats more
of a older roadie thing ie folks who where cycling in the 80/90s in
general its fairly muted.
MTB baggies are less restrictive than walking shorts, and have reinforced >areas, again riding on tarmac and with a recumbent thats not needed.
Roger Merriman
<SNIP>Roger Merriman
Roger Merriman
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 14:34:56 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 12:18:13 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 09:49:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/11/2024 5:57 PM, AMuzi wrote:Ish most brands road bikes are split into race and endurance bikes very few
"Whatever you like sucks. The bike I ride is best"
https://bikerumor.com/op-ed-bike-industry-toxic-racing-culture/ >>>>>>>>
I found that needlessly divisive. YMMV.
I didn't see it as divisive. It's main point seems to be that we should >>>>>>> accept various styles of bicycling, and that not everyone wants to be a >>>>>>> racer. Other details are that non-racers should be able to have
equipment that functions well and clothing that's comfortable for >>>>>>> riding. That's fine with me.
people should be riding race bikes arguably. But it?s often not that clear.
It?s certainly true that performance clothing at least for roadies is >>>>>> intended for a type of body ie someone slim, a look around a bike club says
that?s not the body type of all even performance minded folks.
What's difference between "performance" clothes and non-performance
clothes? The only specific bicycling items I've ever worn are SPD
shoes.
Materials and fit, ie Lycra or similar that has some stretch and copes with
sweat, I like the ?technical? t shirts over traditional tops, a normal >>>> cotton t shirt would get very soggy and remain so, and probably expose my >>>> back.
I never wear cotton when I ride, and yet I never wear bicyle jerseys
or bottoms, either.
And with MTB/gravel riding do get wear from well grit and wet, and will >>>> chew though non cycling shorts quite quickly, I?d assume recumbents and >>>> road would change some of this.
I can get the same fit and material at venders not associated with
bicycling. I don't like advertising manufacturers, so I reject any
products that do that. I really like my Catrike but I've removed the
Catrike stickers.
For a recumbent thats a less stretched position, ie will not need a
cyclist cut, nor do you need to have logos plastered all over, thats more >> of a older roadie thing ie folks who where cycling in the 80/90s in
general its fairly muted.
I rode two wheelers for longer than I've ridden a recumbent.
MTB baggies are less restrictive than walking shorts, and have reinforced
areas, again riding on tarmac and with a recumbent thats not needed.
The only differences I see are that MTB baggies have butt pads, that
and they cost a lot more.
Roger Merriman
<SNIP>Roger Merriman
Roger Merriman
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 17:43:47 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 14:34:56 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 12:18:13 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 09:49:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/11/2024 5:57 PM, AMuzi wrote:Ish most brands road bikes are split into race and endurance bikes very few
"Whatever you like sucks. The bike I ride is best"
https://bikerumor.com/op-ed-bike-industry-toxic-racing-culture/ >>>>>>>>>>
I found that needlessly divisive. YMMV.
I didn't see it as divisive. It's main point seems to be that we should
accept various styles of bicycling, and that not everyone wants to be a
racer. Other details are that non-racers should be able to have >>>>>>>>> equipment that functions well and clothing that's comfortable for >>>>>>>>> riding. That's fine with me.
people should be riding race bikes arguably. But it?s often not that clear.
It?s certainly true that performance clothing at least for roadies is >>>>>>>> intended for a type of body ie someone slim, a look around a bike club says
that?s not the body type of all even performance minded folks.
What's difference between "performance" clothes and non-performance >>>>>>> clothes? The only specific bicycling items I've ever worn are SPD >>>>>>> shoes.
Materials and fit, ie Lycra or similar that has some stretch and copes with
sweat, I like the ?technical? t shirts over traditional tops, a normal >>>>>> cotton t shirt would get very soggy and remain so, and probably expose my
back.
I never wear cotton when I ride, and yet I never wear bicyle jerseys >>>>> or bottoms, either.
And with MTB/gravel riding do get wear from well grit and wet, and will >>>>>> chew though non cycling shorts quite quickly, I?d assume recumbents and >>>>>> road would change some of this.
I can get the same fit and material at venders not associated with
bicycling. I don't like advertising manufacturers, so I reject any
products that do that. I really like my Catrike but I've removed the >>>>> Catrike stickers.
For a recumbent that?s a less stretched position, ie will not need a
cyclist cut, nor do you need to have logos plastered all over, that?s more >>>> of a older roadie thing ie folks who where cycling in the 80/90?s in
general it?s fairly muted.
I rode two wheelers for longer than I've ridden a recumbent.
MTB baggies are less restrictive than walking shorts, and have reinforced >>>> areas, again riding on tarmac and with a recumbent that?s not needed.
The only differences I see are that MTB baggies have butt pads, that
and they cost a lot more.
Most folks will use padded Lycra shorts or tights under the Baggies which
will be more flexible and have reinforced areas and made with robust and
fast drying materials.
I bought a pair of padded pants a long time ago when I was riding my
old Giant. They didn't help.
I have experimented with non cycling shorts etc on the commute and even
there they got worn though fairly rapidly, ie few months.
Though have discovered MTB trousers that look like walking trousers or
similar so work well on and off the bike for work.
Roger Merriman
Roger Merriman
<SNIP>Roger Merriman
Roger Merriman
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 14:34:56 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 12:18:13 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 09:49:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> >>>>>> wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/11/2024 5:57 PM, AMuzi wrote:Ish most brands road bikes are split into race and endurance bikes very few
"Whatever you like sucks. The bike I ride is best"
https://bikerumor.com/op-ed-bike-industry-toxic-racing-culture/ >>>>>>>>>
I found that needlessly divisive. YMMV.
I didn't see it as divisive. It's main point seems to be that we should
accept various styles of bicycling, and that not everyone wants to be a
racer. Other details are that non-racers should be able to have >>>>>>>> equipment that functions well and clothing that's comfortable for >>>>>>>> riding. That's fine with me.
people should be riding race bikes arguably. But it?s often not that clear.
It?s certainly true that performance clothing at least for roadies is >>>>>>> intended for a type of body ie someone slim, a look around a bike club says
that?s not the body type of all even performance minded folks.
What's difference between "performance" clothes and non-performance >>>>>> clothes? The only specific bicycling items I've ever worn are SPD >>>>>> shoes.
Materials and fit, ie Lycra or similar that has some stretch and copes with
sweat, I like the ?technical? t shirts over traditional tops, a normal >>>>> cotton t shirt would get very soggy and remain so, and probably expose my >>>>> back.
I never wear cotton when I ride, and yet I never wear bicyle jerseys
or bottoms, either.
And with MTB/gravel riding do get wear from well grit and wet, and will >>>>> chew though non cycling shorts quite quickly, I?d assume recumbents and >>>>> road would change some of this.
I can get the same fit and material at venders not associated with
bicycling. I don't like advertising manufacturers, so I reject any
products that do that. I really like my Catrike but I've removed the
Catrike stickers.
For a recumbent that?s a less stretched position, ie will not need a
cyclist cut, nor do you need to have logos plastered all over, that?s more >>> of a older roadie thing ie folks who where cycling in the 80/90?s in
general it?s fairly muted.
I rode two wheelers for longer than I've ridden a recumbent.
MTB baggies are less restrictive than walking shorts, and have reinforced >>> areas, again riding on tarmac and with a recumbent that?s not needed.
The only differences I see are that MTB baggies have butt pads, that
and they cost a lot more.
Most folks will use padded Lycra shorts or tights under the Baggies which >will be more flexible and have reinforced areas and made with robust and
fast drying materials.
I have experimented with non cycling shorts etc on the commute and even
there they got worn though fairly rapidly, ie few months.
Though have discovered MTB trousers that look like walking trousers or >similar so work well on and off the bike for work.
Roger Merriman
Roger Merriman
<SNIP>Roger Merriman
Roger Merriman
On 4/12/2024 1:17 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 17:43:47 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 14:34:56 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 12:18:13 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> >>>>>> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 09:49:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:What's difference between "performance" clothes and non-performance >>>>>>>> clothes? The only specific bicycling items I've ever worn are SPD >>>>>>>> shoes.
On 4/11/2024 5:57 PM, AMuzi wrote:Ish most brands road bikes are split into race and endurance bikes very few
"Whatever you like sucks. The bike I ride is best"
https://bikerumor.com/op-ed-bike-industry-toxic-racing-culture/ >>>>>>>>>>>
I found that needlessly divisive. YMMV.
I didn't see it as divisive. It's main point seems to be that we should
accept various styles of bicycling, and that not everyone wants to be a
racer. Other details are that non-racers should be able to have >>>>>>>>>> equipment that functions well and clothing that's comfortable for >>>>>>>>>> riding. That's fine with me.
people should be riding race bikes arguably. But it?s often not that clear.
It?s certainly true that performance clothing at least for roadies is >>>>>>>>> intended for a type of body ie someone slim, a look around a bike club says
that?s not the body type of all even performance minded folks. >>>>>>>>
Materials and fit, ie Lycra or similar that has some stretch and copes with
sweat, I like the ?technical? t shirts over traditional tops, a normal >>>>>>> cotton t shirt would get very soggy and remain so, and probably expose my
back.
I never wear cotton when I ride, and yet I never wear bicyle jerseys >>>>>> or bottoms, either.
And with MTB/gravel riding do get wear from well grit and wet, and will >>>>>>> chew though non cycling shorts quite quickly, I?d assume recumbents and >>>>>>> road would change some of this.
I can get the same fit and material at venders not associated with >>>>>> bicycling. I don't like advertising manufacturers, so I reject any >>>>>> products that do that. I really like my Catrike but I've removed the >>>>>> Catrike stickers.
For a recumbent that?s a less stretched position, ie will not need a >>>>> cyclist cut, nor do you need to have logos plastered all over, that?s more
of a older roadie thing ie folks who where cycling in the 80/90?s in >>>>> general it?s fairly muted.
I rode two wheelers for longer than I've ridden a recumbent.
MTB baggies are less restrictive than walking shorts, and have reinforced >>>>> areas, again riding on tarmac and with a recumbent that?s not needed. >>>>The only differences I see are that MTB baggies have butt pads, that
and they cost a lot more.
Most folks will use padded Lycra shorts or tights under the Baggies which >>> will be more flexible and have reinforced areas and made with robust and >>> fast drying materials.
I bought a pair of padded pants a long time ago when I was riding my
old Giant. They didn't help.
I have experimented with non cycling shorts etc on the commute and even
there they got worn though fairly rapidly, ie few months.
Though have discovered MTB trousers that look like walking trousers or
similar so work well on and off the bike for work.
Roger Merriman
Roger Merriman
<SNIP>Roger Merriman
Roger Merriman
Padding in cycling shorts mostly helps by not having a
central seam (although some models are quite thick with
padding). They will not cover for riding position problems
or medical anomalies but are generally more comfortable than
seamed shorts to most riders.
Personally, my most comfortable riding shorts (one each of
two brands) have no pad, just a thin chamois over lycra. YMMV.
I admit I am inexperienced with recumbents, so you're on
your own there. I suspect cycling shorts would be pointless.
"Whatever you like sucks. The bike I ride is best"
https://bikerumor.com/op-ed-bike-industry-toxic-racing-culture/
I found that needlessly divisive. YMMV.
I've donated to this charity:
https://worldbicyclerelief.org/
Supposedly they designed their own bike specifically to be super rugged,
to fit a large range of body styles and to be easy to maintain.
On 4/12/2024 2:56 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Padding in cycling shorts mostly helps by not having a central seam
(although some models are quite thick with padding). They will not
cover for riding position problems or medical anomalies but are
generally more comfortable than seamed shorts to most riders.
I've long suspected that the thick liner in cycling shorts isn't so much
to add cushioning. If that were true, an extra 1/8" padding on the
saddle would work as well.
I think a big part of its function is to prevent the fabric from
wrinkling under one's pressure points. That would have you sitting on
the relatively hard folded edges of the wrinkles.
I think the tight stretch of lycra has the same function: Keeping the
fabric flat where it matters.
On 4/12/2024 10:54 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
I think it's unfortunate that he claims _every_ time he rides he
witnesses snobbery. That isn't my experience, and when I've been with
riders who treat non-competitive cyclists like that, I don't ride with
them any longer. At least in my area, recreational cyclists aren't
treated any differently.
I agree, I haven't seen snobbery at that level. But ISTM that when
cyclists go by in the opposite direction, young racer types (slim, aero sunglasses, riding hard on the drops) are somewhat less likely to
respond to a greeting or a nod compared to more casual riders, even if
the latter are in cycling clothes. Maybe the racer types are just too
intent on their time.
But similarly, I've long noticed that when walking around the area,
middle aged or older folks will readily say hi to us. Teens can somehow
pass by on the same sidewalk and not notice us. I think it's a parallel universe thing.
On 4/17/2024 9:54 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/12/2024 2:56 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Padding in cycling shorts mostly helps by not having a central seam
(although some models are quite thick with padding). They will not
cover for riding position problems or medical anomalies but are
generally more comfortable than seamed shorts to most riders.
I've long suspected that the thick liner in cycling shorts isn't so much
to add cushioning. If that were true, an extra 1/8" padding on the
saddle would work as well.
I think a big part of its function is to prevent the fabric from
wrinkling under one's pressure points. That would have you sitting on
the relatively hard folded edges of the wrinkles.
I think the tight stretch of lycra has the same function: Keeping the
fabric flat where it matters.
It's more than just minimizing seams/wrinkles. Fabric that doesn't stay
in place will chafe. A snug fit of the material protects by moving with
the skin underneath. IOW, loose- fitting lycra shorts will chafe just
like any other non "performance" material since it will allow the skin
to move against the fabric.
Another important feature of the chamois is moisture absorption. It will
help 'wick' away sweat which - if allowed to wick through the lycra onto
the saddle - can cause the lycra to 'grip' and will lead to chafing as
well. As someone who has spent countless hours on indoor trainers and
has ridden with unpadded lycra while doing it, I can relate this
experience first hand.
All the 'padding' and 'anatomically designed' marketing hype is mostly
that, though I can relate that I have a pair of Garneau shorts with a
very thick chamois (advertised at 10mm, I won them as a prime in a crit)
that are more comfortable on very long MTB excursions.
If you're not riding a bike that jams a seat between your thighs (e.g. >recumbent) these issues don't really matter, except that a good wicking >materiel would likely keep you much more comfortable much longer.
On 4/12/2024 10:54 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
I think it's unfortunate that he claims _every_ time he
rides he witnesses snobbery. That isn't my experience, and
when I've been with riders who treat non-competitive
cyclists like that, I don't ride with them any longer. At
least in my area, recreational cyclists aren't treated any
differently.
I agree, I haven't seen snobbery at that level. But ISTM
that when cyclists go by in the opposite direction, young
racer types (slim, aero sunglasses, riding hard on the
drops) are somewhat less likely to respond to a greeting or
a nod compared to more casual riders, even if the latter are
in cycling clothes. Maybe the racer types are just too
intent on their time.
But similarly, I've long noticed that when walking around
the area, middle aged or older folks will readily say hi to
us. Teens can somehow pass by on the same sidewalk and not
notice us. I think it's a parallel universe thing.
On 4/12/2024 5:49 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
It’s certainly true that performance clothing at least for roadies is
intended for a type of body ie someone slim, a look around a bike club says >> that’s not the body type of all even performance minded folks.
MTB well baggie clothing has a looser fit.
It’s enough of a problem that a company was founded just for larger
lads/lasses https://fatladattheback.com.
I notice that (almost?) all their offerings still convey "I'm sporty and
I arrived by bicycle!"
I'd often prefer clothing that's comfortable for cycling, not so loose
that it flaps in the wind, but doesn't look so cycling specific.
On 4/18/2024 12:31 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 22:13:17 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I've donated to this charity:
https://worldbicyclerelief.org/
Supposedly they designed their own bike specifically to be super rugged, >>> to fit a large range of body styles and to be easy to maintain.
That's the Buffalo bicycle:
<https://worldbicyclerelief.org/product-development/>
<https://worldbicyclerelief.org/the-bike/>
"The Buffalo Bicycle is engineered for heavy loads, long distances,
and rugged terrain, using high-quality parts and materials designed
specifically to meet our riders needs."
All steel. Weight is 50 lbs (22.7 kg). 26x1.75 wheels.
Notice the plunging top tube. That's for young (and short) riders.
Coaster brake but no front brake. Not a good idea for a heavy and
potentially overloaded "cargo" bike.
The article in _Bicycling Australia_ claimed it now comes with a front
brake.
On 4/17/2024 9:54 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/12/2024 2:56 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Padding in cycling shorts mostly helps by not having a central seam
(although some models are quite thick with padding). They will not
cover for riding position problems or medical anomalies but are
generally more comfortable than seamed shorts to most riders.
I've long suspected that the thick liner in cycling shorts isn't so much
to add cushioning. If that were true, an extra 1/8" padding on the
saddle would work as well.
I think a big part of its function is to prevent the fabric from
wrinkling under one's pressure points. That would have you sitting on
the relatively hard folded edges of the wrinkles.
I think the tight stretch of lycra has the same function: Keeping the
fabric flat where it matters.
It's more than just minimizing seams/wrinkles. Fabric that doesn't stay
in place will chafe. A snug fit of the material protects by moving with
the skin underneath. IOW, loose- fitting lycra shorts will chafe just
like any other non "performance" material since it will allow the skin
to move against the fabric.
Another important feature of the chamois is moisture absorption. It will
help 'wick' away sweat which - if allowed to wick through the lycra onto
the saddle - can cause the lycra to 'grip' and will lead to chafing as
well. As someone who has spent countless hours on indoor trainers and
has ridden with unpadded lycra while doing it, I can relate this
experience first hand.
All the 'padding' and 'anatomically designed' marketing hype is mostly
that, though I can relate that I have a pair of Garneau shorts with a
very thick chamois (advertised at 10mm, I won them as a prime in a crit)
that are more comfortable on very long MTB excursions.
If you're not riding a bike that jams a seat between your thighs (e.g. >recumbent) these issues don't really matter, except that a good wicking >materiel would likely keep you much more comfortable much longer.
On 4/18/2024 1:00 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
I favour technical t shirts ie are less figure hugging but have a cyclist
cut, ie longer back and aren’t made of cotton and so will dry etc.
I do have one jersey designed for cycling, but that looks like a
conventional casual polo shirt. It's not my favorite, for two reasons.
One is that it has a rear pocket, but with a horizontal zipper. It's
very difficult to operate that zipper. And the cut of the shirt and/or
the lack of stretch in the fabric make it oddly difficult to put on or
take off. So I think the shirt is a good concept with bad execution.
I agree about avoiding cotton. Well, except seersucker. For casual
riding in summer, that wrinkly cotton fabric seems to work pretty well, probably because the texture keeps much of the fabric out of contact
with one's skin.
Unfortunately, most of the "technical fabric" jerseys I own tend to get stinky fairly quickly.
About that: One of my kids plus another extended family member worked at
Nike Headquarters for quite a while. Back then, Nike came out with a
fabric they called "Dri-fit." Internally, many employees nicknamed it "Stink-fit."
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/18/2024 1:00 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:Only my club tops have rear pockets, the tech t shirts I’d assume would drag if they did ie too loose a fit, which is fine by me as never use those anyway.
I favour technical t shirts ie are less figure hugging but have a cyclist >>> cut, ie longer back and aren’t made of cotton and so will dry etc.
I do have one jersey designed for cycling, but that looks like a
conventional casual polo shirt. It's not my favorite, for two reasons.
One is that it has a rear pocket, but with a horizontal zipper. It's
very difficult to operate that zipper. And the cut of the shirt and/or
the lack of stretch in the fabric make it oddly difficult to put on or
take off. So I think the shirt is a good concept with bad execution.
On 4/19/2024 5:01 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/18/2024 1:00 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:Only my club tops have rear pockets, the tech t shirts I’d assume would
I favour technical t shirts ie are less figure hugging but have a cyclist >>>> cut, ie longer back and aren’t made of cotton and so will dry etc.
I do have one jersey designed for cycling, but that looks like a
conventional casual polo shirt. It's not my favorite, for two reasons.
One is that it has a rear pocket, but with a horizontal zipper. It's
very difficult to operate that zipper. And the cut of the shirt and/or
the lack of stretch in the fabric make it oddly difficult to put on or
take off. So I think the shirt is a good concept with bad execution.
drag if they did ie too loose a fit, which is fine by me as never use those >> anyway.
The old vets in the club I first joined in the 80's lamented the loss of
the jerseys with front pockets.
On Fri Apr 12 09:02:56 2024 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 12:18:13 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 09:49:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/11/2024 5:57 PM, AMuzi wrote:Ish most brands road bikes are split into race and endurance bikes very few
"Whatever you like sucks. The bike I ride is best"
https://bikerumor.com/op-ed-bike-industry-toxic-racing-culture/
I found that needlessly divisive. YMMV.
I didn't see it as divisive. It's main point seems to be that we should >> >>>> accept various styles of bicycling, and that not everyone wants to be a >> >>>> racer. Other details are that non-racers should be able to have
equipment that functions well and clothing that's comfortable for
riding. That's fine with me.
people should be riding race bikes arguably. But it?s often not that clear.
It?s certainly true that performance clothing at least for roadies is
intended for a type of body ie someone slim, a look around a bike club says
that?s not the body type of all even performance minded folks.
What's difference between "performance" clothes and non-performance
clothes? The only specific bicycling items I've ever worn are SPD
shoes.
Materials and fit, ie Lycra or similar that has some stretch and copes with >> >sweat, I like the ?technical? t shirts over traditional tops, a normal
cotton t shirt would get very soggy and remain so, and probably expose my >> >back.
I never wear cotton when I ride, and yet I never wear bicyle jerseys
or bottoms, either.
And with MTB/gravel riding do get wear from well grit and wet, and will
chew though non cycling shorts quite quickly, I?d assume recumbents and
road would change some of this.
I can get the same fit and material at venders not associated with
bicycling. I don't like advertising manufacturers, so I reject any
products that do that. I really like my Catrike but I've removed the
Catrike stickers.
Yes, but you don't mind looking ugly.
On Fri Apr 12 14:17:59 2024 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 17:43:47 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 14:34:56 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 12:18:13 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 09:49:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> >> >>>>>> wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/11/2024 5:57 PM, AMuzi wrote:Ish most brands road bikes are split into race and endurance bikes very few
"Whatever you like sucks. The bike I ride is best"
https://bikerumor.com/op-ed-bike-industry-toxic-racing-culture/
I found that needlessly divisive. YMMV.
I didn't see it as divisive. It's main point seems to be that we should
accept various styles of bicycling, and that not everyone wants to be a
racer. Other details are that non-racers should be able to have
equipment that functions well and clothing that's comfortable for >> >>>>>>>> riding. That's fine with me.
people should be riding race bikes arguably. But it?s often not that clear.
It?s certainly true that performance clothing at least for roadies is
intended for a type of body ie someone slim, a look around a bike club says
that?s not the body type of all even performance minded folks.
What's difference between "performance" clothes and non-performance >> >>>>>> clothes? The only specific bicycling items I've ever worn are SPD
shoes.
Materials and fit, ie Lycra or similar that has some stretch and copes with
sweat, I like the ?technical? t shirts over traditional tops, a normal >> >>>>> cotton t shirt would get very soggy and remain so, and probably expose my
back.
I never wear cotton when I ride, and yet I never wear bicyle jerseys
or bottoms, either.
And with MTB/gravel riding do get wear from well grit and wet, and will
chew though non cycling shorts quite quickly, I?d assume recumbents and
road would change some of this.
I can get the same fit and material at venders not associated with
bicycling. I don't like advertising manufacturers, so I reject any
products that do that. I really like my Catrike but I've removed the
Catrike stickers.
For a recumbent that?s a less stretched position, ie will not need a
cyclist cut, nor do you need to have logos plastered all over, that?s more
of a older roadie thing ie folks who where cycling in the 80/90?s in
general it?s fairly muted.
I rode two wheelers for longer than I've ridden a recumbent.
MTB baggies are less restrictive than walking shorts, and have reinforced
areas, again riding on tarmac and with a recumbent that?s not needed.
The only differences I see are that MTB baggies have butt pads, that
and they cost a lot more.
Most folks will use padded Lycra shorts or tights under the Baggies which >> >will be more flexible and have reinforced areas and made with robust and
fast drying materials.
I bought a pair of padded pants a long time ago when I was riding my
old Giant. They didn't help.
Good padded shorts, a saddle that fits your posterior and wide enough tires are all required for long rides.
On 4/19/2024 5:01 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/18/2024 1:00 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:Only my club tops have rear pockets, the tech t shirts I’d
I favour technical t shirts ie are less figure hugging
but have a cyclist
cut, ie longer back and aren’t made of cotton and so
will dry etc.
I do have one jersey designed for cycling, but that looks
like a
conventional casual polo shirt. It's not my favorite, for
two reasons.
One is that it has a rear pocket, but with a horizontal
zipper. It's
very difficult to operate that zipper. And the cut of the
shirt and/or
the lack of stretch in the fabric make it oddly difficult
to put on or
take off. So I think the shirt is a good concept with bad
execution.
assume would
drag if they did ie too loose a fit, which is fine by me
as never use those
anyway.
The old vets in the club I first joined in the 80's lamented
the loss of the jerseys with front pockets.
On 4/19/2024 9:47 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/19/2024 5:01 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/18/2024 1:00 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:Only my club tops have rear pockets, the tech t shirts Id
I favour technical t shirts ie are less figure hugging
but have a cyclist
cut, ie longer back and arent made of cotton and so
will dry etc.
I do have one jersey designed for cycling, but that looks
like a
conventional casual polo shirt. It's not my favorite, for
two reasons.
One is that it has a rear pocket, but with a horizontal
zipper. It's
very difficult to operate that zipper. And the cut of the
shirt and/or
the lack of stretch in the fabric make it oddly difficult
to put on or
take off. So I think the shirt is a good concept with bad
execution.
assume would
drag if they did ie too loose a fit, which is fine by me
as never use those
anyway.
The old vets in the club I first joined in the 80's lamented
the loss of the jerseys with front pockets.
+1
handy, and fashionable too!
http://www.bicifi.it/assets/images/gino-bartali.PNG
Haven't you worked overrtime to convince us that you're a racer?
Are you racing with "club cut" lycra? Unless you are don't talk about it.
Most American riders think that club cut is too tight on them.
On 4/19/2024 12:50 PM, Tommy dumbass felched:
Haven't you worked overrtime to convince us that you're a racer?
Nope, you're just jealous that you could never hack it.
Are you racing with "club cut" lycra? Unless you are don't talk about it.
Of course not. I still fit into race cut, and all of my team kits are
race cut. I have club cut clothing. Besides that, I'll talk about what I want, you fucking asshole. fuck off and die.
Most American riders think that club cut is too tight on them.
Are you "most american riders"? unless you are, then don't talk about
it. You're one useless asshole with worthless opinions that no one has
any interest in which you constantly spout as fact.
--
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On Thu Apr 18 08:13:07 2024 Zen Cycle wrote:
He shot me an arrogant glance and scoffed 'there's nothing out here I
can't handle on a cross bike'. Very clearly he wasn't impressed with my
what was at that time a ten-year-old 26" mtb.
I said "yeah? follow me".
I took them on this trail:
https://www.strava.com/segments/29664440
Which averages about -20% rocky rooty windy single track for 100 yards
or so at the end. He was doing ok on the technical stuff leading up to
it, though he was definitely struggling given his CX gearing. At the
bottom, only one of them was with me. The other three including mr
badass CX hadn't made it down after about a minute. The guy with me said
"they're probably not gonna ride that".
That is not a mountain bike ride. A CX bike could easily make that and leave 29er's and such behind.
It's merely a matter of weight since 29er typically weigh 10 lbs more than a CX bike it's pretty easy to see that a CX bike can easily outrun an MTB except on very rought terrain which it isn't if you could ride a hardtail on it.
Just a local Lake Chabot loop is a great deal harder than that course you showed on Strava (steepest section is 21% at the bottom and probably 24% at the top on the Chabot loop)
The ONLY way I could negotiate that section was with a 29er,
but the weight difference meant that I could push the final 24% section on my CX and be off up the following 10% before the 29er could recover and move again.
I would ride up what I considered to be a moderate climb and come up on an MTB full suspension that could only ride 2 mph while I could do 5 or 6 mph
No insult intended but you simply don't know what real moutain biking is.
So you have to forgive the CX guy since he probably was tired of hearing how hard a 7% climb was.
On 4/12/2024 2:56 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Padding in cycling shorts mostly helps by not having a
central seam (although some models are quite thick with
padding). They will not cover for riding position problems or
medical anomalies but are generally more comfortable than
seamed shorts to most riders.
I've long suspected that the thick liner in cycling shorts
isn't so much to add cushioning. If that were true, an extra
1/8" padding on the saddle would work as well.
I think a big part of its function is to prevent the fabric
from wrinkling under one's pressure points. That would have you
sitting on the relatively hard folded edges of the wrinkles.
On 4/19/2024 3:16 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Fri Apr 19 14:46:08 2024 Zen Cycle wrote:...
On 4/19/2024 12:50 PM, Tommy dumbass felched:
Haven't you worked overrtime to convince us that you're a racer?
Nope, you're just jealous that you could never hack it.
You're nor convincing anyone that you can still finish on the same LAP
as the winners let alone now.
Tom, I think you need to fly out east and race Mr. Zen. While you're
with him, he could probably show you how to assemble and adjust your bike.
On 4/19/2024 12:46 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thu Apr 18 09:43:11 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 11:25:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/18/2024 12:31 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 22:13:17 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I've donated to this charity:
https://worldbicyclerelief.org/
Supposedly they designed their own bike specifically to be super
rugged,
to fit a large range of body styles and to be easy to maintain.
That's the Buffalo bicycle:
<https://worldbicyclerelief.org/product-development/>
<https://worldbicyclerelief.org/the-bike/>
"The Buffalo Bicycle is engineered for heavy loads, long distances,
and rugged terrain, using high-quality parts and materials designed
specifically to meet our riders? needs."
All steel. Weight is 50 lbs (22.7 kg). 26x1.75 wheels.
Notice the plunging top tube. That's for young (and short) riders. >>>>> Coaster brake but no front brake. Not a good idea for a heavy and
potentially overloaded "cargo" bike.
The article in _Bicycling Australia_ claimed it now comes with a front >>>> brake.
Thanks. I missed that part. However, the reason they added the front >>> brake was not because it was difficult to stop when overloaded. It
was because when used as a cargo bike, it is often walked instead of
ridden. Using a front hand brake while walking the bicycle is easier
than using a coaster brake:
<https://bicyclingaustralia.com.au/bikes/ridden-reviewed-world-bicycle-reliefs-buffalo-bike/>
"The model I tested also included a front brake operated by a lever on
the handlebars. WBR explained that this is a recent addition to the
bike which has been included after feedback from riders. As mentioned
earlier, many Buffalo bike owners use the bike to carry cargo and push
it rather than ride, and a hand-operated brake ensures they can slow
down a little easier."
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/oddities/bricks.jpg> >>> Notice the flat rear tire.
--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Why are you talking about bicycles? Shouldn't you be telling us how
all of the recent medical studies showing large increases in cancer
from the mRNA vaccines...
Well, it IS supposed to be a bicycle discussion group. I'm sure there
are mRNA discussion groups. Won't they let you post there?
On 4/19/2024 11:34 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/19/2024 9:47 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
The old vets in the club I first joined in the 80's lamented the loss
of the jerseys with front pockets.
+1
handy, and fashionable too!
http://www.bicifi.it/assets/images/gino-bartali.PNG
The water bottle cage on the front of the handlebar looks handy too! Why
did that go out of style?
On super-long rides, including my (only) double century, I often had my
water bottle in my handlebar bag, assuming there was room for it. Much handier to reach. And better insulated on hot days.
On 4/19/2024 11:34 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/19/2024 9:47 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
The old vets in the club I first joined in the 80's lamented the loss
of the jerseys with front pockets.
+1
handy, and fashionable too!
http://www.bicifi.it/assets/images/gino-bartali.PNG
The water bottle cage on the front of the handlebar looks handy too! Why
did that go out of style?
On super-long rides, including my (only) double century, I often had my
water bottle in my handlebar bag, assuming there was room for it. Much >handier to reach. And better insulated on hot days.
Am Fri, 19 Apr 2024 16:32:00 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski ><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
On 4/19/2024 11:34 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/19/2024 9:47 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
The old vets in the club I first joined in the 80's lamented the loss
of the jerseys with front pockets.
+1
handy, and fashionable too!
http://www.bicifi.it/assets/images/gino-bartali.PNG
The water bottle cage on the front of the handlebar looks handy too! Why >>did that go out of style?
Perhaps because racers have a cycling computer there? ><https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/cnv35cjD2aEgNJ5CFXzBHV-1024-80.jpg.webp> >(from >https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/product-news/tour-de-france-bikes-131646)
Well, that of course is product placement and fashion, too. Some
ordinary people like me prefer to use that space for a large handlebar
bag _and_ a cycling computer working as replacement for old fashioned
paper maps.
<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/20230907/P1082578.jpg>
In addition, I'm not restricted by official competition rules
restricting bottle size and placement. I have space for two 950 ml
bottles plus one 650 ml bottle on the bike built last year. Most of the
time, I only need one bottle, like on my trip to the currently defunct >"Steinbachtalsperre", see the picture above. But I tried all three, a
total of 2.55 liters of water, just for fun, on a cycling trip with one
of our sons to our large radio telescope at Effelsberg. See the picture >below, left side.
<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/20230908/P1093082.jpg>
On super-long rides, including my (only) double century, I often had my >>water bottle in my handlebar bag, assuming there was room for it. Much >>handier to reach. And better insulated on hot days.
Indeed. I've never done such long rides in my life, but for doing more
than 100 km into the Ahr hills nearby ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahr_Hills>
on hot days in summer you also need a lot of water. I visited Aremberg
and Effelsberg more than once, after I retired. IMHO, insulation from a
bag doesn't help much, in comparison to transparent bottles. Both take
on air temperature after an hour or two.
On 4/21/2024 4:52 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Fri, 19 Apr 2024 16:32:00 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
The water bottle cage on the front of the handlebar looks handy too! Why >>> did that go out of style?
Perhaps because racers have a cycling computer there?
<https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/cnv35cjD2aEgNJ5CFXzBHV-1024-80.jpg.webp> >> (from
...
In addition, I'm not restricted by official competition rules
restricting bottle size and placement.
I didn't realize there were rules on bottle size and placement. Perhaps
I should have guessed that.
On super-long rides, including my (only) double century, I often had my
water bottle in my handlebar bag, assuming there was room for it. Much
handier to reach. And better insulated on hot days.
Indeed. I've never done such long rides in my life, but for doing more
than 100 km into the Ahr hills nearby
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahr_Hills>
on hot days in summer you also need a lot of water.
My main problem on that (hot) double century was balancing water intake
with salt intake. Even on that rural ride there were enough places to
refill bottles. But I drank so much water I was hyponatremic for a
while, which I fixed by downing salt packets from a fast food restaurant.
I remember one solo century ride (a spontaneous one, not planned) in
central Michigan during which I ran out of water. It was remote enough
that it took me a long time to find a place to refill.
On 4/19/2024 12:46 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thu Apr 18 09:43:11 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 11:25:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/18/2024 12:31 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 22:13:17 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I've donated to this charity:
https://worldbicyclerelief.org/
Supposedly they designed their own bike specifically to be super rugged,
to fit a large range of body styles and to be easy to maintain.
That's the Buffalo bicycle:
<https://worldbicyclerelief.org/product-development/>
<https://worldbicyclerelief.org/the-bike/>
"The Buffalo Bicycle is engineered for heavy loads, long distances,
and rugged terrain, using high-quality parts and materials designed
specifically to meet our riders? needs."
All steel. Weight is 50 lbs (22.7 kg). 26x1.75 wheels.
Notice the plunging top tube. That's for young (and short) riders.
Coaster brake but no front brake. Not a good idea for a heavy and
potentially overloaded "cargo" bike.
The article in _Bicycling Australia_ claimed it now comes with a front >>> brake.
Thanks. I missed that part. However, the reason they added the front
brake was not because it was difficult to stop when overloaded. It
was because when used as a cargo bike, it is often walked instead of
ridden. Using a front hand brake while walking the bicycle is easier
than using a coaster brake:
<https://bicyclingaustralia.com.au/bikes/ridden-reviewed-world-bicycle-reliefs-buffalo-bike/>
"The model I tested also included a front brake operated by a lever on
the handlebars. WBR explained that this is a recent addition to the
bike which has been included after feedback from riders. As mentioned
earlier, many Buffalo bike owners use the bike to carry cargo and push
it rather than ride, and a hand-operated brake ensures they can slow
down a little easier."
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/oddities/bricks.jpg> >> Notice the flat rear tire.
--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Why are you talking about bicycles? Shouldn't you be telling us how all of the recent medical studies showing large increases in cancer from the mRNA vaccines...
Well, it IS supposed to be a bicycle discussion group. I'm sure there
are mRNA discussion groups. Won't they let you post there?
--
- Frank Krygowski
When you told us that you worked for HP I saw right through you. NO ONE "worked for" HP. That company is so high class the NO ONE leaves it. The ONLY way that you could have "worked for" HP is if they fired you.
I don't believe there's a rule against mounting a water bottle on the
bars. I could be wrong.
On 4/21/2024 4:52 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Fri, 19 Apr 2024 16:32:00 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
The water bottle cage on the front of the handlebar looks handy too! Why >>> did that go out of style?
Perhaps because racers have a cycling computer there?
<https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/cnv35cjD2aEgNJ5CFXzBHV-1024-80.jpg.webp> >> (from
...
In addition, I'm not restricted by official competition rules
restricting bottle size and placement.
I didn't realize there were rules on bottle size and placement. Perhaps
I should have guessed that.
On super-long rides, including my (only) double century, I often had my
water bottle in my handlebar bag, assuming there was room for it. Much
handier to reach. And better insulated on hot days.
Indeed. I've never done such long rides in my life, but for doing more
than 100 km into the Ahr hills nearby
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahr_Hills>
on hot days in summer you also need a lot of water.
My main problem on that (hot) double century was balancing water intake
with salt intake. Even on that rural ride there were enough places to
refill bottles. But I drank so much water I was hyponatremic for a
while, which I fixed by downing salt packets from a fast food restaurant.
I remember one solo century ride (a spontaneous one, not planned) in
central Michigan during which I ran out of water. It was remote enough
that it took me a long time to find a place to refill.
On Fri Apr 19 22:25:42 2024 zen cycle wrote:
He's been banned from every other moderated group
Is there anything that you know the first thing about?
Is there anything you won't lie about?
When you told us that you worked for HP I saw right through you. NO ONE "worked for" HP. That company is so high class the NO ONE leaves it. The ONLY way that you could have "worked for" HP is if they fired you.
Considering your almost complete incompetence in evgerything that wouldn't be surprising. You're nothing but a bureaucrat hired > to do nothing but sign off paperwork. Poor pitiful little idiot.
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:24:56 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
I don't believe there's a rule against mounting a water bottle on the
bars. I could be wrong.
You're wrong: <https://road.cc/content/news/49519-uci-sets-sights-drinking-bottles-next> "The new rule Article 1.3.024 will only allow bottles to be positioned
on the down tube and seat tube."
<https://assets.ctfassets.net/761l7gh5x5an/7s1ma6mVAVlFwi8rRgy0Iw/1bef531dd9e9f534c34ff016c68e3c72/Clarification_Guide_of_the_UCI_Technical_Regulation_-_20211005_-_ENG.pdf>
See pages 49 to 51.
On 4/21/2024 4:54 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:24:56 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
I don't believe there's a rule against mounting a water bottle on the
bars. I could be wrong.
You're wrong:
<https://road.cc/content/news/49519-uci-sets-sights-drinking-bottles-next> >> "The new rule Article 1.3.024 will only allow bottles to be positioned
on the down tube and seat tube."
<https://assets.ctfassets.net/761l7gh5x5an/7s1ma6mVAVlFwi8rRgy0Iw/1bef531dd9e9f534c34ff016c68e3c72/Clarification_Guide_of_the_UCI_Technical_Regulation_-_20211005_-_ENG.pdf>
See pages 49 to 51.
heh heh heh
Riders used to complain that the 'white sox only; must cover the ankle'
rule was silly. And also the official with a tape measure checking
distance between hem of shorts leg and knee back during the 'black
shorts only' rule era.
But as they say all is change. A new era with even more arbitrary and ridiculous rules.
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:24:56 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
I don't believe there's a rule against mounting a water bottle on the
bars. I could be wrong.
You're wrong: <https://road.cc/content/news/49519-uci-sets-sights-drinking-bottles-next> "The new rule Article 1.3.024 will only allow bottles to be positioned
on the down tube and seat tube."
<https://assets.ctfassets.net/761l7gh5x5an/7s1ma6mVAVlFwi8rRgy0Iw/1bef531dd9e9f534c34ff016c68e3c72/Clarification_Guide_of_the_UCI_Technical_Regulation_-_20211005_-_ENG.pdf>
See pages 49 to 51.
On 4/21/2024 5:54 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:24:56 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
I don't believe there's a rule against mounting a water
bottle on the
bars. I could be wrong.
You're wrong:
<https://road.cc/content/news/49519-uci-sets-sights-drinking-bottles-next> >> "The new rule Article 1.3.024 will only allow bottles to
be positioned
on the down tube and seat tube."
<https://assets.ctfassets.net/761l7gh5x5an/7s1ma6mVAVlFwi8rRgy0Iw/1bef531dd9e9f534c34ff016c68e3c72/Clarification_Guide_of_the_UCI_Technical_Regulation_-_20211005_-_ENG.pdf>
See pages 49 to 51.
Yes, since the advent of using water bottles to enhance the
aerodynamics of the bike. In fact, from your link:
"Article 1.3.024 bis has come into effect on 1 January 2013.
Since that date, bottles are only allowed to be positioned
on the down tube and seat tube."
"It became essential to regulate the positioning and
dimensions of bottles in order to avoid any deviations and
to return bottles to their principal function."
"As for brake levers, derailleur controls, bottle cages and
other items not subject to the 3:1 rule, "knife profile"
shapes are not allowed."
but bear in mind the handle bar mounted bottles fell out of
favor decades before that. Pictures from the 60s show the
handle bar mounted bottles, pictures from the 70's don't.
When I started racing I never saw a bar mount, not even on
some of the older members of the club bikes.
"It became essential to regulate the positioning and dimensions of
bottles in order to avoid any deviations and to return bottles to their >principal function."
On 4/21/2024 4:54 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:24:56 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
I don't believe there's a rule against mounting a water bottle on the
bars. I could be wrong.
You're wrong:
<https://road.cc/content/news/49519-uci-sets-sights-drinking-bottles-next> >> "The new rule Article 1.3.024 will only allow bottles to be positioned
on the down tube and seat tube."
<https://assets.ctfassets.net/761l7gh5x5an/7s1ma6mVAVlFwi8rRgy0Iw/1bef531dd9e9f534c34ff016c68e3c72/Clarification_Guide_of_the_UCI_Technical_Regulation_-_20211005_-_ENG.pdf>
See pages 49 to 51.
heh heh heh
Riders used to complain that the 'white sox only; must cover
the ankle' rule was silly. And also the official with a tape
measure checking distance between hem of shorts leg and knee
back during the 'black shorts only' rule era.
But as they say all is change. A new era with even more
arbitrary and ridiculous rules.
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 20:15:06 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
"It became essential to regulate the positioning and dimensions of
bottles in order to avoid any deviations and to return bottles to their
principal function."
I wonder what the UCI would think of thin plastic bags or collapsible
water bottles. As the rider drinks the water, the bag or bottle
shrinks and therefore reduces air resistance.
On 4/21/2024 4:19 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Fri Apr 19 19:20:03 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/19/2024 12:46 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
Why are you talking about bicycles? Shouldn't you be telling us how
all of the recent medical studies showing large increases in cancer
from the mRNA vaccines...
Well, it IS supposed to be a bicycle discussion group. I'm sure there
are mRNA discussion groups. Won't they let you post there?
Frank, bicycling is an excercise and mRNA vaccines can KILL you if you
accept those vaccines.
Right, on Friday's club ride, they called for a county snowplow to
scrape rider corpses off the road so they could ride. If only those
people had listened to Tom Kunich instead of their physicians with those silly medical degrees!
Won't they let you post on the forums where actual physicians post?
that why you spew medical nonsense here?
On 4/21/2024 4:19 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Fri Apr 19 19:20:03 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/19/2024 12:46 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
Why are you talking about bicycles? Shouldn't you be
telling us how all of the recent medical studies showing
large increases in cancer from the mRNA vaccines...
Well, it IS supposed to be a bicycle discussion group.
I'm sure there
are mRNA discussion groups. Won't they let you post there?
Frank, bicycling is an excercise and mRNA vaccines can
KILL you if you accept those vaccines.
Right, on Friday's club ride, they called for a county
snowplow to scrape rider corpses off the road so they could
ride. If only those people had listened to Tom Kunich
instead of their physicians with those silly medical degrees!
Won't they let you post on the forums where actual
physicians post? Is that why you spew medical nonsense here?
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:00:19 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/21/2024 4:54 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:24:56 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
I don't believe there's a rule against mounting a water bottle on the
bars. I could be wrong.
You're wrong:
<https://road.cc/content/news/49519-uci-sets-sights-drinking-bottles-next> >>> "The new rule Article 1.3.024 will only allow bottles to be positioned
on the down tube and seat tube."
<https://assets.ctfassets.net/761l7gh5x5an/7s1ma6mVAVlFwi8rRgy0Iw/1bef531dd9e9f534c34ff016c68e3c72/Clarification_Guide_of_the_UCI_Technical_Regulation_-_20211005_-_ENG.pdf>
See pages 49 to 51.
heh heh heh
Riders used to complain that the 'white sox only; must cover
the ankle' rule was silly. And also the official with a tape
measure checking distance between hem of shorts leg and knee
back during the 'black shorts only' rule era.
But as they say all is change. A new era with even more
arbitrary and ridiculous rules.
In the interest of not starting a political discussion, I'll just
mention that the problem has been well known for many centuries and is commonly known as the Chinese version of legalism: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalism_(Chinese_philosophy)>
Legalism can be made to work, but does not scale easily to large
numbers without using coersion.
"Change everything" (I have a rubber stamp with those words).
On 4/21/2024 10:18 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:00:19 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/21/2024 4:54 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:24:56 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
I don't believe there's a rule against mounting a water bottle on the >>>>> bars. I could be wrong.
You're wrong:
<https://road.cc/content/news/49519-uci-sets-sights-drinking-bottles-next> >>>> "The new rule Article 1.3.024 will only allow bottles to be positioned >>>> on the down tube and seat tube."
<https://assets.ctfassets.net/761l7gh5x5an/7s1ma6mVAVlFwi8rRgy0Iw/1bef531dd9e9f534c34ff016c68e3c72/Clarification_Guide_of_the_UCI_Technical_Regulation_-_20211005_-_ENG.pdf>
See pages 49 to 51.
heh heh heh
Riders used to complain that the 'white sox only; must cover
the ankle' rule was silly. And also the official with a tape
measure checking distance between hem of shorts leg and knee
back during the 'black shorts only' rule era.
But as they say all is change. A new era with even more
arbitrary and ridiculous rules.
In the interest of not starting a political discussion, I'll just
mention that the problem has been well known for many centuries and is
commonly known as the Chinese version of legalism:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalism_(Chinese_philosophy)>
Legalism can be made to work, but does not scale easily to large
numbers without using coersion.
"Change everything" (I have a rubber stamp with those words).
It's universal to bureaucracies as Hayek brilliantly explained.
On 4/21/2024 8:32 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/21/2024 7:15 PM, zen cycle wrote:
... bear in mind the handle bar mounted bottles fell out of favorYes that's right. Handlebar cages were very fashionable when I first
decades before that. Pictures from the 60s show the handle bar mounted
bottles, pictures from the 70's don't. When I started racing I never
saw a bar mount, not even on some of the older members of the club bikes. >>
discovered race bikes. And then one day they were not.
Fashion is weird and powerful.
On 4/21/2024 9:12 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/21/2024 4:19 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Fri Apr 19 19:20:03 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/19/2024 12:46 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
Why are you talking about bicycles? Shouldn't you be telling us how
all of the recent medical studies showing large increases in cancer
from the mRNA vaccines...
Well, it IS supposed to be a bicycle discussion group. I'm sure there
are mRNA discussion groups. Won't they let you post there?
Frank, bicycling is an excercise and mRNA vaccines can KILL you if
you accept those vaccines.
Right, on Friday's club ride, they called for a county snowplow to
scrape rider corpses off the road so they could ride. If only those
people had listened to Tom Kunich instead of their physicians with
those silly medical degrees!
Won't they let you post on the forums where actual physicians post? Is
that why you spew medical nonsense here?
I'm not sure this is the best forum to discuss a complex phenomenon but there's a grain of truth in it:
https://www.livescience.com/health/coronavirus/rare-clotting-effect-of-early-covid-shots-finally-explained-what-could-that-mean-for-future-vaccines
albeit overstated.
On 4/21/2024 10:18 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:00:19 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/21/2024 4:54 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:24:56 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
I don't believe there's a rule against mounting a water bottle on the >>>>> bars. I could be wrong.
You're wrong:
<https://road.cc/content/news/49519-uci-sets-sights-drinking-bottles-next> >>>> "The new rule Article 1.3.024 will only allow bottles to be positioned >>>> on the down tube and seat tube."
<https://assets.ctfassets.net/761l7gh5x5an/7s1ma6mVAVlFwi8rRgy0Iw/1bef531dd9e9f534c34ff016c68e3c72/Clarification_Guide_of_the_UCI_Technical_Regulation_-_20211005_-_ENG.pdf>
See pages 49 to 51.
heh heh heh
Riders used to complain that the 'white sox only; must cover
the ankle' rule was silly. And also the official with a tape
measure checking distance between hem of shorts leg and knee
back during the 'black shorts only' rule era.
But as they say all is change. A new era with even more
arbitrary and ridiculous rules.
In the interest of not starting a political discussion, I'll just
mention that the problem has been well known for many centuries and is
commonly known as the Chinese version of legalism:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalism_(Chinese_philosophy)>
Legalism can be made to work, but does not scale easily to large
numbers without using coersion.
"Change everything" (I have a rubber stamp with those words).
It's universal to bureaucracies as Hayek brilliantly explained.
On 4/21/2024 10:58 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 20:15:06 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
"It became essential to regulate the positioning and dimensions of
bottles in order to avoid any deviations and to return bottles to their
principal function."
I wonder what the UCI would think of thin plastic bags or collapsible
water bottles. As the rider drinks the water, the bag or bottle
shrinks and therefore reduces air resistance.
They do address camel back type systems, but that's 'wearable'.
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 05:44:23 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4/21/2024 10:58 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 20:15:06 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
"It became essential to regulate the positioning and dimensions of
bottles in order to avoid any deviations and to return bottles to their >>>> principal function."
I wonder what the UCI would think of thin plastic bags or collapsible
water bottles. As the rider drinks the water, the bag or bottle
shrinks and therefore reduces air resistance.
They do address camel back type systems, but that's 'wearable'.
I noticed that. However, the UCI failed to mention filling the
handlebars and frame tubes with water. Just replace the handlebar end
caps with a faucet, tap, or spigot (in carbon fiber and titanium of
course). <https://www.bing.com/images/create/a-bicycle-with-a-spigot-at-the-handlebar-ends/1-6626ade996c04501a9fdb47bfd82132c?id=WFmrurobRA087SKo%2fAXfmw%3d%3d&view=detailv2&idpp=genimg&idpclose=1&thId=OIG3.Sf9xYgBYqmrMJAcxy6yL&frame=sydedg&FORM=SYDBIC>
<https://www.bing.com/images/create/a-bicycle-with-a-spigot-at-the-handlebar-ends/1-6626ade996c04501a9fdb47bfd82132c?id=xP5m23DZnX87SAciSOejEg%3d%3d&view=detailv2&idpp=genimg&idpclose=1&thId=OIG3.EPB6AmWlQLb8.VQbPAeQ&frame=sydedg&FORM=SYDBIC>
Patent pending.
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 20:30:34 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
When you told us that you worked for HP I saw right through you. NO ONE "worked for" HP. That company is so high class the NO ONE leaves it. The ONLY way that you could have "worked for" HP is if they fired you.
[Insults deleted]
Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak both quit HP in order to start Apple.
More generally, much of the Silicon Valley was built by startups who's founders came from HP.
List of companies that were founded by former HP employees:
"HP Alumni Founded Companies" <https://www.crunchbase.com/hub/hp-alumni-founded-companies>
I don't know where you obtained your illusions about HP, but things
are nothing near your claim that HP is a employee paradise. For
example:
"HP Sues Employees for Leaving" <https://blogs.cisco.com/news/hp-sues-employees-for-leaving>
"It’s a sad day when great companies think they need to sue their own employees over and over again to stop them from bettering themselves
in their chosen profession."
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 07:44:15 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/21/2024 10:18 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:00:19 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/21/2024 4:54 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:24:56 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
I don't believe there's a rule against mounting a water bottle on the >>>>>> bars. I could be wrong.
You're wrong:
<https://road.cc/content/news/49519-uci-sets-sights-drinking-bottles-next>
"The new rule Article 1.3.024 will only allow bottles to be positioned >>>>> on the down tube and seat tube."
<https://assets.ctfassets.net/761l7gh5x5an/7s1ma6mVAVlFwi8rRgy0Iw/1bef531dd9e9f534c34ff016c68e3c72/Clarification_Guide_of_the_UCI_Technical_Regulation_-_20211005_-_ENG.pdf>
See pages 49 to 51.
heh heh heh
Riders used to complain that the 'white sox only; must cover
the ankle' rule was silly. And also the official with a tape
measure checking distance between hem of shorts leg and knee
back during the 'black shorts only' rule era.
But as they say all is change. A new era with even more
arbitrary and ridiculous rules.
In the interest of not starting a political discussion, I'll just
mention that the problem has been well known for many centuries and is
commonly known as the Chinese version of legalism:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalism_(Chinese_philosophy)>
Legalism can be made to work, but does not scale easily to large
numbers without using coersion.
"Change everything" (I have a rubber stamp with those words).
It's universal to bureaucracies as Hayek brilliantly explained.
Yep. His book "The Road to Serfdom" is on the basic reading list for >prospective Libertarians. ><https://ctheory.sitehost.iu.edu/img/Hayek_The_Road_to_Serfdom.pdf>
I read it in college, along with "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand: ><https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.458873> (90 MBytes)
Both books convinced me that the default answer to excessive
bureaucracy is NOT more bureaucracy.
Where is my rubber stamp hiding?
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 11:16:48 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 07:44:15 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/21/2024 10:18 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:00:19 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
On 4/21/2024 4:54 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:24:56 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
I don't believe there's a rule against mounting a water bottle on the >>>>>>> bars. I could be wrong.
You're wrong:
<https://road.cc/content/news/49519-uci-sets-sights-drinking-bottles-next>
"The new rule Article 1.3.024 will only allow bottles to be positioned >>>>>> on the down tube and seat tube."
<https://assets.ctfassets.net/761l7gh5x5an/7s1ma6mVAVlFwi8rRgy0Iw/1bef531dd9e9f534c34ff016c68e3c72/Clarification_Guide_of_the_UCI_Technical_Regulation_-_20211005_-_ENG.pdf>
See pages 49 to 51.
heh heh heh
Riders used to complain that the 'white sox only; must cover
the ankle' rule was silly. And also the official with a tape
measure checking distance between hem of shorts leg and knee
back during the 'black shorts only' rule era.
But as they say all is change. A new era with even more
arbitrary and ridiculous rules.
In the interest of not starting a political discussion, I'll just
mention that the problem has been well known for many centuries and is >>>> commonly known as the Chinese version of legalism:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalism_(Chinese_philosophy)>
Legalism can be made to work, but does not scale easily to large
numbers without using coersion.
"Change everything" (I have a rubber stamp with those words).
It's universal to bureaucracies as Hayek brilliantly explained.
Yep. His book "The Road to Serfdom" is on the basic reading list for
prospective Libertarians.
<https://ctheory.sitehost.iu.edu/img/Hayek_The_Road_to_Serfdom.pdf>
I read it in college, along with "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand:
<https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.458873> (90 MBytes)
Both books convinced me that the default answer to excessive
bureaucracy is NOT more bureaucracy.
Where is my rubber stamp hiding?
I read Atlas Shrugged when I was in High School. I never read "The
Road to Serfdom," but I think I will. Thanks for the PDF. I hope it's
legal. It's now on my Kindle
On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 07:45:48 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 4/17/2024 9:54 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/12/2024 2:56 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Padding in cycling shorts mostly helps by not having a central seam
(although some models are quite thick with padding). They will not
cover for riding position problems or medical anomalies but are
generally more comfortable than seamed shorts to most riders.
I've long suspected that the thick liner in cycling shorts isn't so much >>> to add cushioning. If that were true, an extra 1/8" padding on the
saddle would work as well.
I think a big part of its function is to prevent the fabric from
wrinkling under one's pressure points. That would have you sitting on
the relatively hard folded edges of the wrinkles.
I think the tight stretch of lycra has the same function: Keeping the
fabric flat where it matters.
It's more than just minimizing seams/wrinkles. Fabric that doesn't stay
in place will chafe. A snug fit of the material protects by moving with
the skin underneath. IOW, loose- fitting lycra shorts will chafe just
like any other non "performance" material since it will allow the skin
to move against the fabric.
Another important feature of the chamois is moisture absorption. It will >>help 'wick' away sweat which - if allowed to wick through the lycra onto >>the saddle - can cause the lycra to 'grip' and will lead to chafing as >>well. As someone who has spent countless hours on indoor trainers and
has ridden with unpadded lycra while doing it, I can relate this
experience first hand.
All the 'padding' and 'anatomically designed' marketing hype is mostly >>that, though I can relate that I have a pair of Garneau shorts with a
very thick chamois (advertised at 10mm, I won them as a prime in a crit) >>that are more comfortable on very long MTB excursions.
If you're not riding a bike that jams a seat between your thighs (e.g. >>recumbent) these issues don't really matter, except that a good wicking >>materiel would likely keep you much more comfortable much longer.
In the late 1980's, I did some computer work and sewing machine repair
for a local company, Chi Pants in Santa Cruz. They made "gusseted"
pants designed for comfort in a factory on the main downtown mall. <https://calisphere.org/item/9b454340f650b62c0f5d225d9bc6d2b4/> <https://calisphere.org/item/7c400e2b7386d3e90543f9c0b5eb2d0b/>
As I recall, total sales was about 800,000 pants. I'm not sure what
happened but apparently the name has been resurrected: <https://www.dashhemp.com/product/chi-gusseted-hemp-jean/>
Hmmm... That's not a crotch gusset and appears to be a different
design. This is the only sketch I could find showing of the original
crotch gusset design: <https://www.reddit.com/r/santacruz/comments/wjo9up/who_remembers_chi_pants/> At the time, I didn't think gussets were much of an improvement for
everyday wear, but they were more comfortable when I was riding a
bicycle. Not sitting on lumpy "speed bump" seams was a big
improvement.
On 4/22/2024 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 11:16:48 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 07:44:15 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/21/2024 10:18 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:00:19 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
On 4/21/2024 4:54 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:24:56 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
I don't believe there's a rule against mounting a water bottle on the >>>>>>>> bars. I could be wrong.
You're wrong:
<https://road.cc/content/news/49519-uci-sets-sights-drinking-bottles-next>
"The new rule Article 1.3.024 will only allow bottles to be positioned >>>>>>> on the down tube and seat tube."
<https://assets.ctfassets.net/761l7gh5x5an/7s1ma6mVAVlFwi8rRgy0Iw/1bef531dd9e9f534c34ff016c68e3c72/Clarification_Guide_of_the_UCI_Technical_Regulation_-_20211005_-_ENG.pdf>
See pages 49 to 51.
heh heh heh
Riders used to complain that the 'white sox only; must cover
the ankle' rule was silly. And also the official with a tape
measure checking distance between hem of shorts leg and knee
back during the 'black shorts only' rule era.
But as they say all is change. A new era with even more
arbitrary and ridiculous rules.
In the interest of not starting a political discussion, I'll just
mention that the problem has been well known for many centuries and is >>>>> commonly known as the Chinese version of legalism:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalism_(Chinese_philosophy)>
Legalism can be made to work, but does not scale easily to large
numbers without using coersion.
"Change everything" (I have a rubber stamp with those words).
It's universal to bureaucracies as Hayek brilliantly explained.
Yep. His book "The Road to Serfdom" is on the basic reading list for
prospective Libertarians.
<https://ctheory.sitehost.iu.edu/img/Hayek_The_Road_to_Serfdom.pdf>
I read it in college, along with "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand:
<https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.458873> (90 MBytes)
Both books convinced me that the default answer to excessive
bureaucracy is NOT more bureaucracy.
Where is my rubber stamp hiding?
I read Atlas Shrugged when I was in High School. I never read "The
Road to Serfdom," but I think I will. Thanks for the PDF. I hope it's
legal. It's now on my Kindle
After that , his soul mate von MIses:
https://archive.org/details/HumanAction
The
idea, I guess, was that if you suddenly found you had to round kick a
dude in the head down at the roller disco your pants wouldn't get in the
way.
On Fri Apr 19 19:22:58 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/19/2024 3:16 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Fri Apr 19 14:46:08 2024 Zen Cycle wrote:...
On 4/19/2024 12:50 PM, Tommy dumbass felched:
Haven't you worked overrtime to convince us that you're a racer?
Nope, you're just jealous that you could never hack it.
You're nor convincing anyone that you can still finish on the same LAP as the winners let alone now.
Tom, I think you need to fly out east and race Mr. Zen. While you're
with him, he could probably show you how to assemble and adjust your bike. >>
--
- Frank Krygowski
When I could race, Flunky would have had no chance. Do you want to try adjusting the fork on my Fondriest? Don't pretend that all bicycle problems are easy. The latest Fondriests are totally different for a reason. Why do you suppose I've rebuildhundreds of bikes without a problem
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 17:26:12 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/22/2024 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 11:16:48 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 07:44:15 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
On 4/21/2024 10:18 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:00:19 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>
On 4/21/2024 4:54 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:24:56 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
I don't believe there's a rule against mounting a water bottle on the >>>>>>>>> bars. I could be wrong.
You're wrong:
<https://road.cc/content/news/49519-uci-sets-sights-drinking-bottles-next>
"The new rule Article 1.3.024 will only allow bottles to be positioned >>>>>>>> on the down tube and seat tube."
<https://assets.ctfassets.net/761l7gh5x5an/7s1ma6mVAVlFwi8rRgy0Iw/1bef531dd9e9f534c34ff016c68e3c72/Clarification_Guide_of_the_UCI_Technical_Regulation_-_20211005_-_ENG.pdf>
See pages 49 to 51.
heh heh heh
Riders used to complain that the 'white sox only; must cover
the ankle' rule was silly. And also the official with a tape
measure checking distance between hem of shorts leg and knee
back during the 'black shorts only' rule era.
But as they say all is change. A new era with even more
arbitrary and ridiculous rules.
In the interest of not starting a political discussion, I'll just
mention that the problem has been well known for many centuries and is >>>>>> commonly known as the Chinese version of legalism:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalism_(Chinese_philosophy)>
Legalism can be made to work, but does not scale easily to large
numbers without using coersion.
"Change everything" (I have a rubber stamp with those words).
It's universal to bureaucracies as Hayek brilliantly explained.
Yep. His book "The Road to Serfdom" is on the basic reading list for
prospective Libertarians.
<https://ctheory.sitehost.iu.edu/img/Hayek_The_Road_to_Serfdom.pdf>
I read it in college, along with "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand:
<https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.458873> (90 MBytes)
Both books convinced me that the default answer to excessive
bureaucracy is NOT more bureaucracy.
Where is my rubber stamp hiding?
I read Atlas Shrugged when I was in High School. I never read "The
Road to Serfdom," but I think I will. Thanks for the PDF. I hope it's
legal. It's now on my Kindle
After that , his soul mate von MIses:
https://archive.org/details/HumanAction
I'm a bit of a John Locke, Thomas Hobbes kind of guy... but it was a
very long time ago.
I remember one solo century ride (a spontaneous one, not planned) in
central Michigan during which I ran out of water. It was remote enough
that it took me a long time to find a place to refill.
On 4/22/2024 2:39 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 05:44:23 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4/21/2024 10:58 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 20:15:06 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
"It became essential to regulate the positioning and dimensions of
bottles in order to avoid any deviations and to return bottles to their >>>>> principal function."
I wonder what the UCI would think of thin plastic bags or collapsible
water bottles. As the rider drinks the water, the bag or bottle
shrinks and therefore reduces air resistance.
They do address camel back type systems, but that's 'wearable'.
I noticed that. However, the UCI failed to mention filling the
handlebars and frame tubes with water. Just replace the handlebar end
caps with a faucet, tap, or spigot (in carbon fiber and titanium of
course).
<https://www.bing.com/images/create/a-bicycle-with-a-spigot-at-the-handlebar-ends/1-6626ade996c04501a9fdb47bfd82132c?id=WFmrurobRA087SKo%2fAXfmw%3d%3d&view=detailv2&idpp=genimg&idpclose=1&thId=OIG3.Sf9xYgBYqmrMJAcxy6yL&frame=sydedg&FORM=SYDBIC>
<https://www.bing.com/images/create/a-bicycle-with-a-spigot-at-the-handlebar-ends/1-6626ade996c04501a9fdb47bfd82132c?id=xP5m23DZnX87SAciSOejEg%3d%3d&view=detailv2&idpp=genimg&idpclose=1&thId=OIG3.EPB6AmWlQLb8.VQbPAeQ&frame=sydedg&FORM=SYDBIC>
Patent pending.
My son got me this for xmas
https://www.ebay.com/itm/176302983931
On 4/22/2024 1:26 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Fri Apr 19 19:22:58 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
Tom, I think you need to fly out east and race Mr. Zen. While you're
with him, he could probably show you how to assemble and adjust your
bike.
When I could race, Flunky would have had no chance.
"The older I get, the faster I was!" ;-)
On 4/22/2024 6:48 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 17:26:12 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/22/2024 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 11:16:48 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>>> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 07:44:15 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
On 4/21/2024 10:18 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:00:19 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 4/21/2024 4:54 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:24:56 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
I don't believe there's a rule against mounting a water bottle on the
bars. I could be wrong.
You're wrong:
<https://road.cc/content/news/49519-uci-sets-sights-drinking-bottles-next>
"The new rule Article 1.3.024 will only allow bottles to be positioned
on the down tube and seat tube."
<https://assets.ctfassets.net/761l7gh5x5an/7s1ma6mVAVlFwi8rRgy0Iw/1bef531dd9e9f534c34ff016c68e3c72/Clarification_Guide_of_the_UCI_Technical_Regulation_-_20211005_-_ENG.pdf>
See pages 49 to 51.
heh heh heh
Riders used to complain that the 'white sox only; must cover
the ankle' rule was silly. And also the official with a tape
measure checking distance between hem of shorts leg and knee
back during the 'black shorts only' rule era.
But as they say all is change. A new era with even more
arbitrary and ridiculous rules.
In the interest of not starting a political discussion, I'll just >>>>>>> mention that the problem has been well known for many centuries and is >>>>>>> commonly known as the Chinese version of legalism:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalism_(Chinese_philosophy)>
Legalism can be made to work, but does not scale easily to large >>>>>>> numbers without using coersion.
"Change everything" (I have a rubber stamp with those words).
It's universal to bureaucracies as Hayek brilliantly explained.
Yep. His book "The Road to Serfdom" is on the basic reading list for >>>>> prospective Libertarians.
<https://ctheory.sitehost.iu.edu/img/Hayek_The_Road_to_Serfdom.pdf>
I read it in college, along with "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand:
<https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.458873> (90 MBytes)
Both books convinced me that the default answer to excessive
bureaucracy is NOT more bureaucracy.
Where is my rubber stamp hiding?
I read Atlas Shrugged when I was in High School. I never read "The
Road to Serfdom," but I think I will. Thanks for the PDF. I hope it's
legal. It's now on my Kindle
After that , his soul mate von MIses:
https://archive.org/details/HumanAction
I'm a bit of a John Locke, Thomas Hobbes kind of guy... but it was a
very long time ago.
Well, yes but humans haven't changed at all.
Compare 1938:
https://www.history.com/topics/holocaust/kristallnacht
to this afternoon: >https://nypost.com/2024/04/22/us-news/columbia-university-anti-israel-protesters-5-dramatic-moments-from-a-week-of-chaos/
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/2024-04-21/live-updates-798178
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 14:49:24 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 4/22/2024 2:39 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 05:44:23 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4/21/2024 10:58 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 20:15:06 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
"It became essential to regulate the positioning and dimensions of >>>>>> bottles in order to avoid any deviations and to return bottles to their >>>>>> principal function."
I wonder what the UCI would think of thin plastic bags or collapsible >>>>> water bottles. As the rider drinks the water, the bag or bottle
shrinks and therefore reduces air resistance.
They do address camel back type systems, but that's 'wearable'.
I noticed that. However, the UCI failed to mention filling the
handlebars and frame tubes with water. Just replace the handlebar end
caps with a faucet, tap, or spigot (in carbon fiber and titanium of
course).
<https://www.bing.com/images/create/a-bicycle-with-a-spigot-at-the-handlebar-ends/1-6626ade996c04501a9fdb47bfd82132c?id=WFmrurobRA087SKo%2fAXfmw%3d%3d&view=detailv2&idpp=genimg&idpclose=1&thId=OIG3.Sf9xYgBYqmrMJAcxy6yL&frame=sydedg&FORM=SYDBIC>
<https://www.bing.com/images/create/a-bicycle-with-a-spigot-at-the-handlebar-ends/1-6626ade996c04501a9fdb47bfd82132c?id=xP5m23DZnX87SAciSOejEg%3d%3d&view=detailv2&idpp=genimg&idpclose=1&thId=OIG3.EPB6AmWlQLb8.VQbPAeQ&frame=sydedg&FORM=SYDBIC>
Patent pending.
My son got me this for xmas
https://www.ebay.com/itm/176302983931
Nice. However, you are expected to drink from the horns, not from the
cans. Also, the horns can be re-used while the cans require
recycling:
<https://grimfrost.com/collections/viking-drinking-horns> <https://www.google.com/search?q=viking+drinking+horn&tbm=isch>
Also, the helmet does not appear to be UCI approved for racing.
This is an image of me crossing the finish line. >https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1552461367846&set=a.1552461287844
I had those huge tricepts that sprinters have.
I suppose I got them from climbing hills in large gears.
On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:18:18 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I had those huge tricepts that sprinters have.
The triceps are in the arms, not the legs. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triceps>
I suppose I got them from climbing hills in large gears.
More likely you got them from climbing trees and swinging between
branches.
Didn't Joy make her own jerseys? I wonder about the details of hers.
The old vets in the club I first joined in the 80's lamented the loss of
the jerseys with front pockets.
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 11:33:08 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Didn't Joy make her own jerseys? I wonder about the details of hers.
http://wlweather.net/PAGESEW/LINJERSY.HTM
Rather more than you wanted to know.
That page is obsolete, but the current version
http://wlweather.net/PAGESEW/RUFFTEXT/ROUGH061.HTM
has the pictures few and far between; best start looking at the
bottom, where it's more together.
I also see that I never got around to running it through the
validator.
On Tue Apr 23 11:23:59 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:18:18 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I had those huge tricepts that sprinters have.
The triceps are in the arms, not the legs.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triceps>
I suppose I got them from climbing hills in large gears.
More likely you got them from climbing trees and swinging between
branches.
[Insult deleted]. That's your entire life. I meant the Vastus Medialis Muscle . If you had any real interest in cycling you'd know that Sprinters grow very lar5ge Vastus Medialis muscles.
I cannot remember sprinting so climbing in large gears bur also be valuable.
On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 23:17:37 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Tue Apr 23 11:23:59 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:18:18 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I had those huge tricepts that sprinters have.
The triceps are in the arms, not the legs.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triceps>
I suppose I got them from climbing hills in large gears.
More likely you got them from climbing trees and swinging between
branches.
[Insult deleted]. That's your entire life. I meant the Vastus Medialis
Muscle . If you had any real interest in cycling you'd know that
Sprinters grow very lar5ge Vastus Medialis muscles.
The vastus medialis muscle is one of the four muscles of the
quadriceps group. It's unlikely that only one muscle of the group
would "grow very large".
I cannot remember sprinting so climbing in large gears bur also be valuable.
Could I trouble you to decode that into something intelligible? Try
to relax as you seem to make more typo errors when agitated. Also, do
you consider the use of a spelling checker to be a leftist conspiracy?
If your vastus medialis muscles show signs of excessive enlargement,
you are likely grinding your way up the hills instead of spinning. At
your advanced age, the muscles tend to atrophy, lose muscle tone and
become flabby. While it is possible to maintain muscle tone,
continued physical activity by itself is not a guarantee of continued athletic function and performance.
"The aging of elite male athletes: age-related changes in performance
and skeletal muscle structure and function" <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3928819/>
"Life long physical activity does not appear to have any impact on the
loss in fiber number. The loss of fibers can be buffered to some
degree by hypertrophy of fibers that remain. Surprisingly, the
performance of elite athletes in all sports appears to be impaired
before the onset of the fiber loss. Even with major losses in physical capacity and muscle mass, the performance of elite and masters
athletes is remarkable."
I think I now see why you abruptly closed your Strava account and
deleted your data. You couldn't maintain the required regimen and
didn't want anyone to notice the associated performance deterioration.
On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 23:17:37 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Tue Apr 23 11:23:59 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:18:18 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I had those huge tricepts that sprinters have.
The triceps are in the arms, not the legs.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triceps>
I suppose I got them from climbing hills in large gears.
More likely you got them from climbing trees and swinging between
branches.
[Insult deleted]. That's your entire life. I meant the Vastus Medialis Muscle . If you had any real interest in cycling you'd know that Sprinters grow very lar5ge Vastus Medialis muscles.
The vastus medialis muscle is one of the four muscles of the
quadriceps group. It's unlikely that only one muscle of the group
would "grow very large".
I cannot remember sprinting so climbing in large gears bur also be valuable.
Could I trouble you to decode that into something intelligible? Try
to relax as you seem to make more typo errors when agitated. Also, do
you consider the use of a spelling checker to be a leftist conspiracy?
If your vastus medialis muscles show signs of excessive enlargement,
you are likely grinding your way up the hills instead of spinning.
your advanced age, the muscles tend to atrophy, lose muscle tone and
become flabby. While it is possible to maintain muscle tone,
continued physical activity by itself is not a guarantee of continued athletic function and performance.
"The aging of elite male athletes: age-related changes in performance
and skeletal muscle structure and function" <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3928819/>
"Life long physical activity does not appear to have any impact on the
loss in fiber number. The loss of fibers can be buffered to some
degree by hypertrophy of fibers that remain. Surprisingly, the
performance of elite athletes in all sports appears to be impaired
before the onset of the fiber loss. Even with major losses in physical capacity and muscle mass, the performance of elite and masters
athletes is remarkable."
I think I now see why you abruptly closed your Strava account and
deleted your data. You couldn't maintain the required regimen and
didn't want anyone to notice the associated performance deterioration.
On 4/23/2024 7:17 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tue Apr 23 11:23:59 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:18:18 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I had those huge tricepts that sprinters have.
The triceps are in the arms, not the legs.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triceps>
I suppose I got them from climbing hills in large gears.
More likely you got them from climbing trees and swinging between
branches.
--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
As usual, you have nothing of value to add. That's your entire life. I meant the Vastus Medialis Muscle . If you had any real interest in cycling you'd know that Sprinters grow very lar5ge Vastus Medialis muscles.
You screwed up yet again. And if you were halfway normal, you'd have
said something like "Oops, you're right." Instead you tossed more insults.
You're a wreck.
--
- Frank Krygowski
On 4/24/2024 11:30 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tue Apr 23 22:32:17 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
You screwed up yet again. And if you were halfway normal, you'd have
said something like "Oops, you're right." Instead you tossed more
insults.
You're a wreck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbh_NB6LNaI
Are you trying for some Non Sequitur Nonsense award?
On 4/24/2024 11:30 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tue Apr 23 22:32:17 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
You screwed up yet again. And if you were halfway normal, you'd have
said something like "Oops, you're right." Instead you tossed more insults. >>>
You're a wreck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbh_NB6LNaI
Are you trying for some Non Sequitur Nonsense award?
On 4/23/2024 7:17 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tue Apr 23 11:23:59 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:18:18 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I had those huge tricepts that sprinters have.
The triceps are in the arms, not the legs.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triceps>
I suppose I got them from climbing hills in large gears.
More likely you got them from climbing trees and swinging between
branches.
--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
As usual, you have nothing of value to add. That's your entire life. I meant the Vastus Medialis Muscle . If you had any real interest in cycling you'd know that Sprinters grow very lar5ge Vastus Medialis muscles.
You screwed up yet again. And if you were halfway normal, you'd have
said something like "Oops, you're right." Instead you tossed more insults.
You're a wreck.
On 4/21/2024 4:30 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Fri Apr 19 22:25:42 2024 zen cycle wrote:
He's been banned from every other moderated group
Is there anything that you know the first thing about?
Yes, I know your were in jail for two years, then lied about having a concussion from a bike accident, and that you have in fact been banned
from every other moderated group you post to.
Is there anything you won't lie about?
Right back atcha, asshole.
When you told us that you worked for HP I saw right through you. NO ONE "worked for" HP. That company is so high class the NO ONE leaves it. The ONLY way that you could have "worked for" HP is if they fired you.
Dear fucking moron,
I worked for the Telecommunication Network Test Division which became
part of Agilent. After the tech bubble burst, Agilent shut down the vast majority of their TNT group in a massive layoff that affected over 4000 employees. Our office was part of the division designing and building
SONET test gear based in Queensferry Scotland that eventually got shut
down. Everyone was laid off.
Here's the press release https://www.eetimes.com/agilent-job-cuts-blamed-on-worst-industry-downturn/
"Agilent Technologies plans to axe 4000 staff, 9% of its global
workforce. The company, which employs 2000 staff at its plant in South Queensferry, Scotland, says the job cuts will occur between now and the middle of next year."
"Around half the job losses will be in the US."
Perhaps you should reconsider disappearing from this forum. You've been nothing but ignorantly disruptive since you reappeared.
Considering your almost complete incompetence in evgerything that wouldn't be surprising. You're nothing but a bureaucrat hired > to do nothing but sign off paperwork. Poor pitiful little idiot.
And you're a convicted criminal, a drunkard, and a liar.
Tell us again how your investments are making $12000 a month
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/hicB2nXjlr4/m/G2axqs0k_IwJ
cycl...@yahoo.com Aug 9, 2013, 11:11:36?AM
" now on Social Security I have to VERY slowly make it up."
Tell again about how competent your electronic skills are, here, I'll
help refresh your memory where you wrote TDR means "time delay reflection"
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/f_tByXh5jXo/m/9Y4EzuUJCAAJ
Tell us again how you "no one" can reliably tighten carbon handlebars,
or how a dent in your top tube disappeared by riding the bike, or how
your shifting improved after you bought special Campagnolo non-stretch shifter cables.
Have another drink, you worthless piece of shit.
On Mon Apr 22 07:42:11 2024 AMuzi wrote:
On 4/21/2024 9:12 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/21/2024 4:19 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Fri Apr 19 19:20:03 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/19/2024 12:46 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
Why are you talking about bicycles? Shouldn't you be
telling us how all of the recent medical studies showing
large increases in cancer from the mRNA vaccines...
Well, it IS supposed to be a bicycle discussion group.
I'm sure there
are mRNA discussion groups. Won't they let you post there?
Frank, bicycling is an excercise and mRNA vaccines can
KILL you if you accept those vaccines.
Right, on Friday's club ride, they called for a county
snowplow to scrape rider corpses off the road so they could
ride. If only those people had listened to Tom Kunich
instead of their physicians with those silly medical degrees!
Won't they let you post on the forums where actual
physicians post? Is that why you spew medical nonsense here?
I'm not sure this is the best forum to discuss a complex
phenomenon but there's a grain of truth in it:
https://www.livescience.com/health/coronavirus/rare-clotting-effect-of-early-covid-shots-finally-explained-what-could-that-mean-for-future-vaccines
albeit overstated.
I sort of agree with you that this isn't a good place to discuss covid-19 but where is. Blood clotting was not a rare side effect. And those vaccines were administerred to Billionsillions of people causing the unmistakable deaths of millions.vaccine.
It immediately became apparent that one out of every 800 people were dying from effects of the vaccines! Normally an acceptable number is one out of 100,000. And in child vacciunes less than one out of 10 million.
Almost all of the present excess deaths are to people under 40.And as I pointed out long ago, it is causing an AIDS-like syndrome that is pretty much unstoppable because RgG4 antibodies are telling your immune system not to repair the dammage from the
Now remember that most countries are signers of the Geneva Convention Treaty. This forbids GMOs except under special licensed cases. That is why Fauci took it to China. They are not a member of the Geneva onvention.you are changing the human genome. This causes any multiple number of illnesses from death of one friend from blood clots after 26 days to another friend's failure of a nerve pathway to his left leg, to sudden and severe cancer now known as Turbo Cancer
The "vaccines" are nothing of the sort but are themselves GMO's (Genetically Modified Organisms)
Do you know what China did to protect themselves? They simply inujected the spike protein which gave them protection via the immune sydtem against the SARS-Cov-2 virus.
Why did the vaccine companies illegally use an unnecessary GMO? Money.And the pretense that mRNA might become useful.Transcroiption of DNA to RNA is a known chemistry and the same enzumes work both ways. So putting mRNA into your body guarantees that
SARS Cov-2 IS NOT a dangerous virus I've had it twice, it is a respiratory virus and I have damaged lungs and it was no big deal. The vaccines ARE a huge deal espedcially if you took more than two shots.
On 5/1/2024 4:24 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:vaccine.
On Mon Apr 22 07:42:11 2024 AMuzi wrote:
On 4/21/2024 9:12 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/21/2024 4:19 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Fri Apr 19 19:20:03 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/19/2024 12:46 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
Why are you talking about bicycles? Shouldn't you be
telling us how all of the recent medical studies showing
large increases in cancer from the mRNA vaccines...
Well, it IS supposed to be a bicycle discussion group.
I'm sure there
are mRNA discussion groups. Won't they let you post there?
Frank, bicycling is an excercise and mRNA vaccines can
KILL you if you accept those vaccines.
Right, on Friday's club ride, they called for a county
snowplow to scrape rider corpses off the road so they could
ride. If only those people had listened to Tom Kunich
instead of their physicians with those silly medical degrees!
Won't they let you post on the forums where actual
physicians post? Is that why you spew medical nonsense here?
I'm not sure this is the best forum to discuss a complex
phenomenon but there's a grain of truth in it:
https://www.livescience.com/health/coronavirus/rare-clotting-effect-of-early-covid-shots-finally-explained-what-could-that-mean-for-future-vaccines
albeit overstated.
I sort of agree with you that this isn't a good place to discuss covid-19 but where is. Blood clotting was not a rare side effect. And those vaccines were administerred to Billionsillions of people causing the unmistakable deaths of millions.
It immediately became apparent that one out of every 800 people were dying from effects of the vaccines! Normally an acceptable number is one out of 100,000. And in child vacciunes less than one out of 10 million.
Almost all of the present excess deaths are to people under 40.And as I pointed out long ago, it is causing an AIDS-like syndrome that is pretty much unstoppable because RgG4 antibodies are telling your immune system not to repair the dammage from the
you are changing the human genome. This causes any multiple number of illnesses from death of one friend from blood clots after 26 days to another friend's failure of a nerve pathway to his left leg, to sudden and severe cancer now known as Turbo Cancer
Now remember that most countries are signers of the Geneva Convention Treaty. This forbids GMOs except under special licensed cases. That is why Fauci took it to China. They are not a member of the Geneva onvention.
The "vaccines" are nothing of the sort but are themselves GMO's (Genetically Modified Organisms)
Do you know what China did to protect themselves? They simply inujected the spike protein which gave them protection via the immune sydtem against the SARS-Cov-2 virus.
Why did the vaccine companies illegally use an unnecessary GMO? Money.And the pretense that mRNA might become useful.Transcroiption of DNA to RNA is a known chemistry and the same enzumes work both ways. So putting mRNA into your body guarantees that
SARS Cov-2 IS NOT a dangerous virus I've had it twice, it is a respiratory virus and I have damaged lungs and it was no big deal. The vaccines ARE a huge deal espedcially if you took more than two shots.
There's a lot of that sort of thing in the popular press but
I happened to read a piece last evening by Dr Joseph Wang
(10 years microbiologist in vaccine development) which
referenced the recent Japan study. Japan has the world's
highest Pfizer mRNA shot incidence and has extensive whole
population (123 million) medical data for almost all Japanese.
Here's the actual paper, no paywall:
https://www.cureus.com/articles/196275-increased-age-adjusted-cancer-mortality-after-the-third-mrna-lipid-nanoparticle-vaccine-dose-during-the-covid-19-pandemic-in-japan#!/
On Thu, 2 May 2024 07:43:39 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:the vaccine.
On 5/1/2024 4:24 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Mon Apr 22 07:42:11 2024 AMuzi wrote:
On 4/21/2024 9:12 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/21/2024 4:19 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Fri Apr 19 19:20:03 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/19/2024 12:46 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
Why are you talking about bicycles? Shouldn't you be
telling us how all of the recent medical studies showing
large increases in cancer from the mRNA vaccines...
Well, it IS supposed to be a bicycle discussion group.
I'm sure there
are mRNA discussion groups. Won't they let you post there?
Frank, bicycling is an excercise and mRNA vaccines can
KILL you if you accept those vaccines.
Right, on Friday's club ride, they called for a county
snowplow to scrape rider corpses off the road so they could
ride. If only those people had listened to Tom Kunich
instead of their physicians with those silly medical degrees!
Won't they let you post on the forums where actual
physicians post? Is that why you spew medical nonsense here?
I'm not sure this is the best forum to discuss a complex
phenomenon but there's a grain of truth in it:
https://www.livescience.com/health/coronavirus/rare-clotting-effect-of-early-covid-shots-finally-explained-what-could-that-mean-for-future-vaccines
albeit overstated.
I sort of agree with you that this isn't a good place to discuss covid-19 but where is. Blood clotting was not a rare side effect. And those vaccines were administerred to Billionsillions of people causing the unmistakable deaths of millions.
It immediately became apparent that one out of every 800 people were dying from effects of the vaccines! Normally an acceptable number is one out of 100,000. And in child vacciunes less than one out of 10 million.
Almost all of the present excess deaths are to people under 40.And as I pointed out long ago, it is causing an AIDS-like syndrome that is pretty much unstoppable because RgG4 antibodies are telling your immune system not to repair the dammage from
you are changing the human genome. This causes any multiple number of illnesses from death of one friend from blood clots after 26 days to another friend's failure of a nerve pathway to his left leg, to sudden and severe cancer now known as Turbo Cancer
Now remember that most countries are signers of the Geneva Convention Treaty. This forbids GMOs except under special licensed cases. That is why Fauci took it to China. They are not a member of the Geneva onvention.
The "vaccines" are nothing of the sort but are themselves GMO's (Genetically Modified Organisms)
Do you know what China did to protect themselves? They simply inujected the spike protein which gave them protection via the immune sydtem against the SARS-Cov-2 virus.
Why did the vaccine companies illegally use an unnecessary GMO? Money.And the pretense that mRNA might become useful.Transcroiption of DNA to RNA is a known chemistry and the same enzumes work both ways. So putting mRNA into your body guarantees that
SARS Cov-2 IS NOT a dangerous virus I've had it twice, it is a respiratory virus and I have damaged lungs and it was no big deal. The vaccines ARE a huge deal espedcially if you took more than two shots.
There's a lot of that sort of thing in the popular press but
I happened to read a piece last evening by Dr Joseph Wang
(10 years microbiologist in vaccine development) which
referenced the recent Japan study. Japan has the world's
highest Pfizer mRNA shot incidence and has extensive whole
population (123 million) medical data for almost all Japanese.
Here's the actual paper, no paywall:
https://www.cureus.com/articles/196275-increased-age-adjusted-cancer-mortality-after-the-third-mrna-lipid-nanoparticle-vaccine-dose-during-the-covid-19-pandemic-in-japan#!/
At the bottom of the above article, there are 6 comments, 5 of which
are from physicians or MD's. All 6 complain that the findings were
not statistically significant. The article also emphasizes the
increase in AGE ADJUSTED mortality rate. This is for the US but works
well for most other countries: <https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/age>
Notice that the overall incidence cancer rates increase dramatically
with age.
If anything, the increased incidence rates in the study point out the
effects of age and the improved early cancer detection rates, as
indicated by the overall downward incidence trends. Note that even
with the inclusion of alleged vaccine induced cancers, the overall
rate still continues to decrease. See Fig 4.
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