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    From =?UTF-8?B?VG9tIEt1bmljaA==?=@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 4 19:08:44 2024
    On Mon Mar 4 13:03:50 2024 John B. wrote:
    On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 10:30:48 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 3 Mar 2024 18:39:31 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    https://nypost.com/2024/03/03/us-news/more-nyc-fires-caused-by-lithium-ion-batteries-in-two-months-than-in-all-of-2019-fdny-chief/

    The article seems to say that the older e-things are causing most of
    the problems. So, mandatory safety inspection and mandatory liability >insurgence :-)

    Works here and I might add when you are insuring the nation's, or
    States, entire fleet premiums should be quote manageable.

    The above "insurgence" is actually spelled "insurance" :-)

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    Cheers,

    John B.





    Are you trying to impress everyone that you can spot a typo and assume that everyone else isn't bright enough to do the same?

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?VG9tIEt1bmljaA==?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 6 16:00:51 2024
    On Wed Mar 6 08:24:20 2024 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 3/5/2024 11:38 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 3/5/2024 5:18 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Tue Mar 5 15:42:14 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 3/5/2024 11:38 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Mon Mar 4 14:57:02 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:


    So you're saying that it is perfectly safe to keep you electric car
    in your garage when you're asleep.

    It's certainly safe enough that I have never worried about it one bit. >>>
    But I admit, my universe seems much, much less dangerous than yours! You >>> post about new fears and dangers almost daily. I just shake my head at


    You think that putting an explosive device insite your garage is so
    safe that you don't mind sleeping near it in a wooden structure and
    put it down to MY fearfulness.

    Actually Frank, my answer to that would have been "yes tom, I put it
    down to your fearfulness".


    An explosive device in my garage? I did that for decades and decades -
    that is, various cars with 10+ gallon tanks of gasoline! Oooh, scary!!

    I still do it just a bit. There's no gasoline engine car in my garage,
    but there's a motorcycle, two lawn mowers, two rototillers, one
    snowblower and - gosh! - a portable gas can!

    I didn't realize how scary my garage was. I'd better look out the window and see if it's exploded yet!

    ...

    Nope, it's still there. You can relax, Tom. :-)


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    I know that you and Frank are stupid and cannot actually know anything. Gasoline is not classified as an explosive since it requires being converted to vapor phase and spark or flame ignition to actually make it burn. Most real engineers would know that
    there is a difference between being flammable like wood and being explosive like dynomite are different things. So both Frank and you show yourselves to not be nor ever been engineers.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?VG9tIEt1bmljaA==?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 6 16:45:42 2024
    On Wed Mar 6 08:24:20 2024 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 3/5/2024 11:38 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 3/5/2024 5:18 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Tue Mar 5 15:42:14 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 3/5/2024 11:38 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Mon Mar 4 14:57:02 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:


    So you're saying that it is perfectly safe to keep you electric car
    in your garage when you're asleep.

    It's certainly safe enough that I have never worried about it one bit. >>>
    But I admit, my universe seems much, much less dangerous than yours! You >>> post about new fears and dangers almost daily. I just shake my head at


    You think that putting an explosive device insite your garage is so
    safe that you don't mind sleeping near it in a wooden structure and
    put it down to MY fearfulness.

    Actually Frank, my answer to that would have been "yes tom, I put it
    down to your fearfulness".


    An explosive device in my garage? I did that for decades and decades -
    that is, various cars with 10+ gallon tanks of gasoline! Oooh, scary!!

    I still do it just a bit. There's no gasoline engine car in my garage,
    but there's a motorcycle, two lawn mowers, two rototillers, one
    snowblower and - gosh! - a portable gas can!

    I didn't realize how scary my garage was. I'd better look out the window and see if it's exploded yet!

    ...

    Nope, it's still there. You can relax, Tom. :-)




    https://www.evfiresafe.com/post/electric-car-explosions

    I don't know why my postings don't post all of the way but that's the breaks of the big time.

    As you can see by the statistics, Frank does everything wrong and claims that gasoline which is NOT explosive but inflamable and only under specific conditions where it can be changed into its vapor phase (winter cold won't allow gasoline to become vapor,
    is dangerous. He thinks that 1800 lbs of battery is more efficient than 90 lbs of gasoline. So much for his "training" as a mechanical engineer.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?VG9tIEt1bmljaA==?=@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 7 16:12:12 2024
    On Wed Mar 6 22:09:37 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 3/6/2024 5:33 PM, sms wrote:

    The issue with EV fires, both for cars and bicycles, is that they are
    most likely to occur during charging, and if charging at home they can
    end up burning down the house and/or killing someone.

    They "can" end up burning down the house, for some value of "can."

    The important question is, how _often_ is that "can"?


    From https://www.edmunds.com/electric-car/articles/electric-car-fires.html

    "The report found that the risk of an electric car battery catching fire
    was a thousandth of a percent (0.0012%). FireSafe noted that it was
    difficult to find similar data for internal combustion engine vehicles globally, but based on the reports the group looked at, it estimated
    fire risk at a tenth of a percent (0.1%)."

    Also "A common [sic] cause of electric car fires is damage to the
    vehicle's battery pack ? often from a serious crash." IOW, not from
    charging in one's garage or anywhere else.

    ("Common" is misused when discussing one thousandth of a percent.)

    Some general advice is pertinent here: If a person finds himself in even general agreement with Tom, it's a good idea to stop and think carefully before posting.

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    - Frank Krygowski





    As we all know, thoise cameras just happened to be pointed at EV's that chose for themselves to ignite or explode. There is no end of the excuses of EV owners that will claim just about anthing as an excuse to buy Joe Biden's "I have a DREAM - and I'm
    going to force it one you" speach.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?VG9tIEt1bmljaA==?=@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 8 16:07:09 2024
    On Thu Mar 7 14:07:30 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 07 Mar 2024 20:21:05 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    Show ONE gasoline ICE explosion. How many EV explosions do you have to see cited before you admit that EV's can explode causing dangerous fires. IF this occurs when you're driving down the road with your seat belt on, you will be VERY lucky to escape
    the fire.

    "Car Explodes at Gas Station After Driver Lights Cigarette" <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DBFVb2a7Mo>

    I watched something similar happen at the Santa Cruz Harbor fuel dock.
    The idiot that was filling his small fishing boat with gasoline, while smoking a cigarette, was launched about 50ft in the air and landed in
    the middle of the channel. Even though there was no confinement of
    the fuel vapors, the noise of the explosion was deafening.

    Ummm did you ever take photos of the scorch marks on Redwood Rd, where
    you claim EV's burned and melted into the asphalt?

    <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/QM7CD5zO3hc/m/dQ_wCTZqAQAJ> "EV fires are not a joke and on Redwood Rd. there are cars melted into
    the surface that are EV's after the fact. There is also one on Dublin
    Canyon Rd. These do NOT appear to have been wrecks but spontaneous
    combustion which is why Elon opened his own battery factory in Nevada
    so he could have tighter control over battery QC." <https://www.google.com/search?q=%22gasoline%22+%22explosion%22+car&tbm=vid> <https://www.google.com/search?q=%22gasoline%22+%22explosion%22+car&tbm=isch> Note that the quotation marks around the words "gasoline" and
    "explosion" insures that the links will have both words included.

    More gasoline car fires: <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/QM7CD5zO3hc/m/i0DOZ4FwAQAJ> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/QM7CD5zO3hc/m/y-YbT2YTAgAJ>

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    More blatant refusal to analyze what really occurred because Liebermann isn't smart enough to do so.

    If you look at the exoplosion you can see that there was a major leak of gasoline all over the pavement allowing it to vaporize. This was also all over the inside of the car. This was a "flashover" plainly seen by the driver being able to exit the car.
    It was not an explosion as such which was also plainly seen by the fact that the windshield wasn't broken or blown off.

    Liebhermann continues to insist that he is the world's greatest expert on anything contrary to what I say. If this was an explosion why was it so easily put out with fire extinquishers vs. the EV explosions killing the people inside? And the fact that
    fire departments no longer TRY to put out an EV fire?

    Liebermann, your extreme lack of intelligence continues to impress the entire world.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?VG9tIEt1bmljaA==?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 10 14:54:29 2024
    On Sun Mar 10 07:54:01 2024 zen cycle wrote:
    On 3/9/2024 11:48 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 3/9/2024 9:48 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Fri Mar 8 16:47:00 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 3/8/2024 12:05 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Thu Mar 7 23:39:41 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:

    Thanks for proving the worldwide total is not precisely zero, Tom. As >>>>> your site says, "14 EV explosion incidents since 2010 - that's from a >>>>> global market of 10 million EVs in operation..."

    14 cases out of ten million in a period of 12 years? And you think I >>>>> should pretend it's likely to happen to me?

    You really must live a life of constant fear!


    ... On Youtube you can watch videos of far more than 12 EV fires in
    China alone. And those were vehicles that happened to be in front of >>>> someone with a video camera handy. But, as I say, you are more than
    willing to lie because that is what you are.

    First, we should decide whether we're talking about "fires" or
    "explosions." Which is it? You first harangued about explosions, and
    that's what the 14 out of 10 million was about.

    If you want to talk about fires, you've already gotten several citations >>> documenting that gasoline engine cars are far more likely to burn (i.e. >>> have a fire) than electric powered cars.

    Again: From
    https://www.edmunds.com/electric-car/articles/electric-car-fires.html

    "The report found that the risk of an electric car battery catching fire >>> was a thousandth of a percent (0.0012%). FireSafe noted that it was
    difficult to find similar data for internal combustion engine vehicles >>> globally, but based on the reports the group looked at, it estimated
    fire risk at a tenth of a percent (0.1%)."

    Frank why am I living a life of constant fear...

    I don't know, Tom. Maybe a therapist can help you figure that out.


    Frank, give it up. There isn't anything you won't lie about...

    I'm not lying, Tom. I'm giving data I've found, with links. We should be able to discuss that data.

    You refuse to give links with actual data. Seems you're basing your
    fears on anecdotes and imagination rather than data.

    Or perhaps you're purposely lying.


    DING DING DING DING....WE HAVE A WINNAH!!!!!+




    There is a reason that you like saying "DING". Your fellow Fairies like to hear it when you're sucking them off. Tell us Flunky, when everyone is ordered out of work, how does the market go up?

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