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    From =?UTF-8?B?VG9tIEt1bmljaA==?=@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 24 20:34:12 2024
    On Tue Jan 9 22:44:40 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 1/9/2024 7:15 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

    Vying for the tin foil hat award AGAIN? You might as well be showing us SNOPES or other "fact check" data that is the same garbage. Unemployment at 3 1/2% Only someone completely blind would say that. People have been dropped from the workforce count
    because they do not go into the Office of Employment and file that they applied for 3 different jobs that week and providing the name of the businesses. Unemployment is so wide spread that even the post office is accepting people that cannot read!

    Hmm. Meanwhile the last couple restaurants I ate in both apologized for
    the slow service, saying they are having trouble hiring workers. "Help Wanted" signs abound here. It certainly doesn't seem like tons of
    starving people are desperately looking for work.

    --
    - Frank Krygowski





    Here you've got your choise, Mexican restaurants, Americanized Mexican restaurants (fewer peppers) or Chinese. There is one Italian restaurant in town and it is too expensive and there is one Turkish restaurant next door to it. There is one supposedly
    Greek Restaurant that wouldn't recogize Greek food if it was hit over the head with it. And the rest are fast food. All of the desent restaurants are out of business.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?VG9tIEt1bmljaA==?=@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 24 21:06:18 2024
    On Wed Jan 10 10:32:52 2024 sms wrote:
    On 1/9/2024 5:14 PM, John B. wrote:

    <snip>

    I read that minimum wages in California is now $16.00/hour or $124/8
    hour day, or $640 a 40 hour week.

    Many cities in California have higher minimum wages than the State
    minimum. For example, Sunnyvale is $18.55 per hour, and my city is
    $17.55 per hour. But even so, few businesses pay that little because
    they can't get enough workers to work for minimum wage. In 'N Out, a
    burger chain, starts at $21 per hour in Sunnyvale.

    That said, you're not going to be able to rent an apartment, by
    yourself, and have any money left over even at $880 per week. A low-paid worker will likely have to share housing with a spouse, partner, or
    roommate and will have multiple incomes contributing to living expenses.
    Just like a lot of people buying houses require two incomes to pay the mortgage and other expenses.

    One congressman keeps repeating "People earning the minimum wage can't
    afford a 2BR apartment anywhere in this country. Even while working full-time." That is true, but when did that become the expectation? Yes,
    the federal minimum wage is ridiculously low, thanks to Republicans, and should be raised to $15 per hour, but that congressman is way off-base.

    The unemployment rate is so low in this area that many businesses that
    used to get by paying minimum wage had to either rethink their business model, or close.

    If,as you tell us even a growing boy can't get by on that salary tell
    us how you make it on your S.S.?

    No idea how much "he who must not be named" receives in Social Security, likely about $3000 per month. In his situation, with a paid-off house,
    and low property taxes, he could definitely get by with his and his
    wife's Social Security, but it would not be a lavish lifestyle, and
    based on his prior posts, he did not make wise investments.

    --
    ?If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.??Tin Foil Awards




    He who must not be named has so much money that I don't know what to do with it all. I have a garage full of bicycles anbd no one can buy them because, like you, they are too expert to be able to make a living. I made 5 times more money than a years
    worth of property taxes last month alone and it was a bad month. I pay no income taxes and I watch experts like you complain about sales taxes. I do not desire a fancy, expensive new car. I have 9 bikes in the garage, another almost finished and two
    framesets. And now no one can afford a bike. So they sit.

    I just got back from a 25 mile bike ride and might take the wife out to the local restaurant after I shower. Food is now so expensive that it is about as much to go to the local restaurant as to eat out. That's about $50 for me and the wife.

    I have two inside cats and two outside cats.

    Gee, if ONLY I were and expert on a subject like you and Liebermann. Krygowski simply can't keep up with your two and Flunky was never and expert at anything. One of the guys I rode with today has an EE degree and spent 28 years at one job and 16 at
    another doing nothing but managing. Why did he spend that money? He could have gotten an AA in business management.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?VG9tIEt1bmljaA==?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 6 00:43:06 2024
    On Tue Mar 5 16:33:14 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:06:18 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    I made 5 times more money than a years worth of property taxes last month alone and it was a bad month. I pay no income taxes and I watch experts like you complain about sales taxes.

    Looking up your property tax history on the Alameda Country site, it
    shows that you paid $2,813.95 this year (2023-2024). Five times that
    would be:
    $2,814 * 5 = $14,070 per month
    $14,070 * 12 months/year = $168,840/year income.
    To go from $1 million to $2 million "worth" almost overnight, you
    would have had to have saved all the money you "made" for 5.9 years
    without spending any money on food, taxes, gasoline, bicycle, etc.
    That's not very likely.

    It's really amazing that you could make that much money in such a
    short time without a working knowledge of the arithmetic.


    --
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    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558




    My total worth drives you so crazy that you make up and entire tax myth that doesn't exist. But that's OK, we all know that you are stupid and don't pay you any attention.

    Adam Schiffty did a better job of getting Garvey elected than Garvey did. Schiff must have asked your advice.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?VG9tIEt1bmljaA==?=@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 8 15:55:59 2024
    On Wed Mar 6 14:47:49 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Wed, 6 Mar 2024 16:14:19 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/5/2024 7:33 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:06:18 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    I made 5 times more money than a years worth of property taxes last month alone and it was a bad month. I pay no income taxes and I watch experts like you complain about sales taxes.

    Looking up your property tax history on the Alameda Country site, it
    shows that you paid $2,813.95 this year (2023-2024). Five times that
    would be:
    $2,814 * 5 = $14,070 per month
    $14,070 * 12 months/year = $168,840/year income.
    To go from $1 million to $2 million "worth" almost overnight, you
    would have had to have saved all the money you "made" for 5.9 years
    without spending any money on food, taxes, gasoline, bicycle, etc.
    That's not very likely.

    It's really amazing that you could make that much money in such a
    short time without a working knowledge of the arithmetic.

    Not to mention how he made all that money in this horrible Biden recession!

    Yep, it's all Biden's fault:

    01/20/2023 <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/85qODEJbdFE/m/uHojwq_tAQAJ> "If I had not needed to cash in my stock option to gain cancer
    treatments for my mother and then getting a divorce, I would easily
    have been a multimillionaire. Instead I am only worth about a million
    and a half due to Biden's latest market recession."

    I'm surprised however you didn't note how he claims to be making that
    much without paying income tax - did tommy just admit to tax fraud?

    I did include *taxes*. See below.

    To go from $1 million to $2 million "worth" almost overnight, you
    would have had to have saved all the money you "made" for 5.9 years
    without spending any money on food, *taxes*, gasoline, bicycle, etc.
    That's not very likely.

    Hmmm... I just took a closer look at Tom's current property tax bill.
    After 2011, Tom paid both 1st and 2nd property tax payments before the
    1st payment was due, usually between October and December. Very good.
    Before 2011, Tom was routinely paying a 10% late fee for paying the
    first installment late. This time, he again began paying the 1st
    installment late, which again included a 10% ($134) late fee. Is Tom
    running out of cash? It's difficult to tell, but something certainly
    has changed.

    According to CA Govt Code ? 6254.21 (2021), Tom is entitled to hide
    his physical address and information in various ways. None of these
    ways would stop anyone beyond a total beginner from searching the
    internet and finding any public information. However, I'll pretend to
    follow the law and not provide URL's.


    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558



    So, according to Liebermann, after I had my head injury and had severe memory failures I was screwing up on my taxes. And after I started getting clear of that damage I started paying my taxes on time or early, Do you all have his intensely interested
    speel?

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?VG9tIEt1bmljaA==?=@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 8 16:22:28 2024
    On Thu Mar 7 14:27:21 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 13:57:00 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/6/2024 2:47 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

    What did I write that would inspire your comment?

    Tom is abusing and misusing the term "worth". His favorite self
    description is something like "I'm worth $1 million today". The term
    "worth" alone means the sum of all his assets without any
    considerations for liabilities, cost of sales, taxes, commissions, or
    any other costs involved in converting Tom's "worth" into cash. In
    other words, a useless description. "Net worth" would be a more
    accurate term:
    <https://www.investopedia.com/terms/n/networth.asp>
    "Net worth is the value of the assets a person or corporation owns,
    minus the liabilities they owe."
    At this time I don't know how deep in dept Tom might be. For all I
    know, Tom's "net worth" might be negative.

    Using the value of your house as part of your net worth is very
    misleading, especially in the Bay Area. That is not real money that you >have access to. You'd have to sell your property and pay a lot of
    capital gains taxes, then you'd have to move somewhere else and buy or >rent. There are no taxes on the paper increase in value of your house
    until you sell. To claim that that paper profit as income is ludicrous.

    There's also a reverse mortgage. Tom might have already done that in
    2011. Between 02/17/2010 and 10/23/2011, the house was listed for
    sale. The final entry was "listing removed" which means it didn't
    sell.

    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558




    So after I had my concussion and couldn't tell what was going on I did a lot of things that I wouldn't normally do. Where did you get the idea that I took out a reverse mortgage? In your hopeful imagination? I evidently did put the house up for sale
    since there was a MUCH more expensive house on Estidillo that I could have bought for the same price I was going to sell mine for and still keep my proposition 13 taxes. But that house rapidly soold and I took mine off of the market.

    This is what happens if you don't really know what you're doing and are taking the advice of your younger brother who was an economics dunce almost on a level with John who has trouble adding two and two.

    Tell me Liebermann, are you denying that I own my home which is a matter of public record? Reverse mortgages means that you SELL your home to the bank who become the legal owner. They pay you in installments and allow you to live in it until death. Or is
    your moronic brain incapable of handling these simple things?

    Again, every posting of yours demonstrates more and more that you have lost touch with reality. One of the effects of the mRNA vaccines is that there has been a large increase in dementia. I think that you should get yourself checked out. Or you can
    blather on here as if you were important. Joe Biden has been doing that.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?VG9tIEt1bmljaA==?=@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 8 17:15:05 2024
    On Fri Mar 8 08:29:29 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 15:55:59 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed Mar 6 14:47:49 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Wed, 6 Mar 2024 16:14:19 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/5/2024 7:33 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:06:18 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    I made 5 times more money than a years worth of property taxes last month alone and it was a bad month. I pay no income taxes and I watch experts like you complain about sales taxes.

    Looking up your property tax history on the Alameda Country site, it
    shows that you paid $2,813.95 this year (2023-2024). Five times that >> >> would be:
    $2,814 * 5 = $14,070 per month
    $14,070 * 12 months/year = $168,840/year income.
    To go from $1 million to $2 million "worth" almost overnight, you
    would have had to have saved all the money you "made" for 5.9 years
    without spending any money on food, taxes, gasoline, bicycle, etc.
    That's not very likely.

    It's really amazing that you could make that much money in such a
    short time without a working knowledge of the arithmetic.

    Not to mention how he made all that money in this horrible Biden recession!

    Yep, it's all Biden's fault:

    01/20/2023
    <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/85qODEJbdFE/m/uHojwq_tAQAJ>
    "If I had not needed to cash in my stock option to gain cancer
    treatments for my mother and then getting a divorce, I would easily
    have been a multimillionaire. Instead I am only worth about a million
    and a half due to Biden's latest market recession."

    I'm surprised however you didn't note how he claims to be making that
    much without paying income tax - did tommy just admit to tax fraud?

    I did include *taxes*. See below.

    To go from $1 million to $2 million "worth" almost overnight, you
    would have had to have saved all the money you "made" for 5.9 years
    without spending any money on food, *taxes*, gasoline, bicycle, etc.
    That's not very likely.

    Hmmm... I just took a closer look at Tom's current property tax bill.
    After 2011, Tom paid both 1st and 2nd property tax payments before the
    1st payment was due, usually between October and December. Very good.
    Before 2011, Tom was routinely paying a 10% late fee for paying the
    first installment late. This time, he again began paying the 1st
    installment late, which again included a 10% ($134) late fee. Is Tom
    running out of cash? It's difficult to tell, but something certainly
    has changed.

    According to CA Govt Code ? 6254.21 (2021), Tom is entitled to hide
    his physical address and information in various ways. None of these
    ways would stop anyone beyond a total beginner from searching the
    internet and finding any public information. However, I'll pretend to
    follow the law and not provide URL's.

    So, according to Liebermann, after I had my head injury and had severe memory failures I was screwing up on my taxes. And after I started getting clear of that damage I started paying my taxes on time or early, Do you all have his intensely interested
    speel?

    On Dec 12, 2016, you posted a message announcing that you had crashed
    on or before Dec 18, 2009. However, the message has disappeared or
    expired: <https://medium.com/@cyclintom/on-dec-18-2009-i-was-riding-my-bicycle-with-a-group-and-we-were-coming-off-of-a-bicycle-trail-9f9d582a9b42>
    It's rather odd that you should wait about 6 year to announce that you
    had crashed.

    <https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:ugcPost:6912346811772932096/
    "I got a severe concussion in 2010 that led to a type of seizures that
    I didn't remember afterwards. This wasn't discovered and treated
    properly until 2012 after 4 car wrecks luckily without any injuries"

    I really don't know the sequence of events, but if these postings are correct, you should have had plenty of time to sign obtain the reverse mortgage before you crashed, before the big banks exited the market in 2011-2012, and before you resumed paying your taxes (1st payment) on
    time.

    Busy for a day or three.


    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558




    Then by all means show the public reacords of my sell of my home to a bank. Or admit that as usual you are totally wrong.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?VG9tIEt1bmljaA==?=@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 8 17:24:49 2024
    On Thu Mar 7 15:50:13 2024 sms wrote:
    On 3/7/2024 2:27 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

    <snip>

    There's also a reverse mortgage. Tom might have already done that in
    2011. Between 02/17/2010 and 10/23/2011, the house was listed for
    sale. The final entry was "listing removed" which means it didn't
    sell.

    Possible, but unlikely, that he would fall for the reverse-mortgage scam.

    Banks are so picky right now that they're not going to lend a lot of
    money to someone with no job, no assets other than some home equity, and
    only income from Social Security.

    --
    ?If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.??Tin Foil Awards





    Steven, reverse mortages are not a scam. But they are almost always a bad deal. When I hadn't remarried my wife, were I to not have any money in the Biden hyper inflation economy, it might have made sense to sell my home to the bank. They become the
    owner, pay me in installments and allow me to live here until I die.

    After Obama's Great Recession, which Flunky does not believe in, (BTW, this is a pure indication that Flunky does not have any investments) my investments went from $880,000 to $330,000 or more aptly, I was ruined. But Trump and Stifel brought me back to
    wealthy. So it looks like next year is going to be very enriching.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?VG9tIEt1bmljaA==?=@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 8 17:28:05 2024
    On Fri Mar 8 10:53:16 2024 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 3/7/2024 6:50 PM, sms wrote:
    On 3/7/2024 2:27 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

    <snip>

    There's also a reverse mortgage. Tom might have already done that in
    2011. Between 02/17/2010 and 10/23/2011, the house was listed for
    sale. The final entry was "listing removed" which means it didn't
    sell.

    Possible, but unlikely, that he would fall for the reverse-mortgage scam.

    wait...you remember this is kunich we're talking about...the guy who
    thinks there was no recession before obama took office and thinks the secretary of the treasury directs the chairman of the fed.....is
    unlikely to fall for a financial scam?

    Setting aside that imo tommy is probably the _most_ likely person in
    this forum to get scammed, I don't think reverse mortgages are any more susceptible to fraud or mismanagement than any other mortgage-type of financial tool. Certain types of reverse mortgages are sponsored and guaranteed by the government.

    https://www.forbes.com/advisor/mortgages/reverse-mortgages/




    Banks are so picky right now that they're not going to lend a lot of
    money to someone with no job, no assets other than some home equity, and only income from Social Security.


    Actually, someone with no job, no assets other than some home equity,
    and only income from Social Security are exactly the demographic that
    reverse mortgages target, especially those run by less reputable companies.

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    Add xx to reply





    Wait! This is the guy who believes that a downturn in the economy before he entered office was some sort of guarantee of a recession of the size it was. The sheer ignorance of Flunky is pretty unbelievable. The fact is that the Great Recession occured
    under Obama no matter how much he tries to deny it.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?VG9tIEt1bmljaA==?=@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 8 17:30:00 2024
    On Fri Mar 8 10:53:16 2024 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 3/7/2024 6:50 PM, sms wrote:
    On 3/7/2024 2:27 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

    <snip>

    There's also a reverse mortgage. Tom might have already done that in
    2011. Between 02/17/2010 and 10/23/2011, the house was listed for
    sale. The final entry was "listing removed" which means it didn't
    sell.

    Possible, but unlikely, that he would fall for the reverse-mortgage scam.

    wait...you remember this is kunich we're talking about...the guy who
    thinks there was no recession before obama took office and thinks the secretary of the treasury directs the chairman of the fed.....is
    unlikely to fall for a financial scam?

    Setting aside that imo tommy is probably the _most_ likely person in
    this forum to get scammed, I don't think reverse mortgages are any more susceptible to fraud or mismanagement than any other mortgage-type of financial tool. Certain types of reverse mortgages are sponsored and guaranteed by the government.

    https://www.forbes.com/advisor/mortgages/reverse-mortgages/




    Banks are so picky right now that they're not going to lend a lot of
    money to someone with no job, no assets other than some home equity, and only income from Social Security.


    Actually, someone with no job, no assets other than some home equity,
    and only income from Social Security are exactly the demographic that
    reverse mortgages target, especially those run by less reputable companies.

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    Add xx to reply





    I am certainly glad that I wasn't born into a life of ignorance and stupidity as you were.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?VG9tIEt1bmljaA==?=@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 9 15:11:04 2024
    On Fri Mar 8 16:53:19 2024 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 3/8/2024 4:36 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 3/8/2024 12:24 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

    After Obama's Great Recession, which Flunky does not believe in, (BTW,
    this is a pure indication that Flunky does not have any investments)
    my investments went from $880,000 to $330,000 or more aptly, I was
    ruined.

    What in HELL did you invest in? It must not have been U.S. stocks. See https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019/business/stock-market-by-president/index.html


    Tommy didn't invest in anything. He has no investments other than his
    house which his mom gave to him. He never lost anything during the bush/cheney recession because he didn't have anything invested.

    He's so brole he can't even afford to replace the clogged faucets in his house, and he's such a cuckold his wife wouldn't let him spend the money
    on it anyway.

    IOW, he was ruined before he ever got a start.

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    Yet more evidence that you're a queer. Tell me Flunky - do you suppose for one second that anyone but the stupid 4 believes your bullshit? Am I suppose to care when I called up my investment counseller yesterday and asked him to send me $4,000 for dental
    work? It will be directly tramsferred to my bank account Monday. And gosh, I'm so afraid that you won't believe that. Strange that my dentist who just charged me $993 f0or repairing 3 cavities and the Reveal Diagnostics which did a full bone density scan
    to check for possible implants at $660 seemed satisfied with their payment.

    I ordered an FSA 386EVO bottom bracket from a Colorado comopany 4 days ago and they still haven't mailed it. They must be almost as competent as you are.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?VG9tIEt1bmljaA==?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 10 14:47:18 2024
    On Sun Mar 10 07:52:31 2024 zen cycle wrote:
    On 3/10/2024 12:39 AM, sms wrote:
    On 3/8/2024 1:53 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 3/8/2024 4:36 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 3/8/2024 12:24 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

    After Obama's Great Recession, which Flunky does not believe in,
    (BTW, this is a pure indication that Flunky does not have any
    investments) my investments went from $880,000 to $330,000 or more
    aptly, I was ruined.

    What in HELL did you invest in? It must not have been U.S. stocks. See >>> https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019/business/stock-market-by-president/index.html


    Tommy didn't invest in anything. He has no investments other than his
    house which his mom gave to him. He never lost anything during the
    bush/cheney recession because he didn't have anything invested.

    He's so brole he can't even afford to replace the clogged faucets in
    his house, and he's such a cuckold his wife wouldn't let him spend the
    money on it anyway.

    IOW, he was ruined before he ever got a start.


    He?s just confused about what the market did and when.

    Clinton
    -------
    1993 9.97%
    1994 1.33%
    1995 37.20%
    1996 22.68%
    1997 33.10%
    1998 28.34%
    1999 20.89%
    2000 -9.03%

    Obama
    -----
    2009 +25.94%
    2010 +14.82%
    2011 +2.10%
    2012 +15.89%
    2013 +32.15%
    2014 +13.52%
    2015 +1.38%
    2016 +11.77%

    Biden
    -----
    2021 +28.70%
    2022 -25.00%
    2023 +26.29%

    It was 2001-2008, during the George W. Bush presidency, when the market
    had some steep declines due to the Republican-caused recession. The root cause of the recession was defaults on mortgage loans, caused by
    Republican deregulation of the banking industry. It was Republicans that sought to weaken bank regulation.

    Historically, the stock market has done better under Democratic administrations, ?the S&P 500 returned 8.4% annually on average under Democrats, versus 2.7% under Republicans, a difference of 5.7%
    percentage points.?

    However it's important to understand that the stock market is not necessarily the best indication of how the economy is doing. The
    employment rate and unemployment rate are also important. Employment
    went up by 0.13% under W, 1.04% under Obama, fell 0.51% under Trump, and has gone up by 4.3% under Biden. For unemployment, the unemployment rate fell under Democratic presidents by an average of 0.8 percentage points, while it increased under Republican presidents by an average of 1.1 percentage points.


    I know that, you know that, tom knows that. Pretty much everyone knows
    that. Tom isn't confused, he's lying.




    Only Flunky is so much of a Flunky that he believes that when the ENTIRE economy was shut down that the market gained 28%. Your psychosis is so strong that you would in past years be placed in a sanitarium.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From =?UTF-8?B?VG9tIEt1bmljaA==?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 10 14:43:36 2024
    On Sat Mar 9 21:39:21 2024 sms wrote:
    On 3/8/2024 1:53 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 3/8/2024 4:36 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 3/8/2024 12:24 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

    After Obama's Great Recession, which Flunky does not believe in,
    (BTW, this is a pure indication that Flunky does not have any
    investments) my investments went from $880,000 to $330,000 or more
    aptly, I was ruined.

    What in HELL did you invest in? It must not have been U.S. stocks. See
    https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019/business/stock-market-by-president/index.html


    Tommy didn't invest in anything. He has no investments other than his
    house which his mom gave to him. He never lost anything during the bush/cheney recession because he didn't have anything invested.

    He's so brole he can't even afford to replace the clogged faucets in his house, and he's such a cuckold his wife wouldn't let him spend the money
    on it anyway.

    IOW, he was ruined before he ever got a start.


    He?s just confused about what the market did and when.

    Clinton
    -------
    1993 9.97%
    1994 1.33%
    1995 37.20%
    1996 22.68%
    1997 33.10%
    1998 28.34%
    1999 20.89%
    2000 -9.03%

    Obama
    -----
    2009 +25.94%
    2010 +14.82%
    2011 +2.10%
    2012 +15.89%
    2013 +32.15%
    2014 +13.52%
    2015 +1.38%
    2016 +11.77%

    Biden
    -----
    2021 +28.70%
    2022 -25.00%
    2023 +26.29%

    It was 2001-2008, during the George W. Bush presidency, when the market
    had some steep declines due to the Republican-caused recession. The root cause of the recession was defaults on mortgage loans, caused by
    Republican deregulation of the banking industry. It was Republicans that sought to weaken bank regulation.

    Historically, the stock market has done better under Democratic administrations, ?the S&P 500 returned 8.4% annually on average under Democrats, versus 2.7% under Republicans, a difference of 5.7%
    percentage points.?

    However it's important to understand that the stock market is not
    necessarily the best indication of how the economy is doing. The
    employment rate and unemployment rate are also important. Employment
    went up by 0.13% under W, 1.04% under Obama, fell 0.51% under Trump, and
    has gone up by 4.3% under Biden. For unemployment, the unemployment rate
    fell under Democratic presidents by an average of 0.8 percentage points, while it increased under Republican presidents by an average of 1.1 percentage points.

    --
    ?If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.??Tin Foil Awards





    Scharf, the very fact that you believe that garbage (in Ehgland, they changed the way excessive deaths were calculated so that 15% excess deaths were marked as LESS than normal deaths) proves that you're a penniless deadbeat with no investments at all.

    Half of the workforce was put out of work and you fucking believe that the market went up 25%. You're so stupid that you can be told up is down by the Democrats and you would believe it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From =?UTF-8?B?VG9tIEt1bmljaA==?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 10 15:21:18 2024
    On Sun Mar 10 07:52:31 2024 zen cycle wrote:
    On 3/10/2024 12:39 AM, sms wrote:
    On 3/8/2024 1:53 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 3/8/2024 4:36 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 3/8/2024 12:24 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

    After Obama's Great Recession, which Flunky does not believe in,
    (BTW, this is a pure indication that Flunky does not have any
    investments) my investments went from $880,000 to $330,000 or more
    aptly, I was ruined.

    What in HELL did you invest in? It must not have been U.S. stocks. See >>> https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019/business/stock-market-by-president/index.html


    Tommy didn't invest in anything. He has no investments other than his
    house which his mom gave to him. He never lost anything during the
    bush/cheney recession because he didn't have anything invested.

    He's so brole he can't even afford to replace the clogged faucets in
    his house, and he's such a cuckold his wife wouldn't let him spend the
    money on it anyway.

    IOW, he was ruined before he ever got a start.


    He?s just confused about what the market did and when.

    Clinton
    -------
    1993 9.97%
    1994 1.33%
    1995 37.20%
    1996 22.68%
    1997 33.10%
    1998 28.34%
    1999 20.89%
    2000 -9.03%

    Obama
    -----
    2009 +25.94%
    2010 +14.82%
    2011 +2.10%
    2012 +15.89%
    2013 +32.15%
    2014 +13.52%
    2015 +1.38%
    2016 +11.77%

    Biden
    -----
    2021 +28.70%
    2022 -25.00%
    2023 +26.29%

    It was 2001-2008, during the George W. Bush presidency, when the market
    had some steep declines due to the Republican-caused recession. The root cause of the recession was defaults on mortgage loans, caused by
    Republican deregulation of the banking industry. It was Republicans that sought to weaken bank regulation.

    Historically, the stock market has done better under Democratic administrations, ?the S&P 500 returned 8.4% annually on average under Democrats, versus 2.7% under Republicans, a difference of 5.7%
    percentage points.?

    However it's important to understand that the stock market is not necessarily the best indication of how the economy is doing. The
    employment rate and unemployment rate are also important. Employment
    went up by 0.13% under W, 1.04% under Obama, fell 0.51% under Trump, and has gone up by 4.3% under Biden. For unemployment, the unemployment rate fell under Democratic presidents by an average of 0.8 percentage points, while it increased under Republican presidents by an average of 1.1 percentage points.


    I know that, you know that, tom knows that. Pretty much everyone knows
    that. Tom isn't confused, he's lying.




    Oh, poor little baby without a cent to his name with his only alternative to other people having better sense than he has knowing how to save money is to deny, deny, deny, deny. Tell us about having a "wife" again who was never mentioned ONCE in all of
    these years until I noticed that your method of speech was just like those queers I interviewed. I suppose you could be married but then your never mentioning her once could only mean that she means absolutely nothing to you. But after you used the term "
    pussy whipped" that was so much like a queer that I am positive that you're in the bucket with the rest of the boys.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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