• Welcome our robot overlords

    From AMuzi@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 9 10:02:52 2024
    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/driverless-waymo-car-hits-cyclist-san-francisco-causes-minor-scratches-2024-02-07/
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Fri Feb 9 13:48:16 2024
    On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 10:02:52 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/driverless-waymo-car-hits-cyclist-san-francisco-causes-minor-scratches-2024-02-07/

    It's worse when the bots ride shotgun:

    <https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/>

    ..... unless you don't mind sharing your "sexual activity"(or
    absence of) with thousands of "trusted partners".

    It's so bad Teslas won't run if you turn off surveillance.

    That said, and more on topic.

    Something makes a "ping" every time my back wheel goes round.
    Not so when I dismount and spin the wheel. I've tapped all the spokes,
    none appear loose.
    Any ideas?
    []'s
    --
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    We have a new policy - Google 2012
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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Shadow on Fri Feb 9 11:05:43 2024
    On 2/9/2024 10:48 AM, Shadow wrote:
    On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 10:02:52 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/driverless-waymo-car-hits-cyclist-san-francisco-causes-minor-scratches-2024-02-07/

    It's worse when the bots ride shotgun:

    <https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/>

    ..... unless you don't mind sharing your "sexual activity"(or
    absence of) with thousands of "trusted partners".

    It's so bad Teslas won't run if you turn off surveillance.

    That said, and more on topic.

    Something makes a "ping" every time my back wheel goes round.
    Not so when I dismount and spin the wheel. I've tapped all the spokes,
    none appear loose.
    Any ideas?
    []'s

    Flex spokes in pairs with your hands. Do the spoke crosses
    click when flexed? Did you find broken spoke? Those two are
    the most the likely to fit your description.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Tom Kunich on Fri Feb 9 12:24:34 2024
    On 2/9/2024 12:13 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 9:05:47 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
    On 2/9/2024 10:48 AM, Shadow wrote:
    On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 10:02:52 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/driverless-waymo-car-hits-cyclist-san-francisco-causes-minor-scratches-2024-02-07/

    It's worse when the bots ride shotgun:

    <https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/>

    ..... unless you don't mind sharing your "sexual activity"(or
    absence of) with thousands of "trusted partners".

    It's so bad Teslas won't run if you turn off surveillance.

    That said, and more on topic.

    Something makes a "ping" every time my back wheel goes round.
    Not so when I dismount and spin the wheel. I've tapped all the spokes,
    none appear loose.
    Any ideas?
    []'s
    Flex spokes in pairs with your hands. Do the spoke crosses
    click when flexed? Did you find broken spoke? Those two are
    the most the likely to fit your description.

    I have a Garmin cadence sensor on the crank. It is the Type 2 held onto with the rubber holder. It is a little high on the crank and every rotation of the crank it makes a squeaking as my shoe rubs up against the rubber.

    That would time to crank rpm, not wheel rotation.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Fri Feb 9 15:46:14 2024
    On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:05:43 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 2/9/2024 10:48 AM, Shadow wrote:
    On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 10:02:52 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/driverless-waymo-car-hits-cyclist-san-francisco-causes-minor-scratches-2024-02-07/

    It's worse when the bots ride shotgun:

    <https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/>

    ..... unless you don't mind sharing your "sexual activity"(or
    absence of) with thousands of "trusted partners".

    It's so bad Teslas won't run if you turn off surveillance.

    That said, and more on topic.

    Something makes a "ping" every time my back wheel goes round.
    Not so when I dismount and spin the wheel. I've tapped all the spokes,
    none appear loose.
    Any ideas?
    []'s

    Flex spokes in pairs with your hands. Do the spoke crosses
    click when flexed?

    They all do. Rather, they make a grinding sound. They all have a
    slight layer of corrosion. I've never lubed my spokes, didn't think it
    was necessary...

    Did you find broken spoke?

    No broken spokes. Wheels are true, no wobbles.

    Those two are the most the likely to fit your description.

    Thanks. I'll get a friend to listen for me. Maybe she'll hear
    something I didn't.
    []'s
    --
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    We have a new policy - Google 2012
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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to cyclintom@gmail.com on Fri Feb 9 15:56:23 2024
    On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 10:13:11 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
    <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 9:05:47?AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
    On 2/9/2024 10:48 AM, Shadow wrote:
    On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 10:02:52 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/driverless-waymo-car-hits-cyclist-san-francisco-causes-minor-scratches-2024-02-07/

    It's worse when the bots ride shotgun:

    <https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/>

    ..... unless you don't mind sharing your "sexual activity"(or
    absence of) with thousands of "trusted partners".

    It's so bad Teslas won't run if you turn off surveillance.

    That said, and more on topic.

    Something makes a "ping" every time my back wheel goes round.
    Not so when I dismount and spin the wheel. I've tapped all the spokes,
    none appear loose.
    Any ideas?
    []'s
    Flex spokes in pairs with your hands. Do the spoke crosses
    click when flexed? Did you find broken spoke? Those two are
    the most the likely to fit your description.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    a...@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971
    I have a Garmin cadence sensor on the crank. It is the Type 2 held onto with the rubber holder. It is a little high on the crank and every rotation of the crank it makes a squeaking as my shoe rubs up against the rubber.

    The sound comes from the back wheel, not the crank. It's once
    every turn. Thought it might be something catching on the brake rotor,
    but sound disappears when I dismount, and rotor is not warped, and
    there's nothing near the rotor other than the caliper.
    It's a stress thing. I'm heavy (> 100kg) though not
    overweight...
    []'s
    --
    Don't be evil - Google 2004
    We have a new policy - Google 2012
    Google Fuchsia - 2021

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Shadow on Fri Feb 9 13:01:22 2024
    On 2/9/2024 12:46 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:05:43 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 2/9/2024 10:48 AM, Shadow wrote:
    On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 10:02:52 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/driverless-waymo-car-hits-cyclist-san-francisco-causes-minor-scratches-2024-02-07/

    It's worse when the bots ride shotgun:

    <https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/>

    ..... unless you don't mind sharing your "sexual activity"(or
    absence of) with thousands of "trusted partners".

    It's so bad Teslas won't run if you turn off surveillance.

    That said, and more on topic.

    Something makes a "ping" every time my back wheel goes round.
    Not so when I dismount and spin the wheel. I've tapped all the spokes,
    none appear loose.
    Any ideas?
    []'s

    Flex spokes in pairs with your hands. Do the spoke crosses
    click when flexed?

    They all do. Rather, they make a grinding sound. They all have a
    slight layer of corrosion. I've never lubed my spokes, didn't think it
    was necessary...

    Did you find broken spoke?

    No broken spokes. Wheels are true, no wobbles.

    Those two are the most the likely to fit your description.

    Thanks. I'll get a friend to listen for me. Maybe she'll hear
    something I didn't.
    []'s

    You can place a drop of oil at the crossings and test ride
    to confirm that's the source of noise.

    If so, there's no simple cure. Low spoke tension allows
    more wheel flex/spoke deformation and the crosses abrade
    with a notch where they touch. Next time you rebuild, use a
    tensiometer to rim manufacturer's spec.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to Shadow on Fri Feb 9 14:45:26 2024
    On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 15:46:14 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:

    On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:05:43 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 2/9/2024 10:48 AM, Shadow wrote:
    On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 10:02:52 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/driverless-waymo-car-hits-cyclist-san-francisco-causes-minor-scratches-2024-02-07/

    It's worse when the bots ride shotgun:

    <https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/>

    ..... unless you don't mind sharing your "sexual activity"(or
    absence of) with thousands of "trusted partners".

    It's so bad Teslas won't run if you turn off surveillance.

    That said, and more on topic.

    Something makes a "ping" every time my back wheel goes round.
    Not so when I dismount and spin the wheel. I've tapped all the spokes,
    none appear loose.
    Any ideas?
    []'s

    Flex spokes in pairs with your hands. Do the spoke crosses
    click when flexed?

    They all do. Rather, they make a grinding sound. They all have a
    slight layer of corrosion. I've never lubed my spokes, didn't think it
    was necessary...

    Did you find broken spoke?

    No broken spokes. Wheels are true, no wobbles.

    Those two are the most the likely to fit your description.

    Thanks. I'll get a friend to listen for me. Maybe she'll hear
    something I didn't.
    []'s

    It seems likelt to be a spoke issue. They tighten and relax as they
    rotate wirh weight on the wheel.

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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to cyclintom@gmail.com on Fri Feb 9 14:42:18 2024
    On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 10:13:11 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
    <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 9:05:47?AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
    On 2/9/2024 10:48 AM, Shadow wrote:
    On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 10:02:52 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/driverless-waymo-car-hits-cyclist-san-francisco-causes-minor-scratches-2024-02-07/

    It's worse when the bots ride shotgun:

    <https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/>

    ..... unless you don't mind sharing your "sexual activity"(or
    absence of) with thousands of "trusted partners".

    It's so bad Teslas won't run if you turn off surveillance.

    That said, and more on topic.

    Something makes a "ping" every time my back wheel goes round.
    Not so when I dismount and spin the wheel. I've tapped all the spokes,
    none appear loose.
    Any ideas?
    []'s
    Flex spokes in pairs with your hands. Do the spoke crosses
    click when flexed? Did you find broken spoke? Those two are
    the most the likely to fit your description.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    a...@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971
    I have a Garmin cadence sensor on the crank. It is the Type 2 held onto with the rubber holder. It is a little high on the crank and every rotation of the crank it makes a squeaking as my shoe rubs up against the rubber.

    It should be on the inside.

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Fri Feb 9 17:37:20 2024
    On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 13:01:22 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 2/9/2024 12:46 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:05:43 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 2/9/2024 10:48 AM, Shadow wrote:
    On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 10:02:52 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/driverless-waymo-car-hits-cyclist-san-francisco-causes-minor-scratches-2024-02-07/

    It's worse when the bots ride shotgun:

    <https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/>

    ..... unless you don't mind sharing your "sexual activity"(or
    absence of) with thousands of "trusted partners".

    It's so bad Teslas won't run if you turn off surveillance.

    That said, and more on topic.

    Something makes a "ping" every time my back wheel goes round.
    Not so when I dismount and spin the wheel. I've tapped all the spokes, >>>> none appear loose.
    Any ideas?

    Flex spokes in pairs with your hands. Do the spoke crosses
    click when flexed?

    They all do. Rather, they make a grinding sound. They all have a
    slight layer of corrosion. I've never lubed my spokes, didn't think it
    was necessary...

    Did you find broken spoke?

    No broken spokes. Wheels are true, no wobbles.

    Those two are the most the likely to fit your description.

    Thanks. I'll get a friend to listen for me. Maybe she'll hear
    something I didn't.

    You can place a drop of oil at the crossings and test ride
    to confirm that's the source of noise.

    OK, I put a small drop of SAE 140 oil on each crossing. Thick
    so it doesn't run all over the place. Bar heavy rains, I'll be doing
    my 10km tomorrow morning. I'll report back.

    If so, there's no simple cure. Low spoke tension allows
    more wheel flex/spoke deformation and the crosses abrade
    with a notch where they touch. Next time you rebuild, use a
    tensiometer to rim manufacturer's spec.

    If I can find a mechanic that has one. I live in the interior
    of Brazil. I get everything bike-related through the mail. No local
    bike shops.
    []'s
    --
    Don't be evil - Google 2004
    We have a new policy - Google 2012
    Google Fuchsia - 2021

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Shadow on Fri Feb 9 14:46:49 2024
    On 2/9/2024 2:37 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 13:01:22 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 2/9/2024 12:46 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:05:43 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 2/9/2024 10:48 AM, Shadow wrote:
    On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 10:02:52 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/driverless-waymo-car-hits-cyclist-san-francisco-causes-minor-scratches-2024-02-07/

    It's worse when the bots ride shotgun:

    <https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/>

    ..... unless you don't mind sharing your "sexual activity"(or
    absence of) with thousands of "trusted partners".

    It's so bad Teslas won't run if you turn off surveillance.

    That said, and more on topic.

    Something makes a "ping" every time my back wheel goes round.
    Not so when I dismount and spin the wheel. I've tapped all the spokes, >>>>> none appear loose.
    Any ideas?

    Flex spokes in pairs with your hands. Do the spoke crosses
    click when flexed?

    They all do. Rather, they make a grinding sound. They all have a
    slight layer of corrosion. I've never lubed my spokes, didn't think it
    was necessary...

    Did you find broken spoke?

    No broken spokes. Wheels are true, no wobbles.

    Those two are the most the likely to fit your description.

    Thanks. I'll get a friend to listen for me. Maybe she'll hear
    something I didn't.

    You can place a drop of oil at the crossings and test ride
    to confirm that's the source of noise.

    OK, I put a small drop of SAE 140 oil on each crossing. Thick
    so it doesn't run all over the place. Bar heavy rains, I'll be doing
    my 10km tomorrow morning. I'll report back.

    If so, there's no simple cure. Low spoke tension allows
    more wheel flex/spoke deformation and the crosses abrade
    with a notch where they touch. Next time you rebuild, use a
    tensiometer to rim manufacturer's spec.

    If I can find a mechanic that has one. I live in the interior
    of Brazil. I get everything bike-related through the mail. No local
    bike shops.
    []'s

    I have no experience but others here have noted a web based
    program to translate the audio frequency of a plucked spoke
    to a wire tension value.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to cyclintom@gmail.com on Fri Feb 9 16:42:29 2024
    On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 13:10:42 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
    <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 11:42:22?AM UTC-8, Catrike Ryder wrote:
    On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 10:13:11 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
    <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 9:05:47?AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
    On 2/9/2024 10:48 AM, Shadow wrote:
    On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 10:02:52 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >> >> >
    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/driverless-waymo-car-hits-cyclist-san-francisco-causes-minor-scratches-2024-02-07/

    It's worse when the bots ride shotgun:

    <https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/>

    ..... unless you don't mind sharing your "sexual activity"(or
    absence of) with thousands of "trusted partners".

    It's so bad Teslas won't run if you turn off surveillance.

    That said, and more on topic.

    Something makes a "ping" every time my back wheel goes round.
    Not so when I dismount and spin the wheel. I've tapped all the spokes, >> >> > none appear loose.
    Any ideas?
    []'s
    Flex spokes in pairs with your hands. Do the spoke crosses
    click when flexed? Did you find broken spoke? Those two are
    the most the likely to fit your description.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    a...@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971
    I have a Garmin cadence sensor on the crank. It is the Type 2 held onto with the rubber holder. It is a little high on the crank and every rotation of the crank it makes a squeaking as my shoe rubs up against the rubber.
    It should be on the inside.
    It is on the inside but the rubber mount goes all the way around the crank.

    I use pedal spacers. I guess that's why I don't have that problem.

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to Shadow on Sat Feb 10 11:17:08 2024
    On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 17:37:20 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:

    On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 13:01:22 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    You can place a drop of oil at the crossings and test ride
    to confirm that's the source of noise.

    OK, I put a small drop of SAE 140 oil on each crossing. Thick
    so it doesn't run all over the place. Bar heavy rains, I'll be doing
    my 10km tomorrow morning. I'll report back.

    Silent down the hill, round the lake(when it usually starts complaining) but started pinging uphill back home.
    So, pretty sure it's the spokes.
    []'s

    If so, there's no simple cure. Low spoke tension allows
    more wheel flex/spoke deformation and the crosses abrade
    with a notch where they touch. Next time you rebuild, use a
    tensiometer to rim manufacturer's spec.
    --
    Don't be evil - Google 2004
    We have a new policy - Google 2012
    Google Fuchsia - 2021

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to frkrygow@sbcglobal.net on Sat Feb 10 12:38:42 2024
    On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 21:32:51 -0500, Frank Krygowski
    <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2/9/2024 3:37 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 13:01:22 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:


    If so, there's no simple cure. Low spoke tension allows
    more wheel flex/spoke deformation and the crosses abrade
    with a notch where they touch. Next time you rebuild, use a
    tensiometer to rim manufacturer's spec.

    If I can find a mechanic that has one. I live in the interior
    of Brazil. I get everything bike-related through the mail. No local
    bike shops.

    Well, there's this:
    https://sheldonbrown.com/spoke-pitch.html

    That's probably where I read about tapping the spokes with a screwdriver and listening to the sound. Back in the day when I had a
    single speed 28" wheel bike and did all the maintenance myself,
    Sheldon's site was a must-read. Can hardly believe he's been dead for
    over 16 years.


    And if you have a smartphone, it's easy to install a "tuner" app that
    will give you the frequency of a tone.

    I'll get someone to listen for me. The sound is certainly
    "duller" than on my old bike, but the spokes are much thicker, and
    probably shorter.

    PS I'd rather use a recorder and analyze the frequency on my
    PC with something like Audacity. I hate smartphones.
    []'s
    --
    Don't be evil - Google 2004
    We have a new policy - Google 2012
    Google Fuchsia - 2021

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  • From pH@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Sat Feb 10 19:19:03 2024
    On 2024-02-09, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/driverless-waymo-car-hits-cyclist-san-francisco-causes-minor-scratches-2024-02-07/

    I don't doubt this for a moment but I know we've all
    seen some pretty iffy cyclist behaviour in cities (or
    lotsa places, for that matter).

    It could very well be the decision making software
    just can't react quickly enought to darting cyclists.

    I don't know the particulars of the case, just
    bloviating about it in general.

    I wonder how the law will end up adjudicating cases
    like this when a machine is one of the drivers?

    (We need our Seattle lawyer guy posting again...I
    forget his name, though.)

    pH

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 10 14:05:04 2024
    On 2/10/2024 1:19 PM, pH wrote:
    On 2024-02-09, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/driverless-waymo-car-hits-cyclist-san-francisco-causes-minor-scratches-2024-02-07/

    I don't doubt this for a moment but I know we've all
    seen some pretty iffy cyclist behaviour in cities (or
    lotsa places, for that matter).

    It could very well be the decision making software
    just can't react quickly enought to darting cyclists.

    I don't know the particulars of the case, just
    bloviating about it in general.

    I wonder how the law will end up adjudicating cases
    like this when a machine is one of the drivers?

    (We need our Seattle lawyer guy posting again...I
    forget his name, though.)

    pH


    Criminal liability is a great question.

    The usual civil liability is on the registered owner, not
    the driver. No driver, no problem.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Frank Krygowski on Sat Feb 10 14:48:35 2024
    On 2/10/2024 2:26 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 2/10/2024 2:19 PM, pH wrote:
    On 2024-02-09, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/driverless-waymo-car-hits-cyclist-san-francisco-causes-minor-scratches-2024-02-07/

    I don't doubt this for a moment but I know we've all
    seen some pretty iffy cyclist behaviour in cities (or
    lotsa places, for that matter).

    Yep. As I mentioned, a guy here was riding facing traffic at
    night with no headlight, just recently.

    I saw that a lot when I lived in the city, especially a wide
    one-way on my route home. I found that a dead straight cold
    stare, while shifting to a higher gear with elbows locked,
    will encourage the bastards to swerve into traffic.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to frkrygow@sbcglobal.net on Sat Feb 10 16:22:56 2024
    On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 15:26:37 -0500, Frank Krygowski
    <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2/10/2024 2:19 PM, pH wrote:
    On 2024-02-09, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/driverless-waymo-car-hits-cyclist-san-francisco-causes-minor-scratches-2024-02-07/

    I don't doubt this for a moment but I know we've all
    seen some pretty iffy cyclist behaviour in cities (or
    lotsa places, for that matter).

    Yep. As I mentioned, a guy here was riding facing traffic at night with
    no headlight, just recently.

    ..or so you say.

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