During Obama and his Great Recession that the Stupid 4+1 don't believe was there hero Obama's fault, pe3ople without work would run their tires until the steel casing broke through and would bleed steel particles all over the road causing bicyclesendless problems with flat tires almost constantly. This did NOT stop until Trump entered office and then disappeared almost overnight.
Biden trumped Obama by doing the same thing in three years. Perhaps this is one of the reasons that Biden approval ratings are the lowest on record. And Trump's the highest.micro holes in it. That could be too much trouble to repair so it was trashed and the next ride on that bike had me getting another flat half way into the ride. I could not repair it since I have mistakenly put a short filler tube in it but the leak was
I have four bikes down in the garage with flat tires and all of them are the slow leaks indicative of worn out car tires shedding wires. When I repair a pin hole flat the next ride is the same problem. One of the tubes I was repairing had six of these
This isn't the case with any manual shifting. To show that this isn't a peculiarity of mine, all of the local bike shops are running out of tubes.
On 1/16/2024 11:51 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
During Obama and his Great Recession that the Stupid 4+1 don't believe
was there hero Obama's fault, pe3ople without work would run their tires
until the steel casing broke through and would bleed steel particles all
over the road causing bicycles endless problems with flat tires almost
constantly. This did NOT stop until Trump entered office and then
disappeared almost overnight.
Biden trumped Obama by doing the same thing in three years. Perhaps this
is one of the reasons that Biden approval ratings are the lowest on
record. And Trump's the highest.
I have four bikes down in the garage with flat tires and all of them are
the slow leaks indicative of worn out car tires shedding wires. When I
repair a pin hole flat the next ride is the same problem. One of the
tubes I was repairing had six of these micro holes in it. That could be
too much trouble to repair so it was trashed and the next ride on that
bike had me getting another flat half way into the ride. I could not
repair it since I have mistakenly put a short filler tube in it but the
leak was so small that I was able to take a short cut home. Yesterday
morning it was flat and I had to take out the Di2 bike which I am
rapidly coming to despise. My hands become somewhat numb and I cannot
tell which button I am pressing.
This isn't the case with any manual shifting. To show that this isn't a
peculiarity of mine, all of the local bike shops are running out of tubes.
I haven't laughed this hard in weeks. Generally speaking I won't miss
tommy when he can't post here any more, but I _will_ miss gems like this.
BTW tommy
https://www.amazon.com/Tube-700-48mm-Presta-Valve/dp/B077CT1NY7?th=1
Free overnight delivery with Prime
I haven't laughed this hard in weeks. Generally speaking I won't miss
tommy when he can't post here any more, but I _will_ miss gems like this.
On 1/16/2024 9:14 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
I haven't laughed this hard in weeks. Generally speaking I
won't miss tommy when he can't post here any more, but I
_will_ miss gems like this.
That was the best!
FWIW, the great bicycle tube and tire shortage was during
the Trump administration.
Trump should have gotten an award from the National Bicycle
Dealers Association (NBDA) because it was his horrible
botching of the response to the Covid epidemic that led to
the spectacular sales of bicycles, parts, and accessories. <https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/16/857157196/bike-sales-gear-up-as-the-homebound-try-socially-distant-exercise>
Biden, with his competent response to Covid, ended the
pandemic and bicycle sales plunged as people could go back
to other activities.
During the pandemic, there was a big shortage to tubes and
tires and prices skyrocketed. Now tubes and tires are
readily available and prices have fallen. I just bought
27.5" Kenda tubes for less than $4 each <https://www.ebay.com/itm/296093855956>.
Obama's competent handling of the economy ended the
recession caused by W. "The economy improved markedly under
former President Barack Obama, from the start of 2009
through the end of 2016. Faced with the specter of another
Great Depression in winter 2009, President Obama enacted a
series of policies that helped the economy avoid that fate.
The economy was growing again by the second half of 2009,
and jobs followed suit by early 2010. Economic growth
continued apace for the rest of President Obama’s time in
office, and job growth logged its longest expansion on
record by early 2017, dating back to 1939.1 Employment
opportunities improved, the unemployment rate fell, wages
eventually increased, and household debt dropped sharply."
Biden is reversing the failures of the Trump economy, with
spectacular job growth, low unemployment, and a record stock
market. The inflation caused by the spending during the
pandemic is coming down nicely.
On 1/16/2024 2:49 PM, sms wrote:
On 1/16/2024 9:14 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
I haven't laughed this hard in weeks. Generally speaking I won't miss
tommy when he can't post here any more, but I _will_ miss gems like
this.
That was the best!
FWIW, the great bicycle tube and tire shortage was during the Trump
administration.
Trump should have gotten an award from the National Bicycle Dealers
Association (NBDA) because it was his horrible botching of the
response to the Covid epidemic that led to the spectacular sales of
bicycles, parts, and accessories.
<https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/16/857157196/bike-sales-gear-up-as-the-homebound-try-socially-distant-exercise>
Biden, with his competent response to Covid, ended the pandemic and
bicycle sales plunged as people could go back to other activities.
During the pandemic, there was a big shortage to tubes and tires and
prices skyrocketed. Now tubes and tires are readily available and
prices have fallen. I just bought 27.5" Kenda tubes for less than $4
each <https://www.ebay.com/itm/296093855956>.
Obama's competent handling of the economy ended the recession caused
by W. "The economy improved markedly under former President Barack
Obama, from the start of 2009 through the end of 2016. Faced with the
specter of another Great Depression in winter 2009, President Obama
enacted a series of policies that helped the economy avoid that fate.
The economy was growing again by the second half of 2009, and jobs
followed suit by early 2010. Economic growth continued apace for the
rest of President Obama’s time in office, and job growth logged its
longest expansion on record by early 2017, dating back to 1939.1
Employment opportunities improved, the unemployment rate fell, wages
eventually increased, and household debt dropped sharply."
Biden is reversing the failures of the Trump economy, with spectacular
job growth, low unemployment, and a record stock market. The inflation
caused by the spending during the pandemic is coming down nicely.
Does the Obama Team (2009~16 and 2021~present) get credit for firearms
sales?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/249740/percentage-of-households-in-the-united-states-owning-a-firearm/
On 1/16/2024 4:19 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/16/2024 2:49 PM, sms wrote:
On 1/16/2024 9:14 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
I haven't laughed this hard in weeks. Generally speaking
I won't miss tommy when he can't post here any more, but
I _will_ miss gems like this.
That was the best!
FWIW, the great bicycle tube and tire shortage was during
the Trump administration.
Trump should have gotten an award from the National
Bicycle Dealers Association (NBDA) because it was his
horrible botching of the response to the Covid epidemic
that led to the spectacular sales of bicycles, parts, and
accessories.
<https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/16/857157196/bike-sales-gear-up-as-the-homebound-try-socially-distant-exercise>
Biden, with his competent response to Covid, ended the
pandemic and bicycle sales plunged as people could go
back to other activities.
During the pandemic, there was a big shortage to tubes
and tires and prices skyrocketed. Now tubes and tires are
readily available and prices have fallen. I just bought
27.5" Kenda tubes for less than $4 each
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/296093855956>.
Obama's competent handling of the economy ended the
recession caused by W. "The economy improved markedly
under former President Barack Obama, from the start of
2009 through the end of 2016. Faced with the specter of
another Great Depression in winter 2009, President Obama
enacted a series of policies that helped the economy
avoid that fate. The economy was growing again by the
second half of 2009, and jobs followed suit by early
2010. Economic growth continued apace for the rest of
President Obama’s time in office, and job growth logged
its longest expansion on record by early 2017, dating
back to 1939.1 Employment opportunities improved, the
unemployment rate fell, wages eventually increased, and
household debt dropped sharply."
Biden is reversing the failures of the Trump economy,
with spectacular job growth, low unemployment, and a
record stock market. The inflation caused by the spending
during the pandemic is coming down nicely.
Does the Obama Team (2009~16 and 2021~present) get credit
for firearms sales?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/249740/percentage-of-households-in-the-united-states-owning-a-firearm/
Indirectly - A large number of people bought into the lie
spread by the NRA/GOP that Obama was going to take
everyone's guns.
On 1/16/2024 9:14 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
I haven't laughed this hard in weeks. Generally speaking I won't miss
tommy when he can't post here any more, but I _will_ miss gems like this.
That was the best!
FWIW, the great bicycle tube and tire shortage was during the Trump >administration.
Trump should have gotten an award from the National Bicycle Dealers >Association (NBDA) because it was his horrible botching of the response
to the Covid epidemic that led to the spectacular sales of bicycles,
parts, and accessories. ><https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/16/857157196/bike-sales-gear-up-as-the-homebound-try-socially-distant-exercise>
Biden, with his competent response to Covid, ended the pandemic and
bicycle sales plunged as people could go back to other activities.
During the pandemic, there was a big shortage to tubes and tires and
prices skyrocketed. Now tubes and tires are readily available and prices
have fallen. I just bought 27.5" Kenda tubes for less than $4 each ><https://www.ebay.com/itm/296093855956>.
Obama's competent handling of the economy ended the recession caused by
W. "The economy improved markedly under former President Barack Obama,
from the start of 2009 through the end of 2016. Faced with the specter
of another Great Depression in winter 2009, President Obama enacted a
series of policies that helped the economy avoid that fate. The economy
was growing again by the second half of 2009, and jobs followed suit by
early 2010. Economic growth continued apace for the rest of President
Obamas time in office, and job growth logged its longest expansion on
record by early 2017, dating back to 1939.1 Employment opportunities >improved, the unemployment rate fell, wages eventually increased, and >household debt dropped sharply."
Biden is reversing the failures of the Trump economy, with spectacular
job growth, low unemployment, and a record stock market. The inflation
caused by the spending during the pandemic is coming down nicely.
On 1/16/2024 4:19 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/16/2024 2:49 PM, sms wrote:
On 1/16/2024 9:14 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
I haven't laughed this hard in weeks. Generally speaking I won't miss
tommy when he can't post here any more, but I _will_ miss gems like
this.
That was the best!
FWIW, the great bicycle tube and tire shortage was during the Trump
administration.
Trump should have gotten an award from the National Bicycle Dealers
Association (NBDA) because it was his horrible botching of the
response to the Covid epidemic that led to the spectacular sales of
bicycles, parts, and accessories.
<https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/16/857157196/bike-sales-gear-up-as-the-homebound-try-socially-distant-exercise>
Biden, with his competent response to Covid, ended the pandemic and
bicycle sales plunged as people could go back to other activities.
During the pandemic, there was a big shortage to tubes and tires and
prices skyrocketed. Now tubes and tires are readily available and
prices have fallen. I just bought 27.5" Kenda tubes for less than $4
each <https://www.ebay.com/itm/296093855956>.
Obama's competent handling of the economy ended the recession caused
by W. "The economy improved markedly under former President Barack
Obama, from the start of 2009 through the end of 2016. Faced with the
specter of another Great Depression in winter 2009, President Obama
enacted a series of policies that helped the economy avoid that fate.
The economy was growing again by the second half of 2009, and jobs
followed suit by early 2010. Economic growth continued apace for the
rest of President Obamas time in office, and job growth logged its
longest expansion on record by early 2017, dating back to 1939.1
Employment opportunities improved, the unemployment rate fell, wages
eventually increased, and household debt dropped sharply."
Biden is reversing the failures of the Trump economy, with spectacular
job growth, low unemployment, and a record stock market. The inflation
caused by the spending during the pandemic is coming down nicely.
Does the Obama Team (2009~16 and 2021~present) get credit for firearms
sales?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/249740/percentage-of-households-in-the-united-states-owning-a-firearm/
Indirectly - A large number of people bought into the lie spread by the >NRA/GOP that Obama was going to take everyone's guns.
Does the Obama Team (2009~16 and 2021~present) get credit for firearms
sales?
On 1/16/2024 1:19 PM, AMuzi wrote:
<snip>
Does the Obama Team (2009~16 and 2021~present) get credit for firearms
sales?
Absolutely.
A sufficient number of crazies believed that Obama would take their guns >away. Democratic presidents are always better for the firearms industry >because so many stupid people think that they will be unable to purchase
guns or ammunition.
On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 12:49:55 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:
On 1/16/2024 9:14 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
I haven't laughed this hard in weeks. Generally speaking I won't missThat was the best!
tommy when he can't post here any more, but I _will_ miss gems like this. >>
FWIW, the great bicycle tube and tire shortage was during the Trump
administration.
Trump should have gotten an award from the National Bicycle Dealers
Association (NBDA) because it was his horrible botching of the response
to the Covid epidemic that led to the spectacular sales of bicycles,
parts, and accessories.
<https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/16/857157196/bike-sales-gear-up-as-the-homebound-try-socially-distant-exercise>
Biden, with his competent response to Covid, ended the pandemic and
bicycle sales plunged as people could go back to other activities.
During the pandemic, there was a big shortage to tubes and tires and
prices skyrocketed. Now tubes and tires are readily available and prices
have fallen. I just bought 27.5" Kenda tubes for less than $4 each
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/296093855956>.
Obama's competent handling of the economy ended the recession caused by
W. "The economy improved markedly under former President Barack Obama, >>from the start of 2009 through the end of 2016. Faced with the specter
of another Great Depression in winter 2009, President Obama enacted a
series of policies that helped the economy avoid that fate. The economy
was growing again by the second half of 2009, and jobs followed suit by
early 2010. Economic growth continued apace for the rest of President
Obama’s time in office, and job growth logged its longest expansion on
record by early 2017, dating back to 1939.1 Employment opportunities
improved, the unemployment rate fell, wages eventually increased, and
household debt dropped sharply."
Biden is reversing the failures of the Trump economy, with spectacular
job growth, low unemployment, and a record stock market. The inflation
caused by the spending during the pandemic is coming down nicely.
The people aren't buying that...
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/approval-rating
On 1/16/2024 1:19 PM, AMuzi wrote:
<snip>
Does the Obama Team (2009~16 and 2021~present) get credit
for firearms sales?
Absolutely.
A sufficient number of crazies believed that Obama would
take their guns away. Democratic presidents are always
better for the firearms industry because so many stupid
people think that they will be unable to purchase guns or
ammunition.
On 1/16/2024 3:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
The people aren't buying that...
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/approval-rating
Even John Kerry jumped ship. The remaining rats are at the
rail...
On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 16:45:24 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/16/2024 3:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
The people aren't buying that...
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/approval-rating
Even John Kerry jumped ship. The remaining rats are at the
rail...
Kerry is 80 years old. He plans to work on the Biden re-election
campaign: <https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/13/john-kerry-biden-administration-re-election-campaign>
That isn't jumping ship.
On 1/16/2024 3:58 PM, sms wrote:
On 1/16/2024 1:19 PM, AMuzi wrote:That turned out to be all hat and no cattle.
<snip>
Does the Obama Team (2009~16 and 2021~present) get credit for
firearms sales?
Absolutely.
A sufficient number of crazies believed that Obama would take their
guns away. Democratic presidents are always better for the firearms
industry because so many stupid people think that they will be unable
to purchase guns or ammunition.
Our Constitution, culture and courts remain intact.
On 1/16/2024 2:50 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/16/2024 3:58 PM, sms wrote:
On 1/16/2024 1:19 PM, AMuzi wrote:That turned out to be all hat and no cattle.
<snip>
Does the Obama Team (2009~16 and 2021~present) get
credit for firearms sales?
Absolutely.
A sufficient number of crazies believed that Obama would
take their guns away. Democratic presidents are always
better for the firearms industry because so many stupid
people think that they will be unable to purchase guns or
ammunition.
Our Constitution, culture and courts remain intact.
Exactly. The fear of the gun nuts is that there will be
background checks, not that guns would be unavailable.
On 1/16/2024 2:50 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/16/2024 3:58 PM, sms wrote:
On 1/16/2024 1:19 PM, AMuzi wrote:That turned out to be all hat and no cattle.
<snip>
Does the Obama Team (2009~16 and 2021~present) get credit for
firearms sales?
Absolutely.
A sufficient number of crazies believed that Obama would take their
guns away. Democratic presidents are always better for the firearms
industry because so many stupid people think that they will be unable
to purchase guns or ammunition.
Our Constitution, culture and courts remain intact.
Exactly. The fear of the gun nuts is that there will be background
checks, not that guns would be unavailable.
On 1/16/2024 4:22 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
A large number of people bought into the lie spread by the
NRA/GOP that Obama was going to take everyone's guns.
I know a couple of those guys.
On 1/16/2024 3:22 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 1/16/2024 4:19 PM, AMuzi wrote:I saw it as another spurious correlation; just trying to complete the
On 1/16/2024 2:49 PM, sms wrote:
On 1/16/2024 9:14 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
I haven't laughed this hard in weeks. Generally speaking I won't
miss tommy when he can't post here any more, but I _will_ miss gems
like this.
That was the best!
FWIW, the great bicycle tube and tire shortage was during the Trump
administration.
Trump should have gotten an award from the National Bicycle Dealers
Association (NBDA) because it was his horrible botching of the
response to the Covid epidemic that led to the spectacular sales of
bicycles, parts, and accessories.
<https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/16/857157196/bike-sales-gear-up-as-the-homebound-try-socially-distant-exercise>
Biden, with his competent response to Covid, ended the pandemic and
bicycle sales plunged as people could go back to other activities.
During the pandemic, there was a big shortage to tubes and tires and
prices skyrocketed. Now tubes and tires are readily available and
prices have fallen. I just bought 27.5" Kenda tubes for less than $4
each <https://www.ebay.com/itm/296093855956>.
Obama's competent handling of the economy ended the recession caused
by W. "The economy improved markedly under former President Barack
Obama, from the start of 2009 through the end of 2016. Faced with
the specter of another Great Depression in winter 2009, President
Obama enacted a series of policies that helped the economy avoid
that fate. The economy was growing again by the second half of 2009,
and jobs followed suit by early 2010. Economic growth continued
apace for the rest of President Obama’s time in office, and job
growth logged its longest expansion on record by early 2017, dating
back to 1939.1 Employment opportunities improved, the unemployment
rate fell, wages eventually increased, and household debt dropped
sharply."
Biden is reversing the failures of the Trump economy, with
spectacular job growth, low unemployment, and a record stock market.
The inflation caused by the spending during the pandemic is coming
down nicely.
Does the Obama Team (2009~16 and 2021~present) get credit for
firearms sales?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/249740/percentage-of-households-in-the-united-states-owning-a-firearm/
Indirectly - A large number of people bought into the lie spread by
the NRA/GOP that Obama was going to take everyone's guns.
series above.
On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 16:22:27 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 1/16/2024 4:19 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/16/2024 2:49 PM, sms wrote:
On 1/16/2024 9:14 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
I haven't laughed this hard in weeks. Generally speaking I won't miss >>>>> tommy when he can't post here any more, but I _will_ miss gems like
this.
That was the best!
FWIW, the great bicycle tube and tire shortage was during the Trump
administration.
Trump should have gotten an award from the National Bicycle Dealers
Association (NBDA) because it was his horrible botching of the
response to the Covid epidemic that led to the spectacular sales of
bicycles, parts, and accessories.
<https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/16/857157196/bike-sales-gear-up-as-the-homebound-try-socially-distant-exercise>
Biden, with his competent response to Covid, ended the pandemic and
bicycle sales plunged as people could go back to other activities.
During the pandemic, there was a big shortage to tubes and tires and
prices skyrocketed. Now tubes and tires are readily available and
prices have fallen. I just bought 27.5" Kenda tubes for less than $4
each <https://www.ebay.com/itm/296093855956>.
Obama's competent handling of the economy ended the recession caused
by W. "The economy improved markedly under former President Barack
Obama, from the start of 2009 through the end of 2016. Faced with the
specter of another Great Depression in winter 2009, President Obama
enacted a series of policies that helped the economy avoid that fate.
The economy was growing again by the second half of 2009, and jobs
followed suit by early 2010. Economic growth continued apace for the
rest of President Obama’s time in office, and job growth logged its
longest expansion on record by early 2017, dating back to 1939.1
Employment opportunities improved, the unemployment rate fell, wages
eventually increased, and household debt dropped sharply."
Biden is reversing the failures of the Trump economy, with spectacular >>>> job growth, low unemployment, and a record stock market. The inflation >>>> caused by the spending during the pandemic is coming down nicely.
Does the Obama Team (2009~16 and 2021~present) get credit for firearms
sales?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/249740/percentage-of-households-in-the-united-states-owning-a-firearm/
Indirectly - A large number of people bought into the lie spread by the
NRA/GOP that Obama was going to take everyone's guns.
During his presidency, Obama called for stricter gun laws and urged
Congress to reinstate the assault weapons ban
following the 2016 Pulse
nightclub attack in Orlando, which killed 49 people and wounded dozens
more.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/barack-obama-gun-ownership-growing-ideological-partisan-issue-cbs-mornings-interview/
On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 9:14:22 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:endless problems with flat tires almost constantly. This did NOT stop until Trump entered office and then disappeared almost overnight.
On 1/16/2024 11:51 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
During Obama and his Great Recession that the Stupid 4+1 don't believe was there hero Obama's fault, pe3ople without work would run their tires until the steel casing broke through and would bleed steel particles all over the road causing bicycles
these micro holes in it. That could be too much trouble to repair so it was trashed and the next ride on that bike had me getting another flat half way into the ride. I could not repair it since I have mistakenly put a short filler tube in it but the
Biden trumped Obama by doing the same thing in three years. Perhaps this is one of the reasons that Biden approval ratings are the lowest on record. And Trump's the highest.
I have four bikes down in the garage with flat tires and all of them are the slow leaks indicative of worn out car tires shedding wires. When I repair a pin hole flat the next ride is the same problem. One of the tubes I was repairing had six of
I haven't laughed this hard in weeks. Generally speaking I won't miss
This isn't the case with any manual shifting. To show that this isn't a peculiarity of mine, all of the local bike shops are running out of tubes.
tommy when he can't post here any more, but I _will_ miss gems like this.
BTW tommy
https://www.amazon.com/Tube-700-48mm-Presta-Valve/dp/B077CT1NY7?th=1
Free overnight delivery with Prime
Don't you find it interesting that Flunky doesn't do business with his local bike shops.
Instead he buys things off of Amazon.
Do you suppose that is because he can't take the sarcasm about his "racing" abilities?
On 1/16/2024 4:40 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 16:22:27 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 1/16/2024 4:19 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/16/2024 2:49 PM, sms wrote:
On 1/16/2024 9:14 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
I haven't laughed this hard in weeks. Generally speaking I won't miss >>>>>> tommy when he can't post here any more, but I _will_ miss gems like >>>>>> this.
That was the best!
FWIW, the great bicycle tube and tire shortage was during the Trump
administration.
Trump should have gotten an award from the National Bicycle Dealers
Association (NBDA) because it was his horrible botching of the
response to the Covid epidemic that led to the spectacular sales of
bicycles, parts, and accessories.
<https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/16/857157196/bike-sales-gear-up-as-the-homebound-try-socially-distant-exercise>
Biden, with his competent response to Covid, ended the pandemic and
bicycle sales plunged as people could go back to other activities.
During the pandemic, there was a big shortage to tubes and tires and >>>>> prices skyrocketed. Now tubes and tires are readily available and
prices have fallen. I just bought 27.5" Kenda tubes for less than $4 >>>>> each <https://www.ebay.com/itm/296093855956>.
Obama's competent handling of the economy ended the recession caused >>>>> by W. "The economy improved markedly under former President Barack
Obama, from the start of 2009 through the end of 2016. Faced with the >>>>> specter of another Great Depression in winter 2009, President Obama
enacted a series of policies that helped the economy avoid that fate. >>>>> The economy was growing again by the second half of 2009, and jobs
followed suit by early 2010. Economic growth continued apace for the >>>>> rest of President Obamas time in office, and job growth logged its
longest expansion on record by early 2017, dating back to 1939.1
Employment opportunities improved, the unemployment rate fell, wages >>>>> eventually increased, and household debt dropped sharply."
Biden is reversing the failures of the Trump economy, with spectacular >>>>> job growth, low unemployment, and a record stock market. The inflation >>>>> caused by the spending during the pandemic is coming down nicely.
Does the Obama Team (2009~16 and 2021~present) get credit for firearms >>>> sales?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/249740/percentage-of-households-in-the-united-states-owning-a-firearm/
Indirectly - A large number of people bought into the lie spread by the
NRA/GOP that Obama was going to take everyone's guns.
During his presidency, Obama called for stricter gun laws and urged
Congress to reinstate the assault weapons ban
Which wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away, it would have restricted >further sales.
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 07:37:54 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 1/16/2024 4:40 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 16:22:27 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 1/16/2024 4:19 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/16/2024 2:49 PM, sms wrote:
On 1/16/2024 9:14 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
I haven't laughed this hard in weeks. Generally speaking I won't miss >>>>>>> tommy when he can't post here any more, but I _will_ miss gems like >>>>>>> this.
That was the best!
FWIW, the great bicycle tube and tire shortage was during the Trump >>>>>> administration.
Trump should have gotten an award from the National Bicycle Dealers >>>>>> Association (NBDA) because it was his horrible botching of the
response to the Covid epidemic that led to the spectacular sales of >>>>>> bicycles, parts, and accessories.
<https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/16/857157196/bike-sales-gear-up-as-the-homebound-try-socially-distant-exercise>
Biden, with his competent response to Covid, ended the pandemic and >>>>>> bicycle sales plunged as people could go back to other activities. >>>>>>
During the pandemic, there was a big shortage to tubes and tires and >>>>>> prices skyrocketed. Now tubes and tires are readily available and
prices have fallen. I just bought 27.5" Kenda tubes for less than $4 >>>>>> each <https://www.ebay.com/itm/296093855956>.
Obama's competent handling of the economy ended the recession caused >>>>>> by W. "The economy improved markedly under former President Barack >>>>>> Obama, from the start of 2009 through the end of 2016. Faced with the >>>>>> specter of another Great Depression in winter 2009, President Obama >>>>>> enacted a series of policies that helped the economy avoid that fate. >>>>>> The economy was growing again by the second half of 2009, and jobs >>>>>> followed suit by early 2010. Economic growth continued apace for the >>>>>> rest of President Obama’s time in office, and job growth logged its >>>>>> longest expansion on record by early 2017, dating back to 1939.1
Employment opportunities improved, the unemployment rate fell, wages >>>>>> eventually increased, and household debt dropped sharply."
Biden is reversing the failures of the Trump economy, with spectacular >>>>>> job growth, low unemployment, and a record stock market. The inflation >>>>>> caused by the spending during the pandemic is coming down nicely.
Does the Obama Team (2009~16 and 2021~present) get credit for firearms >>>>> sales?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/249740/percentage-of-households-in-the-united-states-owning-a-firearm/
Indirectly - A large number of people bought into the lie spread by the >>>> NRA/GOP that Obama was going to take everyone's guns.
During his presidency, Obama called for stricter gun laws and urged
Congress to reinstate the assault weapons ban
Which wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away, it would have restricted
further sales.
<SNIP>
Yes, Dummy, you see, the original assault weapons ban had a
grandfather clause that allowed a person to keep the weapon if he'd
gotten it before the ban, so, a wise person who thought they might
ever want one, went out and bought one, assuming a reinstatement of
the ban would have the same grandfather clause.
I do, frequently. Unfortunately all the local shops around me have gone "corporate", My in-town shop is now exclusive to Cannondale and their associated brands, and the last shop that sponsored my team became a
Trek store. That means I can't find things like a derailleur clamp for a braze-on derailleur at either shop any more, they would have to order
them from Problem Solvers just like I do (yes, I recently experienced
that very incident). Even accessories like bar tape are restricted by
their corporate branding. At least I'm not forced to go because I've
fucked something up.
On 1/17/2024 7:15 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 07:37:54 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 1/16/2024 4:40 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 16:22:27 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> >>>> wrote:
On 1/16/2024 4:19 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/16/2024 2:49 PM, sms wrote:
On 1/16/2024 9:14 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
I haven't laughed this hard in weeks. Generally speaking I won't miss >>>>>>>> tommy when he can't post here any more, but I _will_ miss gems like >>>>>>>> this.
That was the best!
FWIW, the great bicycle tube and tire shortage was during the Trump >>>>>>> administration.
Trump should have gotten an award from the National Bicycle Dealers >>>>>>> Association (NBDA) because it was his horrible botching of the
response to the Covid epidemic that led to the spectacular sales of >>>>>>> bicycles, parts, and accessories.
<https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/16/857157196/bike-sales-gear-up-as-the-homebound-try-socially-distant-exercise>
Biden, with his competent response to Covid, ended the pandemic and >>>>>>> bicycle sales plunged as people could go back to other activities. >>>>>>>
During the pandemic, there was a big shortage to tubes and tires and >>>>>>> prices skyrocketed. Now tubes and tires are readily available and >>>>>>> prices have fallen. I just bought 27.5" Kenda tubes for less than $4 >>>>>>> each <https://www.ebay.com/itm/296093855956>.
Obama's competent handling of the economy ended the recession caused >>>>>>> by W. "The economy improved markedly under former President Barack >>>>>>> Obama, from the start of 2009 through the end of 2016. Faced with the >>>>>>> specter of another Great Depression in winter 2009, President Obama >>>>>>> enacted a series of policies that helped the economy avoid that fate. >>>>>>> The economy was growing again by the second half of 2009, and jobs >>>>>>> followed suit by early 2010. Economic growth continued apace for the >>>>>>> rest of President Obamas time in office, and job growth logged its >>>>>>> longest expansion on record by early 2017, dating back to 1939.1 >>>>>>> Employment opportunities improved, the unemployment rate fell, wages >>>>>>> eventually increased, and household debt dropped sharply."
Biden is reversing the failures of the Trump economy, with spectacular >>>>>>> job growth, low unemployment, and a record stock market. The inflation >>>>>>> caused by the spending during the pandemic is coming down nicely. >>>>>>>
Does the Obama Team (2009~16 and 2021~present) get credit for firearms >>>>>> sales?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/249740/percentage-of-households-in-the-united-states-owning-a-firearm/
Indirectly - A large number of people bought into the lie spread by the >>>>> NRA/GOP that Obama was going to take everyone's guns.
During his presidency, Obama called for stricter gun laws and urged
Congress to reinstate the assault weapons ban
Which wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away, it would have restricted
further sales.
<SNIP>
Yes, Dummy, you see, the original assault weapons ban had a
grandfather clause that allowed a person to keep the weapon if he'd
gotten it before the ban, so, a wise person who thought they might
ever want one, went out and bought one, assuming a reinstatement of
the ban would have the same grandfather clause.
Ask our contributor Mr Ridesalot about the permanence of
such assurances.
On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 8:16:01?AM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 07:37:54 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 1/16/2024 4:40 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:<SNIP>
During his presidency, Obama called for stricter gun laws and urged
Congress to reinstate the assault weapons ban
Which wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away, it would have restricted
further sales.
Yes, Dummy, you see, the original assault weapons ban had a
grandfather clause that allowed a person to keep the weapon if he'd
gotten it before the ban, so, a wise person who thought they might
ever want one, went out and bought one, assuming a reinstatement of
the ban would have the same grandfather clause.
I see, so in floriduh dumbass world,
"wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away, it would have restricted further sales."
?
"person who thought they might ever want one, went out and bought one, assuming a reinstatement of the ban would have the same grandfather clause."
got it...dumbass.
On 1/17/2024 5:20 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
<snip>
I do, frequently. Unfortunately all the local shops around me have gone
"corporate", My in-town shop is now exclusive to Cannondale and their
associated brands, and the last shop that sponsored my team became a
Trek store. That means I can't find things like a derailleur clamp for a
braze-on derailleur at either shop any more, they would have to order
them from Problem Solvers just like I do (yes, I recently experienced
that very incident). Even accessories like bar tape are restricted by
their corporate branding. At least I'm not forced to go because I've
fucked something up.
Remember in 2021 when Tom had a fit that his local bike shop was
following the law regarding face coverings and he stormed out and then >boasted about how he ordered online? See ><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/7MGs55w41Qc/m/UGLx-2jPBgAJ>:
"So I came home and ordered the tires and tubes on-line for a fraction
of what it would have cost me in their store and paid $140 or so."
I sent an e-mail to the founder of the bike store, thanking him for
being diligent about stopping the spread of Covid:
"Kudo's to Mikes Bikes for enforcing common-sense Covid-prevention
measures. Fortunately Tom just left without incident. Other covidiot >anti-maskers have been physically removed from stores like Walmart. ><https://youtu.be/f456x1Zvz3U> ><https://twitter.com/i/status/1292306240287248384>"
I got a reply and had an e-mail exchange:
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Ken Martin
Sep 4, 2021, 4:28?AM
Im not familiar with this incident, and the attachment didnt come
through. Can you send it again, or a link to the post? -Ken -- Ken
Martin Founder & CEO Mike
---
Steven Scharf
Sep 4, 2021, 4:32?AM
to Ken
Here is a link to the thread on rec.bicycles.tech: >https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/7MGs55w41Qc
The person that started this was upset that an employee at your
Pleasanton store told him that he had to wear a mask. That person has a >history of being a jerk.
---
Ken Martin
Sep 4, 2021, 4:36?AM
to me
Thank you. Wow, he really does sound like a jerk. Thanks for sticking
up for us!!
-Ken >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 08:50:26 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:
On 1/17/2024 5:20 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
<snip>
I do, frequently. Unfortunately all the local shops around me have gone
"corporate", My in-town shop is now exclusive to Cannondale and their
associated brands, and the last shop that sponsored my team became a
Trek store. That means I can't find things like a derailleur clamp for a >>> braze-on derailleur at either shop any more, they would have to order
them from Problem Solvers just like I do (yes, I recently experienced
that very incident). Even accessories like bar tape are restricted by
their corporate branding. At least I'm not forced to go because I've
fucked something up.
Remember in 2021 when Tom had a fit that his local bike shop was
following the law regarding face coverings and he stormed out and then
boasted about how he ordered online? See
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/7MGs55w41Qc/m/UGLx-2jPBgAJ>:
"So I came home and ordered the tires and tubes on-line for a fraction
of what it would have cost me in their store and paid $140 or so."
I sent an e-mail to the founder of the bike store, thanking him for
being diligent about stopping the spread of Covid:
"Kudo's to Mikes Bikes for enforcing common-sense Covid-prevention
measures. Fortunately Tom just left without incident. Other covidiot
anti-maskers have been physically removed from stores like Walmart.
<https://youtu.be/f456x1Zvz3U>
<https://twitter.com/i/status/1292306240287248384>"
I got a reply and had an e-mail exchange:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ken Martin
Sep 4, 2021, 4:28?AM
I’m not familiar with this incident, and the attachment didn’t come
through. Can you send it again, or a link to the post? -Ken -- Ken
Martin Founder & CEO Mike
---
Steven Scharf
Sep 4, 2021, 4:32?AM
to Ken
Here is a link to the thread on rec.bicycles.tech:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/7MGs55w41Qc
The person that started this was upset that an employee at your
Pleasanton store told him that he had to wear a mask. That person has a
history of being a jerk.
---
Ken Martin
Sep 4, 2021, 4:36?AM
to me
Thank you. Wow, he really does sound like a jerk. Thanks for sticking
up for us!!
-Ken
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I understood and respected that some businesses were required by law
to enforce face diapers, but when and where there was no law, I
sh*t-canned the mask and avoided businesses that required the useless
things.
On 1/17/2024 12:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 08:50:26 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:
On 1/17/2024 5:20 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
<snip>
I do, frequently. Unfortunately all the local shops around me have gone >>>> "corporate", My in-town shop is now exclusive to Cannondale and their
associated brands, and the last shop that sponsored my team became a
Trek store. That means I can't find things like a derailleur clamp for a >>>> braze-on derailleur at either shop any more, they would have to order
them from Problem Solvers just like I do (yes, I recently experienced
that very incident). Even accessories like bar tape are restricted by
their corporate branding. At least I'm not forced to go because I've
fucked something up.
Remember in 2021 when Tom had a fit that his local bike shop was
following the law regarding face coverings and he stormed out and then
boasted about how he ordered online? See
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/7MGs55w41Qc/m/UGLx-2jPBgAJ>:
"So I came home and ordered the tires and tubes on-line for a fraction
of what it would have cost me in their store and paid $140 or so."
I sent an e-mail to the founder of the bike store, thanking him for
being diligent about stopping the spread of Covid:
"Kudo's to Mikes Bikes for enforcing common-sense Covid-prevention
measures. Fortunately Tom just left without incident. Other covidiot
anti-maskers have been physically removed from stores like Walmart.
<https://youtu.be/f456x1Zvz3U>
<https://twitter.com/i/status/1292306240287248384>"
I got a reply and had an e-mail exchange:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ken Martin
Sep 4, 2021, 4:28?AM
Im not familiar with this incident, and the attachment didnt come
through. Can you send it again, or a link to the post? -Ken -- Ken
Martin Founder & CEO Mike
---
Steven Scharf
Sep 4, 2021, 4:32?AM
to Ken
Here is a link to the thread on rec.bicycles.tech:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/7MGs55w41Qc
The person that started this was upset that an employee at your
Pleasanton store told him that he had to wear a mask. That person has a
history of being a jerk.
---
Ken Martin
Sep 4, 2021, 4:36?AM
to me
Thank you. Wow, he really does sound like a jerk. Thanks for sticking
up for us!!
-Ken
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I understood and respected that some businesses were required by law
to enforce face diapers, but when and where there was no law, I
sh*t-canned the mask and avoided businesses that required the useless
things.
I have never worn one. I was tossed out of one business and
politely asked to leave another over the course of a year
and a half. meh.
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 07:50:01 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com" <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 8:16:01?AM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote: >>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 07:37:54 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 1/16/2024 4:40 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:<SNIP>
During his presidency, Obama called for stricter gun laws and urged
Congress to reinstate the assault weapons ban
Which wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away, it would have restricted >>>> further sales.
Yes, Dummy, you see, the original assault weapons ban had a
grandfather clause that allowed a person to keep the weapon if he'd
gotten it before the ban, so, a wise person who thought they might
ever want one, went out and bought one, assuming a reinstatement of
the ban would have the same grandfather clause.
I see, so in floriduh dumbass world,
"wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away, it would have restricted further sales."
?
"person who thought they might ever want one, went out and bought one, assuming a reinstatement of the ban would have the same grandfather clause."
got it...dumbass.
Well. yes, Dummy, it's really simple, even a half wit like you should
be able to understand. Read carefully what I wrote below. Don't assume
you know what it says without reading it.
You see, the original ban disallowed owning the evil black thing
unless* (THE NEXT TEXT IS REALLY IMPORTANT, DUMMY) *you'd acquired it
before the ban went into effect.
On 1/17/2024 5:20 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
<snip>
I do, frequently. Unfortunately all the local shops around me have
gone "corporate", My in-town shop is now exclusive to Cannondale and
their associated brands, and the last shop that sponsored my team
became a Trek store. That means I can't find things like a derailleur
clamp for a braze-on derailleur at either shop any more, they would
have to order them from Problem Solvers just like I do (yes, I
recently experienced that very incident). Even accessories like bar
tape are restricted by their corporate branding. At least I'm not
forced to go because I've fucked something up.
Remember in 2021 when Tom had a fit that his local bike shop was
following the law regarding face coverings and he stormed out and then boasted about how he ordered online? See <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/7MGs55w41Qc/m/UGLx-2jPBgAJ>:
"So I came home and ordered the tires and tubes on-line for a fraction
of what it would have cost me in their store and paid $140 or so."
I sent an e-mail to the founder of the bike store, thanking him for
being diligent about stopping the spread of Covid:
"Kudo's to Mikes Bikes for enforcing common-sense Covid-prevention
measures. Fortunately Tom just left without incident. Other covidiot anti-maskers have been physically removed from stores like Walmart. <https://youtu.be/f456x1Zvz3U> <https://twitter.com/i/status/1292306240287248384>"
I got a reply and had an e-mail exchange:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ken Martin
Sep 4, 2021, 4:28 AM
I’m not familiar with this incident, and the attachment didn’t come through. Can you send it again, or a link to the post? -Ken -- Ken
Martin Founder & CEO Mike
---
Steven Scharf
Sep 4, 2021, 4:32 AM
to Ken
Here is a link to the thread on rec.bicycles.tech: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/7MGs55w41Qc
The person that started this was upset that an employee at your
Pleasanton store told him that he had to wear a mask. That person has a history of being a jerk.
---
Ken Martin
Sep 4, 2021, 4:36 AM
to me
Thank you. Wow, he really does sound like a jerk. Thanks for sticking
up for us!!
-Ken ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On 1/17/2024 12:54 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 07:50:01 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 8:16:01?AM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote: >>>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 07:37:54 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 1/16/2024 4:40 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:<SNIP>
During his presidency, Obama called for stricter gun laws and urged >>>>>> Congress to reinstate the assault weapons ban
Which wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away, it would have restricted >>>>> further sales.
Yes, Dummy, you see, the original assault weapons ban had a
grandfather clause that allowed a person to keep the weapon if he'd
gotten it before the ban, so, a wise person who thought they might
ever want one, went out and bought one, assuming a reinstatement of
the ban would have the same grandfather clause.
I see, so in floriduh dumbass world,
"wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away, it would have restricted further sales."
?
"person who thought they might ever want one, went out and bought one, assuming a reinstatement of the ban would have the same grandfather clause."
got it...dumbass.
Well. yes, Dummy, it's really simple, even a half wit like you should
be able to understand. Read carefully what I wrote below. Don't assume
you know what it says without reading it.
You see, the original ban disallowed owning the evil black thing
unless* (THE NEXT TEXT IS REALLY IMPORTANT, DUMMY) *you'd acquired it
before the ban went into effect.
OK, let me make it so fucking simple even a dumbshine state dumbass like
you can understand.
in floriduh dumbass world,
the legislation "wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away, it would have >restricted further sales."
is not equal to
"the original ban disallowed owning the evil black thing unless* (THE
NEXT TEXT IS REALLY IMPORTANT, DUMMY) *you'd acquired it
before the ban went into effect"
got it...dumbass.
Are you taking tommy lessons?
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 14:24:34 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 1/17/2024 12:54 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 07:50:01 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 8:16:01?AM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 07:37:54 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote:
On 1/16/2024 4:40 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:<SNIP>
During his presidency, Obama called for stricter gun laws and urged >>>>>>> Congress to reinstate the assault weapons ban
Which wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away, it would have restricted >>>>>> further sales.
Yes, Dummy, you see, the original assault weapons ban had a
grandfather clause that allowed a person to keep the weapon if he'd
gotten it before the ban, so, a wise person who thought they might
ever want one, went out and bought one, assuming a reinstatement of
the ban would have the same grandfather clause.
I see, so in floriduh dumbass world,
"wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away, it would have restricted further sales."
?
"person who thought they might ever want one, went out and bought one, assuming a reinstatement of the ban would have the same grandfather clause."
got it...dumbass.
Well. yes, Dummy, it's really simple, even a half wit like you should
be able to understand. Read carefully what I wrote below. Don't assume
you know what it says without reading it.
You see, the original ban disallowed owning the evil black thing
unless* (THE NEXT TEXT IS REALLY IMPORTANT, DUMMY) *you'd acquired it
before the ban went into effect.
OK, let me make it so fucking simple even a dumbshine state dumbass like
you can understand.
in floriduh dumbass world,
the legislation "wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away, it would have
restricted further sales."
is not equal to
"equal to?" Of course they're not equal... I never claimed that. Why
would I? Is your mind really that muddled?
"the original ban disallowed owning the evil black thing unless* (THE
NEXT TEXT IS REALLY IMPORTANT, DUMMY) *you'd acquired it
before the ban went into effect"
got it...dumbass.
Are you taking tommy lessons?
<EYEROLL> The original ban outlawed the possession of guns that were
not acquired before the ban went into effect, Dummy. So what do you
think would occur if they caught you with one of them that you'd
acquired after the ban went into effect? Do you really believe that
it wouldn't be taken away?
At any rate, people went out and bought them because they believed
that Obama would get done what he wanted to do... ban the sale, and
transfer of them, and ban the posession of those that were not
acquired before the ban went into place.
On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 11:25:35 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 1/17/2024 11:50 AM, sms wrote:What happened to you publishing your address? You claimed you would. Or was that just another of your iies?
On 1/17/2024 5:20 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:Tommy's hypocrisy knows no bounds
<snip>
I do, frequently. Unfortunately all the local shops around me have
gone "corporate", My in-town shop is now exclusive to Cannondale and
their associated brands, and the last shop that sponsored my team
became a Trek store. That means I can't find things like a derailleur
clamp for a braze-on derailleur at either shop any more, they would
have to order them from Problem Solvers just like I do (yes, I
recently experienced that very incident). Even accessories like bar
tape are restricted by their corporate branding. At least I'm not
forced to go because I've fucked something up.
Remember in 2021 when Tom had a fit that his local bike shop was
following the law regarding face coverings and he stormed out and then
boasted about how he ordered online? See
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/7MGs55w41Qc/m/UGLx-2jPBgAJ>:
"So I came home and ordered the tires and tubes on-line for a fraction
of what it would have cost me in their store and paid $140 or so."
I sent an e-mail to the founder of the bike store, thanking him for
being diligent about stopping the spread of Covid:
"Kudo's to Mikes Bikes for enforcing common-sense Covid-prevention
measures. Fortunately Tom just left without incident. Other covidiot
anti-maskers have been physically removed from stores like Walmart.
<https://youtu.be/f456x1Zvz3U>
<https://twitter.com/i/status/1292306240287248384>"
I got a reply and had an e-mail exchange:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ken Martin
Sep 4, 2021, 4:28 AM
I’m not familiar with this incident, and the attachment didn’t come
through. Can you send it again, or a link to the post? -Ken -- Ken
Martin Founder & CEO Mike
---
Steven Scharf
Sep 4, 2021, 4:32 AM
to Ken
Here is a link to the thread on rec.bicycles.tech:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/7MGs55w41Qc
The person that started this was upset that an employee at your
Pleasanton store told him that he had to wear a mask. That person has a
history of being a jerk.
---
Ken Martin
Sep 4, 2021, 4:36 AM
to me
Thank you. Wow, he really does sound like a jerk. Thanks for sticking
up for us!!
-Ken
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
Add xx to reply
On 1/17/2024 2:47 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 14:24:34 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 1/17/2024 12:54 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 07:50:01 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 8:16:01?AM UTC-5, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 07:37:54 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:
On 1/16/2024 4:40 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:<SNIP>
During his presidency, Obama called for stricter gun laws and urged >>>>>>>> Congress to reinstate the assault weapons ban
Which wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away, it would have restricted >>>>>>> further sales.
Yes, Dummy, you see, the original assault weapons ban had a
grandfather clause that allowed a person to keep the weapon if he'd >>>>>> gotten it before the ban, so, a wise person who thought they might >>>>>> ever want one, went out and bought one, assuming a reinstatement of >>>>>> the ban would have the same grandfather clause.
I see, so in floriduh dumbass world,
"wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away, it would have restricted further sales."
?
"person who thought they might ever want one, went out and bought one, assuming a reinstatement of the ban would have the same grandfather clause."
got it...dumbass.
Well. yes, Dummy, it's really simple, even a half wit like you should
be able to understand. Read carefully what I wrote below. Don't assume >>>> you know what it says without reading it.
You see, the original ban disallowed owning the evil black thing
unless* (THE NEXT TEXT IS REALLY IMPORTANT, DUMMY) *you'd acquired it
before the ban went into effect.
OK, let me make it so fucking simple even a dumbshine state dumbass like >>> you can understand.
in floriduh dumbass world,
the legislation "wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away, it would have
restricted further sales."
is not equal to
"equal to?" Of course they're not equal... I never claimed that. Why
would I? Is your mind really that muddled?
"the original ban disallowed owning the evil black thing unless* (THE
NEXT TEXT IS REALLY IMPORTANT, DUMMY) *you'd acquired it
before the ban went into effect"
got it...dumbass.
Are you taking tommy lessons?
<EYEROLL> The original ban outlawed the possession of guns that were
not acquired before the ban went into effect, Dummy. So what do you
think would occur if they caught you with one of them that you'd
acquired after the ban went into effect? Do you really believe that
it wouldn't be taken away?
At any rate, people went out and bought them because they believed
that Obama would get done what he wanted to do... ban the sale, and
transfer of them, and ban the posession of those that were not
acquired before the ban went into place.
You really aren't paying attention. I would have thought dumbing it down
for you would have worked, but I see I'll have to go even simpler with a >thought exercise (try hard little kitty, I know it's tough without your
mommy here to help you, but if you go slow a read carefully you just
might get it.)
I wrote:
The legislation "wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away, it would have >restricted further sales."
You wrote:
" [a]person who thought they might ever want one, went out and bought
one, assuming a reinstatement of the ban would have the same grandfather >clause."
Can you spot the difference in those two statements?
On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 11:25:35?AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 1/17/2024 11:50 AM, sms wrote:What happened to you publishing your address? You claimed you would. Or was that just another of your iies?
On 1/17/2024 5:20 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:Tommy's hypocrisy knows no bounds
<snip>
I do, frequently. Unfortunately all the local shops around me have
gone "corporate", My in-town shop is now exclusive to Cannondale and
their associated brands, and the last shop that sponsored my team
became a Trek store. That means I can't find things like a derailleur
clamp for a braze-on derailleur at either shop any more, they would
have to order them from Problem Solvers just like I do (yes, I
recently experienced that very incident). Even accessories like bar
tape are restricted by their corporate branding. At least I'm not
forced to go because I've fucked something up.
Remember in 2021 when Tom had a fit that his local bike shop was
following the law regarding face coverings and he stormed out and then
boasted about how he ordered online? See
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/7MGs55w41Qc/m/UGLx-2jPBgAJ>:
"So I came home and ordered the tires and tubes on-line for a fraction
of what it would have cost me in their store and paid $140 or so."
I sent an e-mail to the founder of the bike store, thanking him for
being diligent about stopping the spread of Covid:
"Kudo's to Mikes Bikes for enforcing common-sense Covid-prevention
measures. Fortunately Tom just left without incident. Other covidiot
anti-maskers have been physically removed from stores like Walmart.
<https://youtu.be/f456x1Zvz3U>
<https://twitter.com/i/status/1292306240287248384>"
I got a reply and had an e-mail exchange:
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Ken Martin
Sep 4, 2021, 4:28?AM
Im not familiar with this incident, and the attachment didnt come
through. Can you send it again, or a link to the post? -Ken -- Ken
Martin Founder & CEO Mike
---
Steven Scharf
Sep 4, 2021, 4:32?AM
to Ken
Here is a link to the thread on rec.bicycles.tech:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/7MGs55w41Qc
The person that started this was upset that an employee at your
Pleasanton store told him that he had to wear a mask. That person has a
history of being a jerk.
---
Ken Martin
Sep 4, 2021, 4:36?AM
to me
Thank you. Wow, he really does sound like a jerk. Thanks for sticking
up for us!!
-Ken
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Add xx to reply
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 12:48:26 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/17/2024 12:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 08:50:26 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:
On 1/17/2024 5:20 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
<snip>
I do, frequently. Unfortunately all the local shops around me have gone >>>>> "corporate", My in-town shop is now exclusive to Cannondale and their >>>>> associated brands, and the last shop that sponsored my team became a >>>>> Trek store. That means I can't find things like a derailleur clamp for a >>>>> braze-on derailleur at either shop any more, they would have to order >>>>> them from Problem Solvers just like I do (yes, I recently experienced >>>>> that very incident). Even accessories like bar tape are restricted by >>>>> their corporate branding. At least I'm not forced to go because I've >>>>> fucked something up.
Remember in 2021 when Tom had a fit that his local bike shop was
following the law regarding face coverings and he stormed out and then >>>> boasted about how he ordered online? See
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/7MGs55w41Qc/m/UGLx-2jPBgAJ>:
"So I came home and ordered the tires and tubes on-line for a fraction >>>> of what it would have cost me in their store and paid $140 or so."
I sent an e-mail to the founder of the bike store, thanking him for
being diligent about stopping the spread of Covid:
"Kudo's to Mikes Bikes for enforcing common-sense Covid-prevention
measures. Fortunately Tom just left without incident. Other covidiot
anti-maskers have been physically removed from stores like Walmart.
<https://youtu.be/f456x1Zvz3U>
<https://twitter.com/i/status/1292306240287248384>"
I got a reply and had an e-mail exchange:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ken Martin
Sep 4, 2021, 4:28?AM
I’m not familiar with this incident, and the attachment didn’t come >>>> through. Can you send it again, or a link to the post? -Ken -- Ken
Martin Founder & CEO Mike
---
Steven Scharf
Sep 4, 2021, 4:32?AM
to Ken
Here is a link to the thread on rec.bicycles.tech:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/7MGs55w41Qc
The person that started this was upset that an employee at your
Pleasanton store told him that he had to wear a mask. That person has a >>>> history of being a jerk.
---
Ken Martin
Sep 4, 2021, 4:36?AM
to me
Thank you. Wow, he really does sound like a jerk. Thanks for sticking >>>> up for us!!
-Ken
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I understood and respected that some businesses were required by law
to enforce face diapers, but when and where there was no law, I
sh*t-canned the mask and avoided businesses that required the useless
things.
I have never worn one. I was tossed out of one business and
politely asked to leave another over the course of a year
and a half. meh.
I'm seeing the damned things again. Like before, I always cough when I encounter one, except when out on a bike ride... I figure those people
are already suffering from some sort of brain damage.
Yeah, I see people wearing them out on their bicycles in the fresh air
far away from other people, especially anybody with covid.
On 1/17/2024 12:54 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 07:50:01 -0800 (PST),
"funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 8:16:01?AM UTC-5,
floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 07:37:54 -0500, Zen Cycle
<funkm...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 1/16/2024 4:40 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:<SNIP>
During his presidency, Obama called for stricter gun
laws and urged
Congress to reinstate the assault weapons ban
Which wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away, it would
have restricted
further sales.
Yes, Dummy, you see, the original assault weapons ban had a
grandfather clause that allowed a person to keep the
weapon if he'd
gotten it before the ban, so, a wise person who thought
they might
ever want one, went out and bought one, assuming a
reinstatement of
the ban would have the same grandfather clause.
I see, so in floriduh dumbass world,
"wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away, it would have
restricted further sales."
?
"person who thought they might ever want one, went out
and bought one, assuming a reinstatement of the ban would
have the same grandfather clause."
got it...dumbass.
Well. yes, Dummy, it's really simple, even a half wit like
you should
be able to understand. Read carefully what I wrote below.
Don't assume
you know what it says without reading it.
You see, the original ban disallowed owning the evil black
thing
unless* (THE NEXT TEXT IS REALLY IMPORTANT, DUMMY) *you'd
acquired it
before the ban went into effect.
OK, let me make it so fucking simple even a dumbshine state
dumbass like you can understand.
in floriduh dumbass world,
the legislation "wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away, it
would have restricted further sales."
is not equal to
"the original ban disallowed owning the evil black thing
unless* (THE NEXT TEXT IS REALLY IMPORTANT, DUMMY) *you'd
acquired it
before the ban went into effect"
got it...dumbass.
Are you taking tommy lessons?
On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 3:05:02 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/16/2024 5:03 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 16:45:24 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>I didn't know that, thanks.
On 1/16/2024 3:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
The people aren't buying that...Even John Kerry jumped ship. The remaining rats are at the
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/approval-rating >>>
rail...
Kerry is 80 years old. He plans to work on the Biden re-election
campaign:
<https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/13/john-kerry-biden-administration-re-election-campaign>
That isn't jumping ship.
Made for each other...
Do you suppose that is why Biden doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of winning?
On 1/17/2024 1:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 3:05:02?PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/16/2024 5:03 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 16:45:24 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>I didn't know that, thanks.
On 1/16/2024 3:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
The people aren't buying that...
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/approval-rating
Even John Kerry jumped ship. The remaining rats are at the
rail...
Kerry is 80 years old. He plans to work on the Biden re-election
campaign:
<https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/13/john-kerry-biden-administration-re-election-campaign>
That isn't jumping ship.
Made for each other...
Do you suppose that is why Biden doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of winning?
You, Sir, seem to be uninformed or naive:
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/2140-those-who-vote-decide-nothing-those-who-count-the-vote
On 1/17/2024 3:32 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Well right now today:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2024/1/5/24023878/assault-weapons-ban-illinois-registered-legal
there are purported English speakers who yet cannot define the word
'infringe'.
Right! I'm really peeved that I can't own hand grenades and practice
using them in my backyard! And what's with the stupid difficulty buying
fully automatic large bore machine guns? Then there are the disgusting >vehicle regulations that make it so hard to drive an Abrams tank on the
road! I want one for my _safety_!
All that stuff is infringement! But are people protesting? NO!
Here's the real problem: The NRA is all upset about little "pew pew pew" >small caliber guns. We need a Bomb Owners of America to _finally_
guarantee our rights to _real_ arms! Then men can finally feel manly!
On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 8:50:31?AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 1/17/2024 5:20 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:Your sticking up for Mike's Bikes doesn't seem to have helped them. They are presently in financial trouble no doubt from trying to enforce Fauci's mania. Would you like to meet somewhere to discuss it?
<snip>
I do, frequently. Unfortunately all the local shops around me have goneRemember in 2021 when Tom had a fit that his local bike shop was
"corporate", My in-town shop is now exclusive to Cannondale and their
associated brands, and the last shop that sponsored my team became a
Trek store. That means I can't find things like a derailleur clamp for a >> > braze-on derailleur at either shop any more, they would have to order
them from Problem Solvers just like I do (yes, I recently experienced
that very incident). Even accessories like bar tape are restricted by
their corporate branding. At least I'm not forced to go because I've
fucked something up.
following the law regarding face coverings and he stormed out and then
boasted about how he ordered online? See
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/7MGs55w41Qc/m/UGLx-2jPBgAJ>:
"So I came home and ordered the tires and tubes on-line for a fraction
of what it would have cost me in their store and paid $140 or so."
I sent an e-mail to the founder of the bike store, thanking him for
being diligent about stopping the spread of Covid:
"Kudo's to Mikes Bikes for enforcing common-sense Covid-prevention
measures. Fortunately Tom just left without incident. Other covidiot
anti-maskers have been physically removed from stores like Walmart.
<https://youtu.be/f456x1Zvz3U>
<https://twitter.com/i/status/1292306240287248384>"
I got a reply and had an e-mail exchange:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ken Martin
Sep 4, 2021, 4:28?AM
Im not familiar with this incident, and the attachment didnt come
through. Can you send it again, or a link to the post? -Ken -- Ken
Martin Founder & CEO Mike
---
Steven Scharf
Sep 4, 2021, 4:32?AM
to Ken
Here is a link to the thread on rec.bicycles.tech:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/7MGs55w41Qc
The person that started this was upset that an employee at your
Pleasanton store told him that he had to wear a mask. That person has a
history of being a jerk.
---
Ken Martin
Sep 4, 2021, 4:36?AM
to me
Thank you. Wow, he really does sound like a jerk. Thanks for sticking
up for us!!
-Ken
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.Tin Foil Awards
On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 9:08:41?a.m. UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 7:15 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 07:37:54 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com>Ask our contributor Mr Ridesalot about the permanence of
wrote:
On 1/16/2024 4:40 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 16:22:27 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 1/16/2024 4:19 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/16/2024 2:49 PM, sms wrote:
On 1/16/2024 9:14 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
I haven't laughed this hard in weeks. Generally speaking I won't miss
tommy when he can't post here any more, but I _will_ miss gems like >> >>>>>>> this.
That was the best!
FWIW, the great bicycle tube and tire shortage was during the Trump >> >>>>>> administration.
Trump should have gotten an award from the National Bicycle Dealers >> >>>>>> Association (NBDA) because it was his horrible botching of the
response to the Covid epidemic that led to the spectacular sales of >> >>>>>> bicycles, parts, and accessories.
<https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/16/857157196/bike-sales-gear-up-as-the-homebound-try-socially-distant-exercise>
Biden, with his competent response to Covid, ended the pandemic and >> >>>>>> bicycle sales plunged as people could go back to other activities.
During the pandemic, there was a big shortage to tubes and tires and >> >>>>>> prices skyrocketed. Now tubes and tires are readily available and
prices have fallen. I just bought 27.5" Kenda tubes for less than $4 >> >>>>>> each <https://www.ebay.com/itm/296093855956>.
Obama's competent handling of the economy ended the recession caused >> >>>>>> by W. "The economy improved markedly under former President Barack
Obama, from the start of 2009 through the end of 2016. Faced with the >> >>>>>> specter of another Great Depression in winter 2009, President Obama >> >>>>>> enacted a series of policies that helped the economy avoid that fate. >> >>>>>> The economy was growing again by the second half of 2009, and jobs
followed suit by early 2010. Economic growth continued apace for the >> >>>>>> rest of President Obamas time in office, and job growth logged its >> >>>>>> longest expansion on record by early 2017, dating back to 1939.1
Employment opportunities improved, the unemployment rate fell, wages >> >>>>>> eventually increased, and household debt dropped sharply."
Biden is reversing the failures of the Trump economy, with spectacular
job growth, low unemployment, and a record stock market. The inflation
caused by the spending during the pandemic is coming down nicely.
Does the Obama Team (2009~16 and 2021~present) get credit for firearms >> >>>>> sales?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/249740/percentage-of-households-in-the-united-states-owning-a-firearm/
Indirectly - A large number of people bought into the lie spread by the >> >>>> NRA/GOP that Obama was going to take everyone's guns.
During his presidency, Obama called for stricter gun laws and urged
Congress to reinstate the assault weapons ban
Which wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away, it would have restricted
further sales.
<SNIP>
Yes, Dummy, you see, the original assault weapons ban had a
grandfather clause that allowed a person to keep the weapon if he'd
gotten it before the ban, so, a wise person who thought they might
ever want one, went out and bought one, assuming a reinstatement of
the ban would have the same grandfather clause.
such assurances.
--
Andrew Muzi
a...@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Like when the people of High River registered their long guns and during a flood the RCMP went into the homes and took those ling guns. Gee, I wonder how the RCMP knew which homes had a ling gun in them?
It seems to me that our governments want only the authorities and criminals to have guns. The laws that the government pass only penalize law abiding gun owners and don't seem to do much to prevent the criminals from getting guns.
Cheers
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 15:01:14 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
You really aren't paying attention. I would have thought dumbing it down
for you would have worked, but I see I'll have to go even simpler with a
thought exercise (try hard little kitty, I know it's tough without your
mommy here to help you, but if you go slow a read carefully you just
might get it.)
I wrote:
The legislation "wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away, it would have
restricted further sales."
You wrote:
" [a]person who thought they might ever want one, went out and bought
one, assuming a reinstatement of the ban would have the same grandfather
clause."
Can you spot the difference in those two statements?
<EYEROLL> Your statement was a not completely true statement about the government not taking guns away.
My statement was about why people bought guns before the potential ban
took place, hoping they would be able to keep them after the ban took
place, as the earlier ban had allowed.
Of course they're different.
Are you confused about what the "grandfather clause" was?
On 1/17/2024 3:12 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 15:01:14 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
You really aren't paying attention. I would have thought dumbing it down >>> for you would have worked, but I see I'll have to go even simpler with a >>> thought exercise (try hard little kitty, I know it's tough without your
mommy here to help you, but if you go slow a read carefully you just
might get it.)
I wrote:
The legislation "wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away, it would have
restricted further sales."
You wrote:
" [a]person who thought they might ever want one, went out and bought
one, assuming a reinstatement of the ban would have the same grandfather >>> clause."
Can you spot the difference in those two statements?
<EYEROLL> Your statement was a not completely true statement about the
government not taking guns away.
Yes, it was. The ban wouldn't have taken any legally purchase weapons.
My statement was about why people bought guns before the potential ban
took place, hoping they would be able to keep them after the ban took
place, as the earlier ban had allowed.
Of course they're different.
No, they aren't, you're trying to play a semantic game because I burned
your ass so badly over the AR15
Are you confused about what the "grandfather clause" was?
in this context it's "wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away"
Of course, dumbass, I mean 'legally acquired', not weapons that were >purchased illegally (after the ban), of course those would be
confiscated if found, but I wasn't referring to guns purchased after a
ban, dumbass.
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 18:24:28 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 1/17/2024 3:12 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 15:01:14 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
You really aren't paying attention. I would have thought dumbing it down >>>> for you would have worked, but I see I'll have to go even simpler with a >>>> thought exercise (try hard little kitty, I know it's tough without your >>>> mommy here to help you, but if you go slow a read carefully you just
might get it.)
I wrote:
The legislation "wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away, it would have >>>> restricted further sales."
You wrote:
" [a]person who thought they might ever want one, went out and bought
one, assuming a reinstatement of the ban would have the same grandfather >>>> clause."
Can you spot the difference in those two statements?
<EYEROLL> Your statement was a not completely true statement about the
government not taking guns away.
Yes, it was. The ban wouldn't have taken any legally purchase weapons.
<LOL> Legally purchased... except when you give your legally purchased
gun to your son, friend, neighbor.
My statement was about why people bought guns before the potential ban
took place, hoping they would be able to keep them after the ban took
place, as the earlier ban had allowed.
Of course they're different.
No, they aren't, you're trying to play a semantic game because I burned
your ass so badly over the AR15
You haven't made that case
Grandfather clause was all about why gun sales increased during the
Obama administration.
Are you confused about what the "grandfather clause" was?
in this context it's "wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away"
exceptions noted above... However the proposed ban was what
contributed to the increase in gun sales during the Obama
administration... which was what this discussion was all about before
you went off on this "legally purchased" tangent.
Of course, dumbass, I mean 'legally acquired', not weapons that were
purchased illegally (after the ban), of course those would be
confiscated if found, but I wasn't referring to guns purchased after a
ban, dumbass.
Purchased, or otherwise transferred, Dummy...
However the proposed ban was what contributed to the increase in gun
sales during the Obama administration... which was what this
discuission was all about before you went off on this "legally
purchased" tangent.
On 1/17/2024 3:32 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Well right now today:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2024/1/5/24023878/assault-weapons-ban-illinois-registered-legal
there are purported English speakers who yet cannot define
the word 'infringe'.
Right! I'm really peeved that I can't own hand grenades and
practice using them in my backyard! And what's with the
stupid difficulty buying fully automatic large bore machine
guns? Then there are the disgusting vehicle regulations that
make it so hard to drive an Abrams tank on the road! I want
one for my _safety_!
All that stuff is infringement! But are people protesting? NO!
Here's the real problem: The NRA is all upset about little
"pew pew pew" small caliber guns. We need a Bomb Owners of
America to _finally_ guarantee our rights to _real_ arms!
Then men can finally feel manly!
On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 7:08:41 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:there was, his father died there. Flunky will not be appreciative should we ever meet, with his belief that Obama's full intent was to get a foot in the door and take all guns away and Flunky's claim otherwise. Were the phrase "NRA" to pass his lips it
On 1/17/2024 7:15 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 07:37:54 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com>Ask our contributor Mr Ridesalot about the permanence of
wrote:
On 1/16/2024 4:40 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 16:22:27 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkm...@hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote:
On 1/16/2024 4:19 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/16/2024 2:49 PM, sms wrote:
On 1/16/2024 9:14 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
I haven't laughed this hard in weeks. Generally speaking I won't miss >>>>>>>>> tommy when he can't post here any more, but I _will_ miss gems like >>>>>>>>> this.
That was the best!
FWIW, the great bicycle tube and tire shortage was during the Trump >>>>>>>> administration.
Trump should have gotten an award from the National Bicycle Dealers >>>>>>>> Association (NBDA) because it was his horrible botching of the >>>>>>>> response to the Covid epidemic that led to the spectacular sales of >>>>>>>> bicycles, parts, and accessories.
<https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/16/857157196/bike-sales-gear-up-as-the-homebound-try-socially-distant-exercise>
Biden, with his competent response to Covid, ended the pandemic and >>>>>>>> bicycle sales plunged as people could go back to other activities. >>>>>>>>
During the pandemic, there was a big shortage to tubes and tires and >>>>>>>> prices skyrocketed. Now tubes and tires are readily available and >>>>>>>> prices have fallen. I just bought 27.5" Kenda tubes for less than $4 >>>>>>>> each <https://www.ebay.com/itm/296093855956>.
Obama's competent handling of the economy ended the recession caused >>>>>>>> by W. "The economy improved markedly under former President Barack >>>>>>>> Obama, from the start of 2009 through the end of 2016. Faced with the >>>>>>>> specter of another Great Depression in winter 2009, President Obama >>>>>>>> enacted a series of policies that helped the economy avoid that fate. >>>>>>>> The economy was growing again by the second half of 2009, and jobs >>>>>>>> followed suit by early 2010. Economic growth continued apace for the >>>>>>>> rest of President Obama’s time in office, and job growth logged its >>>>>>>> longest expansion on record by early 2017, dating back to 1939.1 >>>>>>>> Employment opportunities improved, the unemployment rate fell, wages >>>>>>>> eventually increased, and household debt dropped sharply."
Biden is reversing the failures of the Trump economy, with spectacular >>>>>>>> job growth, low unemployment, and a record stock market. The inflation >>>>>>>> caused by the spending during the pandemic is coming down nicely. >>>>>>>>
Does the Obama Team (2009~16 and 2021~present) get credit for firearms >>>>>>> sales?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/249740/percentage-of-households-in-the-united-states-owning-a-firearm/
Indirectly - A large number of people bought into the lie spread by the >>>>>> NRA/GOP that Obama was going to take everyone's guns.
During his presidency, Obama called for stricter gun laws and urged
Congress to reinstate the assault weapons ban
Which wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away, it would have restricted >>>> further sales.
<SNIP>
Yes, Dummy, you see, the original assault weapons ban had a
grandfather clause that allowed a person to keep the weapon if he'd
gotten it before the ban, so, a wise person who thought they might
ever want one, went out and bought one, assuming a reinstatement of
the ban would have the same grandfather clause.
such assurances.
--
Andrew Muzi
a...@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
As I said before my best childhood friend is still alive and retired from the US Marine Corp. Ask him about the Democrats belief in the Constitution since he spent the WW II years in the Manzanar Concentration Camp. Without access to what medical care
On 1/17/2024 6:55 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 18:24:28 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 1/17/2024 3:12 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 15:01:14 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> >>>> wrote:
You really aren't paying attention. I would have thought dumbing it down >>>>> for you would have worked, but I see I'll have to go even simpler with a >>>>> thought exercise (try hard little kitty, I know it's tough without your >>>>> mommy here to help you, but if you go slow a read carefully you just >>>>> might get it.)
I wrote:
The legislation "wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away, it would have >>>>> restricted further sales."
You wrote:
" [a]person who thought they might ever want one, went out and bought >>>>> one, assuming a reinstatement of the ban would have the same grandfather >>>>> clause."
Can you spot the difference in those two statements?
<EYEROLL> Your statement was a not completely true statement about the >>>> government not taking guns away.
Yes, it was. The ban wouldn't have taken any legally purchase weapons.
<LOL> Legally purchased... except when you give your legally purchased
gun to your son, friend, neighbor.
That isn't how grandfathering works, dumbass. If transfers were allowed
under the grandfathering legislation, they wouldn't be illegal, get it?
My statement was about why people bought guns before the potential ban >>>> took place, hoping they would be able to keep them after the ban took
place, as the earlier ban had allowed.
Of course they're different.
No, they aren't, you're trying to play a semantic game because I burned
your ass so badly over the AR15
You haven't made that case
Yes, I did, you brought nothing to bear other than a contrived opinion.
... But clearly my statement about the
Grandfather clause was all about why gun sales increased during the
Obama administration.
Are you confused about what the "grandfather clause" was?
in this context it's "wouldn't have taken anyone's guns away"
exceptions noted above... However the proposed ban was what
contributed to the increase in gun sales during the Obama
administration... which was what this discussion was all about before
you went off on this "legally purchased" tangent.
And I didn't disagree with that fact that a proposed ban spurred sales, >asshole, You're the ignorant douche playing semantic games (badly)
Of course, dumbass, I mean 'legally acquired', not weapons that were
purchased illegally (after the ban), of course those would be
confiscated if found, but I wasn't referring to guns purchased after a
ban, dumbass.
Purchased, or otherwise transferred, Dummy...
Of course, we see the way you interpret legal documentation - just like >humpty dumpty
However the proposed ban was what contributed to the increase in gun
sales during the Obama administration... which was what this
discuission was all about before you went off on this "legally
purchased" tangent.
Again, dumbass, I wasn't disagreeing with the idea that a proposed ban >spurred sales. This is just you being a floriduh dumbass trying to
troll, and failing miserably as usual. Qualifying as 'legally purchased
(or other wise transferred)' is a critical point to the discussion such
that I would have thought it was implied and didn't need to be stated,
but then just when I think you couldn't be any more of a dumbass, you go
and outdo yourself with even more dumbassery.
I think Junior doesn't quite understand that I generally consider his
nonsense posts to be not worth reading,
Sure dumbass, that's why you keep responding, right? <eyeroll>
4On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 06:20:40 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 03:04:33 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com" >><funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think Junior doesn't quite understand that I generally consider his
nonsense posts to be not worth reading,
Sure dumbass, that's why you keep responding, right? <eyeroll>
I sometimes repond because I enjoy seeing you rant and rave about
things you can't deal with. Other times I open your posts and see
your hateful rhetoric and just roll my eyes.
Think of it as doing a kindness. After all he has to nag someone, how
else to demonstrate his superiority? And if you didn't respond he'd be >reduced to nagging poor old Tom.
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 03:04:33 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com" <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think Junior doesn't quite understand that I generally consider his
nonsense posts to be not worth reading,
Sure dumbass, that's why you keep responding, right? <eyeroll>
I sometimes repond because I enjoy seeing you rant and rave about
things you can't deal with.
Other times I open your posts and see
your hateful rhetoric and just roll my eyes.
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 19:26:41 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
4On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 06:20:40 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 03:04:33 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think Junior doesn't quite understand that I generally consider his >>>>> nonsense posts to be not worth reading,
Sure dumbass, that's why you keep responding, right? <eyeroll>
I sometimes repond because I enjoy seeing you rant and rave about
things you can't deal with. Other times I open your posts and see
your hateful rhetoric and just roll my eyes.
Think of it as doing a kindness. After all he has to nag someone, how
else to demonstrate his superiority? And if you didn't respond he'd be
reduced to nagging poor old Tom.
Even though I was all grown up before the "flowers_in_your_hair, flowers_everywhere" generation, I don't understand all the hatred.
On 1/18/2024 7:58 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 19:26:41 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
4On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 06:20:40 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 03:04:33 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think Junior doesn't quite understand that I generally consider his >>>>>> nonsense posts to be not worth reading,
Sure dumbass, that's why you keep responding, right? <eyeroll>
I sometimes repond because I enjoy seeing you rant and rave about
things you can't deal with. Other times I open your posts and see
your hateful rhetoric and just roll my eyes.
Think of it as doing a kindness. After all he has to nag someone, how
else to demonstrate his superiority? And if you didn't respond he'd be
reduced to nagging poor old Tom.
Even though I was all grown up before the "flowers_in_your_hair,
flowers_everywhere" generation, I don't understand all the hatred.
Serious introspection would be a good place to start.
4On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 06:20:40 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 03:04:33 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think Junior doesn't quite understand that I generally consider his
nonsense posts to be not worth reading,
Sure dumbass, that's why you keep responding, right? <eyeroll>
I sometimes repond because I enjoy seeing you rant and rave about
things you can't deal with. Other times I open your posts and see
your hateful rhetoric and just roll my eyes.
Think of it as doing a kindness. After all he has to nag someone, how
else to demonstrate his superiority? And if you didn't respond he'd be reduced to nagging poor old Tom.
On 1/17/2024 8:24 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 3:32 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Well right now today:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2024/1/5/24023878/assault-weapons-ban-illinois-registered-legal
there are purported English speakers who yet cannot
define the word 'infringe'.
Right! I'm really peeved that I can't own hand grenades
and practice using them in my backyard! And what's with
the stupid difficulty buying fully automatic large bore
machine guns? Then there are the disgusting vehicle
regulations that make it so hard to drive an Abrams tank
on the road! I want one for my _safety_!
All that stuff is infringement! But are people
protesting? NO!
Here's the real problem: The NRA is all upset about
little "pew pew pew" small caliber guns. We need a Bomb
Owners of America to _finally_ guarantee our rights to
_real_ arms! Then men can finally feel manly!
The relevant document says 'right to bear arms shall not
be infringed'. A perusal of period military reports,
especially quartermaster reports after captured sites,
distinguishes between 'guns' (artillery, field pieces,
mountain guns etc) and borne or small arms (rifles mostly
but pistols as well, if rarely). Good luck with an
argument for hand grenades or mobile artillery.
Hmm. So you're saying the second amendment applies to the
arms that a "perusal of the period military reports" show
could be "borne"?
I'm all for that interpretation. So is Jim Jeffries: https://youtu.be/a9UFyNy-rw4?t=421
On 1/17/2024 7:37 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 8:24 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 3:32 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Well right now today:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2024/1/5/24023878/assault-weapons-ban-illinois-registered-legal
there are purported English speakers who yet cannot define the word
'infringe'.
Right! I'm really peeved that I can't own hand grenades and practice
using them in my backyard! And what's with the stupid difficulty
buying fully automatic large bore machine guns? Then there are the
disgusting vehicle regulations that make it so hard to drive an
Abrams tank on the road! I want one for my _safety_!
All that stuff is infringement! But are people protesting? NO!
Here's the real problem: The NRA is all upset about little "pew pew
pew" small caliber guns. We need a Bomb Owners of America to
_finally_ guarantee our rights to _real_ arms! Then men can finally
feel manly!
The relevant document says 'right to bear arms shall not be
infringed'. A perusal of period military reports, especially
quartermaster reports after captured sites, distinguishes between
'guns' (artillery, field pieces, mountain guns etc) and borne or
small arms (rifles mostly but pistols as well, if rarely). Good luck
with an argument for hand grenades or mobile artillery.
Hmm. So you're saying the second amendment applies to the arms that a
"perusal of the period military reports" show could be "borne"?
I'm all for that interpretation. So is Jim Jeffries:
https://youtu.be/a9UFyNy-rw4?t=421
Yes, I am. Generally we look to common usage of the Framers' era to understand their text.
Others seem to think that words have no meaning and all definitions are fluid, depending on one man's whim:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/1676898/biden-aims-to-sign-on-to-uns-global-gun-registration-treaty/
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 08:05:16 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 1/18/2024 7:58 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 19:26:41 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
4On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 06:20:40 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 03:04:33 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think Junior doesn't quite understand that I generally consider his >>>>>>> nonsense posts to be not worth reading,
Sure dumbass, that's why you keep responding, right? <eyeroll>
I sometimes repond because I enjoy seeing you rant and rave about
things you can't deal with. Other times I open your posts and see
your hateful rhetoric and just roll my eyes.
Think of it as doing a kindness. After all he has to nag someone, how
else to demonstrate his superiority? And if you didn't respond he'd be >>>> reduced to nagging poor old Tom.
Even though I was all grown up before the "flowers_in_your_hair,
flowers_everywhere" generation, I don't understand all the hatred.
Serious introspection would be a good place to start.
I don't hate you, Junior, but I do pity you a bit. All that anger...
Tsk, tsk, tsk....
On 1/18/2024 9:06 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 7:37 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 8:24 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 3:32 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Well right now today:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2024/1/5/24023878/assault-weapons-ban-illinois-registered-legal
there are purported English speakers who yet cannot
define the word 'infringe'.
Right! I'm really peeved that I can't own hand grenades
and practice using them in my backyard! And what's with
the stupid difficulty buying fully automatic large bore
machine guns? Then there are the disgusting vehicle
regulations that make it so hard to drive an Abrams
tank on the road! I want one for my _safety_!
All that stuff is infringement! But are people
protesting? NO!
Here's the real problem: The NRA is all upset about
little "pew pew pew" small caliber guns. We need a Bomb
Owners of America to _finally_ guarantee our rights to
_real_ arms! Then men can finally feel manly!
The relevant document says 'right to bear arms shall not
be infringed'. A perusal of period military reports,
especially quartermaster reports after captured sites,
distinguishes between 'guns' (artillery, field pieces,
mountain guns etc) and borne or small arms (rifles
mostly but pistols as well, if rarely). Good luck with
an argument for hand grenades or mobile artillery.
Hmm. So you're saying the second amendment applies to the
arms that a "perusal of the period military reports" show
could be "borne"?
I'm all for that interpretation. So is Jim Jeffries:
https://youtu.be/a9UFyNy-rw4?t=421
Yes, I am. Generally we look to common usage of the
Framers' era to understand their text.
Others seem to think that words have no meaning and all
definitions are fluid, depending on one man's whim:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/1676898/biden-aims-to-sign-on-to-uns-global-gun-registration-treaty/
Of course he is!....or not:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-biden-arms-trade-treaty-registry-551206015533
"There is no “U.N. Small Arms Treaty.” A separate U.N.
agreement, the Arms Trade Treaty, regulates the
international trade of a range of weapons. It does not track
domestic gun sales. While former President Donald Trump
symbolically withdrew from that treaty in 2019, the U.S.
technically remains a signatory. The agreement was never
ratified by the Senate, and Biden hasn’t taken any further
action on it."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/10/26/fact-check-false-claim-us-joining-international-gun-registry/10530099002/
"The U.S. is not set to join any such treaty, according to a
State Department spokesperson. Experts said the Arms Trade
Treaty, which appears to be the treaty referenced in the
post, would not establish an international gun registry."
(Any washington examiner claim is immediately as suspect as
any claim from kunich or shitstain)
On 1/18/2024 8:24 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 1/18/2024 9:06 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 7:37 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 8:24 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 3:32 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Well right now today:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2024/1/5/24023878/assault-weapons-ban-illinois-registered-legal
there are purported English speakers who yet cannot define the
word 'infringe'.
Right! I'm really peeved that I can't own hand grenades and
practice using them in my backyard! And what's with the stupid
difficulty buying fully automatic large bore machine guns? Then
there are the disgusting vehicle regulations that make it so hard
to drive an Abrams tank on the road! I want one for my _safety_!
All that stuff is infringement! But are people protesting? NO!
Here's the real problem: The NRA is all upset about little "pew
pew pew" small caliber guns. We need a Bomb Owners of America to
_finally_ guarantee our rights to _real_ arms! Then men can
finally feel manly!
The relevant document says 'right to bear arms shall not be
infringed'. A perusal of period military reports, especially
quartermaster reports after captured sites, distinguishes between
'guns' (artillery, field pieces, mountain guns etc) and borne or
small arms (rifles mostly but pistols as well, if rarely). Good
luck with an argument for hand grenades or mobile artillery.
Hmm. So you're saying the second amendment applies to the arms that
a "perusal of the period military reports" show could be "borne"?
I'm all for that interpretation. So is Jim Jeffries:
https://youtu.be/a9UFyNy-rw4?t=421
Yes, I am. Generally we look to common usage of the Framers' era to
understand their text.
Others seem to think that words have no meaning and all definitions
are fluid, depending on one man's whim:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/1676898/biden-aims-to-sign-on-to-uns-global-gun-registration-treaty/
Of course he is!....or not:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-biden-arms-trade-treaty-registry-551206015533
"There is no “U.N. Small Arms Treaty.” A separate U.N. agreement, the
Arms Trade Treaty, regulates the international trade of a range of
weapons. It does not track domestic gun sales. While former President
Donald Trump symbolically withdrew from that treaty in 2019, the U.S.
technically remains a signatory. The agreement was never ratified by
the Senate, and Biden hasn’t taken any further action on it."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/10/26/fact-check-false-claim-us-joining-international-gun-registry/10530099002/
"The U.S. is not set to join any such treaty, according to a State
Department spokesperson. Experts said the Arms Trade Treaty, which
appears to be the treaty referenced in the post, would not establish
an international gun registry."
(Any washington examiner claim is immediately as suspect as any claim
from kunich or shitstain)
And you can believe them! After all, this administration repeats daily
that 'the border is secure'.
On 1/18/2024 6:04 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:transactions that states the history of the program.
I quote from the official government report, dumbass. You state nothing but contrived opinion. Yes, I know, it kitty world, the contrived opinion of a floriduh dumbass is more accurate and valid than a government report referencing the actual
Gosh! You mean the tricycle rider from Florida posted something that
wasn't _documented_? Why, how can that be? He demands perfect
documentation from others!
:-)
On 1/18/2024 9:33 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/18/2024 8:24 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 1/18/2024 9:06 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 7:37 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 8:24 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 3:32 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Well right now today:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2024/1/5/24023878/assault-weapons-ban-illinois-registered-legal
there are purported English speakers who yet cannot
define the word 'infringe'.
Right! I'm really peeved that I can't own hand
grenades and practice using them in my backyard! And
what's with the stupid difficulty buying fully
automatic large bore machine guns? Then there are the
disgusting vehicle regulations that make it so hard
to drive an Abrams tank on the road! I want one for
my _safety_!
All that stuff is infringement! But are people
protesting? NO!
Here's the real problem: The NRA is all upset about
little "pew pew pew" small caliber guns. We need a
Bomb Owners of America to _finally_ guarantee our
rights to _real_ arms! Then men can finally feel manly!
The relevant document says 'right to bear arms shall
not be infringed'. A perusal of period military
reports, especially quartermaster reports after
captured sites, distinguishes between 'guns'
(artillery, field pieces, mountain guns etc) and borne
or small arms (rifles mostly but pistols as well, if
rarely). Good luck with an argument for hand grenades
or mobile artillery.
Hmm. So you're saying the second amendment applies to
the arms that a "perusal of the period military
reports" show could be "borne"?
I'm all for that interpretation. So is Jim Jeffries:
https://youtu.be/a9UFyNy-rw4?t=421
Yes, I am. Generally we look to common usage of the
Framers' era to understand their text.
Others seem to think that words have no meaning and all
definitions are fluid, depending on one man's whim:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/1676898/biden-aims-to-sign-on-to-uns-global-gun-registration-treaty/
Of course he is!....or not:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-biden-arms-trade-treaty-registry-551206015533
"There is no “U.N. Small Arms Treaty.” A separate U.N.
agreement, the Arms Trade Treaty, regulates the
international trade of a range of weapons. It does not
track domestic gun sales. While former President Donald
Trump symbolically withdrew from that treaty in 2019, the
U.S. technically remains a signatory. The agreement was
never ratified by the Senate, and Biden hasn’t taken any
further action on it."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/10/26/fact-check-false-claim-us-joining-international-gun-registry/10530099002/
"The U.S. is not set to join any such treaty, according
to a State Department spokesperson. Experts said the Arms
Trade Treaty, which appears to be the treaty referenced
in the post, would not establish an international gun
registry."
(Any washington examiner claim is immediately as suspect
as any claim from kunich or shitstain)
And you can believe them! After all, this administration
repeats daily that 'the border is secure'.
Do they?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2024/01/16/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-and-nsc-coordinator-for-strategic-communications-john-kirby-38/
Nothing there even remotely close to 'the border is secure'.
Do you have a link to a Biden quote or a WH press release
stating the border is secure, and/or there are no issues
with border security? I'd be interested in reading that.
On 1/18/2024 9:06 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 7:37 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 8:24 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 3:32 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Well right now today:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2024/1/5/24023878/assault-weapons-ban-illinois-registered-legal
there are purported English speakers who yet cannot define the word >>>>>> 'infringe'.
Right! I'm really peeved that I can't own hand grenades and practice >>>>> using them in my backyard! And what's with the stupid difficulty
buying fully automatic large bore machine guns? Then there are the
disgusting vehicle regulations that make it so hard to drive an
Abrams tank on the road! I want one for my _safety_!
All that stuff is infringement! But are people protesting? NO!
Here's the real problem: The NRA is all upset about little "pew pew
pew" small caliber guns. We need a Bomb Owners of America to
_finally_ guarantee our rights to _real_ arms! Then men can finally
feel manly!
The relevant document says 'right to bear arms shall not be
infringed'. A perusal of period military reports, especially
quartermaster reports after captured sites, distinguishes between
'guns' (artillery, field pieces, mountain guns etc) and borne or
small arms (rifles mostly but pistols as well, if rarely). Good luck
with an argument for hand grenades or mobile artillery.
Hmm. So you're saying the second amendment applies to the arms that a
"perusal of the period military reports" show could be "borne"?
I'm all for that interpretation. So is Jim Jeffries:
https://youtu.be/a9UFyNy-rw4?t=421
Yes, I am. Generally we look to common usage of the Framers' era to
understand their text.
Good! Since the common usage in the framers era had no concept of 30
round magazines that can be emptied in a few seconds into rooms full of >innocents, perhaps we can use that to move toward rational gun policies.
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 12:04:31 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 1/18/2024 9:06 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 7:37 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 8:24 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 3:32 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Well right now today:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2024/1/5/24023878/assault-weapons-ban-illinois-registered-legal
there are purported English speakers who yet cannot define the word >>>>>>> 'infringe'.
Right! I'm really peeved that I can't own hand grenades and practice >>>>>> using them in my backyard! And what's with the stupid difficulty
buying fully automatic large bore machine guns? Then there are the >>>>>> disgusting vehicle regulations that make it so hard to drive an
Abrams tank on the road! I want one for my _safety_!
All that stuff is infringement! But are people protesting? NO!
Here's the real problem: The NRA is all upset about little "pew pew >>>>>> pew" small caliber guns. We need a Bomb Owners of America to
_finally_ guarantee our rights to _real_ arms! Then men can finally >>>>>> feel manly!
The relevant document says 'right to bear arms shall not be
infringed'. A perusal of period military reports, especially
quartermaster reports after captured sites, distinguishes between
'guns' (artillery, field pieces, mountain guns etc) and borne or
small arms (rifles mostly but pistols as well, if rarely). Good luck >>>>> with an argument for hand grenades or mobile artillery.
Hmm. So you're saying the second amendment applies to the arms that a
"perusal of the period military reports" show could be "borne"?
I'm all for that interpretation. So is Jim Jeffries:
https://youtu.be/a9UFyNy-rw4?t=421
Yes, I am. Generally we look to common usage of the Framers' era to
understand their text.
Good! Since the common usage in the framers era had no concept of 30
round magazines that can be emptied in a few seconds into rooms full of
innocents, perhaps we can use that to move toward rational gun policies.
Banning "assault weapons" was tried. It didn't accomplish what it was supposed to do.
On 1/18/2024 12:17 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/18/2024 9:15 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 1/18/2024 9:33 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/18/2024 8:24 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 1/18/2024 9:06 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 7:37 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 8:24 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 3:32 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Well right now today:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2024/1/5/24023878/assault-weapons-ban-illinois-registered-legal
there are purported English speakers who yet
cannot define the word 'infringe'.
Right! I'm really peeved that I can't own hand
grenades and practice using them in my backyard!
And what's with the stupid difficulty buying fully
automatic large bore machine guns? Then there are
the disgusting vehicle regulations that make it so
hard to drive an Abrams tank on the road! I want
one for my _safety_!
All that stuff is infringement! But are people
protesting? NO!
Here's the real problem: The NRA is all upset about
little "pew pew pew" small caliber guns. We need a
Bomb Owners of America to _finally_ guarantee our
rights to _real_ arms! Then men can finally feel
manly!
The relevant document says 'right to bear arms shall
not be infringed'. A perusal of period military
reports, especially quartermaster reports after
captured sites, distinguishes between 'guns'
(artillery, field pieces, mountain guns etc) and
borne or small arms (rifles mostly but pistols as
well, if rarely). Good luck with an argument for
hand grenades or mobile artillery.
Hmm. So you're saying the second amendment applies to
the arms that a "perusal of the period military
reports" show could be "borne"?
I'm all for that interpretation. So is Jim Jeffries:
https://youtu.be/a9UFyNy-rw4?t=421
Yes, I am. Generally we look to common usage of the
Framers' era to understand their text.
Others seem to think that words have no meaning and
all definitions are fluid, depending on one man's whim:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/1676898/biden-aims-to-sign-on-to-uns-global-gun-registration-treaty/
Of course he is!....or not:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-biden-arms-trade-treaty-registry-551206015533
"There is no “U.N. Small Arms Treaty.” A separate U.N.
agreement, the Arms Trade Treaty, regulates the
international trade of a range of weapons. It does not
track domestic gun sales. While former President Donald
Trump symbolically withdrew from that treaty in 2019,
the U.S. technically remains a signatory. The agreement
was never ratified by the Senate, and Biden hasn’t
taken any further action on it."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/10/26/fact-check-false-claim-us-joining-international-gun-registry/10530099002/
"The U.S. is not set to join any such treaty, according
to a State Department spokesperson. Experts said the
Arms Trade Treaty, which appears to be the treaty
referenced in the post, would not establish an
international gun registry."
(Any washington examiner claim is immediately as
suspect as any claim from kunich or shitstain)
And you can believe them! After all, this
administration repeats daily that 'the border is secure'.
Do they?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2024/01/16/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-and-nsc-coordinator-for-strategic-communications-john-kirby-38/
Nothing there even remotely close to 'the border is secure'.
Do you have a link to a Biden quote or a WH press release
stating the border is secure, and/or there are no issues
with border security? I'd be interested in reading that.
Start at 0:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMon6O_zSj4
I gave up halfway through. Nothing I heard proved your
point. Try again?
On 1/18/2024 12:34 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/18/2024 12:17 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/18/2024 9:15 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 1/18/2024 9:33 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/18/2024 8:24 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 1/18/2024 9:06 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 7:37 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 8:24 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 3:32 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Well right now today:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2024/1/5/24023878/assault-weapons-ban-illinois-registered-legal
there are purported English speakers who yet cannot define >>>>>>>>>>> the word 'infringe'.
Right! I'm really peeved that I can't own hand grenades and >>>>>>>>>> practice using them in my backyard! And what's with the stupid >>>>>>>>>> difficulty buying fully automatic large bore machine guns? >>>>>>>>>> Then there are the disgusting vehicle regulations that make it >>>>>>>>>> so hard to drive an Abrams tank on the road! I want one for my >>>>>>>>>> _safety_!
All that stuff is infringement! But are people protesting? NO! >>>>>>>>>>
Here's the real problem: The NRA is all upset about little >>>>>>>>>> "pew pew pew" small caliber guns. We need a Bomb Owners of >>>>>>>>>> America to _finally_ guarantee our rights to _real_ arms! Then >>>>>>>>>> men can finally feel manly!
The relevant document says 'right to bear arms shall not be
infringed'. A perusal of period military reports, especially >>>>>>>>> quartermaster reports after captured sites, distinguishes
between 'guns' (artillery, field pieces, mountain guns etc) and >>>>>>>>> borne or small arms (rifles mostly but pistols as well, if
rarely). Good luck with an argument for hand grenades or
mobile artillery.
Hmm. So you're saying the second amendment applies to the arms >>>>>>>> that a "perusal of the period military reports" show could be
"borne"?
I'm all for that interpretation. So is Jim Jeffries:
https://youtu.be/a9UFyNy-rw4?t=421
Yes, I am. Generally we look to common usage of the Framers' era >>>>>>> to understand their text.
Others seem to think that words have no meaning and all
definitions are fluid, depending on one man's whim:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/1676898/biden-aims-to-sign-on-to-uns-global-gun-registration-treaty/
Of course he is!....or not:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-biden-arms-trade-treaty-registry-551206015533
"There is no “U.N. Small Arms Treaty.” A separate U.N. agreement, >>>>>> the Arms Trade Treaty, regulates the international trade of a
range of weapons. It does not track domestic gun sales. While
former President Donald Trump symbolically withdrew from that
treaty in 2019, the U.S. technically remains a signatory. The
agreement was never ratified by the Senate, and Biden hasn’t taken >>>>>> any further action on it."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/10/26/fact-check-false-claim-us-joining-international-gun-registry/10530099002/
"The U.S. is not set to join any such treaty, according to a State >>>>>> Department spokesperson. Experts said the Arms Trade Treaty, which >>>>>> appears to be the treaty referenced in the post, would not
establish an international gun registry."
(Any washington examiner claim is immediately as suspect as any
claim from kunich or shitstain)
And you can believe them! After all, this administration repeats
daily that 'the border is secure'.
Do they?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2024/01/16/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-and-nsc-coordinator-for-strategic-communications-john-kirby-38/
Nothing there even remotely close to 'the border is secure'.
Do you have a link to a Biden quote or a WH press release stating
the border is secure, and/or there are no issues with border
security? I'd be interested in reading that.
Start at 0:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMon6O_zSj4
I gave up halfway through. Nothing I heard proved your point. Try again?
Mayorkas has claimed that repeatedly, including in House testimony. An
NBC News interview video is here: https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/05/05/mayorkas-not-worried-about-title-42-ending-the-border-is-secure-because-we-are-maximizing-our-resources-for-most-effective-results/
Try 1:06 of the two minute video.
The super cute and hot Press Secretary says the same stupid stuff BTW.
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 08:33:54 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/18/2024 8:24 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 1/18/2024 9:06 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 7:37 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 8:24 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 3:32 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Well right now today:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2024/1/5/24023878/assault-weapons-ban-illinois-registered-legal
there are purported English speakers who yet cannot
define the word 'infringe'.
Right! I'm really peeved that I can't own hand grenades
and practice using them in my backyard! And what's with
the stupid difficulty buying fully automatic large bore
machine guns? Then there are the disgusting vehicle
regulations that make it so hard to drive an Abrams
tank on the road! I want one for my _safety_!
All that stuff is infringement! But are people
protesting? NO!
Here's the real problem: The NRA is all upset about
little "pew pew pew" small caliber guns. We need a Bomb
Owners of America to _finally_ guarantee our rights to
_real_ arms! Then men can finally feel manly!
The relevant document says 'right to bear arms shall not
be infringed'. A perusal of period military reports,
especially quartermaster reports after captured sites,
distinguishes between 'guns' (artillery, field pieces,
mountain guns etc) and borne or small arms (rifles
mostly but pistols as well, if rarely). Good luck with
an argument for hand grenades or mobile artillery.
Hmm. So you're saying the second amendment applies to the
arms that a "perusal of the period military reports" show
could be "borne"?
I'm all for that interpretation. So is Jim Jeffries:
https://youtu.be/a9UFyNy-rw4?t=421
Yes, I am. Generally we look to common usage of the
Framers' era to understand their text.
Others seem to think that words have no meaning and all
definitions are fluid, depending on one man's whim:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/1676898/biden-aims-to-sign-on-to-uns-global-gun-registration-treaty/
Of course he is!....or not:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-biden-arms-trade-treaty-registry-551206015533
"There is no “U.N. Small Arms Treaty.” A separate U.N.
agreement, the Arms Trade Treaty, regulates the
international trade of a range of weapons. It does not track
domestic gun sales. While former President Donald Trump
symbolically withdrew from that treaty in 2019, the U.S.
technically remains a signatory. The agreement was never
ratified by the Senate, and Biden hasn’t taken any further
action on it."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/10/26/fact-check-false-claim-us-joining-international-gun-registry/10530099002/
"The U.S. is not set to join any such treaty, according to a
State Department spokesperson. Experts said the Arms Trade
Treaty, which appears to be the treaty referenced in the
post, would not establish an international gun registry."
(Any washington examiner claim is immediately as suspect as
any claim from kunich or shitstain)
And you can believe them! After all, this administration
repeats daily that 'the border is secure'.
But why worry about the borders? After all the Illegal's are already
here... and working :-)
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 12:27:09 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/18/2024 11:54 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 12:04:31 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 1/18/2024 9:06 AM, AMuzi wrote:Banning "assault weapons" was tried. It didn't accomplish what it was
On 1/17/2024 7:37 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 8:24 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 3:32 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Well right now today:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2024/1/5/24023878/assault-weapons-ban-illinois-registered-legal
there are purported English speakers who yet cannot define the word >>>>>>>>> 'infringe'.
Right! I'm really peeved that I can't own hand grenades and practice >>>>>>>> using them in my backyard! And what's with the stupid difficulty >>>>>>>> buying fully automatic large bore machine guns? Then there are the >>>>>>>> disgusting vehicle regulations that make it so hard to drive an >>>>>>>> Abrams tank on the road! I want one for my _safety_!
All that stuff is infringement! But are people protesting? NO! >>>>>>>>
Here's the real problem: The NRA is all upset about little "pew pew >>>>>>>> pew" small caliber guns. We need a Bomb Owners of America to
_finally_ guarantee our rights to _real_ arms! Then men can finally >>>>>>>> feel manly!
The relevant document says 'right to bear arms shall not be
infringed'. A perusal of period military reports, especially
quartermaster reports after captured sites, distinguishes between >>>>>>> 'guns' (artillery, field pieces, mountain guns etc) and borne or >>>>>>> small arms (rifles mostly but pistols as well, if rarely). Good luck >>>>>>> with an argument for hand grenades or mobile artillery.
Hmm. So you're saying the second amendment applies to the arms that a >>>>>> "perusal of the period military reports" show could be "borne"?
I'm all for that interpretation. So is Jim Jeffries:
https://youtu.be/a9UFyNy-rw4?t=421
Yes, I am. Generally we look to common usage of the Framers' era to
understand their text.
Good! Since the common usage in the framers era had no concept of 30
round magazines that can be emptied in a few seconds into rooms full of >>>> innocents, perhaps we can use that to move toward rational gun policies. >>>
supposed to do.
For some odd reason, assaults and murders with stolen
pistols by repeat felons were not affected by that. Who
could have guessed that?
If a single shooting is done with an Assault type rifle the goes up,
"BAN the deadly AR!"
But when an official law enforcement agency announces that 7,937
homicides were committed with "hand guns", i.e., "pistols", not a
sound is heard.
On 1/18/2024 4:03 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
The Frames [sic] of the Constitution were 100% FOR the
most modern firearms available.
First, I know of no evidence that the "Frames" of the
constitution intended that every household should own, say,
its own cannon.
Second, the men who wrote the constitution had to have no
concept of the damage to society that would result from
letting every yahoo in the country tote a gun that can wipe
out a class of schoolkids in a minute.
Third, the Constitution, as good as it is, was a first
attempt at inventing a new country. Those who wrote it were
pretty intelligent, but they could not see the future.
Other countries observed our constitution and improved on
it. And they were smart enough to allow reasonable controls
on super-deadly armaments.
Frank believes that we should be reduced to clubs. Were
that do, Frank would already be dead.
Wow. Tom's making exactly as much sense as he usually does.
On 1/18/2024 4:03 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
The Frames [sic] of the Constitution were 100% FOR the most modern firearms available.
First, I know of no evidence that the "Frames" of the constitution
intended that every household should own, say, its own cannon.
Second, the men who wrote the constitution had to have no concept of the >damage to society that would result from letting every yahoo in the
country tote a gun that can wipe out a class of schoolkids in a minute.
Third, the Constitution, as good as it is, was a first attempt at
inventing a new country. Those who wrote it were pretty intelligent, but
they could not see the future. Other countries observed our
constitution and improved on it. And they were smart enough to allow >reasonable controls on super-deadly armaments.
Frank believes that we should be reduced to clubs. Were that do, Frank would already be dead.
Wow. Tom's making exactly as much sense as he usually does.
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 12:54:42 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 12:04:31 -0500, Frank Krygowski >><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 1/18/2024 9:06 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 7:37 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 8:24 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 3:32 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Well right now today:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2024/1/5/24023878/assault-weapons-ban-illinois-registered-legal
there are purported English speakers who yet cannot define the word >>>>>>>> 'infringe'.
Right! I'm really peeved that I can't own hand grenades and practice >>>>>>> using them in my backyard! And what's with the stupid difficulty >>>>>>> buying fully automatic large bore machine guns? Then there are the >>>>>>> disgusting vehicle regulations that make it so hard to drive an
Abrams tank on the road! I want one for my _safety_!
All that stuff is infringement! But are people protesting? NO!
Here's the real problem: The NRA is all upset about little "pew pew >>>>>>> pew" small caliber guns. We need a Bomb Owners of America to
_finally_ guarantee our rights to _real_ arms! Then men can finally >>>>>>> feel manly!
The relevant document says 'right to bear arms shall not be
infringed'. A perusal of period military reports, especially
quartermaster reports after captured sites, distinguishes between
'guns' (artillery, field pieces, mountain guns etc) and borne or
small arms (rifles mostly but pistols as well, if rarely). Good luck >>>>>> with an argument for hand grenades or mobile artillery.
Hmm. So you're saying the second amendment applies to the arms that a >>>>> "perusal of the period military reports" show could be "borne"?
I'm all for that interpretation. So is Jim Jeffries:
https://youtu.be/a9UFyNy-rw4?t=421
Yes, I am. Generally we look to common usage of the Framers' era to
understand their text.
Good! Since the common usage in the framers era had no concept of 30 >>>round magazines that can be emptied in a few seconds into rooms full of >>>innocents, perhaps we can use that to move toward rational gun policies.
Banning "assault weapons" was tried. It didn't accomplish what it was >>supposed to do.
Unfortunately Frank and his ilk don't, apparently, know much about
what they are talking about and confuse the weapon with the crime.
Their assumption seems to be that if only we could get rid of those
fiendish AR type firearms there would be no more school shootings.
But the reality is that "mass shootings", defined as "Those that occur
in public places, take four or more lives, and have no connection to >underlying criminal activity" are most commonly carried out with hand
guns and even in cases where a shoulder fired weapon was the primary
weapon the assailant also carried a pistol.
It might also be noted that current some 20 - 25 million Assault type
Rifles are in the hand of U.S. civilians, but as soon as a single one
is used in a crime the cry goes up, "Ban ARs!". Are we to assume that
the remaining 19,999,989 are also guilty by association and thus
deserve to have their firearms seized?
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 17:20:09 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 1/18/2024 4:46 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 08:33:54 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/18/2024 8:24 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 1/18/2024 9:06 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 7:37 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 8:24 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 3:32 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Well right now today:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2024/1/5/24023878/assault-weapons-ban-illinois-registered-legal
there are purported English speakers who yet cannot
define the word 'infringe'.
Right! I'm really peeved that I can't own hand grenades
and practice using them in my backyard! And what's with
the stupid difficulty buying fully automatic large bore
machine guns? Then there are the disgusting vehicle
regulations that make it so hard to drive an Abrams
tank on the road! I want one for my _safety_!
All that stuff is infringement! But are people
protesting? NO!
Here's the real problem: The NRA is all upset about
little "pew pew pew" small caliber guns. We need a Bomb
Owners of America to _finally_ guarantee our rights to
_real_ arms! Then men can finally feel manly!
The relevant document says 'right to bear arms shall not
be infringed'. A perusal of period military reports,
especially quartermaster reports after captured sites,
distinguishes between 'guns' (artillery, field pieces,
mountain guns etc) and borne or small arms (rifles
mostly but pistols as well, if rarely). Good luck with
an argument for hand grenades or mobile artillery.
Hmm. So you're saying the second amendment applies to the
arms that a "perusal of the period military reports" show
could be "borne"?
I'm all for that interpretation. So is Jim Jeffries:
https://youtu.be/a9UFyNy-rw4?t=421
Yes, I am. Generally we look to common usage of the
Framers' era to understand their text.
Others seem to think that words have no meaning and all
definitions are fluid, depending on one man's whim:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/1676898/biden-aims-to-sign-on-to-uns-global-gun-registration-treaty/
Of course he is!....or not:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-biden-arms-trade-treaty-registry-551206015533
"There is no “U.N. Small Arms Treaty.” A separate U.N.
agreement, the Arms Trade Treaty, regulates the
international trade of a range of weapons. It does not track
domestic gun sales. While former President Donald Trump
symbolically withdrew from that treaty in 2019, the U.S.
technically remains a signatory. The agreement was never
ratified by the Senate, and Biden hasn’t taken any further
action on it."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/10/26/fact-check-false-claim-us-joining-international-gun-registry/10530099002/
"The U.S. is not set to join any such treaty, according to a
State Department spokesperson. Experts said the Arms Trade
Treaty, which appears to be the treaty referenced in the
post, would not establish an international gun registry."
(Any washington examiner claim is immediately as suspect as
any claim from kunich or shitstain)
And you can believe them! After all, this administration
repeats daily that 'the border is secure'.
But why worry about the borders? After all the Illegal's are already
here... and working :-)
paying taxes, doing the shitty jobs americans won't do for triple the pay...
Well why should one work? After all you got the unemployment, the
girlfriend is getting the pay for an unwed mother. No sense at all in
getting up in the morning and going to work.
On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 04:59:44 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 21:30:26 -0500, Frank Krygowski >><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 1/18/2024 4:03 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
The Frames [sic] of the Constitution were 100% FOR the most modern firearms available.
First, I know of no evidence that the "Frames" of the constitution >>>intended that every household should own, say, its own cannon.
Second, the men who wrote the constitution had to have no concept of the >>>damage to society that would result from letting every yahoo in the >>>country tote a gun that can wipe out a class of schoolkids in a minute.
There were no restrictions on owning a cannon that loaded with grape
shot, case shot or canister shot could do it in far less than a
minute.
Third, the Constitution, as good as it is, was a first attempt at >>>inventing a new country. Those who wrote it were pretty intelligent, but >>>they could not see the future. Other countries observed our
constitution and improved on it. And they were smart enough to allow >>>reasonable controls on super-deadly armaments.
Frank believes that we should be reduced to clubs. Were that do, Frank would already be dead.
Wow. Tom's making exactly as much sense as he usually does.
The problem with Frank's argument is that there are, and always have
been, methods of changing, adding to and deleting from the
Consecution. If Frank is so despondent about the present Constitution
why doesn't he start a movement to modify it to fit his requirements?
On 1/18/2024 7:31 PM, John B. wrote:
If a single shooting is done with an Assault type rifle
the goes up,
"BAN the deadly AR!"
But when an official law enforcement agency announces that
7,937
homicides were committed with "hand guns", i.e.,
"pistols", not a
sound is heard.
John, it's worrisome that you've forgotten, but:
You have complained many times about handgun deaths. I've
said many, many times that if you prefer to begin calling
for serious restrictions on handguns, do so!
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 19:20:49 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/18/2024 6:31 PM, John B. wrote:But it is so cruel and costs lot of money too.
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 12:27:09 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/18/2024 11:54 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 12:04:31 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 1/18/2024 9:06 AM, AMuzi wrote:Banning "assault weapons" was tried. It didn't accomplish what it was >>>>> supposed to do.
On 1/17/2024 7:37 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 8:24 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 3:32 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Well right now today:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2024/1/5/24023878/assault-weapons-ban-illinois-registered-legal
there are purported English speakers who yet cannot define the word >>>>>>>>>>> 'infringe'.
Right! I'm really peeved that I can't own hand grenades and practice >>>>>>>>>> using them in my backyard! And what's with the stupid difficulty >>>>>>>>>> buying fully automatic large bore machine guns? Then there are the >>>>>>>>>> disgusting vehicle regulations that make it so hard to drive an >>>>>>>>>> Abrams tank on the road! I want one for my _safety_!
All that stuff is infringement! But are people protesting? NO! >>>>>>>>>>
Here's the real problem: The NRA is all upset about little "pew pew >>>>>>>>>> pew" small caliber guns. We need a Bomb Owners of America to >>>>>>>>>> _finally_ guarantee our rights to _real_ arms! Then men can finally >>>>>>>>>> feel manly!
The relevant document says 'right to bear arms shall not be
infringed'. A perusal of period military reports, especially >>>>>>>>> quartermaster reports after captured sites, distinguishes between >>>>>>>>> 'guns' (artillery, field pieces, mountain guns etc) and borne or >>>>>>>>> small arms (rifles mostly but pistols as well, if rarely). Good luck
with an argument for hand grenades or mobile artillery.
Hmm. So you're saying the second amendment applies to the arms that a >>>>>>>> "perusal of the period military reports" show could be "borne"? >>>>>>>>
I'm all for that interpretation. So is Jim Jeffries:
https://youtu.be/a9UFyNy-rw4?t=421
Yes, I am. Generally we look to common usage of the Framers' era to >>>>>>> understand their text.
Good! Since the common usage in the framers era had no concept of 30 >>>>>> round magazines that can be emptied in a few seconds into rooms full of >>>>>> innocents, perhaps we can use that to move toward rational gun policies. >>>>>
For some odd reason, assaults and murders with stolen
pistols by repeat felons were not affected by that. Who
could have guessed that?
If a single shooting is done with an Assault type rifle the goes up,
"BAN the deadly AR!"
But when an official law enforcement agency announces that 7,937
homicides were committed with "hand guns", i.e., "pistols", not a
sound is heard.
There was a time, back in the Dark Ages, when we imprisoned
criminals. I miss that.
Hanging as a penalty for murder seems to date back as far as Roman
times and was performed in public until the late 1800's in England
(and used to draw huge crowds). Today, in the U.S. it is a cruel and
unusual punishment.
As an aside I know some people who have been the victim of a criminal
act - car stolen, etc. - and it is notable that they are more in favor
of meaningful punishment then those who have never had the same
experience.
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 20:35:25 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/18/2024 8:30 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/18/2024 4:03 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
The Frames [sic] of the Constitution were 100% FOR the
most modern firearms available.
First, I know of no evidence that the "Frames" of the
constitution intended that every household should own, say,
its own cannon.
Second, the men who wrote the constitution had to have no
concept of the damage to society that would result from
letting every yahoo in the country tote a gun that can wipe
out a class of schoolkids in a minute.
Third, the Constitution, as good as it is, was a first
attempt at inventing a new country. Those who wrote it were
pretty intelligent, but they could not see the future.
Other countries observed our constitution and improved on
it. And they were smart enough to allow reasonable controls
on super-deadly armaments.
Frank believes that we should be reduced to clubs. Were
that do, Frank would already be dead.
Wow. Tom's making exactly as much sense as he usually does.
Others view the Founding era, our beloved Constitution and
modern USA differently.
The Founders' wisdom is underappreciated IMHO especially as
regards currency (only gold or silver not electrons) and
individual rights, in small and in large.
p.s. 'guns' (artillery) and 'borne arms' (small arms)
were/are very different then and now.
But, remember, the "Founder's" intent was to build a confederation of
semi independent states. Not what exists today.
On 1/18/2024 8:47 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/18/2024 7:31 PM, John B. wrote:
If a single shooting is done with an Assault type rifle
the goes up,
"BAN the deadly AR!"
But when an official law enforcement agency announces that
7,937
homicides were committed with "hand guns", i.e.,
"pistols", not a
sound is heard.
John, it's worrisome that you've forgotten, but:
You have complained many times about handgun deaths. I've
said many, many times that if you prefer to begin calling
for serious restrictions on handguns, do so!
We might return to prosecuting felon in possession, armed
assault/robbery etc. There's no shortage of statutes, merely
a lack of will.
For example in many jurisdictions felon in possession or
armed robbery carry a mandatory minimum sentence but DAs
routinely reduce charges to disorderly conduct or trespass
with no time.
On 1/18/2024 6:19 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 17:20:09 -0500, Zen Cycle
<funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 1/18/2024 4:46 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 08:33:54 -0600, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/18/2024 8:24 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 1/18/2024 9:06 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 7:37 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 8:24 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 3:32 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Well right now today:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2024/1/5/24023878/assault-weapons-ban-illinois-registered-legal
there are purported English speakers who yet cannot
define the word 'infringe'.
Right! I'm really peeved that I can't own hand
grenades
and practice using them in my backyard! And what's
with
the stupid difficulty buying fully automatic large
bore
machine guns? Then there are the disgusting vehicle
regulations that make it so hard to drive an Abrams
tank on the road! I want one for my _safety_!
All that stuff is infringement! But are people
protesting? NO!
Here's the real problem: The NRA is all upset about
little "pew pew pew" small caliber guns. We need a
Bomb
Owners of America to _finally_ guarantee our
rights to
_real_ arms! Then men can finally feel manly!
The relevant document says 'right to bear arms
shall not
be infringed'. A perusal of period military reports,
especially quartermaster reports after captured sites,
distinguishes between 'guns' (artillery, field pieces,
mountain guns etc) and borne or small arms (rifles
mostly but pistols as well, if rarely). Good luck
with
an argument for hand grenades or mobile artillery.
Hmm. So you're saying the second amendment applies
to the
arms that a "perusal of the period military reports"
show
could be "borne"?
I'm all for that interpretation. So is Jim Jeffries:
https://youtu.be/a9UFyNy-rw4?t=421
Yes, I am. Generally we look to common usage of the
Framers' era to understand their text.
Others seem to think that words have no meaning and all
definitions are fluid, depending on one man's whim:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/1676898/biden-aims-to-sign-on-to-uns-global-gun-registration-treaty/
Of course he is!....or not:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-biden-arms-trade-treaty-registry-551206015533
"There is no “U.N. Small Arms Treaty.” A separate U.N.
agreement, the Arms Trade Treaty, regulates the
international trade of a range of weapons. It does not
track
domestic gun sales. While former President Donald Trump
symbolically withdrew from that treaty in 2019, the U.S.
technically remains a signatory. The agreement was never
ratified by the Senate, and Biden hasn’t taken any
further
action on it."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/10/26/fact-check-false-claim-us-joining-international-gun-registry/10530099002/
"The U.S. is not set to join any such treaty,
according to a
State Department spokesperson. Experts said the Arms
Trade
Treaty, which appears to be the treaty referenced in the
post, would not establish an international gun registry."
(Any washington examiner claim is immediately as
suspect as
any claim from kunich or shitstain)
And you can believe them! After all, this administration
repeats daily that 'the border is secure'.
But why worry about the borders? After all the Illegal's
are already
here... and working :-)
paying taxes, doing the shitty jobs americans won't do
for triple the pay...
Well why should one work? After all you got the
unemployment, the
girlfriend is getting the pay for an unwed mother. No
sense at all in
getting up in the morning and going to work.
Afaik Unemployment isn't available to those who have never
worked a legitimate payroll job. There may some loopholes
somewhere, but if there are it's news to me.
On 1/19/2024 9:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/18/2024 8:47 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/18/2024 7:31 PM, John B. wrote:
If a single shooting is done with an Assault type rifle the goes up,
"BAN the deadly AR!"
But when an official law enforcement agency announces that 7,937
homicides were committed with "hand guns", i.e., "pistols", not a
sound is heard.
John, it's worrisome that you've forgotten, but:
You have complained many times about handgun deaths. I've said many,
many times that if you prefer to begin calling for serious
restrictions on handguns, do so!
We might return to prosecuting felon in possession, armed
assault/robbery etc. There's no shortage of statutes, merely a lack of
will.
There's also the expense. Care to raise more taxes to fund more jail >capacity? "No new taxes!!!!" And there's the realization (at least,
among some) that in many cases there are better ways to set people right.
As we've noted here repeatedly, the U.S. is a world leader in citizen >incarceration. Most other countries jail a far smaller portion of their >population, yet have far lower crime rates.
What was that one definition of insanity? "Doing the same thing over and
over and expecting different results"?
On 1/18/2024 11:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
Krygowski believes that he is superior thinker because I
make typos ...
Tom, your typos are your most minor problem. But their
frequency is more evidence of intellectual laziness.
That's a bigger problem you have, but it's still not your
biggest problem.
On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 18:03:29 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 04:59:44 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 21:30:26 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 1/18/2024 4:03 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:There were no restrictions on owning a cannon that loaded with grape
The Frames [sic] of the Constitution were 100% FOR the most modern firearms available.
First, I know of no evidence that the "Frames" of the constitution
intended that every household should own, say, its own cannon.
Second, the men who wrote the constitution had to have no concept of the >>>> damage to society that would result from letting every yahoo in the
country tote a gun that can wipe out a class of schoolkids in a minute. >>>
shot, case shot or canister shot could do it in far less than a
minute.
Third, the Constitution, as good as it is, was a first attempt at
inventing a new country. Those who wrote it were pretty intelligent, but >>>> they could not see the future. Other countries observed our
constitution and improved on it. And they were smart enough to allow
reasonable controls on super-deadly armaments.
Frank believes that we should be reduced to clubs. Were that do, Frank would already be dead.
Wow. Tom's making exactly as much sense as he usually does.
The problem with Frank's argument is that there are, and always have
been, methods of changing, adding to and deleting from the
Consecution. If Frank is so despondent about the present Constitution
why doesn't he start a movement to modify it to fit his requirements?
Most of Krygowski's arguments are problematic.
For instance, he says he knows of 'no evidence that the "Frames" of
the constitution intended that every household should own, say, its
own cannon.'
Of course the Constitution doesn't address what the people can do, it
only addresses what the government can and cannot do.
Had the framers for the government wanted to restrict ownership of
cannons, they could have written that in. They didn't.
As for modifying the Constitution, it's mostly good that it's so
difficult to do. If it was easy, the laws would change back and forth
on every election cycle. The result of that would likely be less
freedom, since so many politicians believe their job is to control the
people and are striving for that end.
On 1/19/2024 9:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/18/2024 8:47 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/18/2024 7:31 PM, John B. wrote:
If a single shooting is done with an Assault type rifle
the goes up,
"BAN the deadly AR!"
But when an official law enforcement agency announces
that 7,937
homicides were committed with "hand guns", i.e.,
"pistols", not a
sound is heard.
John, it's worrisome that you've forgotten, but:
You have complained many times about handgun deaths. I've
said many, many times that if you prefer to begin calling
for serious restrictions on handguns, do so!
We might return to prosecuting felon in possession, armed
assault/robbery etc. There's no shortage of statutes,
merely a lack of will.
There's also the expense. Care to raise more taxes to fund
more jail capacity? "No new taxes!!!!" And there's the
realization (at least, among some) that in many cases there
are better ways to set people right.
As we've noted here repeatedly, the U.S. is a world leader
in citizen incarceration. Most other countries jail a far
smaller portion of their population, yet have far lower
crime rates.
What was that one definition of insanity? "Doing the same
thing over and over and expecting different results"?
On 1/19/2024 6:10 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 1/18/2024 6:19 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 17:20:09 -0500, Zen Cycle
<funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 1/18/2024 4:46 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 08:33:54 -0600, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/18/2024 8:24 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 1/18/2024 9:06 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 7:37 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 8:24 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 3:32 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Well right now today:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2024/1/5/24023878/assault-weapons-ban-illinois-registered-legal
there are purported English speakers who yet cannot
define the word 'infringe'.
Right! I'm really peeved that I can't own hand
grenades
and practice using them in my backyard! And what's
with
the stupid difficulty buying fully automatic large
bore
machine guns? Then there are the disgusting vehicle
regulations that make it so hard to drive an Abrams
tank on the road! I want one for my _safety_!
All that stuff is infringement! But are people
protesting? NO!
Here's the real problem: The NRA is all upset about
little "pew pew pew" small caliber guns. We need a
Bomb
Owners of America to _finally_ guarantee our
rights to
_real_ arms! Then men can finally feel manly!
The relevant document says 'right to bear arms
shall not
be infringed'. A perusal of period military reports,
especially quartermaster reports after captured sites,
distinguishes between 'guns' (artillery, field pieces,
mountain guns etc) and borne or small arms (rifles
mostly but pistols as well, if rarely). Good luck
with
an argument for hand grenades or mobile artillery.
Hmm. So you're saying the second amendment applies
to the
arms that a "perusal of the period military reports"
show
could be "borne"?
I'm all for that interpretation. So is Jim Jeffries:
https://youtu.be/a9UFyNy-rw4?t=421
Yes, I am. Generally we look to common usage of the
Framers' era to understand their text.
Others seem to think that words have no meaning and all
definitions are fluid, depending on one man's whim:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/1676898/biden-aims-to-sign-on-to-uns-global-gun-registration-treaty/
Of course he is!....or not:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-biden-arms-trade-treaty-registry-551206015533
"There is no U.N. Small Arms Treaty. A separate U.N.
agreement, the Arms Trade Treaty, regulates the
international trade of a range of weapons. It does not
track
domestic gun sales. While former President Donald Trump
symbolically withdrew from that treaty in 2019, the U.S.
technically remains a signatory. The agreement was never
ratified by the Senate, and Biden hasnt taken any
further
action on it."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/10/26/fact-check-false-claim-us-joining-international-gun-registry/10530099002/
"The U.S. is not set to join any such treaty,
according to a
State Department spokesperson. Experts said the Arms
Trade
Treaty, which appears to be the treaty referenced in the
post, would not establish an international gun registry."
(Any washington examiner claim is immediately as
suspect as
any claim from kunich or shitstain)
And you can believe them! After all, this administration
repeats daily that 'the border is secure'.
But why worry about the borders? After all the Illegal's
are already
here... and working :-)
paying taxes, doing the shitty jobs americans won't do
for triple the pay...
Well why should one work? After all you got the
unemployment, the
girlfriend is getting the pay for an unwed mother. No
sense at all in
getting up in the morning and going to work.
Afaik Unemployment isn't available to those who have never
worked a legitimate payroll job. There may some loopholes
somewhere, but if there are it's news to me.
Yes that's in the Statute.
To get around it with other giveaway programs one may need
to consult an expert: >https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxZczEEGdqFEcsqu-JTAuLg
On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 08:58:46 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/19/2024 6:10 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 1/18/2024 6:19 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 17:20:09 -0500, Zen Cycle
<funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 1/18/2024 4:46 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 08:33:54 -0600, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/18/2024 8:24 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 1/18/2024 9:06 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 7:37 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 8:24 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/17/2024 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/17/2024 3:32 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Well right now today:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2024/1/5/24023878/assault-weapons-ban-illinois-registered-legal
there are purported English speakers who yet cannot
define the word 'infringe'.
Right! I'm really peeved that I can't own hand
grenades
and practice using them in my backyard! And what's
with
the stupid difficulty buying fully automatic large
bore
machine guns? Then there are the disgusting vehicle
regulations that make it so hard to drive an Abrams
tank on the road! I want one for my _safety_!
All that stuff is infringement! But are people
protesting? NO!
Here's the real problem: The NRA is all upset about
little "pew pew pew" small caliber guns. We need a
Bomb
Owners of America to _finally_ guarantee our
rights to
_real_ arms! Then men can finally feel manly!
The relevant document says 'right to bear arms
shall not
be infringed'. A perusal of period military reports,
especially quartermaster reports after captured sites,
distinguishes between 'guns' (artillery, field pieces,
mountain guns etc) and borne or small arms (rifles
mostly but pistols as well, if rarely). Good luck
with
an argument for hand grenades or mobile artillery.
Hmm. So you're saying the second amendment applies
to the
arms that a "perusal of the period military reports"
show
could be "borne"?
I'm all for that interpretation. So is Jim Jeffries:
https://youtu.be/a9UFyNy-rw4?t=421
Yes, I am. Generally we look to common usage of the
Framers' era to understand their text.
Others seem to think that words have no meaning and all
definitions are fluid, depending on one man's whim:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/1676898/biden-aims-to-sign-on-to-uns-global-gun-registration-treaty/
Of course he is!....or not:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-biden-arms-trade-treaty-registry-551206015533
"There is no “U.N. Small Arms Treaty.” A separate U.N.
agreement, the Arms Trade Treaty, regulates the
international trade of a range of weapons. It does not
track
domestic gun sales. While former President Donald Trump
symbolically withdrew from that treaty in 2019, the U.S.
technically remains a signatory. The agreement was never
ratified by the Senate, and Biden hasn’t taken any
further
action on it."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/10/26/fact-check-false-claim-us-joining-international-gun-registry/10530099002/
"The U.S. is not set to join any such treaty,
according to a
State Department spokesperson. Experts said the Arms
Trade
Treaty, which appears to be the treaty referenced in the
post, would not establish an international gun registry."
(Any washington examiner claim is immediately as
suspect as
any claim from kunich or shitstain)
And you can believe them! After all, this administration
repeats daily that 'the border is secure'.
But why worry about the borders? After all the Illegal's
are already
here... and working :-)
paying taxes, doing the shitty jobs americans won't do
for triple the pay...
Well why should one work? After all you got the
unemployment, the
girlfriend is getting the pay for an unwed mother. No
sense at all in
getting up in the morning and going to work.
Afaik Unemployment isn't available to those who have never
worked a legitimate payroll job. There may some loopholes
somewhere, but if there are it's news to me.
Yes that's in the Statute.
To get around it with other giveaway programs one may need
to consult an expert:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxZczEEGdqFEcsqu-JTAuLg
How to be a better parasite.
On 1/19/2024 9:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/18/2024 8:47 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/18/2024 7:31 PM, John B. wrote:
If a single shooting is done with an Assault type rifle
the goes up,
"BAN the deadly AR!"
But when an official law enforcement agency announces
that 7,937
homicides were committed with "hand guns", i.e.,
"pistols", not a
sound is heard.
John, it's worrisome that you've forgotten, but:
You have complained many times about handgun deaths. I've
said many, many times that if you prefer to begin calling
for serious restrictions on handguns, do so!
We might return to prosecuting felon in possession, armed
assault/robbery etc. There's no shortage of statutes,
merely a lack of will.
There's also the expense. Care to raise more taxes to fund
more jail capacity? "No new taxes!!!!" And there's the
realization (at least, among some) that in many cases there
are better ways to set people right.
As we've noted here repeatedly, the U.S. is a world leader
in citizen incarceration. Most other countries jail a far
smaller portion of their population, yet have far lower
crime rates.
What was that one definition of insanity? "Doing the same
thing over and over and expecting different results"?
On 1/19/2024 10:25 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/19/2024 8:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/19/2024 9:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
We might return to prosecuting felon in possession, armed
assault/robbery etc. There's no shortage of statutes, merely a lack
of will.
There's also the expense. Care to raise more taxes to fund more jail
capacity? "No new taxes!!!!" And there's the realization (at least,
among some) that in many cases there are better ways to set people right. >>>
As we've noted here repeatedly, the U.S. is a world leader in citizen
incarceration. Most other countries jail a far smaller portion of
their population, yet have far lower crime rates.
What was that one definition of insanity? "Doing the same thing over
and over and expecting different results"?
Per Bastiat, there are costs to everything. Or in his pithy title, "The
Seen and Unseen".
So you're OK with raising taxes to incarcerate even more? Despite the
poor performance of that strategy?
State institution costs are more visible to the taxpayer and other
critics. A plague of suffering mentally ill infesting our streets and
public services is not better for them or for the citizenry IMHO.
I agree. But let's remember who was most influential in that policy
change. >https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/commentary/story/2023-04-24/opinion-impact-of-deinstitutionalization-on-homelessness-reagan-mental-health-hospitals-san-diego
And criminals repeatedly assaulting, robbing, raping and killing citizens
has a real cost too, just not one you share in any large part.
Of course it has costs! The question is, what's the best strategy for >diminishing that behavior? The current one - that is, incarcerating more
of our population than other countries - doesn't seem to work. See >https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-country
Why do you think even more incarceration will work?
And these are not absolutes. There's no world with zero incarcerated
criminals/lunatics and none where every single deviant is in an
institution.
Of course there are no absolutes. That doesn't justify ignoring the
available data! Many other prosperous countries do have very different >policies than ours, and have far, far lower crime rates. Our "same old,
same old" isn't working, and doing even more of it is very unlikely to
work.
On 1/19/2024 10:25 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/19/2024 8:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/19/2024 9:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
We might return to prosecuting felon in possession,
armed assault/robbery etc. There's no shortage of
statutes, merely a lack of will.
There's also the expense. Care to raise more taxes to
fund more jail capacity? "No new taxes!!!!" And there's
the realization (at least, among some) that in many cases
there are better ways to set people right.
As we've noted here repeatedly, the U.S. is a world
leader in citizen incarceration. Most other countries
jail a far smaller portion of their population, yet have
far lower crime rates.
What was that one definition of insanity? "Doing the same
thing over and over and expecting different results"?
Per Bastiat, there are costs to everything. Or in his
pithy title, "The Seen and Unseen".
So you're OK with raising taxes to incarcerate even more?
Despite the poor performance of that strategy?
State institution costs are more visible to the taxpayer
and other critics. A plague of suffering mentally ill
infesting our streets and public services is not better
for them or for the citizenry IMHO.
I agree. But let's remember who was most influential in that
policy change. https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/commentary/story/2023-04-24/opinion-impact-of-deinstitutionalization-on-homelessness-reagan-mental-health-hospitals-san-diego
And criminals repeatedly assaulting, robbing, raping and
killing citizens has a real cost too, just not one you
share in any large part.
Of course it has costs! The question is, what's the best
strategy for diminishing that behavior? The current one -
that is, incarcerating more of our population than other
countries - doesn't seem to work. See https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-country
Why do you think even more incarceration will work?
And these are not absolutes. There's no world with zero
incarcerated criminals/lunatics and none where every
single deviant is in an institution.
Of course there are no absolutes. That doesn't justify
ignoring the available data! Many other prosperous countries
do have very different policies than ours, and have far, far
lower crime rates. Our "same old, same old" isn't working,
and doing even more of it is very unlikely to work.
On 1/19/2024 10:53 AM, AMuzi wrote:
In the overnight news:
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article284362559.html
"Omondi previously was arrested on suspicion of aggravated assault and
obstruction of justice after he was accused of pointing at gun at
security officers in Fort Worth in May 2023, according to Tarrant County
court records. The court has ordered that information be collected about
whether Omondi has a mental illness."
Same thing over and over. Same results.
Hmm. I wonder of our world-record availability of guns might possibly be
a factor.
On 1/19/2024 10:53 AM, AMuzi wrote:
In the overnight news:
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article284362559.html
"Omondi previously was arrested on suspicion of aggravated
assault and obstruction of justice after he was accused of
pointing at gun at security officers in Fort Worth in May
2023, according to Tarrant County court records. The court
has ordered that information be collected about whether
Omondi has a mental illness."
Same thing over and over. Same results.
Hmm. I wonder of our world-record availability of guns might
possibly be a factor.
Right up there with the other geniuses - unemployment is handled by states and not federal agencies. The Feds get data from the states.
On 1/19/2024 12:13 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 08:20:32 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
Right up there with the other geniuses - unemployment is handled by states and not federal agencies. The Feds get data from the states.
Wrong, as usual:
<https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/unemployment-insurance>
"Unemployment insurance is a joint state-federal program that provides
cash benefits to eligible workers. Each state administers a separate
unemployment insurance program, but all states follow the same
guidelines established by federal law."
The federal part is funded employers under the Federal Unemployment
Tax:
<https://edd.ca.gov/en/payroll_taxes/federal-unemployment-tax-act/>
"California employers fund regular Unemployment Insurance (UI)
benefits through contributions to the states UI Trust Fund on behalf
of each employee. They also pay Federal Unemployment Tax Act (FUTA)
taxes to the federal government to help pay for:
- Administration of the UI program
- UI loans to insolvent states
- Federal extension benefits
"
Note that California is $18 billion in dept owed to the Feds for the
UI funding during Covid-19:
<https://edd.ca.gov/siteassets/files/pdf/edduiforecastmay23.pdf>
It's only fair. California owes everyone else anyway: >https://sfstandard.com/2024/01/16/california-budget-deficit-2024-newsom/
On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 08:20:32 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
Right up there with the other geniuses - unemployment is handled by states and not federal agencies. The Feds get data from the states.
Wrong, as usual:
<https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/unemployment-insurance>
"Unemployment insurance is a joint state-federal program that provides
cash benefits to eligible workers. Each state administers a separate unemployment insurance program, but all states follow the same
guidelines established by federal law."
The federal part is funded employers under the Federal Unemployment
Tax:
<https://edd.ca.gov/en/payroll_taxes/federal-unemployment-tax-act/> "California employers fund regular Unemployment Insurance (UI)
benefits through contributions to the state’s UI Trust Fund on behalf
of each employee. They also pay Federal Unemployment Tax Act (FUTA)
taxes to the federal government to help pay for:
- Administration of the UI program
- UI loans to insolvent states
- Federal extension benefits
"
Note that California is $18 billion in dept owed to the Feds for the
UI funding during Covid-19: <https://edd.ca.gov/siteassets/files/pdf/edduiforecastmay23.pdf>
Afaik Unemployment isn't available to those who have never worked a legitimate payroll job. There may some loopholes somewhere, but if there
are it's news to me.
On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 12:26:39 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/19/2024 12:13 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Note that California is $18 billion in dept owed to the Feds for the
UI funding during Covid-19:
<https://edd.ca.gov/siteassets/files/pdf/edduiforecastmay23.pdf>
It's only fair. California owes everyone else anyway: >>https://sfstandard.com/2024/01/16/california-budget-deficit-2024-newsom/
Aren't they printing their own money, now?
Gee, I hadn't realized how bad off you were back there in the richest
nation in the world. Can't buy auto tires.
I guess I'll stay here in this little developing country where we can
still afford auto tires,
On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 11:05:17 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 1/19/2024 4:10 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:Scharf - maybe you should tell that to Gavin Loathsome. He4 has spending California taxpayer money to buy illegal aliens new cars and promising them more if they vote illegally for him.
<snip>
Afaik Unemployment isn't available to those who have never worked aYou are correct. And you have to work a certain amount of time before
legitimate payroll job. There may some loopholes somewhere, but if there >>> are it's news to me.
you qualify.
--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
On 1/19/2024 1:09 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Like it or not, simple or complex, we have to deal with US
problems in our own US way with our US populace, voters
and legal processes.
Yet you keep presenting evidence that in your view, shows
that "our own US way" is not working!
On 1/19/2024 4:10 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
<snip>
Afaik Unemployment isn't available to those who have never
worked a legitimate payroll job. There may some loopholes
somewhere, but if there are it's news to me.
You are correct. And you have to work a certain amount of
time before you qualify.
On 1/19/2024 1:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/19/2024 11:41 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Hmm. I wonder of our world-record availability of guns
might possibly be a factor.
'beaten to death with wood' (no firearms) is in the news
lately.
https://cwbchicago.com/2023/12/video-shows-chicago-man-attacking-woman-with-a-log-on-the-magnificent-mile.html
And how does the annual log homicide count compare with the
annual gun homicide count?
Pick a day, any day. Pick a city, any Democrat run city. Same story over
and over.
On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 10:06:05 AM UTC-8, Catrike Ryder wrote:and Frank with absolutely no actual arguments talks about typos like a mindless fool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtegqgKYR-U
On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 12:40:28 -0500, Frank KrygowskiPeople guilty of Capital Crimes should be executed. This would drop the number of prisoners down to a manageable and frightened number. This is where Slocomb tells is about burning witches since he personally knows nothing about the English language
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 1/19/2024 10:25 AM, AMuzi wrote:Buiild more prisons.
On 1/19/2024 8:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/19/2024 9:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
We might return to prosecuting felon in possession, armed
assault/robbery etc. There's no shortage of statutes, merely a lack >>>>>> of will.
There's also the expense. Care to raise more taxes to fund more jail >>>>> capacity? "No new taxes!!!!" And there's the realization (at least,
among some) that in many cases there are better ways to set people right. >>>>>
As we've noted here repeatedly, the U.S. is a world leader in citizen >>>>> incarceration. Most other countries jail a far smaller portion of
their population, yet have far lower crime rates.
What was that one definition of insanity? "Doing the same thing over >>>>> and over and expecting different results"?
Per Bastiat, there are costs to everything. Or in his pithy title, "The >>>> Seen and Unseen".
So you're OK with raising taxes to incarcerate even more? Despite the
poor performance of that strategy?
State institution costs are more visible to the taxpayer and other
critics. A plague of suffering mentally ill infesting our streets and >>>> public services is not better for them or for the citizenry IMHO.
I agree. But let's remember who was most influential in that policy
change.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/commentary/story/2023-04-24/opinion-impact-of-deinstitutionalization-on-homelessness-reagan-mental-health-hospitals-san-diego
And criminals repeatedly assaulting, robbing, raping and killing citizens >>>> has a real cost too, just not one you share in any large part.
Of course it has costs! The question is, what's the best strategy for
diminishing that behavior? The current one - that is, incarcerating more >>> of our population than other countries - doesn't seem to work. See
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-country
Why do you think even more incarceration will work?
And these are not absolutes. There's no world with zero incarcerated
criminals/lunatics and none where every single deviant is in an
institution.
Of course there are no absolutes. That doesn't justify ignoring the
available data! Many other prosperous countries do have very different
policies than ours, and have far, far lower crime rates. Our "same old,
same old" isn't working, and doing even more of it is very unlikely to
work.
On 1/19/2024 1:15 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 10:06:05 AM UTC-8, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 12:40:28 -0500, Frank KrygowskiPeople guilty of Capital Crimes should be executed. This would drop
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 1/19/2024 10:25 AM, AMuzi wrote:Buiild more prisons.
On 1/19/2024 8:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/19/2024 9:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
We might return to prosecuting felon in possession, armed
assault/robbery etc. There's no shortage of statutes, merely a lack >>>>>>> of will.
There's also the expense. Care to raise more taxes to fund more jail >>>>>> capacity? "No new taxes!!!!" And there's the realization (at least, >>>>>> among some) that in many cases there are better ways to set people >>>>>> right.
As we've noted here repeatedly, the U.S. is a world leader in citizen >>>>>> incarceration. Most other countries jail a far smaller portion of
their population, yet have far lower crime rates.
What was that one definition of insanity? "Doing the same thing over >>>>>> and over and expecting different results"?
Per Bastiat, there are costs to everything. Or in his pithy title, >>>>> "The
Seen and Unseen".
So you're OK with raising taxes to incarcerate even more? Despite the
poor performance of that strategy?
State institution costs are more visible to the taxpayer and other
critics. A plague of suffering mentally ill infesting our streets and >>>>> public services is not better for them or for the citizenry IMHO.
I agree. But let's remember who was most influential in that policy
change.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/commentary/story/2023-04-24/opinion-impact-of-deinstitutionalization-on-homelessness-reagan-mental-health-hospitals-san-diego
And criminals repeatedly assaulting, robbing, raping and killing
citizens
has a real cost too, just not one you share in any large part.
Of course it has costs! The question is, what's the best strategy for
diminishing that behavior? The current one - that is, incarcerating
more
of our population than other countries - doesn't seem to work. See
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-country
Why do you think even more incarceration will work?
And these are not absolutes. There's no world with zero incarcerated >>>>> criminals/lunatics and none where every single deviant is in an
institution.
Of course there are no absolutes. That doesn't justify ignoring the
available data! Many other prosperous countries do have very different >>>> policies than ours, and have far, far lower crime rates. Our "same old, >>>> same old" isn't working, and doing even more of it is very unlikely to >>>> work.
the number of prisoners down to a manageable and frightened number.
This is where Slocomb tells is about burning witches since he
personally knows nothing about the English language and Frank with
absolutely no actual arguments talks about typos like a mindless fool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtegqgKYR-U
Good theory but in practice it would require either competence or
honesty and we are sadly bereft in both.
https://thecrimereport.org/2022/07/05/prosecutorial-misconduct-implicated-in-550-death-penalty-reversals-exonerations/
On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 13:51:53 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 12:26:39 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/19/2024 12:13 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Note that California is $18 billion in dept owed to the Feds for the
UI funding during Covid-19:
<https://edd.ca.gov/siteassets/files/pdf/edduiforecastmay23.pdf>
It's only fair. California owes everyone else anyway: >>>https://sfstandard.com/2024/01/16/california-budget-deficit-2024-newsom/
Aren't they printing their own money, now?
You are "printing" money every time you write a check, use a credit
card, borrow money or do anything that allows you to buy something
without simultaneous cash backing.
On 1/19/2024 10:53 AM, AMuzi wrote:
In the overnight news:
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article284362559.html
"Omondi previously was arrested on suspicion of aggravated
assault and obstruction of justice after he was accused of
pointing at gun at security officers in Fort Worth in May
2023, according to Tarrant County court records. The court
has ordered that information be collected about whether
Omondi has a mental illness."
Same thing over and over. Same results.
Hmm. I wonder of our world-record availability of guns might
possibly be a factor.
Ah Tommy, such a fool.... Capital Crimes? Burning Witches? English
Language? Typos?
On 1/19/2024 2:45 PM, John B. wrote:
<snip>
Ah Tommy, such a fool.... Capital Crimes? Burning Witches?
English
Language? Typos?
I don't think the people that stormed the Capital in 2021
should be executed. Imprisonment is sufficient.
On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:25:43 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/19/2024 8:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/19/2024 9:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/18/2024 8:47 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/18/2024 7:31 PM, John B. wrote:
If a single shooting is done with an Assault type rifle
the goes up,
"BAN the deadly AR!"
But when an official law enforcement agency announces
that 7,937
homicides were committed with "hand guns", i.e.,
"pistols", not a
sound is heard.
John, it's worrisome that you've forgotten, but:
You have complained many times about handgun deaths. I've
said many, many times that if you prefer to begin calling
for serious restrictions on handguns, do so!
We might return to prosecuting felon in possession, armed
assault/robbery etc. There's no shortage of statutes,
merely a lack of will.
There's also the expense. Care to raise more taxes to fund
more jail capacity? "No new taxes!!!!" And there's the
realization (at least, among some) that in many cases there
are better ways to set people right.
As we've noted here repeatedly, the U.S. is a world leader
in citizen incarceration. Most other countries jail a far
smaller portion of their population, yet have far lower
crime rates.
What was that one definition of insanity? "Doing the same
thing over and over and expecting different results"?
Per Bastiat, there are costs to everything. Or in his pithy
title, "The Seen and Unseen".
State institution costs are more visible to the taxpayer and
other critics. A plague of suffering mentally ill infesting
our streets and public services is not better for them or
for the citizenry IMHO. And criminals repeatedly
assaulting, robbing, raping and killing citizens has a real
cost too, just not one you share in any large part. The
poorest least resilient neighborhoods are where that
suffering costs the most, but again not your neighborhood.
And these are not absolutes. There's no world with zero
incarcerated criminals/lunatics and none where every single
deviant is in an institution. Neither of us would prefer
either case.
But we're in the realm of public policy where willing
disbelief reigns:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/25/us/us-mass-incarceration-rate.html
Apparently the idea that lower crime rates were a _result_
of removing criminals' opportunities to wreak mayhem on the
populace never occurred to the writer.
Good old Frankie. I point out that loud cries of aguish are heard when
a few shootings are committed with AR type rifles but not a sound is
heard when far more are committed with conventional firearms and Frank
then switches to "calling for serious restrictions on handguns".
What Frank doesn't seem to realize is that the truth is that "Guns
don't shoot people. People shoot people". His thesis that if we could
just get rid of those deadly AR type rifles there would be no more
school shootings is so wild eyed and fanciful that only someone
completely ignorant of human nature would mention it.
On 1/19/2024 6:18 PM, John B. wrote:
And as usual Frank gets it wrong in stating, "Most other countries
jail a far smaller portion of their population, yet have far lower
crime rates."
The truth is just the opposite, "Most other countries have far lower
crime rates and jail a far smaller portion of their population."
Which phrase you choose to put first doesn't matter much. My point is
that as with several* other issues, the U.S. system is far from
producing the best results. Cries from the far right to keep doing ever
more of the same are ignoring long histories of failure.
* Highest incarceration rates, yet lots more crime than similar nations; >highest medical costs, yet worse health results than similar nations;
highest number of "good guys with guns" yet tremendous levels of gun
violence compared to similar nations... and so on.
On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 22:06:24 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 1/19/2024 6:18 PM, John B. wrote:
And as usual Frank gets it wrong in stating, "Most other countries
jail a far smaller portion of their population, yet have far lower
crime rates."
The truth is just the opposite, "Most other countries have far lower
crime rates and jail a far smaller portion of their population."
Which phrase you choose to put first doesn't matter much. My point is
that as with several* other issues, the U.S. system is far from
producing the best results. Cries from the far right to keep doing ever
more of the same are ignoring long histories of failure.
* Highest incarceration rates, yet lots more crime than similar nations;
highest medical costs, yet worse health results than similar nations;
highest number of "good guys with guns" yet tremendous levels of gun
violence compared to similar nations... and so on.
From my perspective, a serious problem in the USA is governments
enacting laws "to benefit people" which ends up hurting them. That contributes to the problems stated above.
"We're from the government and we're here to help."
On 1/19/2024 6:18 PM, John B. wrote:
And as usual Frank gets it wrong in stating, "Most other
countries
jail a far smaller portion of their population, yet have
far lower
crime rates."
The truth is just the opposite, "Most other countries have
far lower
crime rates and jail a far smaller portion of their
population."
Which phrase you choose to put first doesn't matter much. My
point is that as with several* other issues, the U.S. system
is far from producing the best results. Cries from the far
right to keep doing ever more of the same are ignoring long
histories of failure.
* Highest incarceration rates, yet lots more crime than
similar nations; highest medical costs, yet worse health
results than similar nations; highest number of "good guys
with guns" yet tremendous levels of gun violence compared to
similar nations... and so on.
On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 08:58:44 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunichendless problems with flat tires almost constantly. This did NOT stop until Trump entered office and then disappeared almost overnight.
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 8:14:01?AM UTC-8, Bob F wrote:
On 1/16/2024 8:51 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
During Obama and his Great Recession that the Stupid 4+1 don't believe was there hero Obama's fault, pe3ople without work would run their tires until the steel casing broke through and would bleed steel particles all over the road causing bicycles
these micro holes in it. That could be too much trouble to repair so it was trashed and the next ride on that bike had me getting another flat half way into the ride. I could not repair it since I have mistakenly put a short filler tube in it but the
Biden trumped Obama by doing the same thing in three years. Perhaps this is one of the reasons that Biden approval ratings are the lowest on record. And Trump's the highest.
I have four bikes down in the garage with flat tires and all of them are the slow leaks indicative of worn out car tires shedding wires. When I repair a pin hole flat the next ride is the same problem. One of the tubes I was repairing had six of
still available/ To use these you have to have less depth on the rim and it has to be drilled out for the Shrader filler. So the Stupid 4+1 are going to have to be fitted with tin foil hats because they fully intend to deny it. Even Liebermann who doesn'
This isn't the case with any manual shifting. To show that this isn't a peculiarity of mine, all of the local bike shops are running out of tubes. Several of the local shops have been buying the narrower road tubes with Shrader fillers which are
and the pipe bombs placed outside of the Democrat and Republican Party headquarters that didn't seem in the least to bother people like the Secret Service supposedly protecting Kamala Harris who was at the headquarters. How did pipe bombs sit in plain
November can't come fast enough.
LOL!
That Trump is going to be re-elected after the voter fraud of 2020 is without a doubt. At this point, Christopher Wray will be replaced and the FBI will be free to actually investigate the election fraud. And the so-called January 6th "insurrection"
As usual Tommy gets it wrong. Again.
The bomb behind the RNC was discovered on Jan. 6 at around 12:45 p.m.,
about 90 minutes before rioters entered the Capitol.
Around 1:15 p.m., officials have said, the second bomb was discovered
several blocks away next to a bench outside the DNC. https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/01/29/pipe-bomb-suspect-video/
On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 20:33:30 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/19/2024 6:51 PM, John B. wrote:Here being in the country without a visa is a violation of the law and
On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:25:43 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/19/2024 8:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/19/2024 9:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/18/2024 8:47 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/18/2024 7:31 PM, John B. wrote:
If a single shooting is done with an Assault type rifle
the goes up,
"BAN the deadly AR!"
But when an official law enforcement agency announces
that 7,937
homicides were committed with "hand guns", i.e.,
"pistols", not a
sound is heard.
John, it's worrisome that you've forgotten, but:
You have complained many times about handgun deaths. I've
said many, many times that if you prefer to begin calling
for serious restrictions on handguns, do so!
We might return to prosecuting felon in possession, armed
assault/robbery etc. There's no shortage of statutes,
merely a lack of will.
There's also the expense. Care to raise more taxes to fund
more jail capacity? "No new taxes!!!!" And there's the
realization (at least, among some) that in many cases there
are better ways to set people right.
As we've noted here repeatedly, the U.S. is a world leader
in citizen incarceration. Most other countries jail a far
smaller portion of their population, yet have far lower
crime rates.
What was that one definition of insanity? "Doing the same
thing over and over and expecting different results"?
Per Bastiat, there are costs to everything. Or in his pithy
title, "The Seen and Unseen".
State institution costs are more visible to the taxpayer and
other critics. A plague of suffering mentally ill infesting
our streets and public services is not better for them or
for the citizenry IMHO. And criminals repeatedly
assaulting, robbing, raping and killing citizens has a real
cost too, just not one you share in any large part. The
poorest least resilient neighborhoods are where that
suffering costs the most, but again not your neighborhood.
And these are not absolutes. There's no world with zero
incarcerated criminals/lunatics and none where every single
deviant is in an institution. Neither of us would prefer
either case.
But we're in the realm of public policy where willing
disbelief reigns:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/25/us/us-mass-incarceration-rate.html
Apparently the idea that lower crime rates were a _result_
of removing criminals' opportunities to wreak mayhem on the
populace never occurred to the writer.
Good old Frankie. I point out that loud cries of aguish are heard when
a few shootings are committed with AR type rifles but not a sound is
heard when far more are committed with conventional firearms and Frank
then switches to "calling for serious restrictions on handguns".
What Frank doesn't seem to realize is that the truth is that "Guns
don't shoot people. People shoot people". His thesis that if we could
just get rid of those deadly AR type rifles there would be no more
school shootings is so wild eyed and fanciful that only someone
completely ignorant of human nature would mention it.
no firearms in this link:
https://denvergazette.com/news/suspect-in-deadly-broomfield-crash-deported-multiple-times/article_4728fa44-b00b-11ee-83cd-2bee4cc831ac.html
you are liable to serve some time in jail although if it is a first
offense the police will likely just deliver you to your embassy or the
border if a next door country.
further judicial procedure (or its lack) details:Here if you cause an accident and someone is killed then it is a
https://www.denverpost.com/2024/01/17/broomfield-crash-rioradn-melissa-powell-dui-jose-menjivar-ice-immigration/
maximum of 10 years in jail.
I think our system is better then your system :-)
On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 16:05:45 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/21/2024 3:56 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 20:33:30 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/19/2024 6:51 PM, John B. wrote:Here being in the country without a visa is a violation of the law and
On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:25:43 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
On 1/19/2024 8:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/19/2024 9:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/18/2024 8:47 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/18/2024 7:31 PM, John B. wrote:
If a single shooting is done with an Assault type rifle
the goes up,
"BAN the deadly AR!"
But when an official law enforcement agency announces
that 7,937
homicides were committed with "hand guns", i.e.,
"pistols", not a
sound is heard.
John, it's worrisome that you've forgotten, but:
You have complained many times about handgun deaths. I've
said many, many times that if you prefer to begin calling
for serious restrictions on handguns, do so!
We might return to prosecuting felon in possession, armed
assault/robbery etc. There's no shortage of statutes,
merely a lack of will.
There's also the expense. Care to raise more taxes to fund
more jail capacity? "No new taxes!!!!" And there's the
realization (at least, among some) that in many cases there
are better ways to set people right.
As we've noted here repeatedly, the U.S. is a world leader
in citizen incarceration. Most other countries jail a far
smaller portion of their population, yet have far lower
crime rates.
What was that one definition of insanity? "Doing the same
thing over and over and expecting different results"?
Per Bastiat, there are costs to everything. Or in his pithy
title, "The Seen and Unseen".
State institution costs are more visible to the taxpayer and
other critics. A plague of suffering mentally ill infesting
our streets and public services is not better for them or
for the citizenry IMHO. And criminals repeatedly
assaulting, robbing, raping and killing citizens has a real
cost too, just not one you share in any large part. The
poorest least resilient neighborhoods are where that
suffering costs the most, but again not your neighborhood.
And these are not absolutes. There's no world with zero
incarcerated criminals/lunatics and none where every single
deviant is in an institution. Neither of us would prefer
either case.
But we're in the realm of public policy where willing
disbelief reigns:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/25/us/us-mass-incarceration-rate.html >>>>>>
Apparently the idea that lower crime rates were a _result_
of removing criminals' opportunities to wreak mayhem on the
populace never occurred to the writer.
Good old Frankie. I point out that loud cries of aguish are heard when >>>>> a few shootings are committed with AR type rifles but not a sound is >>>>> heard when far more are committed with conventional firearms and Frank >>>>> then switches to "calling for serious restrictions on handguns".
What Frank doesn't seem to realize is that the truth is that "Guns
don't shoot people. People shoot people". His thesis that if we could >>>>> just get rid of those deadly AR type rifles there would be no more
school shootings is so wild eyed and fanciful that only someone
completely ignorant of human nature would mention it.
no firearms in this link:
https://denvergazette.com/news/suspect-in-deadly-broomfield-crash-deported-multiple-times/article_4728fa44-b00b-11ee-83cd-2bee4cc831ac.html
you are liable to serve some time in jail although if it is a first
offense the police will likely just deliver you to your embassy or the
border if a next door country.
further judicial procedure (or its lack) details:Here if you cause an accident and someone is killed then it is a
https://www.denverpost.com/2024/01/17/broomfield-crash-rioradn-melissa-powell-dui-jose-menjivar-ice-immigration/
maximum of 10 years in jail.
I think our system is better then your system :-)
Well, our countries are different.
If we had a king, we could insult him (1st Amendment) but
after that, a lot here just doesn't work any longer.
I read the other day that some idiot just got a 50 year sentence for insulting the king.
Given that the lèse-majesté law has been on the statute books for 116
years and is supported by the bulk of the population the guy seems to
have set a new record in stupidity.
On 1/19/2024 11:40 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/19/2024 10:25 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/19/2024 8:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/19/2024 9:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
We might return to prosecuting felon in possession,
armed assault/robbery etc. There's no shortage of
statutes, merely a lack of will.
There's also the expense. Care to raise more taxes to
fund more jail capacity? "No new taxes!!!!" And there's
the realization (at least, among some) that in many cases
there are better ways to set people right.
As we've noted here repeatedly, the U.S. is a world
leader in citizen incarceration. Most other countries
jail a far smaller portion of their population, yet have
far lower crime rates.
What was that one definition of insanity? "Doing the same
thing over and over and expecting different results"?
Per Bastiat, there are costs to everything. Or in his
pithy title, "The Seen and Unseen".
So you're OK with raising taxes to incarcerate even more?
Despite the poor performance of that strategy?
State institution costs are more visible to the taxpayer
and other critics. A plague of suffering mentally ill
infesting our streets and public services is not better
for them or for the citizenry IMHO.
I agree. But let's remember who was most influential in that
policy change.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/commentary/story/2023-04-24/opinion-impact-of-deinstitutionalization-on-homelessness-reagan-mental-health-hospitals-san-diego
And criminals repeatedly assaulting, robbing, raping and
killing citizens has a real cost too, just not one you
share in any large part.
Of course it has costs! The question is, what's the best
strategy for diminishing that behavior? The current one -
that is, incarcerating more of our population than other
countries - doesn't seem to work. See
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-country
Why do you think even more incarceration will work?
And these are not absolutes. There's no world with zero
incarcerated criminals/lunatics and none where every
single deviant is in an institution.
Of course there are no absolutes. That doesn't justify
ignoring the available data! Many other prosperous countries
do have very different policies than ours, and have far, far
lower crime rates. Our "same old, same old" isn't working,
and doing even more of it is very unlikely to work.
We can agree that in homogenous countries with a single
culture and language, crimes of all sorts, especially
violent crimes, are less common. That's not where we are.
No illegal immigration in Poland, for example, and Poles
share one language, one culture:
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/POL/poland/crime-rate-statistics
Unlike England:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/288256/violent-crimes-in-england-and-wales/
Then there are countries which experienced a significant
shift in components of their population:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/533917/sweden-number-of-homicides/
Like it or not, simple or complex, we have to deal with US
problems in our own US way with our US populace, voters and
legal processes.
On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:02:26 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:endless problems with flat tires almost constantly. This did NOT stop until Trump entered office and then disappeared almost overnight.
On 1/21/2024 11:48 AM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 08:58:44 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 8:14:01?AM UTC-8, Bob F wrote:
On 1/16/2024 8:51 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
During Obama and his Great Recession that the Stupid 4+1 don't believe was there hero Obama's fault, pe3ople without work would run their tires until the steel casing broke through and would bleed steel particles all over the road causing bicycles
these micro holes in it. That could be too much trouble to repair so it was trashed and the next ride on that bike had me getting another flat half way into the ride. I could not repair it since I have mistakenly put a short filler tube in it but the
Biden trumped Obama by doing the same thing in three years. Perhaps this is one of the reasons that Biden approval ratings are the lowest on record. And Trump's the highest.
I have four bikes down in the garage with flat tires and all of them are the slow leaks indicative of worn out car tires shedding wires. When I repair a pin hole flat the next ride is the same problem. One of the tubes I was repairing had six of
still available/ To use these you have to have less depth on the rim and it has to be drilled out for the Shrader filler. So the Stupid 4+1 are going to have to be fitted with tin foil hats because they fully intend to deny it. Even Liebermann who doesn'
This isn't the case with any manual shifting. To show that this isn't a peculiarity of mine, all of the local bike shops are running out of tubes. Several of the local shops have been buying the narrower road tubes with Shrader fillers which are
and the pipe bombs placed outside of the Democrat and Republican Party headquarters that didn't seem in the least to bother people like the Secret Service supposedly protecting Kamala Harris who was at the headquarters. How did pipe bombs sit in plain
November can't come fast enough.
LOL!
That Trump is going to be re-elected after the voter fraud of 2020 is without a doubt. At this point, Christopher Wray will be replaced and the FBI will be free to actually investigate the election fraud. And the so-called January 6th "insurrection"
As with everything about he 2020 election, false reports
As usual Tommy gets it wrong. Again.
The bomb behind the RNC was discovered on Jan. 6 at around 12:45 p.m.,
about 90 minutes before rioters entered the Capitol.
Around 1:15 p.m., officials have said, the second bomb was discovered
several blocks away next to a bench outside the DNC.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/01/29/pipe-bomb-suspect-video/
proliferated promptly; clarifications are mostly buried.
https://www.theblaze.com/columns/analysis/revealed-a-plainclothes-capitol-cop-found-the-dnc-pipe-bomb
https://politicom.com.au/breaking-professor-and-election-expert-j-halderman-hacks-into-dominion-voting-machine-tabulator-in-court-on-friday-in-georgia-in-front-of-judge-totenberg-using-only-a-pen-to-change-vote-totals/
Why do you suppose that Slocomb HAS to lie about absolutely everything? As it turns out, the discoverer of the pipe bomb is a member of the DC police force in plain clothes. He has not been identified nor questioned to discover how he noticed a pipebomb when you could plainly see him walk by without looking over to where the pipe bomb was sitting in plain view.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-jbrLo81Bs
But this is about getting flats from the steel corded tires because people are back in the Great Recession phase of the economy from the inflation that the Stupid 4+1 claim isn't happening
despite that wonderful Janet Yellen apologizing for causing it.
And that effect on people who are riding bicycles despite Flunky saying it ain't so
and that he can get innertubes from Amazon though he hasn't tried because it is winter and he isn't riding.
That is sort of complicated but my being unable to get new innertubes in the proper size is troublesome.
And here I am with 3 flat tires that I have been repairing over and over again in the last month.
On 1/21/2024 11:07 AM, Tom Kunich proved once again I live rent free in
his head:
But this is about getting flats from the steel corded tires because
people are back in the Great Recession phase of the economy from the
inflation that the Stupid 4+1 claim isn't happening
5 quarters of positive GDP growth averaging 3%.
Inflation dropped from 6.4% in january '23 to 3.4% in december '23.
Major stock indices hit all-time highs in the past few months.
Employment rate well above what economist call "full employment".
Metrics hardly indicative of the deep recession you think we're in.
despite that wonderful Janet Yellen apologizing for causing it.
Yellen didn't apologize for causing the recession because she didn't
cause the recession, dumbass.
And that effect on people who are riding bicycles despite Flunky saying it ain't so
I still say it isn't so. There aren't great numbers of people driving
cars with tread worn down to the cord because they can't afford new
tires. Who knows what you've been riding through to cause this spate of flats, but it isn't because of bits of steel-belted radials.
and that he can get innertubes from Amazon though he hasn't tried
because it is winter and he isn't riding.
I restock my tube and CO2 supplies in the winter when distributor stock
is higher. The link I posted was from an order I placed in November. I
got them in two days with free shipping.
That is sort of complicated but my being unable to get new innertubes in
the proper size is troublesome.
That's your personal problem. Amazon has your tubes and they're
generally available overnight. If you think they aren't, post the
specific size and stem length you need, I'm sure we'll be able to help
you out.
And here I am with 3 flat tires that I have been repairing over and over
again in the last month.
I rarely patch tubes. At ~$6 a piece it simply isn't worth the hassle.
Given the spectacular stock market performance, one would think ordering this: https://www.amazon.com/VeloTubes-Gravel-Presta-Valve-Bicycle/dp/B09GHBF2JX/?th=1
(Free overnight delivery with Prime)
wouldn't be a problem for someone allegedly making $12K/mo off his investments.
On 1/23/2024 6:57 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<snip>
Just saw this breaking news: <http://tinyurl.com/bidenpuncturestires>.
On 1/23/2024 6:57 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<snip>
Just saw this breaking news: <http://tinyurl.com/bidenpuncturestires>.
On 1/23/2024 6:57 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<snip>
Just saw this breaking news:
<http://tinyurl.com/bidenpuncturestires>.
On 1/23/2024 9:29 AM, sms wrote:
On 1/23/2024 6:57 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<snip>
Just saw this breaking news:
<http://tinyurl.com/bidenpuncturestires>.
It may well be that Mr Kunichs's spate of punctures in
Oakland may have something to do with steel shards in the
roadway:
https://nypost.com/2024/01/24/news/oakland-thieves-drag-stolen-atm-after-bank-robbery/
On 1/23/2024 9:29 AM, sms wrote:
On 1/23/2024 6:57 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<snip>
Just saw this breaking news: <http://tinyurl.com/bidenpuncturestires>.
It may well be that Mr Kunichs's spate of punctures in Oakland may have something to do with steel shards in the roadway:
https://nypost.com/2024/01/24/news/oakland-thieves-drag-stolen-atm-after-bank-robbery/
On 1/24/2024 6:58 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/23/2024 9:29 AM, sms wrote:
On 1/23/2024 6:57 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<snip>
Just saw this breaking news:
<http://tinyurl.com/bidenpuncturestires>.
It may well be that Mr Kunichs's spate of punctures in
Oakland may have something to do with steel shards in the
roadway:
https://nypost.com/2024/01/24/news/oakland-thieves-drag-stolen-atm-after-bank-robbery/
The stores with ATM machines in them are stores that usually
don't take credit or debit cards.
While a lot of businesses in the U.S. already no longer
accept cash, the move to cashless needs to be encouraged.
Businesses should actually be charging a surcharge for cash
since the costs of handling cash, and dealing with employee
theft, armored car service, robberies, counterfeit bills,
increased labor, etc., make it more expensive then
electronic payments.
Maybe my local shop had similar happen, didn’t seem to cause any shards that I noticed.
Roger Merriman
While a lot of businesses in the U.S. already no longer accept cash,
the move to cashless needs to be encouraged. Businesses should
actually be charging a surcharge for cash since the costs of handling
cash, and dealing with employee theft, armored car service, robberies,
counterfeit bills, increased labor, etc., make it more expensive then
electronic payments.
In your opinion.
At actual businesses, cash (no card) discounts are widespread.
On 1/25/2024 6:55 AM, AMuzi wrote:
<snip>
While a lot of businesses in the U.S. already no longer
accept cash, the move to cashless needs to be encouraged.
Businesses should actually be charging a surcharge for
cash since the costs of handling cash, and dealing with
employee theft, armored car service, robberies,
counterfeit bills, increased labor, etc., make it more
expensive then electronic payments.
In your opinion.
At actual businesses, cash (no card) discounts are
widespread.
There are some, but fewer and fewer. Even gas stations, that
used to be the businesses that were most likely to have cash
discounts, are eschewing cash and eliminating the price
differential.
The big reason that some businesses don't take credit cards
is that it's a way to not report income and not submit sales
tax that they collect.
On 1/25/2024 10:04 AM, sms wrote:
On 1/25/2024 6:55 AM, AMuzi wrote:
<snip>
While a lot of businesses in the U.S. already no longer accept cash,
the move to cashless needs to be encouraged. Businesses should
actually be charging a surcharge for cash since the costs of
handling cash, and dealing with employee theft, armored car service,
robberies, counterfeit bills, increased labor, etc., make it more
expensive then electronic payments.
In your opinion.
At actual businesses, cash (no card) discounts are widespread.
There are some, but fewer and fewer. Even gas stations, that used to
be the businesses that were most likely to have cash discounts, are
eschewing cash and eliminating the price differential.
The big reason that some businesses don't take credit cards is that
it's a way to not report income and not submit sales tax that they
collect.
You can speculate about motive but in my area anyway cash (no card)
discounts are common and the reverse are virtually unknown.
Businesses vary a lot in myriad ways so a general take on marginal profitability may be impossible. For example, gasoline stations enjoy
huge volume at minuscule margin with high maintenance, reporting and regulatory costs so card systems charge them a lower rate than general merchandise/services and even lower than for groceries who suffer the
same constraints but not as severely
On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 9:07:03 PM UTC+1, sms wrote:
On 1/25/2024 8:25 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/25/2024 10:04 AM, sms wrote:I've never seen a credit card discount. In my area a lot of businesses
On 1/25/2024 6:55 AM, AMuzi wrote:
<snip>
While a lot of businesses in the U.S. already no longer accept cash, >>>>>> the move to cashless needs to be encouraged. Businesses should
actually be charging a surcharge for cash since the costs of
handling cash, and dealing with employee theft, armored car service, >>>>>> robberies, counterfeit bills, increased labor, etc., make it more
expensive then electronic payments.
In your opinion.
At actual businesses, cash (no card) discounts are widespread.
There are some, but fewer and fewer. Even gas stations, that used to
be the businesses that were most likely to have cash discounts, are
eschewing cash and eliminating the price differential.
The big reason that some businesses don't take credit cards is that
it's a way to not report income and not submit sales tax that they
collect.
You can speculate about motive but in my area anyway cash (no card)
discounts are common and the reverse are virtually unknown.
Businesses vary a lot in myriad ways so a general take on marginal
profitability may be impossible. For example, gasoline stations enjoy
huge volume at minuscule margin with high maintenance, reporting and
regulatory costs so card systems charge them a lower rate than general
merchandise/services and even lower than for groceries who suffer the
same constraints but not as severely
now no longer accept cash. This is mainly restaurants and gas stations.
The risks of cash, and the higher costs of accepting cash, are just too
high for them. But they have to go totally cashless to gain all the
benefits, since if they still have to deal with cash they are still
incurring the costs of armored car services, bank fees for coins, higher
labor costs, and higher insurance premiums.
If a business wants to add 2% for credit card customers that's fine, but
they should realize that they will lose some customers because of this.
For me, I get 3% cash back on my main credit card so even a 2% fee would
not stop me from paying with a credit card.
Franchised gas stations have another issue. The retail price of gasoline
is typically marked up a fixed number of cents over wholesale, as low as
10¢, and if a station owner tries to mark it up more than that then the
refinery will increase his wholesale cost. They do this to ensure
high-volume for the refinery and minimal profits for the station owner.
When gasoline was $2 per gallon, a 2% fee for a card-present transaction
was 4¢ out of 10¢. When gasoline is $4 a gallon the 2% fee is 8¢ out of >> 10¢. Obviously a gas station can’t give away 8¢ of its already meager
margin.
Of course the other benefit for businesses of credit cards is that
credit card customers spend more money than cash customers. The benefits
for the customer can be significant as well.
--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
Can’t remember the last time I payed cash for anything.
Lou
On 1/25/2024 8:25 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/25/2024 10:04 AM, sms wrote:
On 1/25/2024 6:55 AM, AMuzi wrote:
<snip>
While a lot of businesses in the U.S. already no longer
accept cash, the move to cashless needs to be
encouraged. Businesses should actually be charging a
surcharge for cash since the costs of handling cash,
and dealing with employee theft, armored car service,
robberies, counterfeit bills, increased labor, etc.,
make it more expensive then electronic payments.
In your opinion.
At actual businesses, cash (no card) discounts are
widespread.
There are some, but fewer and fewer. Even gas stations,
that used to be the businesses that were most likely to
have cash discounts, are eschewing cash and eliminating
the price differential.
The big reason that some businesses don't take credit
cards is that it's a way to not report income and not
submit sales tax that they collect.
You can speculate about motive but in my area anyway cash
(no card) discounts are common and the reverse are
virtually unknown.
Businesses vary a lot in myriad ways so a general take on
marginal profitability may be impossible. For example,
gasoline stations enjoy huge volume at minuscule margin
with high maintenance, reporting and regulatory costs so
card systems charge them a lower rate than general
merchandise/services and even lower than for groceries who
suffer the same constraints but not as severely
I've never seen a credit card discount. In my area a lot of
businesses now no longer accept cash. This is mainly
restaurants and gas stations. The risks of cash, and the
higher costs of accepting cash, are just too high for them.
But they have to go totally cashless to gain all the
benefits, since if they still have to deal with cash they
are still incurring the costs of armored car services, bank
fees for coins, higher labor costs, and higher insurance
premiums.
If a business wants to add 2% for credit card customers
that's fine, but they should realize that they will lose
some customers because of this. For me, I get 3% cash back
on my main credit card so even a 2% fee would not stop me
from paying with a credit card.
Franchised gas stations have another issue. The retail price
of gasoline is typically marked up a fixed number of cents
over wholesale, as low as 10¢, and if a station owner tries
to mark it up more than that then the refinery will increase
his wholesale cost. They do this to ensure high-volume for
the refinery and minimal profits for the station owner.
When gasoline was $2 per gallon, a 2% fee for a card-present
transaction was 4¢ out of 10¢. When gasoline is $4 a gallon
the 2% fee is 8¢ out of 10¢. Obviously a gas station can’t
give away 8¢ of its already meager margin.
Of course the other benefit for businesses of credit cards
is that credit card customers spend more money than cash
customers. The benefits for the customer can be significant
as well.
Plainly you don't have a car. Every gas station in California,
Nevada and Arizona where I've been had a ten cent plastic vs.
Cash differential. Why are you pretending otherwise?
In case you are unaware of it a business has to order
stock and that fixes the minimum they can charge for
a product and remain in business.
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 12:37:56 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
Plainly you don't have a car. Every gas station in California,
Nevada and Arizona where I've been had a ten cent plastic vs.
Cash differential. Why are you pretending otherwise?
In your amazing mirror world, does this ten cent plastic vs cash
differential have a higher price for using a credit card compared to
using cash? If so, your differential is a really a price increase,
not a discount.
"Why do gas stations charge more when you use a credit card?" ><https://www.chase.com/personal/credit-cards/education/basics/why-do-gas-stations-charge-more-for-credit>
"Gas stations charge an average of 5 to 10 cents more per gallon for
credit card purchases."
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 12:44:15 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
In case you are unaware of it a business has to order
stock and that fixes the minimum they can charge for
a product and remain in business.
Nope. Fair Trade laws died in about 1975: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_trade_law>
"As the chain stores became more popular, and bargain prices more
common, there was a widespread repeal of the laws in many
jurisdictions. By 1975, the laws had been repealed completely"
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 12:37:56 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
Plainly you don't have a car. Every gas station in California,
Nevada and Arizona where I've been had a ten cent plastic vs.
Cash differential. Why are you pretending otherwise?
In your amazing mirror world, does this ten cent plastic vs cash
differential have a higher price for using a credit card compared to
using cash? If so, your differential is a really a price increase,
not a discount.
"Why do gas stations charge more when you use a credit card?" <https://www.chase.com/personal/credit-cards/education/basics/why-do-gas-stations-charge-more-for-credit>
"Gas stations charge an average of 5 to 10 cents more per gallon for
credit card purchases."
Can’t remember the last time I payed cash for anything.
My grandsons live like that. Almost no one in their age group can make change (mostly, no experience on either side of a till).
On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 6:34:40?PM UTC+1, sms wrote:
On 1/25/2024 12:16 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
<snip>
Cant remember the last time I payed cash for anything.It's pretty rare to have to pay cash in the U.S., but some small
restaurants and bars still don't take credit cards. But a higher number
now don't accept cash because of the high costs associated with cash.
The issue with the credit card fees is that the business sees the cost
explicitly. With cash, the costs are spread out into things like higher
labor costs, theft, counterfeit bills, insurance premiums, armored car
service, and bank fees. There's also the fact that people using credit
cards, on average, spend more money than cash customers.
A lot of gas stations no longer have different prices for cash or credit
because they don't want to lose business to credit-card-only gas
stations like Costco or Sam's Club which also almost always have the
lowest gasoline prices. A lot of gas stations still do have a higher
price for credit card use but the difference in price is less than the
cashback rewards on a typical credit card, especially when gas prices
are high.
Oddly, yesterday, I was in two different businesses that did not take
Apple Pay or Google Pay. They didn't even have a credit card chip
reader, only a magstripe reader?it's extremely rare to see this since
the credit card processor doesn't reimburse the merchant for stolen card
purchases if they don't have an EMV chip reader.
What annoys me about using a credit card is that now every coffee house,
bakery, etc., expects you to add a tip, even for take-out orders. Adding
$1 for a $3 coffee?! See <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vJV_w0AGq8>.
Also the constant request for donations at supermarkets and drugstores
to charities that may be less than reputable.
--
If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.Tin Foil Awards
We dont have that tip culture here. You can give a tip but it is not expected. In shops we just pay the price and the employer pays the employee.
Lou
On 1/19/2024 6:13 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:53:44 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/19/2024 8:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/19/2024 9:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/18/2024 8:47 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/18/2024 7:31 PM, John B. wrote:
If a single shooting is done with an Assault type rifle
the goes up,
"BAN the deadly AR!"
But when an official law enforcement agency announces
that 7,937
homicides were committed with "hand guns", i.e.,
"pistols", not a
sound is heard.
John, it's worrisome that you've forgotten, but:
You have complained many times about handgun deaths. I've
said many, many times that if you prefer to begin calling
for serious restrictions on handguns, do so!
We might return to prosecuting felon in possession, armed
assault/robbery etc. There's no shortage of statutes,
merely a lack of will.
There's also the expense. Care to raise more taxes to fund
more jail capacity? "No new taxes!!!!" And there's the
realization (at least, among some) that in many cases there
are better ways to set people right.
As we've noted here repeatedly, the U.S. is a world leader
in citizen incarceration. Most other countries jail a far
smaller portion of their population, yet have far lower
crime rates.
What was that one definition of insanity? "Doing the same
thing over and over and expecting different results"?
In the overnight news:
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article284362559.html
"Omondi previously was arrested on suspicion of aggravated
assault and obstruction of justice after he was accused of
pointing at gun at security officers in Fort Worth in May
2023, according to Tarrant County court records. The court
has ordered that information be collected about whether
Omondi has a mental illness."
Same thing over and over. Same results.
Here if you were to point a gun at a police officer he and any other
officers present would shoot you. Several times.
The assumption is, of course, if you point a gun you intend to fire
it. And thus the officer is correct in firing.
Sounds pretty reasonable.
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