When Google kicks the bucket on Usenet, nothing much changes. Google doesn't own Usenet; nobody does. But you will need a new connection to continue reading rec.bicycles.tech on Usenet. Years ago I used Eternal September, and it still seems the bestoption; Mr Muzi also recommends it. Here's the registration link, a painless procedure:
https://www.eternal-september.org
Andre Jute
A public service performed.
On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 4:57:28 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:option; Mr Muzi also recommends it. Here's the registration link, a painless procedure:
When Google kicks the bucket on Usenet, nothing much changes. Google doesn't own Usenet; nobody does. But you will need a new connection to continue reading rec.bicycles.tech on Usenet. Years ago I used Eternal September, and it still seems the best
https://www.eternal-september.orgI'm registered and have a password but I can't see any way to sign in,.
Andre Jute
A public service performed.
On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 4:57:28?AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:option; Mr Muzi also recommends it. Here's the registration link, a painless procedure:
When Google kicks the bucket on Usenet, nothing much changes. Google doesn't own Usenet; nobody does. But you will need a new connection to continue reading rec.bicycles.tech on Usenet. Years ago I used Eternal September, and it still seems the best
https://www.eternal-september.org
Andre Jute
A public service performed.
I'm registered and have a password but I can't see any way to sign in,.
On Tue, 2 Jan 2024 07:45:44 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunichoption; Mr Muzi also recommends it. Here's the registration link, a painless procedure:
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 4:57:28?AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
When Google kicks the bucket on Usenet, nothing much changes. Google doesn't own Usenet; nobody does. But you will need a new connection to continue reading rec.bicycles.tech on Usenet. Years ago I used Eternal September, and it still seems the best
https://www.eternal-september.org
Andre Jute
A public service performed.
I'm registered and have a password but I can't see any way to sign in,.
I wrote a long reply explaining how it works. However, just as I was
almost ready to post it, I deleted the message. Much as I like being helpful, I couldn't resist the opportunity to enjoy an RBT without Tom
and his amazing facts. Yes, I know that I'm mean, rotten, evil,
sadistic, cruel, wicked, sinful, etc. It's just that I can't resist
the opportunity.
So Tom... Sorry that I couldn't help and good luck getting your
unspecified hardware and software configured. It shouldn't be
difficult because it's been done successfully many times by many
people.
For those who RTFM, no help is needed.
For those who do not RTFM, no help is possible.
On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 3:45:47 PM UTC, Tom Kunich wrote:option; Mr Muzi also recommends it. Here's the registration link, a painless procedure:
On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 4:57:28 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
When Google kicks the bucket on Usenet, nothing much changes. Google doesn't own Usenet; nobody does. But you will need a new connection to continue reading rec.bicycles.tech on Usenet. Years ago I used Eternal September, and it still seems the best
September, the better ones automatically using your password to sign you in. You may have to pay for the readers in Andrew's link, or look further for a free reader. IIRC, Mozilla, which yonks ago was my browser, had a free reader the last time I usedI decided that Google bugging out of the Usenet is a good time for me to bugger off too, so I didn't look any further than finding the link to Eternal September. But basically the answer is that you need a newsgroup reader which links you to Eternalhttps://www.eternal-september.orgI'm registered and have a password but I can't see any way to sign in,.
Andre Jute
A public service performed.
Andre Jute
Thanks for all the fish. -- Douglas Adams
On 1/3/2024 4:42 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 3:45:47 PM UTC, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 4:57:28 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:I decided that Google bugging out of the Usenet is a good time for me
When Google kicks the bucket on Usenet, nothing much changes. GoogleI'm registered and have a password but I can't see any way to sign in,.
doesn't own Usenet; nobody does. But you will need a new connection
to continue reading rec.bicycles.tech on Usenet. Years ago I used
Eternal September, and it still seems the best option; Mr Muzi also
recommends it. Here's the registration link, a painless procedure:
https://www.eternal-september.org
Andre Jute
A public service performed.
to bugger off too, so I didn't look any further than finding the link
to Eternal September. But basically the answer is that you need a
newsgroup reader which links you to Eternal September, the better ones
automatically using your password to sign you in. You may have to pay
for the readers in Andrew's link, or look further for a free reader.
IIRC, Mozilla, which yonks ago was my browser, had a free reader the
last time I used Eternal September, but I don't remember it being
called "Mozilla Seamonkey" as in Smith's post above.
Andre Jute
Thanks for all the fish. -- Douglas Adams
I pay nothing extra to read usenet through eternal-september.org in my
email reader, Mozilla Thunderbird. I do pay for fiber online
network access into our building.
On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 6:21:44 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:in my
On 1/3/2024 9:15 AM, AMuzi wrote:
I pay nothing extra to read usenet through eternal-september.org
that ignorance by pretending that a term you've never heard before isn'temail reader, Mozilla Thunderbird. I do pay for fiber onlineDon't you mean "Light Line"?
& telephone
network access into our building.
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It must really be hell to be as stupid as you and try and make fun of
Do you do the same thing with "Ma" instead of "Mother"?
On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 10:55:00 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:
On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 11:02:00 AM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 6:21:44 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:in my
On 1/3/2024 9:15 AM, AMuzi wrote:
I pay nothing extra to read usenet through eternal-september.org
that ignorance by pretending that a term you've never heard before isn'temail reader, Mozilla Thunderbird. I do pay for fiber onlineDon't you mean "Light Line"?
& telephone
network access into our building.
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It must really be hell to be as stupid as you and try and make fun of
real.
It must be hell to keep stupidly claiming The term "light line" exists
as a description for fiber optic cables when you've never been able
prove it. If you think otherwise, post a link from a reputable source
that demonstrates it's usage as common vernacular. No one here is going
to take your word for it, any more than we did that PWM is used to test
cables, until you prove otherwise from a source other than your own ass.
Do you do the same thing with "Ma" instead of "Mother"?Have you figured out how to log into Eternal September yet? lol....
https://www.fiberopticstech.com/products/light-lines/ I could have sworn you said that fiber optics are never called light lines. Any moron qouls knoq rhat a connon use for fiber optics is actually lighting things.n
Light lines re for digital communications.
It is simply too bad thqt never working as a reaol engineer all you can do is argue like some petty little cunt.
Congratulations! You found one application of where fiber optics are
used as a source of illumination called by a manufacturer as a "light
line". If you recall, Both Jeff and I noted that fiber optics are in
fact used for lighting in some applications. I don't think it's too much
of a stretch to find out some obscure company making fiber optic
lighting uses the term "light line" for it's line of fiber optic
lighting products.
On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 3:17:07 AM UTC, sms wrote:
On 1/3/2024 5:51 PM, zen cycle wrote:Aw, sheet, Scharfie. From that secretarial assistant the Flunkymonkey we expect only lies and more barefaced lies and weaselling when his stupid lies are exposed,
Congratulations! You found one application of where fiber optics are
used as a source of illumination called by a manufacturer as a "light
line". If you recall, Both Jeff and I noted that fiber optics are in
fact used for lighting in some applications. I don't think it's too much >>> of a stretch to find out some obscure company making fiber optic
lighting uses the term "light line" for it's line of fiber optic
lighting products.
This is totally different than communications over fiber-optic lines.
This is using plastic fibers as an illumination source. You see this
pretty often in consumer products.
--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
but from you, a fellow who spent his working life presumably with real electronics engineers? This is politically inspired crap of sub-manure quality.
You're the idiot giving hostages to fortune with your tag-line, “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it really do matter less than the opinions of experts," so don't blame me for pointing out your meretricious motives.
Personally, since I know about frequencies and waves and symbols,
I have bets out on what you Klowns will screech next if I say that sending Morse Code with an Aldis lamp is also a form of communication and control by light lines, an impeccable position in physics,
o̶ b̶e̶ s̶c̶h̶o̶o̶l̶ b̶u̶l̶l̶i̶e̶s̶. a writer of vanity novels and diarrhea-mouthed, long winded poster to the Usenet - where he pretends to be famous.A̶n̶d̶r̶e̶ J̶u̶t̶e̶ shitstain
Z̶e̶r̶o̶ t̶o̶l̶e̶r̶a̶n̶c̶e̶ f̶o̶r̶ f̶o̶o̶l̶s̶ r̶a̶b̶b̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶-̶o̶n̶ o̶n̶ t̶h̶e̶ n̶e̶t̶ f̶i̶v̶e̶ d̶e̶c̶a̶d̶e̶s̶ a̶f̶t̶e̶r̶ t̶h̶e̶y̶ w̶e̶r̶e̶ t̶o̶o̶ s̶h̶o̶r̶t̶a̶r̶s̶e̶d̶ t̶
On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 5:51:44 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:o̶ b̶e̶ s̶c̶h̶o̶o̶l̶ b̶u̶l̶l̶i̶e̶s̶. a writer of vanity novels and diarrhea-mouthed, long winded poster to the Usenet - where he pretends to be famous.
On 1/4/2024 6:54 AM, shitstain excreted more tainted and ignorant opinion: >>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 3:17:07 AM UTC, sms wrote:
Care to point out the "lie", shitstain?On 1/3/2024 5:51 PM, zen cycle wrote:Aw, sheet, Scharfie. From that secretarial assistant the Flunkymonkey we expect only lies and more barefaced lies and weaselling when his stupid lies are exposed,
Congratulations! You found one application of where fiber optics are >>>>> used as a source of illumination called by a manufacturer as a "light >>>>> line". If you recall, Both Jeff and I noted that fiber optics are in >>>>> fact used for lighting in some applications. I don't think it's too much >>>>> of a stretch to find out some obscure company making fiber optic
lighting uses the term "light line" for it's line of fiber optic
lighting products.
This is totally different than communications over fiber-optic lines.
This is using plastic fibers as an illumination source. You see this
pretty often in consumer products.
--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
but from you, a fellow who spent his working life presumably with real electronics engineers? This is politically inspired crap of sub-manure quality.Stating that a light source transmitted through a fiber optic cable is
completely different application than data communication is "politically
inspired crap"? It's no wonder the Irish Examiner fired you and purged
all your articles.
You're the idiot giving hostages to fortune with your tag-line, “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it really do matter less than the opinions of experts," so don't blame me for pointing out your meretricious motives.Sure ya do....Care to elucidate us on the relationship between symbol
Personally, since I know about frequencies and waves and symbols,
error rate and wavelength in multi-mode vs single-mode fiber optic
cables? The only thing you know is pure shit.
I have bets out on what you Klowns will screech next if I say that sending Morse Code with an Aldis lamp is also a form of communication and control by light lines, an impeccable position in physics,lol....sure skippy, tell us how a signalling lamp though open air
qualifies as a 'light line'.....HAHA!!! did you win your bet? Good, you
might need it to augment your public assistance
if you and the Flunkymonkey even know that much physics, or any of the
rest of your twee mob of screeching monkeys.
A̶n̶d̶r̶e̶ J̶u̶t̶e̶ shitstain
Z̶e̶r̶o̶ t̶o̶l̶e̶r̶a̶n̶c̶e̶ f̶o̶r̶ f̶o̶o̶l̶s̶ r̶a̶b̶b̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶-̶o̶n̶ o̶n̶ t̶h̶e̶ n̶e̶t̶ f̶i̶v̶e̶ d̶e̶c̶a̶d̶e̶s̶ a̶f̶t̶e̶r̶ t̶h̶e̶y̶ w̶e̶r̶e̶ t̶o̶o̶ s̶h̶o̶r̶t̶a̶r̶s̶e̶d̶ t
It is sort of curious that you were too stupid to bother to read that advert for lite lines since like every other stupif thing from you or Liebermannm it was
Oh, you mean like the sum total of your contributions from december?
- Why the Stupid 4 Celebrate Kwanzaa
- Incompetence or conspiracy? Pick any two.
- We're jingle-belling our way to nullity
- No. 113 of the Worthless Flunkymonkey's Ignorance
- No. 113c of the Worthless Flunkymonkey's Ignorance
- Who turned Portland into a hellhole?
- The Known Unknowns
- The Democrat Party
- Texas Attorney-General sues Pfizer over Vaccine
February 22 can't come soon enough for the likes of you.
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DATA and not illumination that product is designed for.
But wait a minute. It was your claim that NO ONE used that terminology.
So now it is your claim that other people whom you dislike for proving you again wrong are just a glitch in your real world
view that doesn't include actually ever being a real engineer.
I read it thoroughly. There's noting on that page that states its used
for data. Every application points to illumination.
Try again sparky.
On 1/4/2024 7:20 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
<snip>
I read it thoroughly. There's noting on that page that states its used
for data. Every application points to illumination.
Try again sparky.
Yes, I designed one product that used this technology for illumination.
It's actually more expensive, in terms of components, than using an LED
but there is an advantage, in terms of assembly cost, in some cases.
No one calls the fiber optics used for high-speed data communication
"light pipes."
Tom can learn about light pipes here: <https://www.bivar.com/resources/light-pipe-technology-and-applications/>.
On 1/4/2024 7:20 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
<snip>
I read it thoroughly. There's nothing on that page that states its used
for data. Every application points to illumination.
Try again sparky.
Yes, I designed one product that used this technology for illumination.
It's actually more expensive, in terms of components, than using an LED
but there is an advantage, in terms of assembly cost, in some cases.
No one calls the fiber optics used for high-speed data communication
"light pipes."
Tom can learn about light pipes here: ><https://www.bivar.com/resources/light-pipe-technology-and-applications/>.
On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 07:38:04 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:
On 1/4/2024 7:20 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
<snip>
I read it thoroughly. There's nothing on that page that states its used
for data. Every application points to illumination.
Try again sparky.
Yes, I designed one product that used this technology for illumination.
It's actually more expensive, in terms of components, than using an LED
but there is an advantage, in terms of assembly cost, in some cases.
I began tracing the history of "light line" as a trademark or
wordmark. It has quite a long history (which includes a line of
bicycle components).
Start here:
<https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/search/search-information>
and inscribe "light line" (without the quotation marks) into the
search box. Hit the magnifying glass icon.
1,043,060 results for light line
564,050 dead records indicating that the "light line" trademark was abandoned.
This is important because no company would use "light line" as a
trademark for their product, or even as a description, unless they
could insure that it was free from any potential infringement claims
within a product or service area. With the number of past and present trademarks, that's impossible. For example, if you go to the above
"results" pages for the search, and inscribe "fiber optic" in the
"refine search" box, you'll see:
40,618 results for light line & fiber optic
for which 479,010 are live and registered. A company like AT&T
wouldn't touch such a trademark without EXCLUSIVE use within their
product area. Skimming the results, I find no trademarks for "live
line" that involve telecommunications, data communications or similar services. Most of the list of 7,089 companies that own one of the
trademarks are for some form of illumination. Tom was able to find
one of the companies that owns one of the trademarks for "light
lines". There are plenty more, but none that I can find in the
telecom or datacom sectors.
No one calls the fiber optics used for high-speed data communication
"light pipes."
Tom can learn about light pipes here:
<https://www.bivar.com/resources/light-pipe-technology-and-applications/>.
Drivel: Cataract surgery update. I survived the first surgery. I'm
alive and so far, all the problems are minor and temporary. My left
eye went from 20/200 to 20/30 which is an impressive improvement. At
this time, my left eye is slightly inflamed, so everything is out of
focus. There are other problems, all of which should disappear
eventually. I'll be wearing dark glass until the eye adjusts to the
increase in light. I get to repeat everything for the right eye on
Jan 17.
I decided that Google bugging out of the Usenet is a good time for me to bugger off too, so I didn't look any further than finding the link to Eternal September.
So, are you really abandoning Usenet?
On 1/4/2024 12:53 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
<snip>
So, are you really abandoning Usenet?
Why are people explaining how to remain on Usenet to the
biggest trolls?
On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 02:42:59 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
<fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
I decided that Google bugging out of the Usenet is a good time for me to bugger off too, so I didn't look any further than finding the link to Eternal September.
That seems to be a contradiction. You confirm that Google is leaving
Usenet, which is quite true. Then, you announce that this is a good
time for you to "bugger off" which I presume means that you plan to
also leave Usenet. Lastly, you indicated that your nearsighted vision
led you to Eternal-September to do something unspecified. The
shopping list of available Usenet newsgroups which you'll find on
Eternal September is a sub-set of what you can still find on Google
Groups. Private Google newsgroups and some company forums will likely disappear on Feb 24. However, the major groups, including RBT and
most of the ALT groups, which are currently found on Google Groups,
will also be found on Eternal-September.
I don't know how far back Eternal-September stores articles. For RBT,
Google was able to produce Tom's articles back to 1992. That's 32
years (or more) of retention. I couldn't find exactly how long Eternal-September saves old articles, but it's likely to be much less
than 32 years. If I was doing "research" in RBT, Eternal-September
would not be a good solution. Iweeka claims to have the best
retention at 5,600 days (15.3 years),
<https://www.eweka.nl/en>
which doesn't come close to Google's retention. As long as Google
Groups remains online and active, it can still be used for reading old articles and "research". However, if and when the Google Usenet
archive disappears, all the old articles might disappear with Google.
So, are you really abandoning Usenet?
On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 02:42:59 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
<fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
I decided that Google bugging out of the Usenet is a good time for me to bugger off too, so I didn't look any further than finding the link to Eternal September.
That seems to be a contradiction. You confirm that Google is leaving
Usenet, which is quite true. Then, you announce that this is a good
time for you to "bugger off" which I presume means that you plan to
also leave Usenet. Lastly, you indicated that your nearsighted vision
led you to Eternal-September to do something unspecified. The
shopping list of available Usenet newsgroups which you'll find on
Eternal September is a sub-set of what you can still find on Google
Groups. Private Google newsgroups and some company forums will likely disappear on Feb 24. However, the major groups, including RBT and
most of the ALT groups, which are currently found on Google Groups,
will also be found on Eternal-September.
I don't know how far back Eternal-September stores articles. For RBT,
Google was able to produce Tom's articles back to 1992. That's 32
years (or more) of retention. I couldn't find exactly how long Eternal-September saves old articles, but it's likely to be much less
than 32 years. If I was doing "research" in RBT, Eternal-September
would not be a good solution. Iweeka claims to have the best
retention at 5,600 days (15.3 years),
<https://www.eweka.nl/en>
which doesn't come close to Google's retention. As long as Google
Groups remains online and active, it can still be used for reading old articles and "research". However, if and when the Google Usenet
archive disappears, all the old articles might disappear with Google.
So, are you really abandoning Usenet?
" I don't know how far back Eternal-September stores articles. "
On 1/4/2024 12:53 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
<snip>
So, are you really abandoning Usenet?
Why are people explaining how to remain on Usenet to the biggest trolls?
On 1/4/2024 2:53 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
" I don't know how far back Eternal-September stores articles. "
I didn't know either.
Two years:
https://www.newsgroupreviews.com/eternal-september.html
And you _still_ type better than tommy
I think that now that I figured Eternal-September out and could post through them,
the only one with anything worth saying is Andrew and I'm not going to spend my
time on Usenet for one man.
So long and thanks for all the fish.
On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 15:09:58 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/4/2024 2:53 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
" I don't know how far back Eternal-September stores articles."
I didn't know either.
Two years:
https://www.newsgroupreviews.com/eternal-september.html
Where does it say two year? All I see is:
"Retention is currently 2 years for de.*, 160 days for the Big 8, 130
days for alt.* and 90 days for other hierarchies."
RBT is one of the big 8 newsgroups and if the above is correct,
retention is only 160 days.
On 1/4/2024 3:38 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 15:09:58 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/4/2024 2:53 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
" I don't know how far back Eternal-September stores articles."
I didn't know either.
Two years:
https://www.newsgroupreviews.com/eternal-september.html
Where does it say two year? All I see is:
"Retention is currently 2 years for de.*, 160 days for the Big 8, 130
days for alt.* and 90 days for other hierarchies."
RBT is one of the big 8 newsgroups and if the above is correct,
retention is only 160 days.
OK 'up to two years'
Frankly I can't recall searching for an old usenet post.
On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 16:24:05 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/4/2024 3:38 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 15:09:58 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/4/2024 2:53 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
" I don't know how far back Eternal-September stores articles."
I didn't know either.
Two years:
https://www.newsgroupreviews.com/eternal-september.html
Where does it say two year? All I see is:
"Retention is currently 2 years for de.*, 160 days for the Big 8, 130
days for alt.* and 90 days for other hierarchies."
RBT is one of the big 8 newsgroups and if the above is correct,
retention is only 160 days.
OK 'up to two years'
I read that to be only in the de.* (Germany) domain. However, even at
2 years, it's considerably shorter than what Google currently stores.
Frankly I can't recall searching for an old usenet post.
In RBT, I dig up old postings mostly to embarrass Tom. In other
groups, I use it to obtain some historical background on some project.
I don't know the frequency of such lookups, but I do know that the
archived files will be missed if Google removes them. Maybe if Google
gives everything to archive.org? What I won't miss is the marginally
useful Google Groups search. <https://archive.org/details/usenet-rec.bicycles> <https://archive.org/details/usenet>
You are correct. When Usenet was dying because people were tired of Jobst,
I decided to stick around. But with the Stupid 4+1 the usefulness of "Usenet has finally reached its limit. These people are not bicyclists.
They certainly aren't their claims of being engineers.
I would be surprised if Krygowski graduated even ONE student that went on to make a living as an engineer.
Liebermann thinks of himself as well respected. He should probably sell his resume to a standup commedian.
Flunky is doing his best to end a 37 year old company.
I cannot even imagine taking money from a company to play on the internet.
Slocomb was never anything so why did he ever post here?
And Scharf has gone back to his old habit of posting without thinking. If indeed he was working as an EE how would he, like Flunky have all day to post?
I think that now that I figured Eternal-September out and could post through them
the only one with anything worth saying is Andrew
and I'm not going to spend my time on Usenet for one man.
So long and thanks for all the fish.
On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 07:38:04 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:
On 1/4/2024 7:20 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
<snip>
I read it thoroughly. There's nothing on that page that states its used
for data. Every application points to illumination.
Try again sparky.
Yes, I designed one product that used this technology for illumination. >>It's actually more expensive, in terms of components, than using an LED
but there is an advantage, in terms of assembly cost, in some cases.
I began tracing the history of "light line" as a trademark or
wordmark. It has quite a long history (which includes a line of
bicycle components).
Start here:
<https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/search/search-information>
and inscribe "light line" (without the quotation marks) into the
search box. Hit the magnifying glass icon.
1,043,060 results for light line
564,050 dead records indicating that the "light line" trademark was >abandoned.
This is important because no company would use "light line" as a
trademark for their product, or even as a description, unless they
could insure that it was free from any potential infringement claims
within a product or service area. With the number of past and present >trademarks, that's impossible. For example, if you go to the above
"results" pages for the search, and inscribe "fiber optic" in the
"refine search" box, you'll see:
40,618 results for light line & fiber optic
for which 479,010 are live and registered. A company like AT&T
wouldn't touch such a trademark without EXCLUSIVE use within their
product area. Skimming the results, I find no trademarks for "live
line" that involve telecommunications, data communications or similar >services. Most of the list of 7,089 companies that own one of the
trademarks are for some form of illumination. Tom was able to find
one of the companies that owns one of the trademarks for "light
lines". There are plenty more, but none that I can find in the
telecom or datacom sectors.
No one calls the fiber optics used for high-speed data communication
"light pipes."
Tom can learn about light pipes here: >><https://www.bivar.com/resources/light-pipe-technology-and-applications/>.
Drivel: Cataract surgery update. I survived the first surgery. I'm
alive and so far, all the problems are minor and temporary. My left
eye went from 20/200 to 20/30 which is an impressive improvement. At
this time, my left eye is slightly inflamed, so everything is out of
focus. There are other problems, all of which should disappear
eventually. I'll be wearing dark glass until the eye adjusts to the
increase in light. I get to repeat everything for the right eye on
Jan 17.
In RBT, I dig up old postings mostly to embarrass Tom. In other
groups, I use it to obtain some historical background on some project.
I don't know the frequency of such lookups, but I do know that the
archived files will be missed if Google removes them. Maybe if Google
gives everything to archive.org? What I won't miss is the marginally
useful Google Groups search.
On 1/4/2024 4:40 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
You are correct. When Usenet was dying because people were tired of
Jobst,
So millions of users of the some 120,000 newsgroups on usenet were all leaving because of Jobst Brandt......sure.
On 1/4/2024 2:50 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
<snip>
In RBT, I dig up old postings mostly to embarrass Tom. In other
groups, I use it to obtain some historical background on some project.
I don't know the frequency of such lookups, but I do know that the
archived files will be missed if Google removes them. Maybe if Google
gives everything to archive.org? What I won't miss is the marginally
useful Google Groups search.
It is sometimes useful to find old posts. Not sure what your upside is
is in embarrassing Tom, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.
On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 18:10:38 -0500, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 1/4/2024 4:40 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
So millions of users of the some 120,000 newsgroups on usenet were all
You are correct. When Usenet was dying because people were tired of Jobst, >>
leaving because of Jobst Brandt......sure.
I decided to stick around. But with the Stupid 4+1 the usefulness of "Usenet has finally reached its limit. These people are not bicyclists.
Of course not. You, Andrew, and maybe Lou and the Reverend Cleary are
the only real bike riders in this forum, the rest of us can't even stay
up on two wheels....
They certainly aren't their claims of being engineers.
Tommy can't stand the fact that every time he posts non-cycling
nonsense, he gets called out on it.
I would be surprised if Krygowski graduated even ONE student that went on to make a living as an engineer.
oh, c'mon...At least two or three...
Liebermann thinks of himself as well respected. He should probably sell his resume to a standup commedian.
If he isn't well-respected, can you imagine how little respect we have
for you?
Flunky is doing his best to end a 37 year old company.
Well, it's 87 years, but who's counting....And if I was doing my best to
destroy my company, I certainly wouldn't have time to post in RBT
I cannot even imagine taking money from a company to play on the internet. >>yup, that's what I do at "work"...I play on the internet aaalllll
daaaaay looooong.
Slocomb was never anything so why did he ever post here?
Same reason as you, I guess
And Scharf has gone back to his old habit of posting without thinking. If indeed he was working as an EE how would he, like Flunky have all day to post?
a few posts a day is "all day to post"? Hint, look up "multi-tasking"
I think that now that I figured Eternal-September out and could post through them
um...no, you can't. There's an important piece to that equation you're
missing.
the only one with anything worth saying is Andrew
Damn! Andre just got SLAPPED!!!
and I'm not going to spend my time on Usenet for one man.
Geeze, I guess there's no love lost for Mr. Muzi either. Are you gonna
be OK Andrew?
So long and thanks for all the fish.
It's extremely poor form to quote without attribution (some call it
plagiarism), even more poor form when you have absolutely no idea what
it means.
An interesting question is how would tommy, living in a cruddy part of
a small California town (pop - 19,000) discover what a bloke in the
N.E. corner of Massachusetts is doing?
Does he, in the dark of the moon, creep up on the roof of his garage,
flap - his wings a fly away off to the East coast? Or perhaps he is
jet powered? After a supper of beans and beer, up on the roof, pants
down, bend over and Bbbraaaaappppp, he blasts off, leaving a brown
streak all the way to Massachusetts.
An interesting question is how would tommy, living in a cruddy part of
a small California town (pop - 19,000) discover what a bloke in the
N.E. corner of Massachusetts is doing?
Does he, in the dark of the moon, creep up on the roof of his garage,
flap - his wings a fly away off to the East coast? Or perhaps he is
jet powered? After a supper of beans and beer, up on the roof, pants
down, bend over and Bbbraaaaappppp, he blasts off, leaving a brown
streak all the way to Massachusetts.
Ridiculous? Certainly. Just as are tommy's posts.
On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 1:09:59 PM UTC, Zen Cycle wrote:
Why, is Tommy our very own Studebaker Hoch?!?!
https://youtu.be/4XsuYMtnCKY?si=56q8hStAxvo8ggJP
Don't give up your day job to become a comedian. I'd say you're tenth rate, but that would be an insult to the merely tenth-rate.
(Libretto courtesy of Zappa Wiki
(https://wiki.killuglyradio.com/wiki/Billy_The_Mountain))
Ridiculous? Certainly. Just as are tommy's posts.Which are certainly more ridiculous than a Frank Zappa Musical vignette.
Unsigned out of contempt/
On 1/4/2024 2:53 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 02:42:59 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
<fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
I decided that Google bugging out of the Usenet is a good time for me
to bugger off too, so I didn't look any further than finding the link
to Eternal September.
That seems to be a contradiction. You confirm that Google is leaving
Usenet, which is quite true. Then, you announce that this is a good
time for you to "bugger off" which I presume means that you plan to
also leave Usenet. Lastly, you indicated that your nearsighted vision
led you to Eternal-September to do something unspecified. The
shopping list of available Usenet newsgroups which you'll find on
Eternal September is a sub-set of what you can still find on Google
Groups. Private Google newsgroups and some company forums will likely
disappear on Feb 24. However, the major groups, including RBT and
most of the ALT groups, which are currently found on Google Groups,
will also be found on Eternal-September.
I don't know how far back Eternal-September stores articles. For RBT,
Google was able to produce Tom's articles back to 1992. That's 32
years (or more) of retention. I couldn't find exactly how long
Eternal-September saves old articles, but it's likely to be much less
than 32 years. If I was doing "research" in RBT, Eternal-September
would not be a good solution. Iweeka claims to have the best
retention at 5,600 days (15.3 years),
<https://www.eweka.nl/en>
which doesn't come close to Google's retention. As long as Google
Groups remains online and active, it can still be used for reading old
articles and "research". However, if and when the Google Usenet
archive disappears, all the old articles might disappear with Google.
So, are you really abandoning Usenet?
" I don't know how far back Eternal-September stores articles. "
I didn't know either.
Two years:
https://www.newsgroupreviews.com/eternal-september.html
It took me a year before I could stand to be out in the sunlight
without sun glasses. Good luck with the other eye.
On 1/4/2024 2:50 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
<snip>
In RBT, I dig up old postings mostly to embarrass Tom. In other
groups, I use it to obtain some historical background on some project.
I don't know the frequency of such lookups, but I do know that the
archived files will be missed if Google removes them. Maybe if Google
gives everything to archive.org? What I won't miss is the marginally
useful Google Groups search.
It is sometimes useful to find old posts. Not sure what your upside is
is in embarrassing Tom, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.
On Thu, 04 Jan 2024 18:48:53 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
It took me a year before I could stand to be out in the sunlight
without sun glasses. Good luck with the other eye.
Ouch. That doesn't sound like much fun. 3 days after surgery, it no
longer hurts when I look at bright house lights. However, I haven't
tried full sunlight yet. I live in the deep dark forest which helps.
Double vision and my ability to focus properly are changing (for the
better) which is good. Everything that was giving me problems prior
to surgery is slowly returning to normal. I haven't tried driving or
full sunlight yet. I'll know more in a few days.
"10 Cataract Surgery Side Effects, and How to Cope" ><https://www.aao.org/eye-health/tips-prevention/side-effects-cataract-surgery-complications-cope>
"Light sensitivity after cataract surgery.
Sometimes, you may need to wear sunglasses for a few months until
iritis goes away. Most often it is caused by a "rebound" as you taper
off your anti-inflammatory drops."
Months? Argh.
We'll soon see if my luck holds. Thanks for the warning.
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