Riding the wrong way, on a sidewalk, gets hit by a semi.
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When it came up to a vote at our city council, to raise the
age where riding on the sidewalk is legal from 9 to 12, we
had an LAB instructor explain the dangers, to no avail. The
change passed 3-2.
One of our neighboring cities completely ban riding on the
sidewalk. Two of our neighboring cities have no restriction
at all. Two of our neighboring cities are 12 and under.
On Saturday, December 23, 2023 at 11:10:23?AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
Riding the wrong way, on a sidewalk, gets hit by a semi.
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When it came up to a vote at our city council, to raise the age where
riding on the sidewalk is legal from 9 to 12, we had an LAB instructor
explain the dangers, to no avail. The change passed 3-2.
One of our neighboring cities completely ban riding on the sidewalk. Two
of our neighboring cities have no restriction at all. Two of our
neighboring cities are 12 and under.
That guy was so lucky, I sure hopes he understands what he did wrong.
Riding the wrong way, on a sidewalk, gets hit by a semi.
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When it came up to a vote at our city council, to raise the age where
riding on the sidewalk is legal from 9 to 12, we had an LAB instructor >explain the dangers, to no avail. The change passed 3-2.
One of our neighboring cities completely ban riding on the sidewalk. Two
of our neighboring cities have no restriction at all. Two of our
neighboring cities are 12 and under.
On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 15:33:46 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 11:46:21 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, December 23, 2023 at 11:10:23?AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
Riding the wrong way, on a sidewalk, gets hit by a semi.
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When it came up to a vote at our city council, to raise the age where
riding on the sidewalk is legal from 9 to 12, we had an LAB instructor >>>> explain the dangers, to no avail. The change passed 3-2.
One of our neighboring cities completely ban riding on the sidewalk. Two >>>> of our neighboring cities have no restriction at all. Two of our
neighboring cities are 12 and under.
That guy was so lucky, I sure hopes he understands what he did wrong.
Not watching where you're going is usually always wrong.
That is what makes me wonder about so many "accidents". The truck is a
pretty large object moving in a direction that appears to cross the
path the bicycle is on and I see no apparent effort on the part of the >bicycle to stop or avoid the truck.
On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 18:35:05 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:28:01 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 15:33:46 -0500, Catrike Ryder >>><Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 11:46:21 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich >>>><cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, December 23, 2023 at 11:10:23?AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
Riding the wrong way, on a sidewalk, gets hit by a semi.
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When it came up to a vote at our city council, to raise the age where >>>>>> riding on the sidewalk is legal from 9 to 12, we had an LAB instructor >>>>>> explain the dangers, to no avail. The change passed 3-2.
One of our neighboring cities completely ban riding on the sidewalk. Two >>>>>> of our neighboring cities have no restriction at all. Two of our
neighboring cities are 12 and under.
That guy was so lucky, I sure hopes he understands what he did wrong.
Not watching where you're going is usually always wrong.
That is what makes me wonder about so many "accidents". The truck is a >>>pretty large object moving in a direction that appears to cross the
path the bicycle is on and I see no apparent effort on the part of the >>>bicycle to stop or avoid the truck.
What kind of a fool would ride his bike in front of a big truck
waiting to pull out in front of where he's going to ride?
Well :-) the you tube shows a bloke doing just that :-)
Apparent the battle cry, "I Gotta Right", includes the right to be a
fool :-)
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 04:53:21 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 07:30:47 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 18:35:05 -0500, Catrike Ryder >>><Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:28:01 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 15:33:46 -0500, Catrike Ryder >>>>><Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 11:46:21 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich >>>>>><cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, December 23, 2023 at 11:10:23?AM UTC-8, sms wrote:Not watching where you're going is usually always wrong.
Riding the wrong way, on a sidewalk, gets hit by a semi.
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When it came up to a vote at our city council, to raise the age where >>>>>>>> riding on the sidewalk is legal from 9 to 12, we had an LAB instructor >>>>>>>> explain the dangers, to no avail. The change passed 3-2.
One of our neighboring cities completely ban riding on the sidewalk. Two
of our neighboring cities have no restriction at all. Two of our >>>>>>>> neighboring cities are 12 and under.
That guy was so lucky, I sure hopes he understands what he did wrong. >>>>>>
That is what makes me wonder about so many "accidents". The truck is a >>>>>pretty large object moving in a direction that appears to cross the >>>>>path the bicycle is on and I see no apparent effort on the part of the >>>>>bicycle to stop or avoid the truck.
What kind of a fool would ride his bike in front of a big truck
waiting to pull out in front of where he's going to ride?
Well :-) the you tube shows a bloke doing just that :-)
Apparent the battle cry, "I Gotta Right", includes the right to be a
fool :-)
I've ridden "side paths," similar to that sidewalk, but designated as >>bicycle facilities and have never had any problems riding against
traffic in the nearest lane. On the other hand, I have had a few
problems riding the same way as the traffic in the nearest lane.
So obviously, I much prefer riding against the nearby traffic so I can
see potential problems in front of me rather than have them coming up >>behind me.
There are, of course, alternatives for those who are fearful of riding
like I ride.
I've always ridden on the "right" side of the road, but I do keep a
sharp lockout for what is happening around me.
(right as in correct :-)
On 12/23/2023 5:30 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Some states consider bicycles to be vehicles which are
banned from
riding/driving on sidewalks. However, they then make
exceptions for
cyclists. .
Last I checked, about half the states declared bicycles to
legally be vehicles. The other half says bike riders have
all the rights and responsibilities of vehicle operators,
which is almost the same. If there are exceptions to those
two versions, I haven't heard of them.
But some laws are written to apply to "motor vehicles."
That's normally done when lawmakers don't want a law to
apply to bicycles.
And while I'm not positive, ISTR that the e-bike industry,
plus a segment of the environmental movement, successfully
lobbied to have e-bikes treated the same as ordinary
bicycles, not motor vehicles. Even though they clearly have
motors. Go figure.
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 18:20:40 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 04:53:21 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 07:30:47 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 18:35:05 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:28:01 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 15:33:46 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 11:46:21 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, December 23, 2023 at 11:10:23?AM UTC-8, sms wrote: >>>>>>>>> Riding the wrong way, on a sidewalk, gets hit by a semi.Not watching where you're going is usually always wrong.
<https://packaged-media.redd.it/ljb3uobq0y7c1/pb/m2-res_480p.mp4?m=DASHPlaylist.mpd&v=1&e=1703365200&s=00ebdd1145dcf913c0152fe657a6ec47d6e36e57#t=0>
When it came up to a vote at our city council, to raise the age where >>>>>>>>> riding on the sidewalk is legal from 9 to 12, we had an LAB instructor
explain the dangers, to no avail. The change passed 3-2.
One of our neighboring cities completely ban riding on the sidewalk. Two
of our neighboring cities have no restriction at all. Two of our >>>>>>>>> neighboring cities are 12 and under.
That guy was so lucky, I sure hopes he understands what he did wrong. >>>>>>>
That is what makes me wonder about so many "accidents". The truck is a >>>>>> pretty large object moving in a direction that appears to cross the >>>>>> path the bicycle is on and I see no apparent effort on the part of the >>>>>> bicycle to stop or avoid the truck.
What kind of a fool would ride his bike in front of a big truck
waiting to pull out in front of where he's going to ride?
Well :-) the you tube shows a bloke doing just that :-)
Apparent the battle cry, "I Gotta Right", includes the right to be a
fool :-)
I've ridden "side paths," similar to that sidewalk, but designated as
bicycle facilities and have never had any problems riding against
traffic in the nearest lane. On the other hand, I have had a few
problems riding the same way as the traffic in the nearest lane.
So obviously, I much prefer riding against the nearby traffic so I can
see potential problems in front of me rather than have them coming up
behind me.
There are, of course, alternatives for those who are fearful of riding
like I ride.
I've always ridden on the "right" side of the road, but I do keep a
sharp lockout for what is happening around me.
(right as in correct :-)
When I ride *on* a road, I always ride the same direction as the
vehicle traffic.
On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 8:04:22 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/23/2023 7:38 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/23/2023 5:30 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:To quote the great philosopher Tom Waits,"The large print
Some states consider bicycles to be vehicles which are
banned from
riding/driving on sidewalks. However, they then make
exceptions for
cyclists. .
Last I checked, about half the states declared bicycles to
legally be vehicles. The other half says bike riders have
all the rights and responsibilities of vehicle operators,
which is almost the same. If there are exceptions to those
two versions, I haven't heard of them.
But some laws are written to apply to "motor vehicles."
That's normally done when lawmakers don't want a law to
apply to bicycles.
And while I'm not positive, ISTR that the e-bike industry,
plus a segment of the environmental movement, successfully
lobbied to have e-bikes treated the same as ordinary
bicycles, not motor vehicles. Even though they clearly have
motors. Go figure.
giveth, the small print taketh away."
As with the Illinois tort resolution recently discussed, the
nice boilerplate Statute (I assume from a model code as
States are remarkably similar in that regard) gets twisted
around unrecognizably under other laws and ordinances.
Not all that different from the aspirational 2d Amendment in
clear concise absolutes, which cannot square with the
Firearms Act of 1936, 1968 et seq. You can have your
opinions about net effect in any of those examples, or
others (which is the necessary essence of healthy political
friction) but the overarching rule and its applications are
very different in any event.
My opinion is clear, the 2nd Amendment was written to protect the people from the government and ANYONE that in any manner attempts to limit it other than as it was for fully automatic weapons should simply be hung.
On 12/24/2023 5:34 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 18:20:40 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 04:53:21 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 07:30:47 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 18:35:05 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:28:01 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 15:33:46 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 11:46:21 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, December 23, 2023 at 11:10:23?AM UTC-8, sms wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Riding the wrong way, on a sidewalk, gets hit by a semi.Not watching where you're going is usually always wrong.
<https://packaged-media.redd.it/ljb3uobq0y7c1/pb/m2-res_480p.mp4?m=DASHPlaylist.mpd&v=1&e=1703365200&s=00ebdd1145dcf913c0152fe657a6ec47d6e36e57#t=0>
When it came up to a vote at our city council, to raise the age where
riding on the sidewalk is legal from 9 to 12, we had an LAB instructor
explain the dangers, to no avail. The change passed 3-2.
One of our neighboring cities completely ban riding on the sidewalk. Two
of our neighboring cities have no restriction at all. Two of our >>>>>>>>>> neighboring cities are 12 and under.
That guy was so lucky, I sure hopes he understands what he did wrong. >>>>>>>>
That is what makes me wonder about so many "accidents". The truck is a >>>>>>> pretty large object moving in a direction that appears to cross the >>>>>>> path the bicycle is on and I see no apparent effort on the part of the >>>>>>> bicycle to stop or avoid the truck.
What kind of a fool would ride his bike in front of a big truck
waiting to pull out in front of where he's going to ride?
Well :-) the you tube shows a bloke doing just that :-)
Apparent the battle cry, "I Gotta Right", includes the right to be a >>>>> fool :-)
I've ridden "side paths," similar to that sidewalk, but designated as
bicycle facilities and have never had any problems riding against
traffic in the nearest lane. On the other hand, I have had a few
problems riding the same way as the traffic in the nearest lane.
So obviously, I much prefer riding against the nearby traffic so I can >>>> see potential problems in front of me rather than have them coming up
behind me.
There are, of course, alternatives for those who are fearful of riding >>>> like I ride.
I've always ridden on the "right" side of the road, but I do keep a
sharp lockout for what is happening around me.
(right as in correct :-)
When I ride *on* a road, I always ride the same direction as the
vehicle traffic.
+1
good habits got you all the way to old age!
On 12/25/2023 2:50 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:a 105 mm cannon? A "Tommy gun" is .45 caliber. The recoil from that is so strong that the barrel can not be aimed but instead is a wild spray unless you have been trained and have a lot of body mass to control the recoil. The Armed Forces found very much
On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 8:43:08?AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/24/2023 10:12 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 8:04:22?AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:You just joined them by exempting some weapons from 'shall
On 12/23/2023 7:38 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:My opinion is clear, the 2nd Amendment was written to protect the people from the government and ANYONE that in any manner attempts to limit it other than as it was for fully automatic weapons should simply be hung.
On 12/23/2023 5:30 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:To quote the great philosopher Tom Waits,"The large print
Some states consider bicycles to be vehicles which are
banned from
riding/driving on sidewalks. However, they then make
exceptions for
cyclists. .
Last I checked, about half the states declared bicycles to
legally be vehicles. The other half says bike riders have
all the rights and responsibilities of vehicle operators,
which is almost the same. If there are exceptions to those
two versions, I haven't heard of them.
But some laws are written to apply to "motor vehicles."
That's normally done when lawmakers don't want a law to
apply to bicycles.
And while I'm not positive, ISTR that the e-bike industry,
plus a segment of the environmental movement, successfully
lobbied to have e-bikes treated the same as ordinary
bicycles, not motor vehicles. Even though they clearly have
motors. Go figure.
giveth, the small print taketh away."
As with the Illinois tort resolution recently discussed, the
nice boilerplate Statute (I assume from a model code as
States are remarkably similar in that regard) gets twisted
around unrecognizably under other laws and ordinances.
Not all that different from the aspirational 2d Amendment in
clear concise absolutes, which cannot square with the
Firearms Act of 1936, 1968 et seq. You can have your
opinions about net effect in any of those examples, or
others (which is the necessary essence of healthy political
friction) but the overarching rule and its applications are
very different in any event.
not be infringed'.
I don't want to argue the particulars of that here and now.
But I do note that as with 'bicycles are vehicles for other
purposes on public roads' the general rule and the
application are different.
--
Andrew Muzi
a...@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Not at all, armor piercing bullets and fully automatic weapons' cannot be controlled by the average person. That is entirely different than "gun control" like Frank pictures it. Would you believe it to be "gun control" if you could not own and operate
takes to pull the trigger and release it.Magnum. I did a lot of shooting before my concussion and saw how difficult it is to control extremely powerful guns that are supposed to be used for self and home defense. Do you think that you should be allowed armor piecing rounds that go right through
Do you think that it is gun control to prevent people from owning armor piercing rounds that can go right through the intended target, then 5 walls in your house and hit someone completely invisible? This is why my home guns are .38's and not .357
side. In which case, the civilians would still outnumber the government forces. The arguments for and against the 2nd amendment are written by firearm advocates or those who hold guns as potential mass murders. Frank for instance. Google's first argument
All of this means that there are NO absolutes. You cannot own a Patton Tank. That does not interfere with your right for self defense.
And in case you think that the Government has the Army, it is a federal crime to use the standing professional Army against Americans. And giving them orders to fire upon civilians to disarm them would end up with half of the army taking the other
For purposes of analyzing the argument, same thing.
'Bicycles are same as other vehicles' except you can't ride
here, you can't ride there and, oh, use this bidirectional
chute along the roadway.
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 14:24:52 -0500, Catrike Ryderoperate a 105 mm cannon? A "Tommy gun" is .45 caliber. The recoil from that is so strong that the barrel can not be aimed but instead is a wild spray unless you have been trained and have a lot of body mass to control the recoil. The Armed Forces found
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 09:01:04 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 12/25/2023 2:50 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 8:43:08?AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/24/2023 10:12 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 8:04:22?AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:You just joined them by exempting some weapons from 'shall
On 12/23/2023 7:38 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:My opinion is clear, the 2nd Amendment was written to protect the people from the government and ANYONE that in any manner attempts to limit it other than as it was for fully automatic weapons should simply be hung.
On 12/23/2023 5:30 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:To quote the great philosopher Tom Waits,"The large print
Some states consider bicycles to be vehicles which are
banned from
riding/driving on sidewalks. However, they then make
exceptions for
cyclists. .
Last I checked, about half the states declared bicycles to
legally be vehicles. The other half says bike riders have
all the rights and responsibilities of vehicle operators,
which is almost the same. If there are exceptions to those
two versions, I haven't heard of them.
But some laws are written to apply to "motor vehicles."
That's normally done when lawmakers don't want a law to
apply to bicycles.
And while I'm not positive, ISTR that the e-bike industry,
plus a segment of the environmental movement, successfully
lobbied to have e-bikes treated the same as ordinary
bicycles, not motor vehicles. Even though they clearly have
motors. Go figure.
giveth, the small print taketh away."
As with the Illinois tort resolution recently discussed, the
nice boilerplate Statute (I assume from a model code as
States are remarkably similar in that regard) gets twisted
around unrecognizably under other laws and ordinances.
Not all that different from the aspirational 2d Amendment in
clear concise absolutes, which cannot square with the
Firearms Act of 1936, 1968 et seq. You can have your
opinions about net effect in any of those examples, or
others (which is the necessary essence of healthy political
friction) but the overarching rule and its applications are
very different in any event.
not be infringed'.
I don't want to argue the particulars of that here and now.
But I do note that as with 'bicycles are vehicles for other
purposes on public roads' the general rule and the
application are different.
--
Andrew Muzi
a...@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Not at all, armor piercing bullets and fully automatic weapons' cannot be controlled by the average person. That is entirely different than "gun control" like Frank pictures it. Would you believe it to be "gun control" if you could not own and
Magnum. I did a lot of shooting before my concussion and saw how difficult it is to control extremely powerful guns that are supposed to be used for self and home defense. Do you think that you should be allowed armor piecing rounds that go right throughit
takes to pull the trigger and release it.
Do you think that it is gun control to prevent people from owning armor piercing rounds that can go right through the intended target, then 5 walls in your house and hit someone completely invisible? This is why my home guns are .38's and not .357
side. In which case, the civilians would still outnumber the government forces. The arguments for and against the 2nd amendment are written by firearm advocates or those who hold guns as potential mass murders. Frank for instance. Google's first argument
All of this means that there are NO absolutes. You cannot own a Patton Tank. That does not interfere with your right for self defense.
And in case you think that the Government has the Army, it is a federal crime to use the standing professional Army against Americans. And giving them orders to fire upon civilians to disarm them would end up with half of the army taking the other
For purposes of analyzing the argument, same thing.
'Bicycles are same as other vehicles' except you can't ride
here, you can't ride there and, oh, use this bidirectional
chute along the roadway.
I'm not sure how a 15MPH bicycle would fare on an 70-80 MPH limited
access highway, which is why I ride on a bicycle trail parallel to the >>Suncoast highway and 30/40 feet away from it.
Well :-) I rode on a highway where the speed limit was 100 kph on the
outer lane and 120 kph on the inner lane. With no problems at all.
Certainly a paltry 62 - 74 mph, but still :-)
On 12/26/2023 10:01 AM, AMuzi wrote:
'Bicycles are same as other vehicles' except you can't ride here, you
can't ride there and, oh, use this bidirectional chute along the roadway.
Ohio law prohibits, um, prohibiting bicyclists from using ordinary >non-limited-access roads. And bike lanes or paths cannot be made mandatory.
Of course there are those who want to change that. But we're OK so far.
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