It has been passed along to me that Flunky or whatever pseudonym he is posting under today, claims that I said that unicrown forks collapse.short head tube.
With the usual and distortions I'm sure that everyone one has recognized this as the BS lying he is so well know for. I even mentioned that picture of that
fork on his Bontrager appeared to have more clearance than a normal road bike m thus nullifying my warning about unicrown forks. This is because Bontrager apparently specifically built that bike to avoid the weakness of unicrown forks by using a
It must put Flunky in a terrible position when he has no argument so he has to make one up by lying. As if this wasn't his modus operandi.
I could go on, and on, and on, with your lies, distortions,
and bullshit, but everyone who reads this forum is fully
aware of your penchant for all three, including things like
there was no recession before obama took office, the US
never bombed cambodia, PWM is used to test cables, etc,
etc...
On 12/24/2023 1:11 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 6:39:47 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>> On 12/23/2023 8:55 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Most vegetarians I know are vegetarians because they oppose against... I haven't eaten anythingOn dietary restrictions: A woman who's a dear friend of mine has been
today and I'm looking forward to a non-Kosher treif (Yiddish) or
trefah (Hebrew) dinner. Probably a Romaine salad with some bacon and
cheese bits:
"Why Separating Meat and Dairy is Part of Keeping Kosher"
<https://www.exploringjudaism.org/every-day/kashrut/what-is-kashrut/why-separating-meat-and-dairy-is-part-of-keeping-kosher/>
vegetarian since her teens, even though her husband is a dedicated
carnivore. She's not of any particular religious faith, so that's not a
motivation as it is with some. IIRC, she has said she just doesn't like
meat.
BUT: When at a dinner gathering in someone's home, when she'll eat only
vegetables and such, she always asks that the serving utensils she uses
to serve herself be separate from the utensils used for the dishes
containing meat. Apparently she doesn't want to ingest a molecule of meat. >>>
Her behavior seems way beyond a "don't like" preference. And I guess
this behavior is fairly common among vegetarians, even those who are
atheists.
It strikes me as very closely parallel to some kosher regulations.
-- - Frank Krygowski
the way how the meat is produced not out of some kind of religion. I
can understand that.
I know a couple who made that same choice based on environmental
grounds. The choice if fine with me, whatever the motivation, although
I do eat meat.
But "not one molecule of meat on the spoon" still seems a bit weird
and illogical to me. It seems quasi-religious, but (usually) without
any theological justification.
On 12/23/2023 8:55 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
... I haven't eaten anything
today and I'm looking forward to a non-Kosher treif (Yiddish) or
trefah (Hebrew) dinner. Probably a Romaine salad with some bacon and
cheese bits:
"Why Separating Meat and Dairy is Part of Keeping Kosher"
<https://www.exploringjudaism.org/every-day/kashrut/what-is-kashrut/why-separating-meat-and-dairy-is-part-of-keeping-kosher/>
On dietary restrictions: A woman who's a dear friend of mine has been >vegetarian since her teens, even though her husband is a dedicated
carnivore. She's not of any particular religious faith, so that's not a >motivation as it is with some. IIRC, she has said she just doesn't like
meat.
BUT: When at a dinner gathering in someone's home, when she'll eat only >vegetables and such, she always asks that the serving utensils she uses
to serve herself be separate from the utensils used for the dishes
containing meat. Apparently she doesn't want to ingest a molecule of meat.
Her behavior seems way beyond a "don't like" preference. And I guess
this behavior is fairly common among vegetarians, even those who are >atheists.
It strikes me as very closely parallel to some kosher regulations.
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 12:39:40 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 12/23/2023 8:55 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
... I haven't eaten anything
today and I'm looking forward to a non-Kosher treif (Yiddish) or
trefah (Hebrew) dinner. Probably a Romaine salad with some bacon and
cheese bits:
"Why Separating Meat and Dairy is Part of Keeping Kosher"
<https://www.exploringjudaism.org/every-day/kashrut/what-is-kashrut/why-separating-meat-and-dairy-is-part-of-keeping-kosher/>
On dietary restrictions: A woman who's a dear friend of mine has been
vegetarian since her teens, even though her husband is a dedicated
carnivore. She's not of any particular religious faith, so that's not a
motivation as it is with some. IIRC, she has said she just doesn't like
meat.
BUT: When at a dinner gathering in someone's home, when she'll eat only
vegetables and such, she always asks that the serving utensils she uses
to serve herself be separate from the utensils used for the dishes
containing meat. Apparently she doesn't want to ingest a molecule of meat. >>
Her behavior seems way beyond a "don't like" preference. And I guess
this behavior is fairly common among vegetarians, even those who are
atheists.
It strikes me as very closely parallel to some kosher regulations.
Kinda reminds me of my early aversion to eating Jell-o. My logic was
that Jell-o wiggles and moves. Anything that does that must be alive
and I didn't want to eat anything that was still alive.
Kosher was an early attempt at sanitation and avoiding parasitic
infections. In biblical times, due to a shortage of microscopes, this
was done by observation. It didn't take much for an observant
individual to notice that those who ate pig meat soon developed
trichinosis (roundworm): <https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/trichinosis/symptoms-causes/syc-20378583>
Since no cures for trichinosis was available, the best solution was
simply to not eat pig meat.
The biblical Hebrews also suffered from a shortage of thermometers and therefore did not notice that cooking pig meat above 160 F (71 C)
would kill the roundworms. Rather than risk infection, they banned
all forms of pig meat instead of banning just undercooked pig meat.
That was the correct policy as even today, there are problems with
parasites due to the uneven heating found in microwave ovens.
In the 1960's it was fashionable to be a vegetarian. So, I decided to
be a fashionable teenager and join the thundering herd of vegetarians.
Living on a strict vegetarian diet was easy and financially beneficial because meat was fairly expensive. Just one problem. I became rather
sick and fairly weak after about 6 months. The doctors couldn't find
a caused. Finally, one doctor suggested I give up the vegetarian
diet. My condition improved immediately and after a brief backslide
as my digestive tract familiarized itself with processed foods and
chemical additives, I was back to normal in about a month.
Two of my friends have been vegan and vegetarian for at least 40
years. Before restaurant prices went through the roof, we would have
meals at some of the local restaurants and diners. They would eat
mostly vegan or vegetarian, while I would act the part of cannibal. Of course, I had to endure endless criticism about my lifestyle and
dietary choices. The word "mostly" is important, because they both
were sneaking in non-vegetarian items. Apparently, it was acceptable
to temporarily break a vegetarian diet as long as the meal was
attended by a non-vegetarian. I suspected that asking for
clarification was not acceptable behavior, so I remain mystified by
this odd dietary protocol. Since then, I've noticed that other
vegetarians sometimes sneak in an occasional banned items.
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 16:38:58 -0500, Radey Shouman
<shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:
On 12/24/2023 1:11 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 6:39:47?PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>> On 12/23/2023 8:55 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Most vegetarians I know are vegetarians because they oppose against... I haven't eaten anythingOn dietary restrictions: A woman who's a dear friend of mine has been >>>>> vegetarian since her teens, even though her husband is a dedicated
today and I'm looking forward to a non-Kosher treif (Yiddish) or
trefah (Hebrew) dinner. Probably a Romaine salad with some bacon and >>>>>> cheese bits:
"Why Separating Meat and Dairy is Part of Keeping Kosher"
<https://www.exploringjudaism.org/every-day/kashrut/what-is-kashrut/why-separating-meat-and-dairy-is-part-of-keeping-kosher/>
carnivore. She's not of any particular religious faith, so that's not a >>>>> motivation as it is with some. IIRC, she has said she just doesn't like >>>>> meat.
BUT: When at a dinner gathering in someone's home, when she'll eat only >>>>> vegetables and such, she always asks that the serving utensils she uses >>>>> to serve herself be separate from the utensils used for the dishes
containing meat. Apparently she doesn't want to ingest a molecule of meat.
Her behavior seems way beyond a "don't like" preference. And I guess >>>>> this behavior is fairly common among vegetarians, even those who are >>>>> atheists.
It strikes me as very closely parallel to some kosher regulations.
-- - Frank Krygowski
the way how the meat is produced not out of some kind of religion. I
can understand that.
I know a couple who made that same choice based on environmental
grounds. The choice if fine with me, whatever the motivation, although
I do eat meat.
But "not one molecule of meat on the spoon" still seems a bit weird
and illogical to me. It seems quasi-religious, but (usually) without
any theological justification.
If you were at a dinner where cat meat was being served. Would you
partake? If not, would you want whatever you were eating served with
the cat meat utensils?
Apparently meat from carnivorous animals doesn't taste good. How about
horse meat?
Well, to throw a little religion into the conversation, if God created
man then he was created, based on tooth structure, to be omnivorous.
Kosher was an early attempt at sanitation and avoiding parasitic
infections. In biblical times, due to a shortage of microscopes, this
was done by observation. It didn't take much for an observant
individual to notice that those who ate pig meat soon developed
trichinosis (roundworm):
<https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/trichinosis/symptoms-causes/syc-20378583>
Since no cures for trichinosis was available, the best solution was
simply to not eat pig meat.
The biblical Hebrews also suffered from a shortage of thermometers and
therefore did not notice that cooking pig meat above 160 F (71 C)
would kill the roundworms. Rather than risk infection, they banned
all forms of pig meat instead of banning just undercooked pig meat.
That was the correct policy as even today, there are problems with
parasites due to the uneven heating found in microwave ovens.
Plenty of wildlife in human comestibles then besides
trichina worms:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/ancient-toilet-unearthed-in-jerusalem-shows-elite-were-plagued-by-intestinal-worms-180979436/
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 16:01:56 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>(chomp)
wrote:
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 06:19:07 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
Well, to throw a little religion into the conversation, if God created >>>man then he was created, based on tooth structure, to be omnivorous.
So, please don't get hung up on analyzing mans tooth structure. There
are plenty other things about man that could immediate improvement.
Ah but the reference to the biologist and gene splicer isn't logical
as before you can have the biologist you must have the man :-)
And as for the lousy design? The dominant species in the world is a
lousy design?
But "not one molecule of meat on the spoon" still seems a bit weird and illogical to me. It seems quasi-religious, but (usually) without any theological justification.
On 12/24/2023 8:25 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
[1] I once worked in a mortuary as an "assistant embalmer" also known
as a floor sweeper.
OK, I'm betting you and I are the only two here who have watched an
embalming first hand.
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 13:20:41 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
But "not one molecule of meat on the spoon" still seems a bit weird and
illogical to me. It seems quasi-religious, but (usually) without any
theological justification.
How do you feel about eating a stew cooked in a scrupulously-cleaned
chamber pot?
On 12/24/2023 4:29 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Kosher was an early attempt at sanitation and avoiding parasitic
infections. In biblical times, due to a shortage of microscopes, this
was done by observation. It didn't take much for an observant
individual to notice that those who ate pig meat soon developed
trichinosis (roundworm):
<https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/trichinosis/symptoms-causes/syc-20378583>
Since no cures for trichinosis was available, the best solution was
simply to not eat pig meat.
The biblical Hebrews also suffered from a shortage of thermometers and
therefore did not notice that cooking pig meat above 160 F (71 C)
would kill the roundworms. Rather than risk infection, they banned
all forms of pig meat...
I've heard and thought of that, of course. But ISTR in reading about
Judaism (maybe _Jewish Literacy_ by Telushkin?) a claim that the
trichinosis motivation was absolutely untrue; that instead the pork >prohibition was simply due to a commandment by the Almighty.
Hard to know at this point!
On 12/24/2023 4:38 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:
I know a couple who made that [vegetarian] choice based on environmental >>> grounds. The choice if fine with me, whatever the motivation, although
I do eat meat.
But "not one molecule of meat on the spoon" still seems a bit weird
and illogical to me. It seems quasi-religious, but (usually) without
any theological justification.
If you were at a dinner where cat meat was being served. Would you
partake?
Hmm. Depends on context, I suppose. It seems an unlikely situation,
unless we were in some starvation event.
If not, would you want whatever you were eating served with
the cat meat utensils?
Honestly, I think I'd be fine with wiping down the utensil. Or
probably less.
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