I took the Serotta into the sand blaster today and dug the Pinarello aluminum fork out of the storage area. So the plan is to pick it up tomorrow or Friday and then to prime and paint it blue. The headset is on its way and most of the Dura Ace group are
here including the wheels with the 11-36 cassette, the XTR long arm derailleur to shift that cassette, the 6800 levers that I mounted on the bars yesterday, the Dura Ace brakes, the FSA Team Issue crankset and the saddle and seatpost.

Andrew said that the Shimano shift cables had a larger end on them than the Campagnolo but I looked pretty closely and they sure look the same size to me. Of course looking and fitting are two different things but I'm pretty certain that the cheap
Chinese shift cables will work without any troubles. More than half of the 50 of them I bought do not have any mold marks on them and are perfectly round but I will experiment.

Without Campy selling 12 speed reels I think I will return to Shimano. the 10 speed group can be extended to wide ratios with the Deore rear derailleurs and you can get away very cheap. Plus you don't spend half of your time shifting over gears that a
normal rider never uses. Come on now, who uses an 11,12,13,14,15,16,17? That is 7 gears so closely spaced that you need to shift 3 gears to tell you've shifted at all.

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On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 7:53:13 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:

I took the Serotta into the sand blaster today and dug the Pinarello aluminum fork out of the storage area. So the plan is to pick it up tomorrow or Friday and then to prime and paint it blue. The headset is on its way and most of the Dura Ace group

are here including the wheels with the 11-36 cassette, the XTR long arm derailleur to shift that cassette, the 6800 levers that I mounted on the bars yesterday, the Dura Ace brakes, the FSA Team Issue crankset and the saddle and seatpost.

Andrew said that the Shimano shift cables had a larger end on them than the Campagnolo but I looked pretty closely and they sure look the same size to me. Of course looking and fitting are two different things but I'm pretty certain that the cheap

Chinese shift cables will work without any troubles. More than half of the 50 of them I bought do not have any mold marks on them and are perfectly round but I will experiment.

Without Campy selling 12 speed reels I think I will return to Shimano. the 10 speed group can be extended to wide ratios with the Deore rear derailleurs and you can get away very cheap. Plus you don't spend half of your time shifting over gears that a

normal rider never uses. Come on now, who uses an 11,12,13,14,15,16,17? That is 7 gears so closely spaced that you need to shift 3 gears to tell you've shifted at all.

You can keep the 11 and 12 but the rest yes please. Today I was on my cross bike on the road because it was already dirty from last Sunday and it was wet snow conditions at 2 C. I have a 11 speed 11-32 cassette on that bike because I need the range off
road but on the road today I could exactly tell when there was a 2 tooth jump when I shifted.

Lou

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On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 2:03:54 p.m. UTC-6, Lou Holtman wrote:

On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 7:53:13 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:

I took the Serotta into the sand blaster today and dug the Pinarello aluminum fork out of the storage area. So the plan is to pick it up tomorrow or Friday and then to prime and paint it blue. The headset is on its way and most of the Dura Ace group

are here including the wheels with the 11-36 cassette, the XTR long arm derailleur to shift that cassette, the 6800 levers that I mounted on the bars yesterday, the Dura Ace brakes, the FSA Team Issue crankset and the saddle and seatpost.

Andrew said that the Shimano shift cables had a larger end on them than the Campagnolo but I looked pretty closely and they sure look the same size to me. Of course looking and fitting are two different things but I'm pretty certain that the cheap

Chinese shift cables will work without any troubles. More than half of the 50 of them I bought do not have any mold marks on them and are perfectly round but I will experiment.

Without Campy selling 12 speed reels I think I will return to Shimano. the 10 speed group can be extended to wide ratios with the Deore rear derailleurs and you can get away very cheap. Plus you don't spend half of your time shifting over gears that

a normal rider never uses. Come on now, who uses an 11,12,13,14,15,16,17? That is 7 gears so closely spaced that you need to shift 3 gears to tell you've shifted at all.

You can keep the 11 and 12 but the rest yes please. Today I was on my cross bike on the road because it was already dirty from last Sunday and it was wet snow conditions at 2 C. I have a 11 speed 11-32 cassette on that bike because I need the range off

road but on the road today I could exactly tell when there was a 2 tooth jump when I shifted.

Lou

I have an unusual custom 9-speed corncob cassette on one of my MTBs. Thar corncob is 11 - 19 coupled with a triple crankset. I love that cassette on gently rolling hills with pave surfaces. I can tell the difference whenever I shift one gear in the back.
It allows me to keep my cadence at the most effective for ME>

OMMV

Cheers

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On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 12:03:54 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:

On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 7:53:13 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:

I took the Serotta into the sand blaster today and dug the Pinarello aluminum fork out of the storage area. So the plan is to pick it up tomorrow or Friday and then to prime and paint it blue. The headset is on its way and most of the Dura Ace group

are here including the wheels with the 11-36 cassette, the XTR long arm derailleur to shift that cassette, the 6800 levers that I mounted on the bars yesterday, the Dura Ace brakes, the FSA Team Issue crankset and the saddle and seatpost.

Andrew said that the Shimano shift cables had a larger end on them than the Campagnolo but I looked pretty closely and they sure look the same size to me. Of course looking and fitting are two different things but I'm pretty certain that the cheap

Chinese shift cables will work without any troubles. More than half of the 50 of them I bought do not have any mold marks on them and are perfectly round but I will experiment.

Without Campy selling 12 speed reels I think I will return to Shimano. the 10 speed group can be extended to wide ratios with the Deore rear derailleurs and you can get away very cheap. Plus you don't spend half of your time shifting over gears that

a normal rider never uses. Come on now, who uses an 11,12,13,14,15,16,17? That is 7 gears so closely spaced that you need to shift 3 gears to tell you've shifted at all.

You can keep the 11 and 12 but the rest yes please. Today I was on my cross bike on the road because it was already dirty from last Sunday and it was wet snow conditions at 2 C. I have a 11 speed 11-32 cassette on that bike because I need the range off

road but on the road today I could exactly tell when there was a 2 tooth jump when I shifted.

Lou

I think that telling a 2 tooth jump is missing the point - it ADDS no speed to have 4 or 5 years that are one tooth apart. Being able to tell a 2 tooth jump doesn't mean that it slows you down. A 13 to 15 change is no more than the NORMAL power levels of
your legs.

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On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 12:20:13 AM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 12:03:54 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:

On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 7:53:13 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:

I took the Serotta into the sand blaster today and dug the Pinarello aluminum fork out of the storage area. So the plan is to pick it up tomorrow or Friday and then to prime and paint it blue. The headset is on its way and most of the Dura Ace

group are here including the wheels with the 11-36 cassette, the XTR long arm derailleur to shift that cassette, the 6800 levers that I mounted on the bars yesterday, the Dura Ace brakes, the FSA Team Issue crankset and the saddle and seatpost.

Andrew said that the Shimano shift cables had a larger end on them than the Campagnolo but I looked pretty closely and they sure look the same size to me. Of course looking and fitting are two different things but I'm pretty certain that the cheap

Chinese shift cables will work without any troubles. More than half of the 50 of them I bought do not have any mold marks on them and are perfectly round but I will experiment.

Without Campy selling 12 speed reels I think I will return to Shimano. the 10 speed group can be extended to wide ratios with the Deore rear derailleurs and you can get away very cheap. Plus you don't spend half of your time shifting over gears

that a normal rider never uses. Come on now, who uses an 11,12,13,14,15,16,17? That is 7 gears so closely spaced that you need to shift 3 gears to tell you've shifted at all.

You can keep the 11 and 12 but the rest yes please. Today I was on my cross bike on the road because it was already dirty from last Sunday and it was wet snow conditions at 2 C. I have a 11 speed 11-32 cassette on that bike because I need the range

off road but on the road today I could exactly tell when there was a 2 tooth jump when I shifted.

Lou

I think that telling a 2 tooth jump is missing the point - it ADDS no speed to have 4 or 5 years that are one tooth apart. Being able to tell a 2 tooth jump doesn't mean that it slows you down. A 13 to 15 change is no more than the NORMAL power levels

of your legs.


I missing the point of the benefits of 1 tooth jumps between gears? A jump from 13T to 15T is a 15% jump and in my world large, a jump from 30T to 34T is a 13% jump. Think in percentage and come back. Power levels of your legs stays the same. It is about
comfort and efficiency (getting tired sooner)

Lou

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On 11/30/2023 5:01 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 1:53:13 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:

I took the Serotta into the sand blaster today and dug the Pinarello aluminum fork out of the storage area. So the plan is to pick it up tomorrow or Friday and then to prime and paint it blue. The headset is on its way and most of the Dura Ace group

are here including the wheels with the 11-36 cassette, the XTR long arm derailleur to shift that cassette, the 6800 levers that I mounted on the bars yesterday, the Dura Ace brakes, the FSA Team Issue crankset and the saddle and seatpost.

Andrew said that the Shimano shift cables had a larger end on them than the Campagnolo but I looked pretty closely and they sure look the same size to me. Of course looking and fitting are two different things but I'm pretty certain that the cheap

Chinese shift cables will work without any troubles. More than half of the 50 of them I bought do not have any mold marks on them and are perfectly round but I will experiment.

Without Campy selling 12 speed reels I think I will return to Shimano. the 10 speed group can be extended to wide ratios with the Deore rear derailleurs and you can get away very cheap. Plus you don't spend half of your time shifting over gears that a

normal rider never uses. Come on now, who uses an 11,12,13,14,15,16,17? That is 7 gears so closely spaced that you need to shift 3 gears to tell you've shifted at all.

And of course it never occurred to that half-wit why just about every performance road cassette on the market uses 11,12,13,14,15,16,17 for the first 7 cogs. (refer to Lous post about percentages for those of you who don't know)

Why?
Because there are no 13-1/2t sprockets, that's why.
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Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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