Last year we had this same sort of rain prediction and I did a 40 mile ride b because it wasn't supposed to rain until a couple of hours after I would normally return. Well, it started raining as I started back from 20 miles out and I had 300 meters toclimb and fairly heavy traffic to endure in pouting rain.
So I decided not to take a chance today and at 10:30 it still hasn't even sprinkled. I could have done an easy ride out to Bay Farm Island and back by now as the sky is really looking bad.
But I suppose better safe than sorry.
Last year we had this same sort of rain prediction and I did a 40 mile ride b because it wasn't supposed to rain until a couple of hours after I would normally return. Well, it started raining as I started back from 20 miles out and I had 300 meters toclimb and fairly heavy traffic to endure in pouting rain.
So I decided not to take a chance today and at 10:30 it still hasn't even sprinkled. I could have done an easy ride out to Bay Farm Island and back by now as the sky is really looking bad.
But I suppose better safe than sorry.
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:37:12 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:to climb and fairly heavy traffic to endure in pouting rain.
Last year we had this same sort of rain prediction and I did a 40 mile ride b because it wasn't supposed to rain until a couple of hours after I would normally return. Well, it started raining as I started back from 20 miles out and I had 300 meters
79 and a monthSo I decided not to take a chance today and at 10:30 it still hasn't even sprinkled. I could have done an easy ride out to Bay Farm Island and back by now as the sky is really looking bad.
But I suppose better safe than sorry.Tom you are how old now?
My dad's been drilling it into me for 50 yrs: If you want to make it rain, just leave your raincoat at home
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:54:57 PM UTC-8, Doug Landau wrote:meters to climb and fairly heavy traffic to endure in pouting rain.
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:37:12 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
Last year we had this same sort of rain prediction and I did a 40 mile ride b because it wasn't supposed to rain until a couple of hours after I would normally return. Well, it started raining as I started back from 20 miles out and I had 300
So I decided not to take a chance today and at 10:30 it still hasn't even sprinkled. I could have done an easy ride out to Bay Farm Island and back by now as the sky is really looking bad.
79 and a monthBut I suppose better safe than sorry.Tom you are how old now?
My dad's been drilling it into me for 50 yrs: If you want to make it rain, just leave your raincoat at home
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 3:12:53 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:meters to climb and fairly heavy traffic to endure in pouting rain.
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:54:57 PM UTC-8, Doug Landau wrote:
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:37:12 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
Last year we had this same sort of rain prediction and I did a 40 mile ride b because it wasn't supposed to rain until a couple of hours after I would normally return. Well, it started raining as I started back from 20 miles out and I had 300
ever put on. The others were providing at least some warmth despite their nature as a waterproof windbreaker, but in this thing a person could freeze to death in San Jose.So I decided not to take a chance today and at 10:30 it still hasn't even sprinkled. I could have done an easy ride out to Bay Farm Island and back by now as the sky is really looking bad.
It was a rhetorical question, Tom. But while we're on the subject of rain, I will ask you: what jacket do you wear?79 and a monthBut I suppose better safe than sorry.Tom you are how old now?
My dad's been drilling it into me for 50 yrs: If you want to make it rain, just leave your raincoat at home
Both of my little yellow gore-tel jackets were stolen from my van in your town. Not that I think it was you that took them; alls I'm saying is that I went to REI and got one of the ones they are selling, and it's the coldest motherfucking jacket Ive
Whaddya wear and izit yellow and zit goretex and can we see a pic please.
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 3:12:53?PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:meters to climb and fairly heavy traffic to endure in pouting rain.
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:54:57?PM UTC-8, Doug Landau wrote:
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:37:12?AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
Last year we had this same sort of rain prediction and I did a 40 mile ride b because it wasn't supposed to rain until a couple of hours after I would normally return. Well, it started raining as I started back from 20 miles out and I had 300
ever put on. The others were providing at least some warmth despite their nature as a waterproof windbreaker, but in this thing a person could freeze to death in San Jose.79 and a monthTom you are how old now?
So I decided not to take a chance today and at 10:30 it still hasn't even sprinkled. I could have done an easy ride out to Bay Farm Island and back by now as the sky is really looking bad.
But I suppose better safe than sorry.
My dad's been drilling it into me for 50 yrs: If you want to make it rain, just leave your raincoat at home
It was a rhetorical question, Tom. But while we're on the subject of rain, I will ask you: what jacket do you wear?
Both of my little yellow gore-tel jackets were stolen from my van in your town. Not that I think it was you that took them; alls I'm saying is that I went to REI and got one of the ones they are selling, and it's the coldest motherfucking jacket Ive
Whaddya wear and izit yellow and zit goretex and can we see a pic please.
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 14:56:22 -0800 (PST), Doug Landauever put on. The others were providing at least some warmth despite their nature as a waterproof windbreaker, but in this thing a person could freeze to death in San Jose.
<doug.landau@gmail.com> wrote:
It was a rhetorical question, Tom. But while we're on the subject of rain, I will ask you: what jacket do you wear?
Both of my little yellow gore-tel jackets were stolen from my van in your town. Not that I think it was you that took them; alls I'm saying is that I went to REI and got one of the ones they are selling, and it's the coldest motherfucking jacket Ive
Whaddya wear and izit yellow and zit goretex and can we see a pic please.
This video might help:
"Gore-Tex is a Marketing Gimmick" (10:37) <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGEzJJYiROk>
Spoiler #1: Gore-Tex is water proof *OR* breathable, but not both at
the same time.
Spoiler #2: Todays Gore-Tex is not expanded PTFE, but rather expanded
PE (polyethylene) or expanded PU (polyurethane).
On 11/18/2023 8:50 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:ever put on. The others were providing at least some warmth despite their nature as a waterproof windbreaker, but in this thing a person could freeze to death in San Jose.
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 14:56:22 -0800 (PST), Doug Landau
<doug.landau@gmail.com> wrote:
It was a rhetorical question, Tom. But while we're on the subject of rain, I will ask you: what jacket do you wear?
Both of my little yellow gore-tel jackets were stolen from my van in your town. Not that I think it was you that took them; alls I'm saying is that I went to REI and got one of the ones they are selling, and it's the coldest motherfucking jacket Ive
This video might help:
Whaddya wear and izit yellow and zit goretex and can we see a pic please. >>
"Gore-Tex is a Marketing Gimmick" (10:37)
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGEzJJYiROk>
Spoiler #1: Gore-Tex is water proof *OR* breathable, but not both at
the same time.
Spoiler #2: Todays Gore-Tex is not expanded PTFE, but rather expanded
PE (polyethylene) or expanded PU (polyurethane).
Interesting about the "waterproof OR breathable" bit. I recall way back
when the first Gore-Tex tents came out. The "No need for a rain fly!"
claims died pretty quickly.
OTOH, I have one ancient Gore-Tex cycling jacket. I don't like the fact
that when packed into my bike bag, its multiple layers take up much more
room than a simple thin shell. But in cold weather, it seems more
comfortable than any other jacket I've tried. I don't know how much of
that is due to Gore-Tex vs. other design features like huge pit zippers.
For riding in rain, in warm conditions I prefer a classic rain cape.
It's not perfect but it's better than anything else I've tried. But in
windy rain or really heavy rain, nothing makes me comfortable.
Interesting about the "waterproof OR breathable" bit. I recall way back
when the first Gore-Tex tents came out. The "No need for a rain fly!"
claims died pretty quickly.
For riding in rain, in warm conditions I prefer a classic rain cape.
It's not perfect but it's better than anything else I've tried. But in
windy rain or really heavy rain, nothing makes me comfortable.
On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 11:07:09 -0500, Frank KrygowskiIve ever put on. The others were providing at least some warmth despite their nature as a waterproof windbreaker, but in this thing a person could freeze to death in San Jose.
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 11/18/2023 8:50 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 14:56:22 -0800 (PST), Doug Landau
<doug....@gmail.com> wrote:
It was a rhetorical question, Tom. But while we're on the subject of rain, I will ask you: what jacket do you wear?
Both of my little yellow gore-tel jackets were stolen from my van in your town. Not that I think it was you that took them; alls I'm saying is that I went to REI and got one of the ones they are selling, and it's the coldest motherfucking jacket
Try getting wet in 37 degrees and see what you think about rain then.
Whaddya wear and izit yellow and zit goretex and can we see a pic please.
This video might help:
"Gore-Tex is a Marketing Gimmick" (10:37)
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGEzJJYiROk>
Spoiler #1: Gore-Tex is water proof *OR* breathable, but not both at
the same time.
Spoiler #2: Todays Gore-Tex is not expanded PTFE, but rather expanded
PE (polyethylene) or expanded PU (polyurethane).
Interesting about the "waterproof OR breathable" bit. I recall way back >when the first Gore-Tex tents came out. The "No need for a rain fly!" >claims died pretty quickly.
OTOH, I have one ancient Gore-Tex cycling jacket. I don't like the fact >that when packed into my bike bag, its multiple layers take up much more >room than a simple thin shell. But in cold weather, it seems more >comfortable than any other jacket I've tried. I don't know how much of >that is due to Gore-Tex vs. other design features like huge pit zippers.
For riding in rain, in warm conditions I prefer a classic rain cape.I suppose that'd work on a DF bike if you ride slow enough, but then
It's not perfect but it's better than anything else I've tried. But in >windy rain or really heavy rain, nothing makes me comfortable.
there are those of us that are not afraid to get wet. As for me, I'm
usually pretty wet anyway. That happens when you ride hard and further
than just to library across town.
On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 5:07:17 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
For riding in rain, in warm conditions I prefer a classic rain cape.For riding in rain in warm conditions I prefer to get wet. This also applies for most other conditions when I end up home after the ride. I hate rain gear.
It's not perfect but it's better than anything else I've tried. But in windy rain or really heavy rain, nothing makes me comfortable.
Lou
On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:40:15?AM UTC-8, Catrike Rider wrote:Ive ever put on. The others were providing at least some warmth despite their nature as a waterproof windbreaker, but in this thing a person could freeze to death in San Jose.
On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 11:07:09 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 11/18/2023 8:50 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 14:56:22 -0800 (PST), Doug Landau
<doug....@gmail.com> wrote:
It was a rhetorical question, Tom. But while we're on the subject of rain, I will ask you: what jacket do you wear?
Both of my little yellow gore-tel jackets were stolen from my van in your town. Not that I think it was you that took them; alls I'm saying is that I went to REI and got one of the ones they are selling, and it's the coldest motherfucking jacket
Try getting wet in 37 degrees and see what you think about rain then.I suppose that'd work on a DF bike if you ride slow enough, but then
Whaddya wear and izit yellow and zit goretex and can we see a pic please.
This video might help:
"Gore-Tex is a Marketing Gimmick" (10:37)
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGEzJJYiROk>
Spoiler #1: Gore-Tex is water proof *OR* breathable, but not both at
the same time.
Spoiler #2: Todays Gore-Tex is not expanded PTFE, but rather expanded
PE (polyethylene) or expanded PU (polyurethane).
Interesting about the "waterproof OR breathable" bit. I recall way back
when the first Gore-Tex tents came out. The "No need for a rain fly!"
claims died pretty quickly.
OTOH, I have one ancient Gore-Tex cycling jacket. I don't like the fact
that when packed into my bike bag, its multiple layers take up much more
room than a simple thin shell. But in cold weather, it seems more
comfortable than any other jacket I've tried. I don't know how much of
that is due to Gore-Tex vs. other design features like huge pit zippers.
For riding in rain, in warm conditions I prefer a classic rain cape.
It's not perfect but it's better than anything else I've tried. But in
windy rain or really heavy rain, nothing makes me comfortable.
there are those of us that are not afraid to get wet. As for me, I'm
usually pretty wet anyway. That happens when you ride hard and further
than just to library across town.
On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:40:15 AM UTC-8, Catrike Rider wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 11:07:09 -0500, Frank KrygowskiTry getting wet in 37 degrees and see what you think about rain then.
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 11/18/2023 8:50 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:I suppose that'd work on a DF bike if you ride slow enough, but then
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 14:56:22 -0800 (PST), Doug Landau
<doug....@gmail.com> wrote:
It was a rhetorical question, Tom. But while we're on the subject of >>>>> rain, I will ask you: what jacket do you wear?This video might help:
Both of my little yellow gore-tel jackets were stolen from my van in >>>>> your town. Not that I think it was you that took them; alls I'm
saying is that I went to REI and got one of the ones they are
selling, and it's the coldest motherfucking jacket Ive ever put on.
The others were providing at least some warmth despite their nature
as a waterproof windbreaker, but in this thing a person could freeze >>>>> to death in San Jose.
Whaddya wear and izit yellow and zit goretex and can we see a pic please. >>>>
"Gore-Tex is a Marketing Gimmick" (10:37)
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGEzJJYiROk>
Spoiler #1: Gore-Tex is water proof *OR* breathable, but not both at
the same time.
Spoiler #2: Todays Gore-Tex is not expanded PTFE, but rather expanded
PE (polyethylene) or expanded PU (polyurethane).
Interesting about the "waterproof OR breathable" bit. I recall way back
when the first Gore-Tex tents came out. The "No need for a rain fly!"
claims died pretty quickly.
OTOH, I have one ancient Gore-Tex cycling jacket. I don't like the fact
that when packed into my bike bag, its multiple layers take up much more >>> room than a simple thin shell. But in cold weather, it seems more
comfortable than any other jacket I've tried. I don't know how much of
that is due to Gore-Tex vs. other design features like huge pit zippers. >>>
For riding in rain, in warm conditions I prefer a classic rain cape.
It's not perfect but it's better than anything else I've tried. But in
windy rain or really heavy rain, nothing makes me comfortable.
there are those of us that are not afraid to get wet. As for me, I'm
usually pretty wet anyway. That happens when you ride hard and further
than just to library across town.
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:40:15 AM UTC-8, Catrike Rider wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 11:07:09 -0500, Frank KrygowskiTry getting wet in 37 degrees and see what you think about rain then.
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 11/18/2023 8:50 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:I suppose that'd work on a DF bike if you ride slow enough, but then
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 14:56:22 -0800 (PST), Doug Landau
<doug....@gmail.com> wrote:
It was a rhetorical question, Tom. But while we're on the subject of >>>>> rain, I will ask you: what jacket do you wear?
Both of my little yellow gore-tel jackets were stolen from my van in >>>>> your town. Not that I think it was you that took them; alls I'm
saying is that I went to REI and got one of the ones they are
selling, and it's the coldest motherfucking jacket Ive ever put on. >>>>> The others were providing at least some warmth despite their nature >>>>> as a waterproof windbreaker, but in this thing a person could freeze >>>>> to death in San Jose.
Whaddya wear and izit yellow and zit goretex and can we see a pic please.
This video might help:
"Gore-Tex is a Marketing Gimmick" (10:37)
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGEzJJYiROk>
Spoiler #1: Gore-Tex is water proof *OR* breathable, but not both at >>>> the same time.
Spoiler #2: Todays Gore-Tex is not expanded PTFE, but rather expanded >>>> PE (polyethylene) or expanded PU (polyurethane).
Interesting about the "waterproof OR breathable" bit. I recall way back >>> when the first Gore-Tex tents came out. The "No need for a rain fly!" >>> claims died pretty quickly.
OTOH, I have one ancient Gore-Tex cycling jacket. I don't like the fact >>> that when packed into my bike bag, its multiple layers take up much more >>> room than a simple thin shell. But in cold weather, it seems more
comfortable than any other jacket I've tried. I don't know how much of >>> that is due to Gore-Tex vs. other design features like huge pit zippers. >>>
For riding in rain, in warm conditions I prefer a classic rain cape.
It's not perfect but it's better than anything else I've tried. But in >>> windy rain or really heavy rain, nothing makes me comfortable.
there are those of us that are not afraid to get wet. As for me, I'm
usually pretty wet anyway. That happens when you ride hard and further
than just to library across town.
That’s not even below freezing, I do have some full length gloves but winters have been so mild not needed them generally only once temperature get below zero. C that is or freezing.
I’d echo folks that warm trumps dry.
Roger Merriman
On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 11:07:09 -0500, Frank KrygowskiIve ever put on. The others were providing at least some warmth despite their nature as a waterproof windbreaker, but in this thing a person could freeze to death in San Jose.
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 11/18/2023 8:50 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 14:56:22 -0800 (PST), Doug Landau
<doug.landau@gmail.com> wrote:
It was a rhetorical question, Tom. But while we're on the subject of rain, I will ask you: what jacket do you wear?
Both of my little yellow gore-tel jackets were stolen from my van in your town. Not that I think it was you that took them; alls I'm saying is that I went to REI and got one of the ones they are selling, and it's the coldest motherfucking jacket
This video might help:
Whaddya wear and izit yellow and zit goretex and can we see a pic please. >>>
"Gore-Tex is a Marketing Gimmick" (10:37)
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGEzJJYiROk>
Spoiler #1: Gore-Tex is water proof *OR* breathable, but not both at
the same time.
Spoiler #2: Todays Gore-Tex is not expanded PTFE, but rather expanded
PE (polyethylene) or expanded PU (polyurethane).
Interesting about the "waterproof OR breathable" bit. I recall way back >>when the first Gore-Tex tents came out. The "No need for a rain fly!" >>claims died pretty quickly.
OTOH, I have one ancient Gore-Tex cycling jacket. I don't like the fact >>that when packed into my bike bag, its multiple layers take up much more >>room than a simple thin shell. But in cold weather, it seems more >>comfortable than any other jacket I've tried. I don't know how much of
that is due to Gore-Tex vs. other design features like huge pit zippers.
For riding in rain, in warm conditions I prefer a classic rain cape.
It's not perfect but it's better than anything else I've tried. But in >>windy rain or really heavy rain, nothing makes me comfortable.
I suppose that'd work on a DF bike if you ride slow enough, but then
there are those of us that are not afraid to get wet. As for me, I'm
usually pretty wet anyway. That happens when you ride hard and further
than just to library across town.
On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 12:40:10 -0500, Catrike RiderIve ever put on. The others were providing at least some warmth despite their nature as a waterproof windbreaker, but in this thing a person could freeze to death in San Jose.
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 11:07:09 -0500, Frank Krygowski >><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 11/18/2023 8:50 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 14:56:22 -0800 (PST), Doug Landau
<doug.landau@gmail.com> wrote:
It was a rhetorical question, Tom. But while we're on the subject of rain, I will ask you: what jacket do you wear?
Both of my little yellow gore-tel jackets were stolen from my van in your town. Not that I think it was you that took them; alls I'm saying is that I went to REI and got one of the ones they are selling, and it's the coldest motherfucking jacket
This video might help:
Whaddya wear and izit yellow and zit goretex and can we see a pic please. >>>>
"Gore-Tex is a Marketing Gimmick" (10:37)
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGEzJJYiROk>
Spoiler #1: Gore-Tex is water proof *OR* breathable, but not both at
the same time.
Spoiler #2: Todays Gore-Tex is not expanded PTFE, but rather expanded >>>> PE (polyethylene) or expanded PU (polyurethane).
Interesting about the "waterproof OR breathable" bit. I recall way back >>>when the first Gore-Tex tents came out. The "No need for a rain fly!" >>>claims died pretty quickly.
OTOH, I have one ancient Gore-Tex cycling jacket. I don't like the fact >>>that when packed into my bike bag, its multiple layers take up much more >>>room than a simple thin shell. But in cold weather, it seems more >>>comfortable than any other jacket I've tried. I don't know how much of >>>that is due to Gore-Tex vs. other design features like huge pit zippers.
For riding in rain, in warm conditions I prefer a classic rain cape.
It's not perfect but it's better than anything else I've tried. But in >>>windy rain or really heavy rain, nothing makes me comfortable.
I suppose that'd work on a DF bike if you ride slow enough, but then
there are those of us that are not afraid to get wet. As for me, I'm >>usually pretty wet anyway. That happens when you ride hard and further
than just to library across town.
I always used a cheap plastic poncho. Folds up into a small package
and can be stored under the seat easily and helps a bit to keep you
dry. After all, if you ride in a warm climate you are going to be wet
with sweat anyway, but the poncho does make it a bit more pleasant
(when thundering down the hills at 65 mph as Tom tells us).
Cost here less then US$1.00 so if it gets lost or damaged it's not a
calamity (:-)
On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 08:36:38 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>Ive ever put on. The others were providing at least some warmth despite their nature as a waterproof windbreaker, but in this thing a person could freeze to death in San Jose.
wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 12:40:10 -0500, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 11:07:09 -0500, Frank Krygowski >>><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 11/18/2023 8:50 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 14:56:22 -0800 (PST), Doug Landau
<doug.landau@gmail.com> wrote:
It was a rhetorical question, Tom. But while we're on the subject of rain, I will ask you: what jacket do you wear?
Both of my little yellow gore-tel jackets were stolen from my van in your town. Not that I think it was you that took them; alls I'm saying is that I went to REI and got one of the ones they are selling, and it's the coldest motherfucking jacket
Whaddya wear and izit yellow and zit goretex and can we see a pic please.
This video might help:
"Gore-Tex is a Marketing Gimmick" (10:37)
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGEzJJYiROk>
Spoiler #1: Gore-Tex is water proof *OR* breathable, but not both at >>>>> the same time.
Spoiler #2: Todays Gore-Tex is not expanded PTFE, but rather expanded >>>>> PE (polyethylene) or expanded PU (polyurethane).
Interesting about the "waterproof OR breathable" bit. I recall way back >>>>when the first Gore-Tex tents came out. The "No need for a rain fly!" >>>>claims died pretty quickly.
OTOH, I have one ancient Gore-Tex cycling jacket. I don't like the fact >>>>that when packed into my bike bag, its multiple layers take up much more >>>>room than a simple thin shell. But in cold weather, it seems more >>>>comfortable than any other jacket I've tried. I don't know how much of >>>>that is due to Gore-Tex vs. other design features like huge pit zippers. >>>>
For riding in rain, in warm conditions I prefer a classic rain cape. >>>>It's not perfect but it's better than anything else I've tried. But in >>>>windy rain or really heavy rain, nothing makes me comfortable.
I suppose that'd work on a DF bike if you ride slow enough, but then >>>there are those of us that are not afraid to get wet. As for me, I'm >>>usually pretty wet anyway. That happens when you ride hard and further >>>than just to library across town.
I always used a cheap plastic poncho. Folds up into a small package
and can be stored under the seat easily and helps a bit to keep you
dry. After all, if you ride in a warm climate you are going to be wet
with sweat anyway, but the poncho does make it a bit more pleasant
(when thundering down the hills at 65 mph as Tom tells us).
Cost here less then US$1.00 so if it gets lost or damaged it's not a >>calamity (:-)
That doesn't work on a recumbent.
On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 03:44:53 -0500, Catrike RiderIve ever put on. The others were providing at least some warmth despite their nature as a waterproof windbreaker, but in this thing a person could freeze to death in San Jose.
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 08:36:38 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 12:40:10 -0500, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 11:07:09 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 11/18/2023 8:50 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 14:56:22 -0800 (PST), Doug Landau
<doug.landau@gmail.com> wrote:
It was a rhetorical question, Tom. But while we're on the subject of rain, I will ask you: what jacket do you wear?
Both of my little yellow gore-tel jackets were stolen from my van in your town. Not that I think it was you that took them; alls I'm saying is that I went to REI and got one of the ones they are selling, and it's the coldest motherfucking jacket
Whaddya wear and izit yellow and zit goretex and can we see a pic please.
This video might help:
"Gore-Tex is a Marketing Gimmick" (10:37)
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGEzJJYiROk>
Spoiler #1: Gore-Tex is water proof *OR* breathable, but not both at >>>>>> the same time.
Spoiler #2: Todays Gore-Tex is not expanded PTFE, but rather expanded >>>>>> PE (polyethylene) or expanded PU (polyurethane).
Interesting about the "waterproof OR breathable" bit. I recall way back >>>>> when the first Gore-Tex tents came out. The "No need for a rain fly!" >>>>> claims died pretty quickly.
OTOH, I have one ancient Gore-Tex cycling jacket. I don't like the fact >>>>> that when packed into my bike bag, its multiple layers take up much more >>>>> room than a simple thin shell. But in cold weather, it seems more
comfortable than any other jacket I've tried. I don't know how much of >>>>> that is due to Gore-Tex vs. other design features like huge pit zippers. >>>>>
For riding in rain, in warm conditions I prefer a classic rain cape. >>>>> It's not perfect but it's better than anything else I've tried. But in >>>>> windy rain or really heavy rain, nothing makes me comfortable.
I suppose that'd work on a DF bike if you ride slow enough, but then
there are those of us that are not afraid to get wet. As for me, I'm
usually pretty wet anyway. That happens when you ride hard and further >>>> than just to library across town.
I always used a cheap plastic poncho. Folds up into a small package
and can be stored under the seat easily and helps a bit to keep you
dry. After all, if you ride in a warm climate you are going to be wet
with sweat anyway, but the poncho does make it a bit more pleasant
(when thundering down the hills at 65 mph as Tom tells us).
Cost here less then US$1.00 so if it gets lost or damaged it's not a
calamity (:-)
That doesn't work on a recumbent.
(:-) No. But then I ride erect (:-)
I've seen only photos of recumbent but it looks as though rather then
a waterproof upper garment you would need waterproof pants (:-)
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 3:12:53 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:to climb and fairly heavy traffic to endure in pouting rain.
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:54:57 PM UTC-8, Doug Landau wrote: >>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:37:12 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote: >>>> Last year we had this same sort of rain prediction and I did a 40 mile ride b because it wasn't supposed to rain until a couple of hours after I would normally return. Well, it started raining as I started back from 20 miles out and I had 300 meters
ever put on. The others were providing at least some warmth despite their nature as a waterproof windbreaker, but in this thing a person could freeze to death in San Jose.79 and a monthTom you are how old now?
So I decided not to take a chance today and at 10:30 it still hasn't even sprinkled. I could have done an easy ride out to Bay Farm Island and back by now as the sky is really looking bad.
But I suppose better safe than sorry.
My dad's been drilling it into me for 50 yrs: If you want to make it rain, just leave your raincoat at home
It was a rhetorical question, Tom. But while we're on the subject of rain, I will ask you: what jacket do you wear?
Both of my little yellow gore-tel jackets were stolen from my van in your town. Not that I think it was you that took them; alls I'm saying is that I went to REI and got one of the ones they are selling, and it's the coldest motherfucking jacket Ive
On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 03:44:53 -0500, Catrike RiderIve ever put on. The others were providing at least some warmth despite their nature as a waterproof windbreaker, but in this thing a person could freeze to death in San Jose.
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 08:36:38 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 12:40:10 -0500, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 11:07:09 -0500, Frank Krygowski >>>><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 11/18/2023 8:50 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 14:56:22 -0800 (PST), Doug Landau
<doug.landau@gmail.com> wrote:
It was a rhetorical question, Tom. But while we're on the subject of rain, I will ask you: what jacket do you wear?
Both of my little yellow gore-tel jackets were stolen from my van in your town. Not that I think it was you that took them; alls I'm saying is that I went to REI and got one of the ones they are selling, and it's the coldest motherfucking jacket
Whaddya wear and izit yellow and zit goretex and can we see a pic please.
This video might help:
"Gore-Tex is a Marketing Gimmick" (10:37)
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGEzJJYiROk>
Spoiler #1: Gore-Tex is water proof *OR* breathable, but not both at >>>>>> the same time.
Spoiler #2: Todays Gore-Tex is not expanded PTFE, but rather expanded >>>>>> PE (polyethylene) or expanded PU (polyurethane).
Interesting about the "waterproof OR breathable" bit. I recall way back >>>>>when the first Gore-Tex tents came out. The "No need for a rain fly!" >>>>>claims died pretty quickly.
OTOH, I have one ancient Gore-Tex cycling jacket. I don't like the fact >>>>>that when packed into my bike bag, its multiple layers take up much more >>>>>room than a simple thin shell. But in cold weather, it seems more >>>>>comfortable than any other jacket I've tried. I don't know how much of >>>>>that is due to Gore-Tex vs. other design features like huge pit zippers. >>>>>
For riding in rain, in warm conditions I prefer a classic rain cape. >>>>>It's not perfect but it's better than anything else I've tried. But in >>>>>windy rain or really heavy rain, nothing makes me comfortable.
I suppose that'd work on a DF bike if you ride slow enough, but then >>>>there are those of us that are not afraid to get wet. As for me, I'm >>>>usually pretty wet anyway. That happens when you ride hard and further >>>>than just to library across town.
I always used a cheap plastic poncho. Folds up into a small package
and can be stored under the seat easily and helps a bit to keep you
dry. After all, if you ride in a warm climate you are going to be wet >>>with sweat anyway, but the poncho does make it a bit more pleasant
(when thundering down the hills at 65 mph as Tom tells us).
Cost here less then US$1.00 so if it gets lost or damaged it's not a >>>calamity (:-)
That doesn't work on a recumbent.
(:-) No. But then I ride erect (:-)
I've seen only photos of recumbent but it looks as though rather then
a waterproof upper garment you would need waterproof pants (:-)
Fisherman's Waders? >https://shopee.co.th/product/44021392/7494011628?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMInem6j7HSggMVDKRmAh0bJAdtEAQYAiABEgIMmPD_BwE
and only $6.25 in your money (:-)
or something like
https://tinyurl.com/3cbr5att
On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 2:07:57 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:40:15 AM UTC-8, Catrike Rider wrote: >>>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 11:07:09 -0500, Frank KrygowskiThat’s not even below freezing, I do have some full length gloves but
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:Try getting wet in 37 degrees and see what you think about rain then.
On 11/18/2023 8:50 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:I suppose that'd work on a DF bike if you ride slow enough, but then
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 14:56:22 -0800 (PST), Doug Landau
<doug....@gmail.com> wrote:
It was a rhetorical question, Tom. But while we're on the subject of >>>>>>> rain, I will ask you: what jacket do you wear?
Both of my little yellow gore-tel jackets were stolen from my van in >>>>>>> your town. Not that I think it was you that took them; alls I'm
saying is that I went to REI and got one of the ones they are
selling, and it's the coldest motherfucking jacket Ive ever put on. >>>>>>> The others were providing at least some warmth despite their nature >>>>>>> as a waterproof windbreaker, but in this thing a person could freeze >>>>>>> to death in San Jose.
Whaddya wear and izit yellow and zit goretex and can we see a pic please.
This video might help:
"Gore-Tex is a Marketing Gimmick" (10:37)
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGEzJJYiROk>
Spoiler #1: Gore-Tex is water proof *OR* breathable, but not both at >>>>>> the same time.
Spoiler #2: Todays Gore-Tex is not expanded PTFE, but rather expanded >>>>>> PE (polyethylene) or expanded PU (polyurethane).
Interesting about the "waterproof OR breathable" bit. I recall way back >>>>> when the first Gore-Tex tents came out. The "No need for a rain fly!" >>>>> claims died pretty quickly.
OTOH, I have one ancient Gore-Tex cycling jacket. I don't like the fact >>>>> that when packed into my bike bag, its multiple layers take up much more >>>>> room than a simple thin shell. But in cold weather, it seems more
comfortable than any other jacket I've tried. I don't know how much of >>>>> that is due to Gore-Tex vs. other design features like huge pit zippers. >>>>>
For riding in rain, in warm conditions I prefer a classic rain cape. >>>>> It's not perfect but it's better than anything else I've tried. But in >>>>> windy rain or really heavy rain, nothing makes me comfortable.
there are those of us that are not afraid to get wet. As for me, I'm
usually pretty wet anyway. That happens when you ride hard and further >>>> than just to library across town.
winters have been so mild not needed them generally only once temperature
get below zero. C that is or freezing.
I’d echo folks that warm trumps dry.
Roger Merriman
In general it doesn't RAIN in sub-zero temperatures - it snows
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 14:56:22 -0800 (PST), Doug Landaumeters to climb and fairly heavy traffic to endure in pouting rain.
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 3:12:53?PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:54:57?PM UTC-8, Doug Landau wrote:
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:37:12?AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote: >> > > Last year we had this same sort of rain prediction and I did a 40 mile ride b because it wasn't supposed to rain until a couple of hours after I would normally return. Well, it started raining as I started back from 20 miles out and I had 300
ever put on. The others were providing at least some warmth despite their nature as a waterproof windbreaker, but in this thing a person could freeze to death in San Jose.79 and a monthTom you are how old now?
So I decided not to take a chance today and at 10:30 it still hasn't even sprinkled. I could have done an easy ride out to Bay Farm Island and back by now as the sky is really looking bad.
But I suppose better safe than sorry.
My dad's been drilling it into me for 50 yrs: If you want to make it rain, just leave your raincoat at home
It was a rhetorical question, Tom. But while we're on the subject of rain, I will ask you: what jacket do you wear?
Both of my little yellow gore-tel jackets were stolen from my van in your town. Not that I think it was you that took them; alls I'm saying is that I went to REI and got one of the ones they are selling, and it's the coldest motherfucking jacket Ive
Whaddya wear and izit yellow and zit goretex and can we see a pic please. This video might help:"Gore-Tex is a Marketing Gimmick" (10:37) <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGEzJJYiROk>
Spoiler #1: Gore-Tex is water proof *OR* breathable, but not both at
the same time.
Spoiler #2: Todays Gore-Tex is not expanded PTFE, but rather expanded
PE (polyethylene) or expanded PU (polyurethane).
After this summer, I could not find my Gore Bike Wear windbreaker (Yellow/Blue) jacket from 1995 and more, so I had to shell out a new one (Yellow):
<https://amzn.eu/d/dBTQI1s>
On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 10:45:05 PM UTC-8, Doug Landau wrote:300 meters to climb and fairly heavy traffic to endure in pouting rain.
On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 5:50:43 PM UTC-8, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 14:56:22 -0800 (PST), Doug Landau
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 3:12:53?PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote: >> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:54:57?PM UTC-8, Doug Landau wrote:
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:37:12?AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
Last year we had this same sort of rain prediction and I did a 40 mile ride b because it wasn't supposed to rain until a couple of hours after I would normally return. Well, it started raining as I started back from 20 miles out and I had
Ive ever put on. The others were providing at least some warmth despite their nature as a waterproof windbreaker, but in this thing a person could freeze to death in San Jose.79 and a monthTom you are how old now?
So I decided not to take a chance today and at 10:30 it still hasn't even sprinkled. I could have done an easy ride out to Bay Farm Island and back by now as the sky is really looking bad.
But I suppose better safe than sorry.
My dad's been drilling it into me for 50 yrs: If you want to make it rain, just leave your raincoat at home
It was a rhetorical question, Tom. But while we're on the subject of rain, I will ask you: what jacket do you wear?
Both of my little yellow gore-tel jackets were stolen from my van in your town. Not that I think it was you that took them; alls I'm saying is that I went to REI and got one of the ones they are selling, and it's the coldest motherfucking jacket
admit not when climbing for sport or loaded.Interesting. The one I got in 1990 at performance worked very well, ISTM, and did for ...uh... 15 or 20 years. It did not leak and did breathe well, I think, cuz I stayed dry! At my usual level of exertion, given that it was raining. IOW commuting. IWhaddya wear and izit yellow and zit goretex and can we see a pic please.This video might help:
"Gore-Tex is a Marketing Gimmick" (10:37) <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGEzJJYiROk>
Spoiler #1: Gore-Tex is water proof *OR* breathable, but not both at
the same time.
Spoiler #2: Todays Gore-Tex is not expanded PTFE, but rather expanded
PE (polyethylene) or expanded PU (polyurethane).
I have never found an adequate water proof jacket and hence avoid rain. I do have a clear plastic rain jacket but you overheat in it in 20 seconds.
On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 5:50:43 PM UTC-8, Jeff Liebermann wrote:meters to climb and fairly heavy traffic to endure in pouting rain.
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 14:56:22 -0800 (PST), Doug Landau
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 3:12:53?PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:54:57?PM UTC-8, Doug Landau wrote: >> > On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:37:12?AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
Last year we had this same sort of rain prediction and I did a 40 mile ride b because it wasn't supposed to rain until a couple of hours after I would normally return. Well, it started raining as I started back from 20 miles out and I had 300
ever put on. The others were providing at least some warmth despite their nature as a waterproof windbreaker, but in this thing a person could freeze to death in San Jose.79 and a monthTom you are how old now?
So I decided not to take a chance today and at 10:30 it still hasn't even sprinkled. I could have done an easy ride out to Bay Farm Island and back by now as the sky is really looking bad.
But I suppose better safe than sorry.
My dad's been drilling it into me for 50 yrs: If you want to make it rain, just leave your raincoat at home
It was a rhetorical question, Tom. But while we're on the subject of rain, I will ask you: what jacket do you wear?
Both of my little yellow gore-tel jackets were stolen from my van in your town. Not that I think it was you that took them; alls I'm saying is that I went to REI and got one of the ones they are selling, and it's the coldest motherfucking jacket Ive
admit not when climbing for sport or loaded.Interesting. The one I got in 1990 at performance worked very well, ISTM, and did for ...uh... 15 or 20 years. It did not leak and did breathe well, I think, cuz I stayed dry! At my usual level of exertion, given that it was raining. IOW commuting. IWhaddya wear and izit yellow and zit goretex and can we see a pic please. This video might help:"Gore-Tex is a Marketing Gimmick" (10:37) <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGEzJJYiROk>
Spoiler #1: Gore-Tex is water proof *OR* breathable, but not both at
the same time.
Spoiler #2: Todays Gore-Tex is not expanded PTFE, but rather expanded
PE (polyethylene) or expanded PU (polyurethane).
On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 5:50:43?PM UTC-8, Jeff Liebermann wrote:meters to climb and fairly heavy traffic to endure in pouting rain.
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 14:56:22 -0800 (PST), Doug Landau
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 3:12:53?PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:54:57?PM UTC-8, Doug Landau wrote: >> >> > On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:37:12?AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote: >> >> > > Last year we had this same sort of rain prediction and I did a 40 mile ride b because it wasn't supposed to rain until a couple of hours after I would normally return. Well, it started raining as I started back from 20 miles out and I had 300
ever put on. The others were providing at least some warmth despite their nature as a waterproof windbreaker, but in this thing a person could freeze to death in San Jose.79 and a monthTom you are how old now?
So I decided not to take a chance today and at 10:30 it still hasn't even sprinkled. I could have done an easy ride out to Bay Farm Island and back by now as the sky is really looking bad.
But I suppose better safe than sorry.
My dad's been drilling it into me for 50 yrs: If you want to make it rain, just leave your raincoat at home
It was a rhetorical question, Tom. But while we're on the subject of rain, I will ask you: what jacket do you wear?
Both of my little yellow gore-tel jackets were stolen from my van in your town. Not that I think it was you that took them; alls I'm saying is that I went to REI and got one of the ones they are selling, and it's the coldest motherfucking jacket Ive
I admit not when climbing for sport or loaded."Gore-Tex is a Marketing Gimmick" (10:37)
Whaddya wear and izit yellow and zit goretex and can we see a pic please. >> This video might help:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGEzJJYiROk>
Spoiler #1: Gore-Tex is water proof *OR* breathable, but not both at
the same time.
Spoiler #2: Todays Gore-Tex is not expanded PTFE, but rather expanded
PE (polyethylene) or expanded PU (polyurethane).
Interesting. The one I got in 1990 at performance worked very well, ISTM, and did for ...uh... 15 or 20 years. It did not leak and did breathe well, I think, cuz I stayed dry! At my usual level of exertion, given that it was raining. IOW commuting.
On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 5:31:21 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:300 meters to climb and fairly heavy traffic to endure in pouting rain.
On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 10:45:05 PM UTC-8, Doug Landau wrote:
On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 5:50:43 PM UTC-8, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 14:56:22 -0800 (PST), Doug Landau
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 3:12:53?PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote: >> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:54:57?PM UTC-8, Doug Landau wrote:
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:37:12?AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
Last year we had this same sort of rain prediction and I did a 40 mile ride b because it wasn't supposed to rain until a couple of hours after I would normally return. Well, it started raining as I started back from 20 miles out and I had
Ive ever put on. The others were providing at least some warmth despite their nature as a waterproof windbreaker, but in this thing a person could freeze to death in San Jose.79 and a monthTom you are how old now?
So I decided not to take a chance today and at 10:30 it still hasn't even sprinkled. I could have done an easy ride out to Bay Farm Island and back by now as the sky is really looking bad.
But I suppose better safe than sorry.
My dad's been drilling it into me for 50 yrs: If you want to make it rain, just leave your raincoat at home
It was a rhetorical question, Tom. But while we're on the subject of rain, I will ask you: what jacket do you wear?
Both of my little yellow gore-tel jackets were stolen from my van in your town. Not that I think it was you that took them; alls I'm saying is that I went to REI and got one of the ones they are selling, and it's the coldest motherfucking jacket
I admit not when climbing for sport or loaded.Interesting. The one I got in 1990 at performance worked very well, ISTM, and did for ...uh... 15 or 20 years. It did not leak and did breathe well, I think, cuz I stayed dry! At my usual level of exertion, given that it was raining. IOW commuting.Whaddya wear and izit yellow and zit goretex and can we see a pic please.This video might help:
"Gore-Tex is a Marketing Gimmick" (10:37) <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGEzJJYiROk>
Spoiler #1: Gore-Tex is water proof *OR* breathable, but not both at the same time.
Spoiler #2: Todays Gore-Tex is not expanded PTFE, but rather expanded PE (polyethylene) or expanded PU (polyurethane).
need to be washed anyway. Softshell jacket do a way better job in the rain.I have never found an adequate water proof jacket and hence avoid rain. I do have a clear plastic rain jacket but you overheat in it in 20 seconds.Even if you wear a waterproof rain jacket all the water is running from your jacket on your shorts/full leg pants into your shoes. For sportive riding (waterproof) rain jackets are a joke. You get wet anyway, you have to shower anyway and your clothes
LouThat's mostly true but before when I rode rain or shine I had waterproof kit with waterproof shoe covers. I still have a set of the shoe covers which do fit around the clipless cleats. They aren't perfect but very close.
On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 8:43:42 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 5:31:21 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:That's mostly true but before when I rode rain or shine I had waterproof
On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 10:45:05 PM UTC-8, Doug Landau wrote: >>>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 5:50:43 PM UTC-8, Jeff Liebermann wrote:your jacket on your shorts/full leg pants into your shoes. For sportive
I have never found an adequate water proof jacket and hence avoid rain.On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 14:56:22 -0800 (PST), Doug LandauInteresting. The one I got in 1990 at performance worked very well,
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 3:12:53?PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote: >>>>>>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:54:57?PM UTC-8, Doug Landau wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:37:12?AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote: >>>>>>>>> Last year we had this same sort of rain prediction and I did a 40 >>>>>>>>> mile ride b because it wasn't supposed to rain until a couple of >>>>>>>>> hours after I would normally return. Well, it started raining as >>>>>>>>> I started back from 20 miles out and I had 300 meters to climb >>>>>>>>> and fairly heavy traffic to endure in pouting rain.This video might help:
79 and a monthTom you are how old now?
So I decided not to take a chance today and at 10:30 it still hasn't even
sprinkled. I could have done an easy ride out to Bay Farm Island >>>>>>>>> and back by now as the sky is really looking bad.
But I suppose better safe than sorry.
My dad's been drilling it into me for 50 yrs: If you want to make >>>>>>>> it rain, just leave your raincoat at home
It was a rhetorical question, Tom. But while we're on the subject of >>>>>> rain, I will ask you: what jacket do you wear?
Both of my little yellow gore-tel jackets were stolen from my van in >>>>>> your town. Not that I think it was you that took them; alls I'm
saying is that I went to REI and got one of the ones they are
selling, and it's the coldest motherfucking jacket Ive ever put on. >>>>>> The others were providing at least some warmth despite their nature >>>>>> as a waterproof windbreaker, but in this thing a person could freeze >>>>>> to death in San Jose.
Whaddya wear and izit yellow and zit goretex and can we see a pic please.
"Gore-Tex is a Marketing Gimmick" (10:37)
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGEzJJYiROk>
Spoiler #1: Gore-Tex is water proof *OR* breathable, but not both at >>>>> the same time.
Spoiler #2: Todays Gore-Tex is not expanded PTFE, but rather expanded >>>>> PE (polyethylene) or expanded PU (polyurethane).
ISTM, and did for ...uh... 15 or 20 years. It did not leak and did
breathe well, I think, cuz I stayed dry! At my usual level of
exertion, given that it was raining. IOW commuting. I admit not when
climbing for sport or loaded.
I do have a clear plastic rain jacket but you overheat in it in 20 seconds. >> Even if you wear a waterproof rain jacket all the water is running from
riding (waterproof) rain jackets are a joke. You get wet anyway, you
have to shower anyway and your clothes need to be washed anyway.
Softshell jacket do a way better job in the rain.
Lou
kit with waterproof shoe covers. I still have a set of the shoe covers
which do fit around the clipless cleats. They aren't perfect but very close.
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 8:43:42 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 5:31:21 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:That's mostly true but before when I rode rain or shine I had waterproof kit with waterproof shoe covers. I still have a set of the shoe covers which do fit around the clipless cleats. They aren't perfect but very close.
On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 10:45:05 PM UTC-8, Doug Landau wrote: >>>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 5:50:43 PM UTC-8, Jeff Liebermann wrote:Even if you wear a waterproof rain jacket all the water is running from >> your jacket on your shorts/full leg pants into your shoes. For sportive >> riding (waterproof) rain jackets are a joke. You get wet anyway, you
I have never found an adequate water proof jacket and hence avoid rain. >>> I do have a clear plastic rain jacket but you overheat in it in 20 seconds.On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 14:56:22 -0800 (PST), Doug LandauInteresting. The one I got in 1990 at performance worked very well, >>>> ISTM, and did for ...uh... 15 or 20 years. It did not leak and did
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 3:12:53?PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote: >>>>>>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:54:57?PM UTC-8, Doug Landau wrote:This video might help:
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:37:12?AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:79 and a month
Last year we had this same sort of rain prediction and I did a 40 >>>>>>>>> mile ride b because it wasn't supposed to rain until a couple of >>>>>>>>> hours after I would normally return. Well, it started raining as >>>>>>>>> I started back from 20 miles out and I had 300 meters to climb >>>>>>>>> and fairly heavy traffic to endure in pouting rain.Tom you are how old now?
So I decided not to take a chance today and at 10:30 it still hasn't even
sprinkled. I could have done an easy ride out to Bay Farm Island >>>>>>>>> and back by now as the sky is really looking bad.
But I suppose better safe than sorry.
My dad's been drilling it into me for 50 yrs: If you want to make >>>>>>>> it rain, just leave your raincoat at home
It was a rhetorical question, Tom. But while we're on the subject of >>>>>> rain, I will ask you: what jacket do you wear?
Both of my little yellow gore-tel jackets were stolen from my van in >>>>>> your town. Not that I think it was you that took them; alls I'm >>>>>> saying is that I went to REI and got one of the ones they are
selling, and it's the coldest motherfucking jacket Ive ever put on. >>>>>> The others were providing at least some warmth despite their nature >>>>>> as a waterproof windbreaker, but in this thing a person could freeze >>>>>> to death in San Jose.
Whaddya wear and izit yellow and zit goretex and can we see a pic please.
"Gore-Tex is a Marketing Gimmick" (10:37)
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGEzJJYiROk>
Spoiler #1: Gore-Tex is water proof *OR* breathable, but not both at >>>>> the same time.
Spoiler #2: Todays Gore-Tex is not expanded PTFE, but rather expanded >>>>> PE (polyethylene) or expanded PU (polyurethane).
breathe well, I think, cuz I stayed dry! At my usual level of
exertion, given that it was raining. IOW commuting. I admit not when >>>> climbing for sport or loaded.
have to shower anyway and your clothes need to be washed anyway.
Softshell jacket do a way better job in the rain.
Lou
Like with gortex, is a limit my cycling shoes (five ten impact Pro’s) are water resistant, which generally means my feet stay dry unless I have to ford something deep.
And even then remain warm, like with most MTB flats they are less
ventilated and better padded and even armoured, to protect one’s foot from rock strikes and similar.
Roger Merriman
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