• Re: Cities considering possible bans on Right Turn on Red

    From Tom Kunich@21:1/5 to NFN Smith on Mon Nov 6 07:57:41 2023
    On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:33:16 AM UTC-8, NFN Smith wrote:
    I saw this one turn up over the weekend...

    https://apnews.com/article/red-light-turn-pedestrian-bicyclist-deaths-7f5bdee9c7b3f4cbf005f1844f486123

    Smith
    I have taken to stopping several bike lengths behind the stop light line or pedestrian crosswalk because of this problem. But I cannot see free right turn on red being revoked since illegals with freely given drivers licenses are driving right through
    red lights.

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  • From NFN Smith@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 6 08:33:11 2023
    I saw this one turn up over the weekend...

    https://apnews.com/article/red-light-turn-pedestrian-bicyclist-deaths-7f5bdee9c7b3f4cbf005f1844f486123

    Smith

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  • From Frank Krygowski@21:1/5 to NFN Smith on Mon Nov 6 21:38:05 2023
    On 11/6/2023 10:33 AM, NFN Smith wrote:
    I saw this one turn up over the weekend...

    https://apnews.com/article/red-light-turn-pedestrian-bicyclist-deaths-7f5bdee9c7b3f4cbf005f1844f486123

    I understand right turns on red are generally illegal in Europe. There
    are many more pedestrians there; perhaps that's part of the reason.

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    - Frank Krygowski

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  • From NFN Smith@21:1/5 to Frank Krygowski on Tue Nov 7 09:04:02 2023
    Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 11/6/2023 10:33 AM, NFN Smith wrote:
    I saw this one turn up over the weekend...

    https://apnews.com/article/red-light-turn-pedestrian-bicyclist-deaths-7f5bdee9c7b3f4cbf005f1844f486123


    I understand right turns on red are generally illegal in Europe. There
    are many more pedestrians there; perhaps that's part of the reason.



    It's definitely an American thing.

    My understanding is that it originated during World War II, as a way of
    trying to enhance fuel conservation (same kind of thing as Daylight
    Saving Time).

    I don't know how widely it was used, or if some places expired at the
    end of the war, but I know that growing up in California, it was always
    a standard. I believe that there was expansion of use during the Fuel
    Crisis of the 1970's, and where most places that started using have kept
    it since.

    In the US, New York is known for not having that, and a close reading of
    the article notes that. I know also that there was a Woody Allen film
    where Allen's character suggests that the only cultural advantage of
    California (presumably, over New York) is being able to make a right
    turn on red.

    Something that is similar is that I've seen places where a yellow light
    facing one way causes signals facing the other way to show both red and
    yellow simultaneously. In the US, I've seen that in Boston, and I know
    it common in the parts of England I've been in. I believe that the
    intent is that the expectation (if not legal requirement) that a car
    sitting at a stop light is out of gear, and where the parking brake has
    been engaged. That, of course, assumes manual transmissions. With the red-yellow combo, that alerts drivers to engage the transmission, and to
    be ready to take off the parking brake. I can't imagine right on red
    (or in the UK, left on red) being permitted in those circumstances.

    Smith

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