• From Norway: End of Global Warming Pseudoscience

    From Andre Jute@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 21 15:13:28 2023

    The first amazing thing about this report is that it comes from an official government Statistics Bureau in Scandinavia of all places. But then again, the Norwegians hate being lumped in with the conformist Swedes and socialist Danes.

    You don't need to read Norwegian to get the report. The link below takes you to the official English translation:
    “To what extent are temperature levels changing due to greenhouse gas emissions?”
    https://www.ssb.no/en/natur-og-miljo/forurensning-og-klima/artikler/to-what-extent-are-temperature-levels-changing-due-to-greenhouse-gas-emissions/_/attachment/inline/5a3f4a9b-3bc3-4988-9579-9fea82944264:f63064594b9225f9d7dc458b0b70a646baec3339/DP1007.pdf
    Unlike the Michael Mann cabal, the authors of this paper and their specialist associates show all their workings in extensive appendices. Their statistics are immaculate, and their conclusions conservative. It''s the right stuff.

    A very brief summary of conclusions is at https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/10/a-new-report-throws-cold-water-on-man-made-global-warming-pseudoscience/
    and a more measured piece, once the author overcomes his amazement at Scandinavians being so forward with the truth ("No Way, Norway!"), sets the perspective on this paper''s importance at
    https://climatediscussionnexus.com/2023/10/04/no-way-norway/

    For those too slack or too mathematically handicapped to read the short article, here's the executive summary:
    "The results imply that the effect of man-made CO2 emissions does not appear to be sufficiently strong to cause systematic changes in the pattern of the temperature fluctuations. In other words, our analysis indicates that with the current level of
    knowledge, it seems impossible to determine how much of the temperature increase is due to emissions of CO2.”

    Enjoy!

    Andre Jute
    Funny how the hockey sticks disappear when you do honest statistics over relevant periods.


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  • From Andre Jute@21:1/5 to Andre Jute on Sat Oct 21 15:23:35 2023
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 11:13:30 PM UTC+1, Andre Jute wrote:

    The first amazing thing about this report is that it comes from an official government Statistics Bureau in Scandinavia of all places. But then again, the Norwegians hate being lumped in with the conformist Swedes and socialist Danes.

    You don't need to read Norwegian to get the report. The link below takes you to the official English translation:
    “To what extent are temperature levels changing due to greenhouse gas emissions?”
    https://www.ssb.no/en/natur-og-miljo/forurensning-og-klima/artikler/to-what-extent-are-temperature-levels-changing-due-to-greenhouse-gas-emissions/_/attachment/inline/5a3f4a9b-3bc3-4988-9579-9fea82944264:f63064594b9225f9d7dc458b0b70a646baec3339/DP1007.
    pdf
    Unlike the Michael Mann cabal, the authors of this paper and their specialist associates show all their workings in extensive appendices. Their statistics are immaculate, and their conclusions conservative. It''s the right stuff.

    A very brief summary of conclusions is at https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/10/a-new-report-throws-cold-water-on-man-made-global-warming-pseudoscience/
    and a more measured piece, once the author overcomes his amazement at Scandinavians being so forward with the truth ("No Way, Norway!"), sets the perspective on this paper''s importance at
    https://climatediscussionnexus.com/2023/10/04/no-way-norway/

    For those too slack or too mathematically handicapped to read the short article, here's the executive summary:
    "The results imply that the effect of man-made CO2 emissions does not appear to be sufficiently strong to cause systematic changes in the pattern of the temperature fluctuations. In other words, our analysis indicates that with the current level of
    knowledge, it seems impossible to determine how much of the temperature increase is due to emissions of CO2.”

    Enjoy!

    Andre Jute
    Funny how the hockey sticks disappear when you do honest statistics over relevant periods.

    The comments below the article at https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/10/a-new-report-throws-cold-water-on-man-made-global-warming-pseudoscience/
    are knowledgeable and interesting. -- AJ


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  • From Tom Kunich@21:1/5 to Andre Jute on Sun Oct 22 09:08:42 2023
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:23:37 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 11:13:30 PM UTC+1, Andre Jute wrote:

    The first amazing thing about this report is that it comes from an official government Statistics Bureau in Scandinavia of all places. But then again, the Norwegians hate being lumped in with the conformist Swedes and socialist Danes.

    You don't need to read Norwegian to get the report. The link below takes you to the official English translation:
    “To what extent are temperature levels changing due to greenhouse gas emissions?”
    https://www.ssb.no/en/natur-og-miljo/forurensning-og-klima/artikler/to-what-extent-are-temperature-levels-changing-due-to-greenhouse-gas-emissions/_/attachment/inline/5a3f4a9b-3bc3-4988-9579-9fea82944264:f63064594b9225f9d7dc458b0b70a646baec3339/
    DP1007.pdf
    Unlike the Michael Mann cabal, the authors of this paper and their specialist associates show all their workings in extensive appendices. Their statistics are immaculate, and their conclusions conservative. It''s the right stuff.

    A very brief summary of conclusions is at https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/10/a-new-report-throws-cold-water-on-man-made-global-warming-pseudoscience/
    and a more measured piece, once the author overcomes his amazement at Scandinavians being so forward with the truth ("No Way, Norway!"), sets the perspective on this paper''s importance at
    https://climatediscussionnexus.com/2023/10/04/no-way-norway/

    For those too slack or too mathematically handicapped to read the short article, here's the executive summary:
    "The results imply that the effect of man-made CO2 emissions does not appear to be sufficiently strong to cause systematic changes in the pattern of the temperature fluctuations. In other words, our analysis indicates that with the current level of
    knowledge, it seems impossible to determine how much of the temperature increase is due to emissions of CO2.”

    Enjoy!

    Andre Jute
    Funny how the hockey sticks disappear when you do honest statistics over relevant periods.

    The comments below the article at https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/10/a-new-report-throws-cold-water-on-man-made-global-warming-pseudoscience/
    are knowledgeable and interesting. -- AJ

    Those comments are ALL subverted short term temperature histories that do not properly show any correct data from the little ice age or the huge high temperatures which were world wide in the dust bowl years.

    I must also repeat that there is a significant problem using computer models developed by people looking for government grants rather than expanding scientific knowledge.

    The areas of absorption of CO2 is on the far tail end of the spectrum emitted from the sun. There is so little energy at this point that it is just barely above the average temperature of the sea.

    Because of the density of Earth's atmosphere, virtually 100% of the radiation absorbed at ground level is emitted via conduction and NOT radiation. CO2 therefore, has nothing to do with the temperatures in the atmosphere since the conduction of heat
    through atmospheric gases is virtually identical for all gases. Once the heated air reaches the upper stratosphere and the air is too thin to conduct properly the air molecules receive solar rations both directly from the sun and as reflection from the
    cloud layer. It is important to note that although radiation is non-directional, the level this occurs at is so high that most of it misses the earth. What's more, it has very little energy - it is not sunlight. It mostly just shows as a filter making
    the blue color in the sky.

    Over and over the question arises as to why ANYONE would be afraid of CO2 which is a fertilizer especially knowing that during the last full Ice Age that CO2 was more than 4 times what it is today?

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  • From Doug Landau@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 22 09:45:59 2023
    <snip>

    Over and over the question arises as to why ANYONE would be afraid of CO2 which is a fertilizer especially knowing that during the last full Ice Age that CO2 was more than 4 times what it is today?

    Tom. You are just not the kind of guy that that story was made up to tell to.

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  • From Tom Kunich@21:1/5 to Doug Landau on Sun Oct 22 09:54:06 2023
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 9:46:01 AM UTC-7, Doug Landau wrote:
    <snip>

    Over and over the question arises as to why ANYONE would be afraid of CO2 which is a fertilizer especially knowing that during the last full Ice Age that CO2 was more than 4 times what it is today?
    Tom. You are just not the kind of guy that that story was made up to tell to.

    I guess not., But then I designed and programmed liquid and gas chromatographs which taught me how to understand spectrometry.

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  • From Doug Landau@21:1/5 to Tom Kunich on Sun Oct 22 10:10:46 2023
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 9:54:08 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 9:46:01 AM UTC-7, Doug Landau wrote:
    <snip>

    Over and over the question arises as to why ANYONE would be afraid of CO2 which is a fertilizer especially knowing that during the last full Ice Age that CO2 was more than 4 times what it is today?
    Tom. You are just not the kind of guy that that story was made up to tell to.
    I guess not., But then I designed and programmed liquid and gas chromatographs which taught me how to understand spectrometry.

    Well I used to program image display at Spectroscopy Imaging Systems(Varian/GE). Brain scans. So I already know what yer thinkin

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  • From Andre Jute@21:1/5 to Tom Kunich on Sun Oct 22 10:52:41 2023
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 5:08:45 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:23:37 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 11:13:30 PM UTC+1, Andre Jute wrote:

    The first amazing thing about this report is that it comes from an official government Statistics Bureau in Scandinavia of all places. But then again, the Norwegians hate being lumped in with the conformist Swedes and socialist Danes.

    You don't need to read Norwegian to get the report. The link below takes you to the official English translation:
    “To what extent are temperature levels changing due to greenhouse gas emissions?”
    https://www.ssb.no/en/natur-og-miljo/forurensning-og-klima/artikler/to-what-extent-are-temperature-levels-changing-due-to-greenhouse-gas-emissions/_/attachment/inline/5a3f4a9b-3bc3-4988-9579-9fea82944264:f63064594b9225f9d7dc458b0b70a646baec3339/
    DP1007.pdf
    Unlike the Michael Mann cabal, the authors of this paper and their specialist associates show all their workings in extensive appendices. Their statistics are immaculate, and their conclusions conservative. It''s the right stuff.

    A very brief summary of conclusions is at https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/10/a-new-report-throws-cold-water-on-man-made-global-warming-pseudoscience/
    and a more measured piece, once the author overcomes his amazement at Scandinavians being so forward with the truth ("No Way, Norway!"), sets the perspective on this paper''s importance at
    https://climatediscussionnexus.com/2023/10/04/no-way-norway/

    For those too slack or too mathematically handicapped to read the short article, here's the executive summary:
    "The results imply that the effect of man-made CO2 emissions does not appear to be sufficiently strong to cause systematic changes in the pattern of the temperature fluctuations. In other words, our analysis indicates that with the current level of
    knowledge, it seems impossible to determine how much of the temperature increase is due to emissions of CO2.”

    Enjoy!

    Andre Jute
    Funny how the hockey sticks disappear when you do honest statistics over relevant periods.

    The comments below the article at https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/10/a-new-report-throws-cold-water-on-man-made-global-warming-pseudoscience/
    are knowledgeable and interesting. -- AJ

    Those comments are ALL subverted short term temperature histories that do not properly show any correct data from the little ice age or the huge high temperatures which were world wide in the dust bowl years.

    I must also repeat that there is a significant problem using computer models developed by people looking for government grants rather than expanding scientific knowledge.

    The areas of absorption of CO2 is on the far tail end of the spectrum emitted from the sun. There is so little energy at this point that it is just barely above the average temperature of the sea.

    Because of the density of Earth's atmosphere, virtually 100% of the radiation absorbed at ground level is emitted via conduction and NOT radiation. CO2 therefore, has nothing to do with the temperatures in the atmosphere since the conduction of heat
    through atmospheric gases is virtually identical for all gases. Once the heated air reaches the upper stratosphere and the air is too thin to conduct properly the air molecules receive solar rations both directly from the sun and as reflection from the
    cloud layer. It is important to note that although radiation is non-directional, the level this occurs at is so high that most of it misses the earth. What's more, it has very little energy - it is not sunlight. It mostly just shows as a filter making
    the blue color in the sky.

    Over and over the question arises as to why ANYONE would be afraid of CO2 which is a fertilizer especially knowing that during the last full Ice Age that CO2 was more than 4 times what it is today?

    The way I read the comments there, those posters were making satirical and sarcastic comments about the beliefs of the global warmies. Sorta like, "Yeahbut, whaddaya expect when you go back 420 thousand years? There weren't any people back then. So
    that proves that Global Warming is real! It was always there, as you can see in the many historic heat peaks from hundreds of thousands of years before the Industrial Revolution." If I said something as confused as that, you'd know I was ragging somone,
    because I wouldn't mean something as stupid as that (hell, that's almost down at the Krygowski-Flunky level of mindless dumbassery). Those guys commenting seem all to know each other, so there's space for a bit of humour. -- AJ


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  • From Andre Jute@21:1/5 to Doug Landau on Sun Oct 22 11:04:25 2023
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 5:46:01 PM UTC+1, Doug Landau wrote:
    <snip>

    Over and over the question arises as to why ANYONE would be afraid of CO2 which is a fertilizer especially knowing that during the last full Ice Age that CO2 was more than 4 times what it is today?

    Tom. You are just not the kind of guy that that story was made up to tell to.

    What's your problem, Doug? That's a scientific paper, not a "story made up". Their workings are all there in appendices, the references check out, the statistics are sound (which is a hell of a lot more than you can say for the global warmie clowns like
    Michael Mann), and they were working with the official statistics, same as the global warmies -- but they weren't trying, as the global warmies did, to tell and protect a profitable lie. Or, in the words of Michael Mann, "Hide the decline."

    Andre Jute
    CO2 is tree food. Global warmies are serial forest-killers.


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  • From Tom Kunich@21:1/5 to Andre Jute on Sun Oct 22 13:00:21 2023
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 10:52:43 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 5:08:45 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 3:23:37 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 11:13:30 PM UTC+1, Andre Jute wrote:

    The first amazing thing about this report is that it comes from an official government Statistics Bureau in Scandinavia of all places. But then again, the Norwegians hate being lumped in with the conformist Swedes and socialist Danes.

    You don't need to read Norwegian to get the report. The link below takes you to the official English translation:
    “To what extent are temperature levels changing due to greenhouse gas emissions?”
    https://www.ssb.no/en/natur-og-miljo/forurensning-og-klima/artikler/to-what-extent-are-temperature-levels-changing-due-to-greenhouse-gas-emissions/_/attachment/inline/5a3f4a9b-3bc3-4988-9579-9fea82944264:f63064594b9225f9d7dc458b0b70a646baec3339/
    DP1007.pdf
    Unlike the Michael Mann cabal, the authors of this paper and their specialist associates show all their workings in extensive appendices. Their statistics are immaculate, and their conclusions conservative. It''s the right stuff.

    A very brief summary of conclusions is at https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/10/a-new-report-throws-cold-water-on-man-made-global-warming-pseudoscience/
    and a more measured piece, once the author overcomes his amazement at Scandinavians being so forward with the truth ("No Way, Norway!"), sets the perspective on this paper''s importance at
    https://climatediscussionnexus.com/2023/10/04/no-way-norway/

    For those too slack or too mathematically handicapped to read the short article, here's the executive summary:
    "The results imply that the effect of man-made CO2 emissions does not appear to be sufficiently strong to cause systematic changes in the pattern of the temperature fluctuations. In other words, our analysis indicates that with the current level
    of knowledge, it seems impossible to determine how much of the temperature increase is due to emissions of CO2.”

    Enjoy!

    Andre Jute
    Funny how the hockey sticks disappear when you do honest statistics over relevant periods.

    The comments below the article at https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/10/a-new-report-throws-cold-water-on-man-made-global-warming-pseudoscience/
    are knowledgeable and interesting. -- AJ

    Those comments are ALL subverted short term temperature histories that do not properly show any correct data from the little ice age or the huge high temperatures which were world wide in the dust bowl years.

    I must also repeat that there is a significant problem using computer models developed by people looking for government grants rather than expanding scientific knowledge.

    The areas of absorption of CO2 is on the far tail end of the spectrum emitted from the sun. There is so little energy at this point that it is just barely above the average temperature of the sea.

    Because of the density of Earth's atmosphere, virtually 100% of the radiation absorbed at ground level is emitted via conduction and NOT radiation. CO2 therefore, has nothing to do with the temperatures in the atmosphere since the conduction of heat
    through atmospheric gases is virtually identical for all gases. Once the heated air reaches the upper stratosphere and the air is too thin to conduct properly the air molecules receive solar rations both directly from the sun and as reflection from the
    cloud layer. It is important to note that although radiation is non-directional, the level this occurs at is so high that most of it misses the earth. What's more, it has very little energy - it is not sunlight. It mostly just shows as a filter making
    the blue color in the sky.

    Over and over the question arises as to why ANYONE would be afraid of CO2 which is a fertilizer especially knowing that during the last full Ice Age that CO2 was more than 4 times what it is today?

    The way I read the comments there, those posters were making satirical and sarcastic comments about the beliefs of the global warmies. Sorta like, "Yeahbut, whaddaya expect when you go back 420 thousand years? There weren't any people back then. So
    that proves that Global Warming is real! It was always there, as you can see in the many historic heat peaks from hundreds of thousands of years before the Industrial Revolution." If I said something as confused as that, you'd know I was ragging somone,
    because I wouldn't mean something as stupid as that (hell, that's almost down at the Krygowski-Flunky level of mindless dumbassery). Those guys commenting seem all to know each other, so there's space for a bit of humour. -- AJ


    There were plants growing at the time of the Ice Age. And they dropped leaves now and again that were encased in things that would save them well mummified. And there is a direct correlation between the amount of CO2 in the air and proportionality of
    stomata to leaf surface area. So the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is very well known from mining Peat Bogs and Tar Pits either of which can render not just CO2 levels but Geological time.

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  • From Tom Kunich@21:1/5 to Andre Jute on Sun Oct 22 13:04:29 2023
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 11:04:27 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 5:46:01 PM UTC+1, Doug Landau wrote:
    <snip>

    Over and over the question arises as to why ANYONE would be afraid of CO2 which is a fertilizer especially knowing that during the last full Ice Age that CO2 was more than 4 times what it is today?

    Tom. You are just not the kind of guy that that story was made up to tell to.

    What's your problem, Doug? That's a scientific paper, not a "story made up". Their workings are all there in appendices, the references check out, the statistics are sound (which is a hell of a lot more than you can say for the global warmie clowns
    like Michael Mann), and they were working with the official statistics, same as the global warmies -- but they weren't trying, as the global warmies did, to tell and protect a profitable lie. Or, in the words of Michael Mann, "Hide the decline."

    Andre Jute
    CO2 is tree food. Global warmies are serial forest-killers.


    Doug is talking about MRS and MRSI or magnetic resonance spectroscopic brain imaging. While not the same thing as real Spectroscopy it can give you and idea of how it operates.

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  • From John B.@21:1/5 to doug.landau@gmail.com on Mon Oct 23 07:12:34 2023
    On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 09:45:59 -0700 (PDT), Doug Landau
    <doug.landau@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    Over and over the question arises as to why ANYONE would be afraid of CO2 which is a fertilizer especially knowing that during the last full Ice Age that CO2 was more than 4 times what it is today?

    Tom. You are just not the kind of guy that that story was made up to tell to.

    Poor old Tommy he's got it wrong yet again.

    During ice ages CO2 levels were in the region of 200 parts per
    million. Today the C02 level is in the neighborhood of 400 PPM.
    In the inter glacier periods the CO2 level was in the 280 PPM range. https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/
    more details https://new.nsf.gov/news/scientists-solve-long-standing-mystery-why

    --
    Cheers,

    John B.

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  • From Andre Jute@21:1/5 to Tom Kunich on Mon Oct 23 09:39:29 2023
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 9:04:31 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 11:04:27 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 5:46:01 PM UTC+1, Doug Landau wrote:
    <snip>

    Over and over the question arises as to why ANYONE would be afraid of CO2 which is a fertilizer especially knowing that during the last full Ice Age that CO2 was more than 4 times what it is today?

    Tom. You are just not the kind of guy that that story was made up to tell to.

    What's your problem, Doug? That's a scientific paper, not a "story made up". Their workings are all there in appendices, the references check out, the statistics are sound (which is a hell of a lot more than you can say for the global warmie clowns
    like Michael Mann), and they were working with the official statistics, same as the global warmies -- but they weren't trying, as the global warmies did, to tell and protect a profitable lie. Or, in the words of Michael Mann, "Hide the decline."

    Andre Jute
    CO2 is tree food. Global warmies are serial forest-killers.

    Doug is talking about MRS and MRSI or magnetic resonance spectroscopic brain imaging. While not the same thing as real Spectroscopy it can give you and idea of how it operates.

    I've been meaning to discover the name of the sadist who designed those clanking machines for several years now. I would refuse to accept that he could be a cyclist, except I look at some of the clowns on RBT and it soon become apparent cycling has more
    than its fair share of bad pennies. -- AJ


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  • From Andre Jute@21:1/5 to John B. on Mon Oct 23 09:44:12 2023
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 1:12:41 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 09:45:59 -0700 (PDT), Doug Landau
    <doug....@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    Over and over the question arises as to why ANYONE would be afraid of CO2 which is a fertilizer especially knowing that during the last full Ice Age that CO2 was more than 4 times what it is today?

    Tom. You are just not the kind of guy that that story was made up to tell to.
    Poor old Tommy he's got it wrong yet again.

    During ice ages CO2 levels were in the region of 200 parts per
    million. Today the C02 level is in the neighborhood of 400 PPM.
    In the inter glacier periods the CO2 level was in the 280 PPM range. https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/
    more details https://new.nsf.gov/news/scientists-solve-long-standing-mystery-why

    --
    Cheers,

    John B.

    So what, Slow Johnny. Mr Kunich merely said there were some trees growing even in ice ages, with the implication from his text, which you missed altogether, that CO2 was always plant food. Averages over centuries, which is what you found in your
    undigested googblebug, detracts nothing from what Mr Kunich said.

    Tell us, does you obsession with Mr Kunich really make you as vicious and stupid as you seem?

    Unsigned so as not to encourage a posturing fool.

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  • From Tom Kunich@21:1/5 to Andre Jute on Mon Oct 23 12:39:05 2023
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 9:44:14 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 1:12:41 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 09:45:59 -0700 (PDT), Doug Landau
    <doug....@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    Over and over the question arises as to why ANYONE would be afraid of CO2 which is a fertilizer especially knowing that during the last full Ice Age that CO2 was more than 4 times what it is today?

    Tom. You are just not the kind of guy that that story was made up to tell to.
    Poor old Tommy he's got it wrong yet again.

    During ice ages CO2 levels were in the region of 200 parts per
    million. Today the C02 level is in the neighborhood of 400 PPM.
    In the inter glacier periods the CO2 level was in the 280 PPM range. https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/
    more details https://new.nsf.gov/news/scientists-solve-long-standing-mystery-why

    --
    Cheers,

    John B.

    So what, Slow Johnny. Mr Kunich merely said there were some trees growing even in ice ages, with the implication from his text, which you missed altogether, that CO2 was always plant food. Averages over centuries, which is what you found in your
    undigested googblebug, detracts nothing from what Mr Kunich said.

    Tell us, does you obsession with Mr Kunich really make you as vicious and stupid as you seem?

    Unsigned so as not to encourage a posturing fool.

    On a good day Slocomb ALMOST reaches the level of moron. The last Ice age started about 115,000 years ago and ended about 11,000 years ago The chart here shows the time of extinction events. These events were caused by Ice Ages and as you can see there
    were even Ice Ages with CO2 levels over 5,000 ppm. When you're a stupid driver of street sweepers it isn't particularly bright to think you have a clue about anything.

    https://www.johnenglander.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/CO2%20550my%20Extinction%20Chart%20from%20Ward.jpg

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  • From Tom Kunich@21:1/5 to Andre Jute on Mon Oct 23 12:43:18 2023
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 9:44:14 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 1:12:41 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 09:45:59 -0700 (PDT), Doug Landau
    <doug....@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    Over and over the question arises as to why ANYONE would be afraid of CO2 which is a fertilizer especially knowing that during the last full Ice Age that CO2 was more than 4 times what it is today?

    Tom. You are just not the kind of guy that that story was made up to tell to.
    Poor old Tommy he's got it wrong yet again.

    During ice ages CO2 levels were in the region of 200 parts per
    million. Today the C02 level is in the neighborhood of 400 PPM.
    In the inter glacier periods the CO2 level was in the 280 PPM range. https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/
    more details https://new.nsf.gov/news/scientists-solve-long-standing-mystery-why

    --
    Cheers,

    John B.

    So what, Slow Johnny. Mr Kunich merely said there were some trees growing even in ice ages, with the implication from his text, which you missed altogether, that CO2 was always plant food. Averages over centuries, which is what you found in your
    undigested googblebug, detracts nothing from what Mr Kunich said.

    Tell us, does you obsession with Mr Kunich really make you as vicious and stupid as you seem?

    Unsigned so as not to encourage a posturing fool.

    There's no viciousness there, only ignorance to a level that is hard for a person with a normal IQ to ascertain.

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to cyclintom@gmail.com on Mon Oct 23 13:08:52 2023
    On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 12:39:05 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

    On a good day Slocomb ALMOST reaches the level of moron. The last Ice age started about 115,000 years ago and ended about 11,000 years ago The chart here shows the time of extinction events. These events were caused by Ice Ages and as you can see there
    were even Ice Ages with CO2 levels over 5,000 ppm. When you're a stupid driver of street sweepers it isn't particularly bright to think you have a clue about anything.

    https://www.johnenglander.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/CO2%20550my%20Extinction%20Chart%20from%20Ward.jpg

    Perhaps including a link to the source article, instead of just the
    graph, would be more interesting: <https://johnenglander.net/co2-levels-and-mass-extinction-events/>
    "During past periods of abrupt change - the most recent one occurring approximately 50 million years ago - it took roughly a million years
    for CO2 to change by one hundred ppm. Thus it is now changing about
    25,000 times faster than in known geologic history."


    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 23 13:12:29 2023
    On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 13:08:52 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 12:39:05 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

    On a good day Slocomb ALMOST reaches the level of moron. The last Ice age started about 115,000 years ago and ended about 11,000 years ago The chart here shows the time of extinction events. These events were caused by Ice Ages and as you can see there
    were even Ice Ages with CO2 levels over 5,000 ppm. When you're a stupid driver of street sweepers it isn't particularly bright to think you have a clue about anything.
    https://www.johnenglander.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/CO2%20550my%20Extinction%20Chart%20from%20Ward.jpg

    Perhaps including a link to the source article, instead of just the
    graph, would be more interesting: ><https://johnenglander.net/co2-levels-and-mass-extinction-events/>
    "During past periods of abrupt change - the most recent one occurring >approximately 50 million years ago - it took roughly a million years
    for CO2 to change by one hundred ppm. Thus it is now changing about
    25,000 times faster than in known geologic history."

    Andre: Sorry about posting a comment in "your" thread. I didn't
    notice this was "your" thread.

    Ummm... how do I obtain your permission to post a comment to "your"
    thread? Is email acceptable?

    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From John B.@21:1/5 to cyclintom@gmail.com on Tue Oct 24 06:02:33 2023
    On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 12:39:05 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 9:44:14?AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 1:12:41?AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 09:45:59 -0700 (PDT), Doug Landau
    <doug....@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    Over and over the question arises as to why ANYONE would be afraid of CO2 which is a fertilizer especially knowing that during the last full Ice Age that CO2 was more than 4 times what it is today?

    Tom. You are just not the kind of guy that that story was made up to tell to.
    Poor old Tommy he's got it wrong yet again.

    During ice ages CO2 levels were in the region of 200 parts per
    million. Today the C02 level is in the neighborhood of 400 PPM.
    In the inter glacier periods the CO2 level was in the 280 PPM range.
    https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/
    more details
    https://new.nsf.gov/news/scientists-solve-long-standing-mystery-why

    --
    Cheers,

    John B.

    So what, Slow Johnny. Mr Kunich merely said there were some trees growing even in ice ages, with the implication from his text, which you missed altogether, that CO2 was always plant food. Averages over centuries, which is what you found in your
    undigested googblebug, detracts nothing from what Mr Kunich said.

    Tell us, does you obsession with Mr Kunich really make you as vicious and stupid as you seem?

    Unsigned so as not to encourage a posturing fool.

    On a good day Slocomb ALMOST reaches the level of moron. The last Ice age started about 115,000 years ago and ended about 11,000 years ago The chart here shows the time of extinction events. These events were caused by Ice Ages and as you can see there
    were even Ice Ages with CO2 levels over 5,000 ppm. When you're a stupid driver of street sweepers it isn't particularly bright to think you have a clue about anything.

    and


    How strange. See https://johnenglander.net/chart-of-temperature-and-co2-400000-years/
    and https://johnenglander.net/400000-year-graphic-shows-sea-level-temperature-and-co2/
    How can ot be? That your reference varies so much from what John
    apparently has said. Can it be? That you are lying again?

    --
    Cheers,

    John B.

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  • From Andre Jute@21:1/5 to Tom Kunich on Mon Oct 23 16:13:04 2023
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 8:39:07 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 9:44:14 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 1:12:41 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 09:45:59 -0700 (PDT), Doug Landau <doug....@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    Over and over the question arises as to why ANYONE would be afraid of CO2 which is a fertilizer especially knowing that during the last full Ice Age that CO2 was more than 4 times what it is today?

    Tom. You are just not the kind of guy that that story was made up to tell to.
    Poor old Tommy he's got it wrong yet again.

    During ice ages CO2 levels were in the region of 200 parts per
    million. Today the C02 level is in the neighborhood of 400 PPM.
    In the inter glacier periods the CO2 level was in the 280 PPM range. https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/
    more details https://new.nsf.gov/news/scientists-solve-long-standing-mystery-why

    --
    Cheers,

    John B.

    So what, Slow Johnny. Mr Kunich merely said there were some trees growing even in ice ages, with the implication from his text, which you missed altogether, that CO2 was always plant food. Averages over centuries, which is what you found in your
    undigested googblebug, detracts nothing from what Mr Kunich said.

    Tell us, does you obsession with Mr Kunich really make you as vicious and stupid as you seem?

    Unsigned so as not to encourage a posturing fool.
    On a good day Slocomb ALMOST reaches the level of moron. The last Ice age started about 115,000 years ago and ended about 11,000 years ago The chart here shows the time of extinction events. These events were caused by Ice Ages and as you can see there
    were even Ice Ages with CO2 levels over 5,000 ppm. When you're a stupid driver of street sweepers it isn't particularly bright to think you have a clue about anything.

    https://www.johnenglander.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/CO2%20550my%20Extinction%20Chart%20from%20Ward.jpg

    On a historic scale, as in that image, Climate Warming looks really pisswilly. These hacks who created the Global Warming scare story were particularly poorly educated, but even they knew the looking back only a few hundred years beyond the Industrial
    Revolution would show that man has nothing to do with CO2 levels. -- AJ


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  • From John B.@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 24 07:58:53 2023
    On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 13:08:52 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 12:39:05 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

    On a good day Slocomb ALMOST reaches the level of moron. The last Ice age started about 115,000 years ago and ended about 11,000 years ago The chart here shows the time of extinction events. These events were caused by Ice Ages and as you can see there
    were even Ice Ages with CO2 levels over 5,000 ppm. When you're a stupid driver of street sweepers it isn't particularly bright to think you have a clue about anything.
    https://www.johnenglander.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/CO2%20550my%20Extinction%20Chart%20from%20Ward.jpg

    Perhaps including a link to the source article, instead of just the
    graph, would be more interesting: ><https://johnenglander.net/co2-levels-and-mass-extinction-events/>
    "During past periods of abrupt change - the most recent one occurring >approximately 50 million years ago - it took roughly a million years
    for CO2 to change by one hundred ppm. Thus it is now changing about
    25,000 times faster than in known geologic history."

    But Jeff, posting the entire article would negate his argument, and
    Tommy's (:-)

    The accepted period of the Pleistocene epoch, which includes the "Ice
    Age" is the period during which humans evolved. https://www.livescience.com/40311-pleistocene-epoch.html
    Even a casual look at the two fool's chart shows that this was a
    period of decreasing CO2 levels.

    And that current CO2 levels are well on the way to exceeding the
    levels that existed during that period

    --
    Cheers,

    John B.

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  • From Tom Kunich@21:1/5 to Andre Jute on Tue Oct 24 08:04:10 2023
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 4:13:06 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 8:39:07 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 9:44:14 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 1:12:41 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 09:45:59 -0700 (PDT), Doug Landau <doug....@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    Over and over the question arises as to why ANYONE would be afraid of CO2 which is a fertilizer especially knowing that during the last full Ice Age that CO2 was more than 4 times what it is today?

    Tom. You are just not the kind of guy that that story was made up to tell to.
    Poor old Tommy he's got it wrong yet again.

    During ice ages CO2 levels were in the region of 200 parts per million. Today the C02 level is in the neighborhood of 400 PPM.
    In the inter glacier periods the CO2 level was in the 280 PPM range. https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/
    more details https://new.nsf.gov/news/scientists-solve-long-standing-mystery-why

    --
    Cheers,

    John B.

    So what, Slow Johnny. Mr Kunich merely said there were some trees growing even in ice ages, with the implication from his text, which you missed altogether, that CO2 was always plant food. Averages over centuries, which is what you found in your
    undigested googblebug, detracts nothing from what Mr Kunich said.

    Tell us, does you obsession with Mr Kunich really make you as vicious and stupid as you seem?

    Unsigned so as not to encourage a posturing fool.
    On a good day Slocomb ALMOST reaches the level of moron. The last Ice age started about 115,000 years ago and ended about 11,000 years ago The chart here shows the time of extinction events. These events were caused by Ice Ages and as you can see
    there were even Ice Ages with CO2 levels over 5,000 ppm. When you're a stupid driver of street sweepers it isn't particularly bright to think you have a clue about anything.

    https://www.johnenglander.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/CO2%20550my%20Extinction%20Chart%20from%20Ward.jpg

    On a historic scale, as in that image, Climate Warming looks really pisswilly. These hacks who created the Global Warming scare story were particularly poorly educated, but even they knew the looking back only a few hundred years beyond the Industrial
    Revolution would show that man has nothing to do with CO2 levels. -- AJ

    That's the entire point but morons are standing in line to claim the Michael Moore misinformation despite we the emails between n him and his crew deciding to counterfeit the records. What sort of ass doesn't have the ability to look that up?

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Tom Kunich on Tue Oct 24 11:23:58 2023
    On 10/24/2023 10:04 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 4:13:06 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 8:39:07 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 9:44:14 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 1:12:41 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 09:45:59 -0700 (PDT), Doug Landau
    <doug....@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    Over and over the question arises as to why ANYONE would be afraid of CO2 which is a fertilizer especially knowing that during the last full Ice Age that CO2 was more than 4 times what it is today?

    Tom. You are just not the kind of guy that that story was made up to tell to.
    Poor old Tommy he's got it wrong yet again.

    During ice ages CO2 levels were in the region of 200 parts per
    million. Today the C02 level is in the neighborhood of 400 PPM.
    In the inter glacier periods the CO2 level was in the 280 PPM range. >>>>> https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/
    more details
    https://new.nsf.gov/news/scientists-solve-long-standing-mystery-why

    --
    Cheers,

    John B.

    So what, Slow Johnny. Mr Kunich merely said there were some trees growing even in ice ages, with the implication from his text, which you missed altogether, that CO2 was always plant food. Averages over centuries, which is what you found in your
    undigested googblebug, detracts nothing from what Mr Kunich said.

    Tell us, does you obsession with Mr Kunich really make you as vicious and stupid as you seem?

    Unsigned so as not to encourage a posturing fool.
    On a good day Slocomb ALMOST reaches the level of moron. The last Ice age started about 115,000 years ago and ended about 11,000 years ago The chart here shows the time of extinction events. These events were caused by Ice Ages and as you can see
    there were even Ice Ages with CO2 levels over 5,000 ppm. When you're a stupid driver of street sweepers it isn't particularly bright to think you have a clue about anything.

    https://www.johnenglander.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/CO2%20550my%20Extinction%20Chart%20from%20Ward.jpg

    On a historic scale, as in that image, Climate Warming looks really pisswilly. These hacks who created the Global Warming scare story were particularly poorly educated, but even they knew the looking back only a few hundred years beyond the Industrial
    Revolution would show that man has nothing to do with CO2 levels. -- AJ

    That's the entire point but morons are standing in line to claim the Michael Moore misinformation despite we the emails between n him and his crew deciding to counterfeit the records. What sort of ass doesn't have the ability to look that up?

    Acolytes of the Global Warming religious sect will say, sure
    Moore lied about the data because actual support for his
    thesis cannot be found, but 'he speaks to a larger truth'
    which means it's a lie.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Tom Kunich@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Tue Oct 24 10:47:13 2023
    On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 9:24:02 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
    On 10/24/2023 10:04 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 4:13:06 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 8:39:07 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 9:44:14 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote: >>>> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 1:12:41 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 09:45:59 -0700 (PDT), Doug Landau
    <doug....@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    Over and over the question arises as to why ANYONE would be afraid of CO2 which is a fertilizer especially knowing that during the last full Ice Age that CO2 was more than 4 times what it is today?

    Tom. You are just not the kind of guy that that story was made up to tell to.
    Poor old Tommy he's got it wrong yet again.

    During ice ages CO2 levels were in the region of 200 parts per
    million. Today the C02 level is in the neighborhood of 400 PPM.
    In the inter glacier periods the CO2 level was in the 280 PPM range. >>>>> https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/
    more details
    https://new.nsf.gov/news/scientists-solve-long-standing-mystery-why >>>>>
    --
    Cheers,

    John B.

    So what, Slow Johnny. Mr Kunich merely said there were some trees growing even in ice ages, with the implication from his text, which you missed altogether, that CO2 was always plant food. Averages over centuries, which is what you found in your
    undigested googblebug, detracts nothing from what Mr Kunich said.

    Tell us, does you obsession with Mr Kunich really make you as vicious and stupid as you seem?

    Unsigned so as not to encourage a posturing fool.
    On a good day Slocomb ALMOST reaches the level of moron. The last Ice age started about 115,000 years ago and ended about 11,000 years ago The chart here shows the time of extinction events. These events were caused by Ice Ages and as you can see
    there were even Ice Ages with CO2 levels over 5,000 ppm. When you're a stupid driver of street sweepers it isn't particularly bright to think you have a clue about anything.

    https://www.johnenglander.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/CO2%20550my%20Extinction%20Chart%20from%20Ward.jpg

    On a historic scale, as in that image, Climate Warming looks really pisswilly. These hacks who created the Global Warming scare story were particularly poorly educated, but even they knew the looking back only a few hundred years beyond the
    Industrial Revolution would show that man has nothing to do with CO2 levels. -- AJ

    That's the entire point but morons are standing in line to claim the Michael Moore misinformation despite we the emails between n him and his crew deciding to counterfeit the records. What sort of ass doesn't have the ability to look that up?
    Acolytes of the Global Warming religious sect will say, sure
    Moore lied about the data because actual support for his
    thesis cannot be found, but 'he speaks to a larger truth'
    which means it's a lie.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    a...@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

    There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that the small rise in CO2 has done anything. But the same people that are presently protesting over at Stanford that the Israeli's are killing HAMAS when it was HAMAS that started it, are the same people that
    believe with religious fervor in global warming and open borders.

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  • From Frank Krygowski@21:1/5 to John B. on Tue Oct 24 22:50:48 2023
    On 10/24/2023 6:43 PM, John B. wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 10:47:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 9:24:02?AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
    On 10/24/2023 10:04 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 4:13:06?PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 8:39:07?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 9:44:14?AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote: >>>>>>> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 1:12:41?AM UTC+1, John B. wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 09:45:59 -0700 (PDT), Doug Landau
    <doug....@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    Over and over the question arises as to why ANYONE would be afraid of CO2 which is a fertilizer especially knowing that during the last full Ice Age that CO2 was more than 4 times what it is today?

    Tom. You are just not the kind of guy that that story was made up to tell to.
    Poor old Tommy he's got it wrong yet again.

    During ice ages CO2 levels were in the region of 200 parts per >>>>>>>> million. Today the C02 level is in the neighborhood of 400 PPM. >>>>>>>> In the inter glacier periods the CO2 level was in the 280 PPM range. >>>>>>>> https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/
    more details
    https://new.nsf.gov/news/scientists-solve-long-standing-mystery-why >>>>>>>>
    --
    Cheers,

    John B.

    So what, Slow Johnny. Mr Kunich merely said there were some trees growing even in ice ages, with the implication from his text, which you missed altogether, that CO2 was always plant food. Averages over centuries, which is what you found in your
    undigested googblebug, detracts nothing from what Mr Kunich said.

    Tell us, does you obsession with Mr Kunich really make you as vicious and stupid as you seem?

    Unsigned so as not to encourage a posturing fool.
    On a good day Slocomb ALMOST reaches the level of moron. The last Ice age started about 115,000 years ago and ended about 11,000 years ago The chart here shows the time of extinction events. These events were caused by Ice Ages and as you can see
    there were even Ice Ages with CO2 levels over 5,000 ppm. When you're a stupid driver of street sweepers it isn't particularly bright to think you have a clue about anything.

    https://www.johnenglander.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/CO2%20550my%20Extinction%20Chart%20from%20Ward.jpg

    On a historic scale, as in that image, Climate Warming looks really pisswilly. These hacks who created the Global Warming scare story were particularly poorly educated, but even they knew the looking back only a few hundred years beyond the
    Industrial Revolution would show that man has nothing to do with CO2 levels. -- AJ

    That's the entire point but morons are standing in line to claim the Michael Moore misinformation despite we the emails between n him and his crew deciding to counterfeit the records. What sort of ass doesn't have the ability to look that up?
    Acolytes of the Global Warming religious sect will say, sure
    Moore lied about the data because actual support for his
    thesis cannot be found, but 'he speaks to a larger truth'
    which means it's a lie.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    a...@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

    There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that the small rise in CO2 has done anything. But the same people that are presently protesting over at Stanford that the Israeli's are killing HAMAS when it was HAMAS that started it, are the same people
    that believe with religious fervor in global warming and open borders.

    But Tommy, the glaciers are getting smaller, the ocean levels are
    rising, and perhaps it isn't CO2 levels. So tell us what is causing
    it?

    "Magic!"

    --
    - Frank Krygowski

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  • From John B.@21:1/5 to cyclintom@gmail.com on Wed Oct 25 05:43:26 2023
    On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 10:47:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 9:24:02?AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
    On 10/24/2023 10:04 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 4:13:06?PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 8:39:07?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 9:44:14?AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 1:12:41?AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 09:45:59 -0700 (PDT), Doug Landau
    <doug....@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    Over and over the question arises as to why ANYONE would be afraid of CO2 which is a fertilizer especially knowing that during the last full Ice Age that CO2 was more than 4 times what it is today?

    Tom. You are just not the kind of guy that that story was made up to tell to.
    Poor old Tommy he's got it wrong yet again.

    During ice ages CO2 levels were in the region of 200 parts per
    million. Today the C02 level is in the neighborhood of 400 PPM.
    In the inter glacier periods the CO2 level was in the 280 PPM range. >> >>>>> https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/
    more details
    https://new.nsf.gov/news/scientists-solve-long-standing-mystery-why

    --
    Cheers,

    John B.

    So what, Slow Johnny. Mr Kunich merely said there were some trees growing even in ice ages, with the implication from his text, which you missed altogether, that CO2 was always plant food. Averages over centuries, which is what you found in your
    undigested googblebug, detracts nothing from what Mr Kunich said.

    Tell us, does you obsession with Mr Kunich really make you as vicious and stupid as you seem?

    Unsigned so as not to encourage a posturing fool.
    On a good day Slocomb ALMOST reaches the level of moron. The last Ice age started about 115,000 years ago and ended about 11,000 years ago The chart here shows the time of extinction events. These events were caused by Ice Ages and as you can see
    there were even Ice Ages with CO2 levels over 5,000 ppm. When you're a stupid driver of street sweepers it isn't particularly bright to think you have a clue about anything.

    https://www.johnenglander.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/CO2%20550my%20Extinction%20Chart%20from%20Ward.jpg

    On a historic scale, as in that image, Climate Warming looks really pisswilly. These hacks who created the Global Warming scare story were particularly poorly educated, but even they knew the looking back only a few hundred years beyond the
    Industrial Revolution would show that man has nothing to do with CO2 levels. -- AJ

    That's the entire point but morons are standing in line to claim the Michael Moore misinformation despite we the emails between n him and his crew deciding to counterfeit the records. What sort of ass doesn't have the ability to look that up?
    Acolytes of the Global Warming religious sect will say, sure
    Moore lied about the data because actual support for his
    thesis cannot be found, but 'he speaks to a larger truth'
    which means it's a lie.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    a...@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

    There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that the small rise in CO2 has done anything. But the same people that are presently protesting over at Stanford that the Israeli's are killing HAMAS when it was HAMAS that started it, are the same people that
    believe with religious fervor in global warming and open borders.

    But Tommy, the glaciers are getting smaller, the ocean levels are
    rising, and perhaps it isn't CO2 levels. So tell us what is causing
    it?
    --
    Cheers,

    John B.

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  • From John B.@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Wed Oct 25 07:11:32 2023
    On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 11:23:58 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 10/24/2023 10:04 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 4:13:06?PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 8:39:07?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 9:44:14?AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 1:12:41?AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 09:45:59 -0700 (PDT), Doug Landau
    <doug....@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    Over and over the question arises as to why ANYONE would be afraid of CO2 which is a fertilizer especially knowing that during the last full Ice Age that CO2 was more than 4 times what it is today?

    Tom. You are just not the kind of guy that that story was made up to tell to.
    Poor old Tommy he's got it wrong yet again.

    During ice ages CO2 levels were in the region of 200 parts per
    million. Today the C02 level is in the neighborhood of 400 PPM.
    In the inter glacier periods the CO2 level was in the 280 PPM range. >>>>>> https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/
    more details
    https://new.nsf.gov/news/scientists-solve-long-standing-mystery-why >>>>>>
    --
    Cheers,

    John B.

    So what, Slow Johnny. Mr Kunich merely said there were some trees growing even in ice ages, with the implication from his text, which you missed altogether, that CO2 was always plant food. Averages over centuries, which is what you found in your
    undigested googblebug, detracts nothing from what Mr Kunich said.

    Tell us, does you obsession with Mr Kunich really make you as vicious and stupid as you seem?

    Unsigned so as not to encourage a posturing fool.
    On a good day Slocomb ALMOST reaches the level of moron. The last Ice age started about 115,000 years ago and ended about 11,000 years ago The chart here shows the time of extinction events. These events were caused by Ice Ages and as you can see
    there were even Ice Ages with CO2 levels over 5,000 ppm. When you're a stupid driver of street sweepers it isn't particularly bright to think you have a clue about anything.

    https://www.johnenglander.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/CO2%20550my%20Extinction%20Chart%20from%20Ward.jpg

    On a historic scale, as in that image, Climate Warming looks really pisswilly. These hacks who created the Global Warming scare story were particularly poorly educated, but even they knew the looking back only a few hundred years beyond the
    Industrial Revolution would show that man has nothing to do with CO2 levels. -- AJ

    That's the entire point but morons are standing in line to claim the Michael Moore misinformation despite we the emails between n him and his crew deciding to counterfeit the records. What sort of ass doesn't have the ability to look that up?

    Acolytes of the Global Warming religious sect will say, sure
    Moore lied about the data because actual support for his
    thesis cannot be found, but 'he speaks to a larger truth'
    which means it's a lie.

    But disregarding all the hoorah about CO2, the glaciers are getting
    smaller and the sea level is rising. What is causing it?
    --
    Cheers,

    John B.

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  • From Andre Jute@21:1/5 to Frank Krygowski on Wed Oct 25 08:54:40 2023
    On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 3:50:55 AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 10/24/2023 6:43 PM, John B. wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 10:47:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 9:24:02?AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
    On 10/24/2023 10:04 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 4:13:06?PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote: >>>>> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 8:39:07?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote: >>>>>> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 9:44:14?AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote: >>>>>>> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 1:12:41?AM UTC+1, John B. wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 09:45:59 -0700 (PDT), Doug Landau
    <doug....@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    Over and over the question arises as to why ANYONE would be afraid of CO2 which is a fertilizer especially knowing that during the last full Ice Age that CO2 was more than 4 times what it is today?

    Tom. You are just not the kind of guy that that story was made up to tell to.
    Poor old Tommy he's got it wrong yet again.

    During ice ages CO2 levels were in the region of 200 parts per >>>>>>>> million. Today the C02 level is in the neighborhood of 400 PPM. >>>>>>>> In the inter glacier periods the CO2 level was in the 280 PPM range.
    https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/
    more details
    https://new.nsf.gov/news/scientists-solve-long-standing-mystery-why >>>>>>>>
    --
    Cheers,

    John B.

    So what, Slow Johnny. Mr Kunich merely said there were some trees growing even in ice ages, with the implication from his text, which you missed altogether, that CO2 was always plant food. Averages over centuries, which is what you found in
    your undigested googblebug, detracts nothing from what Mr Kunich said.

    Tell us, does you obsession with Mr Kunich really make you as vicious and stupid as you seem?

    Unsigned so as not to encourage a posturing fool.
    On a good day Slocomb ALMOST reaches the level of moron. The last Ice age started about 115,000 years ago and ended about 11,000 years ago The chart here shows the time of extinction events. These events were caused by Ice Ages and as you can
    see there were even Ice Ages with CO2 levels over 5,000 ppm. When you're a stupid driver of street sweepers it isn't particularly bright to think you have a clue about anything.

    https://www.johnenglander.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/CO2%20550my%20Extinction%20Chart%20from%20Ward.jpg

    On a historic scale, as in that image, Climate Warming looks really pisswilly. These hacks who created the Global Warming scare story were particularly poorly educated, but even they knew the looking back only a few hundred years beyond the
    Industrial Revolution would show that man has nothing to do with CO2 levels. -- AJ

    That's the entire point but morons are standing in line to claim the Michael Moore misinformation despite we the emails between n him and his crew deciding to counterfeit the records. What sort of ass doesn't have the ability to look that up?
    Acolytes of the Global Warming religious sect will say, sure
    Moore lied about the data because actual support for his
    thesis cannot be found, but 'he speaks to a larger truth'
    which means it's a lie.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    a...@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

    There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that the small rise in CO2 has done anything. But the same people that are presently protesting over at Stanford that the Israeli's are killing HAMAS when it was HAMAS that started it, are the same people
    that believe with religious fervor in global warming and open borders.

    But Tommy, the glaciers are getting smaller, the ocean levels are
    rising, and perhaps it isn't CO2 levels. So tell us what is causing
    it?
    "Magic!"

    --
    - Frank Krygowski

    At last you get something right, Franki-boy. When Scientology has more Science in it than Global Warming, there are only two alternative explanations left for the global warmies. Most chose lies, you choose magic. For once you're making more sense than
    the rest of the lowest common denominators. Congratulations.

    Andre Jute
    Even a blind squirrel will occasionally find a rotten nut by sense of smell.


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  • From Tom Kunich@21:1/5 to Andre Jute on Wed Oct 25 10:43:11 2023
    On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 8:54:43 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 3:50:55 AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 10/24/2023 6:43 PM, John B. wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 10:47:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 9:24:02?AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
    On 10/24/2023 10:04 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 4:13:06?PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote: >>>>> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 8:39:07?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote: >>>>>> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 9:44:14?AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote: >>>>>>> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 1:12:41?AM UTC+1, John B. wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 09:45:59 -0700 (PDT), Doug Landau
    <doug....@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    Over and over the question arises as to why ANYONE would be afraid of CO2 which is a fertilizer especially knowing that during the last full Ice Age that CO2 was more than 4 times what it is today?

    Tom. You are just not the kind of guy that that story was made up to tell to.
    Poor old Tommy he's got it wrong yet again.

    During ice ages CO2 levels were in the region of 200 parts per >>>>>>>> million. Today the C02 level is in the neighborhood of 400 PPM. >>>>>>>> In the inter glacier periods the CO2 level was in the 280 PPM range.
    https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/
    more details
    https://new.nsf.gov/news/scientists-solve-long-standing-mystery-why

    --
    Cheers,

    John B.

    So what, Slow Johnny. Mr Kunich merely said there were some trees growing even in ice ages, with the implication from his text, which you missed altogether, that CO2 was always plant food. Averages over centuries, which is what you found in
    your undigested googblebug, detracts nothing from what Mr Kunich said.

    Tell us, does you obsession with Mr Kunich really make you as vicious and stupid as you seem?

    Unsigned so as not to encourage a posturing fool.
    On a good day Slocomb ALMOST reaches the level of moron. The last Ice age started about 115,000 years ago and ended about 11,000 years ago The chart here shows the time of extinction events. These events were caused by Ice Ages and as you can
    see there were even Ice Ages with CO2 levels over 5,000 ppm. When you're a stupid driver of street sweepers it isn't particularly bright to think you have a clue about anything.

    https://www.johnenglander.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/CO2%20550my%20Extinction%20Chart%20from%20Ward.jpg

    On a historic scale, as in that image, Climate Warming looks really pisswilly. These hacks who created the Global Warming scare story were particularly poorly educated, but even they knew the looking back only a few hundred years beyond the
    Industrial Revolution would show that man has nothing to do with CO2 levels. -- AJ

    That's the entire point but morons are standing in line to claim the Michael Moore misinformation despite we the emails between n him and his crew deciding to counterfeit the records. What sort of ass doesn't have the ability to look that up?
    Acolytes of the Global Warming religious sect will say, sure
    Moore lied about the data because actual support for his
    thesis cannot be found, but 'he speaks to a larger truth'
    which means it's a lie.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    a...@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

    There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that the small rise in CO2 has done anything. But the same people that are presently protesting over at Stanford that the Israeli's are killing HAMAS when it was HAMAS that started it, are the same people
    that believe with religious fervor in global warming and open borders.

    But Tommy, the glaciers are getting smaller, the ocean levels are rising, and perhaps it isn't CO2 levels. So tell us what is causing
    it?
    "Magic!"

    --
    - Frank Krygowski

    At last you get something right, Franki-boy. When Scientology has more Science in it than Global Warming, there are only two alternative explanations left for the global warmies. Most chose lies, you choose magic. For once you're making more sense than
    the rest of the lowest common denominators. Congratulations.

    Andre Jute
    Even a blind squirrel will occasionally find a rotten nut by sense of smell.



    Well at least Krygowski is on the correct track. Dumb-ass Slocomb actually believes that the glaciers are shrinking. I guess he is unaware that it is summertime and the few glaciers know enough to get some sun can be expected to shrink in the Summer and
    grow in the Winter. But being stupid that would never occur to him. As for the rest of the glaciers above the the arctic circle and below the Antarctic circle NEVER see any sunlight summer or winter and the average temperatures there are -40 degrees.
    Does warm water occasionally get flushed though the Arctic and Antarctic Oceans? Certainly, in 1868 a Portuguese trader sailed across the entirely open Arctic Ocean from Japan. In the 1950's American nuclear submarines surfaced at the North Pole in
    entirely open water of three occasions.

    The trouble with absolute morons like Slocomb is that he hasn't the slightest desire to know the truth about anything - he and Frank simply want to find some negative lies to use as weapons against the others on this group - this is because they don't
    belong here and never did so they want to get even with us for actually riding bikes and being capable of building them up. Slocomb was always a useless POS, and Krygowski was a close second.

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to cyclintom@gmail.com on Wed Oct 25 11:03:55 2023
    On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 10:43:11 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

    In the 1950's American nuclear submarines surfaced at the North Pole in entirely open water of three occasions.

    Nope. The Nautilus went under the ice and near the North Pole in Aug
    1958 but did not surface through the ice.

    In 1959, the Skate was the first to surface at the North Pole. <https://www.amphilsoc.org/exhibits/nautilus/pole.htm>
    Santa Claus was busy and not available to greet them at the pole.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Skate_(SSN-578)>
    "While the Skate was unable to surface on its first voyage to the
    pole, on 17 March 1959, she became the first submarine to surface at
    the North Pole."

    No vessel has yet been able to approach the North Pole on the surface.
    They went under the ice and surfaced through the ice.

    At the pole, the ice is 2 to 3 meters thick: <https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/north-pole/>

    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From John B.@21:1/5 to cyclintom@gmail.com on Thu Oct 26 08:06:40 2023
    On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 10:43:11 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 8:54:43?AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 3:50:55?AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote: >> > On 10/24/2023 6:43 PM, John B. wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 10:47:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 9:24:02?AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
    On 10/24/2023 10:04 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 4:13:06?PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 8:39:07?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote: >> > >>>>>> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 9:44:14?AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote: >> > >>>>>>> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 1:12:41?AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 09:45:59 -0700 (PDT), Doug Landau
    <doug....@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    Over and over the question arises as to why ANYONE would be afraid of CO2 which is a fertilizer especially knowing that during the last full Ice Age that CO2 was more than 4 times what it is today?

    Tom. You are just not the kind of guy that that story was made up to tell to.
    Poor old Tommy he's got it wrong yet again.

    During ice ages CO2 levels were in the region of 200 parts per
    million. Today the C02 level is in the neighborhood of 400 PPM. >> > >>>>>>>> In the inter glacier periods the CO2 level was in the 280 PPM range.
    https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/
    more details
    https://new.nsf.gov/news/scientists-solve-long-standing-mystery-why

    --
    Cheers,

    John B.

    So what, Slow Johnny. Mr Kunich merely said there were some trees growing even in ice ages, with the implication from his text, which you missed altogether, that CO2 was always plant food. Averages over centuries, which is what you found in
    your undigested googblebug, detracts nothing from what Mr Kunich said.

    Tell us, does you obsession with Mr Kunich really make you as vicious and stupid as you seem?

    Unsigned so as not to encourage a posturing fool.
    On a good day Slocomb ALMOST reaches the level of moron. The last Ice age started about 115,000 years ago and ended about 11,000 years ago The chart here shows the time of extinction events. These events were caused by Ice Ages and as you can
    see there were even Ice Ages with CO2 levels over 5,000 ppm. When you're a stupid driver of street sweepers it isn't particularly bright to think you have a clue about anything.

    https://www.johnenglander.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/CO2%20550my%20Extinction%20Chart%20from%20Ward.jpg

    On a historic scale, as in that image, Climate Warming looks really pisswilly. These hacks who created the Global Warming scare story were particularly poorly educated, but even they knew the looking back only a few hundred years beyond the
    Industrial Revolution would show that man has nothing to do with CO2 levels. -- AJ

    That's the entire point but morons are standing in line to claim the Michael Moore misinformation despite we the emails between n him and his crew deciding to counterfeit the records. What sort of ass doesn't have the ability to look that up?
    Acolytes of the Global Warming religious sect will say, sure
    Moore lied about the data because actual support for his
    thesis cannot be found, but 'he speaks to a larger truth'
    which means it's a lie.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    a...@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

    There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that the small rise in CO2 has done anything. But the same people that are presently protesting over at Stanford that the Israeli's are killing HAMAS when it was HAMAS that started it, are the same
    people that believe with religious fervor in global warming and open borders. >> > >
    But Tommy, the glaciers are getting smaller, the ocean levels are
    rising, and perhaps it isn't CO2 levels. So tell us what is causing
    it?
    "Magic!"

    --
    - Frank Krygowski

    At last you get something right, Franki-boy. When Scientology has more Science in it than Global Warming, there are only two alternative explanations left for the global warmies. Most chose lies, you choose magic. For once you're making more sense
    than the rest of the lowest common denominators. Congratulations.

    Andre Jute
    Even a blind squirrel will occasionally find a rotten nut by sense of smell.



    Well at least Krygowski is on the correct track. Dumb-ass Slocomb actually believes that the glaciers are shrinking. I guess he is unaware that it is summertime and the few glaciers know enough to get some sun can be expected to shrink in the Summer and
    grow in the Winter. But being stupid that would never occur to him. As for the rest of the glaciers above the the arctic circle and below the Antarctic circle NEVER see any sunlight summer or winter and the average temperatures there are -40 degrees.
    Does warm water occasionally get flushed though the Arctic and Antarctic Oceans? Certainly, in 1868 a Portuguese trader sailed across the entirely open Arctic Ocean from Japan. In the 1950's American nuclear submarines surfaced at the North Pole in
    entirely open water of three occasions.

    Re glacier: See
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/big-thaw
    which says in part, "When President Taft created Glacier National Park
    in 1910, it was home to an estimated 150 glaciers. Since then the
    number has decreased to fewer than 30, and most of those remaining
    have shrunk in area by two-thirds. Fagre predicts that within 30 years
    most if not all of the park's namesake glaciers will disappear."

    And as for open water at north pole. Yes there is, at times, open
    water in the Aortic Ocean. Called "leads". You can read all about them
    at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_(sea_ice)

    Care to provide us with more examples of your ignorance?
    --
    Cheers,

    John B.

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  • From Andre Jute@21:1/5 to John B. on Thu Oct 26 07:39:12 2023
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 2:06:47 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
    On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 10:43:11 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 8:54:43?AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 3:50:55?AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 10/24/2023 6:43 PM, John B. wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 10:47:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 9:24:02?AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
    On 10/24/2023 10:04 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 4:13:06?PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote: >> > >>>>> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 8:39:07?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 9:44:14?AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 1:12:41?AM UTC+1, John B. wrote: >> > >>>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 09:45:59 -0700 (PDT), Doug Landau
    <doug....@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    Over and over the question arises as to why ANYONE would be afraid of CO2 which is a fertilizer especially knowing that during the last full Ice Age that CO2 was more than 4 times what it is today?

    Tom. You are just not the kind of guy that that story was made up to tell to.
    Poor old Tommy he's got it wrong yet again.

    During ice ages CO2 levels were in the region of 200 parts per >> > >>>>>>>> million. Today the C02 level is in the neighborhood of 400 PPM.
    In the inter glacier periods the CO2 level was in the 280 PPM range.
    https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/
    more details
    https://new.nsf.gov/news/scientists-solve-long-standing-mystery-why

    --
    Cheers,

    John B.

    So what, Slow Johnny. Mr Kunich merely said there were some trees growing even in ice ages, with the implication from his text, which you missed altogether, that CO2 was always plant food. Averages over centuries, which is what you found
    in your undigested googblebug, detracts nothing from what Mr Kunich said.

    Tell us, does you obsession with Mr Kunich really make you as vicious and stupid as you seem?

    Unsigned so as not to encourage a posturing fool.
    On a good day Slocomb ALMOST reaches the level of moron. The last Ice age started about 115,000 years ago and ended about 11,000 years ago The chart here shows the time of extinction events. These events were caused by Ice Ages and as you
    can see there were even Ice Ages with CO2 levels over 5,000 ppm. When you're a stupid driver of street sweepers it isn't particularly bright to think you have a clue about anything.

    https://www.johnenglander.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/CO2%20550my%20Extinction%20Chart%20from%20Ward.jpg

    On a historic scale, as in that image, Climate Warming looks really pisswilly. These hacks who created the Global Warming scare story were particularly poorly educated, but even they knew the looking back only a few hundred years beyond the
    Industrial Revolution would show that man has nothing to do with CO2 levels. -- AJ

    That's the entire point but morons are standing in line to claim the Michael Moore misinformation despite we the emails between n him and his crew deciding to counterfeit the records. What sort of ass doesn't have the ability to look that up?
    Acolytes of the Global Warming religious sect will say, sure
    Moore lied about the data because actual support for his
    thesis cannot be found, but 'he speaks to a larger truth'
    which means it's a lie.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    a...@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

    There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that the small rise in CO2 has done anything. But the same people that are presently protesting over at Stanford that the Israeli's are killing HAMAS when it was HAMAS that started it, are the same
    people that believe with religious fervor in global warming and open borders.

    But Tommy, the glaciers are getting smaller, the ocean levels are
    rising, and perhaps it isn't CO2 levels. So tell us what is causing >> > > it?
    "Magic!"

    --
    - Frank Krygowski

    At last you get something right, Franki-boy. When Scientology has more Science in it than Global Warming, there are only two alternative explanations left for the global warmies. Most chose lies, you choose magic. For once you're making more sense
    than the rest of the lowest common denominators. Congratulations.

    Andre Jute
    Even a blind squirrel will occasionally find a rotten nut by sense of smell.



    Well at least Krygowski is on the correct track. Dumb-ass Slocomb actually believes that the glaciers are shrinking. I guess he is unaware that it is summertime and the few glaciers know enough to get some sun can be expected to shrink in the Summer
    and grow in the Winter. But being stupid that would never occur to him. As for the rest of the glaciers above the the arctic circle and below the Antarctic circle NEVER see any sunlight summer or winter and the average temperatures there are -40 degrees.
    Does warm water occasionally get flushed though the Arctic and Antarctic Oceans? Certainly, in 1868 a Portuguese trader sailed across the entirely open Arctic Ocean from Japan. In the 1950's American nuclear submarines surfaced at the North Pole in
    entirely open water of three occasions.
    Re glacier: See https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/big-thaw
    which says in part, "When President Taft created Glacier National Park
    in 1910, it was home to an estimated 150 glaciers. Since then the
    number has decreased to fewer than 30, and most of those remaining
    have shrunk in area by two-thirds. Fagre predicts that within 30 years
    most if not all of the park's namesake glaciers will disappear."

    And as for open water at north pole. Yes there is, at times, open
    water in the Aortic Ocean. Called "leads". You can read all about them
    at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_(sea_ice)

    Care to provide us with more examples of your ignorance?
    --
    Cheers,

    John B.

    Are you malicious or merely a stupid peasant, Slow Johnn?. There are, and have always been, glaciers disappearing while other shot up elsewhere. That is the nature of glaciers, you moron.

    Mr Kunich says sometimes a submarine can surface at the North Pole, and you find a link that says there is sometimes open water at the North Pole, and then call him a liar in your very next sentence. You're totally lacking in sophistication, aren't you?
    Stupid is as stupid does.

    Andre Jute
    I bet Slow Johnny Slowcomb tortured cats and other small animals as a child. He lacks the moral foundation to grasp it is wrong.


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  • From Tom Kunich@21:1/5 to Andre Jute on Thu Oct 26 08:16:52 2023
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 7:39:15 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 2:06:47 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
    On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 10:43:11 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 8:54:43?AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 3:50:55?AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 10/24/2023 6:43 PM, John B. wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 10:47:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 9:24:02?AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
    On 10/24/2023 10:04 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 4:13:06?PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 8:39:07?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 9:44:14?AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 1:12:41?AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 09:45:59 -0700 (PDT), Doug Landau
    <doug....@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    Over and over the question arises as to why ANYONE would be afraid of CO2 which is a fertilizer especially knowing that during the last full Ice Age that CO2 was more than 4 times what it is today?

    Tom. You are just not the kind of guy that that story was made up to tell to.
    Poor old Tommy he's got it wrong yet again.

    During ice ages CO2 levels were in the region of 200 parts per
    million. Today the C02 level is in the neighborhood of 400 PPM.
    In the inter glacier periods the CO2 level was in the 280 PPM range.
    https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/
    more details
    https://new.nsf.gov/news/scientists-solve-long-standing-mystery-why

    --
    Cheers,

    John B.

    So what, Slow Johnny. Mr Kunich merely said there were some trees growing even in ice ages, with the implication from his text, which you missed altogether, that CO2 was always plant food. Averages over centuries, which is what you found
    in your undigested googblebug, detracts nothing from what Mr Kunich said.

    Tell us, does you obsession with Mr Kunich really make you as vicious and stupid as you seem?

    Unsigned so as not to encourage a posturing fool.
    On a good day Slocomb ALMOST reaches the level of moron. The last Ice age started about 115,000 years ago and ended about 11,000 years ago The chart here shows the time of extinction events. These events were caused by Ice Ages and as you
    can see there were even Ice Ages with CO2 levels over 5,000 ppm. When you're a stupid driver of street sweepers it isn't particularly bright to think you have a clue about anything.

    https://www.johnenglander.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/CO2%20550my%20Extinction%20Chart%20from%20Ward.jpg

    On a historic scale, as in that image, Climate Warming looks really pisswilly. These hacks who created the Global Warming scare story were particularly poorly educated, but even they knew the looking back only a few hundred years beyond
    the Industrial Revolution would show that man has nothing to do with CO2 levels. -- AJ

    That's the entire point but morons are standing in line to claim the Michael Moore misinformation despite we the emails between n him and his crew deciding to counterfeit the records. What sort of ass doesn't have the ability to look that
    up?
    Acolytes of the Global Warming religious sect will say, sure
    Moore lied about the data because actual support for his
    thesis cannot be found, but 'he speaks to a larger truth'
    which means it's a lie.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    a...@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

    There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that the small rise in CO2 has done anything. But the same people that are presently protesting over at Stanford that the Israeli's are killing HAMAS when it was HAMAS that started it, are the same
    people that believe with religious fervor in global warming and open borders.

    But Tommy, the glaciers are getting smaller, the ocean levels are >> > > rising, and perhaps it isn't CO2 levels. So tell us what is causing >> > > it?
    "Magic!"

    --
    - Frank Krygowski

    At last you get something right, Franki-boy. When Scientology has more Science in it than Global Warming, there are only two alternative explanations left for the global warmies. Most chose lies, you choose magic. For once you're making more sense
    than the rest of the lowest common denominators. Congratulations.

    Andre Jute
    Even a blind squirrel will occasionally find a rotten nut by sense of smell.



    Well at least Krygowski is on the correct track. Dumb-ass Slocomb actually believes that the glaciers are shrinking. I guess he is unaware that it is summertime and the few glaciers know enough to get some sun can be expected to shrink in the Summer
    and grow in the Winter. But being stupid that would never occur to him. As for the rest of the glaciers above the the arctic circle and below the Antarctic circle NEVER see any sunlight summer or winter and the average temperatures there are -40 degrees.
    Does warm water occasionally get flushed though the Arctic and Antarctic Oceans? Certainly, in 1868 a Portuguese trader sailed across the entirely open Arctic Ocean from Japan. In the 1950's American nuclear submarines surfaced at the North Pole in
    entirely open water of three occasions.
    Re glacier: See https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/big-thaw
    which says in part, "When President Taft created Glacier National Park
    in 1910, it was home to an estimated 150 glaciers. Since then the
    number has decreased to fewer than 30, and most of those remaining
    have shrunk in area by two-thirds. Fagre predicts that within 30 years most if not all of the park's namesake glaciers will disappear."

    And as for open water at north pole. Yes there is, at times, open
    water in the Aortic Ocean. Called "leads". You can read all about them
    at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_(sea_ice)

    Care to provide us with more examples of your ignorance?
    --
    Cheers,

    John B.

    Are you malicious or merely a stupid peasant, Slow Johnn?. There are, and have always been, glaciers disappearing while other shot up elsewhere. That is the nature of glaciers, you moron.

    Mr Kunich says sometimes a submarine can surface at the North Pole, and you find a link that says there is sometimes open water at the North Pole, and then call him a liar in your very next sentence. You're totally lacking in sophistication, aren't you?
    Stupid is as stupid does.

    Andre Jute
    I bet Slow Johnny Slowcomb tortured cats and other small animals as a child. He lacks the moral foundation to grasp it is wrong.

    The pure ignorance of Slocomb is outing all of the time. Between him and Liebermann they absolutely have to be experts at everything and when they aren't they simply lie about it.

    https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/706.png

    This is the USS Skate and the USS Sharkfin at the north pole.

    These two simply have a violent need to be the experts at everything despite knowing nothing. Slocomb is a low IQ type that for years would cite the misinformation published on Google as fact while Liebermann would find the information that was "
    inconvenient" for his position and so he would purposely seek misinformation so that he could pretend to be an expert. I simply cannot understand someone who could not be employed in the hottest job market in the entire world in which normal technicians
    were being promoted to engineers every day because of the shortage of engineers pretending to be a "real" engineer because he had a piece of paper. Despite the fact that he could not get ONE descent job reference.

    Watching Scharf and Krygowski pandering to them despite the fact that neither of them have the ability to engineer anything is rather ludicrous. I did a LOT more mechanical engineering that Krygowski ever managed and Scharf's comments about a battery
    charger put him in the ranks of a mediocre engineer if indeed his comments came from him and not some other mediocre engineer he is a technician for.

    The world changes all of the time and CO2 has absolutely nothing to do with it. Glaciers come and go. The pretense that because during the recovery from the Little Ice Age that there were glaciers that have since disappeared means nothing at all. I
    explained to these nitwits cyclic variations in the climate. This is backed up by dozens and dozens of university studies many of which are available on Youtube.

    When you don't understand the least thing about CO2 exactly how could you make an informed comment? Instead from the Stupid 4 we get not just uninformed comments but purposeful misinformation designed strictly to make themselves feel intelligent.

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to cyclintom@gmail.com on Thu Oct 26 09:36:18 2023
    On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 08:16:52 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/706.png
    This is the USS Skate and the USS Sharkfin at the north pole.

    Yep. That was in Aug 1962, not "the 1950's" as you claimed:
    "In the 1950's American nuclear submarines surfaced at the North Pole
    in entirely open water of three occasions."

    It was the Skate and the Seadragon, not Sharkfin. <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Skate_and_Seadragon_at_NP_August_1962.jpg>
    "The USS Skate (SSN-578), background, and her sister submarine, USS
    Seadragon (SSN-584), rendezvous at the North Pole in August 1962 (US
    Navy photo)."

    It doesn't look like "entirely open water" as there are still a few
    floating ice cubes visible.




    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From Doug Landau@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 26 16:07:10 2023
    The way I read the comments there, those posters were making satirical and sarcastic comments about the beliefs of the global warmies. Sorta like, "Yeahbut, whaddaya expect when you go back 420 thousand years? There weren't any people back then. So
    that proves that Global Warming is real! It was always there, as you can see in the many historic heat peaks from hundreds of thousands of years before the Industrial Revolution." If I said something as confused as that, you'd know I was ragging somone,
    because I wouldn't mean something as stupid as that (hell, that's almost down at the Krygowski-Flunky level of mindless dumbassery). Those guys commenting seem all to know each other, so there's space for a bit of humour. -- AJ


    The important thing here is 420.

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  • From Doug Landau@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 26 16:08:55 2023
    Doug is talking about MRS and MRSI or magnetic resonance spectroscopic brain imaging. While not the same thing as real Spectroscopy it can give you and idea of how it operates.

    MRI is a real form of spectroscopy

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  • From Doug Landau@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 26 16:14:19 2023
    My problem??? With your article?? I liked it, myself.

    The idea of man-made global warming is pure hubris. A flea, doing the backstroke down the river, crying "rIse the drawbridge"

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  • From Doug Landau@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 26 16:17:47 2023
    Uh.. pisswilly?

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  • From Radey Shouman@21:1/5 to Doug Landau on Thu Oct 26 19:45:23 2023
    Doug Landau <doug.landau@gmail.com> writes:

    Doug is talking about MRS and MRSI or magnetic resonance
    spectroscopic brain imaging. While not the same thing as real
    Spectroscopy it can give you and idea of how it operates.

    MRI is a real form of spectroscopy

    True. What is "real spectroscopy"? Mass spectroscopy? Raman
    spectroscopy? Electron energy loss spectroscopy?

    --

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  • From Tom Kunich@21:1/5 to Doug Landau on Thu Oct 26 17:02:15 2023
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 4:08:57 PM UTC-7, Doug Landau wrote:
    Doug is talking about MRS and MRSI or magnetic resonance spectroscopic brain imaging. While not the same thing as real Spectroscopy it can give you and idea of how it operates.
    MRI is a real form of spectroscopy
    Technically spectroscopy is in the light spectrum. MRI is far above that and rather than isolating frequencies of light looks at chemical reactions to X-ray frequencies. Same thing but used in a different manner. Chromatography looks at the frequencies
    of light that are absorbed by various gases or liquids.

    But MRI really looks more at density than chemical reactions. It is those reactions that appear on your scan as changes in density.

    In relation to Sunlight, the frequency at which CO2 absorbs is almost at ground temperature. In terms of Kelvin there is a lot of energy there but in terms of the Centigrade there is hardly a measurable difference. Hence, energy at ground level doesn't
    radiate - it is carried to the upper stratosphere via conduction. All atmospheric gases conduct energy at almost identical rates.

    You have to be extremely careful of that bullshit NASA and NOAA charts. While they are showing a large amount of radiation, that is almost entirely from the reflected radiation from the clouds. The real "greenhouse gas" is the water content of the
    atmosphere which is pretty high on average.

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  • From Tom Kunich@21:1/5 to Radey Shouman on Thu Oct 26 17:06:26 2023
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 4:45:28 PM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
    Doug Landau <doug....@gmail.com> writes:

    Doug is talking about MRS and MRSI or magnetic resonance
    spectroscopic brain imaging. While not the same thing as real
    Spectroscopy it can give you and idea of how it operates.

    MRI is a real form of spectroscopy
    True. What is "real spectroscopy"? Mass spectroscopy? Raman
    spectroscopy? Electron energy loss spectroscopy?

    --
    Essentially it is all spectroscopy but used in different manners. Chromatography is the visible spectrum of light. CO2 doesn't absorb visible light and virtually ALL of the energy in Sunlight is in the Ultra-Violet and visible light spectrum.

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Doug Landau on Thu Oct 26 19:17:09 2023
    On 10/26/2023 6:07 PM, Doug Landau wrote:

    The way I read the comments there, those posters were making satirical and sarcastic comments about the beliefs of the global warmies. Sorta like, "Yeahbut, whaddaya expect when you go back 420 thousand years? There weren't any people back then. So
    that proves that Global Warming is real! It was always there, as you can see in the many historic heat peaks from hundreds of thousands of years before the Industrial Revolution." If I said something as confused as that, you'd know I was ragging somone,
    because I wouldn't mean something as stupid as that (hell, that's almost down at the Krygowski-Flunky level of mindless dumbassery). Those guys commenting seem all to know each other, so there's space for a bit of humour. -- AJ


    The important thing here is 420.

    Hitler's birthday? What?
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Doug Landau@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Thu Oct 26 17:24:14 2023
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 5:17:14 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 6:07 PM, Doug Landau wrote:

    The way I read the comments there, those posters were making satirical and sarcastic comments about the beliefs of the global warmies. Sorta like, "Yeahbut, whaddaya expect when you go back 420 thousand years? There weren't any people back then. So
    that proves that Global Warming is real! It was always there, as you can see in the many historic heat peaks from hundreds of thousands of years before the Industrial Revolution." If I said something as confused as that, you'd know I was ragging somone,
    because I wouldn't mean something as stupid as that (hell, that's almost down at the Krygowski-Flunky level of mindless dumbassery). Those guys commenting seem all to know each other, so there's space for a bit of humour. -- AJ


    The important thing here is 420.
    Hitler's birthday? What?

    Hey. Do you know what's at the bottom of the English Channel, and underneath Greenland ice?
    Stone walls. Built by stoned stoneworkers.

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  • From Tom Kunich@21:1/5 to Andre Jute on Thu Oct 26 17:19:31 2023
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 7:39:15 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 2:06:47 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
    On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 10:43:11 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 8:54:43?AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 3:50:55?AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 10/24/2023 6:43 PM, John B. wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 10:47:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 9:24:02?AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
    On 10/24/2023 10:04 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 4:13:06?PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 8:39:07?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 9:44:14?AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 1:12:41?AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 09:45:59 -0700 (PDT), Doug Landau
    <doug....@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    Over and over the question arises as to why ANYONE would be afraid of CO2 which is a fertilizer especially knowing that during the last full Ice Age that CO2 was more than 4 times what it is today?

    Tom. You are just not the kind of guy that that story was made up to tell to.
    Poor old Tommy he's got it wrong yet again.

    During ice ages CO2 levels were in the region of 200 parts per
    million. Today the C02 level is in the neighborhood of 400 PPM.
    In the inter glacier periods the CO2 level was in the 280 PPM range.
    https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/
    more details
    https://new.nsf.gov/news/scientists-solve-long-standing-mystery-why

    --
    Cheers,

    John B.

    So what, Slow Johnny. Mr Kunich merely said there were some trees growing even in ice ages, with the implication from his text, which you missed altogether, that CO2 was always plant food. Averages over centuries, which is what you found
    in your undigested googblebug, detracts nothing from what Mr Kunich said.

    Tell us, does you obsession with Mr Kunich really make you as vicious and stupid as you seem?

    Unsigned so as not to encourage a posturing fool.
    On a good day Slocomb ALMOST reaches the level of moron. The last Ice age started about 115,000 years ago and ended about 11,000 years ago The chart here shows the time of extinction events. These events were caused by Ice Ages and as you
    can see there were even Ice Ages with CO2 levels over 5,000 ppm. When you're a stupid driver of street sweepers it isn't particularly bright to think you have a clue about anything.

    https://www.johnenglander.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/CO2%20550my%20Extinction%20Chart%20from%20Ward.jpg

    On a historic scale, as in that image, Climate Warming looks really pisswilly. These hacks who created the Global Warming scare story were particularly poorly educated, but even they knew the looking back only a few hundred years beyond
    the Industrial Revolution would show that man has nothing to do with CO2 levels. -- AJ

    That's the entire point but morons are standing in line to claim the Michael Moore misinformation despite we the emails between n him and his crew deciding to counterfeit the records. What sort of ass doesn't have the ability to look that
    up?
    Acolytes of the Global Warming religious sect will say, sure
    Moore lied about the data because actual support for his
    thesis cannot be found, but 'he speaks to a larger truth'
    which means it's a lie.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    a...@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

    There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that the small rise in CO2 has done anything. But the same people that are presently protesting over at Stanford that the Israeli's are killing HAMAS when it was HAMAS that started it, are the same
    people that believe with religious fervor in global warming and open borders.

    But Tommy, the glaciers are getting smaller, the ocean levels are >> > > rising, and perhaps it isn't CO2 levels. So tell us what is causing >> > > it?
    "Magic!"

    --
    - Frank Krygowski

    At last you get something right, Franki-boy. When Scientology has more Science in it than Global Warming, there are only two alternative explanations left for the global warmies. Most chose lies, you choose magic. For once you're making more sense
    than the rest of the lowest common denominators. Congratulations.

    Andre Jute
    Even a blind squirrel will occasionally find a rotten nut by sense of smell.



    Well at least Krygowski is on the correct track. Dumb-ass Slocomb actually believes that the glaciers are shrinking. I guess he is unaware that it is summertime and the few glaciers know enough to get some sun can be expected to shrink in the Summer
    and grow in the Winter. But being stupid that would never occur to him. As for the rest of the glaciers above the the arctic circle and below the Antarctic circle NEVER see any sunlight summer or winter and the average temperatures there are -40 degrees.
    Does warm water occasionally get flushed though the Arctic and Antarctic Oceans? Certainly, in 1868 a Portuguese trader sailed across the entirely open Arctic Ocean from Japan. In the 1950's American nuclear submarines surfaced at the North Pole in
    entirely open water of three occasions.
    Re glacier: See https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/big-thaw
    which says in part, "When President Taft created Glacier National Park
    in 1910, it was home to an estimated 150 glaciers. Since then the
    number has decreased to fewer than 30, and most of those remaining
    have shrunk in area by two-thirds. Fagre predicts that within 30 years most if not all of the park's namesake glaciers will disappear."

    And as for open water at north pole. Yes there is, at times, open
    water in the Aortic Ocean. Called "leads". You can read all about them
    at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_(sea_ice)

    Care to provide us with more examples of your ignorance?
    --
    Cheers,

    John B.

    Are you malicious or merely a stupid peasant, Slow Johnn?. There are, and have always been, glaciers disappearing while other shot up elsewhere. That is the nature of glaciers, you moron.

    Mr Kunich says sometimes a submarine can surface at the North Pole, and you find a link that says there is sometimes open water at the North Pole, and then call him a liar in your very next sentence. You're totally lacking in sophistication, aren't you?
    Stupid is as stupid does.

    Andre Jute
    I bet Slow Johnny Slowcomb tortured cats and other small animals as a child. He lacks the moral foundation to grasp it is wrong.

    By the way, the internet is filled with misinformation that the stupid 5 are more than willing to lap up. On the way across that Arctic Ocean the USS Skate surfaced a number of times to test the ice thickness and gauge whether surfacing at the North Pole
    would be practical. That is where most of those pictures of submarines surrounded by ice come from. The ACTUAL photo of the North Pole surfacing us here: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/402650022935117832/

    I'm sure that there is nothing that Liebermann would rather lie about, but then he has a serious mental requirement to be the smartest man in the room despite never actually be able to hold a job doing anything but changing ink cartridge's for people
    more stupid than he is. Or changing computer boards like hard memories as if you couldn't tell missing bits means that there are memory errors.

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  • From Doug Landau@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Thu Oct 26 17:26:25 2023
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 5:17:14 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 6:07 PM, Doug Landau wrote:

    The way I read the comments there, those posters were making satirical and sarcastic comments about the beliefs of the global warmies. Sorta like, "Yeahbut, whaddaya expect when you go back 420 thousand years? There weren't any people back then. So
    that proves that Global Warming is real! It was always there, as you can see in the many historic heat peaks from hundreds of thousands of years before the Industrial Revolution." If I said something as confused as that, you'd know I was ragging somone,
    because I wouldn't mean something as stupid as that (hell, that's almost down at the Krygowski-Flunky level of mindless dumbassery). Those guys commenting seem all to know each other, so there's space for a bit of humour. -- AJ


    The important thing here is 420.
    Hitler's birthday? What?

    well if there is anything of import here it is certainly not the -other- things Andre says

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to cyclintom@gmail.com on Thu Oct 26 18:27:59 2023
    On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 17:19:31 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

    On the way across that Arctic Ocean the USS Skate surfaced a number of times to test the ice thickness and gauge whether surfacing at the North Pole would be practical. That is where most of those pictures of submarines surrounded by ice come from. The
    ACTUAL photo of the North Pole surfacing us here: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/402650022935117832/

    Nice photo. Perhaps some background might be worthwhile. It seems
    that the North Pole was mostly ice free during some years and ice
    bound during other years:
    "Ice at the North Pole in 1958 and 1959 - not so thick" <https://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/26/ice-at-the-north-pole-in-1958-not-so-thick/>
    The web site belongs to Anthony Watts, who's beliefs on climate change
    are similar to yours:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Watts_(blogger)>
    One might suspect that his opinions are swayed by his sponsor, the
    Heartland Institute.

    Pick a Fact Check site: <https://www.google.com/search?q=fact+check+anthony+watts>

    Depending on the source, the North Pole is expected to be ice free in
    summer somewhere between 2030 and 2050. Pick your favorite source and
    article:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_sea_ice_decline> <https://www.google.com/search?q=north+pole+ice+free>

    Incidentally, the North Pole did not surface. It was the various
    submarines that were photographed after surfacing.

    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to cyclintom@gmail.com on Thu Oct 26 19:01:14 2023
    On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 17:06:26 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

    Chromatography is the visible spectrum of light.

    Wrong.

    "What is Chromatography and How Does it Work?" <https://www.thermofisher.com/blog/ask-a-scientist/what-is-chromatography/> "Chromatography is a process for separating components of a mixture." "Chromatography gets its name from a technique first used in the late
    19th century to separate pigments in a complex mixture."
    "Chromatography was initially used by artists, color theorists and
    artisans hoping to perfect industrial dyes for textiles."

    It's also not just the visible colors but can also be used in the UV
    region:
    <https://www.iconsci.com/what-is-a-uv-detector/>
    "UV detectors are nondestructive chromatography detectors that measure
    the amount of ultraviolet or visible light that is absorbed by
    components of a mixture being eluted off the chromatography column."

    Also in the IR region: <https://www.chromatographytoday.com/news/gc-mdgc/32/breaking-news/how-is-gc-ir-used/57181>


    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Jeff Liebermann on Fri Oct 27 08:22:32 2023
    On 10/26/2023 8:27 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 17:19:31 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

    On the way across that Arctic Ocean the USS Skate surfaced a number of times to test the ice thickness and gauge whether surfacing at the North Pole would be practical. That is where most of those pictures of submarines surrounded by ice come from.
    The ACTUAL photo of the North Pole surfacing us here: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/402650022935117832/

    Nice photo. Perhaps some background might be worthwhile. It seems
    that the North Pole was mostly ice free during some years and ice
    bound during other years:
    "Ice at the North Pole in 1958 and 1959 - not so thick" <https://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/26/ice-at-the-north-pole-in-1958-not-so-thick/>
    The web site belongs to Anthony Watts, who's beliefs on climate change
    are similar to yours:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Watts_(blogger)>
    One might suspect that his opinions are swayed by his sponsor, the
    Heartland Institute.

    Pick a Fact Check site: <https://www.google.com/search?q=fact+check+anthony+watts>

    Depending on the source, the North Pole is expected to be ice free in
    summer somewhere between 2030 and 2050. Pick your favorite source and article:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_sea_ice_decline> <https://www.google.com/search?q=north+pole+ice+free>

    Incidentally, the North Pole did not surface. It was the various
    submarines that were photographed after surfacing.

    "the North Pole is expected to be ice free in
    summer somewhere between 2030 and 2050."

    And I'm told first snow here will be Tuesday. Or not.


    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Tom Kunich@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Fri Oct 27 07:37:26 2023
    On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 6:22:36 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 8:27 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 17:19:31 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On the way across that Arctic Ocean the USS Skate surfaced a number of times to test the ice thickness and gauge whether surfacing at the North Pole would be practical. That is where most of those pictures of submarines surrounded by ice come from.
    The ACTUAL photo of the North Pole surfacing us here: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/402650022935117832/

    Nice photo. Perhaps some background might be worthwhile. It seems
    that the North Pole was mostly ice free during some years and ice
    bound during other years:
    "Ice at the North Pole in 1958 and 1959 - not so thick" <https://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/26/ice-at-the-north-pole-in-1958-not-so-thick/>
    The web site belongs to Anthony Watts, who's beliefs on climate change
    are similar to yours: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Watts_(blogger)>
    One might suspect that his opinions are swayed by his sponsor, the Heartland Institute.

    Pick a Fact Check site: <https://www.google.com/search?q=fact+check+anthony+watts>

    Depending on the source, the North Pole is expected to be ice free in summer somewhere between 2030 and 2050. Pick your favorite source and article:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_sea_ice_decline> <https://www.google.com/search?q=north+pole+ice+free>

    Incidentally, the North Pole did not surface. It was the various submarines that were photographed after surfacing.

    "the North Pole is expected to be ice free in
    summer somewhere between 2030 and 2050."
    And I'm told first snow here will be Tuesday. Or not.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    a...@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

    It appears that like I said elsewhere that Liebermann has an emotional need to lie about anything that he had lied about in the past. The fact that there has been thin ice and in the case of the Portuguese trader one year there was almost NO ice a
    hundred years before the supposed global warming caused by increasing CO2 demonstrates clearly that there isn't anything that Liebermann won't force himself onto us as an expert.

    With photographic proof he still denies that in fact he knows nothing at all about the climate or in fact almost everything he has spoken about.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with not knowing about subjects. So why does Liebermann carry on? What is his need to be looked on as an expert when he lived his entire life as not-an-expert?

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Fri Oct 27 07:41:51 2023
    On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 08:22:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 8:27 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 17:19:31 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

    The ACTUAL photo of the North Pole surfacing us here: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/402650022935117832/

    Incidentally, the North Pole did not surface. It was the various
    submarines that were photographed after surfacing.

    "the North Pole is expected to be ice free in
    summer somewhere between 2030 and 2050."

    And I'm told first snow here will be Tuesday. Or not.

    Hopefully, the ground will not rise to meet the snow per Tom's
    submarine description. However, if it happens, please take some
    ACTUAL photos.

    38F now in Santa Cruz CA. It's not cold enough yet to snow, but it's
    trying. NWS has issued fire and high wind warnings of 20 to 30 mph
    for Saturday and Sunday which will likely be accompanied by power
    outages. Meanwhile, my steel wood burner is partly disassembled and
    awaiting time for me to flux weld a crack and other repairs. <https://photos.app.goo.gl/LLYM5DPaHAUMhM8z5>

    What else can go wrong?


    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Jeff Liebermann on Fri Oct 27 10:12:11 2023
    On 10/27/2023 9:41 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 08:22:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 8:27 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 17:19:31 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

    The ACTUAL photo of the North Pole surfacing us here: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/402650022935117832/

    Incidentally, the North Pole did not surface. It was the various
    submarines that were photographed after surfacing.

    "the North Pole is expected to be ice free in
    summer somewhere between 2030 and 2050."

    And I'm told first snow here will be Tuesday. Or not.

    Hopefully, the ground will not rise to meet the snow per Tom's
    submarine description. However, if it happens, please take some
    ACTUAL photos.

    38F now in Santa Cruz CA. It's not cold enough yet to snow, but it's
    trying. NWS has issued fire and high wind warnings of 20 to 30 mph
    for Saturday and Sunday which will likely be accompanied by power
    outages. Meanwhile, my steel wood burner is partly disassembled and
    awaiting time for me to flux weld a crack and other repairs. <https://photos.app.goo.gl/LLYM5DPaHAUMhM8z5>

    What else can go wrong?



    Zombie apocalypse.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Tom Kunich@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Fri Oct 27 08:17:49 2023
    On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:12:15 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
    On 10/27/2023 9:41 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 08:22:32 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 8:27 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 17:19:31 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

    The ACTUAL photo of the North Pole surfacing us here: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/402650022935117832/

    Incidentally, the North Pole did not surface. It was the various
    submarines that were photographed after surfacing.

    "the North Pole is expected to be ice free in
    summer somewhere between 2030 and 2050."

    And I'm told first snow here will be Tuesday. Or not.

    Hopefully, the ground will not rise to meet the snow per Tom's
    submarine description. However, if it happens, please take some
    ACTUAL photos.

    38F now in Santa Cruz CA. It's not cold enough yet to snow, but it's trying. NWS has issued fire and high wind warnings of 20 to 30 mph
    for Saturday and Sunday which will likely be accompanied by power
    outages. Meanwhile, my steel wood burner is partly disassembled and awaiting time for me to flux weld a crack and other repairs. <https://photos.app.goo.gl/LLYM5DPaHAUMhM8z5>

    What else can go wrong?


    Zombie apocalypse.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    a...@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971
    Which is precisely what Liebermann is attempting to convince people he is an expert on. Where precisely did I claim that the land was going to rise? Just another example of Liebermann lying because he believes he might gain from it.

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  • From Radey Shouman@21:1/5 to Jeff Liebermann on Fri Oct 27 11:29:57 2023
    Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> writes:

    On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 08:22:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 8:27 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 17:19:31 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

    The ACTUAL photo of the North Pole surfacing us here: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/402650022935117832/

    Incidentally, the North Pole did not surface. It was the various
    submarines that were photographed after surfacing.

    "the North Pole is expected to be ice free in
    summer somewhere between 2030 and 2050."

    And I'm told first snow here will be Tuesday. Or not.

    Hopefully, the ground will not rise to meet the snow per Tom's
    submarine description. However, if it happens, please take some
    ACTUAL photos.

    38F now in Santa Cruz CA. It's not cold enough yet to snow, but it's
    trying. NWS has issued fire and high wind warnings of 20 to 30 mph
    for Saturday and Sunday which will likely be accompanied by power
    outages. Meanwhile, my steel wood burner is partly disassembled and
    awaiting time for me to flux weld a crack and other repairs. <https://photos.app.goo.gl/LLYM5DPaHAUMhM8z5>

    A balmy 78F here in yankee land. Nice day for a ride. We're supposed
    to have frost next week, which seems plausible.

    One trouble with climate doomers is that they rely on numerical
    predictions that have never demonstrated any skill in prediction at all.
    Short term weather forecasters do make skilled predictions, although
    they are clearly not perfect. As some sage once said, "Prediction is
    hard, especially about the future."

    --

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to cyclintom@gmail.com on Fri Oct 27 09:00:57 2023
    On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 08:17:49 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:12:15?AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
    On 10/27/2023 9:41 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 08:22:32 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >> >
    On 10/26/2023 8:27 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 17:19:31 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

    The ACTUAL photo of the North Pole surfacing us here: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/402650022935117832/

    Incidentally, the North Pole did not surface. It was the various
    submarines that were photographed after surfacing.

    "the North Pole is expected to be ice free in
    summer somewhere between 2030 and 2050."

    And I'm told first snow here will be Tuesday. Or not.

    Hopefully, the ground will not rise to meet the snow per Tom's
    submarine description. However, if it happens, please take some
    ACTUAL photos.

    38F now in Santa Cruz CA. It's not cold enough yet to snow, but it's
    trying. NWS has issued fire and high wind warnings of 20 to 30 mph
    for Saturday and Sunday which will likely be accompanied by power
    outages. Meanwhile, my steel wood burner is partly disassembled and
    awaiting time for me to flux weld a crack and other repairs.
    <https://photos.app.goo.gl/LLYM5DPaHAUMhM8z5>

    What else can go wrong?


    Zombie apocalypse.

    My wood burner is rated for burring wood not zombies. However,
    mummies might work.

    Where precisely did I claim that the land was going to rise?

    Tom: You wrote:
    "The ACTUAL photo of the North Pole surfacing us here: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/402650022935117832/"
    The North Pole does not surface. A submarine surfaces.

    Just another example of Liebermann lying because he believes he might gain from it.

    Gain what? Fame and fortune perhaps? I'm certainly not seeking fame
    and I'm not asking for money to provide you with something to complain
    about.

    Incidentally, I suggest you be careful with how you use Pinterest.
    "Privacy Evaluation for Pinterest 63% Warning..." <https://privacy.commonsense.org/evaluation/Pinterest>
    I also use Pinterest, which I suspect is responsible for my browsing preferences landing in the hands of advertisers and spammers. At some
    point in the past, you complained that your personal information was
    found all over the internet. Pinterest is one likely source.




    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From Andre Jute@21:1/5 to Doug Landau on Fri Oct 27 17:11:16 2023
    On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 12:17:49 AM UTC+1, Doug Landau wrote:
    Uh.. pisswilly?

    Pisswilly is a contemptuous manner of saying with minimum expenditure of breath that something is minuscule and described as large only by fellows comparing it to their dicks. -- AJ


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  • From Andre Jute@21:1/5 to Doug Landau on Fri Oct 27 17:24:08 2023
    On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 12:07:13 AM UTC+1, Doug Landau wrote:

    Actually, I think I wrote this:

    The way I read the comments there, those posters were making satirical and sarcastic comments about the beliefs of the global warmies. Sorta like, "Yeahbut, whaddaya expect when you go back 420 thousand years? There weren't any people back then. So
    that proves that Global Warming is real! It was always there, as you can see in the many historic heat peaks from hundreds of thousands of years before the Industrial Revolution." If I said something as confused as that, you'd know I was ragging somone,
    because I wouldn't mean something as stupid as that (hell, that's almost down at the Krygowski-Flunky level of mindless dumbassery). Those guys commenting seem all to know each other, so there's space for a bit of humour. -- AJ

    The important thing here is 420.

    Exactly. Ice cores are the hardest scientific evidence of all the inputs into the Global Warming Hoax. But even that Fat Al Gore got wrong, totally upside down. If you have his video, check the bit where he explains how CO2 rise causes Warming, when the
    ice core information he showed on the huge graph behind him showed temperature rise led CO2 increases by around 700 years. Conclusion, CO2 doesn't cause warming, but warming releases CO2. I'm not surprised his handlers kept all but the lapdogs among the
    press out, in some cases violently. -- AJ


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  • From Andre Jute@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Fri Oct 27 17:35:31 2023
    On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 1:17:14 AM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 6:07 PM, Doug Landau wrote:

    The way I read the comments there, those posters were making satirical and sarcastic comments about the beliefs of the global warmies. Sorta like, "Yeahbut, whaddaya expect when you go back 420 thousand years? There weren't any people back then. So
    that proves that Global Warming is real! It was always there, as you can see in the many historic heat peaks from hundreds of thousands of years before the Industrial Revolution." If I said something as confused as that, you'd know I was ragging somone,
    because I wouldn't mean something as stupid as that (hell, that's almost down at the Krygowski-Flunky level of mindless dumbassery). Those guys commenting seem all to know each other, so there's space for a bit of humour. -- AJ


    The important thing here is 420.
    Hitler's birthday? What?
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    a...@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

    Actually, I wrote the longer paragraph above, Andrew, and Doug pointed out that 420,000 years of unimpeachable data trumps (deliberate pun to rub the noses of the warmies in it) a few centuries of tree rings on mostly unsuitable strip bark trees (that's
    what Michael Mann then put through the meat grinder of his statistical ignorance or crookery to extract his notorious, discredited hockey stick) or a single, lonely, Siberian tree, about whose tree rings a British clown tried to rebuild the warmie lie.
    So "420" is dog whistle to the warmies. Doug may of course have another explanation of equal value or higher debating probity. -- AJ

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  • From Andre Jute@21:1/5 to Doug Landau on Fri Oct 27 17:50:18 2023
    On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 12:14:22 AM UTC+1, Doug Landau wrote:
    My problem??? With your article?? I liked it, myself.

    The idea of man-made global warming is pure hubris. A flea, doing the backstroke down the river, crying "rIse the drawbridge"

    Striking image. -- AJ


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  • From Andre Jute@21:1/5 to Doug Landau on Fri Oct 27 17:41:33 2023
    On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 1:24:16 AM UTC+1, Doug Landau wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 5:17:14 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 6:07 PM, Doug Landau wrote:

    The way I read the comments there, those posters were making satirical and sarcastic comments about the beliefs of the global warmies. Sorta like, "Yeahbut, whaddaya expect when you go back 420 thousand years? There weren't any people back then.
    So that proves that Global Warming is real! It was always there, as you can see in the many historic heat peaks from hundreds of thousands of years before the Industrial Revolution." If I said something as confused as that, you'd know I was ragging
    somone, because I wouldn't mean something as stupid as that (hell, that's almost down at the Krygowski-Flunky level of mindless dumbassery). Those guys commenting seem all to know each other, so there's space for a bit of humour. -- AJ


    The important thing here is 420.
    Hitler's birthday? What?
    Hey. Do you know what's at the bottom of the English Channel, and underneath Greenland ice?
    Stone walls. Built by stoned stoneworkers.

    I don't know about "stoned" in the marijuana sense, but they were certainly drunk on the wine grown back then in Greenland and England too. Some of my ancestors were probably there, as a large contingent from the now Danish island of Odense, the seat of
    my family just this side of the mists of history, sailed for Greenland. -- AJ

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  • From Andre Jute@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Fri Oct 27 17:58:34 2023
    On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 2:22:36 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 8:27 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 17:19:31 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On the way across that Arctic Ocean the USS Skate surfaced a number of times to test the ice thickness and gauge whether surfacing at the North Pole would be practical. That is where most of those pictures of submarines surrounded by ice come from.
    The ACTUAL photo of the North Pole surfacing us here: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/402650022935117832/

    Nice photo. Perhaps some background might be worthwhile. It seems
    that the North Pole was mostly ice free during some years and ice
    bound during other years:
    "Ice at the North Pole in 1958 and 1959 - not so thick" <https://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/26/ice-at-the-north-pole-in-1958-not-so-thick/>
    The web site belongs to Anthony Watts, who's beliefs on climate change
    are similar to yours: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Watts_(blogger)>
    One might suspect that his opinions are swayed by his sponsor, the Heartland Institute.

    Pick a Fact Check site: <https://www.google.com/search?q=fact+check+anthony+watts>

    Depending on the source, the North Pole is expected to be ice free in summer somewhere between 2030 and 2050. Pick your favorite source and article:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_sea_ice_decline> <https://www.google.com/search?q=north+pole+ice+free>

    Incidentally, the North Pole did not surface. It was the various submarines that were photographed after surfacing.

    "the North Pole is expected to be ice free in
    summer somewhere between 2030 and 2050."

    And I'm told first snow here will be Tuesday. Or not.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    a...@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

    And the more it snows, the hotter it will get. That's the Science of Global Warming. I heard it on television. -- AJ


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  • From Andre Jute@21:1/5 to Radey Shouman on Fri Oct 27 18:04:21 2023
    On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 4:30:02 PM UTC+1, Radey Shouman wrote:
    Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> writes:

    On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 08:22:32 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 8:27 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 17:19:31 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
    <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

    The ACTUAL photo of the North Pole surfacing us here: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/402650022935117832/

    Incidentally, the North Pole did not surface. It was the various
    submarines that were photographed after surfacing.

    "the North Pole is expected to be ice free in
    summer somewhere between 2030 and 2050."

    And I'm told first snow here will be Tuesday. Or not.

    Hopefully, the ground will not rise to meet the snow per Tom's
    submarine description. However, if it happens, please take some
    ACTUAL photos.

    38F now in Santa Cruz CA. It's not cold enough yet to snow, but it's trying. NWS has issued fire and high wind warnings of 20 to 30 mph
    for Saturday and Sunday which will likely be accompanied by power
    outages. Meanwhile, my steel wood burner is partly disassembled and awaiting time for me to flux weld a crack and other repairs. <https://photos.app.goo.gl/LLYM5DPaHAUMhM8z5>
    A balmy 78F here in yankee land. Nice day for a ride. We're supposed
    to have frost next week, which seems plausible.

    One trouble with climate doomers is that they rely on numerical
    predictions that have never demonstrated any skill in prediction at all. Short term weather forecasters do make skilled predictions, although
    they are clearly not perfect. As some sage once said, "Prediction is
    hard, especially about the future."

    Professional weather forecasters now have so many more tools, and better tools than they had when I was a boy racer that their forecasts are vastly more credible and more often spot on. Makes one wonder why their reputation has not increased
    proportionately. -- AJ


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