https://cyclingindustry.news/elite-cycling-has-a-safety-problem-says-report/
"study unearths a systemic issue that goes beyond the realm
of sports and penetrates the corporate world: the notion
that safety can take a back seat in the pursuit of
performance or profit. "
O deliver us from 'experts' especially Marxist experts!
https://cyclingindustry.news/elite-cycling-has-a-safety-problem-says-report/
"study unearths a systemic issue that goes beyond the realm
of sports and penetrates the corporate world: the notion
that safety can take a back seat in the pursuit of
performance or profit. "
O deliver us from 'experts' especially Marxist experts!
https://cyclingindustry.news/elite-cycling-has-a-safety-problem-says-report/
"study unearths a systemic issue that goes beyond the realm
of sports and penetrates the corporate world: the notion
that safety can take a back seat in the pursuit of
performance or profit. "
O deliver us from 'experts' especially Marxist experts!
--
Andrew Muzi
a...@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
https://cyclingindustry.news/elite-cycling-has-a-safety-problem-says-report/
"study unearths a systemic issue that goes beyond the realm of sports
and penetrates the corporate world: the notion that safety can take a
back seat in the pursuit of performance or profit. "
O deliver us from 'experts' especially Marxist experts!
On 10/11/2023 1:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/elite-cycling-has-a-safety-problem-says-report/ >>
"study unearths a systemic issue that goes beyond the realm of sports
and penetrates the corporate world: the notion that safety can take a
back seat in the pursuit of performance or profit. "
Well, someone found a way to get published. That doesn't mean they made
any sense.
The paper didn't hold my interest enough to even skim through it all the
way. But the authors seem to think that bicycle racing (on a ~15 pound vehicle, typical speed ~25 mph) should have the same "safety"
bureaucracy as Formula 1 racing, with 1800 pound cars hitting 200 mph.
And this is based on five incidents of handlebar failure? That's weird.
ISTM that neither the rider, mechanics or teams want handlebar failures. Instituting a "safety culture" that says "No more handlebar failures!"
will change nothing.
O deliver us from 'experts' especially Marxist experts!
I don't believe that fits Marx's definition of Marxism. You shouldn't
overuse trigger words.
Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 10/11/2023 1:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/elite-cycling-has-a-safety-problem-says-report/
"study unearths a systemic issue that goes beyond the realm of sports
and penetrates the corporate world: the notion that safety can take a
back seat in the pursuit of performance or profit. "
Well, someone found a way to get published. That doesn't mean they made any sense.
The paper didn't hold my interest enough to even skim through it all the way. But the authors seem to think that bicycle racing (on a ~15 pound vehicle, typical speed ~25 mph) should have the same "safety"
bureaucracy as Formula 1 racing, with 1800 pound cars hitting 200 mph.
And this is based on five incidents of handlebar failure? That's weird.
ISTM that neither the rider, mechanics or teams want handlebar failures. Instituting a "safety culture" that says "No more handlebar failures!" will change nothing.Indeed I suspect that the UCI weight limit for example isn’t needed though as evidenced by Stefan Kung while they have a head injury protocol clearly they aren’t following it, athletes will not stop of their own choice as one
of the symptoms of concussion is the desire to keep going, “I’m fine” and
so on.
Nature of road cycling does make it challenging, ie can’t for example have a substitute while they are assessed.
O deliver us from 'experts' especially Marxist experts!
I don't believe that fits Marx's definition of Marxism. You shouldn't overuse trigger words.Indeed doesn’t sound remotely Marxis
Roger Merriman
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 10/11/2023 1:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:
"study unearths a systemic issue that goes beyond the realm of sports
and penetrates the corporate world: the notion that safety can take a
back seat in the pursuit of performance or profit. "
Well, someone found a way to get published. That doesn't mean they made
any sense.
The paper didn't hold my interest enough to even skim through it all the
way. But the authors seem to think that bicycle racing (on a ~15 pound
vehicle, typical speed ~25 mph) should have the same "safety"
bureaucracy as Formula 1 racing, with 1800 pound cars hitting 200 mph.
And this is based on five incidents of handlebar failure? That's weird.
ISTM that neither the rider, mechanics or teams want handlebar failures.
Instituting a "safety culture" that says "No more handlebar failures!"
will change nothing.
Indeed I suspect that the UCI weight limit for example isnt needed though
as evidenced by Stefan Kung while they have a head injury protocol clearly >they arent following it, athletes will not stop of their own choice as one >of the symptoms of concussion is the desire to keep going, Im fine and
so on.
Nature of road cycling does make it challenging, ie cant for example have
a substitute while they are assessed.
O deliver us from 'experts' especially Marxist experts!
I don't believe that fits Marx's definition of Marxism. You shouldn't
overuse trigger words.
Indeed doesnt sound remotely Marxis
Roger Merriman
https://cyclingindustry.news/elite-cycling-has-a-safety-problem-says-report/
"study unearths a systemic issue that goes beyond the realm
of sports and penetrates the corporate world: the notion
that safety can take a back seat in the pursuit of
performance or profit. "
O deliver us from 'experts' especially Marxist experts!
On 10/11/2023 1:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/elite-cycling-has-a-safety-problem-says-report/ >>
"study unearths a systemic issue that goes beyond the
realm of sports and penetrates the corporate world: the
notion that safety can take a back seat in the pursuit of
performance or profit. "
Well, someone found a way to get published. That doesn't
mean they made any sense.
The paper didn't hold my interest enough to even skim
through it all the way. But the authors seem to think that
bicycle racing (on a ~15 pound vehicle, typical speed ~25
mph) should have the same "safety" bureaucracy as Formula 1
racing, with 1800 pound cars hitting 200 mph. And this is
based on five incidents of handlebar failure? That's weird.
ISTM that neither the rider, mechanics or teams want
handlebar failures. Instituting a "safety culture" that says
"No more handlebar failures!" will change nothing.
O deliver us from 'experts' especially Marxist experts!
I don't believe that fits Marx's definition of Marxism. You
shouldn't overuse trigger words.
On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 12:51:21 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/elite-cycling-has-a-safety-problem-says-report/ >>
"study unearths a systemic issue that goes beyond the realm
of sports and penetrates the corporate world: the notion
that safety can take a back seat in the pursuit of
performance or profit. "
O deliver us from 'experts' especially Marxist experts!
What is a "Marxist expert"?
Someone who advocates paying people not to work? To enjoy a government furnished retirement? To pay unwed women to have children? To,
essentially provide free collage for some people?
On 10/11/2023 7:12 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 12:51:21 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/elite-cycling-has-a-safety-problem-says-report/
"study unearths a systemic issue that goes beyond the realm
of sports and penetrates the corporate world: the notion
that safety can take a back seat in the pursuit of
performance or profit. "
O deliver us from 'experts' especially Marxist experts!
What is a "Marxist expert"?
Someone who advocates paying people not to work? To enjoy a government
furnished retirement? To pay unwed women to have children? To,
essentially provide free collage for some people?
Well, yes,
"Ye shall know them by their works."
On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 2:50:41 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:Right now they can make full suspension 29ers that weigh under the UCI
On 10/11/2023 1:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:Indeed I suspect that the UCI weight limit for example isn’t needed though >> as evidenced by Stefan Kung while they have a head injury protocol clearly >> they aren’t following it, athletes will not stop of their own choice as one
https://cyclingindustry.news/elite-cycling-has-a-safety-problem-says-report/
"study unearths a systemic issue that goes beyond the realm of sports
and penetrates the corporate world: the notion that safety can take a
back seat in the pursuit of performance or profit. "
Well, someone found a way to get published. That doesn't mean they made
any sense.
The paper didn't hold my interest enough to even skim through it all the >>> way. But the authors seem to think that bicycle racing (on a ~15 pound
vehicle, typical speed ~25 mph) should have the same "safety"
bureaucracy as Formula 1 racing, with 1800 pound cars hitting 200 mph.
And this is based on five incidents of handlebar failure? That's weird.
ISTM that neither the rider, mechanics or teams want handlebar failures. >>> Instituting a "safety culture" that says "No more handlebar failures!"
will change nothing.
of the symptoms of concussion is the desire to keep going, “I’m fine” and
so on.
Nature of road cycling does make it challenging, ie can’t for example have >> a substitute while they are assessed.
Indeed doesn’t sound remotely Marxis
O deliver us from 'experts' especially Marxist experts!
I don't believe that fits Marx's definition of Marxism. You shouldn't
overuse trigger words.
Roger Merriman
road limit. Never doubt the foolishness of a pro with visions of
grandeur. EVERYONE that could afford it was taking drugs even though they knew that it could cause cancer and shorten their lifespans. I have no
doubt that they are still doping but with the present health passport
they have to be very careful perhaps to the point that their health won't
be noticeably effected.
Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 2:50:41?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:Road bikes, absolutely could and can be sub 7 kg at least at the pro level. >Though with the more focus on aero not sure how close to the limit they
Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:Right now they can make full suspension 29ers that weigh under the UCI
On 10/11/2023 1:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:Indeed I suspect that the UCI weight limit for example isnt needed though >>> as evidenced by Stefan Kung while they have a head injury protocol clearly >>> they arent following it, athletes will not stop of their own choice as one >>> of the symptoms of concussion is the desire to keep going, Im fine and >>> so on.
https://cyclingindustry.news/elite-cycling-has-a-safety-problem-says-report/
"study unearths a systemic issue that goes beyond the realm of sports >>>>> and penetrates the corporate world: the notion that safety can take a >>>>> back seat in the pursuit of performance or profit. "
Well, someone found a way to get published. That doesn't mean they made >>>> any sense.
The paper didn't hold my interest enough to even skim through it all the >>>> way. But the authors seem to think that bicycle racing (on a ~15 pound >>>> vehicle, typical speed ~25 mph) should have the same "safety"
bureaucracy as Formula 1 racing, with 1800 pound cars hitting 200 mph. >>>> And this is based on five incidents of handlebar failure? That's weird. >>>>
ISTM that neither the rider, mechanics or teams want handlebar failures. >>>> Instituting a "safety culture" that says "No more handlebar failures!" >>>> will change nothing.
Nature of road cycling does make it challenging, ie cant for example have >>> a substitute while they are assessed.
Indeed doesnt sound remotely Marxis
O deliver us from 'experts' especially Marxist experts!
I don't believe that fits Marx's definition of Marxism. You shouldn't
overuse trigger words.
Roger Merriman
road limit. Never doubt the foolishness of a pro with visions of
grandeur. EVERYONE that could afford it was taking drugs even though they
knew that it could cause cancer and shorten their lifespans. I have no
doubt that they are still doping but with the present health passport
they have to be very careful perhaps to the point that their health won't
be noticeably effected.
are.
I suspect for a XC MTB even a hardtail to reach sub 7kg youd need to make >some performance compromises.
Bit like some of the kit at hill climb bikes, ie ultralight brakes that do >work but not effectively and so on.
Roger Merriman
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 10:00:27 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 2:50:41?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote: >>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:Road bikes, absolutely could and can be sub 7 kg at least at the pro level. >> Though with the more focus on aero not sure how close to the limit they
Right now they can make full suspension 29ers that weigh under the UCIOn 10/11/2023 1:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:Indeed I suspect that the UCI weight limit for example isnt needed though
https://cyclingindustry.news/elite-cycling-has-a-safety-problem-says-report/
"study unearths a systemic issue that goes beyond the realm of sports >>>>>> and penetrates the corporate world: the notion that safety can take a >>>>>> back seat in the pursuit of performance or profit. "
Well, someone found a way to get published. That doesn't mean they made >>>>> any sense.
The paper didn't hold my interest enough to even skim through it all the >>>>> way. But the authors seem to think that bicycle racing (on a ~15 pound >>>>> vehicle, typical speed ~25 mph) should have the same "safety"
bureaucracy as Formula 1 racing, with 1800 pound cars hitting 200 mph. >>>>> And this is based on five incidents of handlebar failure? That's weird. >>>>>
ISTM that neither the rider, mechanics or teams want handlebar failures. >>>>> Instituting a "safety culture" that says "No more handlebar failures!" >>>>> will change nothing.
as evidenced by Stefan Kung while they have a head injury protocol clearly >>>> they arent following it, athletes will not stop of their own choice as one
of the symptoms of concussion is the desire to keep going, Im fine and
so on.
Nature of road cycling does make it challenging, ie cant for example have
a substitute while they are assessed.
Indeed doesnt sound remotely Marxis
O deliver us from 'experts' especially Marxist experts!
I don't believe that fits Marx's definition of Marxism. You shouldn't >>>>> overuse trigger words.
Roger Merriman
road limit. Never doubt the foolishness of a pro with visions of
grandeur. EVERYONE that could afford it was taking drugs even though they >>> knew that it could cause cancer and shorten their lifespans. I have no
doubt that they are still doping but with the present health passport
they have to be very careful perhaps to the point that their health won't >>> be noticeably effected.
are.
I suspect for a XC MTB even a hardtail to reach sub 7kg youd need to make >> some performance compromises.
Bit like some of the kit at hill climb bikes, ie ultralight brakes that do >> work but not effectively and so on.
Roger Merriman
The "lightest" bike seems to be one built by a German guy named Gunter
Mai who logged over 20,000km on the machine for a couple years and it
weighed at around 3.2kg. He has now built a lighter one weighing 2.7
kg. (:-)
10 speed cassette, double chain ring, total 20 speed https://antranik.org/worlds-lightest-road-bike-at-2-7kg/
(:-)
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 2:50:41 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:Right now they can make full suspension 29ers that weigh under the UCI road limit. Never doubt the foolishness of a pro with visions of
On 10/11/2023 1:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:Indeed I suspect that the UCI weight limit for example isn’t needed though
https://cyclingindustry.news/elite-cycling-has-a-safety-problem-says-report/
"study unearths a systemic issue that goes beyond the realm of sports >>>> and penetrates the corporate world: the notion that safety can take a >>>> back seat in the pursuit of performance or profit. "
Well, someone found a way to get published. That doesn't mean they made >>> any sense.
The paper didn't hold my interest enough to even skim through it all the >>> way. But the authors seem to think that bicycle racing (on a ~15 pound >>> vehicle, typical speed ~25 mph) should have the same "safety"
bureaucracy as Formula 1 racing, with 1800 pound cars hitting 200 mph. >>> And this is based on five incidents of handlebar failure? That's weird. >>>
ISTM that neither the rider, mechanics or teams want handlebar failures. >>> Instituting a "safety culture" that says "No more handlebar failures!" >>> will change nothing.
as evidenced by Stefan Kung while they have a head injury protocol clearly
they aren’t following it, athletes will not stop of their own choice as one
of the symptoms of concussion is the desire to keep going, “I’m fine” and
so on.
Nature of road cycling does make it challenging, ie can’t for example have
a substitute while they are assessed.
Indeed doesn’t sound remotely Marxis
O deliver us from 'experts' especially Marxist experts!
I don't believe that fits Marx's definition of Marxism. You shouldn't >>> overuse trigger words.
Roger Merriman
grandeur. EVERYONE that could afford it was taking drugs even though they knew that it could cause cancer and shorten their lifespans. I have no doubt that they are still doping but with the present health passport
they have to be very careful perhaps to the point that their health won't be noticeably effected.
Road bikes, absolutely could and can be sub 7 kg at least at the pro level. Though with the more focus on aero not sure how close to the limit they
are.
I suspect for a XC MTB even a hardtail to reach sub 7kg you’d need to make some performance compromises.
Bit like some of the kit at hill climb bikes, ie ultralight brakes that do work but not effectively and so on.
Roger Merriman
https://cyclingindustry.news/elite-cycling-has-a-safety-problem-says-report/
"study unearths a systemic issue that goes beyond the realm
of sports and penetrates the corporate world: the notion
that safety can take a back seat in the pursuit of
performance or profit. "
O deliver us from 'experts' especially Marxist experts!
--
On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 6:00:31 AM UTC-4, Roger Meriman wrote:
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 2:50:41 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote: >>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:Road bikes, absolutely could and can be sub 7 kg at least at the pro level. >> Though with the more focus on aero not sure how close to the limit they
Right now they can make full suspension 29ers that weigh under the UCIOn 10/11/2023 1:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:Indeed I suspect that the UCI weight limit for example isn’t needed though
https://cyclingindustry.news/elite-cycling-has-a-safety-problem-says-report/
"study unearths a systemic issue that goes beyond the realm of sports >>>>>> and penetrates the corporate world: the notion that safety can take a >>>>>> back seat in the pursuit of performance or profit. "
Well, someone found a way to get published. That doesn't mean they made >>>>> any sense.
The paper didn't hold my interest enough to even skim through it all the >>>>> way. But the authors seem to think that bicycle racing (on a ~15 pound >>>>> vehicle, typical speed ~25 mph) should have the same "safety"
bureaucracy as Formula 1 racing, with 1800 pound cars hitting 200 mph. >>>>> And this is based on five incidents of handlebar failure? That's weird. >>>>>
ISTM that neither the rider, mechanics or teams want handlebar failures. >>>>> Instituting a "safety culture" that says "No more handlebar failures!" >>>>> will change nothing.
as evidenced by Stefan Kung while they have a head injury protocol clearly >>>> they aren’t following it, athletes will not stop of their own choice as one
of the symptoms of concussion is the desire to keep going, “I’m fine” and
so on.
Nature of road cycling does make it challenging, ie can’t for example have
a substitute while they are assessed.
Indeed doesn’t sound remotely Marxis
O deliver us from 'experts' especially Marxist experts!
I don't believe that fits Marx's definition of Marxism. You shouldn't >>>>> overuse trigger words.
Roger Merriman
road limit. Never doubt the foolishness of a pro with visions of
grandeur. EVERYONE that could afford it was taking drugs even though they >>> knew that it could cause cancer and shorten their lifespans. I have no
doubt that they are still doping but with the present health passport
they have to be very careful perhaps to the point that their health won't >>> be noticeably effected.
are.
I suspect for a XC MTB even a hardtail to reach sub 7kg you’d need to make >> some performance compromises.
Bit like some of the kit at hill climb bikes, ie ultralight brakes that do >> work but not effectively and so on.
Roger Merriman
The claim that someone is selling a 29er FS under 15 lbs is complete bullshit.
On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 20:15:08 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 10/11/2023 7:12 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 12:51:21 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/elite-cycling-has-a-safety-problem-says-report/
"study unearths a systemic issue that goes beyond the realm
of sports and penetrates the corporate world: the notion
that safety can take a back seat in the pursuit of
performance or profit. "
O deliver us from 'experts' especially Marxist experts!
What is a "Marxist expert"?
Someone who advocates paying people not to work? To enjoy a government
furnished retirement? To pay unwed women to have children? To,
essentially provide free collage for some people?
Well, yes,
"Ye shall know them by their works."
The Articles of Confederation, Article 2:
" Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and
every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this
Confederation expressly delegated."
On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 6:00:31 AM UTC-4, Roger Meriman wrote:
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 2:50:41 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote: >>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:Road bikes, absolutely could and can be sub 7 kg at least at the pro level. >> Though with the more focus on aero not sure how close to the limit they
Right now they can make full suspension 29ers that weigh under the UCIOn 10/11/2023 1:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:Indeed I suspect that the UCI weight limit for example isn’t needed though
https://cyclingindustry.news/elite-cycling-has-a-safety-problem-says-report/
"study unearths a systemic issue that goes beyond the realm of sports >>>>>> and penetrates the corporate world: the notion that safety can take a >>>>>> back seat in the pursuit of performance or profit. "
Well, someone found a way to get published. That doesn't mean they made >>>>> any sense.
The paper didn't hold my interest enough to even skim through it all the >>>>> way. But the authors seem to think that bicycle racing (on a ~15 pound >>>>> vehicle, typical speed ~25 mph) should have the same "safety"
bureaucracy as Formula 1 racing, with 1800 pound cars hitting 200 mph. >>>>> And this is based on five incidents of handlebar failure? That's weird. >>>>>
ISTM that neither the rider, mechanics or teams want handlebar failures. >>>>> Instituting a "safety culture" that says "No more handlebar failures!" >>>>> will change nothing.
as evidenced by Stefan Kung while they have a head injury protocol clearly >>>> they aren’t following it, athletes will not stop of their own choice as one
of the symptoms of concussion is the desire to keep going, “I’m fine” and
so on.
Nature of road cycling does make it challenging, ie can’t for example have
a substitute while they are assessed.
Indeed doesn’t sound remotely Marxis
O deliver us from 'experts' especially Marxist experts!
I don't believe that fits Marx's definition of Marxism. You shouldn't >>>>> overuse trigger words.
Roger Merriman
road limit. Never doubt the foolishness of a pro with visions of
grandeur. EVERYONE that could afford it was taking drugs even though they >>> knew that it could cause cancer and shorten their lifespans. I have no
doubt that they are still doping but with the present health passport
they have to be very careful perhaps to the point that their health won't >>> be noticeably effected.
are.
I suspect for a XC MTB even a hardtail to reach sub 7kg you’d need to make >> some performance compromises.
Bit like some of the kit at hill climb bikes, ie ultralight brakes that do >> work but not effectively and so on.
Roger Merriman
The claim that someone is selling a 29er FS under 15 lbs is complete bullshit.
On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 1:51:26 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:interest of safety. From reading your posts over the years, it's easy to conclude that you might applaud the complete banning of any sanctioning body for competitive cycling. Indeed, there was a movement many years ago (and championed by domestic pro
https://cyclingindustry.news/elite-cycling-has-a-safety-problem-says-report/ >>
"study unearths a systemic issue that goes beyond the realm
of sports and penetrates the corporate world: the notion
that safety can take a back seat in the pursuit of
performance or profit. "
O deliver us from 'experts' especially Marxist experts!
--
there's a lot wrong with that article, but little of it (if anything) smacks of Marxism. Not even your poorly parsed edit 'penetrates the corporate world... pursuit of ... profits'.
I realize you advocate for a completely anarchistic society, but advocating for an organization to follow its own rules in the interest of safety isn't indicative of anything other than advocating for an organization to follow its own rules in the
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB1LuCUovW4
On 10/12/2023 6:46 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 6:00:31 AM UTC-4, Roger Meriman wrote:
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 2:50:41 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:Road bikes, absolutely could and can be sub 7 kg at least at the pro level.
Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:Right now they can make full suspension 29ers that weigh under the UCI >>> road limit. Never doubt the foolishness of a pro with visions of
On 10/11/2023 1:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:Indeed I suspect that the UCI weight limit for example isn’t needed though
https://cyclingindustry.news/elite-cycling-has-a-safety-problem-says-report/
"study unearths a systemic issue that goes beyond the realm of sports >>>>>> and penetrates the corporate world: the notion that safety can take a >>>>>> back seat in the pursuit of performance or profit. "
Well, someone found a way to get published. That doesn't mean they made
any sense.
The paper didn't hold my interest enough to even skim through it all the
way. But the authors seem to think that bicycle racing (on a ~15 pound >>>>> vehicle, typical speed ~25 mph) should have the same "safety"
bureaucracy as Formula 1 racing, with 1800 pound cars hitting 200 mph. >>>>> And this is based on five incidents of handlebar failure? That's weird.
ISTM that neither the rider, mechanics or teams want handlebar failures.
Instituting a "safety culture" that says "No more handlebar failures!" >>>>> will change nothing.
as evidenced by Stefan Kung while they have a head injury protocol clearly
they aren’t following it, athletes will not stop of their own choice as one
of the symptoms of concussion is the desire to keep going, “I’m fine” and
so on.
Nature of road cycling does make it challenging, ie can’t for example have
a substitute while they are assessed.
Indeed doesn’t sound remotely Marxis
O deliver us from 'experts' especially Marxist experts!
I don't believe that fits Marx's definition of Marxism. You shouldn't >>>>> overuse trigger words.
Roger Merriman
grandeur. EVERYONE that could afford it was taking drugs even though they
knew that it could cause cancer and shorten their lifespans. I have no >>> doubt that they are still doping but with the present health passport >>> they have to be very careful perhaps to the point that their health won't
be noticeably effected.
Though with the more focus on aero not sure how close to the limit they >> are.
I suspect for a XC MTB even a hardtail to reach sub 7kg you’d need to make
some performance compromises.
Bit like some of the kit at hill climb bikes, ie ultralight brakes that do
work but not effectively and so on.
Roger Merriman
The claim that someone is selling a 29er FS under 15 lbs is complete bullshit.Well, possible if perhaps not optimal for intended use maybe: https://bikerumor.com/bfs2018-the-worlds-lightest-29er-mountain-bikes-are-a-scott-spark-scale/
Note the date on that,
--
Andrew Muzi
a...@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
On 10/12/2023 6:46 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 6:00:31 AM UTC-4, Roger Meriman wrote: >>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 2:50:41 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote: >>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:Road bikes, absolutely could and can be sub 7 kg at least at the pro level. >>> Though with the more focus on aero not sure how close to the limit they
Right now they can make full suspension 29ers that weigh under the UCI >>>> road limit. Never doubt the foolishness of a pro with visions ofOn 10/11/2023 1:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:Indeed I suspect that the UCI weight limit for example isn’t needed though
https://cyclingindustry.news/elite-cycling-has-a-safety-problem-says-report/
"study unearths a systemic issue that goes beyond the realm of sports >>>>>>> and penetrates the corporate world: the notion that safety can take a >>>>>>> back seat in the pursuit of performance or profit. "
Well, someone found a way to get published. That doesn't mean they made >>>>>> any sense.
The paper didn't hold my interest enough to even skim through it all the >>>>>> way. But the authors seem to think that bicycle racing (on a ~15 pound >>>>>> vehicle, typical speed ~25 mph) should have the same "safety"
bureaucracy as Formula 1 racing, with 1800 pound cars hitting 200 mph. >>>>>> And this is based on five incidents of handlebar failure? That's weird. >>>>>>
ISTM that neither the rider, mechanics or teams want handlebar failures. >>>>>> Instituting a "safety culture" that says "No more handlebar failures!" >>>>>> will change nothing.
as evidenced by Stefan Kung while they have a head injury protocol clearly
they aren’t following it, athletes will not stop of their own choice as one
of the symptoms of concussion is the desire to keep going, “I’m fine” and
so on.
Nature of road cycling does make it challenging, ie can’t for example have
a substitute while they are assessed.
Indeed doesn’t sound remotely Marxis
O deliver us from 'experts' especially Marxist experts!
I don't believe that fits Marx's definition of Marxism. You shouldn't >>>>>> overuse trigger words.
Roger Merriman
grandeur. EVERYONE that could afford it was taking drugs even though they >>>> knew that it could cause cancer and shorten their lifespans. I have no >>>> doubt that they are still doping but with the present health passport
they have to be very careful perhaps to the point that their health won't >>>> be noticeably effected.
are.
I suspect for a XC MTB even a hardtail to reach sub 7kg you’d need to make
some performance compromises.
Bit like some of the kit at hill climb bikes, ie ultralight brakes that do >>> work but not effectively and so on.
Roger Merriman
The claim that someone is selling a 29er FS under 15 lbs is complete bullshit.
Well, possible if perhaps not optimal for intended use maybe: https://bikerumor.com/bfs2018-the-worlds-lightest-29er-mountain-bikes-are-a-scott-spark-scale/
Note the date on that,
On 10/12/2023 7:02 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:interest of safety. From reading your posts over the years, it's easy to conclude that you might applaud the complete banning of any sanctioning body for competitive cycling. Indeed, there was a movement many years ago (and championed by domestic pro
On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 1:51:26 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/elite-cycling-has-a-safety-problem-says-report/
"study unearths a systemic issue that goes beyond the realm
of sports and penetrates the corporate world: the notion
that safety can take a back seat in the pursuit of
performance or profit. "
O deliver us from 'experts' especially Marxist experts!
--
there's a lot wrong with that article, but little of it (if anything) smacks of Marxism. Not even your poorly parsed edit 'penetrates the corporate world... pursuit of ... profits'.
I realize you advocate for a completely anarchistic society, but advocating for an organization to follow its own rules in the interest of safety isn't indicative of anything other than advocating for an organization to follow its own rules in the
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB1LuCUovW4Extrapolating from rider injuries to corporate profits is a
leap of fanaticism not logic. No entity's shareholders want
rider injuries in pro racing and in fact they are bad for
business.
--
Andrew Muzi
a...@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
On 10/12/2023 6:46 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 6:00:31 AM UTC-4, Roger Meriman wrote: >>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 2:50:41 PM UTC-7, Roger MerimanRoad bikes, absolutely could and can be sub 7 kg at least at the pro
wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:Right now they can make full suspension 29ers that weigh under the UCI >>>> road limit. Never doubt the foolishness of a pro with visions of
On 10/11/2023 1:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:Indeed I suspect that the UCI weight limit for example isn’t needed >>>>> though
https://cyclingindustry.news/elite-cycling-has-a-safety-problem-says-report/
"study unearths a systemic issue that goes beyond the realm of
sports
and penetrates the corporate world: the notion that safety can
take a
back seat in the pursuit of performance or profit. "
Well, someone found a way to get published. That doesn't mean they >>>>>> made
any sense.
The paper didn't hold my interest enough to even skim through it
all the
way. But the authors seem to think that bicycle racing (on a ~15
pound
vehicle, typical speed ~25 mph) should have the same "safety"
bureaucracy as Formula 1 racing, with 1800 pound cars hitting 200
mph.
And this is based on five incidents of handlebar failure? That's
weird.
ISTM that neither the rider, mechanics or teams want handlebar
failures.
Instituting a "safety culture" that says "No more handlebar
failures!"
will change nothing.
as evidenced by Stefan Kung while they have a head injury protocol
clearly
they aren’t following it, athletes will not stop of their own
choice as one
of the symptoms of concussion is the desire to keep going, “I’m
fine” and
so on.
Nature of road cycling does make it challenging, ie can’t for
example have
a substitute while they are assessed.
Indeed doesn’t sound remotely Marxis
O deliver us from 'experts' especially Marxist experts!
I don't believe that fits Marx's definition of Marxism. You shouldn't >>>>>> overuse trigger words.
Roger Merriman
grandeur. EVERYONE that could afford it was taking drugs even though
they
knew that it could cause cancer and shorten their lifespans. I have no >>>> doubt that they are still doping but with the present health passport
they have to be very careful perhaps to the point that their health
won't
be noticeably effected.
level.
Though with the more focus on aero not sure how close to the limit they
are.
I suspect for a XC MTB even a hardtail to reach sub 7kg you’d need to
make
some performance compromises.
Bit like some of the kit at hill climb bikes, ie ultralight brakes
that do
work but not effectively and so on.
Roger Merriman
The claim that someone is selling a 29er FS under 15 lbs is complete
bullshit.
Well, possible if perhaps not optimal for intended use maybe: https://bikerumor.com/bfs2018-the-worlds-lightest-29er-mountain-bikes-are-a-scott-spark-scale/
Note the date on that,
On 10/11/2023 4:13 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:...
On 10/11/2023 1:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/elite-cycling-has-a-safety-problem-says-report/
"study unearths a systemic issue that goes beyond the realm of sports
and penetrates the corporate world: the notion that safety can take a
back seat in the pursuit of performance or profit. "
O deliver us from 'experts' especially Marxist experts!
I don't believe that fits Marx's definition of Marxism. You shouldn't
overuse trigger words.
'penetrates the corporate world... pursuit of ... profits'
It's a common faux analysis and misplaced cause (of everything Marxist authors dislike) to besmirch any aspect of free markets.
My friend the cop who lives in Phoenix tells me that many team mechanics winter there and they've told him that they have a car that follows the broom wagon and picks up all of the carbon fiber failures so that they are not photographed.:-) Ah, such imagination! Tom, why haven't you added fantasy novels and
On 10/12/2023 9:00 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/12/2023 6:46 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 6:00:31 AM UTC-4, Roger Meriman wrote: >>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 2:50:41 PM UTC-7, Roger MerimanRoad bikes, absolutely could and can be sub 7 kg at least at the pro
wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:Right now they can make full suspension 29ers that weigh under the UCI >>>>> road limit. Never doubt the foolishness of a pro with visions of
On 10/11/2023 1:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:Indeed I suspect that the UCI weight limit for example isn’t needed >>>>>> though
https://cyclingindustry.news/elite-cycling-has-a-safety-problem-says-report/
"study unearths a systemic issue that goes beyond the realm of >>>>>>>> sports
and penetrates the corporate world: the notion that safety can >>>>>>>> take a
back seat in the pursuit of performance or profit. "
Well, someone found a way to get published. That doesn't mean they >>>>>>> made
any sense.
The paper didn't hold my interest enough to even skim through it >>>>>>> all the
way. But the authors seem to think that bicycle racing (on a ~15 >>>>>>> pound
vehicle, typical speed ~25 mph) should have the same "safety"
bureaucracy as Formula 1 racing, with 1800 pound cars hitting 200 >>>>>>> mph.
And this is based on five incidents of handlebar failure? That's >>>>>>> weird.
ISTM that neither the rider, mechanics or teams want handlebar
failures.
Instituting a "safety culture" that says "No more handlebar
failures!"
will change nothing.
as evidenced by Stefan Kung while they have a head injury protocol >>>>>> clearly
they aren’t following it, athletes will not stop of their own
choice as one
of the symptoms of concussion is the desire to keep going, “I’m >>>>>> fine” and
so on.
Nature of road cycling does make it challenging, ie can’t for
example have
a substitute while they are assessed.
Indeed doesn’t sound remotely Marxis
O deliver us from 'experts' especially Marxist experts!
I don't believe that fits Marx's definition of Marxism. You shouldn't >>>>>>> overuse trigger words.
Roger Merriman
grandeur. EVERYONE that could afford it was taking drugs even though >>>>> they
knew that it could cause cancer and shorten their lifespans. I have no >>>>> doubt that they are still doping but with the present health passport >>>>> they have to be very careful perhaps to the point that their health
won't
be noticeably effected.
level.
Though with the more focus on aero not sure how close to the limit they >>>> are.
I suspect for a XC MTB even a hardtail to reach sub 7kg you’d need to >>>> make
some performance compromises.
Bit like some of the kit at hill climb bikes, ie ultralight brakes
that do
work but not effectively and so on.
Roger Merriman
The claim that someone is selling a 29er FS under 15 lbs is complete
bullshit.
Well, possible if perhaps not optimal for intended use maybe:
https://bikerumor.com/bfs2018-the-worlds-lightest-29er-mountain-bikes-are-a-scott-spark-scale/
Note the date on that,
Still, the FS one is over 17 pounds. Is someone selling one under 15
pounds?
Not that I'm interested in one. Stupid light, chasing diminishing
returns, etc. etc.
On 10/12/2023 6:46 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 6:00:31 AM UTC-4, Roger Meriman wrote:
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 2:50:41 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:Road bikes, absolutely could and can be sub 7 kg at least at the pro level.
Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:Right now they can make full suspension 29ers that weigh under the UCI >>> road limit. Never doubt the foolishness of a pro with visions of
On 10/11/2023 1:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:Indeed I suspect that the UCI weight limit for example isn’t needed though
https://cyclingindustry.news/elite-cycling-has-a-safety-problem-says-report/
"study unearths a systemic issue that goes beyond the realm of sports >>>>>> and penetrates the corporate world: the notion that safety can take a >>>>>> back seat in the pursuit of performance or profit. "
Well, someone found a way to get published. That doesn't mean they made
any sense.
The paper didn't hold my interest enough to even skim through it all the
way. But the authors seem to think that bicycle racing (on a ~15 pound >>>>> vehicle, typical speed ~25 mph) should have the same "safety"
bureaucracy as Formula 1 racing, with 1800 pound cars hitting 200 mph. >>>>> And this is based on five incidents of handlebar failure? That's weird.
ISTM that neither the rider, mechanics or teams want handlebar failures.
Instituting a "safety culture" that says "No more handlebar failures!" >>>>> will change nothing.
as evidenced by Stefan Kung while they have a head injury protocol clearly
they aren’t following it, athletes will not stop of their own choice as one
of the symptoms of concussion is the desire to keep going, “I’m fine” and
so on.
Nature of road cycling does make it challenging, ie can’t for example have
a substitute while they are assessed.
Indeed doesn’t sound remotely Marxis
O deliver us from 'experts' especially Marxist experts!
I don't believe that fits Marx's definition of Marxism. You shouldn't >>>>> overuse trigger words.
Roger Merriman
grandeur. EVERYONE that could afford it was taking drugs even though they
knew that it could cause cancer and shorten their lifespans. I have no >>> doubt that they are still doping but with the present health passport >>> they have to be very careful perhaps to the point that their health won't
be noticeably effected.
Though with the more focus on aero not sure how close to the limit they >> are.
I suspect for a XC MTB even a hardtail to reach sub 7kg you’d need to make
some performance compromises.
Bit like some of the kit at hill climb bikes, ie ultralight brakes that do
work but not effectively and so on.
Roger Merriman
The claim that someone is selling a 29er FS under 15 lbs is complete bullshit.Well, possible if perhaps not optimal for intended use maybe: https://bikerumor.com/bfs2018-the-worlds-lightest-29er-mountain-bikes-are-a-scott-spark-scale/
Note the date on that,
On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 6:00:51 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/12/2023 6:46 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 6:00:31 AM UTC-4, Roger Meriman wrote:
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 2:50:41 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:Road bikes, absolutely could and can be sub 7 kg at least at the pro level.
Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:Right now they can make full suspension 29ers that weigh under the UCI >>> road limit. Never doubt the foolishness of a pro with visions of
On 10/11/2023 1:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:Indeed I suspect that the UCI weight limit for example isn’t needed though
https://cyclingindustry.news/elite-cycling-has-a-safety-problem-says-report/
"study unearths a systemic issue that goes beyond the realm of sports
and penetrates the corporate world: the notion that safety can take a
back seat in the pursuit of performance or profit. "
Well, someone found a way to get published. That doesn't mean they made
any sense.
The paper didn't hold my interest enough to even skim through it all the
way. But the authors seem to think that bicycle racing (on a ~15 pound
vehicle, typical speed ~25 mph) should have the same "safety"
bureaucracy as Formula 1 racing, with 1800 pound cars hitting 200 mph.
And this is based on five incidents of handlebar failure? That's weird.
ISTM that neither the rider, mechanics or teams want handlebar failures.
Instituting a "safety culture" that says "No more handlebar failures!"
will change nothing.
as evidenced by Stefan Kung while they have a head injury protocol clearly
they aren’t following it, athletes will not stop of their own choice as one
of the symptoms of concussion is the desire to keep going, “I’m fine” and
so on.
Nature of road cycling does make it challenging, ie can’t for example have
a substitute while they are assessed.
Indeed doesn’t sound remotely Marxis
O deliver us from 'experts' especially Marxist experts!
I don't believe that fits Marx's definition of Marxism. You shouldn't
overuse trigger words.
Roger Merriman
grandeur. EVERYONE that could afford it was taking drugs even though they
knew that it could cause cancer and shorten their lifespans. I have no >>> doubt that they are still doping but with the present health passport >>> they have to be very careful perhaps to the point that their health won't
be noticeably effected.
Though with the more focus on aero not sure how close to the limit they >> are.
I suspect for a XC MTB even a hardtail to reach sub 7kg you’d need to make
some performance compromises.
Bit like some of the kit at hill climb bikes, ie ultralight brakes that do
work but not effectively and so on.
Roger Merriman
The claim that someone is selling a 29er FS under 15 lbs is complete bullshit.Well, possible if perhaps not optimal for intended use maybe: https://bikerumor.com/bfs2018-the-worlds-lightest-29er-mountain-bikes-are-a-scott-spark-scale/
Note the date on that,At one time Flunky used to have the ability to read. I suppose that disappeared when he claimed to be an engineer.
--
Andrew Muzi
a...@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
I said that a sub 15 kg full suspension 29er COULD be built, not that it presently was being built.
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