Not all bicycle technology is of the "go a tiny bit faster" type.
I liked the photos linked here https://velo-orange.com/blogs/theveloorangeblog/re-visiting-french-fender-day for creative ideas on tech details, practicality and style.
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Not all bicycle technology is of the "go a tiny bit faster" type.
I liked the photos linked here
https://velo-orange.com/blogs/theveloorangeblog/re-visiting-french-fender-day
for creative ideas on tech details, practicality and style.
Very pretty but I don’t see any technology or rather new technology.
Seems designed for a look I’d assume such bikes don’t see wet days!
On 10/9/2023 4:53 PM, Roger Meriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Not all bicycle technology is of the "go a tiny bit faster" type.
I liked the photos linked here
https://velo-orange.com/blogs/theveloorangeblog/re-visiting-french-fender-day
for creative ideas on tech details, practicality and style.
Very pretty but I don’t see any technology or rather new technology.
I think technology doesn't have to be new to be interesting. Have you
never browsed _The Data Book_, AKA _100 Years of Bicycle Component and Accessory Design_ ?
https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31494534567&searchurl=kn%3D100%2Byears%2Bof%2Bbicycle%2Bcomponent%26sortby%3D17&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title1
Seems designed for a look I’d assume such bikes don’t see wet days!
Hmm. When I see a bike with fenders, I assume it sees at least some wet
days.
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 10/9/2023 4:53 PM, Roger Meriman wrote:Sure get some of the older bikes from collectors/museums with riders in costume in the park fairs occasionally and it’s interesting to see and chat about them.
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Not all bicycle technology is of the "go a tiny bit faster" type.
I liked the photos linked here
https://velo-orange.com/blogs/theveloorangeblog/re-visiting-french-fender-day
for creative ideas on tech details, practicality and style.
Very pretty but I don’t see any technology or rather new technology.
I think technology doesn't have to be new to be interesting. Have you
never browsed _The Data Book_, AKA _100 Years of Bicycle Component and
Accessory Design_ ?
https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31494534567&searchurl=kn%3D100%2Byears%2Bof%2Bbicycle%2Bcomponent%26sortby%3D17&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title1
If it’s utilitarian yes if the bike and parts including the fenders are so clean and designed for a look? Not so much!Seems designed for a look I’d assume such bikes don’t see wet days!
Hmm. When I see a bike with fenders, I assume it sees at least some wet
days.
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 10/9/2023 4:53 PM, Roger Meriman wrote:Sure get some of the older bikes from collectors/museums with riders in >costume in the park fairs occasionally and it’s interesting to see and chat >about them.
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Not all bicycle technology is of the "go a tiny bit faster" type.
I liked the photos linked here
https://velo-orange.com/blogs/theveloorangeblog/re-visiting-french-fender-day
for creative ideas on tech details, practicality and style.
Very pretty but I don’t see any technology or rather new technology.
I think technology doesn't have to be new to be interesting. Have you
never browsed _The Data Book_, AKA _100 Years of Bicycle Component and
Accessory Design_ ?
https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31494534567&searchurl=kn%3D100%2Byears%2Bof%2Bbicycle%2Bcomponent%26sortby%3D17&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title1
If it’s utilitarian yes if the bike and parts including the fenders are so >clean and designed for a look? Not so much!Seems designed for a look I’d assume such bikes don’t see wet days!
Hmm. When I see a bike with fenders, I assume it sees at least some wet
days.
Roger Merriman
On 10/9/2023 7:33 PM, Roger Meriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 10/9/2023 4:53 PM, Roger Meriman wrote:Sure get some of the older bikes from collectors/museums with riders in
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Not all bicycle technology is of the "go a tiny bit faster" type.
I liked the photos linked here
https://velo-orange.com/blogs/theveloorangeblog/re-visiting-french-fender-day
for creative ideas on tech details, practicality and style.
Very pretty but I don’t see any technology or rather new technology.
I think technology doesn't have to be new to be interesting. Have you
never browsed _The Data Book_, AKA _100 Years of Bicycle Component and
Accessory Design_ ?
https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31494534567&searchurl=kn%3D100%2Byears%2Bof%2Bbicycle%2Bcomponent%26sortby%3D17&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title1
costume in the park fairs occasionally and it’s interesting to see and chat
about them.
Long ago, I read somewhere that some Japanese bike component
manufacturer gave copies of _The Data Book_ to its engineers to act as a source of inspiration.
Along those lines: I think when someone is trying to invent something,
it's often productive to examine prior art.
If it’s utilitarian yes if the bike and parts including the fenders are so >> clean and designed for a look? Not so much!Seems designed for a look I’d assume such bikes don’t see wet days! >>>Hmm. When I see a bike with fenders, I assume it sees at least some wet
days.
I admit, I knew one woman whose husband said she had fenders on her bike
only for aesthetic reasons. She liked the way they looked. But I doubt
that's a common motivation. It certainly isn't for me.
On Mon, 09 Oct 2023 23:33:40 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 10/9/2023 4:53 PM, Roger Meriman wrote:Sure get some of the older bikes from collectors/museums with riders in
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Not all bicycle technology is of the "go a tiny bit faster" type.
I liked the photos linked here
https://velo-orange.com/blogs/theveloorangeblog/re-visiting-french-fender-day
for creative ideas on tech details, practicality and style.
Very pretty but I donÂ’t see any technology or rather new technology.
I think technology doesn't have to be new to be interesting. Have you
never browsed _The Data Book_, AKA _100 Years of Bicycle Component and
Accessory Design_ ?
https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31494534567&searchurl=kn%3D100%2Byears%2Bof%2Bbicycle%2Bcomponent%26sortby%3D17&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title1
costume in the park fairs occasionally and itÂ’s interesting to see and chat >> about them.
If itÂ’s utilitarian yes if the bike and parts including the fenders are so >> clean and designed for a look? Not so much!Seems designed for a look IÂ’d assume such bikes donÂ’t see wet days!
Hmm. When I see a bike with fenders, I assume it sees at least some wet
days.
Roger Merriman
The rear fender on my Catrike, and on many other similar trikes is
there to keep road debris off the back of my head and neck. I see some
trikes with front fenders, but I'll have none of that because I'm
really not afraid of getting wet. I have no need to stay clean and dry
so I can sit around after a ride in a greasy-spoon drinking coffee or
beer, eating junk food or pastries while gossiping with other riders.
Not all bicycle technology is of the "go a tiny bit faster" type.
I liked the photos linked here >https://velo-orange.com/blogs/theveloorangeblog/re-visiting-french-fender-day >for creative ideas on tech details, practicality and style.
Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
On Mon, 09 Oct 2023 23:33:40 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>I’d assume such places would be unbothered, most pubs/cafes out in the
wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 10/9/2023 4:53 PM, Roger Meriman wrote:Sure get some of the older bikes from collectors/museums with riders in
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Not all bicycle technology is of the "go a tiny bit faster" type.
I liked the photos linked here
https://velo-orange.com/blogs/theveloorangeblog/re-visiting-french-fender-day
for creative ideas on tech details, practicality and style.
Very pretty but I don?t see any technology or rather new technology.
I think technology doesn't have to be new to be interesting. Have you
never browsed _The Data Book_, AKA _100 Years of Bicycle Component and >>>> Accessory Design_ ?
https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31494534567&searchurl=kn%3D100%2Byears%2Bof%2Bbicycle%2Bcomponent%26sortby%3D17&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title1
costume in the park fairs occasionally and it?s interesting to see and chat >>> about them.
If it?s utilitarian yes if the bike and parts including the fenders are so >>> clean and designed for a look? Not so much!Seems designed for a look I?d assume such bikes don?t see wet days!
Hmm. When I see a bike with fenders, I assume it sees at least some wet >>>> days.
Roger Merriman
The rear fender on my Catrike, and on many other similar trikes is
there to keep road debris off the back of my head and neck. I see some
trikes with front fenders, but I'll have none of that because I'm
really not afraid of getting wet. I have no need to stay clean and dry
so I can sit around after a ride in a greasy-spoon drinking coffee or
beer, eating junk food or pastries while gossiping with other riders.
Surrey hills claim muddle boots welcome as well most folks visiting will be >cycling or dog walking.
Roger Merriman
Am Mon, 9 Oct 2023 14:07:31 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
Not all bicycle technology is of the "go a tiny bit faster" type.
I liked the photos linked here
https://velo-orange.com/blogs/theveloorangeblog/re-visiting-french-fender-day
for creative ideas on tech details, practicality and style.
We actually bought and used french bicycles with fenders, 45 years ago,
a Peugeot P65 for her and a Peugeot PR60/L for me.
<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/tb/k26_p23.jpg>
These served us well for many years.
On of the reasons to buy these lightweight bicycles was indeed "go a
tiny bit faster", compared to what the local shop usually sold. My
randonneur style bike was based on a race bike frame, but equipped and
sold with StVZO conforming lights and fenders by Peugeot. Back racks
where added by the shop, on my request.
We even used both bikes to transport our children, much later.
<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/fahrrad/pr60l02big.jpg>
As nice as these bicycles where, for those times - neither my wife nor I would like to be forced to ride those bikes, anymore. Not all new
bicycle technology is good, but there _has_ been a lot of progress: LED light, hub generators, hub and derailleur gears with a much larger
range, durable tires with lower rolling resistance, to name a few.
For reference, scanned marketing material from that time ...
<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/fahrrad/peugeot/index.htm>
As nice as these bicycles where, for those times - neither my wife nor I would like to be forced to ride those bikes, anymore. Not all new
bicycle technology is good, but there _has_ been a lot of progress: LED light, hub generators, hub and derailleur gears with a much larger
range, durable tires with lower rolling resistance, to name a few.
On 10/10/2023 3:37 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Mon, 9 Oct 2023 14:07:31 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
Not all bicycle technology is of the "go a tiny bit faster" type.
I liked the photos linked here
https://velo-orange.com/blogs/theveloorangeblog/re-visiting-french-fender-day
for creative ideas on tech details, practicality and style.
We actually bought and used french bicycles with fenders, 45 years ago,
a Peugeot P65 for her and a Peugeot PR60/L for me.
<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/tb/k26_p23.jpg>
These served us well for many years.
On of the reasons to buy these lightweight bicycles was indeed "go a
tiny bit faster", compared to what the local shop usually sold. My
randonneur style bike was based on a race bike frame, but equipped and
sold with StVZO conforming lights and fenders by Peugeot. Back racks
where added by the shop, on my request.
We even used both bikes to transport our children, much later.
<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/fahrrad/pr60l02big.jpg>
As nice as these bicycles where, for those times - neither my wife nor I
would like to be forced to ride those bikes, anymore. Not all new
bicycle technology is good, but there _has_ been a lot of progress: LED
light, hub generators, hub and derailleur gears with a much larger
range, durable tires with lower rolling resistance, to name a few.
For reference, scanned marketing material from that time ...
<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/fahrrad/peugeot/index.htm>
We sold these when they were available: >https://obancycles.fr/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/02-4-1280x857.jpg
Much lighter than the comparable Raleigh models.
On 10/10/2023 4:37 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
As nice as these bicycles where, for those times - neither my wife nor I
would like to be forced to ride those bikes, anymore. Not all new
bicycle technology is good, but there _has_ been a lot of progress: LED
light, hub generators, hub and derailleur gears with a much larger
range, durable tires with lower rolling resistance, to name a few.
Certainly there's been practical progress since the mid-1900s. Besides
your list, I'd add slant parallelogram derailleurs and specially shaped
rear cog teeth, spoked wheels that are much more reliable, rim brakes
that are much better, modern racks that put the ancient Pletschers to
shame, bags that are much closer to waterproof, headsets that are much
easier to adjust...
It's still fun for me to look at creativity from long ago.
On 10/9/2023 4:53 PM, Roger Meriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Not all bicycle technology is of the "go a tiny bit faster" type.
I liked the photos linked here
https://velo-orange.com/blogs/theveloorangeblog/re-visiting-french-fender-day
for creative ideas on tech details, practicality and style.
Very pretty but I don’t see any technology or rather new technology.
I think technology doesn't have to be new to be interesting. Have you
never browsed _The Data Book_, AKA _100 Years of Bicycle Component and >Accessory Design_ ?
https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31494534567
Seems designed for a look I’d assume such bikes don’t see wet days!
Hmm. When I see a bike with fenders, I assume it sees at least some wet
days.
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I’d say that 21st century road bikes have had a jump in performance and more focus on comfort and generally being more adaptable ie modern road
Certainly there's been practical progress since the mid-1900s. Besides
your list, I'd add slant parallelogram derailleurs and specially shaped
rear cog teeth, spoked wheels that are much more reliable, rim brakes
that are much better, modern racks that put the ancient Pletschers to
shame, bags that are much closer to waterproof, headsets that are much
easier to adjust...
bike with 30mm tires could of done 80% of my Gravel ride today around the South Downs, with out too much babying the bike. The other 20% would depend on rider abilities, and luck in terms of flint and so on, I suspect the
steep plowed field would be hike a bike though!
But wider tires and more appropriate gearing etc have made modern road
bikes more adaptable. A older bike with 23/25 you’d pinch flat or end up hike a bike multiple sections.
On Mon, 9 Oct 2023 18:04:58 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 10/9/2023 4:53 PM, Roger Meriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Not all bicycle technology is of the "go a tiny bit faster" type.
I liked the photos linked here
https://velo-orange.com/blogs/theveloorangeblog/re-visiting-french-fender-day
for creative ideas on tech details, practicality and style.
Very pretty but I don’t see any technology or rather new technology.
I think technology doesn't have to be new to be interesting. Have you
never browsed _The Data Book_, AKA _100 Years of Bicycle Component and
Accessory Design_ ?
https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31494534567
I bought the book (2nd edition) and didn't like it. The problem is
that it's almost all illustrations (i.e. drawings) of bicycle
components. No names, no part numbers, no description, no indication
how the parts move, and no clue what bicycles they were used on. On
most pages, all that appears is the year. Some of the early pages
include copies of advertisements, which do provide some names and
numbers. Where there are titles or descriptions, they're mostly in
French. The bulk of the book is illustrations.
On 10/10/2023 2:50 PM, Roger Meriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I’d say that 21st century road bikes have had a jump in
Certainly there's been practical progress since the
mid-1900s. Besides
your list, I'd add slant parallelogram derailleurs and
specially shaped
rear cog teeth, spoked wheels that are much more
reliable, rim brakes
that are much better, modern racks that put the ancient
Pletschers to
shame, bags that are much closer to waterproof, headsets
that are much
easier to adjust...
performance and
more focus on comfort and generally being more adaptable
ie modern road
bike with 30mm tires could of done 80% of my Gravel ride
today around the
South Downs, with out too much babying the bike. The other
20% would depend
on rider abilities, and luck in terms of flint and so on,
I suspect the
steep plowed field would be hike a bike though!
But wider tires and more appropriate gearing etc have made
modern road
bikes more adaptable. A older bike with 23/25 you’d pinch
flat or end up
hike a bike multiple sections.
I was never a fan of 23mm or 25mm tires. I've long argued
here against the close clearance frames that limited riders
to those choices. I'm not the reason the fashion has moved
to wider tires and more frame clearance, but I approve.
On 10/10/2023 7:24 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/10/2023 2:50 PM, Roger Meriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I’d say that 21st century road bikes have had a jump in
Certainly there's been practical progress since the
mid-1900s. Besides
your list, I'd add slant parallelogram derailleurs and
specially shaped
rear cog teeth, spoked wheels that are much more
reliable, rim brakes
that are much better, modern racks that put the ancient
Pletschers to
shame, bags that are much closer to waterproof, headsets
that are much
easier to adjust...
performance and
more focus on comfort and generally being more adaptable
ie modern road
bike with 30mm tires could of done 80% of my Gravel ride
today around the
South Downs, with out too much babying the bike. The other
20% would depend
on rider abilities, and luck in terms of flint and so on,
I suspect the
steep plowed field would be hike a bike though!
But wider tires and more appropriate gearing etc have made
modern road
bikes more adaptable. A older bike with 23/25 you’d pinch
flat or end up
hike a bike multiple sections.
I was never a fan of 23mm or 25mm tires. I've long argued
here against the close clearance frames that limited riders
to those choices. I'm not the reason the fashion has moved
to wider tires and more frame clearance, but I approve.
Fine with me, you ought to ride what you like, but I'll stay
with my 22mm tubs thanks.
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