While Vittoria has been advertising these things for a preposterous price of $37 apiece they are the lightest available. Though I'm not sure that makes much of a difference. The Chinese versions are about the same weight as a Latex tube but they don'thave to be pumped up for every ride and they are more flat proof than rubber tubes. They are probably a little harder to install because they are sized for 32 mm tires but I ordered some to test. If they don't need pumping up all the time I will consider
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 11:10:26 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
While Vittoria has been advertising these things for a preposterous
price of $37 apiece they are the lightest available. Though I'm not sure >> that makes much of a difference. The Chinese versions are about the same >> weight as a Latex tube but they don't have to be pumped up for every
ride and they are more flat proof than rubber tubes. They are probably a >> little harder to install because they are sized for 32 mm tires but I
ordered some to test. If they don't need pumping up all the time I will >> consider them a success.
Going back over the advertisements it appears that the Vittoria and Ride About (Chinese) tubes weigh the same. If they are the same quality you
CAN get the Chinese TPU tubes for $2 apiece vs. the Vittoria $37
They will probably take a little experimentation since they don't stretch much and might pinch flat while you're trying to mount them. I'll let you know. I wouldn't believe that the difference in rolling resistance would be measured.
Make sure they are correct size as they don’t stretch as much as your normal tubes. Or they will pop!
I used them, noticeable more comfortable or supple puncture just as easily speed? As with tubeless probably measurable but can’t say I’ve noticed or
tested for that matter.
As far as I’m aware in terms of speed TPU/Latex/Tubeless are all in same ball park.
Roger Merriman
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 11:10:26 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
While Vittoria has been advertising these things for a preposterous
price of $37 apiece they are the lightest available. Though I'm not sure
that makes much of a difference. The Chinese versions are about the same
weight as a Latex tube but they don't have to be pumped up for every
ride and they are more flat proof than rubber tubes. They are probably a
little harder to install because they are sized for 32 mm tires but I
ordered some to test. If they don't need pumping up all the time I will
consider them a success.
Going back over the advertisements it appears that the Vittoria and Ride About (Chinese) tubes weigh the same. If they are the same quality you
CAN get the Chinese TPU tubes for $2 apiece vs. the Vittoria $37
They will probably take a little experimentation since they don't stretch much and might pinch flat while you're trying to mount them. I'll let you know. I wouldn't believe that the difference in rolling resistance would be measured.
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:07:19 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 11:10:26 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote: >>>> While Vittoria has been advertising these things for a preposterousMake sure they are correct size as they don’t stretch as much as your
price of $37 apiece they are the lightest available. Though I'm not sure >>>> that makes much of a difference. The Chinese versions are about the same >>>> weight as a Latex tube but they don't have to be pumped up for every
ride and they are more flat proof than rubber tubes. They are probably a >>>> little harder to install because they are sized for 32 mm tires but I
ordered some to test. If they don't need pumping up all the time I will >>>> consider them a success.
Going back over the advertisements it appears that the Vittoria and Ride >>> About (Chinese) tubes weigh the same. If they are the same quality you
CAN get the Chinese TPU tubes for $2 apiece vs. the Vittoria $37
They will probably take a little experimentation since they don't stretch >>> much and might pinch flat while you're trying to mount them. I'll let you >>> know. I wouldn't believe that the difference in rolling resistance would be measured.
normal tubes. Or they will pop!
I used them, noticeable more comfortable or supple puncture just as easily >> speed? As with tubeless probably measurable but can’t say I’ve noticed or
tested for that matter.
As far as I’m aware in terms of speed TPU/Latex/Tubeless are all in same >> ball park.
Roger Merriman
28 mm tires and 32 mm tubes. They are advertised as being harder to flat,
but I don't know how you would measure that.
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:07:19 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 11:10:26 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:Make sure they are correct size as they don’t stretch as much as your >> normal tubes. Or they will pop!
While Vittoria has been advertising these things for a preposterous >>>> price of $37 apiece they are the lightest available. Though I'm not sure
that makes much of a difference. The Chinese versions are about the same
weight as a Latex tube but they don't have to be pumped up for every >>>> ride and they are more flat proof than rubber tubes. They are probably a
little harder to install because they are sized for 32 mm tires but I >>>> ordered some to test. If they don't need pumping up all the time I will >>>> consider them a success.
Going back over the advertisements it appears that the Vittoria and Ride >>> About (Chinese) tubes weigh the same. If they are the same quality you >>> CAN get the Chinese TPU tubes for $2 apiece vs. the Vittoria $37
They will probably take a little experimentation since they don't stretch
much and might pinch flat while you're trying to mount them. I'll let you
know. I wouldn't believe that the difference in rolling resistance would be measured.
I used them, noticeable more comfortable or supple puncture just as easily
speed? As with tubeless probably measurable but can’t say I’ve noticed or
tested for that matter.
As far as I’m aware in terms of speed TPU/Latex/Tubeless are all in same
ball park.
Roger Merriman
28 mm tires and 32 mm tubes. They are advertised as being harder to flat, but I don't know how you would measure that.
Not in my experience! If I had a pure road bike and didn’t want the faff of
tubeless then I’d certainly consider though expensive tubes, I use them as spares as so small.
With the road bike used to average 2 a year with gritty lanes and gravel paths so potentially your dryer environment would be better still.
Can get fixes to seal the tubes but how well they work? So a puncture can
be expensive!
Roger Merriman
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:31:47 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:07:19 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:Not in my experience! If I had a pure road bike and didn’t want the faff of
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 11:10:26 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote: >>>>>> While Vittoria has been advertising these things for a preposterous >>>>>> price of $37 apiece they are the lightest available. Though I'm not sure >>>>>> that makes much of a difference. The Chinese versions are about the same >>>>>> weight as a Latex tube but they don't have to be pumped up for every >>>>>> ride and they are more flat proof than rubber tubes. They are probably a >>>>>> little harder to install because they are sized for 32 mm tires but I >>>>>> ordered some to test. If they don't need pumping up all the time I will >>>>>> consider them a success.Make sure they are correct size as they don’t stretch as much as your >>>> normal tubes. Or they will pop!
Going back over the advertisements it appears that the Vittoria and Ride >>>>> About (Chinese) tubes weigh the same. If they are the same quality you >>>>> CAN get the Chinese TPU tubes for $2 apiece vs. the Vittoria $37
They will probably take a little experimentation since they don't stretch >>>>> much and might pinch flat while you're trying to mount them. I'll let you >>>>> know. I wouldn't believe that the difference in rolling resistance would be measured.
I used them, noticeable more comfortable or supple puncture just as easily >>>> speed? As with tubeless probably measurable but can’t say I’ve noticed or
tested for that matter.
As far as I’m aware in terms of speed TPU/Latex/Tubeless are all in same >>>> ball park.
Roger Merriman
28 mm tires and 32 mm tubes. They are advertised as being harder to flat, >>> but I don't know how you would measure that.
tubeless then I’d certainly consider though expensive tubes, I use them as >> spares as so small.
With the road bike used to average 2 a year with gritty lanes and gravel
paths so potentially your dryer environment would be better still.
Can get fixes to seal the tubes but how well they work? So a puncture can
be expensive!
Roger Merriman
From China you can get them cheaper than any other tube here.
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:31:47 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:07:19 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:Not in my experience! If I had a pure road bike and didn’t want the faff of
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 11:10:26 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:Make sure they are correct size as they don’t stretch as much as your >>>> normal tubes. Or they will pop!
While Vittoria has been advertising these things for a preposterous >>>>>> price of $37 apiece they are the lightest available. Though I'm not sure
that makes much of a difference. The Chinese versions are about the same
weight as a Latex tube but they don't have to be pumped up for every >>>>>> ride and they are more flat proof than rubber tubes. They are probably a
little harder to install because they are sized for 32 mm tires but I >>>>>> ordered some to test. If they don't need pumping up all the time I will
consider them a success.
Going back over the advertisements it appears that the Vittoria and Ride
About (Chinese) tubes weigh the same. If they are the same quality you >>>>> CAN get the Chinese TPU tubes for $2 apiece vs. the Vittoria $37
They will probably take a little experimentation since they don't stretch
much and might pinch flat while you're trying to mount them. I'll let you
know. I wouldn't believe that the difference in rolling resistance would be measured.
I used them, noticeable more comfortable or supple puncture just as easily
speed? As with tubeless probably measurable but can’t say I’ve noticed or
tested for that matter.
As far as I’m aware in terms of speed TPU/Latex/Tubeless are all in same
ball park.
Roger Merriman
28 mm tires and 32 mm tubes. They are advertised as being harder to flat,
but I don't know how you would measure that.
tubeless then I’d certainly consider though expensive tubes, I use them as
spares as so small.
With the road bike used to average 2 a year with gritty lanes and gravel >> paths so potentially your dryer environment would be better still.
Can get fixes to seal the tubes but how well they work? So a puncture can >> be expensive!
Roger Merriman
From China you can get them cheaper than any other tube here.
You can I’ve not used them myself the Chinese cheap ones that is!
Roger Merriman
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 4:20:38 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:31:47 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:You can I’ve not used them myself the Chinese cheap ones that is!
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:07:19 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:Not in my experience! If I had a pure road bike and didn’t want the faff of
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 11:10:26 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:Make sure they are correct size as they don’t stretch as much as your >>>>>> normal tubes. Or they will pop!
While Vittoria has been advertising these things for a preposterous >>>>>>>> price of $37 apiece they are the lightest available. Though I'm not sure
that makes much of a difference. The Chinese versions are about the same
weight as a Latex tube but they don't have to be pumped up for every >>>>>>>> ride and they are more flat proof than rubber tubes. They are probably a
little harder to install because they are sized for 32 mm tires but I >>>>>>>> ordered some to test. If they don't need pumping up all the time I will
consider them a success.
Going back over the advertisements it appears that the Vittoria and Ride
About (Chinese) tubes weigh the same. If they are the same quality you >>>>>>> CAN get the Chinese TPU tubes for $2 apiece vs. the Vittoria $37 >>>>>>>
They will probably take a little experimentation since they don't stretch
much and might pinch flat while you're trying to mount them. I'll let you
know. I wouldn't believe that the difference in rolling resistance would be measured.
I used them, noticeable more comfortable or supple puncture just as easily
speed? As with tubeless probably measurable but can’t say I’ve noticed or
tested for that matter.
As far as I’m aware in terms of speed TPU/Latex/Tubeless are all in same
ball park.
Roger Merriman
28 mm tires and 32 mm tubes. They are advertised as being harder to flat, >>>>> but I don't know how you would measure that.
tubeless then I’d certainly consider though expensive tubes, I use them as
spares as so small.
With the road bike used to average 2 a year with gritty lanes and gravel >>>> paths so potentially your dryer environment would be better still.
Can get fixes to seal the tubes but how well they work? So a puncture can >>>> be expensive!
Roger Merriman
From China you can get them cheaper than any other tube here.
Roger Merriman
ALL of Vittoria's products are made in China so the difference in their $37 innertubes and my $4 one's are the color.
On 10/5/2023 10:06 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 4:20:38 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote: >>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:31:47 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:You can I’ve not used them myself the Chinese cheap ones that is!
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:07:19 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:Not in my experience! If I had a pure road bike and didn’t want the faff of
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 11:10:26 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:Make sure they are correct size as they don’t stretch as much as your >>>>>>> normal tubes. Or they will pop!
While Vittoria has been advertising these things for a preposterous >>>>>>>>> price of $37 apiece they are the lightest available. Though I'm not sure
that makes much of a difference. The Chinese versions are about the same
weight as a Latex tube but they don't have to be pumped up for every >>>>>>>>> ride and they are more flat proof than rubber tubes. They are probably a
little harder to install because they are sized for 32 mm tires but I >>>>>>>>> ordered some to test. If they don't need pumping up all the time I will
consider them a success.
Going back over the advertisements it appears that the Vittoria and Ride
About (Chinese) tubes weigh the same. If they are the same quality you >>>>>>>> CAN get the Chinese TPU tubes for $2 apiece vs. the Vittoria $37 >>>>>>>>
They will probably take a little experimentation since they don't stretch
much and might pinch flat while you're trying to mount them. I'll let you
know. I wouldn't believe that the difference in rolling resistance would be
measured.
I used them, noticeable more comfortable or supple puncture just as easily
speed? As with tubeless probably measurable but can’t say I’ve noticed or
tested for that matter.
As far as I’m aware in terms of speed TPU/Latex/Tubeless are all in same
ball park.
Roger Merriman
28 mm tires and 32 mm tubes. They are advertised as being harder to flat,
but I don't know how you would measure that.
tubeless then I’d certainly consider though expensive tubes, I use them as
spares as so small.
With the road bike used to average 2 a year with gritty lanes and gravel >>>>> paths so potentially your dryer environment would be better still.
Can get fixes to seal the tubes but how well they work? So a puncture can >>>>> be expensive!
Roger Merriman
From China you can get them cheaper than any other tube here.
Roger Merriman
ALL of Vittoria's products are made in China so the difference in their
$37 innertubes and my $4 one's are the color.
That is absolutely not true.
Vittoria's parent company is Swiss and the majority of
product is Thai.
On 10/5/2023 10:06 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 4:20:38 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:31:47 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:You can I’ve not used them myself the Chinese cheap ones that is!
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:07:19 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:Not in my experience! If I had a pure road bike and didn’t want the faff of
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 11:10:26 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:Make sure they are correct size as they don’t stretch as much as your
While Vittoria has been advertising these things for a preposterous >>>>>>>> price of $37 apiece they are the lightest available. Though I'm not sure
that makes much of a difference. The Chinese versions are about the same
weight as a Latex tube but they don't have to be pumped up for every
ride and they are more flat proof than rubber tubes. They are probably a
little harder to install because they are sized for 32 mm tires but I
ordered some to test. If they don't need pumping up all the time I will
consider them a success.
Going back over the advertisements it appears that the Vittoria and Ride
About (Chinese) tubes weigh the same. If they are the same quality you
CAN get the Chinese TPU tubes for $2 apiece vs. the Vittoria $37 >>>>>>>
They will probably take a little experimentation since they don't stretch
much and might pinch flat while you're trying to mount them. I'll let you
know. I wouldn't believe that the difference in rolling resistance would be measured.
normal tubes. Or they will pop!
I used them, noticeable more comfortable or supple puncture just as easily
speed? As with tubeless probably measurable but can’t say I’ve noticed or
tested for that matter.
As far as I’m aware in terms of speed TPU/Latex/Tubeless are all in same
ball park.
Roger Merriman
28 mm tires and 32 mm tubes. They are advertised as being harder to flat,
but I don't know how you would measure that.
tubeless then I’d certainly consider though expensive tubes, I use them as
spares as so small.
With the road bike used to average 2 a year with gritty lanes and gravel
paths so potentially your dryer environment would be better still.
Can get fixes to seal the tubes but how well they work? So a puncture can
be expensive!
Roger Merriman
From China you can get them cheaper than any other tube here.
Roger Merriman
ALL of Vittoria's products are made in China so the difference in their $37 innertubes and my $4 one's are the color.That is absolutely not true.
Vittoria's parent company is Swiss and the majority of
product is Thai.
--
Andrew Muzi
a...@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:38:34 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/5/2023 10:06 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 4:20:38 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote: >>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:That is absolutely not true.
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:31:47 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:You can I’ve not used them myself the Chinese cheap ones that is!
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:07:19 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:Not in my experience! If I had a pure road bike and didn’t want the faff of
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 11:10:26 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:Make sure they are correct size as they don’t stretch as much as your
While Vittoria has been advertising these things for a preposterous >>>>>>>>>> price of $37 apiece they are the lightest available. Though I'm not sure
that makes much of a difference. The Chinese versions are about the same
weight as a Latex tube but they don't have to be pumped up for every >>>>>>>>>> ride and they are more flat proof than rubber tubes. They are probably a
little harder to install because they are sized for 32 mm tires but I
ordered some to test. If they don't need pumping up all the time I will
consider them a success.
Going back over the advertisements it appears that the Vittoria and Ride
About (Chinese) tubes weigh the same. If they are the same quality you
CAN get the Chinese TPU tubes for $2 apiece vs. the Vittoria $37 >>>>>>>>>
They will probably take a little experimentation since they don't stretch
much and might pinch flat while you're trying to mount them. I'll let you
know. I wouldn't believe that the difference in rolling resistance would be measured.
normal tubes. Or they will pop!
I used them, noticeable more comfortable or supple puncture just as easily
speed? As with tubeless probably measurable but can’t say I’ve noticed or
tested for that matter.
As far as I’m aware in terms of speed TPU/Latex/Tubeless are all in same
ball park.
Roger Merriman
28 mm tires and 32 mm tubes. They are advertised as being harder to flat,
but I don't know how you would measure that.
tubeless then I’d certainly consider though expensive tubes, I use them as
spares as so small.
With the road bike used to average 2 a year with gritty lanes and gravel >>>>>> paths so potentially your dryer environment would be better still. >>>>>>
Can get fixes to seal the tubes but how well they work? So a puncture can
be expensive!
Roger Merriman
From China you can get them cheaper than any other tube here.
Roger Merriman
ALL of Vittoria's products are made in China so the difference in their $37 innertubes and my $4 one's are the color.
Vittoria's parent company is Swiss and the majority of
product is Thai.
--
Andrew Muzi
a...@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
When they shut down Vittoria in Italy they announced that all of their tires were going to be made in China. I don't know why they would have announced China and then build their tires in Thailand since labor is cheaper in China.
Of course that would suggest why the TPU tubes from Vittoria are $37 and those from China are as low as $2.
On 10/5/2023 10:06 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 4:20:38?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:31:47?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote: >>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:You can I’ve not used them myself the Chinese cheap ones that is!
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:07:19?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:Not in my experience! If I had a pure road bike and didn’t want the faff of
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 11:10:26?AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:Make sure they are correct size as they don’t stretch as much as your >>>>>>> normal tubes. Or they will pop!
While Vittoria has been advertising these things for a preposterous >>>>>>>>> price of $37 apiece they are the lightest available. Though I'm not sure
that makes much of a difference. The Chinese versions are about the same
weight as a Latex tube but they don't have to be pumped up for every >>>>>>>>> ride and they are more flat proof than rubber tubes. They are probably a
little harder to install because they are sized for 32 mm tires but I >>>>>>>>> ordered some to test. If they don't need pumping up all the time I will
consider them a success.
Going back over the advertisements it appears that the Vittoria and Ride
About (Chinese) tubes weigh the same. If they are the same quality you >>>>>>>> CAN get the Chinese TPU tubes for $2 apiece vs. the Vittoria $37 >>>>>>>>
They will probably take a little experimentation since they don't stretch
much and might pinch flat while you're trying to mount them. I'll let you
know. I wouldn't believe that the difference in rolling resistance would be measured.
I used them, noticeable more comfortable or supple puncture just as easily
speed? As with tubeless probably measurable but can’t say I’ve noticed or
tested for that matter.
As far as I’m aware in terms of speed TPU/Latex/Tubeless are all in same
ball park.
Roger Merriman
28 mm tires and 32 mm tubes. They are advertised as being harder to flat,
but I don't know how you would measure that.
tubeless then I’d certainly consider though expensive tubes, I use them as
spares as so small.
With the road bike used to average 2 a year with gritty lanes and gravel >>>>> paths so potentially your dryer environment would be better still.
Can get fixes to seal the tubes but how well they work? So a puncture can >>>>> be expensive!
Roger Merriman
From China you can get them cheaper than any other tube here.
Roger Merriman
ALL of Vittoria's products are made in China so the difference in their $37 innertubes and my $4 one's are the color.
That is absolutely not true.
Vittoria's parent company is Swiss and the majority of
product is Thai.
On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 10:38:29 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 10/5/2023 10:06 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 4:20:38?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote: >>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:31:47?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:You can I’ve not used them myself the Chinese cheap ones that is!
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:07:19?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:Not in my experience! If I had a pure road bike and didn’t want the faff of
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 11:10:26?AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:Make sure they are correct size as they don’t stretch as much as your
While Vittoria has been advertising these things for a preposterous >>>>>>>>>> price of $37 apiece they are the lightest available. Though I'm not sure
that makes much of a difference. The Chinese versions are about the same
weight as a Latex tube but they don't have to be pumped up for every >>>>>>>>>> ride and they are more flat proof than rubber tubes. They are probably a
little harder to install because they are sized for 32 mm tires but I
ordered some to test. If they don't need pumping up all the time I will
consider them a success.
Going back over the advertisements it appears that the Vittoria and Ride
About (Chinese) tubes weigh the same. If they are the same quality you
CAN get the Chinese TPU tubes for $2 apiece vs. the Vittoria $37 >>>>>>>>>
They will probably take a little experimentation since they don't stretch
much and might pinch flat while you're trying to mount them. I'll let you
know. I wouldn't believe that the difference in rolling resistance would be measured.
normal tubes. Or they will pop!
I used them, noticeable more comfortable or supple puncture just as easily
speed? As with tubeless probably measurable but can’t say I’ve noticed or
tested for that matter.
As far as I’m aware in terms of speed TPU/Latex/Tubeless are all in same
ball park.
Roger Merriman
28 mm tires and 32 mm tubes. They are advertised as being harder to flat,
but I don't know how you would measure that.
tubeless then I’d certainly consider though expensive tubes, I use them as
spares as so small.
With the road bike used to average 2 a year with gritty lanes and gravel >>>>>> paths so potentially your dryer environment would be better still. >>>>>>
Can get fixes to seal the tubes but how well they work? So a puncture can
be expensive!
Roger Merriman
From China you can get them cheaper than any other tube here.
Roger Merriman
ALL of Vittoria's products are made in China so the difference in their $37 innertubes and my $4 one's are the color.
That is absolutely not true.
Vittoria's parent company is Swiss and the majority of
product is Thai.
Located in Bangkok, Vittoria Tyres Thailand (VTT) is the production
facility where the Vittoria Group concentrates its production of
quality bicycle tyres, tubulars and inner tubes. Vittoria Tyres
Thailand was created to handle production, as well as research and development. They are the largest company in the Group, employing over
1300 employees spread across five buildings, totaling more than
100,000 square feet.
On 10/5/2023 4:33 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:You seem to be implying that the Chinese versions are crap. That "test" that Mariman cited wasn't any sort of a test. Because TPU doesn't expand like latex or rubber, they have to be held inside of a tire. So you can't judge their worth from that.
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:38:34 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/5/2023 10:06 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 4:20:38 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:That is absolutely not true.
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:31:47 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:You can I’ve not used them myself the Chinese cheap ones that is! >>>>
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:07:19 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:Not in my experience! If I had a pure road bike and didn’t want the faff of
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 11:10:26 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:Make sure they are correct size as they don’t stretch as much as your
While Vittoria has been advertising these things for a preposterous
price of $37 apiece they are the lightest available. Though I'm not sure
that makes much of a difference. The Chinese versions are about the same
weight as a Latex tube but they don't have to be pumped up for every
ride and they are more flat proof than rubber tubes. They are probably a
little harder to install because they are sized for 32 mm tires but I
ordered some to test. If they don't need pumping up all the time I will
consider them a success.
Going back over the advertisements it appears that the Vittoria and Ride
About (Chinese) tubes weigh the same. If they are the same quality you
CAN get the Chinese TPU tubes for $2 apiece vs. the Vittoria $37 >>>>>>>>>
They will probably take a little experimentation since they don't stretch
much and might pinch flat while you're trying to mount them. I'll let you
know. I wouldn't believe that the difference in rolling resistance would be measured.
normal tubes. Or they will pop!
I used them, noticeable more comfortable or supple puncture just as easily
speed? As with tubeless probably measurable but can’t say I’ve noticed or
tested for that matter.
As far as I’m aware in terms of speed TPU/Latex/Tubeless are all in same
ball park.
Roger Merriman
28 mm tires and 32 mm tubes. They are advertised as being harder to flat,
but I don't know how you would measure that.
tubeless then I’d certainly consider though expensive tubes, I use them as
spares as so small.
With the road bike used to average 2 a year with gritty lanes and gravel
paths so potentially your dryer environment would be better still. >>>>>>
Can get fixes to seal the tubes but how well they work? So a puncture can
be expensive!
Roger Merriman
From China you can get them cheaper than any other tube here.
Roger Merriman
ALL of Vittoria's products are made in China so the difference in their $37 innertubes and my $4 one's are the color.
Vittoria's parent company is Swiss and the majority of
product is Thai.
--
Andrew Muzi
a...@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
When they shut down Vittoria in Italy they announced that all of their tires were going to be made in China. I don't know why they would have announced China and then build their tires in Thailand since labor is cheaper in China.
Of course that would suggest why the TPU tubes from Vittoria are $37 and those from China are as low as $2.I have no idea but Vittoria Thailand has been a main
supplier to us for 25 years.
One possible explanation may be that Vittoria inner tubes
are not crap.
--
Andrew Muzi
a...@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 3:00:35 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/5/2023 4:33 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:38:34 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:I have no idea but Vittoria Thailand has been a main
On 10/5/2023 10:06 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 4:20:38 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote: >>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:That is absolutely not true.
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:31:47 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:You can I’ve not used them myself the Chinese cheap ones that is! >>>>>>
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:07:19 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:Not in my experience! If I had a pure road bike and didn’t want the faff of
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 11:10:26 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:Make sure they are correct size as they don’t stretch as much as your
While Vittoria has been advertising these things for a preposterous
price of $37 apiece they are the lightest available. Though I'm not sure
that makes much of a difference. The Chinese versions are about the same
weight as a Latex tube but they don't have to be pumped up for every
ride and they are more flat proof than rubber tubes. They are probably a
little harder to install because they are sized for 32 mm tires but I
ordered some to test. If they don't need pumping up all the time I will
consider them a success.
Going back over the advertisements it appears that the Vittoria and Ride
About (Chinese) tubes weigh the same. If they are the same quality you
CAN get the Chinese TPU tubes for $2 apiece vs. the Vittoria $37 >>>>>>>>>>>
They will probably take a little experimentation since they don't stretch
much and might pinch flat while you're trying to mount them. I'll let you
know. I wouldn't believe that the difference in rolling resistance would be measured.
normal tubes. Or they will pop!
I used them, noticeable more comfortable or supple puncture just as easily
speed? As with tubeless probably measurable but can’t say I’ve noticed or
tested for that matter.
As far as I’m aware in terms of speed TPU/Latex/Tubeless are all in same
ball park.
Roger Merriman
28 mm tires and 32 mm tubes. They are advertised as being harder to flat,
but I don't know how you would measure that.
tubeless then I’d certainly consider though expensive tubes, I use them as
spares as so small.
With the road bike used to average 2 a year with gritty lanes and gravel
paths so potentially your dryer environment would be better still. >>>>>>>>
Can get fixes to seal the tubes but how well they work? So a puncture can
be expensive!
Roger Merriman
From China you can get them cheaper than any other tube here.
Roger Merriman
ALL of Vittoria's products are made in China so the difference in their $37 innertubes and my $4 one's are the color.
Vittoria's parent company is Swiss and the majority of
product is Thai.
--
Andrew Muzi
a...@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
When they shut down Vittoria in Italy they announced that all of their tires were going to be made in China. I don't know why they would have announced China and then build their tires in Thailand since labor is cheaper in China.
Of course that would suggest why the TPU tubes from Vittoria are $37 and those from China are as low as $2.
supplier to us for 25 years.
One possible explanation may be that Vittoria inner tubes
are not crap.
You seem to be implying that the Chinese versions are crap. That "test" that Mariman cited wasn't any sort of a test. Because TPU doesn't expand like latex or rubber, they have to be held inside of a tire. So you can't judge their worth from that.
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:38:34?AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/5/2023 10:06 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 4:20:38?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:That is absolutely not true.
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:31:47?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:You can I’ve not used them myself the Chinese cheap ones that is!
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:07:19?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:Not in my experience! If I had a pure road bike and didn’t want the faff of
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 11:10:26?AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:Make sure they are correct size as they don’t stretch as much as your >> >>>>>> normal tubes. Or they will pop!
While Vittoria has been advertising these things for a preposterous >> >>>>>>>> price of $37 apiece they are the lightest available. Though I'm not sure
that makes much of a difference. The Chinese versions are about the same
weight as a Latex tube but they don't have to be pumped up for every
ride and they are more flat proof than rubber tubes. They are probably a
little harder to install because they are sized for 32 mm tires but I
ordered some to test. If they don't need pumping up all the time I will
consider them a success.
Going back over the advertisements it appears that the Vittoria and Ride
About (Chinese) tubes weigh the same. If they are the same quality you
CAN get the Chinese TPU tubes for $2 apiece vs. the Vittoria $37
They will probably take a little experimentation since they don't stretch
much and might pinch flat while you're trying to mount them. I'll let you
know. I wouldn't believe that the difference in rolling resistance would be measured.
I used them, noticeable more comfortable or supple puncture just as easily
speed? As with tubeless probably measurable but can’t say I’ve noticed or
tested for that matter.
As far as I’m aware in terms of speed TPU/Latex/Tubeless are all in same
ball park.
Roger Merriman
28 mm tires and 32 mm tubes. They are advertised as being harder to flat,
but I don't know how you would measure that.
tubeless then I’d certainly consider though expensive tubes, I use them as
spares as so small.
With the road bike used to average 2 a year with gritty lanes and gravel
paths so potentially your dryer environment would be better still.
Can get fixes to seal the tubes but how well they work? So a puncture can
be expensive!
Roger Merriman
From China you can get them cheaper than any other tube here.
Roger Merriman
ALL of Vittoria's products are made in China so the difference in their $37 innertubes and my $4 one's are the color.
Vittoria's parent company is Swiss and the majority of
product is Thai.
--
Andrew Muzi
a...@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
When they shut down Vittoria in Italy they announced that all of their tires were going to be made in China. I don't know why they would have announced China and then build their tires in Thailand since labor is cheaper in China.
Of course that would suggest why the TPU tubes from Vittoria are $37 and those from China are as low as $2.
On 10/5/2023 5:40 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 3:00:35 PM UTC-7, AMuzi
wrote:
On 10/5/2023 4:33 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:38:34 AM UTC-7, AMuziI have no idea but Vittoria Thailand has been a main
wrote:
On 10/5/2023 10:06 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 4:20:38 PM UTC-7,That is absolutely not true.
Roger Meriman wrote:
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:31:47 PMYou can I’ve not used them myself the Chinese cheap
UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:07:19 PMNot in my experience! If I had a pure road bike and
UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 11:10:26 AMMake sure they are correct size as they don’t
UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
While Vittoria has been advertising these
things for a preposterous
price of $37 apiece they are the lightest
available. Though I'm not sure
that makes much of a difference. The Chinese
versions are about the same
weight as a Latex tube but they don't have to
be pumped up for every
ride and they are more flat proof than rubber
tubes. They are probably a
little harder to install because they are sized
for 32 mm tires but I
ordered some to test. If they don't need
pumping up all the time I will
consider them a success.
Going back over the advertisements it appears
that the Vittoria and Ride
About (Chinese) tubes weigh the same. If they
are the same quality you
CAN get the Chinese TPU tubes for $2 apiece vs.
the Vittoria $37
They will probably take a little experimentation
since they don't stretch
much and might pinch flat while you're trying to
mount them. I'll let you
know. I wouldn't believe that the difference in
rolling resistance would be measured.
stretch as much as your
normal tubes. Or they will pop!
I used them, noticeable more comfortable or
supple puncture just as easily
speed? As with tubeless probably measurable but
can’t say I’ve noticed or
tested for that matter.
As far as I’m aware in terms of speed
TPU/Latex/Tubeless are all in same
ball park.
Roger Merriman
28 mm tires and 32 mm tubes. They are advertised
as being harder to flat,
but I don't know how you would measure that.
didn’t want the faff of
tubeless then I’d certainly consider though
expensive tubes, I use them as
spares as so small.
With the road bike used to average 2 a year with
gritty lanes and gravel
paths so potentially your dryer environment would
be better still.
Can get fixes to seal the tubes but how well they
work? So a puncture can
be expensive!
Roger Merriman
 From China you can get them cheaper than any other
tube here.
ones that is!
Roger Merriman
ALL of Vittoria's products are made in China so the
difference in their $37 innertubes and my $4 one's are
the color.
Vittoria's parent company is Swiss and the majority of
product is Thai.
--
Andrew Muzi
a...@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
When they shut down Vittoria in Italy they announced
that all of their tires were going to be made in China.
I don't know why they would have announced China and
then build their tires in Thailand since labor is
cheaper in China.
Of course that would suggest why the TPU tubes from
Vittoria are $37 and those from China are as low as $2.
supplier to us for 25 years.
One possible explanation may be that Vittoria inner tubes
are not crap.
You seem to be implying that the Chinese versions are
crap. That "test" that Mariman cited wasn't any sort of a
test. Because TPU doesn't expand like latex or rubber,
they have to be held inside of a tire. So you can't judge
their worth from that.
I don't judge their worth at all. I hope never to have to
(thinking here of Poly tubes from the 1980s).
My general experience makes me suspect that 'same product'
at 1/20 the cost is not the same product. YMMV
On 10/5/2023 5:40 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 3:00:35?PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/5/2023 4:33 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:38:34?AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:I have no idea but Vittoria Thailand has been a main
On 10/5/2023 10:06 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 4:20:38?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote: >>>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:That is absolutely not true.
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:31:47?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:You can I’ve not used them myself the Chinese cheap ones that is! >>>>>>>
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:07:19?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:Not in my experience! If I had a pure road bike and didn’t want the faff of
Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 11:10:26?AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:Make sure they are correct size as they don’t stretch as much as your
While Vittoria has been advertising these things for a preposterous
price of $37 apiece they are the lightest available. Though I'm not sure
that makes much of a difference. The Chinese versions are about the same
weight as a Latex tube but they don't have to be pumped up for every
ride and they are more flat proof than rubber tubes. They are probably a
little harder to install because they are sized for 32 mm tires but I
ordered some to test. If they don't need pumping up all the time I will
consider them a success.
Going back over the advertisements it appears that the Vittoria and Ride
About (Chinese) tubes weigh the same. If they are the same quality you
CAN get the Chinese TPU tubes for $2 apiece vs. the Vittoria $37 >>>>>>>>>>>>
They will probably take a little experimentation since they don't stretch
much and might pinch flat while you're trying to mount them. I'll let you
know. I wouldn't believe that the difference in rolling resistance would be measured.
normal tubes. Or they will pop!
I used them, noticeable more comfortable or supple puncture just as easily
speed? As with tubeless probably measurable but can’t say I’ve noticed or
tested for that matter.
As far as I’m aware in terms of speed TPU/Latex/Tubeless are all in same
ball park.
Roger Merriman
28 mm tires and 32 mm tubes. They are advertised as being harder to flat,
but I don't know how you would measure that.
tubeless then I’d certainly consider though expensive tubes, I use them as
spares as so small.
With the road bike used to average 2 a year with gritty lanes and gravel
paths so potentially your dryer environment would be better still. >>>>>>>>>
Can get fixes to seal the tubes but how well they work? So a puncture can
be expensive!
Roger Merriman
From China you can get them cheaper than any other tube here. >>>>>>>>
Roger Merriman
ALL of Vittoria's products are made in China so the difference in their $37 innertubes and my $4 one's are the color.
Vittoria's parent company is Swiss and the majority of
product is Thai.
--
Andrew Muzi
a...@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
When they shut down Vittoria in Italy they announced that all of their tires were going to be made in China. I don't know why they would have announced China and then build their tires in Thailand since labor is cheaper in China.
Of course that would suggest why the TPU tubes from Vittoria are $37 and those from China are as low as $2.
supplier to us for 25 years.
One possible explanation may be that Vittoria inner tubes
are not crap.
You seem to be implying that the Chinese versions are crap. That "test" that Mariman cited wasn't any sort of a test. Because TPU doesn't expand like latex or rubber, they have to be held inside of a tire. So you can't judge their worth from that.
I don't judge their worth at all. I hope never to have to
(thinking here of Poly tubes from the 1980s).
My general experience makes me suspect that 'same product'
at 1/20 the cost is not the same product. YMMV
On 10/5/2023 5:16 PM, John B. wrote:
Located in Bangkok, Vittoria Tyres Thailand (VTT) is the production facility where the Vittoria Group concentrates its production of
quality bicycle tyres, tubulars and inner tubes. Vittoria Tyres
Thailand was created to handle production, as well as research and development. They are the largest company in the Group, employing over 1300 employees spread across five buildings, totaling more than
100,000 square feet.
With machinery and fixtures from Clement and Vittoria Italy
as well as the former Liontires Singapore
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 3:32:24?PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/5/2023 5:16 PM, John B. wrote:
Located in Bangkok, Vittoria Tyres Thailand (VTT) is the productionWith machinery and fixtures from Clement and Vittoria Italy
facility where the Vittoria Group concentrates its production of
quality bicycle tyres, tubulars and inner tubes. Vittoria Tyres
Thailand was created to handle production, as well as research and
development. They are the largest company in the Group, employing over
1300 employees spread across five buildings, totaling more than
100,000 square feet.
as well as the former Liontires Singapore
The late Peter Rich left me with the understanding that what survived of Clement's assets was picked up by what's now known as Challenge tires. Their factory is (also?) in Bangkok, but I'd understood them to be independent from Vittoria.
Being located in Thailand isn't just a matter of labour costs, but also of being close to the source of the raw natural rubber (latex).
-Luns
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