On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 1:52:15 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:

On Sun, 1 Oct 2023 21:08:26 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 10/1/2023 5:56 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 10/1/2023 1:50 PM, AMuzi wrote:

On 10/1/2023 12:32 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

Let's use machinist skills as an example. Is it better to
hire a guy who bought a tiny hobby lathe and played in
his basement? Or a guy who went through a two year
machinist school, learned everything from basic math to
CNC programming, then completed an apprentice program
under a trained machinist?

Anti-education yahoos may claim the former guy can do
just as well. But those are the sorts of guys who leave
their fingers behind on the band saw table. At best,
those guys have no idea how limited their knowledge is.

Goes both ways.

There was a time when formal education was respected but
that was back when it was respectable.

https://wirepoints.org/how-can-84-of-chicago-public-schools-students-graduate-when-only-26-of-11th-graders-are-proficient-in-reading-math-wirepoints-quickpoint/

(note link is two years old; Per pupil cost is now $30,000
and both literacy and mathematics proficiency have
plummeted since)

Chicago may have problems. But it's quite a leap from that
statement to the concept that no education has value.

What do you think of the tricycle rider's claim that
machinists are better with zero classroom training?

And should that also apply to physician training? To
computer programming? To auto mechanics, in this day of
electronic controls and dozens of sensors? To business
accounting? To engineering?

It's nonsense. Those with education would know that.

No I was not categorical. I merely noted that it goes both ways.

Although I was satisfied that I learned $129 per semester of
useful things at university, tech (night) school gave me
more directly useful education at a small fraction of the cost.

I have also hired university graduates who could not compose
well in English, displayed an aversion if not fear of
arithmetic and were woefully ignorant of their own country
and culture.

There are many paths to many kinds of education. None come
with guarantees.

One of the major problems with so many "education" venues is that once
the "instructors" get the student's attention, they use it to
propagandize, even to the extent that the propagandizing becomes the
primary agenda.

The notion that some colleges have courses, even degrees relating to
"Gender Studies," is beyond ridiculous.

Since we're the same age I wonder where you were schooled. Since it was right after the war no parent would stand one second for either incompetency or the likes of Krygowski. All it would take is ONE positive word about communism as Frank so loves to do
and every parent would be standing in line to punch him out. Maybe Frank believes that Captain America is a comic book character but he would rapidly discover that every parent was. My father and two uncles were the scariest people possible to people
like Frank. My uncle John could not touch him because he had been a pro fighter but uncle Angelo would look sideways at Frank and he would have a heart attack and die on the spot.

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