https://ktla.com/news/local-news/video-captures-thieves-escaping-with-40000-worth-of-high-end-bikes-from-irwindale-shop/
Bianchi dealer too.
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On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:18:50?AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/video-captures-thieves-escaping-with-40000-worth-of-high-end-bikes-from-irwindale-shop/
Bianchi dealer too.
Where was the alarm and hence the police?
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 08:40:48 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:18:50?AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/video-captures-thieves-escaping-with-40000-worth-of-high-end-bikes-from-irwindale-shop/
Bianchi dealer too.
Where was the alarm and hence the police?
"Counting the Seconds: Uncovering Average Police Response Time in
2023"
<https://www.saferwatchapp.com/blog/police-response-time/>
For Los Angeles, 5.7 minutes.
However, that's probably for a priority 911 call and not a "property
crime". If the police are busy, the response might be to file an
online police report:
<https://www.lapdonline.org/file-a-police-report/>
and contact your insurance company. When there is a shortage of
officers, that's the likely scenario:
(Aug 8, 2023)
"LAPD employment numbers shrink, report says" <https://www.foxla.com/news/lapd-employment-numbers-shrink>
(Mar 20, 2022)
"Los Angeles Limiting Police Response to Home Alarms" <https://www.deepsentinel.com/blogs/news/los-angeles-limiting-police-response-to-home-alarms/>
"...97% of alarm calls they receive are false."
I'm not sure, but I suspect that business false alarms are not much
better.
One of the local bike shops has cable locks attached to each of the
higher priced bicycles and nearby racks or fastened to something
that's not very portable. The locks are not very good quality. They
are probably intended to slow down smash and grab burglars rather than protect the bicycle from theft.
One of the local bike shops has cable locks attached to each of the
higher priced bicycles and nearby racks or fastened to something
that's not very portable. The locks are not very good quality. They
are probably intended to slow down smash and grab burglars rather than protect the bicycle from theft.
One of the local bike shops has cable locks attached to each of the
higher priced bicycles and nearby racks or fastened to something
that's not very portable. The locks are not very good quality. They
are probably intended to slow down smash and grab burglars rather than protect the bicycle from theft.
On 9/10/2023 12:45 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
One of the local bike shops has cable locks attached to each of the
higher priced bicycles and nearby racks or fastened to something
that's not very portable. The locks are not very good quality. They
are probably intended to slow down smash and grab burglars rather than
protect the bicycle from theft.
Makes sense. The local Lowe's hardware store has long cables to tie down
the mowers, snow blowers or whatever other machines they park out front.
I'm sure Lowe's also sells tools suitable for cutting those same cables.
But so far their scheme seems to have worked well enough.
On 9/10/2023 11:45 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
<snip>
One of the local bike shops has cable locks attached to each of the
higher priced bicycles and nearby racks or fastened to something
that's not very portable. The locks are not very good quality. They
are probably intended to slow down smash and grab burglars rather than
protect the bicycle from theft.
I once saw some bicycle racks for parking your bike where a steel bar
with two round steel bars tilted up through the front wheel and rear
triangle and then you locked a tab with a padlock which was inside a
steel tube so you could not get to the padlock with an angle grinder or
bolt cutters. I think these racks must have been a custom job since I've >never seen them again. Kind of like this ><https://www.seattlebikeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/IMG_1439.jpg>
but without the bike locker activation system. I would think that a bike
shop could have something like that welded up, even two level, to secure
the expensive bikes. It would be really time-consuming to steal a
bicycle secured with this kind of rack.
That's a good idea for an outdoor bike rack, but might be a bit
awkward for indoor use in a traditionally over-crowded LBS. From your description, my guess is one of these lockers would cost (retail) $400
plus an additional $100 to cover the cost of bolting it to the
(concrete?) floor. The devices would also require additional floor
space. Maybe 100 bicycles on the showroom floor. That's $50,000
total. I don't think that's practical and just moving a bike rack
indoors would probably suffice.
On 9/10/2023 3:27 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
<snip>
That's a good idea for an outdoor bike rack, but might be
a bit
awkward for indoor use in a traditionally over-crowded
LBS. From your
description, my guess is one of these lockers would cost
(retail) $400
plus an additional $100 to cover the cost of bolting it to
the
(concrete?) floor. The devices would also require
additional floor
space. Maybe 100 bicycles on the showroom floor. That's
$50,000
total. I don't think that's practical and just moving a
bike rack
indoors would probably suffice.
True, but only locking up the really expensive bikes would
be necessary. Or perhaps just a bunch of U locks attached to
each other would work.
I've seen foolish setups where a shop uses one really long
cable through a bunch of bikes. It only takes one cut to get
to all the bikes.
On 9/10/2023 11:45 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 08:40:48 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:18:50?AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/video-captures-thieves-escaping-with-40000-worth-of-high-end-bikes-from-irwindale-shop/
Bianchi dealer too.
Where was the alarm and hence the police?
"Counting the Seconds: Uncovering Average Police Response Time in
2023"
<https://www.saferwatchapp.com/blog/police-response-time/>
For Los Angeles, 5.7 minutes.
However, that's probably for a priority 911 call and not a "property
crime". If the police are busy, the response might be to file an
online police report:
<https://www.lapdonline.org/file-a-police-report/>
and contact your insurance company. When there is a shortage of
officers, that's the likely scenario:
(Aug 8, 2023)
"LAPD employment numbers shrink, report says"
<https://www.foxla.com/news/lapd-employment-numbers-shrink>
(Mar 20, 2022)
"Los Angeles Limiting Police Response to Home Alarms"
<https://www.deepsentinel.com/blogs/news/los-angeles-limiting-police-response-to-home-alarms/>
"...97% of alarm calls they receive are false."
I'm not sure, but I suspect that business false alarms are not much
better.
One of the local bike shops has cable locks attached to each of the
higher priced bicycles and nearby racks or fastened to something
that's not very portable. The locks are not very good quality. They
are probably intended to slow down smash and grab burglars rather than
protect the bicycle from theft.
Good system.
I had 30-foot straight cables made up to pass through the
bikes in the window at night. Stops 'smash glass, grab a
bike' and slows people going though a row of bikes to get
farther inside.
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 13:34:07 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 9/10/2023 12:45 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
One of the local bike shops has cable locks attached to each of the
higher priced bicycles and nearby racks or fastened to something
that's not very portable. The locks are not very good quality. They
are probably intended to slow down smash and grab burglars rather than
protect the bicycle from theft.
Makes sense. The local Lowe's hardware store has long cables to tie down
the mowers, snow blowers or whatever other machines they park out front.
Bad idea. Locking cables are easily cut with a battery powered angle
grinder and a cut-off wheel.
"Stealing My Own Bike - 7 Bike Locks Vs Angle Grinder" <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfZ-S63AsPQ>
"We Destroyed 6 Of The Best Bicycle Locks" <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBxyaFf379g>
If noise is a problem, a hydraulic cutter works nicely:
"Hydraulic Cutter vs. Kryptonite Keeper Bicycle U-Lock" <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyORzskAkkY>
12 seconds.
The problem with using a single cable is that all the bicycles are
unlocked with a single cut in the cable. That doesn't create much of
a slowdown. The best way is to force the burglars to cut one cable
for every bicycle they steal. It's not a huge deterrent and won't
stop a smash and grab thief from stealing a single bicycle. It also
won't do much for slowing down 5 burglars, each stealing one bicycle
each, assuming they have 5 angle grinders.
I'm sure Lowe's also sells tools suitable for cutting those same cables.
But so far their scheme seems to have worked well enough.
To the smash and grab thief, time is critical. If it takes too long,
there's an increasing chance of being identified or caught. Usually,
the thief will prefer the low hanging fruit and find a store where
it's easier and faster to steal things. Deterrence helps.
Personally, I prefer to pick or bypass the lock. It also doesn't take
very long because most US locks are junk. <https://www.youtube.com/@lockpickinglawyer/search?query=bicycle%20lock>
On 9/10/2023 3:57 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Personally, I prefer to pick or bypass the lock. It also doesn't take
very long because most US locks are junk.
<https://www.youtube.com/@lockpickinglawyer/search?query=bicycle%20lock>
You must be much faster at picking locks than I am! I've done it, but
for me it's a very slow process, with less than 100% success.
On 9/10/2023 11:45 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 08:40:48 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:18:50?AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/video-captures-thieves-escaping-with-40000-worth-of-high-end-bikes-from-irwindale-shop/
Bianchi dealer too.
Where was the alarm and hence the police?
"Counting the Seconds: Uncovering Average Police Response Time in
2023"
<https://www.saferwatchapp.com/blog/police-response-time/>
For Los Angeles, 5.7 minutes.
However, that's probably for a priority 911 call and not a "property
crime". If the police are busy, the response might be to file an
online police report:
<https://www.lapdonline.org/file-a-police-report/>
and contact your insurance company. When there is a shortage of
officers, that's the likely scenario:
(Aug 8, 2023)
"LAPD employment numbers shrink, report says"
<https://www.foxla.com/news/lapd-employment-numbers-shrink>
(Mar 20, 2022)
"Los Angeles Limiting Police Response to Home Alarms"
<https://www.deepsentinel.com/blogs/news/los-angeles-limiting-police-response-to-home-alarms/>
"...97% of alarm calls they receive are false."
I'm not sure, but I suspect that business false alarms are not much
better.
One of the local bike shops has cable locks attached to each of the
higher priced bicycles and nearby racks or fastened to something
that's not very portable. The locks are not very good quality. They
are probably intended to slow down smash and grab burglars rather than
protect the bicycle from theft.
Good system.
I had 30-foot straight cables made up to pass through the
bikes in the window at night. Stops 'smash glass, grab a
bike' and slows people going though a row of bikes to get
farther inside.
On 9/10/2023 11:45 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
<snip>
One of the local bike shops has cable locks attached to each of the
higher priced bicycles and nearby racks or fastened to something
that's not very portable. The locks are not very good quality. They
are probably intended to slow down smash and grab burglars rather than
protect the bicycle from theft.
I once saw some bicycle racks for parking your bike where a steel bar
with two round steel bars tilted up through the front wheel and rear
triangle and then you locked a tab with a padlock which was inside a
steel tube so you could not get to the padlock with an angle grinder or
bolt cutters. I think these racks must have been a custom job since I've >never seen them again. Kind of like this ><https://www.seattlebikeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/IMG_1439.jpg>
but without the bike locker activation system. I would think that a bike
shop could have something like that welded up, even two level, to secure
the expensive bikes. It would be really time-consuming to steal a
bicycle secured with this kind of rack.
the absolute best method of securing a bicycle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC_SxQ55r7o
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 20:30:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 9/10/2023 3:57 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Personally, I prefer to pick or bypass the lock. It also doesn't take
very long because most US locks are junk.
<https://www.youtube.com/@lockpickinglawyer/search?query=bicycle%20lock>
You must be much faster at picking locks than I am! I've done it, but
for me it's a very slow process, with less than 100% success.
I'm a permanent beginner when it comes to lock picking. Single pin
picking requires knowledge of the lock internals and of course some
practice. If I'm not prepared, it can take me a long time. Try
watching watching how the experts do it. He makes picking look easy: <https://www.youtube.com/@lockpickinglawyer/videos>
If I wanted to quickly open a lock, I would first try using bypass
tools, combs, raking, specialized tools, snap guns, bump keys, jiggler
keys, etc before resorting to single pin picking.
On 9/10/2023 9:11 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 20:30:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 9/10/2023 3:57 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Personally, I prefer to pick or bypass the lock. It also doesn't take >>>> very long because most US locks are junk.You must be much faster at picking locks than I am! I've done it, but
<https://www.youtube.com/@lockpickinglawyer/search?query=bicycle%20lock> >>>
for me it's a very slow process, with less than 100% success.
I'm a permanent beginner when it comes to lock picking. Single pin
picking requires knowledge of the lock internals and of course some
practice. If I'm not prepared, it can take me a long time. Try
watching watching how the experts do it. He makes picking look easy:
<https://www.youtube.com/@lockpickinglawyer/videos>
If I wanted to quickly open a lock, I would first try using bypass
tools, combs, raking, specialized tools, snap guns, bump keys, jiggler
keys, etc before resorting to single pin picking.
Oh, I've watched lots of his videos. In general, I'm suspicious of
videos that make anything look easy.
I once saw a home remodeling video
(maybe This Old House?) that showed a guy using a table saw. The
conversation was continuous as he made one cut, then another; but in the >second video, he had a Band-aid on his finger that was missing when he
made the first cut.
One young lad I know is fascinated with the idea of lock picking. I've
lent him some relevant equipment, and he's practiced. One major lesson
was that the instantaneous picking with a hairpin as done by TV "special >agents" is mythical.
Someday I'll introduce him to a locksmith I know. I think he'll be >fascinated.
On 9/10/2023 10:56 PM, John B. wrote:
the absolute best method of securing a bicycle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC_SxQ55r7o
Meh. Get your angle grinder and cut down the light pole. Gone in two
minutes!
(That's a joke, John.)
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/video-captures-thieves-escaping-with-40000-worth-of-high-end-bikes-from-irwindale-shop/
Bianchi dealer too.
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