Can you imagine the stupidity of anyone crazy enough to spend thousands of >dollars on a bike just to be able to ride single track trails when you can >walk them for free. If you can, then join the club of ultimate Assholes - >Mountain Bikers! Not only do they spend this kind of money, but they also >manage to injure and kill themselves doing it. It is the ultimate
Jackassery!
Further, can you imagine spending $9000 and then having no
good place to ride it? (psychologists call that
"Cognitive Dissonance"). That's why mountain
bikers are always beating the bushes to find or make new trails which is a >criminal activity.
I say not only death to mountain biking, but death to mountain bikers >themselves. I rejoice when I hear of their mishaps - which prove to be on >unending stream of reports in the media.
Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.
Trails are for walking. Whats the matter? Cant walk?
Ed Dolan the Great Minnesota
And what the fuck is a hiking pole?
Can you imagine the stupidity of anyone crazy enough to spend thousands of >dollars on a bike just to be able to ride single track trails when you can >walk them for free. If you can, then join the club of ultimate Assholes - >Mountain Bikers! Not only do they spend this kind of money, but they also >manage to injure and kill themselves doing it. It is the ultimate
Jackassery!
Further, can you imagine spending $9000 and then having no
good place to ride it? (psychologists call that
"Cognitive Dissonance"). That's why mountain
bikers are always beating the bushes to find or make new trails which is a >criminal activity.
I say not only death to mountain biking, but death to mountain bikers >themselves. I rejoice when I hear of their mishaps - which prove to be on >unending stream of reports in the media.
Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.[...]
Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?
Ed Dolan the Great – Minnesota
mountain bikes, but I'm afraid that you missed some important costs.I did delete your pretentious posting of the cost of those demon
are also paying large sums of money to equip themselves for theirYou see, I did a little research and have discovered that the "hikers"
"The Leki Carbon Ti is a sweet lightweight pole that features the most comfortable foam grip in our review."From what I read, the basic equipment for the serious hiker is some $1241.00. Just to take a walk in the woods.
This itemized list shows the following:
Hiking boots Saloman - $240
Pole Leki carbon fiber - $200
investigate these intimate items of apparel but I did notice that theyHat - Tilley LTM6 Airflo Hat - $84.00
Jacket - THERMOBALL\u2122 JACKET - $220
Shirt - MEN\u2019S EXPLORE FLEECE CREW Shirt - $40.00
Pack - Osprey Atmos 65 AG Pack - $259.95
Pants - Arc'teryx Gamma LT - $179
Socks - Lorpen PrimaLoft Midweight Hiker Crew Sock - $22
Underwear - Both men's and women's
Note: being a polite gentleman I did not feel it necessary to
outfit himself for a walk in the woods The initial request for fundingIt is interesting that while the modern hiker requires some $1,241 to
grip, was particularly revealing. One can only assume that the modernI thought the description of the $200 hiking with the comfortable foam
Call 911 and get me a helicopter ambulance to the hospital".Can you imagine if one gets a blister on his/her finger? "Oh, Quick!
Well being "trekkers" one would assume that they would walk, butAnother item of interest is "how do these hikers get to the forest?
with tender hands who drives to the forest, dons over a thousandIt is apparent that the modern "Trekker" is a soft effete individual
How Pitiful you are.
On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 03:31:01 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:
And what the fuck is a hiking pole?
Our highest mountain is named after one of them.
On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 03:31:01 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:goggled on "hiking pole" I got 3,330,000 hits.
And what the fuck is a hiking pole?
Our highest mountain is named after one of them.
Gee, Old Eddy the "hiker" doesn't know what a hiking pole is? And apparently he doesn't know how google search works either as when I
doesn't he know what a hiking pole is? After all nearly throe and aIt sort of makes one wonder... is he really a hiker? If he is why
get his name in the newspaper. After all hardly anyone knew his mentorPerhaps he isn't a hiker. Perhaps he is just a old foggy who wants to
that he is terrified going to jail as his hero did, so likely he isMaybe that is Eddie's plan. But being a bit cowardly it is obvious
"John B." wrote in message news:rrbvmbhonnm2gp6red9e25qst40eci9cdu@4ax.com...
On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 08:58:40 -0000 (UTC), news16 <news16@woa.com.au>
wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 03:31:01 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:apparently he doesn't know how google search works either as when I
And what the fuck is a hiking pole?
Our highest mountain is named after one of them.
Gee, Old Eddy the "hiker" doesn't know what a hiking pole is? And
goggled on "hiking pole" I got 3,330,000 hits.
All you know is how to Google. You also have no idea of what "hits" are about. The problem remains the same - you are an idiot!
"John B." wrote in message news:rrbvmbhonnm2gp6red9e25qst40eci9cdu@4ax.com...
On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 08:58:40 -0000 (UTC), news16 <news16@woa.com.au>
wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 03:31:01 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:apparently he doesn't know how google search works either as when I
And what the fuck is a hiking pole?
Our highest mountain is named after one of them.
Gee, Old Eddy the "hiker" doesn't know what a hiking pole is? And
goggled on "hiking pole" I got 3,330,000 hits.
All you know is how to Google. You also have no idea of what "hits" are about. The problem remains the same - you are an idiot!
Nope, Ed, you're the idiot. You got served with your own medicine and walked right into the joke.
with tender hands who drives to the forest, dons over a thousandIt is apparent that the modern "Trekker" is a soft effete individual
dollars of clothing and "treks" through the forest for, perhaps, 4
hours and then drives home imagining that he is a real men. And being >exhausted, goes to bed early.
I think you have just described yourself above. I hiked for a solid 10
years
all over the country when I was in the decade of my 30s, and I did it on a >shoe string. I never imagined I was a real man, but I did imagine that I
was
gaining an experience of a human being connecting with the natural world
and
with Mother Earth. In all that time, I NEVER encountered a single mountain >bike on any trail. I took all of that for granted, never realizing just how >rare an experience I had. Too bad idiots like you will never know what you >have missed.
have had very indulgent parents to support you for all those years.Oh, you hiked for a decade? 10 years? Of hiking? No working? You must
with the natural world" means? You lived under a tree and raised yourAnd you "gaining an experience of a human being connecting with the natural world and with Mother Earth".
What utter nonsense. Can you explain just what this "being connected
there actually is untouched wilderness. If this communing is such anEd, even today there are a very large areas all over the world where
into the in primitive areas. Why they don't have air conditioning.But you don't care for that do you. You don't actually want to go out
cabins to sleep in, flush toilets and running water. Then you canWhat you actually want some sort of pseudo primitive with little
a pet rock.You appear to be either a complete phony or the sort of person who has
On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 05:14:31 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:
"John B." wrote in message
news:rrbvmbhonnm2gp6red9e25qst40eci9cdu@4ax.com...
On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 08:58:40 -0000 (UTC), news16 <news16@woa.com.au>
wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 03:31:01 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:apparently he doesn't know how google search works either as when I
And what the fuck is a hiking pole?
Our highest mountain is named after one of them.
Gee, Old Eddy the "hiker" doesn't know what a hiking pole is? And
goggled on "hiking pole" I got 3,330,000 hits.
All you know is how to Google. You also have no idea of what "hits" are
about. The problem remains the same - you are an idiot!
Nope, Ed, you're the idiot. You got served with your own medicine and
walked right into the joke.
"John B." wrote in message >news:j7gvmb5ilkrs986j6cvrg63o64vja26les@4ax.com...
When the hell are you ever going to learn how to edit a post?
[...]
dollars of clothing and "treks" through the forest for, perhaps, 4It is apparent that the modern "Trekker" is a soft effete individual >>with tender hands who drives to the forest, dons over a thousand
hours and then drives home imagining that he is a real men. And being >>exhausted, goes to bed early.
Edward Dolan wrote:
I think you have just described yourself above. I hiked for a solid 10 >>years
all over the country when I was in the decade of my 30s, and I did it on a >>shoe string. I never imagined I was a real man, but I did imagine that I >>was
gaining an experience of a human being connecting with the natural world >>and
with Mother Earth. In all that time, I NEVER encountered a single mountain >>bike on any trail. I took all of that for granted, never realizing just how >>rare an experience I had. Too bad idiots like you will never know what you >>have missed.
Oh, you hiked for a decade? 10 years? Of hiking? No working? You must >have had very indulgent parents to support you for all those years.
I was smart, something that I am sure no one has ever accused you of being.
And you "gaining an experience of a human being connecting with the >natural world and with Mother Earth".
own food? Or maybe you cut down the primeval trees and built your ownWhat utter nonsense. Can you explain just what this "being connected >with the natural world" means? You lived under a tree and raised your
cabin?
What are you - a survivalist? Jesus Christ Almighty - you are even dumber >than I thought possible. At least now I know who they make those dumb TV >programs for - like "naked and afraid".
A walk in a natural landscape is almost a religious experience, provided you >believe in that sort of thing. But to me, it is an experience of being >connected to the universe, one devoid of God. Even so, it is highly >spiritual. I pity poor slobs like you who do not have a clue about any of >this. But I want you and your god damn fucking bikes to stay off of single >track trails. You are desecrating my cathedrals. Fuck you and all you stand >for!
The following total idiocy deleted for the usual reasons.
[...]
Borneo, maybe New Guinea, Mongolia, Tibet, to name a few. if you wereEd, even today there are a very large areas all over the world where >there actually is untouched wilderness. If this communing is such an >important thing why aren't you somewhere in Northern Canada, Alaska,
really "connecting with the natural world" wouldn't an actual
uninhabited wilderness provide a much more satisfying experience.
No one needs "untouched wilderness". A relatively untouched wilderness is >all that any sane person ever needs to get a sense of our roots as a species >and of our place in the grand scheme of things. Or do you think we and the >universe sprang from the Head of God? There is nothing so refreshing as a >simple walk in the woods, or in the desert, or in any relatively untouched >landscape. Too bad you are too stupid to know any of this. Maybe try >rereading Thoreau to get a clue.
But you don't care for that do you. You don't actually want to go out >into the in primitive areas. Why they don't have air conditioning.
cabins to sleep in, flush toilets and running water. Then you canWhat you actually want some sort of pseudo primitive with little
enjoy communing with nature... oh, don't forget the mosquito spray.
a pet rock.You appear to be either a complete phony or the sort of person who has
You have just described yourself in the above 3 paragraphs. The world of >hikers is closed to you just as it is to all those who mountain bike on >single track trails.
Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.
Trails are for walking. Whats the matter? Cant walk?
Ed Dolan the Great Minnesota
Ed Dolan the Great MinnesotaYou know Eddy, I am becoming a bit suspicious of your claims of glory.
You tell us that back in the 1970's you essentially hiked for a decade, communing with nature. This is a little puzzling as who supported you
while you were cavorting in the wilderness? Your mommy and daddy? They
paid your keep while you were stumbling around in the bushes?
On Tue, 28 Jun 2016 08:37:28 +0700, John B. wrote:
Ed Dolan the Great ? MinnesotaYou know Eddy, I am becoming a bit suspicious of your claims of glory.
You tell us that back in the 1970's you essentially hiked for a decade,
communing with nature. This is a little puzzling as who supported you
while you were cavorting in the wilderness? Your mommy and daddy? They
paid your keep while you were stumbling around in the bushes?
Wow, Ed was a remittance man. got a weekly income from Mummy and Daddy to >flick off somewhere and not embarass the family. Very common in the Pommy >toffs
[...]All you know is how to Google. You also have no idea of what "hits" are
about. The problem remains the same - you are an idiot!
ball. So, after much whining the guys say, O.K., you can play and theyIt isn't a joke really. It is sort of like a guy that wants to play
does not hold in order to conceal his or her real motives"Nope, it is Edward the Phony from here on out.
Phony - "a person who professes beliefs and knowledge that he or she
What's the old saying, "If it fits, wear it"?
You know Eddy, I am becoming a bit suspicious of your claims of glory.decade, communing with nature. This is a little puzzling as who
You tell us that back in the 1970's you essentially hiked for a
Next you reveal that you don't know what a "hiking pole" is. An itemthat millions of other hikers know, apparently intimately as a major
Hiking poles are for slobs like you. I never had any use for them, being quite steady on my feet.in the forest game and at the same time you have no knowledge of this, apparently essential item that others are willing to pay two hundred
So, you claim, that you spent 10 years engaged is the wandering around
--cheers,
John B.
flick off somewhere and not embarass the family. Very common in the PommyEd Dolan the Great – MinnesotaYou know Eddy, I am becoming a bit suspicious of your claims of glory.
You tell us that back in the 1970's you essentially hiked for a decade, communing with nature. This is a little puzzling as who supported you
while you were cavorting in the wilderness? Your mommy and daddy? They
paid your keep while you were stumbling around in the bushes?
Wow, Ed was a remittance man. got a weekly income from Mummy and Daddy
to
Wow, Ed was a remittance man. got a weekly income from Mummy and Daddy to >flick off somewhere and not embarass the family. Very common in the Pommy >toffssurmised him to be. English bloke from up north someplace. I knew him
I actually knew a "remittance man" or at least that is what we
month he'd be flush with cash and would say things like, "Fix it? JustIt was obvious that he had some sort of remittance as the first of the
figure out why the family was happy to have him away from home :-)He wasn't a bad guy but a five minute conversation and you could
the blokes who had known him made sure to meet her and tell her howWhen he died his daughter came over to settle things and of course all
I think the term is "No love lost".
Whereas John B.(Bullshitter) will be mourned by one and all when he
passes
"John B." wrote in message news:hri3nbdh7fq5h0a713hahoeqpeos26met3@4ax.com...But you slavishly reply to him. go figure.
[...]
You know Eddy, I am becoming a bit suspicious of your claims of glory.
You tell us that back in the 1970's you essentially hiked for adecade, communing with nature. This is a little puzzling as who
supported you while you were cavorting in the wilderness? Your mommy and daddy? They paid your keep while you were stumbling around in the
bushes?
What fucking business is that of yours? Note well that I am not the
least bit interested in ANYTHING about you
"news16" wrote in message news:nkt5qn$mon$86@dont-email.me...
On Tue, 28 Jun 2016 08:37:28 +0700, John B. wrote:
Ed Dolan the Great MinnesotaYou know Eddy, I am becoming a bit suspicious of your claims of glory.
You tell us that back in the 1970's you essentially hiked for a decade,
communing with nature. This is a little puzzling as who supported you
while you were cavorting in the wilderness? Your mommy and daddy? They
paid your keep while you were stumbling around in the bushes?
flick off somewhere and not embarass the family. Very common in the Pommy >toffsWow, Ed was a remittance man. got a weekly income from Mummy and Daddy >>>> to
Others always profess interest in me whereas I never profess any interest in >others. That is because I am not interested in others - and that is also why >I am Great and you aren't. Hells Bells, even John B.(Bullshitter) is not >interested in you like he is in Me. I suppose I should be flattered, but >what idiots like the two of you say or think does not register on a mind so >Great as mine. Greatness requires Greatness and that is something I will >never find on Usenet. Alas, only Lilliputians reside here.
Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.
Trails are for walking. Whats the matter? Cant walk?
Ed Dolan the Great Minnesota
Whereas John B.(Bullshitter) will be mourned by one and all when he
passes
So he will be remembered whereas who was that koook!.
Others always profess interest in me whereas I never profess any interestmaybe it was "Faggot" mentioned in connection with your name. I looked
in
others. That is because I am not interested in others - and that is also
why
I am Great and you aren't. Hells Bells, even John B.(Bullshitter) is not >interested in you like he is in Me. I suppose I should be flattered, but >what idiots like the two of you say or think does not register on a mind so >Great as mine. Greatness requires Greatness and that is something I will >never find on Usenet. Alas, only Lilliputians reside here.
Incidentally Doolie, I heard, on another site, the term "Fagot"or
"John B." wrote in message news:hri3nbdh7fq5h0a713hahoeqpeos26met3@4ax.com...
[...]
You know Eddy, I am becoming a bit suspicious of your claims of glory.
You tell us that back in the 1970's you essentially hiked for adecade, communing with nature. This is a little puzzling as who
supported you while you were cavorting in the wilderness? Your mommy and daddy? They paid your keep while you were stumbling around in the
bushes?
What fucking business is that of yours? Note well that I am not the
least bit interested in ANYTHING about you
But you slavishly reply to him. go figure.
"news16" wrote in message news:nl2tr4$a4j$1@dont-email.me...
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 00:08:26 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:
Whereas John B.(Bullshitter) will be mourned by one and all when he
passes
So he will be remembered whereas who was that koook!.
Who cares who remembers who! Everyone is eventually forgotten in short
order.
"news16" wrote in message news:nl2tr4$a4j$1@dont-email.me...
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 00:08:26 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:
Whereas John B.(Bullshitter) will be mourned by one and all when he
passes
So he will be remembered whereas who was that koook!.
Who cares who remembers who! Everyone is eventually forgotten in short
order.
Not every one.
"John B." wrote in message >news:cs8anbhvmbll3imntk3c3bi6m56gs7hnr5@4ax.com...
On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 23:56:50 -0500, "EdwardDolan" <edolan@iw.net>
wrote:
[...]
Others always profess interest in me whereas I never profess any interest >>in
others. That is because I am not interested in others - and that is also >>why
I am Great and you aren't. Hells Bells, even John B.(Bullshitter) is not >>interested in you like he is in Me. I suppose I should be flattered, but >>what idiots like the two of you say or think does not register on a mind so >>Great as mine. Greatness requires Greatness and that is something I will >>never find on Usenet. Alas, only Lilliputians reside here.
maybe it was "Faggot" mentioned in connection with your name. I lookedIncidentally Doolie, I heard, on another site, the term "Fagot"or
in the dictionary and I see "Faggot - a bundle of sticks and branches
bound together". Were they referring to your mentality? "Dumb as a
Faggot"? I grew up in northern New England and it was "dumb as a
stump", in the local vernacular.
The only dumb faggot here is yoursefl.
Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.
Trails are for walking. Whats the matter? Cant walk?
Ed Dolan the Great Minnesota
"news16" wrote in message news:nlcbl7$7t5$4@dont-email.me...Easy;Lambada, Hattusili, Mursili, Murshilish, Mitanni, and Telepini makes
On Sun, 03 Jul 2016 09:49:09 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:
"news16" wrote in message news:nl2tr4$a4j$1@dont-email.me...
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 00:08:26 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:
Whereas John B.(Bullshitter) will be mourned by one and all when he
passes
So he will be remembered whereas who was that koook!.
Who cares who remembers who! Everyone is eventually forgotten in short
order.
Not every one.
Name at least a half a dozen figures from the Hittite civilization
Name at least a half a dozen figures from the Hittite civilization ...
Easy;Lambada, Hattusili, Mursili, Murshilish, Mitanni, and Telepini makes six. In return, you can write their name in the script of the time.
"John B." wrote in message >news:cs8anbhvmbll3imntk3c3bi6m56gs7hnr5@4ax.com...
On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 23:56:50 -0500, "EdwardDolan" <edolan@iw.net>
wrote:
[...]
Others always profess interest in me whereas I never profess any interest >>in
others. That is because I am not interested in others - and that is also >>why
I am Great and you aren't. Hells Bells, even John B.(Bullshitter) is not >>interested in you like he is in Me. I suppose I should be flattered, but >>what idiots like the two of you say or think does not register on a mind
so
Great as mine. Greatness requires Greatness and that is something I will >>never find on Usenet. Alas, only Lilliputians reside here.
maybe it was "Faggot" mentioned in connection with your name. I lookedIncidentally Doolie, I heard, on another site, the term "Fagot"or
in the dictionary and I see "Faggot - a bundle of sticks and branches
bound together". Were they referring to your mentality? "Dumb as a
Faggot"? I grew up in northern New England and it was "dumb as a
stump", in the local vernacular.
The only dumb faggot here is yoursefl.
Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.
Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?
Ed Dolan the Great – Minnesota
As I know that I am not a bundle of wood, so he must he equatingAh, an explanation.
so to speak, are there any scintillating descriptions of hisO.K., now that we've got that cleared up and he is "out of the closet"
been that has a few lines in it, "He's pretty as a rose; He wears hisSomeone wrote a song, "Pretty as a Rose, I believe the title may have
referred to as a "faggot"..... Well there is an old saying that "noOne can only speculate who (or maybe "what") that description fits.
But in thinking about it one can only wonder. After all, a bloke who's parents pay him to stay away for ten years.... who is publicly
as.Ah well, in the U.S. apparently it is no longer hidden. I see that the U.S. Military now accepts "deviants", I think they referred to them
cheers,--
John B.
Take your "cheers" and shoved it up your ass, you dumb fucking moron.
"news16" wrote in message news:nliumi$pv0$2@dont-email.me...Your claim, I studied Ancient History.
On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 06:16:51 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:
[...]
Name at least a half a dozen figures from the Hittite civilization ...
six. In return, you can write their name in the script of the time.Easy;Lambada, Hattusili, Mursili, Murshilish, Mitanni, and Telepini
makes
That was NOT off the top of your head.
"news16" wrote in message news:nliumi$pv0$2@dont-email.me...
On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 06:16:51 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:
[...]
Name at least a half a dozen figures from the Hittite civilization ...
six. In return, you can write their name in the script of the time.Easy;Lambada, Hattusili, Mursili, Murshilish, Mitanni, and Telepini
makes
That was NOT off the top of your head.
Your claim, I studied Ancient History.
Take your "cheers" and shoved it up your ass, you dumb fucking moron.
bit forgetful? Old age is it?I guess that along with your weird sexual habits you are probably a
you? With your poor memory I feel that I really should remind you thatNow Dooly, you aren't one of those who are attracted to young boys are
that you believe a "female" spouse is a bit unusual) but there it is,But I must go now. I have to take my (female) spouse shopping (I know
the (what should one say?) the queer hikers, the strange hikers, theBut do try, with your timely posts, to keep us acquainted with what
cheers,--
John B.
"news16" wrote in message news:nlktf0$pv0$9@dont-email.me...
On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 09:16:18 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:
"news16" wrote in message news:nliumi$pv0$2@dont-email.me...
On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 06:16:51 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:
[...]
Name at least a half a dozen figures from the Hittite civilization ...six. In return, you can write their name in the script of the time.
Easy;Lambada, Hattusili, Mursili, Murshilish, Mitanni, and Telepini
makes
That was NOT off the top of your head.
Your claim, I studied Ancient History.
Well, I did too, but I could not name hardly any figures from those
times other than the most famous ones. I KNOW you had to look it up. No
one in their right mind remembers anything about the Hittites, except
how mysterious and weird they were.
Well, I did too, but I could not name hardly any figures from thoseyour lungs.
times other than the most famous ones. I KNOW you had to look it up. No
one in their right mind remembers anything about the Hittites, except
how mysterious and weird they were.
Lol, projecting again. You need to go bike riding and get more air into
PS: Total time to compose this reply - 1 minute.then, you are rather ignoble.
Well, greetings Dooley. Sorry to ignore you for the past days but
to my missive and one bouquet from News and the rest appear to beBut, I see you have been busy in my absence I see your fevered reply
actually applaud the "small boys" antics but there you are. DifferentI mean, we all know about your sexual preferences, not that we
know. I mean wandering down the street mumbling to your self andBut this talking to your self? Well, it just isn't the thing to do you
City Hall. Put the box on the corner and mount up and tell the worldWhat you really should is to get a box and go down there in front of
that someone will listen to you and you WILL get your message outSee, down there i front of the government people there is no doubt
speak out in a big voice. Be assertive, show them folks how eruditeBut you got to remember Dooley, you can't mumble. No, you have to
still it might be wise to practice a bit before the big day.But while it is said that "great public speakers are born not made"
a towel to wipe the fevered brow. And do it again. Keep practicingO.K., now step down off the box, a few deep breaths to recover, maybe
be shy now since as they "say early to rise" and all that. Say 06:00.Then Monday morning, down to the main square and up on your box. Don't
"come out", as it were, after you are famous)(yes I know, "manly" isn't really your thing but do it anyway. You can
if you had an axe and a cow you could call yourself Paul, instead ofYes Sir, Dooley , you can be a legend in your own time. My goodness,
cheers,--
John B.
"John B." wrote in message >news:nbhrnbt6nlfalkv8drrk9cd61ho92tca39@4ax.com...
On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 06:31:49 -0500, "EdwardDolan" <edolan@iw.net>
wrote:
Take your "cheers" and shoved it up your ass, you dumb fucking moron.[...]
bit forgetful? Old age is it?I guess that along with your weird sexual habits you are probably a
"The only dumb faggot here is yourself." - Ed Dolan
[...]
the American public, in general, takes a very dim view of that kind ofNow Dooly, you aren't one of those who are attracted to young boys are >you? With your poor memory I feel that I really should remind you that
thing and, heaven forbid, they will even put you in the jail house for
years and years for acting out your visions of ecstasy. NO Dooly,
don't do that, it is very, very naughty to even think it.
"The only dumb faggot here is yourself." - Ed Dolan
that you believe a "female" spouse is a bit unusual) but there it is,But I must go now. I have to take my (female) spouse shopping (I know
us "normals" are a bit odd.
Any female that is connected with you has got to be the equivalent of a >female faggot.
the (what should one say?) the queer hikers, the strange hikers, theBut do try, with your timely posts, to keep us acquainted with what
faggot hikers? (I'm just not acquainted with current terminology) are
doing these days.
"The only dumb faggot here is yourself." - Ed Dolan
cheers,--
John B.
Take your "cheers" and shoved it up your ass, you dumb fucking moron.
Most repair manuals are far more interesting than you, and far less turgid
to read. I'd get more pleasure from running my nostrils down a cactus, than >reading another contribution from you. Maybe you wouldn't come across as
such a jellyfish-sucking mental midget if you didn't have an intellect >rivaled only by the Village Idiot's stupider brother;
Here's a tip: no one will ever know that you've had a lobotomy if you wear a >wig to hide the scars; stop posting your drivel on message boards, and learn >to control the slobbering. Clearly, the full area of your ignorance is not >yet mapped. We are presently only exploring the fringes of that vast
expanse.
Are you normally this dumb or are you just having a blonde moment? Wouldn't >clues have more room to fit in your head if you got rid of some of the >gobbledygook in there?
In closing, I offer these heartfelt words: Go suck on a frozen pineapple, >asshole.
Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.
Trails are for walking. Whats the matter? Cant walk?
Ed Dolan the Great Minnesota
PS: Total time to compose this reply - 1 minute.
"John B." wrote in message >news:fql1obdai1vg3q8lv04thohmge1f2m9voo@4ax.com...
if you had an axe and a cow you could call yourself Paul, instead of >"faggot".Yes Sir, Dooley , you can be a legend in your own time. My goodness,
"The only dumb faggot here is yourself." - Ed Dolan
cheers,--
John B.
Take your "cheers" and shoved it up your ass, you dumb fucking moron.
Most repair manuals are far more interesting than you, and far less turgid
to read. I'd get more pleasure from running my nostrils down a cactus, than >reading another contribution from you. Maybe you wouldn't come across as
such a jellyfish-sucking mental midget if you didn't have an intellect >rivaled only by the Village Idiot's stupider brother;
Here's a tip: no one will ever know that you've had a lobotomy if you wear a >wig to hide the scars; stop posting your drivel on message boards, and learn >to control the slobbering. Clearly, the full area of your ignorance is not >yet mapped. We are presently only exploring the fringes of that vast
expanse.
Are you normally this dumb or are you just having a blonde moment? Wouldn't >clues have more room to fit in your head if you got rid of some of the >gobbledygook in there?
In closing, I offer these heartfelt words: Go suck on a frozen pineapple, >asshole.
Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.
Trails are for walking. Whats the matter? Cant walk?
Ed Dolan the Great Minnesota
PS: Time measured for this post - 1 minute.
other day. It seems that some U.S. agency counted the numbers ofOh, by the way, Dooley I came across some interesting numbers the
So in the Hiker-Biker wars the bikers win by a 2 - 1 margin.
I also came across a post that you [Ed Dolan the Great], your very ownposted some time ago wherein you said:
self, apparently
"Some of you have me down for a troll, but you have got that mostawfully wrong. Until just recently, I did not even know myself what I
And how do I know? Well I have actually, unlike you, spent some timein places [West Papua?] where no man may have ever walked before.
"John B." wrote in message >news:vte4obd07jmv4e70ptjr1g6qahian9gu0p@4ax.com...
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The John B.(Bullshit) usual crap not even read other than to note the extent >of it.
Do you suppose for one minute that I or anyone else is dumb enough to read >anything you write? You are the poorest and the craziest bastard ever to >post to this newsgroup. I would feel sorry for you if you weren't such a >faggot, the one subject on which you showed some expertise.
Post content or get lost!
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[...]
The John B.(Bullshit) usual crap not even read other than to note the
extent
of it.
Do you suppose for one minute that I or anyone else is dumb enough to read >anything you write? You are the poorest and the craziest bastard ever to >post to this newsgroup. I would feel sorry for you if you weren't such a >faggot, the one subject on which you showed some expertise.
Post content or get lost!
Well, dooley I see that you have progressed a bit from your usual cut
post to this newsgroup".You say, "You are the poorest and the craziest bastard ever to
the "average American family" has $15,000 in credit card debts -I haveBut in U.S. terms I believe I must be a rich man as I have read that
So apparently you got that one wrong.
sort of urge to shout from the roof tops that a Bi cycle has wheels.As for "craziest" that seems debatable. After all I don't have any
out from the name of the thing that it had wheels, and perhaps theI've always thought that the average American could probably figure
American is really a stupid lout, deeply in debt, and if you are anyBut, apparently I was wrong, and if you are right, then the average
inform the public that a bicycle has wheels is not really a top lineIf you didn't have such a filthy mouth I could's even work up a little sympathy for you. After all a bloke who's life's desire seems to
paste jobs as though you had, just discovered gravity. Good Lord, youAnd "Content! Content! You shout. And then do one of your cut and
the other drivel that you sp;out. If you were ever dropped in to aAnd all this bumpht you post about hiking, primeval forests and all
in places where no man may have ever walked before.And how do I know? Well I have actually, unlike you, spent some time
walk on, and sweet little Adirondack cabins for you to sleep in and ofNo, your version of primeval is with nice smooth trails for you to
wheel game. I see :The Honey Badger Wheel", "the wheel for packAnd, I discovered just yesterday that you "hikers" are buying into the
the Pack Wheel in seconds. With this new attachment and the help fromAnd, oh yes, there is "The Pack Wheel" - The new Pull Yoke attaches to
backpack that you tow"And last but not least we have the "MONOWALKER Hiking trailer, the
So essentially the vision of "primeval" now includes wheels.
"Content, content? What a silly joke you are.
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And how do I know? Well I have actually, unlike you, spent some timein places [West Papua?] where no man may have ever walked before.
[...]
Allow me to disabuse you of that notion. There is no place on earth where
man has not trod, except areas of Antarctica. Every other place has been >thoroughly explored and perhaps settled at one time or another by mankind.
When the Europeans came to the New World, every square inch of the New World >was already inhabited by man, even the forbidding Amazon rain forest. The >natives had to be gotten rid of in order to have European settlement. This >was mostly accomplished by disease, but it was still amazing that Cortez >could overcome the Aztecs with such a minimal number of soldiers.
Your fabled isle of New Guinea was similarly totally inhabited by man. The >island was full of various tribes and languages from time immemorial and I >assure you there was no part of that island that was not trod by man. By far >the most difficult area of the earth to settle was the high Arctic, yet the >Eskimos did it. And the Bedouins conquered the Sahara. New Guinea was a >paradise compared to those areas.
And how do I know? Well I have actually, unlike you, spent some timein places [West Papua?] where no man may have ever walked before.
[...]
Allow me to disabuse you of that notion. There is no place on earth whereparts of Australia, as well as the Sahara desert and Arabia's "Empty
man has not trod, except areas of Antarctica. Every other place has been >thoroughly explored and perhaps settled at one time or another by mankind.
Is that true? Or just another of your current fantasias.
You see Dooley, whole sections of places like New Guinea and even
that can be hunted and while there are birds they are way up there inIn jungles, for example, there is very little to eat, very few animals
where food could be obtained.In fact the strategy that the British used successfully against the Communists guerrilla in Malaysia was to deny them access to towns
why they are "deserts"). And while it is perfectly logical, sittingOf course in desert regions there isn't any water (I suppose that's
any of these remote regions you would find that the bulk of the poorIf, instead of sitting home watching the T.V. you actually traveled to
When the Europeans came to the New World, every square inch of the Newthe 1492 voyage of Christopher Columbus has proven difficult to
World
was already inhabited by man, even the forbidding Amazon rain forest. The >natives had to be gotten rid of in order to have European settlement. This >was mostly accomplished by disease, but it was still amazing that Cortez >could overcome the Aztecs with such a minimal number of soldiers.
Your imagination is running away with you.
"The population figure for indigenous peoples in the Americas before
kilometers....28% of the world's land mass? That is an average50 million people on a land mass of 34.93 million square
Your thesis is not very reliable.
Your fabled isle of New Guinea was similarly totally inhabited by man. The >island was full of various tribes and languages from time immemorial and I >assure you there was no part of that island that was not trod by man. ByNew Guinea. No where that I worked, in roughly 5 years in the country,
far
the most difficult area of the earth to settle was the high Arctic, yet the >Eskimos did it. And the Bedouins conquered the Sahara. New Guinea was a >paradise compared to those areas.
Again you speak without knowledge. In fact there aren't many people in
In short Doolie you are talking rubbish. Not facts. Not even educated conjecture. Or one might say, no knowledge and a vivid imagination.
"John B." wrote in message >news:i6vgob1fma78meo1ipf7prtk0vguamgoad@4ax.com...
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Such places as you describe have not been settled for the reasons you point >out, but that does not mean they have not been thoroughly explored. I
assure you that no area of the earth(except Antarctica) has not been >thoroughly explored by the natives living near by no matter how hostile to >human settlement. When homo sapiens left his birthplace (Africa), it was not >long before the entire earth was explored, if not settled. Certain areas had >to wait for perhaps a land bridge, but by the time the Europeans discovered >the New World, if was if not 100% settled
most assuredly 100% explored. You seem not to understand the nature of man.
top of the trees and very, very hard to get to.In jungles, for example, there is very little to eat, very few animals >that can be hunted and while there are birds they are way up there in
where food could be obtained.In fact the strategy that the British used successfully against the >Communists guerrilla in Malaysia was to deny them access to towns
why they are "deserts"). And while it is perfectly logical, sittingOf course in desert regions there isn't any water (I suppose that's
home in front of the T.V. to imagine one's self trudging through the
deserts in search of the Queen of Shiba's gold, it doesn't work well
in practice.
an abundance of water and at least fish to eat. And even the DanuIf, instead of sitting home watching the T.V. you actually traveled to >any of these remote regions you would find that the bulk of the poor >primitive people are located along rivers and streams where there is
people, a stone age culture, in West Guinea who live as high as 3,000
- 4,000 ft. above sea level and depend on agriculture for survival
live along streams and rivers.
The kind of agriculture practiced in New Guinea was not capable of
supporting a large population, but even so, the land was being fully
occupied given the kind of economy that was available to them. Any >elementary course in anthropology will explain why primitive peoples live >where they live, but you were claiming that there are areas of the earth
that were untrod by man. That is what I am disputing, not that some areas >were difficult, if not impossible to settle. Only Antarctica was relatively >untrod by man.
When the Europeans came to the New World, every square inch of the New >>World
was already inhabited by man, even the forbidding Amazon rain forest. The >>natives had to be gotten rid of in order to have European settlement. This >>was mostly accomplished by disease, but it was still amazing that Cortez >>could overcome the Aztecs with such a minimal number of soldiers.
Your imagination is running away with you.
the 1492 voyage of Christopher Columbus has proven difficult to"The population figure for indigenous peoples in the Americas before
establish. Scholars rely on archaeological data and written records
from settlers from the Old World. Most scholars writing at the end of
the 19th century estimated the pre-Columbian population as low as 10
million; by the end of the 20th century most scholars gravitated to a
middle estimate of around 50 million"
population of 1.4 per square kilometer.50 million people on a land mass of 34.93 million square >kilometers....28% of the world's land mass? That is an average
Your thesis is not very reliable.
The New World was settled to the max according to how those native peoples >were making a living off the land. You only get huge populations when you >have an economy that is based on intensive agriculture. If the economy is >based on hunting and gathering or very primitive agriculture, you will not >normally be able to support a large population. The New World was fully >populated prior to Columbus. It is very curious to me that you think vast >areas of the world were never thoroughly explored by mankind. Only
Antarctica fits that description.
was there a town or village. The Danu, one of the largest tribes seemAgain you speak without knowledge. In fact there aren't many people in >New Guinea. No where that I worked, in roughly 5 years in the country,
to have about 90,000 members, and the entire populating of W. New
Guinea is estimated at 3.6 million and the population density seems to
be 10 per sq. Km. Anthropologists describe the people as primarily
living in villages along the rivers.
New Guinea, like every other area of the world, was fully populated in >accordance with the economy that prevailed there. An island the size of New >Guiana with millions of people will have examined every square inch of that >island. The brute fact of geography itself will determine how many people >the land will support. Tropical areas only look rich and fertile, but they >are not. New Guinea was supporting as many people as it could support. >Besides reading some anthropology you should perhaps read Malthus, although
I think primitive people were better at controlling their population than we >are.
In short Doolie you are talking rubbish. Not facts. Not even educated >conjecture. Or one might say, no knowledge and a vivid imagination.
Everything I have stated is based on facts which are well known to every >anthropologist. No imagination was required. The only absurd statement that >has been made here is by you - that there are areas of the earth which have >never been trod by man. Only Antarctica fills that bill.
[...]
Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.
Trails are for walking. Whats the matter? Cant walk?
Ed Dolan the Great Minnesota
"John B." wrote in message >news:i6vgob1fma78meo1ipf7prtk0vguamgoad@4ax.com...
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Such places as you describe have not been settled for the reasons you point >out, but that does not mean they have not been thoroughly explored. Ijungles and note that in jungle areas the population is centered
assure you that no area of the earth (except Antarctica) has not been >thoroughly explored by the natives living near by no matter how hostile to >human settlement. When homo sapiens left his birthplace (Africa), it was
not
long before the entire earth was explored, if not settled. Certain areas
had
to wait for perhaps a land bridge, but by the time the Europeans discovered >the New World, it was if not 100% settled
most assuredly 100% explored. You seem not to understand the nature of
man.
top of the trees and very, very hard to get to.In jungles, for example, there is very little to eat, very few animals >that can be hunted and while there are birds they are way up there in
where food could be obtained.In fact the strategy that the British used successfully against the >Communists guerrilla in Malaysia was to deny them access to towns
why they are "deserts"). And while it is perfectly logical, sittingOf course in desert regions there isn't any water (I suppose that's
home in front of the T.V. to imagine one's self trudging through the
deserts in search of the Queen of Shiba's gold, it doesn't work well
in practice.
an abundance of water and at least fish to eat. And even the DanuIf, instead of sitting home watching the T.V. you actually traveled to >any of these remote regions you would find that the bulk of the poor >primitive people are located along rivers and streams where there is
people, a stone age culture, in West Guinea who live as high as 3,000
- 4,000 ft. above sea level and depend on agriculture for survival
live along streams and rivers.
The kind of agriculture practiced in New Guinea was not capable of
supporting a large population, but even so, the land was being fully
occupied given the kind of economy that was available to them. Any >elementary course in anthropology will explain why primitive peoples live >where they live, but you were claiming that there are areas of the earth
that were untrod by man. That is what I am disputing, not that some areas >were difficult, if not impossible to settle. Only Antarctica was relatively >untrod by man.
My goodness Dooley, first I say that there is not much to eat in
does like original thinking.... even when it is wrong.And now you astound us by telling us that "the land was being fully occupied given the kind of economy that was available to them". One
For your edification:Unless you somehow think that subsistence agriculture is an economy.
will argue that it does as if you don't you will look even moreEconomy - "the system of production and distribution and consumption".
One can only speculate whether raising sweet potatoes and then eating them actually constitutes "distribution", although I suspect that you
When the Europeans came to the New World, every square inch of the New >>World
was already inhabited by man, even the forbidding Amazon rain forest. The >>natives had to be gotten rid of in order to have European settlement. This >>was mostly accomplished by disease, but it was still amazing that Cortez >>could overcome the Aztecs with such a minimal number of soldiers.
Your imagination is running away with you.
the 1492 voyage of Christopher Columbus has proven difficult to"The population figure for indigenous peoples in the Americas before
establish. Scholars rely on archaeological data and written records
from settlers from the Old World. Most scholars writing at the end of
the 19th century estimated the pre-Columbian population as low as 10
million; by the end of the 20th century most scholars gravitated to a
middle estimate of around 50 million"
population of 1.4 per square kilometer.50 million people on a land mass of 34.93 million square >kilometers....28% of the world's land mass? That is an average
Your thesis is not very reliable.
The New World was settled to the max according to how those native peoples >were making a living off the land. You only get huge populations when you >have an economy that is based on intensive agriculture. If the economy is >based on hunting and gathering or very primitive agriculture, you will not >normally be able to support a large population. The New World was fully >populated prior to Columbus. It is very curious to me that you think vast >areas of the world were never thoroughly explored by mankind. Only
Antarctica fits that description.
You argument is noted, and ignored as stupidity.
You argue that what were essentially small groups of hunter gatherers explored the entire surface of the U.S.
and we know that the "Indians" as they were termed actually lived in aThe conterminous U.S. covers an area of some 3,119,884 square miles
pre-Columbian population figures are impossible to obtain" and I readThe actual population sizes of the original "Indian" population is difficult to find. One study states that " even semi-accurate
"The vast majority of the Cherokees, however, remained in theirI did come across a study of the Cherokees, who were forcibly removed from their native homelands. The article states, in part, that in 1835
So essentially the "vast majority" of a large Indian tribe was about 20,000 individuals.
most definitive estimate I can find is "from 1,500 to 2,500 IndianThe Battle of the Little Big Horn is pretty well documented and the
I suspect that a family of husband, wife and two children might be aI can't find details of Western Indian family life in the 1800's but
Indian gatherings that the indigenous people were actually rather fewIt would appear, at least from an very quick analysis of two large
it is written on.In short, Dooly, you have no facts to back up your assertions and to paraphrase someone or another, A verbal claim is as good as the paper
population control than I guess you are right.was there a town or village. The Danu, one of the largest tribes seemAgain you speak without knowledge. In fact there aren't many people in >New Guinea. No where that I worked, in roughly 5 years in the country,
to have about 90,000 members, and the entire populating of W. New
Guinea is estimated at 3.6 million and the population density seems to
be 10 per sq. Km. Anthropologists describe the people as primarily
living in villages along the rivers.
New Guinea, like every other area of the world, was fully populated in >accordance with the economy that prevailed there. An island the size of
New
Guiana with millions of people will have examined every square inch of that >island. The brute fact of geography itself will determine how many people >the land will support. Tropical areas only look rich and fertile, but they >are not. New Guinea was supporting as many people as it could support. >Besides reading some anthropology you should perhaps read Malthus, although
I think primitive people were better at controlling their population than
we
are.
Well, if you believe that exposing female babies so they die and an overall infant morality of 12.5% (during the period I was there) as
facts which are well known to every anthropologist". You may as wellIn short Doolie you are talking rubbish. Not facts. Not even educated >conjecture. Or one might say, no knowledge and a vivid imagination.
Everything I have stated is based on facts which are well known to every >anthropologist. No imagination was required. The only absurd statement that >has been made here is by you - that there are areas of the earth which
have
never been trod by man. Only Antarctica fills that bill.
[...]
You claim that every notion that pops into your mind is "based on
often enough and people will believe it". And it does typify youBut then, as Dr, Gobbels said, "tell a big enough lie and tell if
'"He was one of those who have an opinion on everything. UnfortunatelyI am reminded of a quote that seems to typify your posts"
parts of Australia, as well as the Sahara desert and Arabia's "EmptyYou see Dooley, whole sections of places like New Guinea and even
"John B." wrote in message >news:vkusqb1p7gtjlajtsepobiji2pblqrotba@4ax.com...
I have no interest at this particular time in learning anything about how >Redwood trees propagate. I do know that "relative primitive" is not an >abstraction, but a reality that millions of us appreciate to have at our
beck and call without the plague of mountain bikers present.
John B. wrote:
OK, so lets discuss the Sahara Desert in the context of there are places >where no man has ever walked. Did you know that the Sahara was not always
a desert? It was once a savanna that had water and animals and hence people. >This was a long time ago and it is thought that those early hunter-gatherers >later settled in Egypt when the desertification began. It is thought that an >oscillation of the earth every 11,000 years causes this phenomenon, so maybe >the Sahara will some day be a savanna again.
But now you begin to see how absurd is your statement that there are areas
of the earth that no man has ever walked. Man, like Kilroy, has at one time >or another been everywhere (except Antarctica).
Modern day hikers have no illusions about recreating primitive conditions, >but the desire to preserve relatively primitive areas for spiritual >recreation makes total sense. It is as close as we can get to our roots. And >the recreation needs to be man on foot, not man on a machine. Wilderness >areas are for pilgrimage, not for fun and games (sport). That you cant see >this makes you a true barbarian a man without culture. I am quite right to >despise you.
Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.
Trails are for walking. Whats the matter? Cant walk?
Ed Dolan the Great Minnesota
I have no interest at this particular time in learning anything about how >Redwood trees propagate. I do know that "relative primitive" is not an >abstraction, but a reality that millions of us appreciate to have at ourmodern effete America only wants the "nice" things with none of the
beck and call without the plague of mountain bikers present.
"Relative primitive", yet another term used to justify the fact that
Jesus Dooley but you people are pathetic.
mud and the crud, not sitting in an easy chair bemoaning the lack ofAt least the mountain bike people are real, they are out there in the
OK, so let’s discuss the Sahara Desert in the context of “there are places >where no man has ever walked”. Did you know that the Sahara was not always >a desert? It was once a savanna that had water and animals and hence
people.
This was a long time ago and it is thought that those early
hunter-gatherers
later settled in Egypt when the desertification began. It is thought that
an
oscillation of the earth every 11,000 years causes this phenomenon, so
maybe
the Sahara will some day be a savanna again.
But now you begin to see how absurd is your statement that there are areas
of the earth that no man has ever walked. Man, like Kilroy, has at one time >or another been everywhere (except Antarctica).
out whether you are really as stupid as you seem to be or whether youI've sort of been holding off replying as I've been trying to puzzle
teeming with life and little foot prints.But be that as it may, to take up the question of the lush Sahara,
Sahara may well have received a much higher rain fall in time pastI did a bit of research and it seems pretty well agreed that the
human population on the planet is Hyde (published 2007) and DurandA bit more research shows that the two most agreed upon estimates of
sq. Based on those figures there was, on an average one human forA check on the earth habitable land area comes up with 63,699,062 km.
been as high as 750,000, which sounds like a lot of people until youToday's Sahara Desert covers some 9,400,000 sq. Km. so based on world population estimates the total population of the Sahara might have
scampering about, running here and there all over the place.And you believe that these approximately 750,000 people were
inconveniences of staying alive. Child and female morality, forYou totally ignore the difficulties that primitive groups have in just getting enough to eat, not to mention all the rest of the
Nope Dooley, we will have to mark this one up to a vivid imagination.
Modern day hikers have no illusions about recreating primitive conditions, >but the desire to preserve relatively primitive areas for spiritual >recreation makes total sense. It is as close as we can get to our roots.wonder just how greatly a world with flush toilets, hot and cold
And
the recreation needs to be man on foot, not man on a machine. Wilderness >areas are for pilgrimage, not for fun and games (sport). That you can’t see >this makes you a true barbarian – a man without culture. I am quite right >to
despise you.
Well, I accept your term "relatively primitive" although one has to
midges and ticks in your relatively primitive world? I suspect thatAnd what about all the mosquito's, deer fly's, yellow jacket hornets
your (relatively) primitive wilderness, I'm sure. Maybe a cute littleAnd of course, no savage animals, no wolves, bears or catamounts in
contains all kind of things. Yellow Jackets, mosquitoes and all kindSorry, Dooley but you strike out again. You see a real wilderness
over the place is by those loveable little birds. You see the redwoodIn fact, one of the ways that those big Red Wood trees got spread all
to be buried like other seeds. Just drop it right there on the groundAn interesting thing about the Red Wood seed is that it doesn't want
might do is visit http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2009/10/redwoods/nichols-photography#/07-silence-714.jpgGiven that your "relative primitive" has no basis in reality what you
And, it might be added, it will fit right in with your other imagined realities.
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Nope. The Mountain Bikers are real. Out there in the mud and the crud, >getting rained on when it is wet and covered with snow in the wintertime.
In other words destroying the trails for all except themselves. See the
Great Mike Vandeman, Ph.D., for how bikes destroy trails, most especially >when ridden in wet conditions. My God, you are not only a fool, but a dumb >fool.
The so called "treckers" are all living in their modified realism,huddled in the shade and worrying about whether there will be a
toilet cubical available when the urge is felt.
You must be describing yourself here.
Ed Dolan the Great Minnesota
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On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 05:16:13 -0500, "EdwardDolan" <edolan@iw.net>
wrote:
My God! This idiot has finally learned how to edit a post.
I have no interest at this particular time in learning anything about how >>Redwood trees propagate. I do know that "relative primitive" is not an >>abstraction, but a reality that millions of us appreciate to have at our >>beck and call without the plague of mountain bikers present.
real "primitive with toilets". Of course one cannot be expected to"Relative primitive", yet another term used to justify the fact that >modern effete America only wants the "nice" things with none of the
squat down to take a crap. And how would one wash one's hands without
running water, and Oh God, a mosquito.
Jesus Dooley but you people are pathetic.
The only pathetic asshole here is yourself. I am now blaming myself for >wasting time on an idiot like you. Either post relevant content or get lost!
At least I am not hearing any more nonsense about you having tread where no >man has trod, nope, not even in the forbidding Sahara, let alone in lush
West Papua.
mud and the crud, not sitting in an easy chair bemoaning the lack ofAt least the mountain bike people are real, they are out there in the
air conditioning.
Mountain bike people are crud. Fuck them, and you, all the way to Hell and >back!
Nope. The Mountain Bikers are real. Out there in the mud and the crud,getting rained on when it is wet and covered with snow in the winter
The so called "treckers" are all living in their modified realism,huddled in the shade and worrying about whether there will be a
The Treckers stand there and chant their mantra, "Its Ours, Its Ours"while the Mountain Bikers just get on and ride.
One would think that the treckers would be out there defending what istheirs, but they aren't. They are on the Internet shouting, "Its MINE,
Sort of like the school kid, safe inside the school yard fence,shouting "My daddy can lick your daddy" while outside the fence those
But, I suppose, that is part of the while modified realism thing.Imaging that one is an intrepid sort of bloke trudging over hill and
"John B." wrote in message >news:2q42rbpb5v1qaqqoqi21sa71bkjfa86jb1@4ax.com...he later did some squirming and arse kissing and got the record
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Nope. The Mountain Bikers are real. Out there in the mud and the crud, >getting rained on when it is wet and covered with snow in the wintertime.
In other words destroying the trails for all except themselves. See the
Great Mike Vandeman, Ph.D., for how bikes destroy trails, most especially >when ridden in wet conditions. My God, you are not only a fool, but a dumb >fool.
Ah, the great Vandeman, the convicted criminal. (and yes I know that
After all he held a doctorate and was a professor at Beckley, must beBut worshiping a criminal? Who is your next hero? "Ted" Kaczynski?
and you are the one that stated that you treckers didn't want theThe so called "treckers" are all living in their modified realism,huddled in the shade and worrying about whether there will be a
toilet cubical available when the urge is felt.
You must be describing yourself here.
You are the one that claimed to have spent 10 years roaming the trails
are the ones that destroyed the pristine wilderness by building pathsAnd you are the guy that admitted that you and your so called treckers
effete, version and you don't want any one else to impinge on yourIn other words, you don't want realism you want some watered down,
now you are disparaging the statements that you originally made.In short, all I'm doing is repeating stuff you said yourself.... and
Well, back again with your fantasies. What do they call it? Of yes,"augmented reality". Of course that is an oxymoron as reality can't be augmented, but I suppose it sounds a lot more technical than "Pipe
I mean, standing around with the trekking boots and the trekking poleand the trekking jacket and the trekking pants, saying "Where's the
Than the Mountain Bikers come by all covered with mud and mire andeverybody has an excuse that they need to go home and watch TV. "Oh!
No "trekkers" here just a bunch of effete fools.
Hey Duddly, the other day I mentioned that I was wondering about you.Whether you actually believe your stuff or whether you were lying.
And then you mentioned the Great God Vanderman and how smart he wasbecause he was a doctor. In fact you equated a doctorate with great
Somehow I seem to associate "Berkeley" and a doctorate in psychologywith the good doctor, so I did a search. Unfortunately Berkeley,
There seems to be something a bit weird here. A Doctor with no school records?
Would you care to comment on how Vanderman can have a doctorate and no school records the award of such a diploma?
"John B." wrote in message >news:m9t2rb975al831j2162v8hcnbc76gtsmp9@4ax.com...
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Well, back again with your fantasies. What do they call it? Of yes, >"augmented reality". Of course that is an oxymoron as reality can't be >augmented, but I suppose it sounds a lot more technical than "PipeDream", or "dumb ass dream", which would otherwise apply to you and
the other trekkers in their artificial "primitive" forest.
No wilderness on earth is pristine. All have been touched by mankind.
I mean, standing around with the trekking boots and the trekking poleand the trekking jacket and the trekking pants, saying "Where's the
path?" "It can't be that dirt path there. Why that is all muddy and
I'll mess up the shine on my boots".
No one knows what you are blathering about. But I know you for the fool that >you are.
Than the Mountain Bikers come by all covered with mud and mire and >everybody has an excuse that they need to go home and watch TV. "Oh!We can't trek now the trail is all messed up".
The only mess I know about is YOU!
No "trekkers" here just a bunch of effete fools.
Better to be effete than a destroyer of wilderness values.
Your juvenile sophistry will get you no where with me or with anyone else >with a brain in his head. Try something different, why don't you?
Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.
Trails are for walking. Whats the matter? Cant walk?
Ed Dolan the Great Minnesota
"John B." wrote in message >news:tca2rbtmlh0d6ghepqsvo6vmvae241kk16@4ax.com...
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 21:15:34 -0500, "EdwardDolan" <edolan@iw.net>
wrote:
"John B." wrote in message >>news:2q42rbpb5v1qaqqoqi21sa71bkjfa86jb1@4ax.com...
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Nope. The Mountain Bikers are real. Out there in the mud and the crud, >>getting rained on when it is wet and covered with snow in the wintertime.
In other words destroying the trails for all except themselves. See the >>Great Mike Vandeman, Ph.D., for how bikes destroy trails, most especially >>when ridden in wet conditions. My God, you are not only a fool, but a dumb >>fool.
he later did some squirming and arse kissing and got the recordAh, the great Vandeman, the convicted criminal. (and yes I know that
expurgated and now threatens people that mention it)
Convicted of nothing. Mr.Vandeman is NOT a public figure and is therefore >entitled to sue for libel.
After all he held a doctorate and was a professor at Beckley, must beBut worshiping a criminal? Who is your next hero? "Ted" Kaczynski?
an important guy. Was Vandiman a professor?
Acquiring a Ph.D is not an easy thing to do. But what would a dumbbell like >you know about that.
The so called "treckers" are all living in their modified realism, >>huddled in the shade and worrying about whether there will be atoilet cubical available when the urge is felt.
You must be describing yourself here.
pristine wilderness but a civilized version of that. No mosquitoes, no >mountain bikes, no mountain lions and indoor toilets.You are the one that claimed to have spent 10 years roaming the trails >and you are the one that stated that you treckers didn't want the
Is there something wrong with civilization? The only pristine wilderness is >on other planets where no man has trod. We have already established that man >has been everywhere on this planet. Wilderness that approximates a state of >nature is good enough for everyone - except apparently for fools like you. >You need to make a better argument for permitting bikes on trails other than >arguing for a pristine wilderness to justify desecrations of less than >pristine wilderness.
and trails so that you didn't have to actually experience thatAnd you are the guy that admitted that you and your so called treckers >are the ones that destroyed the pristine wilderness by building paths
wilderness.
Mankind has been trespassing all over the globe since he came out of Africa. >No part of the earth has been untouched by mankind - except large portions
of Antarctica. One can experience a wilderness with it having to be
pristine.
reality by actually riding a mountain bike through it.In other words, you don't want realism you want some watered down, >effete, version and you don't want any one else to impinge on your
One can experience a wilderness with it having to be pristine, but a >wilderness will no longer be a wilderness if mountain bikes and motorcycles >are whizzing through it.
now you are disparaging the statements that you originally made.In short, all I'm doing is repeating stuff you said yourself.... and
I have never been a purist about anything in my life. I can talk about >wilderness and its values without it having to be pristine. Obviously, you >can't.
In short, you have provided no justification for permitting bikes on trails >in wilderness settings. All you have done is present some juvenile sophistry >that fools nobody, least of all me.
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Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.
Trails are for walking. Whats the matter? Cant walk?
Ed Dolan the Great Minnesota
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Hey Duddly, the other day I mentioned that I was wondering about you. >Whether you actually believe your stuff or whether you were lying.
And then you mentioned the Great God Vanderman and how smart he wasbecause he was a doctor. In fact you equated a doctorate with great
mental powers.
I equate a doctorate with knowing something about something, unlike you who >seem to know nothing about nothing.
Somehow I seem to associate "Berkeley" and a doctorate in psychologywith the good doctor, so I did a search. Unfortunately Berkeley,
Psychology Department seems to have no record of any Vanderman, nor
can I find a reference to Berkeley granting a Doctorate in any subject
to a "Vanderman".
By Berkeley, I assume you mean the University of California at Berkeley. Try >some other schools somewhere else.
There seems to be something a bit weird here. A Doctor with no school >records?
Would you care to comment on how Vanderman can have a doctorate and no >school records the award of such a diploma?
His degree was acquired at some other school ... or else your research is as >fucked up as you are.
I am interested in what a moron like you were ever doing in a place like
West Papua (New Guinea)? Frankly, it is the ONLY thing about you that >interests me.
Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.
Trails are for walking. Whats the matter? Cant walk?
Ed Dolan the Great Minnesota
"John B." wrote in message >news:02uarbti7qeiojclt648bnv1ftvr4mhhbl@4ax.com...
On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 02:09:36 -0500, "EdwardDolan" <edolan@iw.net>
wrote:
"John B." wrote in message >>news:s8m7rbtl3t20ie7r8e782347vicbeao2ov@4ax.com...
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Hey Duddly, the other day I mentioned that I was wondering about you. >>Whether you actually believe your stuff or whether you were lying.mental powers.
And then you mentioned the Great God Vanderman and how smart he was >>because he was a doctor. In fact you equated a doctorate with great
I equate a doctorate with knowing something about something, unlike you who >>seem to know nothing about nothing.
Somehow I seem to associate "Berkeley" and a doctorate in psychologywith the good doctor, so I did a search. Unfortunately Berkeley,
Psychology Department seems to have no record of any Vanderman, nor
can I find a reference to Berkeley granting a Doctorate in any subject
to a "Vanderman".
By Berkeley, I assume you mean the University of California at Berkeley. >>Try
some other schools somewhere else.
There seems to be something a bit weird here. A Doctor with no school >>records?
Would you care to comment on how Vanderman can have a doctorate and no >>school records the award of such a diploma?
His degree was acquired at some other school ... or else your research is >>as
fucked up as you are.
that your idol's feet aren't made of clay.I see. You don't know, you can't find out and all you have is hope
You seem to enjoy looking things up ... so the ball is in your court. Trust >me, if I wanted to find out, I would. I was a professional librarian in >another lifetime.
So, the only question than is (1) are you as equal a phony as your >mentor? or (2) just a fool clinging to the shreds of a tattered idol?
So ... nothing. You do not have a clue as to what I think about anything - >period!
he used to rant and rave about cars. "CARS MUST BE BANNED!" You see he >claimed that an automobile ran over his cat and thus all autos must beHey! did you know that way back before Vandy discovered Mountain Bikes
banned from the city. Then, for a while he was arguing that Bulldozers
Must Be Banned", as he argued that bulldozers were killing the snakes.
He wants to reduce the impact of our life style (extreme urbanization) on >nature. It is all of one piece, but you are too stupid to see it.
You picked a real loony to worship.
I only worship the sun from which all life emanates.
I am interested in what a moron like you were ever doing in a place like >>West Papua (New Guinea)? Frankly, it is the ONLY thing about you that >>interests me.
Maintenance Supervisor at the largest copper mine in the world >(reserves).
got off my arse and went out and saw a little of the world and whatBut that really isn't important, is it. What is important is that I
some of its inhabitants are actually like.
although I have no experience at all I really do know what I amRather than huddling in some hut trying to impress people that
talking about. (See Vandi told me so).
So you have an engineering degree, but are sadly lacking in the liberal
arts. It is why you are such a savage yourself.
of the province, on various projects.By the way, the Grasberg job was just the first time I was in Irian. I >spent another 5 years there during various periods, in various parts
Well, you and I are polar opposites. That is probably why we are never going >to see things eye to eye.
You actually remind me of another engineer I butted heads with on various >newsgroups a few years back. He was a civil engineer and knew all the >technical aspects of bicycles. I did defer to him in his area of expertise, >just as I would to you. But outside his specialty, he was a nut like you. I >think engineers are "can do" people and this leads them to believe that they >have expert knowledge on subjects outside their area of expertise. We >liberals arts people are more humble. We don't pretend to be experts on
every subject under the sun.
For all the time you spent in New Guinea, you seemed not to have made any >connection with the locals. A little anthropology would have corrected that >deficiency in you. No doubt, you played the role of the ugly American (or
was it "ugly Australian") there just as you are playing that role here.
There is probably nothing wrong with you that a little civilization >(culture) would not cure. I have spent most of my life listening to the
music of Beethoven. That would be a good place for you to begin.
"John B." wrote in message >news:2etcrb9h2cl1l0bu664f2l9d911sj0s6tr@4ax.com...
Anyone who runs away from a settled area to live in a wilderness is an
idiot. The TV channels are full of programs that are about fools like that. >Such folks are crazy and are to be pitied more than condemned. But fuck 'em >anyway! My patience for suffering fools was long ago exhausted.
Anyone who runs away from a settled area to live in a wilderness is anruns away from a settled area.... and than feigns expertise in
idiot. The TV channels are full of programs that are about fools like that. >Such folks are crazy and are to be pitied more than condemned. But fuck 'em >anyway! My patience for suffering fools was long ago exhausted.
And that tells the real story. A bloke that states that anyone that
bulldozers killing the snakes?What's next. Will you, like Vandi, start screaming about the
For all the time you spent in New Guinea, you seemed not to have made any >connection with the locals. A little anthropology would have corrected that >deficiency in you. No doubt, you played the role of the ugly American (orworking on it and strange as it may seem, we took a very great
was it "ugly Australian") there just as you are playing that role here.
There is probably nothing wrong with you that a little civilization >(culture) would not cure. I have spent most of my life listening to the
music of Beethoven. That would be a good place for you to begin.
Well, the usual "project" would have from 1,000 to 3,000 locals
foreigner, 4 Javanese, and 3,000 locals?But how would one not interact. there is you, maybe one other
other fields, somewhat lacking. You see, in the book, the "UglyOh, by the way, your knowledge of English literature, as it is in
doctor who has no doctorate and knows nothing about AmericanSo, here we have the brilliant and resourceful Dooley who worships a
information and now exhibits his "knowledge" for all to see.Quite obviously an ignoramus who has seized on one tiny bit of
"John B." wrote in message >news:s8m7rbtl3t20ie7r8e782347vicbeao2ov@4ax.com...that your idol's feet aren't made of clay.
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Hey Duddly, the other day I mentioned that I was wondering about you. >Whether you actually believe your stuff or whether you were lying.
And then you mentioned the Great God Vanderman and how smart he wasbecause he was a doctor. In fact you equated a doctorate with great
mental powers.
I equate a doctorate with knowing something about something, unlike you who >seem to know nothing about nothing.
Somehow I seem to associate "Berkeley" and a doctorate in psychologywith the good doctor, so I did a search. Unfortunately Berkeley,
Psychology Department seems to have no record of any Vanderman, nor
can I find a reference to Berkeley granting a Doctorate in any subject
to a "Vanderman".
By Berkeley, I assume you mean the University of California at Berkeley.
Try
some other schools somewhere else.
There seems to be something a bit weird here. A Doctor with no school >records?
Would you care to comment on how Vanderman can have a doctorate and no >school records the award of such a diploma?
His degree was acquired at some other school ... or else your research is
as
fucked up as you are.
I see. You don't know, you can't find out and all you have is hope
mentor? or (2) just a fool clinging to the shreds of a tattered idol?So, the only question than is (1) are you as equal a phony as your
he used to rant and rave about cars. "CARS MUST BE BANNED!" You see heHey! did you know that way back before Vandy discovered Mountain Bikes
You picked a real loony to worship.
I am interested in what a moron like you were ever doing in a place like(reserves).
West Papua (New Guinea)? Frankly, it is the ONLY thing about you that >interests me.
Maintenance Supervisor at the largest copper mine in the world
got off my arse and went out and saw a little of the world and whatBut that really isn't important, is it. What is important is that I
although I have no experience at all I really do know what I amRather than huddling in some hut trying to impress people that
of the province, on various projects.By the way, the Grasberg job was just the first time I was in Irian. I spent another 5 years there during various periods, in various parts
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