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    From Joy Beeson@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 23 17:25:42 2020
    I started to type "pedestrian" into Duck Duck Go, and the first
    auto-complete suggestion was "pedestrian hit by car".

    Even more depressing: the first hit on "pedestrian roundabouts"
    advised pedestrians to watch out for bicyclists who had been ordered
    to ride on the walking path.

    But it did assume that there would be a refuge island in the middle of
    the crosswalk "allowing you to concentrate on traffic coming from only
    one direction at a time.".

    I don't off-hand recall having ever seen either a crosswalk or a
    refuge island at a roundabout, but I don't get around much any more.

    That was from the State of New York, which, as is well known, has
    insane laws, so it's not as depressing as it might be.

    On the other hand, the second site (anonymous attribution: https://www.epermittest.com/drivers-education/right-way-roundabouts)
    that I read advises:

    Keep in mind that you may encounter pedestrians pushing bicycles
    at roundabout crosswalks. While cyclists are permitted to use
    the roundabout like other vehicles, they often take the *safer option*
    of wheeling their bicycles over the crosswalk.

    Emphasis added.

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    Joy Beeson
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  • From Frank Krygowski@21:1/5 to Joy Beeson on Thu Jan 23 20:12:45 2020
    On 1/23/2020 7:26 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:

    This quote from https://www.smartcitiesdive.com/ex/sustainablecitiescollective/roundabout-safety-mixed-results-pedestrians-cyclists/122461/

    strikes me as a bit optimistic.

    Research has shown that bicyclists on the outside of traffic are
    often struck by entering motorists who fail to see them -- which
    is why separate bike lanes are not painted in roundabouts.

    I agree with that. I think it's critical to ride in the center of the
    lane. A few times I've also given "STOP!" signals, palm outward, to
    motorists approaching too quickly. But so far I've never had a real
    problem with a roundabout.

    I would advise timid cyclists to use the sidewalks and pedestrian
    crossings, probably walking their bikes.

    Pedestrians With Disabilities

    Even the best roundabouts, however, pose a special problem for
    pedestrians who are blind or have a disability. Unlike at a traffic
    light, vehicles in roundabouts never come to a complete stop, and
    pedestrians must instead rely on timing gaps between traffic. This is
    tricky for those with visual impairments or those who are unable to
    cross a lane of traffic quickly.

    I agree with this too, and I think it's a serious issue for such people.


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  • From Joy Beeson@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 23 19:26:22 2020
    This quote from https://www.smartcitiesdive.com/ex/sustainablecitiescollective/roundabout-safety-mixed-results-pedestrians-cyclists/122461/

    strikes me as a bit optimistic.

    Research has shown that bicyclists on the outside of traffic are
    often struck by entering motorists who fail to see them -- which
    is why separate bike lanes are not painted in roundabouts.


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