• Searching for source for special (?) ladderlock buckle

    From Reinhard Zwirner@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 6 16:04:49 2017
    Dear backcountry experts

    I'm searching for a certain ladderlock buckle, but until now in vain.

    <http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/big/12b4-l6-67c8.jpg>

    Does someone of you know a source and can name it? That would be
    great! Thank you very much in advance.

    Best regards

    Reinhard

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  • From hlillywh@juno.com@21:1/5 to Reinhard Zwirner on Thu Sep 7 11:37:34 2017
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 7:04:46 AM UTC-7, Reinhard Zwirner wrote:
    Dear backcountry experts

    I'm searching for a certain ladderlock buckle, but until now in vain.

    <http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/big/12b4-l6-67c8.jpg>

    Does someone of you know a source and can name it? That would be
    great! Thank you very much in advance.

    Not sure what you want. Do you just want to get rid of the one bar on the end? If so, a hack saw or file can modify the buckle. REI and other good outdoor retailers usually have a good collection of such things, or you can find gobs of
    them with an on-line search.

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  • From Reinhard Zwirner@21:1/5 to hlillywh@juno.com on Thu Sep 7 22:49:41 2017
    hlillywh@juno.com schrieb:

    [...]
    Not sure what you want. Do you just want to get rid of the one bar on the end?

    Exactly!

    If so, a hack saw or file can modify the buckle. ...

    I'm not sure if the 3rd bar will provide sufficient stability without
    the 4th bar. The 4th bar must be of a certain importance, otherwise
    it could have been omitted.

    ... REI and other good outdoor
    retailers usually have a good collection of such things, or you can find gobs of
    them with an on-line search.

    Be assured that I've intensely searched for a ladderlock buckle with
    three bars like the one in the photos - without success. There is
    such a buckle made by Sea To Summit, but it's only 1" wide.

    Best regards

    Reinhard

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  • From hlillywh@juno.com@21:1/5 to Reinhard Zwirner on Fri Sep 8 09:36:59 2017
    On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 1:49:35 PM UTC-7, Reinhard Zwirner wrote:
    hlillywh@juno.com schrieb:

    [...]
    Not sure what you want. Do you just want to get rid of the one bar on the end?

    Exactly!

    If so, a hack saw or file can modify the buckle. ...

    I'm not sure if the 3rd bar will provide sufficient stability without
    the 4th bar. The 4th bar must be of a certain importance, otherwise
    it could have been omitted.

    ... REI and other good outdoor
    retailers usually have a good collection of such things, or you can find gobs of
    them with an on-line search.

    Be assured that I've intensely searched for a ladderlock buckle with
    three bars like the one in the photos - without success. There is
    such a buckle made by Sea To Summit, but it's only 1" wide.

    Best regards

    Reinhard

    Most likely the extra bar is in case you need added friction. You probably won't
    lose much if you try cutting it off.

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  • From Reinhard Zwirner@21:1/5 to hlillywh@juno.com on Sat Sep 9 11:22:45 2017
    hlillywh@juno.com schrieb:

    [snip]
    Most likely the extra bar is in case you need added friction. ...

    Hmm. Are you sure? I can't see that.

    <http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/12b4-l7-b9cd.jpg>

    How can bar #4 add friction?

    ... You probably won't
    lose much if you try cutting it off.

    Would you bet on it ;-)? I for myself would feel not really safe
    using that buckle shortened according to your proposition.

    Best regards

    Reinhard

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  • From hlillywh@juno.com@21:1/5 to Reinhard Zwirner on Sat Sep 9 19:34:15 2017
    On Saturday, September 9, 2017 at 2:22:36 AM UTC-7, Reinhard Zwirner wrote:
    hlillywh@juno.com schrieb:

    [snip]
    Most likely the extra bar is in case you need added friction. ...

    Hmm. Are you sure? I can't see that.

    <http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/12b4-l7-b9cd.jpg>

    How can bar #4 add friction?

    One more bar to weave fabric around.
    ... You probably won't
    lose much if you try cutting it off.

    Would you bet on it ;-)? I for myself would feel not really safe
    using that buckle shortened according to your proposition.

    Safe? Surely you are not using this in a life safety application. Try it, testing trumps theory any day.

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  • From Reinhard Zwirner@21:1/5 to hlillywh@juno.com on Mon Sep 11 13:51:08 2017
    hlillywh@juno.com schrieb:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2017 at 2:22:36 AM UTC-7, Reinhard Zwirner wrote:
    hlillywh@juno.com schrieb:

    [snip]
    Most likely the extra bar is in case you need added friction. ...

    Hmm. Are you sure? I can't see that.

    <http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/12b4-l7-b9cd.jpg>

    How can bar #4 add friction?

    One more bar to weave fabric around.
    ... You probably won't
    lose much if you try cutting it off.

    Would you bet on it ;-)? I for myself would feel not really safe
    using that buckle shortened according to your proposition.

    Safe? Surely you are not using this in a life safety application.

    Of course not. But I feel "unsafe" if I have the impression that my
    hiking equipment isn't absolutely stable ;-).

    ... Try it, ...

    Ok, I'll do. But I'll blame it to you if the hip belt of my backpack
    suddenly doesn't work any more because of a broken buckle ;-)!

    Best regards

    Reinhard

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  • From hlillywh@juno.com@21:1/5 to Reinhard Zwirner on Tue Sep 12 11:59:53 2017
    On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 4:51:10 AM UTC-7, Reinhard Zwirner wrote:
    hlillywh@juno.com schrieb:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2017 at 2:22:36 AM UTC-7, Reinhard Zwirner wrote:
    hlillywh@juno.com schrieb:

    [snip]
    Most likely the extra bar is in case you need added friction. ...

    Hmm. Are you sure? I can't see that.

    <http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/12b4-l7-b9cd.jpg>

    How can bar #4 add friction?

    One more bar to weave fabric around.
    ... You probably won't
    lose much if you try cutting it off.

    Would you bet on it ;-)? I for myself would feel not really safe
    using that buckle shortened according to your proposition.

    Safe? Surely you are not using this in a life safety application.

    Of course not. But I feel "unsafe" if I have the impression that my
    hiking equipment isn't absolutely stable ;-).

    ... Try it, ...

    Ok, I'll do. But I'll blame it to you if the hip belt of my backpack
    suddenly doesn't work any more because of a broken buckle ;-)!

    Hey, I have a wife and daughters. I'm used to being blamed.

    And you could do the test near your home, that is what I was thinking of. Better
    find out if it works there than 20 miles down the trail.

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  • From Reinhard Zwirner@21:1/5 to hlillywh@juno.com on Tue Sep 12 22:09:15 2017
    hlillywh@juno.com schrieb:
    On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 4:51:10 AM UTC-7, Reinhard Zwirner wrote:
    hlillywh@juno.com schrieb:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2017 at 2:22:36 AM UTC-7, Reinhard Zwirner wrote: >>>> hlillywh@juno.com schrieb:

    [snip]
    Most likely the extra bar is in case you need added friction. ...

    Hmm. Are you sure? I can't see that.

    <http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/12b4-l7-b9cd.jpg>

    How can bar #4 add friction?

    One more bar to weave fabric around.
    ... You probably won't
    lose much if you try cutting it off.

    Would you bet on it ;-)? I for myself would feel not really safe
    using that buckle shortened according to your proposition.

    Safe? Surely you are not using this in a life safety application.

    Of course not. But I feel "unsafe" if I have the impression that my
    hiking equipment isn't absolutely stable ;-).

    ... Try it, ...

    Ok, I'll do. But I'll blame it to you if the hip belt of my backpack
    suddenly doesn't work any more because of a broken buckle ;-)!

    Hey, I have a wife and daughters. I'm used to being blamed.

    And you could do the test near your home, that is what I was thinking of. Better
    find out if it works there than 20 miles down the trail.

    Have you ever heard about Murphy's law <sigh>? But let us think
    positive ...!

    Best regards

    Reinhard

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  • From Reinhard Zwirner@21:1/5 to hlillywh@juno.com on Wed Sep 13 02:07:53 2017
    hlillywh@juno.com schrieb:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2017 at 1:09:14 PM UTC-7, Reinhard Zwirner wrote:
    hlillywh@juno.com schrieb:
    On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 4:51:10 AM UTC-7, Reinhard Zwirner wrote: >>>> hlillywh@juno.com schrieb:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2017 at 2:22:36 AM UTC-7, Reinhard Zwirner wrote:
    hlillywh@juno.com schrieb:

    [snip]
    Most likely the extra bar is in case you need added friction. ... >>>>>>
    Hmm. Are you sure? I can't see that.

    <http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/12b4-l7-b9cd.jpg>

    How can bar #4 add friction?

    One more bar to weave fabric around.
    ... You probably won't
    lose much if you try cutting it off.

    Would you bet on it ;-)? I for myself would feel not really safe
    using that buckle shortened according to your proposition.

    Safe? Surely you are not using this in a life safety application.

    Of course not. But I feel "unsafe" if I have the impression that my
    hiking equipment isn't absolutely stable ;-).

    ... Try it, ...

    Ok, I'll do. But I'll blame it to you if the hip belt of my backpack
    suddenly doesn't work any more because of a broken buckle ;-)!

    Hey, I have a wife and daughters. I'm used to being blamed.

    And you could do the test near your home, that is what I was thinking of. Better
    find out if it works there than 20 miles down the trail.

    Have you ever heard about Murphy's law <sigh>? But let us think
    positive ...!

    In your testing, put at least twice the stress on it that you expect in use.

    Maybe the buckle will survive but I'll die because of not being able
    to breathe any more when the hip belt is tightened this way ;-) ...

    I'll report my experiences after the first usage.

    Best regards and good night

    Reinhard

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  • From hlillywh@juno.com@21:1/5 to Reinhard Zwirner on Tue Sep 12 16:55:53 2017
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2017 at 1:09:14 PM UTC-7, Reinhard Zwirner wrote:
    hlillywh@juno.com schrieb:
    On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 4:51:10 AM UTC-7, Reinhard Zwirner wrote:
    hlillywh@juno.com schrieb:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2017 at 2:22:36 AM UTC-7, Reinhard Zwirner wrote:
    hlillywh@juno.com schrieb:

    [snip]
    Most likely the extra bar is in case you need added friction. ...

    Hmm. Are you sure? I can't see that.

    <http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/12b4-l7-b9cd.jpg>

    How can bar #4 add friction?

    One more bar to weave fabric around.
    ... You probably won't
    lose much if you try cutting it off.

    Would you bet on it ;-)? I for myself would feel not really safe
    using that buckle shortened according to your proposition.

    Safe? Surely you are not using this in a life safety application.

    Of course not. But I feel "unsafe" if I have the impression that my
    hiking equipment isn't absolutely stable ;-).

    ... Try it, ...

    Ok, I'll do. But I'll blame it to you if the hip belt of my backpack
    suddenly doesn't work any more because of a broken buckle ;-)!

    Hey, I have a wife and daughters. I'm used to being blamed.

    And you could do the test near your home, that is what I was thinking of. Better
    find out if it works there than 20 miles down the trail.

    Have you ever heard about Murphy's law <sigh>? But let us think
    positive ...!

    In your testing, put at least twice the stress on it that you expect in use.

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