https://todaytimeslive.com/world/333154.html?fbclid=IwAR0PRNbvujjJH1IE0E2XpaR-fkDAsj8CDgEQFZ2yiYTgeHIVS3_o9sCkP-UAfter a few thousand tows I am starting to wind down, at my ripe old age I have witnessed enough at the tow end of the rope to finally convince myself that this just is dangerous, I have actually known that for a long period of time. OBTP
That article could not have been written by a human.
That article could not have been written by a human.
Looks like an unimproved copy of an automatic translation
The original publication (Krone) is named in the piece
On Tuesday, 27 June 2023 at 21:32:57 UTC+1, stephen.s...@gmail.com wrote:
That article could not have been written by a human.
"Police say the glider may have started lurching at a low altitude
shortly after takeoff. At the same time, the bonnet opened, sending the sailor flying upwards. As a result, the tug tipped forward and crashed..."
That article could not have been written by a human.Most likely the result of a poorly set-up machine-translation software trying to handle Austrian-German to English.
Actually, this sounds exactly like a number of news reports I have read over the years. Basically, there are many, many "journalists" with absolutely zero knowledge of aviation, airplanes and the principles of flight. You get a job in journalism bystudying....JOURNALISM! Reporters aren't expected or required to have to actually KNOW anything about a particular subject to report on it.
On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 3:51:03 PM UTC-4, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
https://todaytimeslive.com/world/333154.html?fbclid=IwAR0PRNbvujjJH1IE0E2XpaR-fkDAsj8CDgEQFZ2yiYTgeHIVS3_o9sCkP-UAfter a few thousand tows I am starting to wind down, at my ripe old age I have witnessed enough at the tow end of the rope to finally convince myself that this just is dangerous, I have actually known that for a long period of time. OBTP
Although your comments can often be valid, (at least) two of us have concluded that this instance is a simple copy and paste job from an automatic translationVerletzungen. Der Segelflieger konnte unbeschadet wieder am Flugplatz landen.
https://www.krone.at/3042793
Putting sections of that into various translation websites comes within one or two words of the article cited at the start of the thread
Gleichzeitig habe sich die Haube geöffnet, wodurch der Segler in die Höhe schnellte. Dadurch kippte das Schleppflugzeug nach vorne und stürzte in eine Wiese und geriet nach dem Aufprall in Brand. Der 43-jährige Kärntner erlitt dabei tödliche
die Haube in this context means the canopy, but apparently (I didn't previously know) it also translates as bonnet or hood, which are types of hat, a crest or hood on a bird, but these words are also used in British and American English to denote acertain part of a car (I don't know whether German has this last use)
But better to consider the accident than take the piss out of the poor translation of the reportstudying....JOURNALISM! Reporters aren't expected or required to have to actually KNOW anything about a particular subject to report on it.
On Wednesday, 28 June 2023 at 01:35:04 UTC+1, Mark Mocho wrote:
Actually, this sounds exactly like a number of news reports I have read over the years. Basically, there are many, many "journalists" with absolutely zero knowledge of aviation, airplanes and the principles of flight. You get a job in journalism by
For a side opening canopy, which rudder do you press?
... What do you do if the canopy comes open – depends a lot on which way the canopy opens.No it absolutely does not depend on that: *always* *immediately* pull the release.
On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 5:13:53 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:Walt, I am getting to that stage, old age number 1, and lack of patience number 2. Why can't instructors look at competency levels the same as tow pilots??? It is a great question. OBTP
On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 3:51:03 PM UTC-4, waltco...@aol.com wrote:Careful Bob, it's the LAST ONE that gets you. I ended at 7000 tows, enjoyed it for the most part.
https://todaytimeslive.com/world/333154.html?fbclid=IwAR0PRNbvujjJH1IE0E2XpaR-fkDAsj8CDgEQFZ2yiYTgeHIVS3_o9sCkP-UAfter a few thousand tows I am starting to wind down, at my ripe old age I have witnessed enough at the tow end of the rope to finally convince myself that this just is dangerous, I have actually known that for a long period of time. OBTP
Walt Connelly
On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 3:51:03 PM UTC-4, waltco...@aol.com wrote:The solution to this is of course, self launched motorgliders.
https://todaytimeslive.com/world/333154.html?fbclid=IwAR0PRNbvujjJH1IE0E2XpaR-fkDAsj8CDgEQFZ2yiYTgeHIVS3_o9sCkP-UAfter a few thousand tows I am starting to wind down, at my ripe old age I have witnessed enough at the tow end of the rope to finally convince myself that this just is dangerous, I have actually known that for a long period of time. OBTP
On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 2:13:53 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:Go to Alaska Fitch, the ocean is calling. OBTP
On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 3:51:03 PM UTC-4, waltco...@aol.com wrote:The solution to this is of course, self launched motorgliders.
https://todaytimeslive.com/world/333154.html?fbclid=IwAR0PRNbvujjJH1IE0E2XpaR-fkDAsj8CDgEQFZ2yiYTgeHIVS3_o9sCkP-UAfter a few thousand tows I am starting to wind down, at my ripe old age I have witnessed enough at the tow end of the rope to finally convince myself that this just is dangerous, I have actually known that for a long period of time. OBTP
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:44:03 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:Been there, done that, just got back. Nicer weather this year, only about 8 days of rain out of the 50 we were out. Returned in time for the (cancelled) contest. Will have to content myself with self launching and flying 300 - 500 mile days out here at
On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 2:13:53 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:Go to Alaska Fitch, the ocean is calling. OBTP
On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 3:51:03 PM UTC-4, waltco...@aol.com wrote:The solution to this is of course, self launched motorgliders.
https://todaytimeslive.com/world/333154.html?fbclid=IwAR0PRNbvujjJH1IE0E2XpaR-fkDAsj8CDgEQFZ2yiYTgeHIVS3_o9sCkP-UAfter a few thousand tows I am starting to wind down, at my ripe old age I have witnessed enough at the tow end of the rope to finally convince myself that this just is dangerous, I have actually known that for a long period of time. OBTP
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 2:26:57 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:17,000 ft. Have fun in the heat and humidity of Florida, grinding away at 900 ft. above the swamp (geographic and political).
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:44:03 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:Been there, done that, just got back. Nicer weather this year, only about 8 days of rain out of the 50 we were out. Returned in time for the (cancelled) contest. Will have to content myself with self launching and flying 300 - 500 mile days out here at
On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 2:13:53 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:Go to Alaska Fitch, the ocean is calling. OBTP
On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 3:51:03 PM UTC-4, waltco...@aol.com wrote:The solution to this is of course, self launched motorgliders.
https://todaytimeslive.com/world/333154.html?fbclid=IwAR0PRNbvujjJH1IE0E2XpaR-fkDAsj8CDgEQFZ2yiYTgeHIVS3_o9sCkP-UAfter a few thousand tows I am starting to wind down, at my ripe old age I have witnessed enough at the tow end of the rope to finally convince myself that this just is dangerous, I have actually known that for a long period of time. OBTP
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 9:07:01 AM UTC-4, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 5:13:53 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 3:51:03 PM UTC-4, waltco...@aol.com wrote: >>>> https://todaytimeslive.com/world/333154.html?fbclid=IwAR0PRNbvujjJH1IE0E2XpaR-fkDAsj8CDgEQFZ2yiYTgeHIVS3_o9sCkP-UWalt, I am getting to that stage, old age number 1, and lack of patience number 2. Why can't instructors look at competency levels the same as tow pilots??? It is a great question. OBTP
After a few thousand tows I am starting to wind down, at my ripe old age I have witnessed enough at the tow end of the rope to finally convince myself that this just is dangerous, I have actually known that for a long period of time. OBTPCareful Bob, it's the LAST ONE that gets you. I ended at 7000 tows, enjoyed it for the most part.
Walt Connelly
On Wednesday, 28 June 2023 at 04:01:09 UTC+2, George Haeh wrote:Your choice, frankly, just about any aircraft will fly acceptably with the canopy/window open.
... What do you do if the canopy comes open – depends a lot on which way the canopy opens.No it absolutely does not depend on that: *always* *immediately* pull the release.
Then the tow pilot survives following your own carelessness with the canopy, and you have only one thing to concentrate on - your own safe return to earth.
J.
On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 3:51:03 PM UTC-4, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
https://todaytimeslive.com/world/333154.html?fbclid=IwAR0PRNbvujjJH1IE0E2XpaR-fkDAsj8CDgEQFZ2yiYTgeHIVS3_o9sCkP-UAfter a few thousand tows I am starting to wind down, at my ripe old age I have witnessed enough at the tow end of the rope to finally convince myself that this just is dangerous, I have actually known that for a long period of time. OBTP
On Wednesday, 28 June 2023 at 04:01:09 UTC+2, George Haeh wrote:
... What do you do if the canopy comes open – depends a lot on which way the canopy opens.No it absolutely does not depend on that: *always* *immediately* pull the release.
Then the tow pilot survives following your own carelessness with the canopy, and you have only one thing to concentrate on - your own safe return to earth.
J.
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 7:07:32 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:at 17,000 ft. Have fun in the heat and humidity of Florida, grinding away at 900 ft. above the swamp (geographic and political).
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 2:26:57 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:44:03 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:Been there, done that, just got back. Nicer weather this year, only about 8 days of rain out of the 50 we were out. Returned in time for the (cancelled) contest. Will have to content myself with self launching and flying 300 - 500 mile days out here
On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 2:13:53 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:Go to Alaska Fitch, the ocean is calling. OBTP
On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 3:51:03 PM UTC-4, waltco...@aol.com wrote:The solution to this is of course, self launched motorgliders.
https://todaytimeslive.com/world/333154.html?fbclid=IwAR0PRNbvujjJH1IE0E2XpaR-fkDAsj8CDgEQFZ2yiYTgeHIVS3_o9sCkP-UAfter a few thousand tows I am starting to wind down, at my ripe old age I have witnessed enough at the tow end of the rope to finally convince myself that this just is dangerous, I have actually known that for a long period of time. OBTP
Great comeback Fitch!!! Speaking of political, are you motorglider guys having the Drag Queen contest? Yes, it has been very hot here in Florida, such a severe storm last week that it blew about 25% of my mangoes off the trees. Take care out there inthe liberal hovel. OBTP
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:19:00 PM UTC-4, metca...@gmail.com wrote:solar farm most likely spot to crash. Glad I hung on.
On Wednesday, 28 June 2023 at 04:01:09 UTC+2, George Haeh wrote:Your choice, frankly, just about any aircraft will fly acceptably with the canopy/window open.
... What do you do if the canopy comes open – depends a lot on which way the canopy opens.No it absolutely does not depend on that: *always* *immediately* pull the release.
Then the tow pilot survives following your own carelessness with the canopy, and you have only one thing to concentrate on - your own safe return to earth.
J.
Noisy?, yes.
Breezy?, yes.
Even our Pawnee continued the tow of the ASK-21 (I was frontseat in the -21) when it's side window blew off. Yes, climbrate dropped a bunch, but it flew. If I/he released when it's window blew open, I would have been end of the runway, maybe 150',
Decades ago, at Black Forest, we removed the doors/windows of the Pawneesolar farm most likely spot to crash. Glad I hung on.
for those hot summer tows. Quite refreshing!
Dan
5J
On 6/28/23 20:13, Charlie M. (UH, Pi & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:19:00 PM UTC-4, metca...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, 28 June 2023 at 04:01:09 UTC+2, George Haeh wrote:Your choice, frankly, just about any aircraft will fly acceptably with the canopy/window open.
... What do you do if the canopy comes open – depends a lot on which way the canopy opens.No it absolutely does not depend on that: *always* *immediately* pull the release.
Then the tow pilot survives following your own carelessness with the canopy, and you have only one thing to concentrate on - your own safe return to earth.
J.
Noisy?, yes.
Breezy?, yes.
Even our Pawnee continued the tow of the ASK-21 (I was frontseat in the -21) when it's side window blew off. Yes, climbrate dropped a bunch, but it flew. If I/he released when it's window blew open, I would have been end of the runway, maybe 150',
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:19:00 PM UTC-4, metca...@gmail.com wrote:off and I watched it all in the mirror. He hung on and I continued to fly the standard departure pattern, drifted to the downwind to turn to the up wind. At about 200-250 feet he released and returned to the airport. Had he released when it happened he
On Wednesday, 28 June 2023 at 04:01:09 UTC+2, George Haeh wrote:Not necessarily, the Pawnee with 235 or 260 hp will continue to climb and tow even with a canopy open, I've had it happen to me. An older gentleman doing an add-on took off with the rear canopy of A Grob not properly latched, it popped open low on take
... What do you do if the canopy comes open – depends a lot on which way the canopy opens.No it absolutely does not depend on that: *always* *immediately* pull the release.
Then the tow pilot survives following your own carelessness with the canopy, and you have only one thing to concentrate on - your own safe return to earth.
J.
A good tow pilot will do everything he can to facilitate a good outcome in a bad situation. Had he not released I would have towed him to pattern altitude on the downwind and released him in position to make a successful landing.What Walt has said is one of the best comments about towing one could express. YES, a good tow pilot will do everything to make a bad situation safe! Whether it is controlling the power to assist the glider pilot to assisting and talking to the glider
Fly safely out there folks.
Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot.
On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 12:00:01 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:solar farm most likely spot to crash. Glad I hung on.
Decades ago, at Black Forest, we removed the doors/windows of the Pawnee
for those hot summer tows. Quite refreshing!
Dan
5J
On 6/28/23 20:13, Charlie M. (UH, Pi & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:19:00 PM UTC-4, metca...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, 28 June 2023 at 04:01:09 UTC+2, George Haeh wrote:Your choice, frankly, just about any aircraft will fly acceptably with the canopy/window open.
... What do you do if the canopy comes open – depends a lot on which way the canopy opens.No it absolutely does not depend on that: *always* *immediately* pull the release.
Then the tow pilot survives following your own carelessness with the canopy, and you have only one thing to concentrate on - your own safe return to earth.
J.
Noisy?, yes.
Breezy?, yes.
Even our Pawnee continued the tow of the ASK-21 (I was frontseat in the -21) when it's side window blew off. Yes, climbrate dropped a bunch, but it flew. If I/he released when it's window blew open, I would have been end of the runway, maybe 150',
Ya we do the same at X51, just beware false high airspeed & altitude readings...
Decades ago, at Black Forest, we removed the doors/windows of the Pawneesolar farm most likely spot to crash. Glad I hung on.
for those hot summer tows. Quite refreshing!
Dan
5J
On 6/28/23 20:13, Charlie M. (UH, Pi & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:19:00 PM UTC-4, metca...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, 28 June 2023 at 04:01:09 UTC+2, George Haeh wrote:Your choice, frankly, just about any aircraft will fly acceptably with the canopy/window open.
... What do you do if the canopy comes open – depends a lot on which way the canopy opens.No it absolutely does not depend on that: *always* *immediately* pull the release.
Then the tow pilot survives following your own carelessness with the canopy, and you have only one thing to concentrate on - your own safe return to earth.
J.
Noisy?, yes.
Breezy?, yes.
Even our Pawnee continued the tow of the ASK-21 (I was frontseat in the -21) when it's side window blew off. Yes, climbrate dropped a bunch, but it flew. If I/he released when it's window blew open, I would have been end of the runway, maybe 150',
On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 12:00:01 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:solar farm most likely spot to crash. Glad I hung on.
Decades ago, at Black Forest, we removed the doors/windows of the Pawnee for those hot summer tows. Quite refreshing!
Dan
5J
On 6/28/23 20:13, Charlie M. (UH, Pi & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:19:00 PM UTC-4, metca...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, 28 June 2023 at 04:01:09 UTC+2, George Haeh wrote:Your choice, frankly, just about any aircraft will fly acceptably with the canopy/window open.
... What do you do if the canopy comes open – depends a lot on which way the canopy opens.No it absolutely does not depend on that: *always* *immediately* pull the release.
Then the tow pilot survives following your own carelessness with the canopy, and you have only one thing to concentrate on - your own safe return to earth.
J.
Noisy?, yes.
Breezy?, yes.
Even our Pawnee continued the tow of the ASK-21 (I was frontseat in the -21) when it's side window blew off. Yes, climbrate dropped a bunch, but it flew. If I/he released when it's window blew open, I would have been end of the runway, maybe 150',
Interesting, our Pawnee info states to NOT fly with windows/doors open or removed.One of our tow pilots flys with one door open no problem. I choose not to instead adjust the vents. I suspect Piper didn't want the doors open due to the products being sprayed. The air flow in the cabin I better controlled with the doors closed.
On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 9:29:23 PM UTC-7, Charlie M. (UH, Pi & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:solar farm most likely spot to crash. Glad I hung on.
On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 12:00:01 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
Decades ago, at Black Forest, we removed the doors/windows of the Pawnee for those hot summer tows. Quite refreshing!
Dan
5J
On 6/28/23 20:13, Charlie M. (UH, Pi & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:19:00 PM UTC-4, metca...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, 28 June 2023 at 04:01:09 UTC+2, George Haeh wrote:Your choice, frankly, just about any aircraft will fly acceptably with the canopy/window open.
... What do you do if the canopy comes open – depends a lot on which way the canopy opens.No it absolutely does not depend on that: *always* *immediately* pull the release.
Then the tow pilot survives following your own carelessness with the canopy, and you have only one thing to concentrate on - your own safe return to earth.
J.
Noisy?, yes.
Breezy?, yes.
Even our Pawnee continued the tow of the ASK-21 (I was frontseat in the -21) when it's side window blew off. Yes, climbrate dropped a bunch, but it flew. If I/he released when it's window blew open, I would have been end of the runway, maybe 150',
isInteresting, our Pawnee info states to NOT fly with windows/doors open or removed.One of our tow pilots flys with one door open no problem. I choose not to instead adjust the vents. I suspect Piper didn't want the doors open due to the products being sprayed. The air flow in the cabin I better controlled with the doors closed.
On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 9:29:23 PM UTC-7, Charlie M. (UH, Pi & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:solar farm most likely spot to crash. Glad I hung on.
On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 12:00:01 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
Decades ago, at Black Forest, we removed the doors/windows of the Pawnee >>> for those hot summer tows. Quite refreshing!
Dan
5J
On 6/28/23 20:13, Charlie M. (UH, Pi & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:19:00 PM UTC-4, metca...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, 28 June 2023 at 04:01:09 UTC+2, George Haeh wrote:Your choice, frankly, just about any aircraft will fly acceptably with the canopy/window open.
... What do you do if the canopy comes open – depends a lot on which way the canopy opens.No it absolutely does not depend on that: *always* *immediately* pull the release.
Then the tow pilot survives following your own carelessness with the canopy, and you have only one thing to concentrate on - your own safe return to earth.
J.
Noisy?, yes.
Breezy?, yes.
Even our Pawnee continued the tow of the ASK-21 (I was frontseat in the -21) when it's side window blew off. Yes, climbrate dropped a bunch, but it flew. If I/he released when it's window blew open, I would have been end of the runway, maybe 150',
Interesting, our Pawnee info states to NOT fly with windows/doors open or removed.One of our tow pilots flys with one door open no problem. I choose not to instead adjust the vents. I suspect Piper didn't want the doors open due to the products being sprayed. The air flow in the cabin I better controlled with the doors closed.
Seat of the pants...solar farm most likely spot to crash. Glad I hung on.
Dan
5J
On 6/29/23 12:42, Tony wrote:
On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 12:00:01 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
Decades ago, at Black Forest, we removed the doors/windows of the Pawnee >> for those hot summer tows. Quite refreshing!
Dan
5J
On 6/28/23 20:13, Charlie M. (UH, Pi & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:19:00 PM UTC-4, metca...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, 28 June 2023 at 04:01:09 UTC+2, George Haeh wrote:Your choice, frankly, just about any aircraft will fly acceptably with the canopy/window open.
... What do you do if the canopy comes open – depends a lot on which way the canopy opens.No it absolutely does not depend on that: *always* *immediately* pull the release.
Then the tow pilot survives following your own carelessness with the canopy, and you have only one thing to concentrate on - your own safe return to earth.
J.
Noisy?, yes.
Breezy?, yes.
Even our Pawnee continued the tow of the ASK-21 (I was frontseat in the -21) when it's side window blew off. Yes, climbrate dropped a bunch, but it flew. If I/he released when it's window blew open, I would have been end of the runway, maybe 150',
Ya we do the same at X51, just beware false high airspeed & altitude readings...
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