I have acquired 2 older volkslogger 1.0 loggers, Im not sure if they are worth anything. Any ideas?

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On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 9:38:17 AM UTC-4, Gregg Leslie wrote:

I have acquired 2 older volkslogger 1.0 loggers, Im not sure if they are worth anything. Any ideas?

They probably suffer from the GPS epoch problem unless they have been updated. Support page at https://www.air-avionics.com/?page_id=401 says "Due to a lack of components and spare parts, we can, unfortunately, no longer offer repair services for legacy
Volkslogger units."

If working, they can be used, though they may take a while to lock on, on first use; they will deliver an IGC file, but it is not usable since the date will be wrong. They work ok to drive some PDAs (I used a VL driving my Dell Streak/XCSoar and it
worked well). According to the latest IGC approval summary I can find (Jul/2020), if they don't suffer the date problem, they are "Level 2 - All IGC Badges & Distance Diplomas. This applies to types of FRs that do not fulfill the Specification in a few
areas at the time of approval, but it has been decided that they be used for flights except for World Records. It is also used for old types of FRs that initially were at Level 1, but due to increases in the conditions of the FR Specification, are no
longer eligible for the World Record level."

The latest approval document is at: https://www.ukiws.uk/GFAC/approvals/garrecht.pdf and is dated in May 2020.

To upload and download, you will need a USB-to-serial converter (or a PC with serial port, which are getting rare) and I recall my VL was picky about which one it would work with. Also, the older VLs had binder 5 pin connectors (newer ones use RJ-45) ,
and if you rotate the pin with power on the cable it was probable you could kill the security seal. There are people around who still can calibrate them, and they record up to 20 km pressure altitude (65,000')/13 km (or 20 km depending on GPS module used)
GPS altitude, which is far higher than, say PowerFLARM CORE which records to 8191 m (26,873 ft) - which wouldn't have been enough for my Diamond Altitude. It might be worthwhile keeping one around to use as an electronic barograph if you intend to do
wave flying in Colorado, for Diamond Altitudes. I still have mine functioning as a paperweight on my desk, might bring it up to get my 2 Lennie pin someday.

The display is basic, but does give steering to points; it beeps when you pass waypoints, but if it's a sharp turn, it may turn you early to intercept the outbound track, and you might not make the turnpoint (ask me how I know). Downloads are slow if you
select the IGC certified type - 'calculating key' for a long time, then a short download once that's done. The quick download works well.

All in all, maybe useful, but something like an original Nano with Bluetooth and a PDA are a much better set up. I was surprised they retained IGC approval when contemporaries lost theirs.

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On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 9:38:17 AM UTC-4, Gregg Leslie wrote:

I have acquired 2 older volkslogger 1.0 loggers, Im not sure if they are worth anything. Any ideas?

As far as I know, they make for great paper-weights or conversation starters!
I use one as a GPS-source for my SN10b and it only works since D. Nadler has updated the SN10 to correct the date and time, so the files it creates are still acceptable.

Uli
'AS'

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On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 8:37:29 AM UTC-7, AS wrote:

On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 9:38:17 AM UTC-4, Gregg Leslie wrote:

I have acquired 2 older volkslogger 1.0 loggers, Im not sure if they are worth anything. Any ideas?

As far as I know, they make for great paper-weights or conversation starters!
I use one as a GPS-source for my SN10b and it only works since D. Nadler has updated the SN10 to correct the date and time, so the files it creates are still acceptable.

Uli
'AS'

a small rope and two of them may make a wheel chock

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On 5/11/2023 9:38 AM, Gregg Leslie wrote:

I have acquired 2 older volkslogger 1.0 loggers, Im not sure if they are worth anything. Any ideas?

I have one from which the 5-pin round connector has been removed,
otherwise intact. If anybody has a use for it, pay the shipping and
it's yours. (Located in Vermont, USA.)

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Hi Gregg,

I recommend you take them for a drive. If they log a flight log with the correct date, they are fine. That is pretty unlikely, but possible.

Best Regards,

Paul Remde

On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 8:38:17 AM UTC-5, Gregg Leslie wrote:

I have acquired 2 older volkslogger 1.0 loggers, Im not sure if they are worth anything. Any ideas?

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On Friday, May 12, 2023 at 8:07:21 AM UTC-4, Paul Remde wrote:

Hi Gregg,

I recommend you take them for a drive. If they log a flight log with the correct date, they are fine. That is pretty unlikely, but possible.

Best Regards,

Paul Remde
On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 8:38:17 AM UTC-5, Gregg Leslie wrote:

I have acquired 2 older volkslogger 1.0 loggers, Im not sure if they are worth anything. Any ideas?

Last I checked, they were still usable for silver & gold with paper dec regardless of the y2k issue, and it was possible to get them reworked in Germany, setting all that aside - including cost-benefit analyses. Streckenflugplanung (Strepla) is no longer
supported either...if anyone wants mine, send me postage. No cables.

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If the Volkslogger wasn't such newfangled technology compared to the iconic Cambridge L-NAV or the earlier B-NAV, Steve Leonard would probably buy every one he could find on eBay just so no other collector of obsolete equipment might amass a larger
amount of memorabilia than he has. Gotta have standards. They can be low standards, but they are still standards.

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On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 11:14:38 AM UTC-4, Dan Daly wrote:

On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 9:38:17 AM UTC-4, Gregg Leslie wrote:

I have acquired 2 older volkslogger 1.0 loggers, Im not sure if they are worth anything. Any ideas?

They probably suffer from the GPS epoch problem unless they have been updated. Support page at https://www.air-avionics.com/?page_id=401 says "Due to a lack of components and spare parts, we can, unfortunately, no longer offer repair services for

legacy Volkslogger units."

If working, they can be used, though they may take a while to lock on, on first use; they will deliver an IGC file, but it is not usable since the date will be wrong. They work ok to drive some PDAs (I used a VL driving my Dell Streak/XCSoar and it

worked well). According to the latest IGC approval summary I can find (Jul/2020), if they don't suffer the date problem, they are "Level 2 - All IGC Badges & Distance Diplomas. This applies to types of FRs that do not fulfill the Specification in a few
areas at the time of approval, but it has been decided that they be used for flights except for World Records. It is also used for old types of FRs that initially were at Level 1, but due to increases in the conditions of the FR Specification, are no
longer eligible for the World Record level."

The latest approval document is at: https://www.ukiws.uk/GFAC/approvals/garrecht.pdf and is dated in May 2020.

To upload and download, you will need a USB-to-serial converter (or a PC with serial port, which are getting rare) and I recall my VL was picky about which one it would work with. Also, the older VLs had binder 5 pin connectors (newer ones use RJ-45) ,

and if you rotate the pin with power on the cable it was probable you could kill the security seal. There are people around who still can calibrate them, and they record up to 20 km pressure altitude (65,000')/13 km (or 20 km depending on GPS module used)
GPS altitude, which is far higher than, say PowerFLARM CORE which records to 8191 m (26,873 ft) - which wouldn't have been enough for my Diamond Altitude. It might be worthwhile keeping one around to use as an electronic barograph if you intend to do
wave flying in Colorado, for Diamond Altitudes. I still have mine functioning as a paperweight on my desk, might bring it up to get my 2 Lennie pin someday.

The display is basic, but does give steering to points; it beeps when you pass waypoints, but if it's a sharp turn, it may turn you early to intercept the outbound track, and you might not make the turnpoint (ask me how I know). Downloads are slow if

you select the IGC certified type - 'calculating key' for a long time, then a short download once that's done. The quick download works well.

All in all, maybe useful, but something like an original Nano with Bluetooth and a PDA are a much better set up. I was surprised they retained IGC approval when contemporaries lost theirs.

If anyone wants them speak now, otherwise they are going to be recycled..

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On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 6:49:16 PM UTC-4, Gregg Leslie wrote:

On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 11:14:38 AM UTC-4, Dan Daly wrote:

On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 9:38:17 AM UTC-4, Gregg Leslie wrote:

I have acquired 2 older volkslogger 1.0 loggers, Im not sure if they are worth anything. Any ideas?

They probably suffer from the GPS epoch problem unless they have been updated. Support page at https://www.air-avionics.com/?page_id=401 says "Due to a lack of components and spare parts, we can, unfortunately, no longer offer repair services for

legacy Volkslogger units."

If working, they can be used, though they may take a while to lock on, on first use; they will deliver an IGC file, but it is not usable since the date will be wrong. They work ok to drive some PDAs (I used a VL driving my Dell Streak/XCSoar and it

worked well). According to the latest IGC approval summary I can find (Jul/2020), if they don't suffer the date problem, they are "Level 2 - All IGC Badges & Distance Diplomas. This applies to types of FRs that do not fulfill the Specification in a few
areas at the time of approval, but it has been decided that they be used for flights except for World Records. It is also used for old types of FRs that initially were at Level 1, but due to increases in the conditions of the FR Specification, are no
longer eligible for the World Record level."

The latest approval document is at: https://www.ukiws.uk/GFAC/approvals/garrecht.pdf and is dated in May 2020.

To upload and download, you will need a USB-to-serial converter (or a PC with serial port, which are getting rare) and I recall my VL was picky about which one it would work with. Also, the older VLs had binder 5 pin connectors (newer ones use RJ-45)

, and if you rotate the pin with power on the cable it was probable you could kill the security seal. There are people around who still can calibrate them, and they record up to 20 km pressure altitude (65,000')/13 km (or 20 km depending on GPS module
used) GPS altitude, which is far higher than, say PowerFLARM CORE which records to 8191 m (26,873 ft) - which wouldn't have been enough for my Diamond Altitude. It might be worthwhile keeping one around to use as an electronic barograph if you intend to
do wave flying in Colorado, for Diamond Altitudes. I still have mine functioning as a paperweight on my desk, might bring it up to get my 2 Lennie pin someday.

The display is basic, but does give steering to points; it beeps when you pass waypoints, but if it's a sharp turn, it may turn you early to intercept the outbound track, and you might not make the turnpoint (ask me how I know). Downloads are slow if

you select the IGC certified type - 'calculating key' for a long time, then a short download once that's done. The quick download works well.

All in all, maybe useful, but something like an original Nano with Bluetooth and a PDA are a much better set up. I was surprised they retained IGC approval when contemporaries lost theirs.

If anyone wants them speak now, otherwise they are going to be recycled..

Has it been recycled? I'm looking for a GPS for a SN10B I just acquired.

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On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 5:00:36 PM UTC-5, Ernesto / 2TK wrote:

On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 6:49:16 PM UTC-4, Gregg Leslie wrote:

On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 11:14:38 AM UTC-4, Dan Daly wrote:

On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 9:38:17 AM UTC-4, Gregg Leslie wrote:

I have acquired 2 older volkslogger 1.0 loggers, Im not sure if they are worth anything. Any ideas?

They probably suffer from the GPS epoch problem unless they have been updated. Support page at https://www.air-avionics.com/?page_id=401 says "Due to a lack of components and spare parts, we can, unfortunately, no longer offer repair services for

legacy Volkslogger units."

If working, they can be used, though they may take a while to lock on, on first use; they will deliver an IGC file, but it is not usable since the date will be wrong. They work ok to drive some PDAs (I used a VL driving my Dell Streak/XCSoar and it

worked well). According to the latest IGC approval summary I can find (Jul/2020), if they don't suffer the date problem, they are "Level 2 - All IGC Badges & Distance Diplomas. This applies to types of FRs that do not fulfill the Specification in a few
areas at the time of approval, but it has been decided that they be used for flights except for World Records. It is also used for old types of FRs that initially were at Level 1, but due to increases in the conditions of the FR Specification, are no
longer eligible for the World Record level."

The latest approval document is at: https://www.ukiws.uk/GFAC/approvals/garrecht.pdf and is dated in May 2020.

To upload and download, you will need a USB-to-serial converter (or a PC with serial port, which are getting rare) and I recall my VL was picky about which one it would work with. Also, the older VLs had binder 5 pin connectors (newer ones use RJ-

45) , and if you rotate the pin with power on the cable it was probable you could kill the security seal. There are people around who still can calibrate them, and they record up to 20 km pressure altitude (65,000')/13 km (or 20 km depending on GPS
module used) GPS altitude, which is far higher than, say PowerFLARM CORE which records to 8191 m (26,873 ft) - which wouldn't have been enough for my Diamond Altitude. It might be worthwhile keeping one around to use as an electronic barograph if you
intend to do wave flying in Colorado, for Diamond Altitudes. I still have mine functioning as a paperweight on my desk, might bring it up to get my 2 Lennie pin someday.

The display is basic, but does give steering to points; it beeps when you pass waypoints, but if it's a sharp turn, it may turn you early to intercept the outbound track, and you might not make the turnpoint (ask me how I know). Downloads are slow

if you select the IGC certified type - 'calculating key' for a long time, then a short download once that's done. The quick download works well.

All in all, maybe useful, but something like an original Nano with Bluetooth and a PDA are a much better set up. I was surprised they retained IGC approval when contemporaries lost theirs.

If anyone wants them speak now, otherwise they are going to be recycled..

Has it been recycled? I'm looking for a GPS for a SN10B I just acquired.

Ernesto, get yourself a FLARM as a GPS source for your SN10.
SN10 will correct epoch error for older GPS, but that's only in the SN10 flight log,
which is accepted for OLC but not IGC badges (don't know if WeGlide takes those logs).
A FLARM will give you better/easier logging plus collision avoidance help...

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On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:17:30 AM UTC-4, Dave Nadler wrote:

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 5:00:36 PM UTC-5, Ernesto / 2TK wrote:

On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 6:49:16 PM UTC-4, Gregg Leslie wrote:

On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 11:14:38 AM UTC-4, Dan Daly wrote:

On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 9:38:17 AM UTC-4, Gregg Leslie wrote:

I have acquired 2 older volkslogger 1.0 loggers, Im not sure if they are worth anything. Any ideas?

They probably suffer from the GPS epoch problem unless they have been updated. Support page at https://www.air-avionics.com/?page_id=401 says "Due to a lack of components and spare parts, we can, unfortunately, no longer offer repair services for

legacy Volkslogger units."

If working, they can be used, though they may take a while to lock on, on first use; they will deliver an IGC file, but it is not usable since the date will be wrong. They work ok to drive some PDAs (I used a VL driving my Dell Streak/XCSoar and

it worked well). According to the latest IGC approval summary I can find (Jul/2020), if they don't suffer the date problem, they are "Level 2 - All IGC Badges & Distance Diplomas. This applies to types of FRs that do not fulfill the Specification in a
few areas at the time of approval, but it has been decided that they be used for flights except for World Records. It is also used for old types of FRs that initially were at Level 1, but due to increases in the conditions of the FR Specification, are no
longer eligible for the World Record level."

The latest approval document is at: https://www.ukiws.uk/GFAC/approvals/garrecht.pdf and is dated in May 2020.

To upload and download, you will need a USB-to-serial converter (or a PC with serial port, which are getting rare) and I recall my VL was picky about which one it would work with. Also, the older VLs had binder 5 pin connectors (newer ones use RJ-

45) , and if you rotate the pin with power on the cable it was probable you could kill the security seal. There are people around who still can calibrate them, and they record up to 20 km pressure altitude (65,000')/13 km (or 20 km depending on GPS
module used) GPS altitude, which is far higher than, say PowerFLARM CORE which records to 8191 m (26,873 ft) - which wouldn't have been enough for my Diamond Altitude. It might be worthwhile keeping one around to use as an electronic barograph if you
intend to do wave flying in Colorado, for Diamond Altitudes. I still have mine functioning as a paperweight on my desk, might bring it up to get my 2 Lennie pin someday.

The display is basic, but does give steering to points; it beeps when you pass waypoints, but if it's a sharp turn, it may turn you early to intercept the outbound track, and you might not make the turnpoint (ask me how I know). Downloads are

slow if you select the IGC certified type - 'calculating key' for a long time, then a short download once that's done. The quick download works well.

All in all, maybe useful, but something like an original Nano with Bluetooth and a PDA are a much better set up. I was surprised they retained IGC approval when contemporaries lost theirs.

If anyone wants them speak now, otherwise they are going to be recycled..

Has it been recycled? I'm looking for a GPS for a SN10B I just acquired.

Ernesto, get yourself a FLARM as a GPS source for your SN10.
SN10 will correct epoch error for older GPS, but that's only in the SN10 flight log,
which is accepted for OLC but not IGC badges (don't know if WeGlide takes those logs).
A FLARM will give you better/easier logging plus collision avoidance help...

Thank you Dave,
I do have Flarm Fusion. I will read thru your instructions and figure out the wiring to make the connection possible.

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