Eric, I have some news that you will be gloating over for the next few days. I landed out today in the middle of an alligator and snake infested swamp. I did have a few saves from 800 agl but I finally had to stick the bird down. Looking for airboatswith trailers to assist in the recovery, no damage at all, just superior off field landing by the purist. I will be late for dinner tonight, and possibly be late for breakfast in the morning, but once a purist always a purist. Old Bob, The Purist
On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 2:59:55 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:with trailers to assist in the recovery, no damage at all, just superior off field landing by the purist. I will be late for dinner tonight, and possibly be late for breakfast in the morning, but once a purist always a purist. Old Bob, The Purist
Eric, I have some news that you will be gloating over for the next few days. I landed out today in the middle of an alligator and snake infested swamp. I did have a few saves from 800 agl but I finally had to stick the bird down. Looking for airboats
As you recall, I've encouraged you to fly a little farther, a little faster, so when you (apparently) do that, there is no gloating; in fact, I hope it's reason to celebrate your exploration of the limits of your soaring skills, your glider, andFlorida weather. So, what happened? Misread the weather, get distracted dissing a motorglider pilot over the radio, fooled by lying clouds, or maybe arriving at a good looking area just as it cycled down?
Eric
On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 2:59:55 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:with trailers to assist in the recovery, no damage at all, just superior off field landing by the purist. I will be late for dinner tonight, and possibly be late for breakfast in the morning, but once a purist always a purist. Old Bob, The Purist
Eric, I have some news that you will be gloating over for the next few days. I landed out today in the middle of an alligator and snake infested swamp. I did have a few saves from 800 agl but I finally had to stick the bird down. Looking for airboats
As you recall, I've encouraged you to fly a little farther, a little faster, so when you (apparently) do that, there is no gloating; in fact, I hope it's reason to celebrate your exploration of the limits of your soaring skills, your glider, andFlorida weather. So, what happened? Misread the weather, get distracted dissing a motorglider pilot over the radio, fooled by lying clouds, or maybe arriving at a good looking area just as it cycled down?
EricNo Eric, I did not go further, nor faster, the problem was that I made a mistake and paid the price, nothing ventured, nothing gained! I made two or three great recoveries from 800 AGL or below and had things going in my direction when the bottom fell
On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 5:07:55 PM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:airboats with trailers to assist in the recovery, no damage at all, just superior off field landing by the purist. I will be late for dinner tonight, and possibly be late for breakfast in the morning, but once a purist always a purist. Old Bob, The
On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 2:59:55 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
Eric, I have some news that you will be gloating over for the next few days. I landed out today in the middle of an alligator and snake infested swamp. I did have a few saves from 800 agl but I finally had to stick the bird down. Looking for
Florida weather. So, what happened? Misread the weather, get distracted dissing a motorglider pilot over the radio, fooled by lying clouds, or maybe arriving at a good looking area just as it cycled down?As you recall, I've encouraged you to fly a little farther, a little faster, so when you (apparently) do that, there is no gloating; in fact, I hope it's reason to celebrate your exploration of the limits of your soaring skills, your glider, and
Thomas, I pack my P365 in my glider, landing out is not a problem for me, only a problem for snakes, and alligators and crazy flaming liberals. OBTPEricMaybe Bobby will put up his motorless glider for sale and order a reliable motorglider. Maintaining motors is less stressful than fighting alligators!
Tom 2G
On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 8:58:42 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:airboats with trailers to assist in the recovery, no damage at all, just superior off field landing by the purist. I will be late for dinner tonight, and possibly be late for breakfast in the morning, but once a purist always a purist. Old Bob, The
On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 5:07:55 PM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 2:59:55 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
Eric, I have some news that you will be gloating over for the next few days. I landed out today in the middle of an alligator and snake infested swamp. I did have a few saves from 800 agl but I finally had to stick the bird down. Looking for
Florida weather. So, what happened? Misread the weather, get distracted dissing a motorglider pilot over the radio, fooled by lying clouds, or maybe arriving at a good looking area just as it cycled down?As you recall, I've encouraged you to fly a little farther, a little faster, so when you (apparently) do that, there is no gloating; in fact, I hope it's reason to celebrate your exploration of the limits of your soaring skills, your glider, and
EricMaybe Bobby will put up his motorless glider for sale and order a reliable motorglider. Maintaining motors is less stressful than fighting alligators!
Tom 2GThomas, I pack my P365 in my glider, landing out is not a problem for me, only a problem for snakes, and alligators and crazy flaming liberals. OBTP
The words "snakes, alligators, swamp, airboats with trailers" are possibly the best advertisements and recommendations for a motor I have ever seen.
Just sayin'
On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 10:09:42 PM UTC-4, Mark Mocho wrote:and planning my touchdown point and a very slow approach speed. I guess it was about 40 years ago when my friend Alfonso, E9, would make me practice the fine art of landing out, trust me, nobody did it better than Fonz. Old Bob, The Purist
The words "snakes, alligators, swamp, airboats with trailers" are possibly the best advertisements and recommendations for a motor I have ever seen.
Just sayin'No Macho, this is proof that pure gliders require more skillset than the motorglider pilot. Being prepared for a land out is something that I have told new students on many occasions. I practice the possibility of a land out often, bringing my ASW27 in
Thomas, I pack my P365 in my glider, landing out is not a problem for me, only a problem for snakes, and alligators and crazy flaming liberals. OBTP
Oh, Bob... Please tell me it's not the Rainbow version. https://www.sigsauer.com/p365-380-rainbow.htmlNo way Dan, I carry only the original version but I do carry more than one clip. Eileen on the other hand also packs for her flights and carries a nice little 38 with six in the drum. The 365 is an exceptional carry tool, lightweight, not too small and
Dan
5J
On 5/5/23 19:10, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
Thomas, I pack my P365 in my glider, landing out is not a problem for me, only a problem for snakes, and alligators and crazy flaming liberals. OBTP
It's never been about land owners. It's about mountain or desert
survival. Spend some time in the Sierras or Cascades with just what you carry in your glider and you might appreciate a firearm.
Having said that, I've spent lots of time in the wilds in survival
schools without any firearms; just a gore of a parachute and some
suspension line. Oh, I was a smoker at the time so I had a lighter, but
it was also nice to have some flint and steel. I have all of those in
my parachute harness. Do you?
Dan
5J
On 5/9/23 21:01, 2G wrote:
On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 5:49:23 PM UTC-7, Ramy wrote:
Yep, and the reason why I so much prefer to live and fly in blue state California. Less crazies with guns. Landed out in farm fields many times and yet to be chased by a gun.
Ramy
Oh, REALLY?
You obviously don't know much about CA:
1. Timothy Joseph McGhee
2. Angelo Anthony Buono Jr
3. Wayne Adam Ford
4. Cary Stayner
5. Chester Turner
6. William Bonin
7. Vincent Brothers
8. Marcus Wesson
9. Charles Ng
and last, but certainly not least:
10. Charles Manson
There are PLENTY of firearms in CA: https://calmatters.org/health/2018/11/heres-who-owns-guns-in-california-and-why/
I, too, have landed out in a number of farms not in CA and have NEVER been confronted with a gun packing farmer. Now, if you do land at New Hibiscus airpark you MAY be greated by a gun-packing resident.
Tom 2G
75% of the other law abiding citizens in Florida also pack.On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 3:52:00 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 12:40:18 PM UTC-4, Ramy wrote:
Just curious, when you landout in a farmer field do they always welcome the fact that you show up unexpectedly and carry a gun in their property?Ramy, this is Florida, not California, we are a RED state not a BLUE hovel, farmers pack as well, the farmer that helped me on Friday had more than one protection articles in his Ford F350. I have no problem telling people that I am packing, about
Ramy
Bob, The PuristMy son is a Structural Engineer PE, he packs as well and so does my wife Eileen, she probably would be the first one in the family to shoot any individual threatening her. Harrison and I would probably just kick your ass and shoot you for fun. Old
small and excellent quality. I store it in a special leather tote that fits back behind my headrest, kind of takes the place of the old barograph, yet weighs less.On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 12:14:34 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 12:19:33 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote: >>>>>> Oh, Bob... Please tell me it's not the Rainbow version.
https://www.sigsauer.com/p365-380-rainbow.htmlNo way Dan, I carry only the original version but I do carry more than one clip. Eileen on the other hand also packs for her flights and carries a nice little 38 with six in the drum. The 365 is an exceptional carry tool, lightweight, not too
Dan
5J
On 5/5/23 19:10, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
Thomas, I pack my P365 in my glider, landing out is not a problem for me, only a problem for snakes, and alligators and crazy flaming liberals. OBTP
ranch and raises lots of cattle his 2K pound prize bull was drug into the canal and killed by a huge gator. So, if a 2000 pound bull can be taken down by a big gator what chance do you that that one might have against such a beast?You can never tell when you will encounter a huge gator or a nutcase that wants to rob you. Being in a swamp area at night you can rest assured that a creature has spotted you long before you see it. My good friend here close to Vero has a nice
Did get home right at sunrise, was a bit late for dinner but breakfast was good after a long hot shower. Old Bob, The Purist
Agree a gun can be helpful in those situations.
Thankfully, I carry an inreach (and external batteries) which is likely to be even more helpful in bad situations. I also do carry basic survival kit in my landout kit.
Ramy
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 9:55:31 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
It's never been about land owners. It's about mountain or desert
survival. Spend some time in the Sierras or Cascades with just what you carry in your glider and you might appreciate a firearm.
Having said that, I've spent lots of time in the wilds in survival
schools without any firearms; just a gore of a parachute and some suspension line. Oh, I was a smoker at the time so I had a lighter, but
it was also nice to have some flint and steel. I have all of those in
my parachute harness. Do you?
Dan
5J
On 5/9/23 21:01, 2G wrote:
On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 5:49:23 PM UTC-7, Ramy wrote:
Yep, and the reason why I so much prefer to live and fly in blue state California. Less crazies with guns. Landed out in farm fields many times and yet to be chased by a gun.
Ramy
Oh, REALLY?
You obviously don't know much about CA:
1. Timothy Joseph McGhee
2. Angelo Anthony Buono Jr
3. Wayne Adam Ford
4. Cary Stayner
5. Chester Turner
6. William Bonin
7. Vincent Brothers
8. Marcus Wesson
9. Charles Ng
and last, but certainly not least:
10. Charles Manson
There are PLENTY of firearms in CA: https://calmatters.org/health/2018/11/heres-who-owns-guns-in-california-and-why/
I, too, have landed out in a number of farms not in CA and have NEVER been confronted with a gun packing farmer. Now, if you do land at New Hibiscus airpark you MAY be greated by a gun-packing resident.
Tom 2G
about 75% of the other law abiding citizens in Florida also pack.On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 3:52:00 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 12:40:18 PM UTC-4, Ramy wrote:
Just curious, when you landout in a farmer field do they always welcome the fact that you show up unexpectedly and carry a gun in their property?Ramy, this is Florida, not California, we are a RED state not a BLUE hovel, farmers pack as well, the farmer that helped me on Friday had more than one protection articles in his Ford F350. I have no problem telling people that I am packing,
Ramy
Old Bob, The PuristMy son is a Structural Engineer PE, he packs as well and so does my wife Eileen, she probably would be the first one in the family to shoot any individual threatening her. Harrison and I would probably just kick your ass and shoot you for fun.
small and excellent quality. I store it in a special leather tote that fits back behind my headrest, kind of takes the place of the old barograph, yet weighs less.On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 12:14:34 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 12:19:33 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote: >>>>>> Oh, Bob... Please tell me it's not the Rainbow version.
https://www.sigsauer.com/p365-380-rainbow.htmlNo way Dan, I carry only the original version but I do carry more than one clip. Eileen on the other hand also packs for her flights and carries a nice little 38 with six in the drum. The 365 is an exceptional carry tool, lightweight, not too
Dan
5J
On 5/5/23 19:10, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
Thomas, I pack my P365 in my glider, landing out is not a problem for me, only a problem for snakes, and alligators and crazy flaming liberals. OBTP
ranch and raises lots of cattle his 2K pound prize bull was drug into the canal and killed by a huge gator. So, if a 2000 pound bull can be taken down by a big gator what chance do you that that one might have against such a beast?You can never tell when you will encounter a huge gator or a nutcase that wants to rob you. Being in a swamp area at night you can rest assured that a creature has spotted you long before you see it. My good friend here close to Vero has a nice
Ramy, I carry the pistol with 2 extra clips, a flashlight and a mosquito net along with SPOT and a cell phone, in my crew vehicle there is a collection of Rum, Beer, and Water, the water is seldom used. OBTPDid get home right at sunrise, was a bit late for dinner but breakfast was good after a long hot shower. Old Bob, The Purist
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 9:46:27 AM UTC-4, kinsell wrote:you are walking along the canal better have a gun. OBTP
Alligators aren't a good enough reason to carry a gun?
And BTW, your blue state California isn't nearly as blue out in the
rural areas where you fly.
On 5/9/23 8:59 PM, Ramy wrote:
Totally different situation there. At least people have good reasons to carry guns there. Now back to soaring. I am afraid I am not going to make it to Moriarty this year. Maybe next. Miss our post flying beer time there.
Ramy
Ask the lady that was recently drug into a lake and killed while walking along the bank some 10 feet away from the water. For your information a gator is faster than a race horse for the first 40 yards. Gators can weigh more than 1000 pounds, so whenOn Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 6:53:17 PM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
Yep, and the reason why I so much prefer to live and fly in blue state California. Less crazies with guns. Landed out in farm fields many times and yet to be chased by a gun.I would bet you would have a slightly different outlook if you were living in your home nation of Israel.
Ramy
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 2:19:29 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:you are walking along the canal better have a gun. OBTP
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 9:46:27 AM UTC-4, kinsell wrote:
Alligators aren't a good enough reason to carry a gun?
And BTW, your blue state California isn't nearly as blue out in the rural areas where you fly.
On 5/9/23 8:59 PM, Ramy wrote:
Totally different situation there. At least people have good reasons to carry guns there. Now back to soaring. I am afraid I am not going to make it to Moriarty this year. Maybe next. Miss our post flying beer time there.
Ramy
Ask the lady that was recently drug into a lake and killed while walking along the bank some 10 feet away from the water. For your information a gator is faster than a race horse for the first 40 yards. Gators can weigh more than 1000 pounds, so whenOn Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 6:53:17 PM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
Yep, and the reason why I so much prefer to live and fly in blue state California. Less crazies with guns. Landed out in farm fields many times and yet to be chased by a gun.I would bet you would have a slightly different outlook if you were living in your home nation of Israel.
Ramy
Hey Booby, then you better be a VERY GOOD SHOT because you will have, maybe, enough time to get off one kill shot (and a 9 mm isn't all that effective against a gator). Remember, in this short period of time you will have to retrieve your gun fromwhere ever you have stored it, take off the safety, aim, and shoot. Best you PRACTICE this BEFORE you have to resort to it. Better read this:
https://gundigest.com/handguns/personal-defense/shot-placement-and-alligatorsTerrible Tommy, a gator can be as hard headed as you except for a soft plate area in the top of his head. I have killed many gators, with a 22 caliber rifle, it is the poachers choice. OBTP
"A bullet from just about anything placed here—in an area about the size of a golf ball—ends all of the excitement immediately."
Golf ball? REALLY??
Tom 2G
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 11:20:55 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:when you are walking along the canal better have a gun. OBTP
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 2:19:29 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 9:46:27 AM UTC-4, kinsell wrote:
Alligators aren't a good enough reason to carry a gun?
And BTW, your blue state California isn't nearly as blue out in the rural areas where you fly.
On 5/9/23 8:59 PM, Ramy wrote:
Totally different situation there. At least people have good reasons to carry guns there. Now back to soaring. I am afraid I am not going to make it to Moriarty this year. Maybe next. Miss our post flying beer time there.
Ramy
Ask the lady that was recently drug into a lake and killed while walking along the bank some 10 feet away from the water. For your information a gator is faster than a race horse for the first 40 yards. Gators can weigh more than 1000 pounds, soOn Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 6:53:17 PM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
Yep, and the reason why I so much prefer to live and fly in blue state California. Less crazies with guns. Landed out in farm fields many times and yet to be chased by a gun.I would bet you would have a slightly different outlook if you were living in your home nation of Israel.
Ramy
where ever you have stored it, take off the safety, aim, and shoot. Best you PRACTICE this BEFORE you have to resort to it. Better read this:Hey Booby, then you better be a VERY GOOD SHOT because you will have, maybe, enough time to get off one kill shot (and a 9 mm isn't all that effective against a gator). Remember, in this short period of time you will have to retrieve your gun from
https://gundigest.com/handguns/personal-defense/shot-placement-and-alligators
"A bullet from just about anything placed here—in an area about the size of a golf ball—ends all of the excitement immediately."
Golf ball? REALLY??
Tom 2GTerrible Tommy, a gator can be as hard headed as you except for a soft plate area in the top of his head. I have killed many gators, with a 22 caliber rifle, it is the poachers choice. OBTP
It's never been about land owners. It's about mountain or desert
survival. Spend some time in the Sierras or Cascades with just what you carry in your glider and you might appreciate a firearm.
Having said that, I've spent lots of time in the wilds in survival
schools without any firearms; just a gore of a parachute and some
suspension line. Oh, I was a smoker at the time so I had a lighter, but
it was also nice to have some flint and steel. I have all of those in
my parachute harness. Do you?
Dan
5J
On 5/9/23 21:01, 2G wrote:
On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 5:49:23 PM UTC-7, Ramy wrote:
Yep, and the reason why I so much prefer to live and fly in blue state California. Less crazies with guns. Landed out in farm fields many times and yet to be chased by a gun.
Ramy
Oh, REALLY?
You obviously don't know much about CA:
1. Timothy Joseph McGhee
2. Angelo Anthony Buono Jr
3. Wayne Adam Ford
4. Cary Stayner
5. Chester Turner
6. William Bonin
7. Vincent Brothers
8. Marcus Wesson
9. Charles Ng
and last, but certainly not least:
10. Charles Manson
There are PLENTY of firearms in CA: https://calmatters.org/health/2018/11/heres-who-owns-guns-in-california-and-why/
I, too, have landed out in a number of farms not in CA and have NEVER been confronted with a gun packing farmer. Now, if you do land at New Hibiscus airpark you MAY be greated by a gun-packing resident.
Tom 2G
75% of the other law abiding citizens in Florida also pack.On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 3:52:00 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 12:40:18 PM UTC-4, Ramy wrote:
Just curious, when you landout in a farmer field do they always welcome the fact that you show up unexpectedly and carry a gun in their property?Ramy, this is Florida, not California, we are a RED state not a BLUE hovel, farmers pack as well, the farmer that helped me on Friday had more than one protection articles in his Ford F350. I have no problem telling people that I am packing, about
Ramy
Bob, The PuristMy son is a Structural Engineer PE, he packs as well and so does my wife Eileen, she probably would be the first one in the family to shoot any individual threatening her. Harrison and I would probably just kick your ass and shoot you for fun. Old
small and excellent quality. I store it in a special leather tote that fits back behind my headrest, kind of takes the place of the old barograph, yet weighs less.On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 12:14:34 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 12:19:33 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote: >>>>>> Oh, Bob... Please tell me it's not the Rainbow version.
https://www.sigsauer.com/p365-380-rainbow.htmlNo way Dan, I carry only the original version but I do carry more than one clip. Eileen on the other hand also packs for her flights and carries a nice little 38 with six in the drum. The 365 is an exceptional carry tool, lightweight, not too
Dan
5J
On 5/5/23 19:10, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
Thomas, I pack my P365 in my glider, landing out is not a problem for me, only a problem for snakes, and alligators and crazy flaming liberals. OBTP
ranch and raises lots of cattle his 2K pound prize bull was drug into the canal and killed by a huge gator. So, if a 2000 pound bull can be taken down by a big gator what chance do you that that one might have against such a beast?You can never tell when you will encounter a huge gator or a nutcase that wants to rob you. Being in a swamp area at night you can rest assured that a creature has spotted you long before you see it. My good friend here close to Vero has a nice
Did get home right at sunrise, was a bit late for dinner but breakfast was good after a long hot shower. Old Bob, The Purist
I always carried four large Tootsie Rolls with me, they didn't melt and would last a long time, had them in a plastic bag.
I did not go to snake school as the war ended while I was still flying T-38s. But, for my tour in Alaska, I carried an extra big knife and a genuine Air Force fishing kit. It even had a pamphlet (with an AFP
number) and I recall the initial good advice was to select a willow or branch and tie the fishing line to the small end. I guess that advice
was for the Brooklyn natives.
Dan
5J
On Friday, May 12, 2023 at 6:51:34 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:each one of us they caught. I was not caught, I think I was the only one. Water survival was a ball, I grew up on the Florida coast swimming, surfing and scuba diving. I could have missed Fairchild and not cared but it was good training. Again, it's
I did not go to snake school as the war ended while I was still flying
T-38s. But, for my tour in Alaska, I carried an extra big knife and a
genuine Air Force fishing kit. It even had a pamphlet (with an AFP
number) and I recall the initial good advice was to select a willow or
branch and tie the fishing line to the small end. I guess that advice
was for the Brooklyn natives.
Dan
5J
Im a farm boy/country boy so hunting and fishing were familiar to me. Jungle School was actually fun, some of the city boys didn't much care for it especially when we had to hide in the jungle and avoid the Negritos who would get a pound of rice for
Walt
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