Looks like soaring in Florida continues to be quiet good, the triangles out os TCSC, or TCTC as we prefer are as always quiet impressive! The pilots up at SLGP are once again flying up and down Hwy27 trying to score a few FAI or OLC points while us down
here at the Treasure Coast are threading the needle as always and putting some real triangles on the board.
There have been us guys on the Treasure Coast to Thread the needle yet none of the Big Dogs from up in Clermont have even attempted to accomplish that objective.
Now I have gone around Lake O five times in both directions, have threaded the needle just as many times, yet none of the BIG DOGS have even done it once. Now, myself and the rest of the misfits down here in South Florida like poking the stick at the
bear, but the bear seems to be a pussy cat. It must take an old man like myself, new to this sport, to get the testosterones flowing so that we can have some friendly bantering .
Come on boys, thread the needle, you have motors to save your butt and elevate your ego's. If Jared was here with us misfits he would be the first one to say, "Game On"! Old Bob, The Purist

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On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 3:10:23 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

Looks like soaring in Florida continues to be quiet good, the triangles out os TCSC, or TCTC as we prefer are as always quiet impressive! The pilots up at SLGP are once again flying up and down Hwy27 trying to score a few FAI or OLC points while us

down here at the Treasure Coast are threading the needle as always and putting some real triangles on the board.

There have been us guys on the Treasure Coast to Thread the needle yet none of the Big Dogs from up in Clermont have even attempted to accomplish that objective.
Now I have gone around Lake O five times in both directions, have threaded the needle just as many times, yet none of the BIG DOGS have even done it once. Now, myself and the rest of the misfits down here in South Florida like poking the stick at the

bear, but the bear seems to be a pussy cat. It must take an old man like myself, new to this sport, to get the testosterones flowing so that we can have some friendly bantering .

Come on boys, thread the needle, you have motors to save your butt and elevate your ego's. If Jared was here with us misfits he would be the first one to say, "Game On"! Old Bob, The Purist

Spend a week at Seminole, show them how it's done by flying with them in the same area and weather, instead of comparing very different areas.

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On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 9:26:19 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 3:10:23 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

Looks like soaring in Florida continues to be quiet good, the triangles out osTCSC, or TCTC as we prefer are as always quiet impressive! The pilots up at SLGP are once again flying up and down Hwy27 trying to score a few FAI or OLC points while us

down here at the Treasure Coast are threading the needle as always and putting some real triangles on the board.

There have been us guys on the Treasure Coast to Thread the needle yet none of the Big Dogs from up in Clermont have even attempted to accomplish that objective.
Now I have gone around Lake O five times in both directions, have threaded the needle just as many times, yet none of the BIG DOGS have even done it once. Now, myself and the rest of the misfits down here in South Florida like poking the stick at the

bear, but the bear seems to be a pussy cat. It must take an old man like myself, new to this sport, to get the testosterones flowing so that we can have some friendly bantering .

Come on boys, thread the needle, you have motors to save your butt and elevate your ego's. If Jared was here with us misfits he would be the first one to say, "Game On"! Old Bob, The Purist

Spend a week at Seminole, show them how it's done by flying with them in the same area and weather, instead of comparing very different areas.

Eric, we do fly the same areas, and often cross paths close to HWY27, yet we never see those big dogs threading the needle or going deep into the Everglades, they mostly all have motors, so what would be the problem? I can hardly accept your very
different areas take on Florida weather, we all pretty much have the same, they get westerly convergence and we get easterly convergence, other than that not much difference.
One thing that I will say about Florida weather is that this peninsular has some unique weather and it changes about every six hours, platforms like Dr. Jack, and Skysight although sometimes good are more often than not incorrect in most every measure.
OBTP

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On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 4:47:28 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 9:26:19 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 3:10:23 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

Looks like soaring in Florida continues to be quiet good, the triangles out osTCSC, or TCTC as we prefer are as always quiet impressive! The pilots up at SLGP are once again flying up and down Hwy27 trying to score a few FAI or OLC points while us

down here at the Treasure Coast are threading the needle as always and putting some real triangles on the board.

There have been us guys on the Treasure Coast to Thread the needle yet none of the Big Dogs from up in Clermont have even attempted to accomplish that objective.
Now I have gone around Lake O five times in both directions, have threaded the needle just as many times, yet none of the BIG DOGS have even done it once. Now, myself and the rest of the misfits down here in South Florida like poking the stick at

the bear, but the bear seems to be a pussy cat. It must take an old man like myself, new to this sport, to get the testosterones flowing so that we can have some friendly bantering .

Come on boys, thread the needle, you have motors to save your butt and elevate your ego's. If Jared was here with us misfits he would be the first one to say, "Ga me On"! Old Bob, The Purist

Spend a week at Seminole, show them how it's done by flying with them in the same area and weather, instead of comparing very different areas.

Eric, we do fly the same areas, and often cross paths close to HWY27, yet we never see those big dogs threading the needle or going deep into the Everglades, they mostly all have motors, so what would be the problem? I can hardly accept your very

different areas take on Florida weather, we all pretty much have the same, they get westerly convergence and we get easterly convergence, other than that not much difference.

One thing that I will say about Florida weather is that this peninsular has some unique weather and it changes about every six hours, platforms like Dr. Jack, and Skysight although sometimes good are more often than not incorrect in most every measure.

OBTP
It's not just the weather: the airspace is just as important. How often have you "gone deep" to the north, overflying Seminole? For them to reach "the Everglades" is about a 380km round trip; for you to reach Seminole is only a 320 km roundtrip. It's not
just airspace that shapes people's flights, either: Lake Okeechobee is just as troublesome for you as the restricted airspace the Seminole pilots face. Want to show them "Purist Power"? Fly that roundtrip to Seminole! Or blow them away with a Hibiscus/
Seminole/Lykes Brighton triangle. Only 400km - easy in that great Florida weather.

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On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 1:46:22 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 4:47:28 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 9:26:19 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 3:10:23 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

Looks like soaring in Florida continues to be quiet good, the triangles out osTCSC, or TCTC as we prefer are as always quiet impressive! The pilots up at SLGP are once again flying up and down Hwy27 trying to score a few FAI or OLC points while

us down here at the Treasure Coast are threading the needle as always and putting some real triangles on the board.

There have been us guys on the Treasure Coast to Thread the needle yet none of the Big Dogs from up in Clermont have even attempted to accomplish that objective.
Now I have gone around Lake O five times in both directions, have threaded the needle just as many times, yet none of the BIG DOGS have even done it once. Now, myself and the rest of the misfits down here in South Florida like poking the stick at

the bear, but the bear seems to be a pussy cat. It must take an old man like myself, new to this sport, to get the testosterones flowing so that we can have some friendly bantering .

Come on boys, thread the needle, you have motors to save your butt and elevate your ego's. If Jared was here with us misfits he would be the first one to say, "Ga me On"! Old Bob, The Purist

Spend a week at Seminole, show them how it's done by flying with them in the same area and weather, instead of comparing very different areas.

Eric, we do fly the same areas, and often cross paths close to HWY27, yet we never see those big dogs threading the needle or going deep into the Everglades, they mostly all have motors, so what would be the problem? I can hardly accept your very

different areas take on Florida weather, we all pretty much have the same, they get westerly convergence and we get easterly convergence, other than that not much difference.

One thing that I will say about Florida weather is that this peninsular has some unique weather and it changes about every six hours, platforms like Dr. Jack, and Skysight although sometimes good are more often than not incorrect in most every

measure. OBTP

It's not just the weather: the airspace is just as important. How often have you "gone deep" to the north, overflying Seminole? For them to reach "the Everglades" is about a 380km round trip; for you to reach Seminole is only a 320 km roundtrip. It's

not just airspace that shapes people's flights, either: Lake Okeechobee is just as troublesome for you as the restricted airspace the Seminole pilots face. Want to show them "Purist Power"? Fly that roundtrip to Seminole! Or blow them away with a
Hibiscus/Seminole/Lykes Brighton triangle. Only 400km - easy in that great Florida weather.
Eric, the Seminole trip is no big deal, it has been done before and a picture was taken of their airstrip. All of us here at TCTC have threaded the needle, I was the first and have done it many times and coined the term, "Threading The Needle", THE BIG
DOGS

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On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 3:49:08 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 1:46:22 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 4:47:28 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 9:26:19 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 3:10:23 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

Looks like soaring in Florida continues to be quiet good, the triangles out osTCSC, or TCTC as we prefer are as always quiet impressive! The pilots up at SLGP are once again flying up and down Hwy27 trying to score a few FAI or OLC points while

us down here at the Treasure Coast are threading the needle as always and putting some real triangles on the board.

There have been us guys on the Treasure Coast to Thread the needle yet none of the Big Dogs from up in Clermont have even attempted to accomplish that objective.
Now I have gone around Lake O five times in both directions, have threaded the needle just as many times, yet none of the BIG DOGS have even done it once. Now, myself and the rest of the misfits down here in South Florida like poking the stick

at the bear, but the bear seems to be a pussy cat. It must take an old man like myself, new to this sport, to get the testosterones flowing so that we can have some friendly bantering .

Come on boys, thread the needle, you have motors to save your butt and elevate your ego's. If Jared was here with us misfits he would be the first one to say, "Ga me On"! Old Bob, The Purist

Spend a week at Seminole, show them how it's done by flying with them in the same area and weather, instead of comparing very different areas.

Eric, we do fly the same areas, and often cross paths close to HWY27, yet we never see those big dogs threading the needle or going deep into the Everglades, they mostly all have motors, so what would be the problem? I can hardly accept your very

different areas take on Florida weather, we all pretty much have the same, they get westerly convergence and we get easterly convergence, other than that not much difference.

One thing that I will say about Florida weather is that this peninsular has some unique weather and it changes about every six hours, platforms like Dr. Jack, and Skysight although sometimes good are more often than not incorrect in most every

measure. OBTP

It's not just the weather: the airspace is just as important. How often have you "gone deep" to the north, overflying Seminole? For them to reach "the Everglades" is about a 380km round trip; for you to reach Seminole is only a 320 km roundtrip. It's

not just airspace that shapes people's flights, either: Lake Okeechobee is just as troublesome for you as the restricted airspace the Seminole pilots face. Want to show them "Purist Power"? Fly that roundtrip to Seminole! Or blow them away with a
Hibiscus/Seminole/Lykes Brighton triangle. Only 400km - easy in that great Florida weather.

Eric, the Seminole trip is no big deal, it has been done before and a picture was taken of their airstrip. All of us here at TCTC have threaded the needle, I was the first and have done it many times and coined the term, "Threading The Needle", THE BIG

DOGS
Don't know what happened, but a power interruption made my post appear prior to finishing, soo, I will continue. The Big Dogs have yet to complete the trip, none of the Big Dogs have even threaded the needle, but, I bet that there is a purist up there
with an ASW27 that has accepted the challenge.
I am going to take you back in history to about 1979 when my great friend and fellow glider pilot and I decided to bust out and cross the Everglades fly far North and return back over the Everglades to our takeoff spot of Thermal Research well South of
Miami. Fonzie and I crossed the Everglades, headed toward Immokalee and headed North finally getting to where Seminole Lake is today, at that time it was still in Oviedo. Our trip was only half over, we turned and headed back South and made it back to
Thermal Research very late in the afternoon, to my knowledge Fonz and I are the only two to cross the entire swamp twice on the same day, I have a picture of Fonz sitting the his ASW20 after landing, and we both did it without having a motor to save our
ass, and I might add that R did not have a motor to save his ass when he completed his flight well into Georgia, that was when he was a Purist Pilot, but now in his golden years he has gone to the dark side.
If the Seminole motorglider guys are so confined by the restricted area then why are us TCTC fliers able to conquer that space and they have not??? They have that petro thermal generator to push them along. Old Bob, The Purist

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On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 1:09:23 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 3:49:08 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 1:46:22 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 4:47:28 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 9:26:19 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 3:10:23 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

Looks like soaring in Florida continues to be quiet good, the triangles out osTCSC, or TCTC as we prefer are as always quiet impressive! The pilots up at SLGP are once again flying up and down Hwy27 trying to score a few FAI or OLC points

while us down here at the Treasure Coast are threading the needle as always and putting some real triangles on the board.

There have been us guys on the Treasure Coast to Thread the needle yet none of the Big Dogs from up in Clermont have even attempted to accomplish that objective.
Now I have gone around Lake O five times in both directions, have threaded the needle just as many times, yet none of the BIG DOGS have even done it once. Now, myself and the rest of the misfits down here in South Florida like poking the

stick at the bear, but the bear seems to be a pussy cat. It must take an old man like myself, new to this sport, to get the testosterones flowing so that we can have some friendly bantering .

Come on boys, thread the needle, you have motors to save your butt and elevate your ego's. If Jared was here with us misfits he would be the first one to say, "Ga me On"! Old Bob, The Purist

Spend a week at Seminole, show them how it's done by flying with them in the same area and weather, instead of comparing very different areas.

Eric, we do fly the same areas, and often cross paths close to HWY27, yet we never see those big dogs threading the needle or going deep into the Everglades, they mostly all have motors, so what would be the problem? I can hardly accept your very

different areas take on Florida weather, we all pretty much have the same, they get westerly convergence and we get easterly convergence, other than that not much difference.

One thing that I will say about Florida weather is that this peninsular has some unique weather and it changes about every six hours, platforms like Dr. Jack, and Skysight although sometimes good are more often than not incorrect in most every

measure. OBTP

It's not just the weather: the airspace is just as important. How often have you "gone deep" to the north, overflying Seminole? For them to reach "the Everglades" is about a 380km round trip; for you to reach Seminole is only a 320 km roundtrip. It'

s not just airspace that shapes people's flights, either: Lake Okeechobee is just as troublesome for you as the restricted airspace the Seminole pilots face. Want to show them "Purist Power"? Fly that roundtrip to Seminole! Or blow them away with a
Hibiscus/Seminole/Lykes Brighton triangle. Only 400km - easy in that great Florida weather.

Eric, the Seminole trip is no big deal, it has been done before and a picture was taken of their airstrip. All of us here at TCTC have threaded the needle, I was the first and have done it many times and coined the term, "Threading The Needle", THE

BIG DOGS

Don't know what happened, but a power interruption made my post appear prior to finishing, soo, I will continue. The Big Dogs have yet to complete the trip, none of the Big Dogs have even threaded the needle, but, I bet that there is a purist up there

with an ASW27 that has accepted the challenge.

I am going to take you back in history to about 1979 when my great friend and fellow glider pilot and I decided to bust out and cross the Everglades fly far North and return back over the Everglades to our takeoff spot of Thermal Research well South of

Miami. Fonzie and I crossed the Everglades, headed toward Immokalee and headed North finally getting to where Seminole Lake is today, at that time it was still in Oviedo. Our trip was only half over, we turned and headed back South and made it back to
Thermal Research very late in the afternoon, to my knowledge Fonz and I are the only two to cross the entire swamp twice on the same day, I have a picture of Fonz sitting the his ASW20 after landing, and we both did it without having a motor to save our
ass, and I might add that R did not have a motor to save his ass when he completed his flight well into Georgia, that was when he was a Purist Pilot, but now in his golden years he has gone to the dark side.

If the Seminole motorglider guys are so confined by the restricted area then why are us TCTC fliers able to conquer that space and they have not??? They have that petro thermal generator to push them along. Old Bob, The Purist

Recently, Old Bob confirmed to me that his use of "without having a motor to save our ass" is a reference to doing a self-retrieve, and not to avoid a crash. And that's the best plan for a motorglider pilot: use the motor for convenience, not as a safety
device.

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On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 12:12:24 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 1:09:23 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 3:49:08 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 1:46:22 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 4:47:28 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 9:26:19 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 3:10:23 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

Looks like soaring in Florida continues to be quiet good, the triangles out osTCSC, or TCTC as we prefer are as always quiet impressive! The pilots up at SLGP are once again flying up and down Hwy27 trying to score a few FAI or OLC points

while us down here at the Treasure Coast are threading the needle as always and putting some real triangles on the board.

There have been us guys on the Treasure Coast to Thread the needle yet none of the Big Dogs from up in Clermont have even attempted to accomplish that objective.
Now I have gone around Lake O five times in both directions, have threaded the needle just as many times, yet none of the BIG DOGS have even done it once. Now, myself and the rest of the misfits down here in South Florida like poking the

stick at the bear, but the bear seems to be a pussy cat. It must take an old man like myself, new to this sport, to get the testosterones flowing so that we can have some friendly bantering .

Come on boys, thread the needle, you have motors to save your butt and elevate your ego's. If Jared was here with us misfits he would be the first one to say, "Ga me On"! Old Bob, The Purist

Spend a week at Seminole, show them how it's done by flying with them in the same area and weather, instead of comparing very different areas.

Eric, we do fly the same areas, and often cross paths close to HWY27, yet we never see those big dogs threading the needle or going deep into the Everglades, they mostly all have motors, so what would be the problem? I can hardly accept your

very different areas take on Florida weather, we all pretty much have the same, they get westerly convergence and we get easterly convergence, other than that not much difference.

One thing that I will say about Florida weather is that this peninsular has some unique weather and it changes about every six hours, platforms like Dr. Jack, and Skysight although sometimes good are more often than not incorrect in most every

measure. OBTP

It's not just the weather: the airspace is just as important. How often have you "gone deep" to the north, overflying Seminole? For them to reach "the Everglades" is about a 380km round trip; for you to reach Seminole is only a 320 km roundtrip.

It's not just airspace that shapes people's flights, either: Lake Okeechobee is just as troublesome for you as the restricted airspace the Seminole pilots face. Want to show them "Purist Power"? Fly that roundtrip to Seminole! Or blow them away with a
Hibiscus/Seminole/Lykes Brighton triangle. Only 400km - easy in that great Florida weather.

Eric, the Seminole trip is no big deal, it has been done before and a picture was taken of their airstrip. All of us here at TCTC have threaded the needle, I was the first and have done it many times and coined the term, "Threading The Needle", THE

BIG DOGS

Don't know what happened, but a power interruption made my post appear prior to finishing, soo, I will continue. The Big Dogs have yet to complete the trip, none of the Big Dogs have even threaded the needle, but, I bet that there is a purist up

there with an ASW27 that has accepted the challenge.

I am going to take you back in history to about 1979 when my great friend and fellow glider pilot and I decided to bust out and cross the Everglades fly far North and return back over the Everglades to our takeoff spot of Thermal Research well South

of Miami. Fonzie and I crossed the Everglades, headed toward Immokalee and headed North finally getting to where Seminole Lake is today, at that time it was still in Oviedo. Our trip was only half over, we turned and headed back South and made it back to
Thermal Research very late in the afternoon, to my knowledge Fonz and I are the only two to cross the entire swamp twice on the same day, I have a picture of Fonz sitting the his ASW20 after landing, and we both did it without having a motor to save our
ass, and I might add that R did not have a motor to save his ass when he completed his flight well into Georgia, that was when he was a Purist Pilot, but now in his golden years he has gone to the dark side.

If the Seminole motorglider guys are so confined by the restricted area then why are us TCTC fliers able to conquer that space and they have not??? They have that petro thermal generator to push them along. Old Bob, The Purist

Recently, Old Bob confirmed to me that his use of "without having a motor to save our ass" is a reference to doing a self-retrieve, and not to avoid a crash. And that's the best plan for a motorglider pilot: use the motor for convenience, not as a

safety device.
Eric, you must admit that convenience and safety go together. What is interesting is the reliability of the motorglider when needed. I can only recall two instances where the motor did not start when called upon that resulted in land outs. Once was
during a Seniors event when some guy left an airport area low and was going to rely on the motor and it did not start when called upon and the other there was a malfunction of the engine and it would not start and also resulted in a land out. So with
that said I would like for you to give me some idea as to the percentage of reliability that you would put on a motorglider start when needed, I would say that the reliability is probably 98%, which certainly makes it a save your ass safety device. Old
Bob, The Purist

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On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 5:01:01 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 12:12:24 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 1:09:23 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 3:49:08 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 1:46:22 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 4:47:28 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 9:26:19 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 3:10:23 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

Looks like soaring in Florida continues to be quiet good, the triangles out osTCSC, or TCTC as we prefer are as always quiet impressive! The pilots up at SLGP are once again flying up and down Hwy27 trying to score a few FAI or OLC points

while us down here at the Treasure Coast are threading the needle as always and putting some real triangles on the board.

There have been us guys on the Treasure Coast to Thread the needle yet none of the Big Dogs from up in Clermont have even attempted to accomplish that objective.
Now I have gone around Lake O five times in both directions, have threaded the needle just as many times, yet none of the BIG DOGS have even done it once. Now, myself and the rest of the misfits down here in South Florida like poking the

stick at the bear, but the bear seems to be a pussy cat. It must take an old man like myself, new to this sport, to get the testosterones flowing so that we can have some friendly bantering .

Come on boys, thread the needle, you have motors to save your butt and elevate your ego's. If Jared was here with us misfits he would be the first one to say, "Ga me On"! Old Bob, The Purist

Spend a week at Seminole, show them how it's done by flying with them in the same area and weather, instead of comparing very different areas.

Eric, we do fly the same areas, and often cross paths close to HWY27, yet we never see those big dogs threading the needle or going deep into the Everglades, they mostly all have motors, so what would be the problem? I can hardly accept your

very different areas take on Florida weather, we all pretty much have the same, they get westerly convergence and we get easterly convergence, other than that not much difference.

One thing that I will say about Florida weather is that this peninsular has some unique weather and it changes about every six hours, platforms like Dr. Jack, and Skysight although sometimes good are more often than not incorrect in most

every measure. OBTP

It's not just the weather: the airspace is just as important. How often have you "gone deep" to the north, overflying Seminole? For them to reach "the Everglades" is about a 380km round trip; for you to reach Seminole is only a 320 km roundtrip.

It's not just airspace that shapes people's flights, either: Lake Okeechobee is just as troublesome for you as the restricted airspace the Seminole pilots face. Want to show them "Purist Power"? Fly that roundtrip to Seminole! Or blow them away with a
Hibiscus/Seminole/Lykes Brighton triangle. Only 400km - easy in that great Florida weather.

Eric, the Seminole trip is no big deal, it has been done before and a picture was taken of their airstrip. All of us here at TCTC have threaded the needle, I was the first and have done it many times and coined the term, "Threading The Needle",

THE BIG DOGS

Don't know what happened, but a power interruption made my post appear prior to finishing, soo, I will continue. The Big Dogs have yet to complete the trip, none of the Big Dogs have even threaded the needle, but, I bet that there is a purist up

there with an ASW27 that has accepted the challenge.

I am going to take you back in history to about 1979 when my great friend and fellow glider pilot and I decided to bust out and cross the Everglades fly far North and return back over the Everglades to our takeoff spot of Thermal Research well

South of Miami. Fonzie and I crossed the Everglades, headed toward Immokalee and headed North finally getting to where Seminole Lake is today, at that time it was still in Oviedo. Our trip was only half over, we turned and headed back South and made it
back to Thermal Research very late in the afternoon, to my knowledge Fonz and I are the only two to cross the entire swamp twice on the same day, I have a picture of Fonz sitting the his ASW20 after landing, and we both did it without having a motor to
save our ass, and I might add that R did not have a motor to save his ass when he completed his flight well into Georgia, that was when he was a Purist Pilot, but now in his golden years he has gone to the dark side.

If the Seminole motorglider guys are so confined by the restricted area then why are us TCTC fliers able to conquer that space and they have not??? They have that petro thermal generator to push them along. Old Bob, The Purist

Recently, Old Bob confirmed to me that his use of "without having a motor to save our ass" is a reference to doing a self-retrieve, and not to avoid a crash. And that's the best plan for a motorglider pilot: use the motor for convenience, not as a

safety device.

Eric, you must admit that convenience and safety go together. What is interesting is the reliability of the motorglider when needed. I can only recall two instances where the motor did not start when called upon that resulted in land outs. Once was

during a Seniors event when some guy left an airport area low and was going to rely on the motor and it did not start when called upon and the other there was a malfunction of the engine and it would not start and also resulted in a land out. So with
that said I would like for you to give me some idea as to the percentage of reliability that you would put on a motorglider start when needed, I would say that the reliability is probably 98%, which certainly makes it a save your ass safety device. Old
Bob, The Purist

Hey Bobby, your example just confirmed what Eric said: the motor was a convenience to do a self-retrieve; the safety "device" was a landable field. What would be reckless would be venturing into an unlandable area with the plan that the motor would bail
you out. Anyone flying a motorless glider could have done the same thing.

Tom 2G

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On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 5:01:01 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 12:12:24 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 1:09:23 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 3:49:08 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 1:46:22 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 4:47:28 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 9:26:19 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 3:10:23 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

Looks like soaring in Florida continues to be quiet good, the triangles out osTCSC, or TCTC as we prefer are as always quiet impressive! The pilots up at SLGP are once again flying up and down Hwy27 trying to score a few FAI or OLC

points while us down here at the Treasure Coast are threading the needle as always and putting some real triangles on the board.

There have been us guys on the Treasure Coast to Thread the needle yet none of the Big Dogs from up in Clermont have even attempted to accomplish that objective.
Now I have gone around Lake O five times in both directions, have threaded the needle just as many times, yet none of the BIG DOGS have even done it once. Now, myself and the rest of the misfits down here in South Florida like poking

the stick at the bear, but the bear seems to be a pussy cat. It must take an old man like myself, new to this sport, to get the testosterones flowing so that we can have some friendly bantering .

Come on boys, thread the needle, you have motors to save your butt and elevate your ego's. If Jared was here with us misfits he would be the first one to say, "Ga me On"! Old Bob, The Purist

Spend a week at Seminole, show them how it's done by flying with them in the same area and weather, instead of comparing very different areas.

Eric, we do fly the same areas, and often cross paths close to HWY27, yet we never see those big dogs threading the needle or going deep into the Everglades, they mostly all have motors, so what would be the problem? I can hardly accept

your very different areas take on Florida weather, we all pretty much have the same, they get westerly convergence and we get easterly convergence, other than that not much difference.

One thing that I will say about Florida weather is that this peninsular has some unique weather and it changes about every six hours, platforms like Dr. Jack, and Skysight although sometimes good are more often than not incorrect in most

every measure. OBTP

It's not just the weather: the airspace is just as important. How often have you "gone deep" to the north, overflying Seminole? For them to reach "the Everglades" is about a 380km round trip; for you to reach Seminole is only a 320 km

roundtrip. It's not just airspace that shapes people's flights, either: Lake Okeechobee is just as troublesome for you as the restricted airspace the Seminole pilots face. Want to show them "Purist Power"? Fly that roundtrip to Seminole! Or blow them
away with a Hibiscus/Seminole/Lykes Brighton triangle. Only 400km - easy in that great Florida weather.

Eric, the Seminole trip is no big deal, it has been done before and a picture was taken of their airstrip. All of us here at TCTC have threaded the needle, I was the first and have done it many times and coined the term, "Threading The Needle",

THE BIG DOGS

Don't know what happened, but a power interruption made my post appear prior to finishing, soo, I will continue. The Big Dogs have yet to complete the trip, none of the Big Dogs have even threaded the needle, but, I bet that there is a purist up

there with an ASW27 that has accepted the challenge.

I am going to take you back in history to about 1979 when my great friend and fellow glider pilot and I decided to bust out and cross the Everglades fly far North and return back over the Everglades to our takeoff spot of Thermal Research well

South of Miami. Fonzie and I crossed the Everglades, headed toward Immokalee and headed North finally getting to where Seminole Lake is today, at that time it was still in Oviedo. Our trip was only half over, we turned and headed back South and made it
back to Thermal Research very late in the afternoon, to my knowledge Fonz and I are the only two to cross the entire swamp twice on the same day, I have a picture of Fonz sitting the his ASW20 after landing, and we both did it without having a motor to
save our ass, and I might add that R did not have a motor to save his ass when he completed his flight well into Georgia, that was when he was a Purist Pilot, but now in his golden years he has gone to the dark side.

If the Seminole motorglider guys are so confined by the restricted area then why are us TCTC fliers able to conquer that space and they have not??? They have that petro thermal generator to push them along. Old Bob, The Purist

Recently, Old Bob confirmed to me that his use of "without having a motor to save our ass" is a reference to doing a self-retrieve, and not to avoid a crash. And that's the best plan for a motorglider pilot: use the motor for convenience, not as a

safety device.

Eric, you must admit that convenience and safety go together. What is interesting is the reliability of the motorglider when needed. I can only recall two instances where the motor did not start when called upon that resulted in land outs. Once was

during a Seniors event when some guy left an airport area low and was going to rely on the motor and it did not start when called upon and the other there was a malfunction of the engine and it would not start and also resulted in a land out. So with
that said I would like for you to give me some idea as to the percentage of reliability that you would put on a motorglider start when needed, I would say that the reliability is probably 98%, which certainly makes it a save your ass safety device. Old
Bob, The Purist

Hey Bobby, your example just confirmed what Eric said: the motor was a convenience to do a self-retrieve; the safety "device" was a landable field. What would be reckless would be venturing into an unlandable area with the plan that the motor would

bail you out. Anyone flying a motorless glider could have done the same thing.

Tom 2G

No Thomas, anyone with a pure glider would have not skipped that landable airport less than two miles away, the PURIST would have just landed at the airport and called it a day. The SYAG depended on his safety cushion to start and save his a**, but the
engine did not start, so shame on that motorglider. Shame on that motorglider pilot for not starting the motor to ensure that it was operating properly prior to the start of the day. Motorglider comfort can be very misleading, as described in the case of
the motorglider land out. Old Bob, The Purist

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On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 9:23:45 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:

On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 5:01:01 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 12:12:24 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:

....

Hey Bobby, your example just confirmed what Eric said: the motor was a convenience to do a self-retrieve; the safety "device" was a landable field. What would be reckless would be venturing into an unlandable area with the plan that the motor would

bail you out. Anyone flying a motorless glider could have done the same thing.

Tom 2G

No Thomas, anyone with a pure glider would have not skipped that landable airport less than two miles away, the PURIST would have just landed at the airport and called it a day. The SYAG depended on his safety cushion to start and save his a**, but the

engine did not start, so shame on that motorglider. Shame on that motorglider pilot for not starting the motor to ensure that it was operating properly prior to the start of the day. Motorglider comfort can be very misleading, as described in the case of
the motorglider land out. Old Bob, The Purist

I usually self-launched at contests, but when I didn't, starting the engine on the ground was part of the pre-flight. That still does not ensure it will start in-flight, as a start failure can be caused by pilot error during the start, or even hours
before the attempted start; e,g,, by using running down the engine battery by inadvertently using it for the instruments during the flight. And, of course, the engine may have malfunction after the run on the ground (stuck microswitch, for example).

My observation is an ambitious contest pilot flying a towed glider pilot is very likely to risk a landout to increase his score; in part because it is much easier to retrieve a towed glider from a field than a self-launching glider. The fuselage for the
18M ASH26E weighs almost 500 lbs, but with the propulsion system removed (engine, mast, propeller, starting battery, fuel and tank, cabling, controller), it's less than 320 lbs. Getting that 500lb fuselage out of a field is much harder than the fuselage
of an ASG29, which is less than 300 lbs.

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On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 5:50:42 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 9:23:45 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:

On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 5:01:01 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 12:12:24 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 1:09:23 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 3:49:08 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 1:46:22 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 4:47:28 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 9:26:19 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 3:10:23 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

Looks like soaring in Florida continues to be quiet good, the triangles out osTCSC, or TCTC as we prefer are as always quiet impressive! The pilots up at SLGP are once again flying up and down Hwy27 trying to score a few FAI or OLC

points while us down here at the Treasure Coast are threading the needle as always and putting some real triangles on the board.

There have been us guys on the Treasure Coast to Thread the needle yet none of the Big Dogs from up in Clermont have even attempted to accomplish that objective.
Now I have gone around Lake O five times in both directions, have threaded the needle just as many times, yet none of the BIG DOGS have even done it once. Now, myself and the rest of the misfits down here in South Florida like poking

the stick at the bear, but the bear seems to be a pussy cat. It must take an old man like myself, new to this sport, to get the testosterones flowing so that we can have some friendly bantering .

Come on boys, thread the needle, you have motors to save your butt and elevate your ego's. If Jared was here with us misfits he would be the first one to say, "Ga me On"! Old Bob, The Purist

Spend a week at Seminole, show them how it's done by flying with them in the same area and weather, instead of comparing very different areas.

Eric, we do fly the same areas, and often cross paths close to HWY27, yet we never see those big dogs threading the needle or going deep into the Everglades, they mostly all have motors, so what would be the problem? I can hardly accept

your very different areas take on Florida weather, we all pretty much have the same, they get westerly convergence and we get easterly convergence, other than that not much difference.

One thing that I will say about Florida weather is that this peninsular has some unique weather and it changes about every six hours, platforms like Dr. Jack, and Skysight although sometimes good are more often than not incorrect in most

every measure. OBTP

It's not just the weather: the airspace is just as important. How often have you "gone deep" to the north, overflying Seminole? For them to reach "the Everglades" is about a 380km round trip; for you to reach Seminole is only a 320 km

roundtrip. It's not just airspace that shapes people's flights, either: Lake Okeechobee is just as troublesome for you as the restricted airspace the Seminole pilots face. Want to show them "Purist Power"? Fly that roundtrip to Seminole! Or blow them
away with a Hibiscus/Seminole/Lykes Brighton triangle. Only 400km - easy in that great Florida weather.

Eric, the Seminole trip is no big deal, it has been done before and a picture was taken of their airstrip. All of us here at TCTC have threaded the needle, I was the first and have done it many times and coined the term, "Threading The Needle"

, THE BIG DOGS

Don't know what happened, but a power interruption made my post appear prior to finishing, soo, I will continue. The Big Dogs have yet to complete the trip, none of the Big Dogs have even threaded the needle, but, I bet that there is a purist

up there with an ASW27 that has accepted the challenge.

I am going to take you back in history to about 1979 when my great friend and fellow glider pilot and I decided to bust out and cross the Everglades fly far North and return back over the Everglades to our takeoff spot of Thermal Research well

South of Miami. Fonzie and I crossed the Everglades, headed toward Immokalee and headed North finally getting to where Seminole Lake is today, at that time it was still in Oviedo. Our trip was only half over, we turned and headed back South and made it
back to Thermal Research very late in the afternoon, to my knowledge Fonz and I are the only two to cross the entire swamp twice on the same day, I have a picture of Fonz sitting the his ASW20 after landing, and we both did it without having a motor to
save our ass, and I might add that R did not have a motor to save his ass when he completed his flight well into Georgia, that was when he was a Purist Pilot, but now in his golden years he has gone to the dark side.

If the Seminole motorglider guys are so confined by the restricted area then why are us TCTC fliers able to conquer that space and they have not??? They have that petro thermal generator to push them along. Old Bob, The Purist

Recently, Old Bob confirmed to me that his use of "without having a motor to save our ass" is a reference to doing a self-retrieve, and not to avoid a crash. And that's the best plan for a motorglider pilot: use the motor for convenience, not as

a safety device.

Eric, you must admit that convenience and safety go together. What is interesting is the reliability of the motorglider when needed. I can only recall two instances where the motor did not start when called upon that resulted in land outs. Once was

during a Seniors event when some guy left an airport area low and was going to rely on the motor and it did not start when called upon and the other there was a malfunction of the engine and it would not start and also resulted in a land out. So with
that said I would like for you to give me some idea as to the percentage of reliability that you would put on a motorglider start when needed, I would say that the reliability is probably 98%, which certainly makes it a save your ass safety device. Old
Bob, The Purist

Hey Bobby, your example just confirmed what Eric said: the motor was a convenience to do a self-retrieve; the safety "device" was a landable field. What would be reckless would be venturing into an unlandable area with the plan that the motor would

bail you out. Anyone flying a motorless glider could have done the same thing.

Tom 2G

No Thomas, anyone with a pure glider would have not skipped that landable airport less than two miles away, the PURIST would have just landed at the airport and called it a day. The SYAG depended on his safety cushion to start and save his a**, but the

engine did not start, so shame on that motorglider. Shame on that motorglider pilot for not starting the motor to ensure that it was operating properly prior to the start of the day. Motorglider comfort can be very misleading, as described in the case of
the motorglider land out. Old Bob, The Purist

Hey Boobie, so WHAT airport did you skip to land in the swamp?

Tom 2G

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On Sunday, May 14, 2023 at 10:12:34 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:

On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 5:50:42 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 9:23:45 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:

On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 5:01:01 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 12:12:24 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 1:09:23 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 3:49:08 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 1:46:22 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 4:47:28 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 9:26:19 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 3:10:23 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

Looks like soaring in Florida continues to be quiet good, the triangles out osTCSC, or TCTC as we prefer are as always quiet impressive! The pilots up at SLGP are once again flying up and down Hwy27 trying to score a few FAI or OLC

points while us down here at the Treasure Coast are threading the needle as always and putting some real triangles on the board.

There have been us guys on the Treasure Coast to Thread the needle yet none of the Big Dogs from up in Clermont have even attempted to accomplish that objective.
Now I have gone around Lake O five times in both directions, have threaded the needle just as many times, yet none of the BIG DOGS have even done it once. Now, myself and the rest of the misfits down here in South Florida like

poking the stick at the bear, but the bear seems to be a pussy cat. It must take an old man like myself, new to this sport, to get the testosterones flowing so that we can have some friendly bantering .

Come on boys, thread the needle, you have motors to save your butt and elevate your ego's. If Jared was here with us misfits he would be the first one to say, "Ga me On"! Old Bob, The Purist

Spend a week at Seminole, show them how it's done by flying with them in the same area and weather, instead of comparing very different areas.

Eric, we do fly the same areas, and often cross paths close to HWY27, yet we never see those big dogs threading the needle or going deep into the Everglades, they mostly all have motors, so what would be the problem? I can hardly accept

your very different areas take on Florida weather, we all pretty much have the same, they get westerly convergence and we get easterly convergence, other than that not much difference.

One thing that I will say about Florida weather is that this peninsular has some unique weather and it changes about every six hours, platforms like Dr. Jack, and Skysight although sometimes good are more often than not incorrect in

most every measure. OBTP

It's not just the weather: the airspace is just as important. How often have you "gone deep" to the north, overflying Seminole? For them to reach "the Everglades" is about a 380km round trip; for you to reach Seminole is only a 320 km

roundtrip. It's not just airspace that shapes people's flights, either: Lake Okeechobee is just as troublesome for you as the restricted airspace the Seminole pilots face. Want to show them "Purist Power"? Fly that roundtrip to Seminole! Or blow them
away with a Hibiscus/Seminole/Lykes Brighton triangle. Only 400km - easy in that great Florida weather.

Eric, the Seminole trip is no big deal, it has been done before and a picture was taken of their airstrip. All of us here at TCTC have threaded the needle, I was the first and have done it many times and coined the term, "Threading The

Needle", THE BIG DOGS

Don't know what happened, but a power interruption made my post appear prior to finishing, soo, I will continue. The Big Dogs have yet to complete the trip, none of the Big Dogs have even threaded the needle, but, I bet that there is a purist

up there with an ASW27 that has accepted the challenge.

I am going to take you back in history to about 1979 when my great friend and fellow glider pilot and I decided to bust out and cross the Everglades fly far North and return back over the Everglades to our takeoff spot of Thermal Research

well South of Miami. Fonzie and I crossed the Everglades, headed toward Immokalee and headed North finally getting to where Seminole Lake is today, at that time it was still in Oviedo. Our trip was only half over, we turned and headed back South and made
it back to Thermal Research very late in the afternoon, to my knowledge Fonz and I are the only two to cross the entire swamp twice on the same day, I have a picture of Fonz sitting the his ASW20 after landing, and we both did it without having a motor
to save our ass, and I might add that R did not have a motor to save his ass when he completed his flight well into Georgia, that was when he was a Purist Pilot, but now in his golden years he has gone to the dark side.

If the Seminole motorglider guys are so confined by the restricted area then why are us TCTC fliers able to conquer that space and they have not??? They have that petro thermal generator to push them along. Old Bob, The Purist

Recently, Old Bob confirmed to me that his use of "without having a motor to save our ass" is a reference to doing a self-retrieve, and not to avoid a crash. And that's the best plan for a motorglider pilot: use the motor for convenience, not

as a safety device.

Eric, you must admit that convenience and safety go together. What is interesting is the reliability of the motorglider when needed. I can only recall two instances where the motor did not start when called upon that resulted in land outs. Once

was during a Seniors event when some guy left an airport area low and was going to rely on the motor and it did not start when called upon and the other there was a malfunction of the engine and it would not start and also resulted in a land out. So with
that said I would like for you to give me some idea as to the percentage of reliability that you would put on a motorglider start when needed, I would say that the reliability is probably 98%, which certainly makes it a save your ass safety device. Old
Bob, The Purist

Hey Bobby, your example just confirmed what Eric said: the motor was a convenience to do a self-retrieve; the safety "device" was a landable field. What would be reckless would be venturing into an unlandable area with the plan that the motor would

bail you out. Anyone flying a motorless glider could have done the same thing.

Tom 2G

No Thomas, anyone with a pure glider would have not skipped that landable airport less than two miles away, the PURIST would have just landed at the airport and called it a day. The SYAG depended on his safety cushion to start and save his a**, but

the engine did not start, so shame on that motorglider. Shame on that motorglider pilot for not starting the motor to ensure that it was operating properly prior to the start of the day. Motorglider comfort can be very misleading, as described in the
case of the motorglider land out. Old Bob, The Purist

Hey Boobie, so WHAT airport did you skip to land in the swamp?

Tom 2G

Terrible Tommy, the answer to your question is, MANY! OBTP

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