If anyone is still watching this forum or sees this post, I am trying to find a copy of the 13m wing version of the Woodstock plans. Please let me know if you have access to them in any format (including any CAD format at all, DWG or other).
My email is just my first name and then the @ followed by bradleyventures and the dot com .
Thanks,
Stephan
Hello, I have bought a motorized woodstock one. Builder started it at 1993, but he died around 2015 disease.
The man on the Aerodrome, had doubts about the flying security because he said he didn't know the glue was used and since its 30 years old from the start project other is no warranty about flying it secure.
Any of you have knowledge about the construction of this glider, so if could be glue degradation depending? I have no idea how to check it.
Thank you in advance.
On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 3:05:18 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
Hello, I have bought a motorized woodstock one. Builder started it at 1993, but he died around 2015 disease.The recommended glue was Hughs Epoxy which is white in color and does not degrade over time.
The man on the Aerodrome, had doubts about the flying security because he said he didn't know the glue was used and since its 30 years old from the start project other is no warranty about flying it secure.
Any of you have knowledge about the construction of this glider, so if could be glue degradation depending? I have no idea how to check it.
Thank you in advance.
JJ
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 1:06:26 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 3:05:18 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:Don´t know if can be supervised or restored. If anyone want one already built, I have one for sale. Have no idea what glue was used.
Hello, I have bought a motorized woodstock one. Builder started it at 1993, but he died around 2015 disease.The recommended glue was Hughs Epoxy which is white in color and does not degrade over time.
The man on the Aerodrome, had doubts about the flying security because he said he didn't know the glue was used and since its 30 years old from the start project other is no warranty about flying it secure.
Any of you have knowledge about the construction of this glider, so if could be glue degradation depending? I have no idea how to check it.
Thank you in advance.
JJ
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 14:54:53 UTC+2, jose ferreira escribió:
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 1:06:26 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:I could be flying it, but instructors say could be risky since construction started on 1993, so parts of the glider are 30 years old, so no warranty about the security, I really don´t know.
On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 3:05:18 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:Don´t know if can be supervised or restored. If anyone want one already built, I have one for sale. Have no idea what glue was used.
Hello, I have bought a motorized woodstock one. Builder started it at 1993, but he died around 2015 disease.The recommended glue was Hughs Epoxy which is white in color and does not degrade over time.
The man on the Aerodrome, had doubts about the flying security because he said he didn't know the glue was used and since its 30 years old from the start project other is no warranty about flying it secure.
Any of you have knowledge about the construction of this glider, so if could be glue degradation depending? I have no idea how to check it.
Thank you in advance.
JJ
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:57:33 AM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 14:54:53 UTC+2, jose ferreira escribió:There are wooden gliders more than 90 years old, still flying. The real issue is how it has been maintained and stored, dry-rot is the main issue + the old animal based glue, that hasn’t been used since epoxy glues arrived 50 years ago.
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 1:06:26 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:I could be flying it, but instructors say could be risky since construction started on 1993, so parts of the glider are 30 years old, so no warranty about the security, I really don´t know.
On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 3:05:18 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:Don´t know if can be supervised or restored. If anyone want one already built, I have one for sale. Have no idea what glue was used.
Hello, I have bought a motorized woodstock one. Builder started it at 1993, but he died around 2015 disease.The recommended glue was Hughs Epoxy which is white in color and does not degrade over time.
The man on the Aerodrome, had doubts about the flying security because he said he didn't know the glue was used and since its 30 years old from the start project other is no warranty about flying it secure.
Any of you have knowledge about the construction of this glider, so if could be glue degradation depending? I have no idea how to check it.
Thank you in advance.
JJ
I would be more concerned about the addition of a motor to a light weight ship. It has got to be way over gross weight. Nobody in their right mind is going to buy into that bucket of worms!
I’d remove the motor, prop, battery and instruments and sell them separately and consider burning the rest. I believe there is liability associated with selling anything with known undisclosed problems!
JJ
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:57:33 AM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 14:54:53 UTC+2, jose ferreira escribió:There are wooden gliders more than 90 years old, still flying. The real issue is how it has been maintained and stored, dry-rot is the main issue + the old animal based glue, that hasn’t been used since epoxy glues arrived 50 years ago.
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 1:06:26 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:I could be flying it, but instructors say could be risky since construction started on 1993, so parts of the glider are 30 years old, so no warranty about the security, I really don´t know.
On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 3:05:18 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:Don´t know if can be supervised or restored. If anyone want one already built, I have one for sale. Have no idea what glue was used.
Hello, I have bought a motorized woodstock one. Builder started it at 1993, but he died around 2015 disease.The recommended glue was Hughs Epoxy which is white in color and does not degrade over time.
The man on the Aerodrome, had doubts about the flying security because he said he didn't know the glue was used and since its 30 years old from the start project other is no warranty about flying it secure.
Any of you have knowledge about the construction of this glider, so if could be glue degradation depending? I have no idea how to check it.
Thank you in advance.
JJ
I would be more concerned about the addition of a motor to a light weight ship. It has got to be way over gross weight. Nobody in their right mind is going to buy into that bucket of worms!
I’d remove the motor, prop, battery and instruments and sell them separately and consider burning the rest. I believe there is liability associated with selling anything with known undisclosed problems!
JJ
Thank you. The motor weights 11 kg. The entire Woodstock is about 180kg. I think that 11kg could be the weight difference of a pilot of 80kg or another pilot.to find out if there is any risk or if there isn´t.
The Woodstock was in a aerodrome for some years since 2015.Climate is quite hot and dry on the south of Spain.
The glider got the licence to fly date 2022, so I´m not sure if there existe a "known" problem, or instead just "unkown", just because the original builder died between 2015- 2018 so is not posible to ask him what glue used or not. So is not posible
It´s supposed that the glider passed some resistence testing to get the goverment licence, that was 8 years ago. So legally it has the oficcial licence to fly date 2022. Is it secure? I really don´t know.
If it´s not, its supposed they should not give the glider the licence, but I don´t know how they strict evaluate experimental aircrafts.
I was just adverstised about the age of the unit, and the unknown glue used, just because the man died.
But you are right, he should might advertise me before buy it. Now I have the doubt and must burn it? I have no experience. Have contacted to other peple and seem nobody seem to know if there is some security thing to be afraid or not.
What is the key to consider it a " bucket of worms"?
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 15:56:57 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:57:33 AM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 14:54:53 UTC+2, jose ferreira escribió:There are wooden gliders more than 90 years old, still flying. The real issue is how it has been maintained and stored, dry-rot is the main issue + the old animal based glue, that hasn’t been used since epoxy glues arrived 50 years ago.
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 1:06:26 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:I could be flying it, but instructors say could be risky since construction started on 1993, so parts of the glider are 30 years old, so no warranty about the security, I really don´t know.
On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 3:05:18 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:Don´t know if can be supervised or restored. If anyone want one already built, I have one for sale. Have no idea what glue was used.
Hello, I have bought a motorized woodstock one. Builder started it at 1993, but he died around 2015 disease.The recommended glue was Hughs Epoxy which is white in color and does not degrade over time.
The man on the Aerodrome, had doubts about the flying security because he said he didn't know the glue was used and since its 30 years old from the start project other is no warranty about flying it secure.
Any of you have knowledge about the construction of this glider, so if could be glue degradation depending? I have no idea how to check it.
Thank you in advance.
JJ
I would be more concerned about the addition of a motor to a light weight ship. It has got to be way over gross weight. Nobody in their right mind is going to buy into that bucket of worms!
I’d remove the motor, prop, battery and instruments and sell them separately and consider burning the rest. I believe there is liability associated with selling anything with known undisclosed problems!
JJ
NOn Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 8:31:50 AM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:to find out if there is any risk or if there isn´t.
Thank you. The motor weights 11 kg. The entire Woodstock is about 180kg. I think that 11kg could be the weight difference of a pilot of 80kg or another pilot.
The Woodstock was in a aerodrome for some years since 2015.Climate is quite hot and dry on the south of Spain.
The glider got the licence to fly date 2022, so I´m not sure if there existe a "known" problem, or instead just "unkown", just because the original builder died between 2015- 2018 so is not posible to ask him what glue used or not. So is not posible
Built category ………..solo!It´s supposed that the glider passed some resistence testing to get the goverment licence, that was 8 years ago. So legally it has the oficcial licence to fly date 2022. Is it secure? I really don´t know.
If it´s not, its supposed they should not give the glider the licence, but I don´t know how they strict evaluate experimental aircrafts.
I was just adverstised about the age of the unit, and the unknown glue used, just because the man died.
But you are right, he should might advertise me before buy it. Now I have the doubt and must burn it? I have no experience. Have contacted to other peple and seem nobody seem to know if there is some security thing to be afraid or not.
What is the key to consider it a " bucket of worms"?First things first…………go look at any glue seam on the ship………….if it’s white in color, it’s probably epoxy glue that doesn’t deteriorate!
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 15:56:57 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:57:33 AM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 14:54:53 UTC+2, jose ferreira escribió:There are wooden gliders more than 90 years old, still flying. The real issue is how it has been maintained and stored, dry-rot is the main issue + the old animal based glue, that hasn’t been used since epoxy glues arrived 50 years ago.
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 1:06:26 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:I could be flying it, but instructors say could be risky since construction started on 1993, so parts of the glider are 30 years old, so no warranty about the security, I really don´t know.
On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 3:05:18 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:Don´t know if can be supervised or restored. If anyone want one already built, I have one for sale. Have no idea what glue was used.
Hello, I have bought a motorized woodstock one. Builder started it at 1993, but he died around 2015 disease.The recommended glue was Hughs Epoxy which is white in color and does not degrade over time.
The man on the Aerodrome, had doubts about the flying security because he said he didn't know the glue was used and since its 30 years old from the start project other is no warranty about flying it secure.
Any of you have knowledge about the construction of this glider, so if could be glue degradation depending? I have no idea how to check it.
Thank you in advance.
JJ
I would be more concerned about the addition of a motor to a light weight ship. It has got to be way over gross weight. Nobody in their right mind is going to buy into that bucket of worms!
I’d remove the motor, prop, battery and instruments and sell them separately and consider burning the rest. I believe there is liability associated with selling anything with known undisclosed problems!
JJ
I don’t know anything about Experimental licensing in Spain, but in the US, there is no testing done by the government, they might try and steer you in a safe direction, but in the end, you’ll be allowed to fly anything in the Experimental Amateur
You said you recently purchased the ship, I’d take it back!
JJ
Can´t sent it back, too late. I asked a friend, showed a pic from the fuselage and said is Epoxy, although he say Epoxy is not white, is transparent. I have Epoxy at home for home figures and is transparent, not white.posible to find out if there is any risk or if there isn´t.
Regarding Spain , to fly legal must pass a large time inspection to get the license, that started 8 years ago. Even you cannot change any other part, like motor, if you do it without the supervision you lost the license.
Here are two pics https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1OuTicJgLihwi6Qx_hgDPB0kDGJ7l9m_q?usp=share_link
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 21:54:23 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
NOn Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 8:31:50 AM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
Thank you. The motor weights 11 kg. The entire Woodstock is about 180kg. I think that 11kg could be the weight difference of a pilot of 80kg or another pilot.
The Woodstock was in a aerodrome for some years since 2015.Climate is quite hot and dry on the south of Spain.
The glider got the licence to fly date 2022, so I´m not sure if there existe a "known" problem, or instead just "unkown", just because the original builder died between 2015- 2018 so is not posible to ask him what glue used or not. So is not
Amateur Built category ………..solo!It´s supposed that the glider passed some resistence testing to get the goverment licence, that was 8 years ago. So legally it has the oficcial licence to fly date 2022. Is it secure? I really don´t know.
If it´s not, its supposed they should not give the glider the licence, but I don´t know how they strict evaluate experimental aircrafts.
I was just adverstised about the age of the unit, and the unknown glue used, just because the man died.
But you are right, he should might advertise me before buy it. Now I have the doubt and must burn it? I have no experience. Have contacted to other peple and seem nobody seem to know if there is some security thing to be afraid or not.
What is the key to consider it a " bucket of worms"?First things first…………go look at any glue seam on the ship………….if it’s white in color, it’s probably epoxy glue that doesn’t deteriorate!
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 15:56:57 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:57:33 AM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 14:54:53 UTC+2, jose ferreira escribió:There are wooden gliders more than 90 years old, still flying. The real issue is how it has been maintained and stored, dry-rot is the main issue + the old animal based glue, that hasn’t been used since epoxy glues arrived 50 years ago.
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 1:06:26 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:I could be flying it, but instructors say could be risky since construction started on 1993, so parts of the glider are 30 years old, so no warranty about the security, I really don´t know.
On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 3:05:18 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:Don´t know if can be supervised or restored. If anyone want one already built, I have one for sale. Have no idea what glue was used.
Hello, I have bought a motorized woodstock one. Builder started it at 1993, but he died around 2015 disease.The recommended glue was Hughs Epoxy which is white in color and does not degrade over time.
The man on the Aerodrome, had doubts about the flying security because he said he didn't know the glue was used and since its 30 years old from the start project other is no warranty about flying it secure.
Any of you have knowledge about the construction of this glider, so if could be glue degradation depending? I have no idea how to check it.
Thank you in advance.
JJ
I would be more concerned about the addition of a motor to a light weight ship. It has got to be way over gross weight. Nobody in their right mind is going to buy into that bucket of worms!
I’d remove the motor, prop, battery and instruments and sell them separately and consider burning the rest. I believe there is liability associated with selling anything with known undisclosed problems!
JJ
I don’t know anything about Experimental licensing in Spain, but in the US, there is no testing done by the government, they might try and steer you in a safe direction, but in the end, you’ll be allowed to fly anything in the Experimental
You said you recently purchased the ship, I’d take it back!
JJ
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 2:34:55 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:posible to find out if there is any risk or if there isn´t.
Can´t sent it back, too late. I asked a friend, showed a pic from the fuselage and said is Epoxy, although he say Epoxy is not white, is transparent. I have Epoxy at home for home figures and is transparent, not white.
Regarding Spain , to fly legal must pass a large time inspection to get the license, that started 8 years ago. Even you cannot change any other part, like motor, if you do it without the supervision you lost the license.
Here are two pics https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1OuTicJgLihwi6Qx_hgDPB0kDGJ7l9m_q?usp=share_link
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 21:54:23 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
NOn Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 8:31:50 AM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
Thank you. The motor weights 11 kg. The entire Woodstock is about 180kg. I think that 11kg could be the weight difference of a pilot of 80kg or another pilot.
The Woodstock was in a aerodrome for some years since 2015.Climate is quite hot and dry on the south of Spain.
The glider got the licence to fly date 2022, so I´m not sure if there existe a "known" problem, or instead just "unkown", just because the original builder died between 2015- 2018 so is not posible to ask him what glue used or not. So is not
Amateur Built category ………..solo!It´s supposed that the glider passed some resistence testing to get the goverment licence, that was 8 years ago. So legally it has the oficcial licence to fly date 2022. Is it secure? I really don´t know.
If it´s not, its supposed they should not give the glider the licence, but I don´t know how they strict evaluate experimental aircrafts.
I was just adverstised about the age of the unit, and the unknown glue used, just because the man died.
But you are right, he should might advertise me before buy it. Now I have the doubt and must burn it? I have no experience. Have contacted to other peple and seem nobody seem to know if there is some security thing to be afraid or not.
What is the key to consider it a " bucket of worms"?First things first…………go look at any glue seam on the ship………….if it’s white in color, it’s probably epoxy glue that doesn’t deteriorate!
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 15:56:57 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:57:33 AM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 14:54:53 UTC+2, jose ferreira escribió:There are wooden gliders more than 90 years old, still flying. The real issue is how it has been maintained and stored, dry-rot is the main issue + the old animal based glue, that hasn’t been used since epoxy glues arrived 50 years ago.
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 1:06:26 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:I could be flying it, but instructors say could be risky since construction started on 1993, so parts of the glider are 30 years old, so no warranty about the security, I really don´t know.
On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 3:05:18 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:Don´t know if can be supervised or restored. If anyone want one already built, I have one for sale. Have no idea what glue was used.
Hello, I have bought a motorized woodstock one. Builder started it at 1993, but he died around 2015 disease.The recommended glue was Hughs Epoxy which is white in color and does not degrade over time.
The man on the Aerodrome, had doubts about the flying security because he said he didn't know the glue was used and since its 30 years old from the start project other is no warranty about flying it secure.
Any of you have knowledge about the construction of this glider, so if could be glue degradation depending? I have no idea how to check it.
Thank you in advance.
JJ
I would be more concerned about the addition of a motor to a light weight ship. It has got to be way over gross weight. Nobody in their right mind is going to buy into that bucket of worms!
I’d remove the motor, prop, battery and instruments and sell them separately and consider burning the rest. I believe there is liability associated with selling anything with known undisclosed problems!
JJ
I don’t know anything about Experimental licensing in Spain, but in the US, there is no testing done by the government, they might try and steer you in a safe direction, but in the end, you’ll be allowed to fly anything in the Experimental
OVER design gross weight which is 205Kg (450#).Your pictures show what I’m sure is epoxy glue, the designer recommended Hughs Epoxy which is white. Anyway, let’s assume the glue is OK, because epoxy doesn’t degrade much over time! The real issue I would have is your approximately 65 Kg (143 #)You said you recently purchased the ship, I’d take it back!
JJ
Empty weight……180Kg ( your figure)
Fuel…………………..3kg
Pilot & parachute…….87Kg
Total flying weight……270 Kg
The Maxim Recommended Gross Weight is 205 Kg! Your 65 Kg (143#) over the design gross weight !
BTW, Here a Woodstock came apart in moderate wave conditions, both wings departed and the pilot was killed! The accident Report didn’t mention anything about ship being overweight or pilot flying in excess of design airspeed limits
Food for thought,
JJ
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 2:34:55 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:posible to find out if there is any risk or if there isn´t.
Can´t sent it back, too late. I asked a friend, showed a pic from the fuselage and said is Epoxy, although he say Epoxy is not white, is transparent. I have Epoxy at home for home figures and is transparent, not white.
Regarding Spain , to fly legal must pass a large time inspection to get the license, that started 8 years ago. Even you cannot change any other part, like motor, if you do it without the supervision you lost the license.
Here are two pics https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1OuTicJgLihwi6Qx_hgDPB0kDGJ7l9m_q?usp=share_link
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 21:54:23 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
NOn Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 8:31:50 AM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
Thank you. The motor weights 11 kg. The entire Woodstock is about 180kg. I think that 11kg could be the weight difference of a pilot of 80kg or another pilot.
The Woodstock was in a aerodrome for some years since 2015.Climate is quite hot and dry on the south of Spain.
The glider got the licence to fly date 2022, so I´m not sure if there existe a "known" problem, or instead just "unkown", just because the original builder died between 2015- 2018 so is not posible to ask him what glue used or not. So is not
Amateur Built category ………..solo!It´s supposed that the glider passed some resistence testing to get the goverment licence, that was 8 years ago. So legally it has the oficcial licence to fly date 2022. Is it secure? I really don´t know.
If it´s not, its supposed they should not give the glider the licence, but I don´t know how they strict evaluate experimental aircrafts.
I was just adverstised about the age of the unit, and the unknown glue used, just because the man died.
But you are right, he should might advertise me before buy it. Now I have the doubt and must burn it? I have no experience. Have contacted to other peple and seem nobody seem to know if there is some security thing to be afraid or not.
What is the key to consider it a " bucket of worms"?First things first…………go look at any glue seam on the ship………….if it’s white in color, it’s probably epoxy glue that doesn’t deteriorate!
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 15:56:57 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:57:33 AM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 14:54:53 UTC+2, jose ferreira escribió:There are wooden gliders more than 90 years old, still flying. The real issue is how it has been maintained and stored, dry-rot is the main issue + the old animal based glue, that hasn’t been used since epoxy glues arrived 50 years ago.
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 1:06:26 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:I could be flying it, but instructors say could be risky since construction started on 1993, so parts of the glider are 30 years old, so no warranty about the security, I really don´t know.
On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 3:05:18 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:Don´t know if can be supervised or restored. If anyone want one already built, I have one for sale. Have no idea what glue was used.
Hello, I have bought a motorized woodstock one. Builder started it at 1993, but he died around 2015 disease.The recommended glue was Hughs Epoxy which is white in color and does not degrade over time.
The man on the Aerodrome, had doubts about the flying security because he said he didn't know the glue was used and since its 30 years old from the start project other is no warranty about flying it secure.
Any of you have knowledge about the construction of this glider, so if could be glue degradation depending? I have no idea how to check it.
Thank you in advance.
JJ
I would be more concerned about the addition of a motor to a light weight ship. It has got to be way over gross weight. Nobody in their right mind is going to buy into that bucket of worms!
I’d remove the motor, prop, battery and instruments and sell them separately and consider burning the rest. I believe there is liability associated with selling anything with known undisclosed problems!
JJ
I don’t know anything about Experimental licensing in Spain, but in the US, there is no testing done by the government, they might try and steer you in a safe direction, but in the end, you’ll be allowed to fly anything in the Experimental
OVER design gross weight which is 205Kg (450#).Your pictures show what I’m sure is epoxy glue, the designer recommended Hughs Epoxy which is white. Anyway, let’s assume the glue is OK, because epoxy doesn’t degrade much over time! The real issue I would have is your approximately 65 Kg (143 #)You said you recently purchased the ship, I’d take it back!
JJ
Empty weight……180Kg ( your figure)
Fuel…………………..3kg
Pilot & parachute…….87Kg
Total flying weight……270 Kg
The Maxim Recommended Gross Weight is 205 Kg! Your 65 Kg (143#) over the design gross weight !
BTW, Here a Woodstock came apart in moderate wave conditions, both wings departed and the pilot was killed! The accident Report didn’t mention anything about ship being overweight or pilot flying in excess of design airspeed limits
Food for thought,
JJ
Another deail I forgot,posible to find out if there is any risk or if there isn´t.
The real owner flew the plane motorized 60 hours before get ill with provisional license, till around 2015.
Later the second owner changed the motor for another one (same or litle less weight, one cylinder instead 3), and ended the license process.
He made a video on that time. The pilot is the colaborator. Data of the video is around 2018. But the thing is that the woodstock was already motorized, so I think must be similar to the 107kg (this one is 13.2 version), maybe a little bit more.
Motor 11kg.
Balistic parachute, around 8kg
Lets consider a pilot of 70kg that should be
107+11+8+70= 196
The guy said me it had 30l for fuel on the wings, probably also lie. But anyway should be not much bandwith for fuel to fit the 205kg, should be theorical 226kg, so you are right, issues to think about
Here is the video: https://youtu.be/GLpCE_QlYk8
Thank you for your tips.
El jueves, 13 de abril de 2023 a las 1:50:07 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 2:34:55 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
Can´t sent it back, too late. I asked a friend, showed a pic from the fuselage and said is Epoxy, although he say Epoxy is not white, is transparent. I have Epoxy at home for home figures and is transparent, not white.
Regarding Spain , to fly legal must pass a large time inspection to get the license, that started 8 years ago. Even you cannot change any other part, like motor, if you do it without the supervision you lost the license.
Here are two pics https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1OuTicJgLihwi6Qx_hgDPB0kDGJ7l9m_q?usp=share_link
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 21:54:23 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
NOn Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 8:31:50 AM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
Thank you. The motor weights 11 kg. The entire Woodstock is about 180kg. I think that 11kg could be the weight difference of a pilot of 80kg or another pilot.
The Woodstock was in a aerodrome for some years since 2015.Climate is quite hot and dry on the south of Spain.
The glider got the licence to fly date 2022, so I´m not sure if there existe a "known" problem, or instead just "unkown", just because the original builder died between 2015- 2018 so is not posible to ask him what glue used or not. So is not
Amateur Built category ………..solo!It´s supposed that the glider passed some resistence testing to get the goverment licence, that was 8 years ago. So legally it has the oficcial licence to fly date 2022. Is it secure? I really don´t know.
If it´s not, its supposed they should not give the glider the licence, but I don´t know how they strict evaluate experimental aircrafts.
I was just adverstised about the age of the unit, and the unknown glue used, just because the man died.
But you are right, he should might advertise me before buy it. Now I have the doubt and must burn it? I have no experience. Have contacted to other peple and seem nobody seem to know if there is some security thing to be afraid or not.
What is the key to consider it a " bucket of worms"?First things first…………go look at any glue seam on the ship………….if it’s white in color, it’s probably epoxy glue that doesn’t deteriorate!
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 15:56:57 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:57:33 AM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 14:54:53 UTC+2, jose ferreira escribió:There are wooden gliders more than 90 years old, still flying. The real issue is how it has been maintained and stored, dry-rot is the main issue + the old animal based glue, that hasn’t been used since epoxy glues arrived 50 years ago.
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 1:06:26 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:I could be flying it, but instructors say could be risky since construction started on 1993, so parts of the glider are 30 years old, so no warranty about the security, I really don´t know.
On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 3:05:18 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:Don´t know if can be supervised or restored. If anyone want one already built, I have one for sale. Have no idea what glue was used.
Hello, I have bought a motorized woodstock one. Builder started it at 1993, but he died around 2015 disease.The recommended glue was Hughs Epoxy which is white in color and does not degrade over time.
The man on the Aerodrome, had doubts about the flying security because he said he didn't know the glue was used and since its 30 years old from the start project other is no warranty about flying it secure.
Any of you have knowledge about the construction of this glider, so if could be glue degradation depending? I have no idea how to check it.
Thank you in advance.
JJ
I would be more concerned about the addition of a motor to a light weight ship. It has got to be way over gross weight. Nobody in their right mind is going to buy into that bucket of worms!
I’d remove the motor, prop, battery and instruments and sell them separately and consider burning the rest. I believe there is liability associated with selling anything with known undisclosed problems!
JJ
I don’t know anything about Experimental licensing in Spain, but in the US, there is no testing done by the government, they might try and steer you in a safe direction, but in the end, you’ll be allowed to fly anything in the Experimental
#) OVER design gross weight which is 205Kg (450#).Your pictures show what I’m sure is epoxy glue, the designer recommended Hughs Epoxy which is white. Anyway, let’s assume the glue is OK, because epoxy doesn’t degrade much over time! The real issue I would have is your approximately 65 Kg (143You said you recently purchased the ship, I’d take it back!
JJ
Empty weight……180Kg ( your figure)
Fuel…………………..3kg
Pilot & parachute…….87Kg
Total flying weight……270 Kg
The Maxim Recommended Gross Weight is 205 Kg! Your 65 Kg (143#) over the design gross weight !
BTW, Here a Woodstock came apart in moderate wave conditions, both wings departed and the pilot was killed! The accident Report didn’t mention anything about ship being overweight or pilot flying in excess of design airspeed limits
Food for thought,
JJ
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:50:14 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:posible to find out if there is any risk or if there isn´t.
Another deail I forgot,
The real owner flew the plane motorized 60 hours before get ill with provisional license, till around 2015.
Later the second owner changed the motor for another one (same or litle less weight, one cylinder instead 3), and ended the license process.
He made a video on that time. The pilot is the colaborator. Data of the video is around 2018. But the thing is that the woodstock was already motorized, so I think must be similar to the 107kg (this one is 13.2 version), maybe a little bit more.
Motor 11kg.
Balistic parachute, around 8kg
Lets consider a pilot of 70kg that should be
107+11+8+70= 196
The guy said me it had 30l for fuel on the wings, probably also lie. But anyway should be not much bandwith for fuel to fit the 205kg, should be theorical 226kg, so you are right, issues to think about
Here is the video: https://youtu.be/GLpCE_QlYk8
Thank you for your tips.
El jueves, 13 de abril de 2023 a las 1:50:07 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 2:34:55 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
Can´t sent it back, too late. I asked a friend, showed a pic from the fuselage and said is Epoxy, although he say Epoxy is not white, is transparent. I have Epoxy at home for home figures and is transparent, not white.
Regarding Spain , to fly legal must pass a large time inspection to get the license, that started 8 years ago. Even you cannot change any other part, like motor, if you do it without the supervision you lost the license.
Here are two pics https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1OuTicJgLihwi6Qx_hgDPB0kDGJ7l9m_q?usp=share_link
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 21:54:23 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
NOn Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 8:31:50 AM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
Thank you. The motor weights 11 kg. The entire Woodstock is about 180kg. I think that 11kg could be the weight difference of a pilot of 80kg or another pilot.
The Woodstock was in a aerodrome for some years since 2015.Climate is quite hot and dry on the south of Spain.
The glider got the licence to fly date 2022, so I´m not sure if there existe a "known" problem, or instead just "unkown", just because the original builder died between 2015- 2018 so is not posible to ask him what glue used or not. So is not
Amateur Built category ………..solo!It´s supposed that the glider passed some resistence testing to get the goverment licence, that was 8 years ago. So legally it has the oficcial licence to fly date 2022. Is it secure? I really don´t know.
If it´s not, its supposed they should not give the glider the licence, but I don´t know how they strict evaluate experimental aircrafts.
I was just adverstised about the age of the unit, and the unknown glue used, just because the man died.
But you are right, he should might advertise me before buy it. Now I have the doubt and must burn it? I have no experience. Have contacted to other peple and seem nobody seem to know if there is some security thing to be afraid or not.
What is the key to consider it a " bucket of worms"?First things first…………go look at any glue seam on the ship………….if it’s white in color, it’s probably epoxy glue that doesn’t deteriorate!
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 15:56:57 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:57:33 AM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 14:54:53 UTC+2, jose ferreira escribió:There are wooden gliders more than 90 years old, still flying. The real issue is how it has been maintained and stored, dry-rot is the main issue + the old animal based glue, that hasn’t been used since epoxy glues arrived 50 years ago.
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 1:06:26 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:I could be flying it, but instructors say could be risky since construction started on 1993, so parts of the glider are 30 years old, so no warranty about the security, I really don´t know.
On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 3:05:18 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:Don´t know if can be supervised or restored. If anyone want one already built, I have one for sale. Have no idea what glue was used.
Hello, I have bought a motorized woodstock one. Builder started it at 1993, but he died around 2015 disease.The recommended glue was Hughs Epoxy which is white in color and does not degrade over time.
The man on the Aerodrome, had doubts about the flying security because he said he didn't know the glue was used and since its 30 years old from the start project other is no warranty about flying it secure.
Any of you have knowledge about the construction of this glider, so if could be glue degradation depending? I have no idea how to check it.
Thank you in advance.
JJ
I would be more concerned about the addition of a motor to a light weight ship. It has got to be way over gross weight. Nobody in their right mind is going to buy into that bucket of worms!
I’d remove the motor, prop, battery and instruments and sell them separately and consider burning the rest. I believe there is liability associated with selling anything with known undisclosed problems!
JJ
I don’t know anything about Experimental licensing in Spain, but in the US, there is no testing done by the government, they might try and steer you in a safe direction, but in the end, you’ll be allowed to fly anything in the Experimental
143 #) OVER design gross weight which is 205Kg (450#).Your pictures show what I’m sure is epoxy glue, the designer recommended Hughs Epoxy which is white. Anyway, let’s assume the glue is OK, because epoxy doesn’t degrade much over time! The real issue I would have is your approximately 65 Kg (You said you recently purchased the ship, I’d take it back!
JJ
Empty weight……180Kg ( your figure)
Fuel…………………..3kg
Pilot & parachute…….87Kg
Total flying weight……270 Kg
The Maxim Recommended Gross Weight is 205 Kg! Your 65 Kg (143#) over the design gross weight !
BTW, Here a Woodstock came apart in moderate wave conditions, both wings departed and the pilot was killed! The accident Report didn’t mention anything about ship being overweight or pilot flying in excess of design airspeed limits
There’s one more factor to ponder……….the original Woodstock was a 12 meter sailplane. The builder of your ship poked the span out to over13 + meters! If he didn’t strengthen the spar…….???Food for thought,
JJ
Over here, we have a small claims court where one can take a misrepresented sale like yours to a judge!
Good luck,
JJ
don´t understand the desire to criminalize me, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maupin_Woodstock_Oneno crime because is not sale, right? but the fly can crash over a home and kill other people.
There are 3 variants, 11.9, 12,5 and 13,1 winspan
Plans and shems are on the web. The builder registered it on the spanish aerial security from start. After years of test and official procedures got the licence from the goverment: https://www.seguridadaerea.gob.es/
If sale a aircraft the have passed all that official procedures and it´s wrong, so my goverment and the own state arerial ageny should be to judge.. not me.
Today I have beening replying from them that is categorized as microlight aircraft and can be piloted with the respective official license must be got and examined from the own agency.
Curious that you claim me going to court, while you confess there is absolute no control in your country, so anyone can fly whatever he likes? You are making a judgement wrong. Anyone on your contry can built whatever wants and fly it, and die, so is
You cannot do it here. You must have license to pilot the aircraft, the aircraft must have license, and must have accident insurance for third party cold damage.not posible to find out if there is any risk or if there isn´t.
I suppose you are on USA, and seem you feel like that, you are the law and the morality over the world where the others are criminals, while on USA anyone can carry a gun or fly anything. Ironic.
El jueves, 13 de abril de 2023 a las 16:35:09 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:50:14 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
Another deail I forgot,
The real owner flew the plane motorized 60 hours before get ill with provisional license, till around 2015.
Later the second owner changed the motor for another one (same or litle less weight, one cylinder instead 3), and ended the license process.
He made a video on that time. The pilot is the colaborator. Data of the video is around 2018. But the thing is that the woodstock was already motorized, so I think must be similar to the 107kg (this one is 13.2 version), maybe a little bit more.
Motor 11kg.
Balistic parachute, around 8kg
Lets consider a pilot of 70kg that should be
107+11+8+70= 196
The guy said me it had 30l for fuel on the wings, probably also lie. But anyway should be not much bandwith for fuel to fit the 205kg, should be theorical 226kg, so you are right, issues to think about
Here is the video: https://youtu.be/GLpCE_QlYk8
Thank you for your tips.
El jueves, 13 de abril de 2023 a las 1:50:07 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 2:34:55 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
Can´t sent it back, too late. I asked a friend, showed a pic from the fuselage and said is Epoxy, although he say Epoxy is not white, is transparent. I have Epoxy at home for home figures and is transparent, not white.
Regarding Spain , to fly legal must pass a large time inspection to get the license, that started 8 years ago. Even you cannot change any other part, like motor, if you do it without the supervision you lost the license.
Here are two pics https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1OuTicJgLihwi6Qx_hgDPB0kDGJ7l9m_q?usp=share_link
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 21:54:23 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
NOn Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 8:31:50 AM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
Thank you. The motor weights 11 kg. The entire Woodstock is about 180kg. I think that 11kg could be the weight difference of a pilot of 80kg or another pilot.
The Woodstock was in a aerodrome for some years since 2015.Climate is quite hot and dry on the south of Spain.
The glider got the licence to fly date 2022, so I´m not sure if there existe a "known" problem, or instead just "unkown", just because the original builder died between 2015- 2018 so is not posible to ask him what glue used or not. So is
Experimental Amateur Built category ………..solo!It´s supposed that the glider passed some resistence testing to get the goverment licence, that was 8 years ago. So legally it has the oficcial licence to fly date 2022. Is it secure? I really don´t know.
If it´s not, its supposed they should not give the glider the licence, but I don´t know how they strict evaluate experimental aircrafts.
I was just adverstised about the age of the unit, and the unknown glue used, just because the man died.
But you are right, he should might advertise me before buy it. Now I have the doubt and must burn it? I have no experience. Have contacted to other peple and seem nobody seem to know if there is some security thing to be afraid or not.
What is the key to consider it a " bucket of worms"?First things first…………go look at any glue seam on the ship………….if it’s white in color, it’s probably epoxy glue that doesn’t deteriorate!
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 15:56:57 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:57:33 AM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 14:54:53 UTC+2, jose ferreira escribió:There are wooden gliders more than 90 years old, still flying. The real issue is how it has been maintained and stored, dry-rot is the main issue + the old animal based glue, that hasn’t been used since epoxy glues arrived 50 years ago.
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 1:06:26 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:I could be flying it, but instructors say could be risky since construction started on 1993, so parts of the glider are 30 years old, so no warranty about the security, I really don´t know.
On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 3:05:18 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:Don´t know if can be supervised or restored. If anyone want one already built, I have one for sale. Have no idea what glue was used.
Hello, I have bought a motorized woodstock one. Builder started it at 1993, but he died around 2015 disease.The recommended glue was Hughs Epoxy which is white in color and does not degrade over time.
The man on the Aerodrome, had doubts about the flying security because he said he didn't know the glue was used and since its 30 years old from the start project other is no warranty about flying it secure.
Any of you have knowledge about the construction of this glider, so if could be glue degradation depending? I have no idea how to check it.
Thank you in advance.
JJ
I would be more concerned about the addition of a motor to a light weight ship. It has got to be way over gross weight. Nobody in their right mind is going to buy into that bucket of worms!
I’d remove the motor, prop, battery and instruments and sell them separately and consider burning the rest. I believe there is liability associated with selling anything with known undisclosed problems!
JJ
I don’t know anything about Experimental licensing in Spain, but in the US, there is no testing done by the government, they might try and steer you in a safe direction, but in the end, you’ll be allowed to fly anything in the
143 #) OVER design gross weight which is 205Kg (450#).Your pictures show what I’m sure is epoxy glue, the designer recommended Hughs Epoxy which is white. Anyway, let’s assume the glue is OK, because epoxy doesn’t degrade much over time! The real issue I would have is your approximately 65 Kg (You said you recently purchased the ship, I’d take it back!
JJ
Empty weight……180Kg ( your figure)
Fuel…………………..3kg
Pilot & parachute…….87Kg
Total flying weight……270 Kg
The Maxim Recommended Gross Weight is 205 Kg! Your 65 Kg (143#) over the design gross weight !
BTW, Here a Woodstock came apart in moderate wave conditions, both wings departed and the pilot was killed! The accident Report didn’t mention anything about ship being overweight or pilot flying in excess of design airspeed limits
There’s one more factor to ponder……….the original Woodstock was a 12 meter sailplane. The builder of your ship poked the span out to over13 + meters! If he didn’t strengthen the spar…….???Food for thought,
JJ
Over here, we have a small claims court where one can take a misrepresented sale like yours to a judge!
Good luck,
JJ
Mr. Sinclair here was trying to help you solve your problem.no crime because is not sale, right? but the fly can crash over a home and kill other people.
You don't seem to want to hear any advice. Instead to go into politics. That's nasty.
Next time don't ask for advice from people who live in a country with "absolutely no control" regarding aviation.
Dan G
On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 11:00:08 AM UTC-4, jose ferreira wrote:
don´t understand the desire to criminalize me, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maupin_Woodstock_One
There are 3 variants, 11.9, 12,5 and 13,1 winspan
Plans and shems are on the web. The builder registered it on the spanish aerial security from start. After years of test and official procedures got the licence from the goverment: https://www.seguridadaerea.gob.es/
If sale a aircraft the have passed all that official procedures and it´s wrong, so my goverment and the own state arerial ageny should be to judge.. not me.
Today I have beening replying from them that is categorized as microlight aircraft and can be piloted with the respective official license must be got and examined from the own agency.
Curious that you claim me going to court, while you confess there is absolute no control in your country, so anyone can fly whatever he likes? You are making a judgement wrong. Anyone on your contry can built whatever wants and fly it, and die, so is
not posible to find out if there is any risk or if there isn´t.You cannot do it here. You must have license to pilot the aircraft, the aircraft must have license, and must have accident insurance for third party cold damage.
I suppose you are on USA, and seem you feel like that, you are the law and the morality over the world where the others are criminals, while on USA anyone can carry a gun or fly anything. Ironic.
El jueves, 13 de abril de 2023 a las 16:35:09 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:50:14 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
Another deail I forgot,
The real owner flew the plane motorized 60 hours before get ill with provisional license, till around 2015.
Later the second owner changed the motor for another one (same or litle less weight, one cylinder instead 3), and ended the license process.
He made a video on that time. The pilot is the colaborator. Data of the video is around 2018. But the thing is that the woodstock was already motorized, so I think must be similar to the 107kg (this one is 13.2 version), maybe a little bit more.
Motor 11kg.
Balistic parachute, around 8kg
Lets consider a pilot of 70kg that should be
107+11+8+70= 196
The guy said me it had 30l for fuel on the wings, probably also lie. But anyway should be not much bandwith for fuel to fit the 205kg, should be theorical 226kg, so you are right, issues to think about
Here is the video: https://youtu.be/GLpCE_QlYk8
Thank you for your tips.
El jueves, 13 de abril de 2023 a las 1:50:07 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 2:34:55 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
Can´t sent it back, too late. I asked a friend, showed a pic from the fuselage and said is Epoxy, although he say Epoxy is not white, is transparent. I have Epoxy at home for home figures and is transparent, not white.
Regarding Spain , to fly legal must pass a large time inspection to get the license, that started 8 years ago. Even you cannot change any other part, like motor, if you do it without the supervision you lost the license.
Here are two pics https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1OuTicJgLihwi6Qx_hgDPB0kDGJ7l9m_q?usp=share_link
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 21:54:23 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
NOn Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 8:31:50 AM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
Thank you. The motor weights 11 kg. The entire Woodstock is about 180kg. I think that 11kg could be the weight difference of a pilot of 80kg or another pilot.
The Woodstock was in a aerodrome for some years since 2015.Climate is quite hot and dry on the south of Spain.
The glider got the licence to fly date 2022, so I´m not sure if there existe a "known" problem, or instead just "unkown", just because the original builder died between 2015- 2018 so is not posible to ask him what glue used or not. So is
ago.It´s supposed that the glider passed some resistence testing to get the goverment licence, that was 8 years ago. So legally it has the oficcial licence to fly date 2022. Is it secure? I really don´t know.
If it´s not, its supposed they should not give the glider the licence, but I don´t know how they strict evaluate experimental aircrafts.
I was just adverstised about the age of the unit, and the unknown glue used, just because the man died.
But you are right, he should might advertise me before buy it. Now I have the doubt and must burn it? I have no experience. Have contacted to other peple and seem nobody seem to know if there is some security thing to be afraid or not.
What is the key to consider it a " bucket of worms"?
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 15:56:57 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:57:33 AM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 14:54:53 UTC+2, jose ferreira escribió:There are wooden gliders more than 90 years old, still flying. The real issue is how it has been maintained and stored, dry-rot is the main issue + the old animal based glue, that hasn’t been used since epoxy glues arrived 50 years
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 1:06:26 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:I could be flying it, but instructors say could be risky since construction started on 1993, so parts of the glider are 30 years old, so no warranty about the security, I really don´t know.
On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 3:05:18 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:Don´t know if can be supervised or restored. If anyone want one already built, I have one for sale. Have no idea what glue was used.
Hello, I have bought a motorized woodstock one. Builder started it at 1993, but he died around 2015 disease.The recommended glue was Hughs Epoxy which is white in color and does not degrade over time.
The man on the Aerodrome, had doubts about the flying security because he said he didn't know the glue was used and since its 30 years old from the start project other is no warranty about flying it secure.
Any of you have knowledge about the construction of this glider, so if could be glue degradation depending? I have no idea how to check it.
Thank you in advance.
JJ
Experimental Amateur Built category ………..solo!First things first…………go look at any glue seam on the ship………….if it’s white in color, it’s probably epoxy glue that doesn’t deteriorate!I would be more concerned about the addition of a motor to a light weight ship. It has got to be way over gross weight. Nobody in their right mind is going to buy into that bucket of worms!
I’d remove the motor, prop, battery and instruments and sell them separately and consider burning the rest. I believe there is liability associated with selling anything with known undisclosed problems!
JJ
I don’t know anything about Experimental licensing in Spain, but in the US, there is no testing done by the government, they might try and steer you in a safe direction, but in the end, you’ll be allowed to fly anything in the
Kg (143 #) OVER design gross weight which is 205Kg (450#).Your pictures show what I’m sure is epoxy glue, the designer recommended Hughs Epoxy which is white. Anyway, let’s assume the glue is OK, because epoxy doesn’t degrade much over time! The real issue I would have is your approximately 65You said you recently purchased the ship, I’d take it back!
JJ
Empty weight……180Kg ( your figure) Fuel…………………..3kg
Pilot & parachute…….87Kg
Total flying weight……270 Kg
The Maxim Recommended Gross Weight is 205 Kg! Your 65 Kg (143#) over the design gross weight !
BTW, Here a Woodstock came apart in moderate wave conditions, both wings departed and the pilot was killed! The accident Report didn’t mention anything about ship being overweight or pilot flying in excess of design airspeed limits
There’s one more factor to ponder……….the original Woodstock was a 12 meter sailplane. The builder of your ship poked the span out to over13 + meters! If he didn’t strengthen the spar…….???Food for thought,
JJ
Over here, we have a small claims court where one can take a misrepresented sale like yours to a judge!
Good luck,
JJ
I think this is just a question of misunderstanding each other's languages.Still don´t know why. The only "suspect" was about the "glue" used by the man who built it, and two persons said me was Epoxy.
I think I read Mr. Ferreira saying that the man who sold the glider to
him told him lies about the condition of the glider.
Mr. Sinclair said that, in this country (USA) we have small claims court where an injured party, Mr Ferreira, can have a judge award him justice
in the form of compensation.
I think Mr Ferreira misunderstood Mr Sinclair thinking he had been
accused of some wrong doing. That was not the case.
And, for the record, rec.aviation.soaring, also known as RAS, is not a google group. Google just picked it up.
Dan
5J
On 4/14/23 10:34, jose ferreira wrote:
First, I didn´t know this google group owned by an specific contry. Second, I didn´t said, even I didn´t know about the control there. He said it, not me.
I just asked if any knowledge about glue. I received same feedback from Sinclair and a guy here. Both say it´s epoxy, so ok, thank you.
I was blamed several times. First, bucket of worms, I should burn it, then the motor should be removed, then its not ok because 13.1 (there are three variants winspan).., whatever I said, the advice is I should be going to court for selling this.
the investigation arrived to a conclusion of the glue used sometimes. They don´t know what serial number used that less good glue, date. Next day I was searching about gliders schools here in Spain and saw that one of that have a ASK 13, so I emailedIn the other hand, I asked a glider school on Spain and reported me an story of a Schleicher ASK 13 model. A well known recognized glider manufacturer in Germany. Seems that, this model ASK 13 with 40 or 50 years old, have some accidents. He said me
is no crime because is not sale, right? but the fly can crash over a home and kill other people.El viernes, 14 de abril de 2023 a las 17:57:22 UTC+2, Dan Goldman escribió:
Mr. Sinclair here was trying to help you solve your problem.
You don't seem to want to hear any advice. Instead to go into politics. That's nasty.
Next time don't ask for advice from people who live in a country with "absolutely no control" regarding aviation.
Dan G
On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 11:00:08 AM UTC-4, jose ferreira wrote: >>> don´t understand the desire to criminalize me,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maupin_Woodstock_One
There are 3 variants, 11.9, 12,5 and 13,1 winspan
Plans and shems are on the web. The builder registered it on the spanish aerial security from start. After years of test and official procedures got the licence from the goverment: https://www.seguridadaerea.gob.es/
If sale a aircraft the have passed all that official procedures and it´s wrong, so my goverment and the own state arerial ageny should be to judge.. not me.
Today I have beening replying from them that is categorized as microlight aircraft and can be piloted with the respective official license must be got and examined from the own agency.
Curious that you claim me going to court, while you confess there is absolute no control in your country, so anyone can fly whatever he likes? You are making a judgement wrong. Anyone on your contry can built whatever wants and fly it, and die, so
posible to find out if there is any risk or if there isn´t.You cannot do it here. You must have license to pilot the aircraft, the aircraft must have license, and must have accident insurance for third party cold damage.
I suppose you are on USA, and seem you feel like that, you are the law and the morality over the world where the others are criminals, while on USA anyone can carry a gun or fly anything. Ironic.
El jueves, 13 de abril de 2023 a las 16:35:09 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:50:14 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
Another deail I forgot,
The real owner flew the plane motorized 60 hours before get ill with provisional license, till around 2015.
Later the second owner changed the motor for another one (same or litle less weight, one cylinder instead 3), and ended the license process.
He made a video on that time. The pilot is the colaborator. Data of the video is around 2018. But the thing is that the woodstock was already motorized, so I think must be similar to the 107kg (this one is 13.2 version), maybe a little bit more.
Motor 11kg.
Balistic parachute, around 8kg
Lets consider a pilot of 70kg that should be
107+11+8+70= 196
The guy said me it had 30l for fuel on the wings, probably also lie. But anyway should be not much bandwith for fuel to fit the 205kg, should be theorical 226kg, so you are right, issues to think about
Here is the video: https://youtu.be/GLpCE_QlYk8
Thank you for your tips.
El jueves, 13 de abril de 2023 a las 1:50:07 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 2:34:55 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
Can´t sent it back, too late. I asked a friend, showed a pic from the fuselage and said is Epoxy, although he say Epoxy is not white, is transparent. I have Epoxy at home for home figures and is transparent, not white.
Regarding Spain , to fly legal must pass a large time inspection to get the license, that started 8 years ago. Even you cannot change any other part, like motor, if you do it without the supervision you lost the license.
Here are two pics https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1OuTicJgLihwi6Qx_hgDPB0kDGJ7l9m_q?usp=share_link
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 21:54:23 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
NOn Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 8:31:50 AM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
Thank you. The motor weights 11 kg. The entire Woodstock is about 180kg. I think that 11kg could be the weight difference of a pilot of 80kg or another pilot.
The Woodstock was in a aerodrome for some years since 2015.Climate is quite hot and dry on the south of Spain.
The glider got the licence to fly date 2022, so I´m not sure if there existe a "known" problem, or instead just "unkown", just because the original builder died between 2015- 2018 so is not posible to ask him what glue used or not. So is not
Amateur Built category ………..solo!First things first…………go look at any glue seam on the ship………….if it’s white in color, it’s probably epoxy glue that doesn’t deteriorate!
It´s supposed that the glider passed some resistence testing to get the goverment licence, that was 8 years ago. So legally it has the oficcial licence to fly date 2022. Is it secure? I really don´t know.
If it´s not, its supposed they should not give the glider the licence, but I don´t know how they strict evaluate experimental aircrafts.
I was just adverstised about the age of the unit, and the unknown glue used, just because the man died.
But you are right, he should might advertise me before buy it. Now I have the doubt and must burn it? I have no experience. Have contacted to other peple and seem nobody seem to know if there is some security thing to be afraid or not.
What is the key to consider it a " bucket of worms"?
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 15:56:57 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:57:33 AM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 14:54:53 UTC+2, jose ferreira escribió:There are wooden gliders more than 90 years old, still flying. The real issue is how it has been maintained and stored, dry-rot is the main issue + the old animal based glue, that hasn’t been used since epoxy glues arrived 50 years ago.
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 1:06:26 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:I could be flying it, but instructors say could be risky since construction started on 1993, so parts of the glider are 30 years old, so no warranty about the security, I really don´t know.
On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 3:05:18 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:Don´t know if can be supervised or restored. If anyone want one already built, I have one for sale. Have no idea what glue was used.
Hello, I have bought a motorized woodstock one. Builder started it at 1993, but he died around 2015 disease.The recommended glue was Hughs Epoxy which is white in color and does not degrade over time.
The man on the Aerodrome, had doubts about the flying security because he said he didn't know the glue was used and since its 30 years old from the start project other is no warranty about flying it secure.
Any of you have knowledge about the construction of this glider, so if could be glue degradation depending? I have no idea how to check it.
Thank you in advance.
JJ
I would be more concerned about the addition of a motor to a light weight ship. It has got to be way over gross weight. Nobody in their right mind is going to buy into that bucket of worms!
I’d remove the motor, prop, battery and instruments and sell them separately and consider burning the rest. I believe there is liability associated with selling anything with known undisclosed problems!
JJ
I don’t know anything about Experimental licensing in Spain, but in the US, there is no testing done by the government, they might try and steer you in a safe direction, but in the end, you’ll be allowed to fly anything in the Experimental
(143 #) OVER design gross weight which is 205Kg (450#).Your pictures show what I’m sure is epoxy glue, the designer recommended Hughs Epoxy which is white. Anyway, let’s assume the glue is OK, because epoxy doesn’t degrade much over time! The real issue I would have is your approximately 65 Kg
You said you recently purchased the ship, I’d take it back! >>>>>>>> JJ
There’s one more factor to ponder……….the original Woodstock was a 12 meter sailplane. The builder of your ship poked the span out to over13 + meters! If he didn’t strengthen the spar…….???Empty weight……180Kg ( your figure)
Fuel…………………..3kg
Pilot & parachute…….87Kg
Total flying weight……270 Kg
The Maxim Recommended Gross Weight is 205 Kg! Your 65 Kg (143#) over the design gross weight !
BTW, Here a Woodstock came apart in moderate wave conditions, both wings departed and the pilot was killed! The accident Report didn’t mention anything about ship being overweight or pilot flying in excess of design airspeed limits
Food for thought,
JJ
Over here, we have a small claims court where one can take a misrepresented sale like yours to a judge!
Good luck,
JJ
Aviation is complicated and expensive.
I think this is just a question of misunderstanding each other's languages.Still don´t know why. The only "suspect" was about the "glue" used by the man who built it, and two persons said me was Epoxy.
I think I read Mr. Ferreira saying that the man who sold the glider to
him told him lies about the condition of the glider.
Mr. Sinclair said that, in this country (USA) we have small claims court where an injured party, Mr Ferreira, can have a judge award him justice
in the form of compensation.
I think Mr Ferreira misunderstood Mr Sinclair thinking he had been
accused of some wrong doing. That was not the case.
And, for the record, rec.aviation.soaring, also known as RAS, is not a google group. Google just picked it up.
Dan
5J
On 4/14/23 10:34, jose ferreira wrote:
First, I didn´t know this google group owned by an specific contry. Second, I didn´t said, even I didn´t know about the control there. He said it, not me.
I just asked if any knowledge about glue. I received same feedback from Sinclair and a guy here. Both say it´s epoxy, so ok, thank you.
I was blamed several times. First, bucket of worms, I should burn it, then the motor should be removed, then its not ok because 13.1 (there are three variants winspan).., whatever I said, the advice is I should be going to court for selling this.
the investigation arrived to a conclusion of the glue used sometimes. They don´t know what serial number used that less good glue, date. Next day I was searching about gliders schools here in Spain and saw that one of that have a ASK 13, so I emailedIn the other hand, I asked a glider school on Spain and reported me an story of a Schleicher ASK 13 model. A well known recognized glider manufacturer in Germany. Seems that, this model ASK 13 with 40 or 50 years old, have some accidents. He said me
is no crime because is not sale, right? but the fly can crash over a home and kill other people.El viernes, 14 de abril de 2023 a las 17:57:22 UTC+2, Dan Goldman escribió:
Mr. Sinclair here was trying to help you solve your problem.
You don't seem to want to hear any advice. Instead to go into politics. That's nasty.
Next time don't ask for advice from people who live in a country with "absolutely no control" regarding aviation.
Dan G
On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 11:00:08 AM UTC-4, jose ferreira wrote: >>> don´t understand the desire to criminalize me,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maupin_Woodstock_One
There are 3 variants, 11.9, 12,5 and 13,1 winspan
Plans and shems are on the web. The builder registered it on the spanish aerial security from start. After years of test and official procedures got the licence from the goverment: https://www.seguridadaerea.gob.es/
If sale a aircraft the have passed all that official procedures and it´s wrong, so my goverment and the own state arerial ageny should be to judge.. not me.
Today I have beening replying from them that is categorized as microlight aircraft and can be piloted with the respective official license must be got and examined from the own agency.
Curious that you claim me going to court, while you confess there is absolute no control in your country, so anyone can fly whatever he likes? You are making a judgement wrong. Anyone on your contry can built whatever wants and fly it, and die, so
posible to find out if there is any risk or if there isn´t.You cannot do it here. You must have license to pilot the aircraft, the aircraft must have license, and must have accident insurance for third party cold damage.
I suppose you are on USA, and seem you feel like that, you are the law and the morality over the world where the others are criminals, while on USA anyone can carry a gun or fly anything. Ironic.
El jueves, 13 de abril de 2023 a las 16:35:09 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:50:14 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
Another deail I forgot,
The real owner flew the plane motorized 60 hours before get ill with provisional license, till around 2015.
Later the second owner changed the motor for another one (same or litle less weight, one cylinder instead 3), and ended the license process.
He made a video on that time. The pilot is the colaborator. Data of the video is around 2018. But the thing is that the woodstock was already motorized, so I think must be similar to the 107kg (this one is 13.2 version), maybe a little bit more.
Motor 11kg.
Balistic parachute, around 8kg
Lets consider a pilot of 70kg that should be
107+11+8+70= 196
The guy said me it had 30l for fuel on the wings, probably also lie. But anyway should be not much bandwith for fuel to fit the 205kg, should be theorical 226kg, so you are right, issues to think about
Here is the video: https://youtu.be/GLpCE_QlYk8
Thank you for your tips.
El jueves, 13 de abril de 2023 a las 1:50:07 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 2:34:55 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
Can´t sent it back, too late. I asked a friend, showed a pic from the fuselage and said is Epoxy, although he say Epoxy is not white, is transparent. I have Epoxy at home for home figures and is transparent, not white.
Regarding Spain , to fly legal must pass a large time inspection to get the license, that started 8 years ago. Even you cannot change any other part, like motor, if you do it without the supervision you lost the license.
Here are two pics https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1OuTicJgLihwi6Qx_hgDPB0kDGJ7l9m_q?usp=share_link
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 21:54:23 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
NOn Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 8:31:50 AM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
Thank you. The motor weights 11 kg. The entire Woodstock is about 180kg. I think that 11kg could be the weight difference of a pilot of 80kg or another pilot.
The Woodstock was in a aerodrome for some years since 2015.Climate is quite hot and dry on the south of Spain.
The glider got the licence to fly date 2022, so I´m not sure if there existe a "known" problem, or instead just "unkown", just because the original builder died between 2015- 2018 so is not posible to ask him what glue used or not. So is not
Amateur Built category ………..solo!First things first…………go look at any glue seam on the ship………….if it’s white in color, it’s probably epoxy glue that doesn’t deteriorate!
It´s supposed that the glider passed some resistence testing to get the goverment licence, that was 8 years ago. So legally it has the oficcial licence to fly date 2022. Is it secure? I really don´t know.
If it´s not, its supposed they should not give the glider the licence, but I don´t know how they strict evaluate experimental aircrafts.
I was just adverstised about the age of the unit, and the unknown glue used, just because the man died.
But you are right, he should might advertise me before buy it. Now I have the doubt and must burn it? I have no experience. Have contacted to other peple and seem nobody seem to know if there is some security thing to be afraid or not.
What is the key to consider it a " bucket of worms"?
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 15:56:57 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:57:33 AM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 14:54:53 UTC+2, jose ferreira escribió:There are wooden gliders more than 90 years old, still flying. The real issue is how it has been maintained and stored, dry-rot is the main issue + the old animal based glue, that hasn’t been used since epoxy glues arrived 50 years ago.
El miércoles, 12 de abril de 2023 a las 1:06:26 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:I could be flying it, but instructors say could be risky since construction started on 1993, so parts of the glider are 30 years old, so no warranty about the security, I really don´t know.
On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 3:05:18 PM UTC-7, jose ferreira wrote:Don´t know if can be supervised or restored. If anyone want one already built, I have one for sale. Have no idea what glue was used.
Hello, I have bought a motorized woodstock one. Builder started it at 1993, but he died around 2015 disease.The recommended glue was Hughs Epoxy which is white in color and does not degrade over time.
The man on the Aerodrome, had doubts about the flying security because he said he didn't know the glue was used and since its 30 years old from the start project other is no warranty about flying it secure.
Any of you have knowledge about the construction of this glider, so if could be glue degradation depending? I have no idea how to check it.
Thank you in advance.
JJ
I would be more concerned about the addition of a motor to a light weight ship. It has got to be way over gross weight. Nobody in their right mind is going to buy into that bucket of worms!
I’d remove the motor, prop, battery and instruments and sell them separately and consider burning the rest. I believe there is liability associated with selling anything with known undisclosed problems!
JJ
I don’t know anything about Experimental licensing in Spain, but in the US, there is no testing done by the government, they might try and steer you in a safe direction, but in the end, you’ll be allowed to fly anything in the Experimental
(143 #) OVER design gross weight which is 205Kg (450#).Your pictures show what I’m sure is epoxy glue, the designer recommended Hughs Epoxy which is white. Anyway, let’s assume the glue is OK, because epoxy doesn’t degrade much over time! The real issue I would have is your approximately 65 Kg
You said you recently purchased the ship, I’d take it back! >>>>>>>> JJ
Thank you Dan for a succinct explanation of the confusion of this thread.There’s one more factor to ponder……….the original Woodstock was a 12 meter sailplane. The builder of your ship poked the span out to over13 + meters! If he didn’t strengthen the spar…….???Empty weight……180Kg ( your figure)
Fuel…………………..3kg
Pilot & parachute…….87Kg
Total flying weight……270 Kg
The Maxim Recommended Gross Weight is 205 Kg! Your 65 Kg (143#) over the design gross weight !
BTW, Here a Woodstock came apart in moderate wave conditions, both wings departed and the pilot was killed! The accident Report didn’t mention anything about ship being overweight or pilot flying in excess of design airspeed limits
Food for thought,
JJ
Over here, we have a small claims court where one can take a misrepresented sale like yours to a judge!
Good luck,
JJ
I think this is just a question of misunderstanding each other's
languages.
I think I read Mr. Ferreira saying that the man who sold the glider to him
told him lies about the condition of the glider.
Mr. Sinclair said that, in this country (USA) we have small claims court where an injured party, Mr Ferreira, can have a judge award him justice in the form of compensation.
I think Mr Ferreira misunderstood Mr Sinclair thinking he had been accused
of some wrong doing. That was not the case.
And, for the record, rec.aviation.soaring, also known as RAS, is not a
google group. Google just picked it up.
Dan 5J
On 4/14/2023 11:35 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
I think this is just a question of misunderstanding each other's languages.
I think I read Mr. Ferreira saying that the man who sold the glider to him told him lies about the condition of the glider.
Mr. Sinclair said that, in this country (USA) we have small claims court where an injured party, Mr Ferreira, can have a judge award him justice in the form of compensation.
I think Mr Ferreira misunderstood Mr Sinclair thinking he had been accused of some wrong doing. That was not the case.
And, for the record, rec.aviation.soaring, also known as RAS, is not a google group. Google just picked it up.
Dan 5JExcellent summary by Dan M. It exactly matches my sense of "where & how this RAS discussion has gone..."
It's true aviation is technical...as are airplanes/sailplanes/etc. Things quickly can get complicated, as Mr. Ferreira is learning to his dismay. Get things wrong and it's easy to kill yourself.
That noted, I'm mildly surprised no one has yet mentioned to Mr. Ferreira the
ancient aviation industry axiom: One test is worth 10,000 considered opinions.
It would be complicated to properly do, but a proof-load-test of wings of the
Woodstock in question would be highly instructive, while simultaneously generating Real World Data - and maybe even some peace of mind.
Good luck going forward!
Bob W.
My wife don´t like me to fly anything.
My wife don´t like me to fly anything.Maybe you should listen to your wife!
JJ
Happy wife, happy life!
On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 7:44:41 PM UTC-7, John Sinclair wrote:
My wife don´t like me to fly anything.Maybe you should listen to your wife!
JJ
On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 10:40:59 PM UTC-7, Haven wrote:value, but not in its present form. Recommend you remove the motor, prop, fuel tank and ballistic parachute and sell them. A complete engine system should bring at least $1000 bucks and ballistic parachutes sell for several thousand.
Happy wife, happy life!Jose,
On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 7:44:41 PM UTC-7, John Sinclair wrote:
My wife don´t like me to fly anything.Maybe you should listen to your wife!
JJ
I’ll bet your instructors telling you that the glue was unsafe was his way of telling you that your not ready to handle this machine! Your Woodstock is no longer a glider. Due to weight gain it is now an underpowered airplane with one wheel! It has
Next, replace the nose cone and you now have a standard Woodstock again. With trailer and instruments it should sell for approximately $6000.
Aviation, may not be for you, but if you continue to peruse it, go slow and listen to your instructor!
Good luck,
JJ
You all have reason. I´ll was happier before just playing my guitars and other instruments I have around.a good idea on USA could pay for a true Woodstock, but not here.
I have in on sale locally as it is. If any offer even low I´ll sale it, and if no interested I´ll donate it.
Regarding taking out the motor, may should be a good idea on USA. Here the Woodstock is unknown, even was glider only. People here go for known brand machines, or known experimental kits. There are lots of similar motors on sale aswell. That should be
Yes is underpowered, but still not that weight. 11kg motor, can be easy difference between a pilot weight or other. But that happens to any other motorglider.comparing).
One of the glider school here have a Dimona H36 as motor glider. It weights 497kg, stall speed 72km/h.
Even considering the actual Woodstock with motor,30l fuel and parachute, that should be 159kg, and it lands at real 63km/h ( I measured it from the video, from a know distance from two points of the aerodrome).
Motor gliders like the H36 a two-seat, and 80hp 4x the woodstock power but also near 4x the woodstock weight, so may be ugly because of the motor visible and no aerodinamic but maybe not that unbalanced. (My thoughts from my no experience, just
In adition, here in Spain, is an effort to get the license to fly. It got it as it is now. So if anyone wants to reconvert it on a glider, or electric glider or anything else.. will be not me. I just want no complicate my life and stop of wasting money.
Thank you all for your advices.value, but not in its present form. Recommend you remove the motor, prop, fuel tank and ballistic parachute and sell them. A complete engine system should bring at least $1000 bucks and ballistic parachutes sell for several thousand.
El sábado, 15 de abril de 2023 a las 16:38:59 UTC+2, John Sinclair escribió:
On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 10:40:59 PM UTC-7, Haven wrote:
Happy wife, happy life!Jose,
On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 7:44:41 PM UTC-7, John Sinclair wrote:
My wife don´t like me to fly anything.Maybe you should listen to your wife!
JJ
I’ll bet your instructors telling you that the glue was unsafe was his way of telling you that your not ready to handle this machine! Your Woodstock is no longer a glider. Due to weight gain it is now an underpowered airplane with one wheel! It has
Next, replace the nose cone and you now have a standard Woodstock again. With trailer and instruments it should sell for approximately $6000.
Aviation, may not be for you, but if you continue to peruse it, go slow and listen to your instructor!
Good luck,
JJ
Hello Group.
I'm the OP from this thread.
I see some people on here need plans?
I have the original plans and the longer wing plans too, message me, I'll just need a bit of time to archive them.
Allot of time has gone by, but finally ready to build this thing.
A friend also expressed interest in the glider.
Asking for a friend, does anyone know if it's possible to buy another Serial Number?
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 6:58:19 AM UTC-6, Rodney Dangerfield wrote:
Hello Group.
I'm the OP from this thread.
I see some people on here need plans?
I have the original plans and the longer wing plans too, message me, I'll just need a bit of time to archive them.
Allot of time has gone by, but finally ready to build this thing.
A friend also expressed interest in the glider.
Asking for a friend, does anyone know if it's possible to buy another Serial Number?
I have been trying to get a set of the longer wing plans, but since it didn't go well I sort of dropped it.
I don't think you can get serial numbers any longer and the original plans are now in the public domain. I am happy to provide scanning services (I have a full size 42" wide scanner at my office) if you wanted to have the plans scanned.
As to serial numbers - If you build an aircraft, you can call it "John
Smith Glider S/N 001", if you want.
Dan
5J
On 10/2/23 11:23, Capt.Stephan Bradley wrote:
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 6:58:19 AM UTC-6, Rodney Dangerfield wrote:
Hello Group.
I'm the OP from this thread.
I see some people on here need plans?
I have the original plans and the longer wing plans too, message me, I'll just need a bit of time to archive them.
Allot of time has gone by, but finally ready to build this thing.
A friend also expressed interest in the glider.
Asking for a friend, does anyone know if it's possible to buy another Serial Number?
I have been trying to get a set of the longer wing plans, but since it didn't go well I sort of dropped it.
I don't think you can get serial numbers any longer and the original plans are now in the public domain. I am happy to provide scanning services (I have a full size 42" wide scanner at my office) if you wanted to have the plans scanned.
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 6:58:19 AM UTC-6, Rodney Dangerfield wrote:
Hello Group.
I'm the OP from this thread.
I see some people on here need plans?
I have the original plans and the longer wing plans too, message me, I'll just need a bit of time to archive them.
Allot of time has gone by, but finally ready to build this thing.
A friend also expressed interest in the glider.
Asking for a friend, does anyone know if it's possible to buy another Serial Number?I have been trying to get a set of the longer wing plans, but since it didn't go well I sort of dropped it.
I don't think you can get serial numbers any longer and the original plans are now in the public domain. I am happy to provide scanning services (I have a full size 42" wide scanner at my office) if you wanted to have the plans scanned.
Thanks, but I have them already scanned from back in 2008, also translated to Autocad at that time.
I volunteer at an Air Cadet Squadron, we are thinking of building this now. Kids learn allot then we can auction it off (or keep) for the glider pilots.
Hello Group.
I'm the OP from this thread.
I see some people on here need plans?
I have the original plans and the longer wing plans too, message me, I'll just need a bit of time to archive them.
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