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Cheers,
...david
Another day demonstrating the 915 Tug, this time at North Hill. Towing was up hill with light cross or tailwind, DG505 was largest available to tow. Club Pawnee achieved 600 ft min max, Eurofox with 2 in the tug achieved between 700 and 900 ft min.
Ground run same with both tugs.
A couple of single seaters towed at 1200 ft min.
Eurofox 915 did 10 tows to an average of 1400 feet due to cloud base, most with 2 in tug, 19.1 litres used
Video shows 268hp Pawnee and 915 Eurofox, towing on the same day, same glider, same pilots. Eurofox up and away quicker and higher at the end of the runway
https://eurofoxaviation.co.uk/eurofox-glider-tug-141-hp
That is some really good stuff! Too bad we can't use them for towing in
the US. At least, not yet...
Dan
5J
On 1/26/23 07:27, son_of_flubber wrote:
https://eurofoxaviation.co.uk/eurofox-glider-tug-141-hp
On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 10:20:26 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:DSM-5, not at all impressed with the video, I did see areas of concern, since you do not tow I doubt that you would recognize the marginal performance portions of the video. Usually when people do these types of video's they make sure that the conditions
That is some really good stuff! Too bad we can't use them for towing in the US. At least, not yet...
Dan
5J
On 1/26/23 07:27, son_of_flubber wrote:
https://eurofoxaviation.co.uk/eurofox-glider-tug-141-hp
PottyMouth is strangely silent about this video proof!
Tom
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 1:51:46 AM UTC-5, 2G wrote:conditions are perfect to give the desired results. Not having that option changes the game significantly. My observation is that when a motorglider guy sees a motorglider do a tow they think it is the best thing since sliced bread, just another huzzah
DSM-5, not at all impressed with the video, I did see areas of concern, since you do not tow I doubt that you would recognize the marginal performance portions of the video. Usually when people do these types of video's they make sure that the
I would like to compare that motorglider to the trusted old Pawnee after 5 years of doing 1300 tows a year, what you non-towing guys seem not to realize is that there is no substitute for power. In the mean time I will anxiously awaiting to see aPhoenix towing at a contest event. Old Bob, The Purist and Tow Pilot
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 9:03:07 AM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:conditions are perfect to give the desired results. Not having that option changes the game significantly. My observation is that when a motorglider guy sees a motorglider do a tow they think it is the best thing since sliced bread, just another huzzah
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 1:51:46 AM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
DSM-5, not at all impressed with the video, I did see areas of concern, since you do not tow I doubt that you would recognize the marginal performance portions of the video. Usually when people do these types of video's they make sure that the
Phoenix towing at a contest event. Old Bob, The Purist and Tow PilotI would like to compare that motorglider to the trusted old Pawnee after 5 years of doing 1300 tows a year, what you non-towing guys seem not to realize is that there is no substitute for power. In the mean time I will anxiously awaiting to see a
Bob,should be advocating for the approvals needed to tow with LSA, even if our own clubs have no such need or interest.
You are certainly right. The Eurofox is not as capable as a Pawnee, but it is very good, and it might be a financial savior for a struggling club. To the extent that we think that high costs are a contributor to the decline of soaring in the US, we
Note that the Eurofox is not a motor glider, and the conditions in that video were NOT ideal. The text says uphill with a light tailwind and a second pilot in the tow plane. I'm not a power pilot, but I am willing to believe that when the tug sheds 800lbs the power requirements go down, too.
Cheers,I have been a tug pilot since 1986 (and glider pilot since 1977) and have towed with Pawnees,
...david
On Friday, 27 January 2023 at 15:31:23 UTC, david.s....@gmail.com wrote:conditions are perfect to give the desired results. Not having that option changes the game significantly. My observation is that when a motorglider guy sees a motorglider do a tow they think it is the best thing since sliced bread, just another huzzah
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 9:03:07 AM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 1:51:46 AM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
DSM-5, not at all impressed with the video, I did see areas of concern, since you do not tow I doubt that you would recognize the marginal performance portions of the video. Usually when people do these types of video's they make sure that the
Phoenix towing at a contest event. Old Bob, The Purist and Tow PilotI would like to compare that motorglider to the trusted old Pawnee after 5 years of doing 1300 tows a year, what you non-towing guys seem not to realize is that there is no substitute for power. In the mean time I will anxiously awaiting to see a
should be advocating for the approvals needed to tow with LSA, even if our own clubs have no such need or interest.Bob,
You are certainly right. The Eurofox is not as capable as a Pawnee, but it is very good, and it might be a financial savior for a struggling club. To the extent that we think that high costs are a contributor to the decline of soaring in the US, we
800 lbs the power requirements go down, too.Note that the Eurofox is not a motor glider, and the conditions in that video were NOT ideal. The text says uphill with a light tailwind and a second pilot in the tow plane. I'm not a power pilot, but I am willing to believe that when the tug sheds
the lower powered Eurofoxes but I was tugmaster at the UK Open/Std and 15m Nationals last year, operating seven tugs, one of which was a 915 Eurofox and I was mightily impressed! I watched it towing fully loaded Arcuses and JS1s, quite effortlessly, andCheers,I have been a tug pilot since 1986 (and glider pilot since 1977) and have towed with Pawnees,
...david
Bellanca Scout, 180 and 150 Cubs, 180 Chipmunks and a few other types, including the 912 and 914 Eurofoxes. I have also towed at lots of competitions, and so I think I'm qualified to give an opinion on the merits of different tugs. I was never a fan of
Ian
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 1:51:46 AM UTC-5, 2G wrote:conditions are perfect to give the desired results. Not having that option changes the game significantly. My observation is that when a motorglider guy sees a motorglider do a tow they think it is the best thing since sliced bread, just another huzzah
On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 10:20:26 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
That is some really good stuff! Too bad we can't use them for towing in the US. At least, not yet...
Dan
5J
On 1/26/23 07:27, son_of_flubber wrote:
https://eurofoxaviation.co.uk/eurofox-glider-tug-141-hp
PottyMouth is strangely silent about this video proof!
TomDSM-5, not at all impressed with the video, I did see areas of concern, since you do not tow I doubt that you would recognize the marginal performance portions of the video. Usually when people do these types of video's they make sure that the
I would like to compare that motorglider to the trusted old Pawnee after 5 years of doing 1300 tows a year, what you non-towing guys seem not to realize is that there is no substitute for power. In the mean time I will anxiously awaiting to see aPhoenix towing at a contest event. Old Bob, The Purist and Tow Pilot
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 9:03:07 AM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:conditions are perfect to give the desired results. Not having that option changes the game significantly. My observation is that when a motorglider guy sees a motorglider do a tow they think it is the best thing since sliced bread, just another huzzah
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 1:51:46 AM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
DSM-5, not at all impressed with the video, I did see areas of concern, since you do not tow I doubt that you would recognize the marginal performance portions of the video. Usually when people do these types of video's they make sure that the
Phoenix towing at a contest event. Old Bob, The Purist and Tow PilotI would like to compare that motorglider to the trusted old Pawnee after 5 years of doing 1300 tows a year, what you non-towing guys seem not to realize is that there is no substitute for power. In the mean time I will anxiously awaiting to see a
Bob,should be advocating for the approvals needed to tow with LSA, even if our own clubs have no such need or interest.
You are certainly right. The Eurofox is not as capable as a Pawnee, but it is very good, and it might be a financial savior for a struggling club. To the extent that we think that high costs are a contributor to the decline of soaring in the US, we
Note that the Eurofox is not a motor glider, and the conditions in that video were NOT ideal. The text says uphill with a light tailwind and a second pilot in the tow plane. I'm not a power pilot, but I am willing to believe that when the tug sheds800 lbs the power requirements go down, too.
Cheers,
...david
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 1:51:46 AM UTC-5, 2G wrote:conditions are perfect to give the desired results. Not having that option changes the game significantly. My observation is that when a motorglider guy sees a motorglider do a tow they think it is the best thing since sliced bread, just another huzzah
On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 10:20:26 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
That is some really good stuff! Too bad we can't use them for towing in the US. At least, not yet...
Dan
5J
On 1/26/23 07:27, son_of_flubber wrote:
https://eurofoxaviation.co.uk/eurofox-glider-tug-141-hp
PottyMouth is strangely silent about this video proof!
TomDSM-5, not at all impressed with the video, I did see areas of concern, since you do not tow I doubt that you would recognize the marginal performance portions of the video. Usually when people do these types of video's they make sure that the
I would like to compare that motorglider to the trusted old Pawnee after 5 years of doing 1300 tows a year, what you non-towing guys seem not to realize is that there is no substitute for power. In the mean time I will anxiously awaiting to see aPhoenix towing at a contest event. Old Bob, The Purist and Tow Pilot
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 10:36:27 AM UTC-6, ian.la...@btinternet.com wrote:conditions are perfect to give the desired results. Not having that option changes the game significantly. My observation is that when a motorglider guy sees a motorglider do a tow they think it is the best thing since sliced bread, just another huzzah
On Friday, 27 January 2023 at 15:31:23 UTC, david.s....@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 9:03:07 AM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 1:51:46 AM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
DSM-5, not at all impressed with the video, I did see areas of concern, since you do not tow I doubt that you would recognize the marginal performance portions of the video. Usually when people do these types of video's they make sure that the
Phoenix towing at a contest event. Old Bob, The Purist and Tow PilotI would like to compare that motorglider to the trusted old Pawnee after 5 years of doing 1300 tows a year, what you non-towing guys seem not to realize is that there is no substitute for power. In the mean time I will anxiously awaiting to see a
should be advocating for the approvals needed to tow with LSA, even if our own clubs have no such need or interest.Bob,
You are certainly right. The Eurofox is not as capable as a Pawnee, but it is very good, and it might be a financial savior for a struggling club. To the extent that we think that high costs are a contributor to the decline of soaring in the US, we
800 lbs the power requirements go down, too.Note that the Eurofox is not a motor glider, and the conditions in that video were NOT ideal. The text says uphill with a light tailwind and a second pilot in the tow plane. I'm not a power pilot, but I am willing to believe that when the tug sheds
of the lower powered Eurofoxes but I was tugmaster at the UK Open/Std and 15m Nationals last year, operating seven tugs, one of which was a 915 Eurofox and I was mightily impressed! I watched it towing fully loaded Arcuses and JS1s, quite effortlessly,Cheers,I have been a tug pilot since 1986 (and glider pilot since 1977) and have towed with Pawnees,
...david
Bellanca Scout, 180 and 150 Cubs, 180 Chipmunks and a few other types, including the 912 and 914 Eurofoxes. I have also towed at lots of competitions, and so I think I'm qualified to give an opinion on the merits of different tugs. I was never a fan
sterling or about 130000 dollars. You can see why motor gliders are so popular.... if only there were another way.....IanI agree that something needs to be done about the FAAs stance on towing with LSA. I bet the new Eurofox and others can do the job adequately. The problem is that we think LSA means "cheap". Their website states the Eurofox sells for 105000 pounds
DougDoug, there is another way and Europe has done a good job with winch operations, although the winch will never replace the towplane here in the USA, with the right geographic set up it could work well. Now about towing with the LSA, I cannot see that as
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On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 1:04:22 PM UTC-5, Dgtarmichael wrote:conditions are perfect to give the desired results. Not having that option changes the game significantly. My observation is that when a motorglider guy sees a motorglider do a tow they think it is the best thing since sliced bread, just another huzzah
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 10:36:27 AM UTC-6, ian.la...@btinternet.com wrote:
On Friday, 27 January 2023 at 15:31:23 UTC, david.s....@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 9:03:07 AM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 1:51:46 AM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
DSM-5, not at all impressed with the video, I did see areas of concern, since you do not tow I doubt that you would recognize the marginal performance portions of the video. Usually when people do these types of video's they make sure that the
a Phoenix towing at a contest event. Old Bob, The Purist and Tow PilotI would like to compare that motorglider to the trusted old Pawnee after 5 years of doing 1300 tows a year, what you non-towing guys seem not to realize is that there is no substitute for power. In the mean time I will anxiously awaiting to see
we should be advocating for the approvals needed to tow with LSA, even if our own clubs have no such need or interest.Bob,
You are certainly right. The Eurofox is not as capable as a Pawnee, but it is very good, and it might be a financial savior for a struggling club. To the extent that we think that high costs are a contributor to the decline of soaring in the US,
sheds 800 lbs the power requirements go down, too.Note that the Eurofox is not a motor glider, and the conditions in that video were NOT ideal. The text says uphill with a light tailwind and a second pilot in the tow plane. I'm not a power pilot, but I am willing to believe that when the tug
fan of the lower powered Eurofoxes but I was tugmaster at the UK Open/Std and 15m Nationals last year, operating seven tugs, one of which was a 915 Eurofox and I was mightily impressed! I watched it towing fully loaded Arcuses and JS1s, quiteCheers,I have been a tug pilot since 1986 (and glider pilot since 1977) and have towed with Pawnees,
...david
Bellanca Scout, 180 and 150 Cubs, 180 Chipmunks and a few other types, including the 912 and 914 Eurofoxes. I have also towed at lots of competitions, and so I think I'm qualified to give an opinion on the merits of different tugs. I was never a
sterling or about 130000 dollars. You can see why motor gliders are so popular.... if only there were another way.....IanI agree that something needs to be done about the FAAs stance on towing with LSA. I bet the new Eurofox and others can do the job adequately. The problem is that we think LSA means "cheap". Their website states the Eurofox sells for 105000 pounds
as a replacement for a higher powered tug like the Pawnee or 182. In my young days I made a tow with a j-3 cub 65 hp, pulling a Std. Cirrus , not pretty, buy I am still alive. There is nothing that replaces power in every stage of the tow, looks to meDougDoug, there is another way and Europe has done a good job with winch operations, although the winch will never replace the towplane here in the USA, with the right geographic set up it could work well. Now about towing with the LSA, I cannot see that
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Many people on this forum have towed behind the ,"Towpecker" and they will tell you that when I say, hold on, you better get ready to go, because that fuel guzzling beast is up and gone. The LSA would never stand the punishment that our Pawnee enduresduring training flights, that Pawnee will give you more safety during a possible upset, I'll take that Pawnee or 182, or 180 like I flew yesterday any day of the week. Old Bob, The Purist
On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 4:33:31 AM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:the conditions are perfect to give the desired results. Not having that option changes the game significantly. My observation is that when a motorglider guy sees a motorglider do a tow they think it is the best thing since sliced bread, just another
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 1:04:22 PM UTC-5, Dgtarmichael wrote:
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 10:36:27 AM UTC-6, ian.la...@btinternet.com wrote:
On Friday, 27 January 2023 at 15:31:23 UTC, david.s....@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 9:03:07 AM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 1:51:46 AM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
DSM-5, not at all impressed with the video, I did see areas of concern, since you do not tow I doubt that you would recognize the marginal performance portions of the video. Usually when people do these types of video's they make sure that
see a Phoenix towing at a contest event. Old Bob, The Purist and Tow PilotI would like to compare that motorglider to the trusted old Pawnee after 5 years of doing 1300 tows a year, what you non-towing guys seem not to realize is that there is no substitute for power. In the mean time I will anxiously awaiting to
we should be advocating for the approvals needed to tow with LSA, even if our own clubs have no such need or interest.Bob,
You are certainly right. The Eurofox is not as capable as a Pawnee, but it is very good, and it might be a financial savior for a struggling club. To the extent that we think that high costs are a contributor to the decline of soaring in the US,
sheds 800 lbs the power requirements go down, too.Note that the Eurofox is not a motor glider, and the conditions in that video were NOT ideal. The text says uphill with a light tailwind and a second pilot in the tow plane. I'm not a power pilot, but I am willing to believe that when the tug
fan of the lower powered Eurofoxes but I was tugmaster at the UK Open/Std and 15m Nationals last year, operating seven tugs, one of which was a 915 Eurofox and I was mightily impressed! I watched it towing fully loaded Arcuses and JS1s, quiteCheers,I have been a tug pilot since 1986 (and glider pilot since 1977) and have towed with Pawnees,
...david
Bellanca Scout, 180 and 150 Cubs, 180 Chipmunks and a few other types, including the 912 and 914 Eurofoxes. I have also towed at lots of competitions, and so I think I'm qualified to give an opinion on the merits of different tugs. I was never a
sterling or about 130000 dollars. You can see why motor gliders are so popular.... if only there were another way.....IanI agree that something needs to be done about the FAAs stance on towing with LSA. I bet the new Eurofox and others can do the job adequately. The problem is that we think LSA means "cheap". Their website states the Eurofox sells for 105000 pounds
as a replacement for a higher powered tug like the Pawnee or 182. In my young days I made a tow with a j-3 cub 65 hp, pulling a Std. Cirrus , not pretty, buy I am still alive. There is nothing that replaces power in every stage of the tow, looks to meDougDoug, there is another way and Europe has done a good job with winch operations, although the winch will never replace the towplane here in the USA, with the right geographic set up it could work well. Now about towing with the LSA, I cannot see that
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endures during training flights, that Pawnee will give you more safety during a possible upset, I'll take that Pawnee or 182, or 180 like I flew yesterday any day of the week. Old Bob, The PuristMany people on this forum have towed behind the ,"Towpecker" and they will tell you that when I say, hold on, you better get ready to go, because that fuel guzzling beast is up and gone. The LSA would never stand the punishment that our Pawnee
Our club towed with a 150 hp CItabria for about 15 years, and the wing runners just jogged a few steps. A 100 hp LSA with a climb propeller won't require 100 yard dash winners, either. No one is suggesting a Pawnee isn't the best choice for yoursituation, only that there are alternatives that will be better choices for other clubs with different circumstances. For our club, for example, the best Pawnee would not have been able to make as many tows as a 150 hp Cessna 150 would have made, because
On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 10:17:54 AM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:the conditions are perfect to give the desired results. Not having that option changes the game significantly. My observation is that when a motorglider guy sees a motorglider do a tow they think it is the best thing since sliced bread, just another
On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 4:33:31 AM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 1:04:22 PM UTC-5, Dgtarmichael wrote:
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 10:36:27 AM UTC-6, ian.la...@btinternet.com wrote:
On Friday, 27 January 2023 at 15:31:23 UTC, david.s....@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 9:03:07 AM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 1:51:46 AM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
DSM-5, not at all impressed with the video, I did see areas of concern, since you do not tow I doubt that you would recognize the marginal performance portions of the video. Usually when people do these types of video's they make sure that
see a Phoenix towing at a contest event. Old Bob, The Purist and Tow PilotI would like to compare that motorglider to the trusted old Pawnee after 5 years of doing 1300 tows a year, what you non-towing guys seem not to realize is that there is no substitute for power. In the mean time I will anxiously awaiting to
US, we should be advocating for the approvals needed to tow with LSA, even if our own clubs have no such need or interest.Bob,
You are certainly right. The Eurofox is not as capable as a Pawnee, but it is very good, and it might be a financial savior for a struggling club. To the extent that we think that high costs are a contributor to the decline of soaring in the
sheds 800 lbs the power requirements go down, too.Note that the Eurofox is not a motor glider, and the conditions in that video were NOT ideal. The text says uphill with a light tailwind and a second pilot in the tow plane. I'm not a power pilot, but I am willing to believe that when the tug
a fan of the lower powered Eurofoxes but I was tugmaster at the UK Open/Std and 15m Nationals last year, operating seven tugs, one of which was a 915 Eurofox and I was mightily impressed! I watched it towing fully loaded Arcuses and JS1s, quiteCheers,I have been a tug pilot since 1986 (and glider pilot since 1977) and have towed with Pawnees,
...david
Bellanca Scout, 180 and 150 Cubs, 180 Chipmunks and a few other types, including the 912 and 914 Eurofoxes. I have also towed at lots of competitions, and so I think I'm qualified to give an opinion on the merits of different tugs. I was never
sterling or about 130000 dollars. You can see why motor gliders are so popular.... if only there were another way.....IanI agree that something needs to be done about the FAAs stance on towing with LSA. I bet the new Eurofox and others can do the job adequately. The problem is that we think LSA means "cheap". Their website states the Eurofox sells for 105000 pounds
that as a replacement for a higher powered tug like the Pawnee or 182. In my young days I made a tow with a j-3 cub 65 hp, pulling a Std. Cirrus , not pretty, buy I am still alive. There is nothing that replaces power in every stage of the tow, looks toDougDoug, there is another way and Europe has done a good job with winch operations, although the winch will never replace the towplane here in the USA, with the right geographic set up it could work well. Now about towing with the LSA, I cannot see
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endures during training flights, that Pawnee will give you more safety during a possible upset, I'll take that Pawnee or 182, or 180 like I flew yesterday any day of the week. Old Bob, The PuristMany people on this forum have towed behind the ,"Towpecker" and they will tell you that when I say, hold on, you better get ready to go, because that fuel guzzling beast is up and gone. The LSA would never stand the punishment that our Pawnee
situation, only that there are alternatives that will be better choices for other clubs with different circumstances. For our club, for example, the best Pawnee would not have been able to make as many tows as a 150 hp Cessna 150 would have made, becauseOur club towed with a 150 hp CItabria for about 15 years, and the wing runners just jogged a few steps. A 100 hp LSA with a climb propeller won't require 100 yard dash winners, either. No one is suggesting a Pawnee isn't the best choice for your
All I can say is today the Towpecker made its presence known. Yep a great guy showed up today at TCSC from the cold winter months of NH, don't blame him for coming back to Vero, the Wx is much better here. He assembled his JS3 and asked if I would givehim a tow so that he could get the cobwebs off the beautiful motorglider.
As we staged at the start line I came on the radio and told him that he did not have Usain Bolt as a wing runner so just hold on and I will yank you right out of here. yes that gas guzzling 540 plus came to life and off we went. I yanked his ass likewe were starting off a drag racing line, and as we approached the end of the tow his reply was, "Thanks For The Towpecker"! OBTP, No LSA In My Plans!
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 1:13:04 PM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:that the conditions are perfect to give the desired results. Not having that option changes the game significantly. My observation is that when a motorglider guy sees a motorglider do a tow they think it is the best thing since sliced bread, just another
On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 10:17:54 AM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 4:33:31 AM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 1:04:22 PM UTC-5, Dgtarmichael wrote:
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 10:36:27 AM UTC-6, ian.la...@btinternet.com wrote:
On Friday, 27 January 2023 at 15:31:23 UTC, david.s....@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 9:03:07 AM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 1:51:46 AM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
DSM-5, not at all impressed with the video, I did see areas of concern, since you do not tow I doubt that you would recognize the marginal performance portions of the video. Usually when people do these types of video's they make sure
to see a Phoenix towing at a contest event. Old Bob, The Purist and Tow PilotI would like to compare that motorglider to the trusted old Pawnee after 5 years of doing 1300 tows a year, what you non-towing guys seem not to realize is that there is no substitute for power. In the mean time I will anxiously awaiting
the US, we should be advocating for the approvals needed to tow with LSA, even if our own clubs have no such need or interest.Bob,
You are certainly right. The Eurofox is not as capable as a Pawnee, but it is very good, and it might be a financial savior for a struggling club. To the extent that we think that high costs are a contributor to the decline of soaring in
tug sheds 800 lbs the power requirements go down, too.Note that the Eurofox is not a motor glider, and the conditions in that video were NOT ideal. The text says uphill with a light tailwind and a second pilot in the tow plane. I'm not a power pilot, but I am willing to believe that when the
never a fan of the lower powered Eurofoxes but I was tugmaster at the UK Open/Std and 15m Nationals last year, operating seven tugs, one of which was a 915 Eurofox and I was mightily impressed! I watched it towing fully loaded Arcuses and JS1s, quiteCheers,I have been a tug pilot since 1986 (and glider pilot since 1977) and have towed with Pawnees,
...david
Bellanca Scout, 180 and 150 Cubs, 180 Chipmunks and a few other types, including the 912 and 914 Eurofoxes. I have also towed at lots of competitions, and so I think I'm qualified to give an opinion on the merits of different tugs. I was
pounds sterling or about 130000 dollars. You can see why motor gliders are so popular.... if only there were another way.....IanI agree that something needs to be done about the FAAs stance on towing with LSA. I bet the new Eurofox and others can do the job adequately. The problem is that we think LSA means "cheap". Their website states the Eurofox sells for 105000
that as a replacement for a higher powered tug like the Pawnee or 182. In my young days I made a tow with a j-3 cub 65 hp, pulling a Std. Cirrus , not pretty, buy I am still alive. There is nothing that replaces power in every stage of the tow, looks toDougDoug, there is another way and Europe has done a good job with winch operations, although the winch will never replace the towplane here in the USA, with the right geographic set up it could work well. Now about towing with the LSA, I cannot see
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endures during training flights, that Pawnee will give you more safety during a possible upset, I'll take that Pawnee or 182, or 180 like I flew yesterday any day of the week. Old Bob, The PuristMany people on this forum have towed behind the ,"Towpecker" and they will tell you that when I say, hold on, you better get ready to go, because that fuel guzzling beast is up and gone. The LSA would never stand the punishment that our Pawnee
situation, only that there are alternatives that will be better choices for other clubs with different circumstances. For our club, for example, the best Pawnee would not have been able to make as many tows as a 150 hp Cessna 150 would have made, becauseOur club towed with a 150 hp CItabria for about 15 years, and the wing runners just jogged a few steps. A 100 hp LSA with a climb propeller won't require 100 yard dash winners, either. No one is suggesting a Pawnee isn't the best choice for your
give him a tow so that he could get the cobwebs off the beautiful motorglider.All I can say is today the Towpecker made its presence known. Yep a great guy showed up today at TCSC from the cold winter months of NH, don't blame him for coming back to Vero, the Wx is much better here. He assembled his JS3 and asked if I would
we were starting off a drag racing line, and as we approached the end of the tow his reply was, "Thanks For The Towpecker"! OBTP, No LSA In My Plans!As we staged at the start line I came on the radio and told him that he did not have Usain Bolt as a wing runner so just hold on and I will yank you right out of here. yes that gas guzzling 540 plus came to life and off we went. I yanked his ass like
A motorglider with a steerable tail wheel makes an unassisted towed takeoff a delight: you can keep the glider going in exactly the direction you wish, even with with a low powered tug and no wind; in fact, you can do that even WITH a tail wind!. Ifall gliders had steerable tail wheels, all the wing runners could retire, or do something more productive, and there'd be fewer ground loops and damaged gliders. It's so terrific having a steerable tail wheel, I'd get one if I owned a towed glider. Of
That EuroFox looks an awful lot like a Kit Fox. I wonder what kind of engine a Kit Fox would need to work well as a tow plane (assuming we could get it to be legal)?
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 1:13:04 PM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:that the conditions are perfect to give the desired results. Not having that option changes the game significantly. My observation is that when a motorglider guy sees a motorglider do a tow they think it is the best thing since sliced bread, just another
On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 10:17:54 AM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 4:33:31 AM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 1:04:22 PM UTC-5, Dgtarmichael wrote:
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 10:36:27 AM UTC-6, ian.la...@btinternet.com wrote:
On Friday, 27 January 2023 at 15:31:23 UTC, david.s....@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 9:03:07 AM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 1:51:46 AM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
DSM-5, not at all impressed with the video, I did see areas of concern, since you do not tow I doubt that you would recognize the marginal performance portions of the video. Usually when people do these types of video's they make sure
to see a Phoenix towing at a contest event. Old Bob, The Purist and Tow PilotI would like to compare that motorglider to the trusted old Pawnee after 5 years of doing 1300 tows a year, what you non-towing guys seem not to realize is that there is no substitute for power. In the mean time I will anxiously awaiting
the US, we should be advocating for the approvals needed to tow with LSA, even if our own clubs have no such need or interest.Bob,
You are certainly right. The Eurofox is not as capable as a Pawnee, but it is very good, and it might be a financial savior for a struggling club. To the extent that we think that high costs are a contributor to the decline of soaring in
tug sheds 800 lbs the power requirements go down, too.Note that the Eurofox is not a motor glider, and the conditions in that video were NOT ideal. The text says uphill with a light tailwind and a second pilot in the tow plane. I'm not a power pilot, but I am willing to believe that when the
never a fan of the lower powered Eurofoxes but I was tugmaster at the UK Open/Std and 15m Nationals last year, operating seven tugs, one of which was a 915 Eurofox and I was mightily impressed! I watched it towing fully loaded Arcuses and JS1s, quiteCheers,I have been a tug pilot since 1986 (and glider pilot since 1977) and have towed with Pawnees,
...david
Bellanca Scout, 180 and 150 Cubs, 180 Chipmunks and a few other types, including the 912 and 914 Eurofoxes. I have also towed at lots of competitions, and so I think I'm qualified to give an opinion on the merits of different tugs. I was
pounds sterling or about 130000 dollars. You can see why motor gliders are so popular.... if only there were another way.....IanI agree that something needs to be done about the FAAs stance on towing with LSA. I bet the new Eurofox and others can do the job adequately. The problem is that we think LSA means "cheap". Their website states the Eurofox sells for 105000
that as a replacement for a higher powered tug like the Pawnee or 182. In my young days I made a tow with a j-3 cub 65 hp, pulling a Std. Cirrus , not pretty, buy I am still alive. There is nothing that replaces power in every stage of the tow, looks toDougDoug, there is another way and Europe has done a good job with winch operations, although the winch will never replace the towplane here in the USA, with the right geographic set up it could work well. Now about towing with the LSA, I cannot see
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endures during training flights, that Pawnee will give you more safety during a possible upset, I'll take that Pawnee or 182, or 180 like I flew yesterday any day of the week. Old Bob, The PuristMany people on this forum have towed behind the ,"Towpecker" and they will tell you that when I say, hold on, you better get ready to go, because that fuel guzzling beast is up and gone. The LSA would never stand the punishment that our Pawnee
situation, only that there are alternatives that will be better choices for other clubs with different circumstances. For our club, for example, the best Pawnee would not have been able to make as many tows as a 150 hp Cessna 150 would have made, becauseOur club towed with a 150 hp CItabria for about 15 years, and the wing runners just jogged a few steps. A 100 hp LSA with a climb propeller won't require 100 yard dash winners, either. No one is suggesting a Pawnee isn't the best choice for your
give him a tow so that he could get the cobwebs off the beautiful motorglider.All I can say is today the Towpecker made its presence known. Yep a great guy showed up today at TCSC from the cold winter months of NH, don't blame him for coming back to Vero, the Wx is much better here. He assembled his JS3 and asked if I would
we were starting off a drag racing line, and as we approached the end of the tow his reply was, "Thanks For The Towpecker"! OBTP, No LSA In My Plans!As we staged at the start line I came on the radio and told him that he did not have Usain Bolt as a wing runner so just hold on and I will yank you right out of here. yes that gas guzzling 540 plus came to life and off we went. I yanked his ass like
A motorglider with a steerable tail wheel makes an unassisted towed takeoff a delight: you can keep the glider going in exactly the direction you wish, even with with a low powered tug and no wind; in fact, you can do that even WITH a tail wind!. Ifall gliders had steerable tail wheels, all the wing runners could retire, or do something more productive, and there'd be fewer ground loops and damaged gliders. It's so terrific having a steerable tail wheel, I'd get one if I owned a towed glider. Of
A colleague more experienced than I am in FAA matters suggests that the towing restriction on LS aircraft, including the Eurofox could be circumvented by registering it in the Experimental category. It probably could not be used for hire, but thismight work for a club or private owner.
Mike
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