I have been soaring for many decades, probably just like many of the guys and gals here on RAS. Soaring has always been a wonderful event for myself and my wife Eileen. Expecting for things to stay the same is certainly a wonderful thought, yet notever does that turn into reality.
Not saying that things should go back to the Wright Brothers days but where does this sport go from here? Many soaring sites are being consumed by urban development, and we just dodged that scenario at TCSC ourselves.what is the future of the sport??? What can be done to revive the sport??? Our approach at TCSC has been a bit different than most, not everything that works for us will work for everyone or every club. I would love to hear your thoughts and comments.
The biggest challenge to clubs and commercial operators is the cost of equipment and the availability of such equipment. Our club has been fortunate to think out of the box and make things happen that resulted in expansion of the sport. Let me ask you,
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 3:36:31 PM UTC-6, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:ever does that turn into reality.
I have been soaring for many decades, probably just like many of the guys and gals here on RAS. Soaring has always been a wonderful event for myself and my wife Eileen. Expecting for things to stay the same is certainly a wonderful thought, yet not
you, what is the future of the sport??? What can be done to revive the sport??? Our approach at TCSC has been a bit different than most, not everything that works for us will work for everyone or every club. I would love to hear your thoughts andNot saying that things should go back to the Wright Brothers days but where does this sport go from here? Many soaring sites are being consumed by urban development, and we just dodged that scenario at TCSC ourselves.
The biggest challenge to clubs and commercial operators is the cost of equipment and the availability of such equipment. Our club has been fortunate to think out of the box and make things happen that resulted in expansion of the sport. Let me ask
Bob,due to lack of decent XC ships and the ships sitting in hangars gathering dust. We have many of our pilots who have decent XC capable ships that either sit in a trailer or a hangar and fly infrequently or not at all, yet those pilots are not willing to
It seems we are very different in the USA than many of our counterparts in the rest of the world in that gliders are loaned out. Hugh Grandstaff posted a great write-up on the poor state of our up and coming youngsters to move into XC and competition
Tony
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 3:36:31 PM UTC-6, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:ever does that turn into reality.
I have been soaring for many decades, probably just like many of the guys and gals here on RAS. Soaring has always been a wonderful event for myself and my wife Eileen. Expecting for things to stay the same is certainly a wonderful thought, yet not
you, what is the future of the sport??? What can be done to revive the sport??? Our approach at TCSC has been a bit different than most, not everything that works for us will work for everyone or every club. I would love to hear your thoughts andNot saying that things should go back to the Wright Brothers days but where does this sport go from here? Many soaring sites are being consumed by urban development, and we just dodged that scenario at TCSC ourselves.
The biggest challenge to clubs and commercial operators is the cost of equipment and the availability of such equipment. Our club has been fortunate to think out of the box and make things happen that resulted in expansion of the sport. Let me ask
Bob,due to lack of decent XC ships and the ships sitting in hangars gathering dust. We have many of our pilots who have decent XC capable ships that either sit in a trailer or a hangar and fly infrequently or not at all, yet those pilots are not willing to
It seems we are very different in the USA than many of our counterparts in the rest of the world in that gliders are loaned out. Hugh Grandstaff posted a great write-up on the poor state of our up and coming youngsters to move into XC and competition
TonyTony, you made an excellent point referencing what I call, "Ghost Ships", those that sit around and become hangar or trailer queens and just continue to deteriorate. Our club has taken the approach of one mans trash is our club's stepping stone and we
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 9:07:20 PM UTC-7, Tony Smolder wrote:ever does that turn into reality.
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 3:36:31 PM UTC-6, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
I have been soaring for many decades, probably just like many of the guys and gals here on RAS. Soaring has always been a wonderful event for myself and my wife Eileen. Expecting for things to stay the same is certainly a wonderful thought, yet not
you, what is the future of the sport??? What can be done to revive the sport??? Our approach at TCSC has been a bit different than most, not everything that works for us will work for everyone or every club. I would love to hear your thoughts andNot saying that things should go back to the Wright Brothers days but where does this sport go from here? Many soaring sites are being consumed by urban development, and we just dodged that scenario at TCSC ourselves.
The biggest challenge to clubs and commercial operators is the cost of equipment and the availability of such equipment. Our club has been fortunate to think out of the box and make things happen that resulted in expansion of the sport. Let me ask
due to lack of decent XC ships and the ships sitting in hangars gathering dust. We have many of our pilots who have decent XC capable ships that either sit in a trailer or a hangar and fly infrequently or not at all, yet those pilots are not willing toBob,
It seems we are very different in the USA than many of our counterparts in the rest of the world in that gliders are loaned out. Hugh Grandstaff posted a great write-up on the poor state of our up and coming youngsters to move into XC and competition
transition pilots from the 2-33 into more modern glass ships that are capable of XC flying. So the newly minted pilots fly the 2-33 around the pattern and eventually get bored of that and move on to find something else to spend their time and money on.TonyFrom my limited experience (but I suspect it is quite typical of many pilots from small clubs in the US), the bulk of the training is done on the venerable SGS 2-33. Many clubs don't have access to two-seater glass ships that they can then use to
I have been soaring for many decades, probably just like many of the guys and gals here on RAS. Soaring has always been a wonderful event for myself and my wife Eileen. Expecting for things to stay the same is certainly a wonderful thought, yet notever does that turn into reality.
Not saying that things should go back to the Wright Brothers days but where does this sport go from here? Many soaring sites are being consumed by urban development, and we just dodged that scenario at TCSC ourselves.what is the future of the sport??? What can be done to revive the sport??? Our approach at TCSC has been a bit different than most, not everything that works for us will work for everyone or every club. I would love to hear your thoughts and comments.
The biggest challenge to clubs and commercial operators is the cost of equipment and the availability of such equipment. Our club has been fortunate to think out of the box and make things happen that resulted in expansion of the sport. Let me ask you,
On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 12:52:40 AM UTC-5, johngf...@gmail.com wrote:not ever does that turn into reality.
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 9:07:20 PM UTC-7, Tony Smolder wrote:
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 3:36:31 PM UTC-6, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
I have been soaring for many decades, probably just like many of the guys and gals here on RAS. Soaring has always been a wonderful event for myself and my wife Eileen. Expecting for things to stay the same is certainly a wonderful thought, yet
ask you, what is the future of the sport??? What can be done to revive the sport??? Our approach at TCSC has been a bit different than most, not everything that works for us will work for everyone or every club. I would love to hear your thoughts andNot saying that things should go back to the Wright Brothers days but where does this sport go from here? Many soaring sites are being consumed by urban development, and we just dodged that scenario at TCSC ourselves.
The biggest challenge to clubs and commercial operators is the cost of equipment and the availability of such equipment. Our club has been fortunate to think out of the box and make things happen that resulted in expansion of the sport. Let me
competition due to lack of decent XC ships and the ships sitting in hangars gathering dust. We have many of our pilots who have decent XC capable ships that either sit in a trailer or a hangar and fly infrequently or not at all, yet those pilots are notBob,
It seems we are very different in the USA than many of our counterparts in the rest of the world in that gliders are loaned out. Hugh Grandstaff posted a great write-up on the poor state of our up and coming youngsters to move into XC and
transition pilots from the 2-33 into more modern glass ships that are capable of XC flying. So the newly minted pilots fly the 2-33 around the pattern and eventually get bored of that and move on to find something else to spend their time and money on.TonyFrom my limited experience (but I suspect it is quite typical of many pilots from small clubs in the US), the bulk of the training is done on the venerable SGS 2-33. Many clubs don't have access to two-seater glass ships that they can then use to
Having enough rungs on the ladder to allow pilots to progress is an important element in a club or commercial operation. Once proficient in a 2-33, let's assume that is the trainer used, the member needs another step. This is important for 2 reasons.First is that it provides the new pilot with another progress step and secondly it frees the trainer to be used for the next student. How many steps the organization can provide is the next challenge. In our club we train in 2-33's through solo. We have (
We are fortunate to have this depth. It took many years to grow to this position. Bob and his organization are doing it similarly, but at a quicker rate, almost entirely due to his generosity and that of a few supporters.Thanks Hank, we have a great group of supporters, from instructors to ground crew and other volunteers that make what we do unique, just wish I had more tow pilots, the years are closing in on me. One of the benefits that our youth club members have is
It is not easy, or cheap but it is doable.
FWIW
UH
On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:37:29 AM UTC-5, Hank Nixon wrote:not ever does that turn into reality.
On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 12:52:40 AM UTC-5, johngf...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 9:07:20 PM UTC-7, Tony Smolder wrote:
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 3:36:31 PM UTC-6, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
I have been soaring for many decades, probably just like many of the guys and gals here on RAS. Soaring has always been a wonderful event for myself and my wife Eileen. Expecting for things to stay the same is certainly a wonderful thought, yet
ask you, what is the future of the sport??? What can be done to revive the sport??? Our approach at TCSC has been a bit different than most, not everything that works for us will work for everyone or every club. I would love to hear your thoughts andNot saying that things should go back to the Wright Brothers days but where does this sport go from here? Many soaring sites are being consumed by urban development, and we just dodged that scenario at TCSC ourselves.
The biggest challenge to clubs and commercial operators is the cost of equipment and the availability of such equipment. Our club has been fortunate to think out of the box and make things happen that resulted in expansion of the sport. Let me
competition due to lack of decent XC ships and the ships sitting in hangars gathering dust. We have many of our pilots who have decent XC capable ships that either sit in a trailer or a hangar and fly infrequently or not at all, yet those pilots are notBob,
It seems we are very different in the USA than many of our counterparts in the rest of the world in that gliders are loaned out. Hugh Grandstaff posted a great write-up on the poor state of our up and coming youngsters to move into XC and
transition pilots from the 2-33 into more modern glass ships that are capable of XC flying. So the newly minted pilots fly the 2-33 around the pattern and eventually get bored of that and move on to find something else to spend their time and money on.TonyFrom my limited experience (but I suspect it is quite typical of many pilots from small clubs in the US), the bulk of the training is done on the venerable SGS 2-33. Many clubs don't have access to two-seater glass ships that they can then use to
First is that it provides the new pilot with another progress step and secondly it frees the trainer to be used for the next student. How many steps the organization can provide is the next challenge. In our club we train in 2-33's through solo. We have (Having enough rungs on the ladder to allow pilots to progress is an important element in a club or commercial operation. Once proficient in a 2-33, let's assume that is the trainer used, the member needs another step. This is important for 2 reasons.
that there is NO cost involved in their training. We are not a babysitting venue, we expect our youth members to learn every phase of glider operation starting with running the line to fueling my Pawnee. One of the great things that we have done is toWe are fortunate to have this depth. It took many years to grow to this position. Bob and his organization are doing it similarly, but at a quicker rate, almost entirely due to his generosity and that of a few supporters.Thanks Hank, we have a great group of supporters, from instructors to ground crew and other volunteers that make what we do unique, just wish I had more tow pilots, the years are closing in on me. One of the benefits that our youth club members have is
It is not easy, or cheap but it is doable.
FWIW
UH
On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:37:29 AM UTC-5, Hank Nixon wrote:not ever does that turn into reality.
On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 12:52:40 AM UTC-5, johngf...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 9:07:20 PM UTC-7, Tony Smolder wrote:
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 3:36:31 PM UTC-6, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
I have been soaring for many decades, probably just like many of the guys and gals here on RAS. Soaring has always been a wonderful event for myself and my wife Eileen. Expecting for things to stay the same is certainly a wonderful thought, yet
ask you, what is the future of the sport??? What can be done to revive the sport??? Our approach at TCSC has been a bit different than most, not everything that works for us will work for everyone or every club. I would love to hear your thoughts andNot saying that things should go back to the Wright Brothers days but where does this sport go from here? Many soaring sites are being consumed by urban development, and we just dodged that scenario at TCSC ourselves.
The biggest challenge to clubs and commercial operators is the cost of equipment and the availability of such equipment. Our club has been fortunate to think out of the box and make things happen that resulted in expansion of the sport. Let me
competition due to lack of decent XC ships and the ships sitting in hangars gathering dust. We have many of our pilots who have decent XC capable ships that either sit in a trailer or a hangar and fly infrequently or not at all, yet those pilots are notBob,
It seems we are very different in the USA than many of our counterparts in the rest of the world in that gliders are loaned out. Hugh Grandstaff posted a great write-up on the poor state of our up and coming youngsters to move into XC and
transition pilots from the 2-33 into more modern glass ships that are capable of XC flying. So the newly minted pilots fly the 2-33 around the pattern and eventually get bored of that and move on to find something else to spend their time and money on.TonyFrom my limited experience (but I suspect it is quite typical of many pilots from small clubs in the US), the bulk of the training is done on the venerable SGS 2-33. Many clubs don't have access to two-seater glass ships that they can then use to
First is that it provides the new pilot with another progress step and secondly it frees the trainer to be used for the next student. How many steps the organization can provide is the next challenge. In our club we train in 2-33's through solo. We have (Having enough rungs on the ladder to allow pilots to progress is an important element in a club or commercial operation. Once proficient in a 2-33, let's assume that is the trainer used, the member needs another step. This is important for 2 reasons.
that there is NO cost involved in their training. We are not a babysitting venue, we expect our youth members to learn every phase of glider operation starting with running the line to fueling my Pawnee. One of the great things that we have done is toWe are fortunate to have this depth. It took many years to grow to this position. Bob and his organization are doing it similarly, but at a quicker rate, almost entirely due to his generosity and that of a few supporters.Thanks Hank, we have a great group of supporters, from instructors to ground crew and other volunteers that make what we do unique, just wish I had more tow pilots, the years are closing in on me. One of the benefits that our youth club members have is
It is not easy, or cheap but it is doable.
FWIW
UH
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:13:19 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:yet not ever does that turn into reality.
On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:37:29 AM UTC-5, Hank Nixon wrote:
On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 12:52:40 AM UTC-5, johngf...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 9:07:20 PM UTC-7, Tony Smolder wrote:
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 3:36:31 PM UTC-6, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
I have been soaring for many decades, probably just like many of the guys and gals here on RAS. Soaring has always been a wonderful event for myself and my wife Eileen. Expecting for things to stay the same is certainly a wonderful thought,
me ask you, what is the future of the sport??? What can be done to revive the sport??? Our approach at TCSC has been a bit different than most, not everything that works for us will work for everyone or every club. I would love to hear your thoughts andNot saying that things should go back to the Wright Brothers days but where does this sport go from here? Many soaring sites are being consumed by urban development, and we just dodged that scenario at TCSC ourselves.
The biggest challenge to clubs and commercial operators is the cost of equipment and the availability of such equipment. Our club has been fortunate to think out of the box and make things happen that resulted in expansion of the sport. Let
competition due to lack of decent XC ships and the ships sitting in hangars gathering dust. We have many of our pilots who have decent XC capable ships that either sit in a trailer or a hangar and fly infrequently or not at all, yet those pilots are notBob,
It seems we are very different in the USA than many of our counterparts in the rest of the world in that gliders are loaned out. Hugh Grandstaff posted a great write-up on the poor state of our up and coming youngsters to move into XC and
transition pilots from the 2-33 into more modern glass ships that are capable of XC flying. So the newly minted pilots fly the 2-33 around the pattern and eventually get bored of that and move on to find something else to spend their time and money on.TonyFrom my limited experience (but I suspect it is quite typical of many pilots from small clubs in the US), the bulk of the training is done on the venerable SGS 2-33. Many clubs don't have access to two-seater glass ships that they can then use to
reasons. First is that it provides the new pilot with another progress step and secondly it frees the trainer to be used for the next student. How many steps the organization can provide is the next challenge. In our club we train in 2-33's through solo.Having enough rungs on the ladder to allow pilots to progress is an important element in a club or commercial operation. Once proficient in a 2-33, let's assume that is the trainer used, the member needs another step. This is important for 2
is that there is NO cost involved in their training. We are not a babysitting venue, we expect our youth members to learn every phase of glider operation starting with running the line to fueling my Pawnee. One of the great things that we have done is toWe are fortunate to have this depth. It took many years to grow to this position. Bob and his organization are doing it similarly, but at a quicker rate, almost entirely due to his generosity and that of a few supporters.Thanks Hank, we have a great group of supporters, from instructors to ground crew and other volunteers that make what we do unique, just wish I had more tow pilots, the years are closing in on me. One of the benefits that our youth club members have
It is not easy, or cheap but it is doable.
FWIW
UH
How does a poor struggling club, with just a 2-33, develop that "depth" of club gliders? Without club gliders, its hard to attract new members. Without members, its hard to build the finances to afford a nicer glider. Catch-22.
...leased everything to the club to get going and the club gradually bought the ships one at a time. We still lease our second towplane (Super Cub) to the club.
The only way I have ever seen it work is that someone who has the resources acquires the needed glider and makes it available to members. Commonly this is done by lease back. When we transitioned from a commercial operation to a club, my wife and I
I know of a Club in Connecticut that grew the same way. A member bought a 1-26 and made it available and then, when their tug source went away, he bought a Pawnee. The answer is basically someone( or someones) who has resources and a belief in theenterprise need to step up.
UH
On 1/23/2023 11:45 AM, Hank Nixon wrote:leased everything to the club to get going and the club gradually bought the ships one at a time. We still lease our second towplane (Super Cub) to the club.
...
The only way I have ever seen it work is that someone who has the resources acquires the needed glider and makes it available to members. Commonly this is done by lease back. When we transitioned from a commercial operation to a club, my wife and I
enterprise need to step up.I know of a Club in Connecticut that grew the same way. A member bought a 1-26 and made it available and then, when their tug source went away, he bought a Pawnee. The answer is basically someone( or someones) who has resources and a belief in the
Those notes can be interest only until such time as the principal can be retired. That worked for our chapter in buying adjoining land for the gliderport. It can certainly work to build the fleet and for a couple of reasons may be better than lease-UHOr, as was done in our club, can pool resources from multiple club
members, some more some less as they are willing and able, all loaning
money to the club to finance what needs to be financed. The club paid
these loans back over several years. Better than having your savings
just sitting in the bank losing value to inflation.
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 10:20:50 AM UTC-7, Moshe Braner wrote:leased everything to the club to get going and the club gradually bought the ships one at a time. We still lease our second towplane (Super Cub) to the club.
On 1/23/2023 11:45 AM, Hank Nixon wrote:
...
The only way I have ever seen it work is that someone who has the resources acquires the needed glider and makes it available to members. Commonly this is done by lease back. When we transitioned from a commercial operation to a club, my wife and I
enterprise need to step up.I know of a Club in Connecticut that grew the same way. A member bought a 1-26 and made it available and then, when their tug source went away, he bought a Pawnee. The answer is basically someone( or someones) who has resources and a belief in the
back arrangements or equity interests in the long run.Those notes can be interest only until such time as the principal can be retired. That worked for our chapter in buying adjoining land for the gliderport. It can certainly work to build the fleet and for a couple of reasons may be better than lease-UHOr, as was done in our club, can pool resources from multiple club members, some more some less as they are willing and able, all loaning money to the club to finance what needs to be financed. The club paid these loans back over several years. Better than having your savings
just sitting in the bank losing value to inflation.
Frank Whiteley
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:08:19 AM UTC-5, johngf...@gmail.com wrote:yet not ever does that turn into reality.
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:13:19 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:37:29 AM UTC-5, Hank Nixon wrote:
On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 12:52:40 AM UTC-5, johngf...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 9:07:20 PM UTC-7, Tony Smolder wrote:
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 3:36:31 PM UTC-6, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
I have been soaring for many decades, probably just like many of the guys and gals here on RAS. Soaring has always been a wonderful event for myself and my wife Eileen. Expecting for things to stay the same is certainly a wonderful thought,
me ask you, what is the future of the sport??? What can be done to revive the sport??? Our approach at TCSC has been a bit different than most, not everything that works for us will work for everyone or every club. I would love to hear your thoughts andNot saying that things should go back to the Wright Brothers days but where does this sport go from here? Many soaring sites are being consumed by urban development, and we just dodged that scenario at TCSC ourselves.
The biggest challenge to clubs and commercial operators is the cost of equipment and the availability of such equipment. Our club has been fortunate to think out of the box and make things happen that resulted in expansion of the sport. Let
competition due to lack of decent XC ships and the ships sitting in hangars gathering dust. We have many of our pilots who have decent XC capable ships that either sit in a trailer or a hangar and fly infrequently or not at all, yet those pilots are notBob,
It seems we are very different in the USA than many of our counterparts in the rest of the world in that gliders are loaned out. Hugh Grandstaff posted a great write-up on the poor state of our up and coming youngsters to move into XC and
to transition pilots from the 2-33 into more modern glass ships that are capable of XC flying. So the newly minted pilots fly the 2-33 around the pattern and eventually get bored of that and move on to find something else to spend their time and money on.TonyFrom my limited experience (but I suspect it is quite typical of many pilots from small clubs in the US), the bulk of the training is done on the venerable SGS 2-33. Many clubs don't have access to two-seater glass ships that they can then use
reasons. First is that it provides the new pilot with another progress step and secondly it frees the trainer to be used for the next student. How many steps the organization can provide is the next challenge. In our club we train in 2-33's through solo.Having enough rungs on the ladder to allow pilots to progress is an important element in a club or commercial operation. Once proficient in a 2-33, let's assume that is the trainer used, the member needs another step. This is important for 2
have is that there is NO cost involved in their training. We are not a babysitting venue, we expect our youth members to learn every phase of glider operation starting with running the line to fueling my Pawnee. One of the great things that we have doneWe are fortunate to have this depth. It took many years to grow to this position. Bob and his organization are doing it similarly, but at a quicker rate, almost entirely due to his generosity and that of a few supporters.Thanks Hank, we have a great group of supporters, from instructors to ground crew and other volunteers that make what we do unique, just wish I had more tow pilots, the years are closing in on me. One of the benefits that our youth club members
It is not easy, or cheap but it is doable.
FWIW
UH
leased everything to the club to get going and the club gradually bought the ships one at a time. We still lease our second towplane (Super Cub) to the club.How does a poor struggling club, with just a 2-33, develop that "depth" of club gliders? Without club gliders, its hard to attract new members. Without members, its hard to build the finances to afford a nicer glider. Catch-22.The only way I have ever seen it work is that someone who has the resources acquires the needed glider and makes it available to members. Commonly this is done by lease back. When we transitioned from a commercial operation to a club, my wife and I
I know of a Club in Connecticut that grew the same way. A member bought a 1-26 and made it available and then, when their tug source went away, he bought a Pawnee. The answer is basically someone( or someones) who has resources and a belief in theenterprise need to step up.
UHUH, you are exactly correct, setting up a club takes resources and time, along with individuals on the same page and developing skills to be successful. First thing on the list are people with a common goal that understand and enjoy soaring, soaring is a
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:21:31 PM UTC-8, Frank Whiteley wrote:I leased everything to the club to get going and the club gradually bought the ships one at a time. We still lease our second towplane (Super Cub) to the club.
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 10:20:50 AM UTC-7, Moshe Braner wrote:
On 1/23/2023 11:45 AM, Hank Nixon wrote:
...
The only way I have ever seen it work is that someone who has the resources acquires the needed glider and makes it available to members. Commonly this is done by lease back. When we transitioned from a commercial operation to a club, my wife and
the enterprise need to step up.I know of a Club in Connecticut that grew the same way. A member bought a 1-26 and made it available and then, when their tug source went away, he bought a Pawnee. The answer is basically someone( or someones) who has resources and a belief in
back arrangements or equity interests in the long run.Those notes can be interest only until such time as the principal can be retired. That worked for our chapter in buying adjoining land for the gliderport. It can certainly work to build the fleet and for a couple of reasons may be better than lease-UHOr, as was done in our club, can pool resources from multiple club members, some more some less as they are willing and able, all loaning money to the club to finance what needs to be financed. The club paid these loans back over several years. Better than having your savings just sitting in the bank losing value to inflation.
club is completely on their own.Frank WhiteleyThe SSA needs to develop a COMPLETE glider club package that includes a club web template, scheduling and accounting software, financing and promotional package. This is a MAJOR hurdle for newbies to navigate. As it is, anybody that wants to start a
Tom
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 9:28:09 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:and I leased everything to the club to get going and the club gradually bought the ships one at a time. We still lease our second towplane (Super Cub) to the club.
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:21:31 PM UTC-8, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 10:20:50 AM UTC-7, Moshe Braner wrote:
On 1/23/2023 11:45 AM, Hank Nixon wrote:
...
The only way I have ever seen it work is that someone who has the resources acquires the needed glider and makes it available to members. Commonly this is done by lease back. When we transitioned from a commercial operation to a club, my wife
the enterprise need to step up.I know of a Club in Connecticut that grew the same way. A member bought a 1-26 and made it available and then, when their tug source went away, he bought a Pawnee. The answer is basically someone( or someones) who has resources and a belief in
back arrangements or equity interests in the long run.Those notes can be interest only until such time as the principal can be retired. That worked for our chapter in buying adjoining land for the gliderport. It can certainly work to build the fleet and for a couple of reasons may be better than lease-UHOr, as was done in our club, can pool resources from multiple club members, some more some less as they are willing and able, all loaning money to the club to finance what needs to be financed. The club paid these loans back over several years. Better than having your savings just sitting in the bank losing value to inflation.
club is completely on their own.Frank WhiteleyThe SSA needs to develop a COMPLETE glider club package that includes a club web template, scheduling and accounting software, financing and promotional package. This is a MAJOR hurdle for newbies to navigate. As it is, anybody that wants to start a
helpful if the SSA had something like a framework/template "Articles of Incorporation" for a 501c3 that could be customized to each club's individual needs, basic skeleton by-laws that again could be customized as needed, and a revolving fund orTomI wouldn't say COMPLETELY on their own. We are trying to get something going in NW Montana. We have a core group of people interested, and Frank has been involved and helpful with advise so far. But I do really like your idea, Tom. It would be really
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 10:44:51 AM UTC-5, johngf...@gmail.com wrote:and I leased everything to the club to get going and the club gradually bought the ships one at a time. We still lease our second towplane (Super Cub) to the club.
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 9:28:09 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:21:31 PM UTC-8, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 10:20:50 AM UTC-7, Moshe Braner wrote:
On 1/23/2023 11:45 AM, Hank Nixon wrote:
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The only way I have ever seen it work is that someone who has the resources acquires the needed glider and makes it available to members. Commonly this is done by lease back. When we transitioned from a commercial operation to a club, my wife
in the enterprise need to step up.I know of a Club in Connecticut that grew the same way. A member bought a 1-26 and made it available and then, when their tug source went away, he bought a Pawnee. The answer is basically someone( or someones) who has resources and a belief
lease-back arrangements or equity interests in the long run.Those notes can be interest only until such time as the principal can be retired. That worked for our chapter in buying adjoining land for the gliderport. It can certainly work to build the fleet and for a couple of reasons may be better thanUHOr, as was done in our club, can pool resources from multiple club members, some more some less as they are willing and able, all loaning
money to the club to finance what needs to be financed. The club paid
these loans back over several years. Better than having your savings just sitting in the bank losing value to inflation.
a club is completely on their own.Frank WhiteleyThe SSA needs to develop a COMPLETE glider club package that includes a club web template, scheduling and accounting software, financing and promotional package. This is a MAJOR hurdle for newbies to navigate. As it is, anybody that wants to start
helpful if the SSA had something like a framework/template "Articles of Incorporation" for a 501c3 that could be customized to each club's individual needs, basic skeleton by-laws that again could be customized as needed, and a revolving fund orTomI wouldn't say COMPLETELY on their own. We are trying to get something going in NW Montana. We have a core group of people interested, and Frank has been involved and helpful with advise so far. But I do really like your idea, Tom. It would be really
John, I wish you guys and gals good luck in Montana, I would love to come join the fun. Forget about the template, and the by-laws, create you own by-laws that meet your needs. Each state has an articles of incorporation and the Secretary of Stateoffice can provide you with what you need. As far as the 501c3, it is a federal tax request and you should get an accountant to apply and have a mission purpose in mind.
You may consider a c7 instead of c3, but the c3 will give you the opportunity to solicit funds. my suggestion to you and others is to think out of the box, get creative with your club, MAKE IT FUN! Create a venue that offers opportunity and developyouth members that will carry the torch in the future. Have a plan that will include projects, create social awareness and never be shy about asking for money from the community. OBTP
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 2:04:35 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:wife and I leased everything to the club to get going and the club gradually bought the ships one at a time. We still lease our second towplane (Super Cub) to the club.
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 10:44:51 AM UTC-5, johngf...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 9:28:09 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:21:31 PM UTC-8, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 10:20:50 AM UTC-7, Moshe Braner wrote:
On 1/23/2023 11:45 AM, Hank Nixon wrote:
...
The only way I have ever seen it work is that someone who has the resources acquires the needed glider and makes it available to members. Commonly this is done by lease back. When we transitioned from a commercial operation to a club, my
in the enterprise need to step up.I know of a Club in Connecticut that grew the same way. A member bought a 1-26 and made it available and then, when their tug source went away, he bought a Pawnee. The answer is basically someone( or someones) who has resources and a belief
lease-back arrangements or equity interests in the long run.Those notes can be interest only until such time as the principal can be retired. That worked for our chapter in buying adjoining land for the gliderport. It can certainly work to build the fleet and for a couple of reasons may be better thanUHOr, as was done in our club, can pool resources from multiple club members, some more some less as they are willing and able, all loaning
money to the club to finance what needs to be financed. The club paid
these loans back over several years. Better than having your savings
just sitting in the bank losing value to inflation.
start a club is completely on their own.Frank WhiteleyThe SSA needs to develop a COMPLETE glider club package that includes a club web template, scheduling and accounting software, financing and promotional package. This is a MAJOR hurdle for newbies to navigate. As it is, anybody that wants to
really helpful if the SSA had something like a framework/template "Articles of Incorporation" for a 501c3 that could be customized to each club's individual needs, basic skeleton by-laws that again could be customized as needed, and a revolving fund orTomI wouldn't say COMPLETELY on their own. We are trying to get something going in NW Montana. We have a core group of people interested, and Frank has been involved and helpful with advise so far. But I do really like your idea, Tom. It would be
office can provide you with what you need. As far as the 501c3, it is a federal tax request and you should get an accountant to apply and have a mission purpose in mind.John, I wish you guys and gals good luck in Montana, I would love to come join the fun. Forget about the template, and the by-laws, create you own by-laws that meet your needs. Each state has an articles of incorporation and the Secretary of State
youth members that will carry the torch in the future. Have a plan that will include projects, create social awareness and never be shy about asking for money from the community. OBTPYou may consider a c7 instead of c3, but the c3 will give you the opportunity to solicit funds. my suggestion to you and others is to think out of the box, get creative with your club, MAKE IT FUN! Create a venue that offers opportunity and develop
Thanks for your encouragement, Bob. As I see it, the first step would be to set up an entity to own the bank account that would purchase the club glider. However, even setting up an entity takes money. And if you are not a tax accountant, you willlikely need to hire one, which is not an insignificant expense either. Writing our own by-laws is fine, but having something to work from would make that process much easier--to amend or edit according to our particular needs and mission. It is always
I don't have much of an overview or broad perspective, but soaring in the US seems to be at a tipping point. This is because so many of the people who've made it happen in the last ten years are aging out completely, some wish to 'cut back' on theirhours, and some hold on to become liabilities. I saw an older friend botch his last flight lesson, and I watched another botch his last flight as a tow pilot.
People willing/able to fill these empty shoes are scarce.undercuts their ambitions to fly XC. People flying XC, especially younger XC pilots show aspiring pilots what is possible and that motivates them.
A sustained and intense focus on youth is obviously important, but capable glider pilots in their 20s/30s/40s are naturally focused on careers, life partners, and children. Their soaring time is limited and asking them to instruct and/or fly tow planes
Developing people in their 50s-60s into CFIs, towpilots, and leadership roles seems to make sense because these are people who will have the time to keep things going over the next decade or so. But people of this age tend to be slower learners. Theirtraining consumes resources that produce much quicker results with young pilots. I know student pilots in this age group who have trouble getting enough dual flight time to progress. This is largely because of a shortage of instructor capacity. Some of
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