https://youtu.be/PPBzihGWsg4Good video. OBTP
R
Great video. Too bad there hasn't been much of this sort of coverage since it was made in 2006.The web site no longer exists. Without significant sponsorship to cover the cost of the technology and the helicopters, it's a non-starter. The DVD sales from the first SGP final in Chile did little to offset the $250,000 cost of the helicopter used to
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 8:16:29 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:capture the action. IIRC, the original SGP concept was professional pilots and support from the gaming industry. When that didn't pan out, the FAI got involved (amateur sport). SGP live tracking seems to attract something over 5000 viewers, without the
Great video. Too bad there hasn't been much of this sort of coverage since it was made in 2006.The web site no longer exists. Without significant sponsorship to cover the cost of the technology and the helicopters, it's a non-starter. The DVD sales from the first SGP final in Chile did little to offset the $250,000 cost of the helicopter used to
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 11:57:57 AM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:to capture the action. IIRC, the original SGP concept was professional pilots and support from the gaming industry. When that didn't pan out, the FAI got involved (amateur sport). SGP live tracking seems to attract something over 5000 viewers, without
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 8:16:29 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
Great video. Too bad there hasn't been much of this sort of coverage since it was made in 2006.The web site no longer exists. Without significant sponsorship to cover the cost of the technology and the helicopters, it's a non-starter. The DVD sales from the first SGP final in Chile did little to offset the $250,000 cost of the helicopter used
I’m wondering if the SSA had a hyper-razzle-dazzle video of this level, something to show off, promote gliding in U.S.To R,
Send CDs out all over U.S. Sell the cool. Just pondering, the video sure did get a big wow from me.
R
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 11:57:57 AM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:to capture the action. IIRC, the original SGP concept was professional pilots and support from the gaming industry. When that didn't pan out, the FAI got involved (amateur sport). SGP live tracking seems to attract something over 5000 viewers, without
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 8:16:29 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
Great video. Too bad there hasn't been much of this sort of coverage since it was made in 2006.The web site no longer exists. Without significant sponsorship to cover the cost of the technology and the helicopters, it's a non-starter. The DVD sales from the first SGP final in Chile did little to offset the $250,000 cost of the helicopter used
I’m wondering if the SSA had a hyper-razzle-dazzle video of this level, something to show off, promote gliding in U.S.R-
Send CDs out all over U.S. Sell the cool. Just pondering, the video sure did get a big wow from me.
R
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 2:47:39 PM UTC-7, R wrote:used to capture the action. IIRC, the original SGP concept was professional pilots and support from the gaming industry. When that didn't pan out, the FAI got involved (amateur sport). SGP live tracking seems to attract something over 5000 viewers,
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 11:57:57 AM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 8:16:29 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
Great video. Too bad there hasn't been much of this sort of coverage since it was made in 2006.The web site no longer exists. Without significant sponsorship to cover the cost of the technology and the helicopters, it's a non-starter. The DVD sales from the first SGP final in Chile did little to offset the $250,000 cost of the helicopter
however, North Florida Soaring Society has a running ad on Barnstormers.com.I’m wondering if the SSA had a hyper-razzle-dazzle video of this level, something to show off, promote gliding in U.S.
Send CDs out all over U.S. Sell the cool. Just pondering, the video sure did get a big wow from me.
RR-
SSA has been marketing on social media with some short videos. Although there has yet to be a survey, there are waiting lists for training of up to a year at several soaring sites around the US. So far I haven't found a site asking for more students,
Fran
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 2:47:39 PM UTC-7, R wrote:used to capture the action. IIRC, the original SGP concept was professional pilots and support from the gaming industry. When that didn't pan out, the FAI got involved (amateur sport). SGP live tracking seems to attract something over 5000 viewers,
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 11:57:57 AM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 8:16:29 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
Great video. Too bad there hasn't been much of this sort of coverage since it was made in 2006.The web site no longer exists. Without significant sponsorship to cover the cost of the technology and the helicopters, it's a non-starter. The DVD sales from the first SGP final in Chile did little to offset the $250,000 cost of the helicopter
however, North Florida Soaring Society has a running ad on Barnstormers.com.I’m wondering if the SSA had a hyper-razzle-dazzle video of this level, something to show off, promote gliding in U.S.
Send CDs out all over U.S. Sell the cool. Just pondering, the video sure did get a big wow from me.
RR-
SSA has been marketing on social media with some short videos. Although there has yet to be a survey, there are waiting lists for training of up to a year at several soaring sites around the US. So far I haven't found a site asking for more students,
FrankFrank,
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 3:22:45 PM UTC-8, Frank Whiteley wrote:used to capture the action. IIRC, the original SGP concept was professional pilots and support from the gaming industry. When that didn't pan out, the FAI got involved (amateur sport). SGP live tracking seems to attract something over 5000 viewers,
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 2:47:39 PM UTC-7, R wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 11:57:57 AM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 8:16:29 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
Great video. Too bad there hasn't been much of this sort of coverage since it was made in 2006.The web site no longer exists. Without significant sponsorship to cover the cost of the technology and the helicopters, it's a non-starter. The DVD sales from the first SGP final in Chile did little to offset the $250,000 cost of the helicopter
however, North Florida Soaring Society has a running ad on Barnstormers.com.I’m wondering if the SSA had a hyper-razzle-dazzle video of this level, something to show off, promote gliding in U.S.
Send CDs out all over U.S. Sell the cool. Just pondering, the video sure did get a big wow from me.
RR-
SSA has been marketing on social media with some short videos. Although there has yet to be a survey, there are waiting lists for training of up to a year at several soaring sites around the US. So far I haven't found a site asking for more students,
The biggest issue my club has is instructor availability.. We’re working on a solution.FrankFrank,
Are the waiting lists a capacity issue or something else? High demand and low supply of instructors and/or gliders? Limited outfits (club or commercial) providing the training?
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 6:22:45 PM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:used to capture the action. IIRC, the original SGP concept was professional pilots and support from the gaming industry. When that didn't pan out, the FAI got involved (amateur sport). SGP live tracking seems to attract something over 5000 viewers,
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 2:47:39 PM UTC-7, R wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 11:57:57 AM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 8:16:29 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
Great video. Too bad there hasn't been much of this sort of coverage since it was made in 2006.The web site no longer exists. Without significant sponsorship to cover the cost of the technology and the helicopters, it's a non-starter. The DVD sales from the first SGP final in Chile did little to offset the $250,000 cost of the helicopter
however, North Florida Soaring Society has a running ad on Barnstormers.com.I’m wondering if the SSA had a hyper-razzle-dazzle video of this level, something to show off, promote gliding in U.S.
Send CDs out all over U.S. Sell the cool. Just pondering, the video sure did get a big wow from me.
RR-
SSA has been marketing on social media with some short videos. Although there has yet to be a survey, there are waiting lists for training of up to a year at several soaring sites around the US. So far I haven't found a site asking for more students,
product…gliding is simply not ‘out there’. Made achievable. But if schools are backed up….no sense promoting to only have people disappointed waiting.FranInteresting….If true…the conduit feeding members into the sport is broken or inefficient, so it seems. A Marketing Promotional Czar is needed. Take charge person…..maybe the FTX guy who sold 5 Billion$ crypto$ to knuckleheads. It’s not the
So, the question is,,,what is needed?The Train is off the track, get the Train back on the track! OBTP
R
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 6:22:45 PM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:used to capture the action. IIRC, the original SGP concept was professional pilots and support from the gaming industry. When that didn't pan out, the FAI got involved (amateur sport). SGP live tracking seems to attract something over 5000 viewers,
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 2:47:39 PM UTC-7, R wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 11:57:57 AM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 8:16:29 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
Great video. Too bad there hasn't been much of this sort of coverage since it was made in 2006.The web site no longer exists. Without significant sponsorship to cover the cost of the technology and the helicopters, it's a non-starter. The DVD sales from the first SGP final in Chile did little to offset the $250,000 cost of the helicopter
however, North Florida Soaring Society has a running ad on Barnstormers.com.I’m wondering if the SSA had a hyper-razzle-dazzle video of this level, something to show off, promote gliding in U.S.
Send CDs out all over U.S. Sell the cool. Just pondering, the video sure did get a big wow from me.
RR-
SSA has been marketing on social media with some short videos. Although there has yet to be a survey, there are waiting lists for training of up to a year at several soaring sites around the US. So far I haven't found a site asking for more students,
product…gliding is simply not ‘out there’. Made achievable. But if schools are backed up….no sense promoting to only have people disappointed waiting.FranInteresting….If true…the conduit feeding members into the sport is broken or inefficient, so it seems. A Marketing Promotional Czar is needed. Take charge person…..maybe the FTX guy who sold 5 Billion$ crypto$ to knuckleheads. It’s not the
So, the question is,,,what is needed?When people have to wait up to a year to get training, they are likely to find another interest. Growing more instructors would help as it seems to be a choke point. I had a long chat with Bob Wander recently and he suggests providing a more
R
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 3:22:45 PM UTC-8, Frank Whiteley wrote:used to capture the action. IIRC, the original SGP concept was professional pilots and support from the gaming industry. When that didn't pan out, the FAI got involved (amateur sport). SGP live tracking seems to attract something over 5000 viewers,
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 2:47:39 PM UTC-7, R wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 11:57:57 AM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 8:16:29 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
Great video. Too bad there hasn't been much of this sort of coverage since it was made in 2006.The web site no longer exists. Without significant sponsorship to cover the cost of the technology and the helicopters, it's a non-starter. The DVD sales from the first SGP final in Chile did little to offset the $250,000 cost of the helicopter
however, North Florida Soaring Society has a running ad on Barnstormers.com.I’m wondering if the SSA had a hyper-razzle-dazzle video of this level, something to show off, promote gliding in U.S.
Send CDs out all over U.S. Sell the cool. Just pondering, the video sure did get a big wow from me.
RR-
SSA has been marketing on social media with some short videos. Although there has yet to be a survey, there are waiting lists for training of up to a year at several soaring sites around the US. So far I haven't found a site asking for more students,
It's a mix. In a club/chapter, operating more days may be an option. The soaring season varies by latitude, so some operations may operate more intensely for a few months. Sugarbush Soaring schedules Youth Camps during the summer and offers ab-initioFrankFrank,
Are the waiting lists a capacity issue or something else? High demand and low supply of instructors and/or gliders? Limited outfits (club or commercial) providing the training?
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 6:05:52 PM UTC-7, R wrote:used to capture the action. IIRC, the original SGP concept was professional pilots and support from the gaming industry. When that didn't pan out, the FAI got involved (amateur sport). SGP live tracking seems to attract something over 5000 viewers,
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 6:22:45 PM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 2:47:39 PM UTC-7, R wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 11:57:57 AM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 8:16:29 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
Great video. Too bad there hasn't been much of this sort of coverage since it was made in 2006.The web site no longer exists. Without significant sponsorship to cover the cost of the technology and the helicopters, it's a non-starter. The DVD sales from the first SGP final in Chile did little to offset the $250,000 cost of the helicopter
students, however, North Florida Soaring Society has a running ad on Barnstormers.com.I’m wondering if the SSA had a hyper-razzle-dazzle video of this level, something to show off, promote gliding in U.S.
Send CDs out all over U.S. Sell the cool. Just pondering, the video sure did get a big wow from me.
RR-
SSA has been marketing on social media with some short videos. Although there has yet to be a survey, there are waiting lists for training of up to a year at several soaring sites around the US. So far I haven't found a site asking for more
product…gliding is simply not ‘out there’. Made achievable. But if schools are backed up….no sense promoting to only have people disappointed waiting.FranInteresting….If true…the conduit feeding members into the sport is broken or inefficient, so it seems. A Marketing Promotional Czar is needed. Take charge person…..maybe the FTX guy who sold 5 Billion$ crypto$ to knuckleheads. It’s not the
professional training environment is important, whether in a club or commercial operation, and something which is being done at Minnesota Soaring Club by moving some of the training away from the weekend. Instructor burn-out is also an issue to keep inSo, the question is,,,what is needed?
RWhen people have to wait up to a year to get training, they are likely to find another interest. Growing more instructors would help as it seems to be a choke point. I had a long chat with Bob Wander recently and he suggests providing a more
FrankSo moving youth training away from the weekend, when that is the only time they have available, will do what? Adding new glider pilots to the sport is fundamental for the survival and growth. My observation is that they are coming from the younger age
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 9:58:18 PM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:helicopter used to capture the action. IIRC, the original SGP concept was professional pilots and support from the gaming industry. When that didn't pan out, the FAI got involved (amateur sport). SGP live tracking seems to attract something over 5000
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 6:05:52 PM UTC-7, R wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 6:22:45 PM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 2:47:39 PM UTC-7, R wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 11:57:57 AM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 8:16:29 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
Great video. Too bad there hasn't been much of this sort of coverage since it was made in 2006.The web site no longer exists. Without significant sponsorship to cover the cost of the technology and the helicopters, it's a non-starter. The DVD sales from the first SGP final in Chile did little to offset the $250,000 cost of the
students, however, North Florida Soaring Society has a running ad on Barnstormers.com.I’m wondering if the SSA had a hyper-razzle-dazzle video of this level, something to show off, promote gliding in U.S.
Send CDs out all over U.S. Sell the cool. Just pondering, the video sure did get a big wow from me.
RR-
SSA has been marketing on social media with some short videos. Although there has yet to be a survey, there are waiting lists for training of up to a year at several soaring sites around the US. So far I haven't found a site asking for more
product…gliding is simply not ‘out there’. Made achievable. But if schools are backed up….no sense promoting to only have people disappointed waiting.FranInteresting….If true…the conduit feeding members into the sport is broken or inefficient, so it seems. A Marketing Promotional Czar is needed. Take charge person…..maybe the FTX guy who sold 5 Billion$ crypto$ to knuckleheads. It’s not the
professional training environment is important, whether in a club or commercial operation, and something which is being done at Minnesota Soaring Club by moving some of the training away from the weekend. Instructor burn-out is also an issue to keep inSo, the question is,,,what is needed?
RWhen people have to wait up to a year to get training, they are likely to find another interest. Growing more instructors would help as it seems to be a choke point. I had a long chat with Bob Wander recently and he suggests providing a more
groups like in our case 13 to 25 years. This hasn't happened by mistake, but rather by design. OBTPFrankSo moving youth training away from the weekend, when that is the only time they have available, will do what? Adding new glider pilots to the sport is fundamental for the survival and growth. My observation is that they are coming from the younger age
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 8:19:46 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:helicopter used to capture the action. IIRC, the original SGP concept was professional pilots and support from the gaming industry. When that didn't pan out, the FAI got involved (amateur sport). SGP live tracking seems to attract something over 5000
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 9:58:18 PM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 6:05:52 PM UTC-7, R wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 6:22:45 PM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 2:47:39 PM UTC-7, R wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 11:57:57 AM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 8:16:29 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
Great video. Too bad there hasn't been much of this sort of coverage since it was made in 2006.The web site no longer exists. Without significant sponsorship to cover the cost of the technology and the helicopters, it's a non-starter. The DVD sales from the first SGP final in Chile did little to offset the $250,000 cost of the
students, however, North Florida Soaring Society has a running ad on Barnstormers.com.I’m wondering if the SSA had a hyper-razzle-dazzle video of this level, something to show off, promote gliding in U.S.
Send CDs out all over U.S. Sell the cool. Just pondering, the video sure did get a big wow from me.
RR-
SSA has been marketing on social media with some short videos. Although there has yet to be a survey, there are waiting lists for training of up to a year at several soaring sites around the US. So far I haven't found a site asking for more
the product…gliding is simply not ‘out there’. Made achievable. But if schools are backed up….no sense promoting to only have people disappointed waiting.FranInteresting….If true…the conduit feeding members into the sport is broken or inefficient, so it seems. A Marketing Promotional Czar is needed. Take charge person…..maybe the FTX guy who sold 5 Billion$ crypto$ to knuckleheads. It’s not
professional training environment is important, whether in a club or commercial operation, and something which is being done at Minnesota Soaring Club by moving some of the training away from the weekend. Instructor burn-out is also an issue to keep inSo, the question is,,,what is needed?
RWhen people have to wait up to a year to get training, they are likely to find another interest. Growing more instructors would help as it seems to be a choke point. I had a long chat with Bob Wander recently and he suggests providing a more
age groups like in our case 13 to 25 years. This hasn't happened by mistake, but rather by design. OBTPFrankSo moving youth training away from the weekend, when that is the only time they have available, will do what? Adding new glider pilots to the sport is fundamental for the survival and growth. My observation is that they are coming from the younger
The chapter I mentioned operates mostly during the summer soaring season. Soaring in WI, Minnesota, and Illinois usually commences the first part of April and a few start in early May. By the time members get their annual checks and currency out of theway, school's out and young people may be available during the week until August or September. One of the CFI-Gs involved says it allows them to give full attention to the student rather than jumping from student to student on the weekends, resulting in
FrankConsider this, old people like the two of us have enjoyed the sport for years and have seen the decline in activity starting back in the early 80"s. I have a wonderful scrap book that depicts the exact same scenario that we see today, a bunch of elder
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:45:39 PM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:helicopter used to capture the action. IIRC, the original SGP concept was professional pilots and support from the gaming industry. When that didn't pan out, the FAI got involved (amateur sport). SGP live tracking seems to attract something over 5000
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 8:19:46 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 9:58:18 PM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 6:05:52 PM UTC-7, R wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 6:22:45 PM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 2:47:39 PM UTC-7, R wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 11:57:57 AM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 8:16:29 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
Great video. Too bad there hasn't been much of this sort of coverage since it was made in 2006.The web site no longer exists. Without significant sponsorship to cover the cost of the technology and the helicopters, it's a non-starter. The DVD sales from the first SGP final in Chile did little to offset the $250,000 cost of the
students, however, North Florida Soaring Society has a running ad on Barnstormers.com.I’m wondering if the SSA had a hyper-razzle-dazzle video of this level, something to show off, promote gliding in U.S.
Send CDs out all over U.S. Sell the cool. Just pondering, the video sure did get a big wow from me.
RR-
SSA has been marketing on social media with some short videos. Although there has yet to be a survey, there are waiting lists for training of up to a year at several soaring sites around the US. So far I haven't found a site asking for more
the product…gliding is simply not ‘out there’. Made achievable. But if schools are backed up….no sense promoting to only have people disappointed waiting.FranInteresting….If true…the conduit feeding members into the sport is broken or inefficient, so it seems. A Marketing Promotional Czar is needed. Take charge person…..maybe the FTX guy who sold 5 Billion$ crypto$ to knuckleheads. It’s not
professional training environment is important, whether in a club or commercial operation, and something which is being done at Minnesota Soaring Club by moving some of the training away from the weekend. Instructor burn-out is also an issue to keep inSo, the question is,,,what is needed?
RWhen people have to wait up to a year to get training, they are likely to find another interest. Growing more instructors would help as it seems to be a choke point. I had a long chat with Bob Wander recently and he suggests providing a more
age groups like in our case 13 to 25 years. This hasn't happened by mistake, but rather by design. OBTPFrankSo moving youth training away from the weekend, when that is the only time they have available, will do what? Adding new glider pilots to the sport is fundamental for the survival and growth. My observation is that they are coming from the younger
the way, school's out and young people may be available during the week until August or September. One of the CFI-Gs involved says it allows them to give full attention to the student rather than jumping from student to student on the weekends, resultingThe chapter I mentioned operates mostly during the summer soaring season. Soaring in WI, Minnesota, and Illinois usually commences the first part of April and a few start in early May. By the time members get their annual checks and currency out of
guys sitting at the gliderport with a couple of young guys there, those guys would be myself and Scott Bingham, Burt Compton, and Eileen. Since that time glider operations have close in several place in Florida, Naples, Labelle, Arcadia, Kendall,FrankConsider this, old people like the two of us have enjoyed the sport for years and have seen the decline in activity starting back in the early 80"s. I have a wonderful scrap book that depicts the exact same scenario that we see today, a bunch of elder
Youth today is a different animal compared to what it was 45 years ago, my observation indicates that most youth would rather sit on the couch watching videos or texting with their friends, I know you get the picture, we could make an entirely newthread to discuss the youth of today in our sport, but not all is lost as we might think. The key is finding the potential individual and getting that or those individuals involved. Our club has been very successful, probably the most successful over the
We can all sit back and be armchair quarterbacks, second guess every decision yet make little or no effort to change the outcome. Being proactive and developing the correct program is key toward the future of developing new glider pilots. If you thinkthis is impossible you may just ask R what he experienced sitting under the oak tree. OBTP
To R,the young and the willing. I go to schools and talk to kids, and we get new participants. We post pictures in a local Facebook page and we get new kids interested in soaring. The target is the young, that is the largest opportunity for growth, do a youth
I really don't think that a video like this would make much difference in the participation of soaring in this country. Take a look at the video, how many young people do you see ? The key to promoting soaring in this country lies at the grass roots,
On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 1:20:14 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:helicopter used to capture the action. IIRC, the original SGP concept was professional pilots and support from the gaming industry. When that didn't pan out, the FAI got involved (amateur sport). SGP live tracking seems to attract something over 5000
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:45:39 PM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 8:19:46 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 9:58:18 PM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 6:05:52 PM UTC-7, R wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 6:22:45 PM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 2:47:39 PM UTC-7, R wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 11:57:57 AM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 8:16:29 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
Great video. Too bad there hasn't been much of this sort of coverage since it was made in 2006.The web site no longer exists. Without significant sponsorship to cover the cost of the technology and the helicopters, it's a non-starter. The DVD sales from the first SGP final in Chile did little to offset the $250,000 cost of the
students, however, North Florida Soaring Society has a running ad on Barnstormers.com.I’m wondering if the SSA had a hyper-razzle-dazzle video of this level, something to show off, promote gliding in U.S.
Send CDs out all over U.S. Sell the cool. Just pondering, the video sure did get a big wow from me.
RR-
SSA has been marketing on social media with some short videos. Although there has yet to be a survey, there are waiting lists for training of up to a year at several soaring sites around the US. So far I haven't found a site asking for more
not the product…gliding is simply not ‘out there’. Made achievable. But if schools are backed up….no sense promoting to only have people disappointed waiting.FranInteresting….If true…the conduit feeding members into the sport is broken or inefficient, so it seems. A Marketing Promotional Czar is needed. Take charge person…..maybe the FTX guy who sold 5 Billion$ crypto$ to knuckleheads. It’s
professional training environment is important, whether in a club or commercial operation, and something which is being done at Minnesota Soaring Club by moving some of the training away from the weekend. Instructor burn-out is also an issue to keep inSo, the question is,,,what is needed?
RWhen people have to wait up to a year to get training, they are likely to find another interest. Growing more instructors would help as it seems to be a choke point. I had a long chat with Bob Wander recently and he suggests providing a more
younger age groups like in our case 13 to 25 years. This hasn't happened by mistake, but rather by design. OBTPFrankSo moving youth training away from the weekend, when that is the only time they have available, will do what? Adding new glider pilots to the sport is fundamental for the survival and growth. My observation is that they are coming from the
the way, school's out and young people may be available during the week until August or September. One of the CFI-Gs involved says it allows them to give full attention to the student rather than jumping from student to student on the weekends, resultingThe chapter I mentioned operates mostly during the summer soaring season. Soaring in WI, Minnesota, and Illinois usually commences the first part of April and a few start in early May. By the time members get their annual checks and currency out of
elder guys sitting at the gliderport with a couple of young guys there, those guys would be myself and Scott Bingham, Burt Compton, and Eileen. Since that time glider operations have close in several place in Florida, Naples, Labelle, Arcadia, Kendall,FrankConsider this, old people like the two of us have enjoyed the sport for years and have seen the decline in activity starting back in the early 80"s. I have a wonderful scrap book that depicts the exact same scenario that we see today, a bunch of
thread to discuss the youth of today in our sport, but not all is lost as we might think. The key is finding the potential individual and getting that or those individuals involved. Our club has been very successful, probably the most successful over theYouth today is a different animal compared to what it was 45 years ago, my observation indicates that most youth would rather sit on the couch watching videos or texting with their friends, I know you get the picture, we could make an entirely new
think this is impossible you may just ask R what he experienced sitting under the oak tree. OBTPWe can all sit back and be armchair quarterbacks, second guess every decision yet make little or no effort to change the outcome. Being proactive and developing the correct program is key toward the future of developing new glider pilots. If you
Your most recent 14yo solo is not an SSA member. There are several successful programs engaging youth and a couple that have turned out 17yo tow pilots. Yes, local effort is paramount and can generate outstanding results. However, it can't be the workof one or two individuals and requires both a vision and a commitment to that long term vision on the part of the organization. Several clubs are not willing to make that commitment.
FrankThanks Frank I will check on that, I do think that our program is more than one or two individuals as you have outlined, it is probably much more successful than the collegiate program, how many new glider pilots has it put forward?
On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 5:45:56 PM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:helicopter used to capture the action. IIRC, the original SGP concept was professional pilots and support from the gaming industry. When that didn't pan out, the FAI got involved (amateur sport). SGP live tracking seems to attract something over 5000
On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 1:20:14 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:45:39 PM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 8:19:46 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 9:58:18 PM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 6:05:52 PM UTC-7, R wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 6:22:45 PM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 2:47:39 PM UTC-7, R wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 11:57:57 AM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 8:16:29 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
Great video. Too bad there hasn't been much of this sort of coverage since it was made in 2006.The web site no longer exists. Without significant sponsorship to cover the cost of the technology and the helicopters, it's a non-starter. The DVD sales from the first SGP final in Chile did little to offset the $250,000 cost of the
more students, however, North Florida Soaring Society has a running ad on Barnstormers.com.I’m wondering if the SSA had a hyper-razzle-dazzle video of this level, something to show off, promote gliding in U.S.
Send CDs out all over U.S. Sell the cool. Just pondering, the video sure did get a big wow from me.
RR-
SSA has been marketing on social media with some short videos. Although there has yet to be a survey, there are waiting lists for training of up to a year at several soaring sites around the US. So far I haven't found a site asking for
not the product…gliding is simply not ‘out there’. Made achievable. But if schools are backed up….no sense promoting to only have people disappointed waiting.FranInteresting….If true…the conduit feeding members into the sport is broken or inefficient, so it seems. A Marketing Promotional Czar is needed. Take charge person…..maybe the FTX guy who sold 5 Billion$ crypto$ to knuckleheads. It’s
professional training environment is important, whether in a club or commercial operation, and something which is being done at Minnesota Soaring Club by moving some of the training away from the weekend. Instructor burn-out is also an issue to keep inSo, the question is,,,what is needed?
RWhen people have to wait up to a year to get training, they are likely to find another interest. Growing more instructors would help as it seems to be a choke point. I had a long chat with Bob Wander recently and he suggests providing a more
younger age groups like in our case 13 to 25 years. This hasn't happened by mistake, but rather by design. OBTPFrankSo moving youth training away from the weekend, when that is the only time they have available, will do what? Adding new glider pilots to the sport is fundamental for the survival and growth. My observation is that they are coming from the
of the way, school's out and young people may be available during the week until August or September. One of the CFI-Gs involved says it allows them to give full attention to the student rather than jumping from student to student on the weekends,The chapter I mentioned operates mostly during the summer soaring season. Soaring in WI, Minnesota, and Illinois usually commences the first part of April and a few start in early May. By the time members get their annual checks and currency out
elder guys sitting at the gliderport with a couple of young guys there, those guys would be myself and Scott Bingham, Burt Compton, and Eileen. Since that time glider operations have close in several place in Florida, Naples, Labelle, Arcadia, Kendall,FrankConsider this, old people like the two of us have enjoyed the sport for years and have seen the decline in activity starting back in the early 80"s. I have a wonderful scrap book that depicts the exact same scenario that we see today, a bunch of
thread to discuss the youth of today in our sport, but not all is lost as we might think. The key is finding the potential individual and getting that or those individuals involved. Our club has been very successful, probably the most successful over theYouth today is a different animal compared to what it was 45 years ago, my observation indicates that most youth would rather sit on the couch watching videos or texting with their friends, I know you get the picture, we could make an entirely new
think this is impossible you may just ask R what he experienced sitting under the oak tree. OBTPWe can all sit back and be armchair quarterbacks, second guess every decision yet make little or no effort to change the outcome. Being proactive and developing the correct program is key toward the future of developing new glider pilots. If you
work of one or two individuals and requires both a vision and a commitment to that long term vision on the part of the organization. Several clubs are not willing to make that commitment.Your most recent 14yo solo is not an SSA member. There are several successful programs engaging youth and a couple that have turned out 17yo tow pilots. Yes, local effort is paramount and can generate outstanding results. However, it can't be the
Risk management attorneys have not been kind to university soaring programs or other risk averse activities.FrankThanks Frank I will check on that, I do think that our program is more than one or two individuals as you have outlined, it is probably much more successful than the collegiate program, how many new glider pilots has it put forward?
the young and the willing. I go to schools and talk to kids, and we get new participants. We post pictures in a local Facebook page and we get new kids interested in soaring. The target is the young, that is the largest opportunity for growth, do a youthTo R,
I really don't think that a video like this would make much difference in the participation of soaring in this country. Take a look at the video, how many young people do you see ? The key to promoting soaring in this country lies at the grass roots,
Look at this video.And another.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bms_xmODCc4
UH
On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 4:43:54 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:the helicopter used to capture the action. IIRC, the original SGP concept was professional pilots and support from the gaming industry. When that didn't pan out, the FAI got involved (amateur sport). SGP live tracking seems to attract something over 5000
On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 5:45:56 PM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 1:20:14 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:45:39 PM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 8:19:46 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 9:58:18 PM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 6:05:52 PM UTC-7, R wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 6:22:45 PM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 2:47:39 PM UTC-7, R wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 11:57:57 AM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 8:16:29 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
Great video. Too bad there hasn't been much of this sort of coverage since it was made in 2006.The web site no longer exists. Without significant sponsorship to cover the cost of the technology and the helicopters, it's a non-starter. The DVD sales from the first SGP final in Chile did little to offset the $250,000 cost of
more students, however, North Florida Soaring Society has a running ad on Barnstormers.com.I’m wondering if the SSA had a hyper-razzle-dazzle video of this level, something to show off, promote gliding in U.S.
Send CDs out all over U.S. Sell the cool. Just pondering, the video sure did get a big wow from me.
RR-
SSA has been marketing on social media with some short videos. Although there has yet to be a survey, there are waiting lists for training of up to a year at several soaring sites around the US. So far I haven't found a site asking for
s not the product…gliding is simply not ‘out there’. Made achievable. But if schools are backed up….no sense promoting to only have people disappointed waiting.FranInteresting….If true…the conduit feeding members into the sport is broken or inefficient, so it seems. A Marketing Promotional Czar is needed. Take charge person…..maybe the FTX guy who sold 5 Billion$ crypto$ to knuckleheads. It’
more professional training environment is important, whether in a club or commercial operation, and something which is being done at Minnesota Soaring Club by moving some of the training away from the weekend. Instructor burn-out is also an issue to keepSo, the question is,,,what is needed?
RWhen people have to wait up to a year to get training, they are likely to find another interest. Growing more instructors would help as it seems to be a choke point. I had a long chat with Bob Wander recently and he suggests providing a
younger age groups like in our case 13 to 25 years. This hasn't happened by mistake, but rather by design. OBTPFrankSo moving youth training away from the weekend, when that is the only time they have available, will do what? Adding new glider pilots to the sport is fundamental for the survival and growth. My observation is that they are coming from the
out of the way, school's out and young people may be available during the week until August or September. One of the CFI-Gs involved says it allows them to give full attention to the student rather than jumping from student to student on the weekends,The chapter I mentioned operates mostly during the summer soaring season. Soaring in WI, Minnesota, and Illinois usually commences the first part of April and a few start in early May. By the time members get their annual checks and currency
elder guys sitting at the gliderport with a couple of young guys there, those guys would be myself and Scott Bingham, Burt Compton, and Eileen. Since that time glider operations have close in several place in Florida, Naples, Labelle, Arcadia, Kendall,FrankConsider this, old people like the two of us have enjoyed the sport for years and have seen the decline in activity starting back in the early 80"s. I have a wonderful scrap book that depicts the exact same scenario that we see today, a bunch of
new thread to discuss the youth of today in our sport, but not all is lost as we might think. The key is finding the potential individual and getting that or those individuals involved. Our club has been very successful, probably the most successful overYouth today is a different animal compared to what it was 45 years ago, my observation indicates that most youth would rather sit on the couch watching videos or texting with their friends, I know you get the picture, we could make an entirely
think this is impossible you may just ask R what he experienced sitting under the oak tree. OBTPWe can all sit back and be armchair quarterbacks, second guess every decision yet make little or no effort to change the outcome. Being proactive and developing the correct program is key toward the future of developing new glider pilots. If you
work of one or two individuals and requires both a vision and a commitment to that long term vision on the part of the organization. Several clubs are not willing to make that commitment.Your most recent 14yo solo is not an SSA member. There are several successful programs engaging youth and a couple that have turned out 17yo tow pilots. Yes, local effort is paramount and can generate outstanding results. However, it can't be the
Thanks for bringing the membership to my attention, as of this moment Tyler is a youth member, his father the instructor is a full member. Please double check and make sure that I have the correct information. So I would assume that the collegiateRisk management attorneys have not been kind to university soaring programs or other risk averse activities.FrankThanks Frank I will check on that, I do think that our program is more than one or two individuals as you have outlined, it is probably much more successful than the collegiate program, how many new glider pilots has it put forward?
On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 6:31:35 PM UTC-5, Hank Nixon wrote:roots, the young and the willing. I go to schools and talk to kids, and we get new participants. We post pictures in a local Facebook page and we get new kids interested in soaring. The target is the young, that is the largest opportunity for growth, do
To R,
I really don't think that a video like this would make much difference in the participation of soaring in this country. Take a look at the video, how many young people do you see ? The key to promoting soaring in this country lies at the grass
UH, we have used this video to attract young potential pilots to our program, I have show this at schools and civic events, it has created interest for our club. Just a note, this year we have been very successful with our youth program and I will shareLook at this video.And another.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bms_xmODCc4
UH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90MLtk7jOZs
On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:17:17 PM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:the helicopter used to capture the action. IIRC, the original SGP concept was professional pilots and support from the gaming industry. When that didn't pan out, the FAI got involved (amateur sport). SGP live tracking seems to attract something over 5000
On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 4:43:54 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 5:45:56 PM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 1:20:14 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:45:39 PM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 8:19:46 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 9:58:18 PM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 6:05:52 PM UTC-7, R wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 6:22:45 PM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 2:47:39 PM UTC-7, R wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 11:57:57 AM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 8:16:29 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
Great video. Too bad there hasn't been much of this sort of coverage since it was made in 2006.The web site no longer exists. Without significant sponsorship to cover the cost of the technology and the helicopters, it's a non-starter. The DVD sales from the first SGP final in Chile did little to offset the $250,000 cost of
for more students, however, North Florida Soaring Society has a running ad on Barnstormers.com.I’m wondering if the SSA had a hyper-razzle-dazzle video of this level, something to show off, promote gliding in U.S.
Send CDs out all over U.S. Sell the cool. Just pondering, the video sure did get a big wow from me.
RR-
SSA has been marketing on social media with some short videos. Although there has yet to be a survey, there are waiting lists for training of up to a year at several soaring sites around the US. So far I haven't found a site asking
™s not the product…gliding is simply not ‘out there’. Made achievable. But if schools are backed up….no sense promoting to only have people disappointed waiting.FranInteresting….If true…the conduit feeding members into the sport is broken or inefficient, so it seems. A Marketing Promotional Czar is needed. Take charge person…..maybe the FTX guy who sold 5 Billion$ crypto$ to knuckleheads. Itâ€
more professional training environment is important, whether in a club or commercial operation, and something which is being done at Minnesota Soaring Club by moving some of the training away from the weekend. Instructor burn-out is also an issue to keepSo, the question is,,,what is needed?
RWhen people have to wait up to a year to get training, they are likely to find another interest. Growing more instructors would help as it seems to be a choke point. I had a long chat with Bob Wander recently and he suggests providing a
younger age groups like in our case 13 to 25 years. This hasn't happened by mistake, but rather by design. OBTPFrankSo moving youth training away from the weekend, when that is the only time they have available, will do what? Adding new glider pilots to the sport is fundamental for the survival and growth. My observation is that they are coming from the
out of the way, school's out and young people may be available during the week until August or September. One of the CFI-Gs involved says it allows them to give full attention to the student rather than jumping from student to student on the weekends,The chapter I mentioned operates mostly during the summer soaring season. Soaring in WI, Minnesota, and Illinois usually commences the first part of April and a few start in early May. By the time members get their annual checks and currency
of elder guys sitting at the gliderport with a couple of young guys there, those guys would be myself and Scott Bingham, Burt Compton, and Eileen. Since that time glider operations have close in several place in Florida, Naples, Labelle, Arcadia, Kendall,FrankConsider this, old people like the two of us have enjoyed the sport for years and have seen the decline in activity starting back in the early 80"s. I have a wonderful scrap book that depicts the exact same scenario that we see today, a bunch
new thread to discuss the youth of today in our sport, but not all is lost as we might think. The key is finding the potential individual and getting that or those individuals involved. Our club has been very successful, probably the most successful overYouth today is a different animal compared to what it was 45 years ago, my observation indicates that most youth would rather sit on the couch watching videos or texting with their friends, I know you get the picture, we could make an entirely
you think this is impossible you may just ask R what he experienced sitting under the oak tree. OBTPWe can all sit back and be armchair quarterbacks, second guess every decision yet make little or no effort to change the outcome. Being proactive and developing the correct program is key toward the future of developing new glider pilots. If
work of one or two individuals and requires both a vision and a commitment to that long term vision on the part of the organization. Several clubs are not willing to make that commitment.Your most recent 14yo solo is not an SSA member. There are several successful programs engaging youth and a couple that have turned out 17yo tow pilots. Yes, local effort is paramount and can generate outstanding results. However, it can't be the
program has a quantitative number of zero? OBTPThanks for bringing the membership to my attention, as of this moment Tyler is a youth member, his father the instructor is a full member. Please double check and make sure that I have the correct information. So I would assume that the collegiateRisk management attorneys have not been kind to university soaring programs or other risk averse activities.FrankThanks Frank I will check on that, I do think that our program is more than one or two individuals as you have outlined, it is probably much more successful than the collegiate program, how many new glider pilots has it put forward?
the young and the willing. I go to schools and talk to kids, and we get new participants. We post pictures in a local Facebook page and we get new kids interested in soaring. The target is the young, that is the largest opportunity for growth, do a youthTo R,
I really don't think that a video like this would make much difference in the participation of soaring in this country. Take a look at the video, how many young people do you see ? The key to promoting soaring in this country lies at the grass roots,
Look at this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bms_xmODCc4
UH
On 2022-11-23 17:31, Hank Nixon wrote:the young and the willing. I go to schools and talk to kids, and we get new participants. We post pictures in a local Facebook page and we get new kids interested in soaring. The target is the young, that is the largest opportunity for growth, do a
To R,
I really don't think that a video like this would make much difference in the participation of soaring in this country. Take a look at the video, how many young people do you see ? The key to promoting soaring in this country lies at the grass roots,
Appears to be universally shareable across social media and I was able to add the URL to a playlist.Look at this video."Contents made for kids", so I can't save it to the 'Soaring' playlist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bms_xmODCc4
UH
in my YouTube. Why? What's the purpose? Advertise and limit it at the
same time? Am I missing some smart idea behind it?
Appears to be universally shareable across social media and I was able to add the URL to a playlist."Contents made for kids", so I can't save it to the 'Soaring' playlist
Look at this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bms_xmODCc4
UH
in my YouTube. Why? What's the purpose? Advertise and limit it at the
same time? Am I missing some smart idea behind it?
Take a look at this series of short videos posted by 'Glide Britain' on YouTube:some traffic going rather than hoping that an interested party finds that video in an elaborate search.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQFO13prSR4
I think they are well made. There are some generic ones and then some which seem to focus on a particular club. If the clubs here could produce a short intro video like this which then is linked on the SSA 'Where to Fly' website, I think that could get
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