Both Sugarbush and Lake Placid are well known in the East
as wave sites able to provide 5000 m gains and frequent
wave to lower levels.
Though I have made occasional sorties at Lake Placid in wave,
I have never been adventurous enough to go more than 30 km
from the site.
In recent weeks , Goes E has shown images of lennies extending
from NY state into Maine, which appear to provide a highway
for a long distance G and R flight.
Has anyone attempted such an excursion?

John Firth,(an old no longer bold pilot)

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On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 12:08:03 PM UTC-5, john firth wrote:

Both Sugarbush and Lake Placid are well known in the East
as wave sites able to provide 5000 m gains and frequent
wave to lower levels.
Though I have made occasional sorties at Lake Placid in wave,
I have never been adventurous enough to go more than 30 km
from the site.
In recent weeks , Goes E has shown images of lennies extending
from NY state into Maine, which appear to provide a highway
for a long distance G and R flight.
Has anyone attempted such an excursion?

John Firth,(an old no longer bold pilot)

Back in the 1960's and '70's Mike Stevenson had several wave XC expeditions to try and go XC from North Conway, NH to the South and later for long distance XC flights out West starting from the Sangre de Christo range. He flew a 2-32, had his own Cessna
206 tow plane, and hired Grayson Brown to fly a 1-34 as a fore runner/sniffer for him. I think he was limited by Class A airspace at the time, which IIRC was 24K'. I don't think his ventures bore any fruit, though he did try for several years. With
the advent of SkySight and accurate wave predictions linked to flight computers now, I think that this kind of flight would be more possible, but ATC coordination for Class A airspace use in the Northeast corridor could be problematic.

RO

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On 11/17/2022 1:41 PM, mrop...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 12:08:03 PM UTC-5, john firth wrote:

Both Sugarbush and Lake Placid are well known in the East
as wave sites able to provide 5000 m gains and frequent
wave to lower levels.
Though I have made occasional sorties at Lake Placid in wave,
I have never been adventurous enough to go more than 30 km
from the site.
In recent weeks , Goes E has shown images of lennies extending
from NY state into Maine, which appear to provide a highway
for a long distance G and R flight.
Has anyone attempted such an excursion?

John Firth,(an old no longer bold pilot)

Back in the 1960's and '70's Mike Stevenson had several wave XC expeditions to try and go XC from North Conway, NH to the South and later for long distance XC flights out West starting from the Sangre de Christo range. He flew a 2-32, had his own

Cessna 206 tow plane, and hired Grayson Brown to fly a 1-34 as a fore runner/sniffer for him. I think he was limited by Class A airspace at the time, which IIRC was 24K'. I don't think his ventures bore any fruit, though he did try for several years.
With the advent of SkySight and accurate wave predictions linked to flight computers now, I think that this kind of flight would be more possible, but ATC coordination for Class A airspace use in the Northeast corridor could be problematic.

RO

It's hard enough to arrange Class A clearance even to our "standard" (by
letter of agreement) airspace (10 miles radius of Mount Washington).
But even if you limit yourself to 17,999 feet to stay out of Class A,
you can glide quite a ways, even into a headwind. So on a day with wave
in multiple places, some pilots in my club (Post Mills) have used wave
from both the White Mountains in NH and the Green Mountains in VT on the
same flight. And that's just the E-W part. Also there have been some
XC wave flights from the Whites to the NE in the lee of the Mahoosuc
range in Maine.

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On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 4:28:00 PM UTC-5, Moshe Braner wrote:

On 11/17/2022 1:41 PM, mrop...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 12:08:03 PM UTC-5, john firth wrote:

Both Sugarbush and Lake Placid are well known in the East
as wave sites able to provide 5000 m gains and frequent
wave to lower levels.
Though I have made occasional sorties at Lake Placid in wave,
I have never been adventurous enough to go more than 30 km
from the site.
In recent weeks , Goes E has shown images of lennies extending
from NY state into Maine, which appear to provide a highway
for a long distance G and R flight.
Has anyone attempted such an excursion?

John Firth,(an old no longer bold pilot)

Back in the 1960's and '70's Mike Stevenson had several wave XC expeditions to try and go XC from North Conway, NH to the South and later for long distance XC flights out West starting from the Sangre de Christo range. He flew a 2-32, had his own

Cessna 206 tow plane, and hired Grayson Brown to fly a 1-34 as a fore runner/sniffer for him. I think he was limited by Class A airspace at the time, which IIRC was 24K'. I don't think his ventures bore any fruit, though he did try for several years.
With the advent of SkySight and accurate wave predictions linked to flight computers now, I think that this kind of flight would be more possible, but ATC coordination for Class A airspace use in the Northeast corridor could be problematic.

RO

It's hard enough to arrange Class A clearance even to our "standard" (by letter of agreement) airspace (10 miles radius of Mount Washington).
But even if you limit yourself to 17,999 feet to stay out of Class A,
you can glide quite a ways, even into a headwind. So on a day with wave
in multiple places, some pilots in my club (Post Mills) have used wave
from both the White Mountains in NH and the Green Mountains in VT on the same flight. And that's just the E-W part. Also there have been some
XC wave flights from the Whites to the NE in the lee of the Mahoosuc
range in Maine.

Leaving aside the Class A issues, it's clear that there is enough wave from the Appalachians to the Catskills and up into the Adirondacks to make some spectacular flights. I've personally flown wave XC from Fairfield, Mifflin, Blairstown, Van Sant,
and Wurtsboro. I've never sat down and tried to put together a plan for a really long straight out or out-and-return in the northeast wave, but I bet you it could be done.

Here's a great example of the wave flights that Baud Litt and Mike Higgins did out of Fairfield in the last 2 decades.

https://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-3.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?dsId=1572590#comment

P3

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