https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/f-16-head-butted-wayward-cessna-three-times-during-presidential-air-defense-mission/ar-AA13cvub?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=cf8f13c3e96b432fd2f08e229d0b7e4eThis post is more important than people realize! Take yesterday as an example , I had intentions of flying a bit further west than I did and turn North until I was at the top of 2901 restricted area and thread the needle to get back home. The needle area
Seems like even the Army Pilots aren't perfect either
Nick
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On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:34:16 PM UTC-4, nickkennedy...@gmail.com wrote:area is between the top of 2901 and class B Orlando, not much room for sightseeing, but after getting through that area you certainly have more room for comfort. Because of Big Brother and fast moving F-18's and 35"s the TFR has been largely expanded to
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/f-16-head-butted-wayward-cessna-three-times-during-presidential-air-defense-mission/ar-AA13cvub?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=cf8f13c3e96b432fd2f08e229d0b7e4e
Seems like even the Army Pilots aren't perfect either
NickThis post is more important than people realize! Take yesterday as an example , I had intentions of flying a bit further west than I did and turn North until I was at the top of 2901 restricted area and thread the needle to get back home. The needle
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When I took off yesterday the TFR area was NOT active, yet the Restricted area was HOT. I deal with this often and plan my flights outside of the restricted area. After getting West of Okeechobee I was planning to go North to Avon Park and continue asplanned making the loop around the top of 2901 and head back East. I happen to have my phone with Foreflight and at 2.13 in the afternoon a TFR was issued and was to begin at 2.30 which gave me 17 minutes to get turned around and back East. The GPS
A note to all you Big Dogs out of Seminole, check the Avon Park and Winter Haven airspace before making a costly mistake. I know that you guys go up and down Hwy 27 following each other so take foreflight with you and check the TFR postings. Old Bob,The Purist
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:37:10 AM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:area is between the top of 2901 and class B Orlando, not much room for sightseeing, but after getting through that area you certainly have more room for comfort. Because of Big Brother and fast moving F-18's and 35"s the TFR has been largely expanded to
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:34:16 PM UTC-4, nickkennedy...@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/f-16-head-butted-wayward-cessna-three-times-during-presidential-air-defense-mission/ar-AA13cvub?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=cf8f13c3e96b432fd2f08e229d0b7e4e
Seems like even the Army Pilots aren't perfect either
NickThis post is more important than people realize! Take yesterday as an example , I had intentions of flying a bit further west than I did and turn North until I was at the top of 2901 restricted area and thread the needle to get back home. The needle
T
as planned making the loop around the top of 2901 and head back East. I happen to have my phone with Foreflight and at 2.13 in the afternoon a TFR was issued and was to begin at 2.30 which gave me 17 minutes to get turned around and back East. The GPSWhen I took off yesterday the TFR area was NOT active, yet the Restricted area was HOT. I deal with this often and plan my flights outside of the restricted area. After getting West of Okeechobee I was planning to go North to Avon Park and continue
The PuristA note to all you Big Dogs out of Seminole, check the Avon Park and Winter Haven airspace before making a costly mistake. I know that you guys go up and down Hwy 27 following each other so take foreflight with you and check the TFR postings. Old Bob,
Bob I don't think your forflight is giving you correct info on TFR's ? My stuff does not show any new TFR's in that area.I will send you a pic of yesterday! IT DID NOT SHOW U8NTIL AFTER 2 YESTERDAY
Can anybody else see them?
GB
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:37:10 AM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:area is between the top of 2901 and class B Orlando, not much room for sightseeing, but after getting through that area you certainly have more room for comfort. Because of Big Brother and fast moving F-18's and 35"s the TFR has been largely expanded to
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:34:16 PM UTC-4, nickkennedy...@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/f-16-head-butted-wayward-cessna-three-times-during-presidential-air-defense-mission/ar-AA13cvub?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=cf8f13c3e96b432fd2f08e229d0b7e4eThis post is more important than people realize! Take yesterday as an example , I had intentions of flying a bit further west than I did and turn North until I was at the top of 2901 restricted area and thread the needle to get back home. The needle
Seems like even the Army Pilots aren't perfect either
Nick
T
planned making the loop around the top of 2901 and head back East. I happen to have my phone with Foreflight and at 2.13 in the afternoon a TFR was issued and was to begin at 2.30 which gave me 17 minutes to get turned around and back East. The GPSWhen I took off yesterday the TFR area was NOT active, yet the Restricted area was HOT. I deal with this often and plan my flights outside of the restricted area. After getting West of Okeechobee I was planning to go North to Avon Park and continue as
The PuristA note to all you Big Dogs out of Seminole, check the Avon Park and Winter Haven airspace before making a costly mistake. I know that you guys go up and down Hwy 27 following each other so take foreflight with you and check the TFR postings. Old Bob,
Bob I don't think your forflight is giving you correct info on TFR's ? My stuff does not show any new TFR's in that area.Neither Skyvector or the FAA SUA website (https://sua.faa.gov/sua/siteFrame.app) show a
Can anybody else see them?
GB
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:32:22 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:The Purist
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:37:10 AM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote: ...
A note to all you Big Dogs out of Seminole, check the Avon Park and Winter Haven airspace before making a costly mistake. I know that you guys go up and down Hwy 27 following each other so take foreflight with you and check the TFR postings. Old Bob,
Bob I don't think your forflight is giving you correct info on TFR's ? My stuff does not show any new TFR's in that area.I will send you a pic of yesterday! IT DID NOT SHOW U8NTIL AFTER 2 YESTERDAY
Can anybody else see them?
GB
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:32:22 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:needle area is between the top of 2901 and class B Orlando, not much room for sightseeing, but after getting through that area you certainly have more room for comfort. Because of Big Brother and fast moving F-18's and 35"s the TFR has been largely
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:37:10 AM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:34:16 PM UTC-4, nickkennedy...@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/f-16-head-butted-wayward-cessna-three-times-during-presidential-air-defense-mission/ar-AA13cvub?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=cf8f13c3e96b432fd2f08e229d0b7e4e
Seems like even the Army Pilots aren't perfect either
NickThis post is more important than people realize! Take yesterday as an example , I had intentions of flying a bit further west than I did and turn North until I was at the top of 2901 restricted area and thread the needle to get back home. The
T
as planned making the loop around the top of 2901 and head back East. I happen to have my phone with Foreflight and at 2.13 in the afternoon a TFR was issued and was to begin at 2.30 which gave me 17 minutes to get turned around and back East. The GPSWhen I took off yesterday the TFR area was NOT active, yet the Restricted area was HOT. I deal with this often and plan my flights outside of the restricted area. After getting West of Okeechobee I was planning to go North to Avon Park and continue
Bob, The PuristA note to all you Big Dogs out of Seminole, check the Avon Park and Winter Haven airspace before making a costly mistake. I know that you guys go up and down Hwy 27 following each other so take foreflight with you and check the TFR postings. Old
OBTP,Bob I don't think your forflight is giving you correct info on TFR's ? My stuff does not show any new TFR's in that area.I will send you a pic of yesterday! IT DID NOT SHOW U8NTIL AFTER 2 YESTERDAY
Can anybody else see them?
GB
On 10/28/2022 6:08 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:Bob, The Purist
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:32:22 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:...
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:37:10 AM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
A note to all you Big Dogs out of Seminole, check the Avon Park and Winter Haven airspace before making a costly mistake. I know that you guys go up and down Hwy 27 following each other so take foreflight with you and check the TFR postings. Old
Ok Bob I found it. It's not a TFR it's a MOA. that makes all the differance.I don't know if this the same issue, but I have seen a few bogus TFRs on my Dynon SkyviewBob I don't think your forflight is giving you correct info on TFR's ? My stuff does not show any new TFR's in that area.I will send you a pic of yesterday! IT DID NOT SHOW U8NTIL AFTER 2 YESTERDAY
Can anybody else see them?
GB
EFIS. In those cases (at least three times), the FAA said they did not issue the TFRs that
showed on my screen, and Dynon said Skyview gets TFR data from the same ADSB data that has
the weather information. The bogus TFRs were not there at the beginning of the flights.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 9:28:35 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:Bob, The Purist
On 10/28/2022 6:08 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:32:22 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:...
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:37:10 AM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
A note to all you Big Dogs out of Seminole, check the Avon Park and Winter Haven airspace before making a costly mistake. I know that you guys go up and down Hwy 27 following each other so take foreflight with you and check the TFR postings. Old
The FAA has finalized plans to amend special-use airspace over the Avon Park Air Force Range in central Florida.Ok Bob I found it. It's not a TFR it's a MOA. that makes all the differance.I don't know if this the same issue, but I have seen a few bogus TFRs on my Dynon SkyviewBob I don't think your forflight is giving you correct info on TFR's ? My stuff does not show any new TFR's in that area.I will send you a pic of yesterday! IT DID NOT SHOW U8NTIL AFTER 2 YESTERDAY
Can anybody else see them?
GB
EFIS. In those cases (at least three times), the FAA said they did not issue the TFRs that
showed on my screen, and Dynon said Skyview gets TFR data from the same ADSB data that has
the weather information. The bogus TFRs were not there at the beginning of the flights.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:03:18 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:Old Bob, The Purist
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 9:28:35 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/28/2022 6:08 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:32:22 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:...
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:37:10 AM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
A note to all you Big Dogs out of Seminole, check the Avon Park and Winter Haven airspace before making a costly mistake. I know that you guys go up and down Hwy 27 following each other so take foreflight with you and check the TFR postings.
into three will allow the military to activate only those sectors needed for a mission, leaving the other sectors open for use by the public; and there are no changes to the overall lateral dimensions of the complex. On the other hand, the new restrictedThe FAA has finalized plans to amend special-use airspace over the Avon Park Air Force Range in central Florida.Ok Bob I found it. It's not a TFR it's a MOA. that makes all the differance.I don't know if this the same issue, but I have seen a few bogus TFRs on my Dynon SkyviewBob I don't think your forflight is giving you correct info on TFR's ? My stuff does not show any new TFR's in that area.I will send you a pic of yesterday! IT DID NOT SHOW U8NTIL AFTER 2 YESTERDAY
Can anybody else see them?
GB
EFIS. In those cases (at least three times), the FAA said they did not issue the TFRs that
showed on my screen, and Dynon said Skyview gets TFR data from the same ADSB data that has
the weather information. The bogus TFRs were not there at the beginning of the flights.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
The final rule subdivides the Lake Placid MOA into three separate areas, adds one sector above the existing Avon East MOA, and converts two MOAs to restricted areas. The changes represent a mixed bag for general aviation: On one hand, dividing the MOA
“AOPA has worked to educate the Air Force about the need for general aviation access to the Avon Park area,” said AOPA Manager of Air Traffic Services Tom Kramer. “With the subdivision of the Lake Placid MOA, GA pilots will have greater accessthrough this busy airspace.”
The Lake Placid MOA will now be three MOAs: Lake Placid North, East, and West. Additional times of use will now include “other times by notam.” Avon East High MOA will be added from 14,000 feet msl up to but not including 18,000 feet msl above AvonEast MOA. The Avon North and South MOAs will become Restricted Areas R-2901 M and N, respectively. Effective times of the Basinger and Marian MOAs will now include “other times by notam.” These changes take effect July 29 at 0901 Zulu.
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:05:17 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:Old Bob, The Purist
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:03:18 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 9:28:35 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/28/2022 6:08 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:32:22 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:...
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:37:10 AM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
A note to all you Big Dogs out of Seminole, check the Avon Park and Winter Haven airspace before making a costly mistake. I know that you guys go up and down Hwy 27 following each other so take foreflight with you and check the TFR postings.
MOA into three will allow the military to activate only those sectors needed for a mission, leaving the other sectors open for use by the public; and there are no changes to the overall lateral dimensions of the complex. On the other hand, the newThe FAA has finalized plans to amend special-use airspace over the Avon Park Air Force Range in central Florida.Ok Bob I found it. It's not a TFR it's a MOA. that makes all the differance.I don't know if this the same issue, but I have seen a few bogus TFRs on my Dynon SkyviewBob I don't think your forflight is giving you correct info on TFR's ? My stuff does not show any new TFR's in that area.I will send you a pic of yesterday! IT DID NOT SHOW U8NTIL AFTER 2 YESTERDAY
Can anybody else see them?
GB
EFIS. In those cases (at least three times), the FAA said they did not issue the TFRs that
showed on my screen, and Dynon said Skyview gets TFR data from the same ADSB data that has
the weather information. The bogus TFRs were not there at the beginning of the flights.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
The final rule subdivides the Lake Placid MOA into three separate areas, adds one sector above the existing Avon East MOA, and converts two MOAs to restricted areas. The changes represent a mixed bag for general aviation: On one hand, dividing the
through this busy airspace.”“AOPA has worked to educate the Air Force about the need for general aviation access to the Avon Park area,” said AOPA Manager of Air Traffic Services Tom Kramer. “With the subdivision of the Lake Placid MOA, GA pilots will have greater access
Avon East MOA. The Avon North and South MOAs will become Restricted Areas R-2901 M and N, respectively. Effective times of the Basinger and Marian MOAs will now include “other times by notam.” These changes take effect July 29 at 0901 Zulu.The Lake Placid MOA will now be three MOAs: Lake Placid North, East, and West. Additional times of use will now include “other times by notam.” Avon East High MOA will be added from 14,000 feet msl up to but not including 18,000 feet msl above
OOPS this is a AOPA article from May 27, 2010Well, that hasn't happened, the problem is that Foreflight treats NOTAM's the same as TFR"s and if you are flying along and paying attention in a suspect airspace the Foreflight screen will depict the MOA area as a TFR and there is no color designation
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:59:08 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:Old Bob, The Purist
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:05:17 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:03:18 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 9:28:35 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/28/2022 6:08 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:32:22 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:...
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:37:10 AM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
A note to all you Big Dogs out of Seminole, check the Avon Park and Winter Haven airspace before making a costly mistake. I know that you guys go up and down Hwy 27 following each other so take foreflight with you and check the TFR postings.
MOA into three will allow the military to activate only those sectors needed for a mission, leaving the other sectors open for use by the public; and there are no changes to the overall lateral dimensions of the complex. On the other hand, the newThe FAA has finalized plans to amend special-use airspace over the Avon Park Air Force Range in central Florida.Ok Bob I found it. It's not a TFR it's a MOA. that makes all the differance.I don't know if this the same issue, but I have seen a few bogus TFRs on my Dynon SkyviewBob I don't think your forflight is giving you correct info on TFR's ? My stuff does not show any new TFR's in that area.I will send you a pic of yesterday! IT DID NOT SHOW U8NTIL AFTER 2 YESTERDAY
Can anybody else see them?
GB
EFIS. In those cases (at least three times), the FAA said they did not issue the TFRs that
showed on my screen, and Dynon said Skyview gets TFR data from the same ADSB data that has
the weather information. The bogus TFRs were not there at the beginning of the flights.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
The final rule subdivides the Lake Placid MOA into three separate areas, adds one sector above the existing Avon East MOA, and converts two MOAs to restricted areas. The changes represent a mixed bag for general aviation: On one hand, dividing the
access through this busy airspace.”“AOPA has worked to educate the Air Force about the need for general aviation access to the Avon Park area,” said AOPA Manager of Air Traffic Services Tom Kramer. “With the subdivision of the Lake Placid MOA, GA pilots will have greater
Avon East MOA. The Avon North and South MOAs will become Restricted Areas R-2901 M and N, respectively. Effective times of the Basinger and Marian MOAs will now include “other times by notam.” These changes take effect July 29 at 0901 Zulu.The Lake Placid MOA will now be three MOAs: Lake Placid North, East, and West. Additional times of use will now include “other times by notam.” Avon East High MOA will be added from 14,000 feet msl up to but not including 18,000 feet msl above
between the TFR and the MOA. Also the MOA restricted area is extended outward of the restricted area as defined on the map. This is absolutely nuts! OBTPOOPS this is a AOPA article from May 27, 2010Well, that hasn't happened, the problem is that Foreflight treats NOTAM's the same as TFR"s and if you are flying along and paying attention in a suspect airspace the Foreflight screen will depict the MOA area as a TFR and there is no color designation
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:47:25 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:postings. Old Bob, The Purist
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:59:08 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:05:17 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:03:18 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 9:28:35 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/28/2022 6:08 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:32:22 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:...
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:37:10 AM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
A note to all you Big Dogs out of Seminole, check the Avon Park and Winter Haven airspace before making a costly mistake. I know that you guys go up and down Hwy 27 following each other so take foreflight with you and check the TFR
the MOA into three will allow the military to activate only those sectors needed for a mission, leaving the other sectors open for use by the public; and there are no changes to the overall lateral dimensions of the complex. On the other hand, the newThe FAA has finalized plans to amend special-use airspace over the Avon Park Air Force Range in central Florida.Ok Bob I found it. It's not a TFR it's a MOA. that makes all the differance.I don't know if this the same issue, but I have seen a few bogus TFRs on my Dynon SkyviewBob I don't think your forflight is giving you correct info on TFR's ? My stuff does not show any new TFR's in that area.I will send you a pic of yesterday! IT DID NOT SHOW U8NTIL AFTER 2 YESTERDAY
Can anybody else see them?
GB
EFIS. In those cases (at least three times), the FAA said they did not issue the TFRs that
showed on my screen, and Dynon said Skyview gets TFR data from the same ADSB data that has
the weather information. The bogus TFRs were not there at the beginning of the flights.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
The final rule subdivides the Lake Placid MOA into three separate areas, adds one sector above the existing Avon East MOA, and converts two MOAs to restricted areas. The changes represent a mixed bag for general aviation: On one hand, dividing
access through this busy airspace.”“AOPA has worked to educate the Air Force about the need for general aviation access to the Avon Park area,” said AOPA Manager of Air Traffic Services Tom Kramer. “With the subdivision of the Lake Placid MOA, GA pilots will have greater
above Avon East MOA. The Avon North and South MOAs will become Restricted Areas R-2901 M and N, respectively. Effective times of the Basinger and Marian MOAs will now include “other times by notam.” These changes take effect July 29 at 0901 Zulu.The Lake Placid MOA will now be three MOAs: Lake Placid North, East, and West. Additional times of use will now include “other times by notam.” Avon East High MOA will be added from 14,000 feet msl up to but not including 18,000 feet msl
designation between the TFR and the MOA. Also the MOA restricted area is extended outward of the restricted area as defined on the map. This is absolutely nuts! OBTPOOPS this is a AOPA article from May 27, 2010Well, that hasn't happened, the problem is that Foreflight treats NOTAM's the same as TFR"s and if you are flying along and paying attention in a suspect airspace the Foreflight screen will depict the MOA area as a TFR and there is no color
OBTP, it is very impure to be fondling such gadgetry in flight. Never catch me with it! Take that F-106 buzz the old-fashioned way!Well, back in the day it was the boys from Homestead that would buzz us in their F-4"s could see that black smoke coming from miles away and talk to them on the radio as they chuckled. Myself along with Bennie and Alfonso did a bit of testing for their
On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 5:02:51 AM UTC-4, sgs...@gmail.com wrote:postings. Old Bob, The Purist
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:47:25 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:59:08 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:05:17 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:03:18 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 9:28:35 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/28/2022 6:08 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:32:22 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:...
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:37:10 AM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
A note to all you Big Dogs out of Seminole, check the Avon Park and Winter Haven airspace before making a costly mistake. I know that you guys go up and down Hwy 27 following each other so take foreflight with you and check the TFR
the MOA into three will allow the military to activate only those sectors needed for a mission, leaving the other sectors open for use by the public; and there are no changes to the overall lateral dimensions of the complex. On the other hand, the newThe FAA has finalized plans to amend special-use airspace over the Avon Park Air Force Range in central Florida.Ok Bob I found it. It's not a TFR it's a MOA. that makes all the differance.I don't know if this the same issue, but I have seen a few bogus TFRs on my Dynon SkyviewBob I don't think your forflight is giving you correct info on TFR's ? My stuff does not show any new TFR's in that area.I will send you a pic of yesterday! IT DID NOT SHOW U8NTIL AFTER 2 YESTERDAY
Can anybody else see them?
GB
EFIS. In those cases (at least three times), the FAA said they did not issue the TFRs that
showed on my screen, and Dynon said Skyview gets TFR data from the same ADSB data that has
the weather information. The bogus TFRs were not there at the beginning of the flights.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
The final rule subdivides the Lake Placid MOA into three separate areas, adds one sector above the existing Avon East MOA, and converts two MOAs to restricted areas. The changes represent a mixed bag for general aviation: On one hand, dividing
access through this busy airspace.”“AOPA has worked to educate the Air Force about the need for general aviation access to the Avon Park area,” said AOPA Manager of Air Traffic Services Tom Kramer. “With the subdivision of the Lake Placid MOA, GA pilots will have greater
above Avon East MOA. The Avon North and South MOAs will become Restricted Areas R-2901 M and N, respectively. Effective times of the Basinger and Marian MOAs will now include “other times by notam.” These changes take effect July 29 at 0901 Zulu.The Lake Placid MOA will now be three MOAs: Lake Placid North, East, and West. Additional times of use will now include “other times by notam.” Avon East High MOA will be added from 14,000 feet msl up to but not including 18,000 feet msl
designation between the TFR and the MOA. Also the MOA restricted area is extended outward of the restricted area as defined on the map. This is absolutely nuts! OBTPOOPS this is a AOPA article from May 27, 2010Well, that hasn't happened, the problem is that Foreflight treats NOTAM's the same as TFR"s and if you are flying along and paying attention in a suspect airspace the Foreflight screen will depict the MOA area as a TFR and there is no color
radar systems to determine if they could identify us. Most of the time they just gave up and we had to tell them where we were. Yep, gadgetry has really dumb down this sport. Old Bob, The PuristOBTP, it is very impure to be fondling such gadgetry in flight. Never catch me with it! Take that F-106 buzz the old-fashioned way!Well, back in the day it was the boys from Homestead that would buzz us in their F-4"s could see that black smoke coming from miles away and talk to them on the radio as they chuckled. Myself along with Bennie and Alfonso did a bit of testing for their
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:59:08 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:Bob, The Purist
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:05:17 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:03:18 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote: >>>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 9:28:35 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote: >>>>> On 10/28/2022 6:08 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:32:22 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote: >>>>>>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:37:10 AM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:...
A note to all you Big Dogs out of Seminole, check the Avon Park and Winter Haven airspace before making a costly mistake. I know that you guys go up and down Hwy 27 following each other so take foreflight with you and check the TFR postings. Old
MOA into three will allow the military to activate only those sectors needed for a mission, leaving the other sectors open for use by the public; and there are no changes to the overall lateral dimensions of the complex. On the other hand, the newThe FAA has finalized plans to amend special-use airspace over the Avon Park Air Force Range in central Florida.Ok Bob I found it. It's not a TFR it's a MOA. that makes all the differance.I don't know if this the same issue, but I have seen a few bogus TFRs on my Dynon SkyviewBob I don't think your forflight is giving you correct info on TFR's ? My stuff does not show any new TFR's in that area.I will send you a pic of yesterday! IT DID NOT SHOW U8NTIL AFTER 2 YESTERDAY
Can anybody else see them?
GB
EFIS. In those cases (at least three times), the FAA said they did not issue the TFRs that
showed on my screen, and Dynon said Skyview gets TFR data from the same ADSB data that has
the weather information. The bogus TFRs were not there at the beginning of the flights.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
The final rule subdivides the Lake Placid MOA into three separate areas, adds one sector above the existing Avon East MOA, and converts two MOAs to restricted areas. The changes represent a mixed bag for general aviation: On one hand, dividing the
through this busy airspace.”
“AOPA has worked to educate the Air Force about the need for general aviation access to the Avon Park area,” said AOPA Manager of Air Traffic Services Tom Kramer. “With the subdivision of the Lake Placid MOA, GA pilots will have greater access
Avon East MOA. The Avon North and South MOAs will become Restricted Areas R-2901 M and N, respectively. Effective times of the Basinger and Marian MOAs will now include “other times by notam.” These changes take effect July 29 at 0901 Zulu.
The Lake Placid MOA will now be three MOAs: Lake Placid North, East, and West. Additional times of use will now include “other times by notam.” Avon East High MOA will be added from 14,000 feet msl up to but not including 18,000 feet msl above
designation between the TFR and the MOA. Also the MOA restricted area is extended outward of the restricted area as defined on the map. This is absolutely nuts! OBTPOOPS this is a AOPA article from May 27, 2010Well, that hasn't happened, the problem is that Foreflight treats NOTAM's the same as TFR"s and if you are flying along and paying attention in a suspect airspace the Foreflight screen will depict the MOA area as a TFR and there is no color
Who else has had a close encounter with heavy metal?
JJ
Unless the rules have changed, an MOA is not restricted airspace. It'sOld Bob, The Purist
a military operating area and you and I have as much right to fly there
as the military.
Having said that, I've been asked by ATC if I would mind deviating
around a "hot" MOA and I have never declined that request. I also
inquire as to the status of an MOA that I plan to enter or cross.
Dan
5J
On 10/28/22 18:47, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:59:08 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:05:17 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote: >>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:03:18 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote: >>>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 9:28:35 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote: >>>>> On 10/28/2022 6:08 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:32:22 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:...
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:37:10 AM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
A note to all you Big Dogs out of Seminole, check the Avon Park and Winter Haven airspace before making a costly mistake. I know that you guys go up and down Hwy 27 following each other so take foreflight with you and check the TFR postings.
MOA into three will allow the military to activate only those sectors needed for a mission, leaving the other sectors open for use by the public; and there are no changes to the overall lateral dimensions of the complex. On the other hand, the newThe FAA has finalized plans to amend special-use airspace over the Avon Park Air Force Range in central Florida.Ok Bob I found it. It's not a TFR it's a MOA. that makes all the differance.I don't know if this the same issue, but I have seen a few bogus TFRs on my Dynon SkyviewBob I don't think your forflight is giving you correct info on TFR's ? My stuff does not show any new TFR's in that area.I will send you a pic of yesterday! IT DID NOT SHOW U8NTIL AFTER 2 YESTERDAY
Can anybody else see them?
GB
EFIS. In those cases (at least three times), the FAA said they did not issue the TFRs that
showed on my screen, and Dynon said Skyview gets TFR data from the same ADSB data that has
the weather information. The bogus TFRs were not there at the beginning of the flights.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
The final rule subdivides the Lake Placid MOA into three separate areas, adds one sector above the existing Avon East MOA, and converts two MOAs to restricted areas. The changes represent a mixed bag for general aviation: On one hand, dividing the
access through this busy airspace.”
“AOPA has worked to educate the Air Force about the need for general aviation access to the Avon Park area,” said AOPA Manager of Air Traffic Services Tom Kramer. “With the subdivision of the Lake Placid MOA, GA pilots will have greater
Avon East MOA. The Avon North and South MOAs will become Restricted Areas R-2901 M and N, respectively. Effective times of the Basinger and Marian MOAs will now include “other times by notam.” These changes take effect July 29 at 0901 Zulu.
The Lake Placid MOA will now be three MOAs: Lake Placid North, East, and West. Additional times of use will now include “other times by notam.” Avon East High MOA will be added from 14,000 feet msl up to but not including 18,000 feet msl above
designation between the TFR and the MOA. Also the MOA restricted area is extended outward of the restricted area as defined on the map. This is absolutely nuts! OBTPOOPS this is a AOPA article from May 27, 2010Well, that hasn't happened, the problem is that Foreflight treats NOTAM's the same as TFR"s and if you are flying along and paying attention in a suspect airspace the Foreflight screen will depict the MOA area as a TFR and there is no color
On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 12:01:31 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:Old Bob, The Purist
Unless the rules have changed, an MOA is not restricted airspace. It's
a military operating area and you and I have as much right to fly there
as the military.
Having said that, I've been asked by ATC if I would mind deviating
around a "hot" MOA and I have never declined that request. I also
inquire as to the status of an MOA that I plan to enter or cross.
Dan
5J
On 10/28/22 18:47, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:59:08 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:05:17 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote: >>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:03:18 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 9:28:35 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/28/2022 6:08 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:32:22 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:...
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:37:10 AM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
A note to all you Big Dogs out of Seminole, check the Avon Park and Winter Haven airspace before making a costly mistake. I know that you guys go up and down Hwy 27 following each other so take foreflight with you and check the TFR postings.
the MOA into three will allow the military to activate only those sectors needed for a mission, leaving the other sectors open for use by the public; and there are no changes to the overall lateral dimensions of the complex. On the other hand, the newThe FAA has finalized plans to amend special-use airspace over the Avon Park Air Force Range in central Florida.Ok Bob I found it. It's not a TFR it's a MOA. that makes all the differance.I don't know if this the same issue, but I have seen a few bogus TFRs on my Dynon SkyviewBob I don't think your forflight is giving you correct info on TFR's ? My stuff does not show any new TFR's in that area.I will send you a pic of yesterday! IT DID NOT SHOW U8NTIL AFTER 2 YESTERDAY
Can anybody else see them?
GB
EFIS. In those cases (at least three times), the FAA said they did not issue the TFRs that
showed on my screen, and Dynon said Skyview gets TFR data from the same ADSB data that has
the weather information. The bogus TFRs were not there at the beginning of the flights.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
The final rule subdivides the Lake Placid MOA into three separate areas, adds one sector above the existing Avon East MOA, and converts two MOAs to restricted areas. The changes represent a mixed bag for general aviation: On one hand, dividing
access through this busy airspace.”
“AOPA has worked to educate the Air Force about the need for general aviation access to the Avon Park area,” said AOPA Manager of Air Traffic Services Tom Kramer. “With the subdivision of the Lake Placid MOA, GA pilots will have greater
above Avon East MOA. The Avon North and South MOAs will become Restricted Areas R-2901 M and N, respectively. Effective times of the Basinger and Marian MOAs will now include “other times by notam.” These changes take effect July 29 at 0901 Zulu.
The Lake Placid MOA will now be three MOAs: Lake Placid North, East, and West. Additional times of use will now include “other times by notam.” Avon East High MOA will be added from 14,000 feet msl up to but not including 18,000 feet msl
designation between the TFR and the MOA. Also the MOA restricted area is extended outward of the restricted area as defined on the map. This is absolutely nuts! OBTPOOPS this is a AOPA article from May 27, 2010Well, that hasn't happened, the problem is that Foreflight treats NOTAM's the same as TFR"s and if you are flying along and paying attention in a suspect airspace the Foreflight screen will depict the MOA area as a TFR and there is no color
Ya, Dan - if you're IFR you are just seperated from an active MOA without discussion. If VFR in contact with ATC, they pretty much have to disown you if you're not planning to avoid it.sgs, you know this better than anyone, but I was caught in a bad situation a couple years back and needed ATC help. I called Miami ctr and requested help getting through the hot restricted area. It took a minute or two and I was given a code to sq and a
On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 9:17:22 PM UTC-4, sgs...@gmail.com wrote:postings. Old Bob, The Purist
On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 12:01:31 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
Unless the rules have changed, an MOA is not restricted airspace. It's
a military operating area and you and I have as much right to fly there as the military.
Having said that, I've been asked by ATC if I would mind deviating around a "hot" MOA and I have never declined that request. I also inquire as to the status of an MOA that I plan to enter or cross.
Dan
5J
On 10/28/22 18:47, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:59:08 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:05:17 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:03:18 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 9:28:35 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/28/2022 6:08 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:32:22 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:...
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:37:10 AM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
A note to all you Big Dogs out of Seminole, check the Avon Park and Winter Haven airspace before making a costly mistake. I know that you guys go up and down Hwy 27 following each other so take foreflight with you and check the TFR
the MOA into three will allow the military to activate only those sectors needed for a mission, leaving the other sectors open for use by the public; and there are no changes to the overall lateral dimensions of the complex. On the other hand, the newThe FAA has finalized plans to amend special-use airspace over the Avon Park Air Force Range in central Florida.Ok Bob I found it. It's not a TFR it's a MOA. that makes all the differance.I don't know if this the same issue, but I have seen a few bogus TFRs on my Dynon SkyviewBob I don't think your forflight is giving you correct info on TFR's ? My stuff does not show any new TFR's in that area.I will send you a pic of yesterday! IT DID NOT SHOW U8NTIL AFTER 2 YESTERDAY
Can anybody else see them?
GB
EFIS. In those cases (at least three times), the FAA said they did not issue the TFRs that
showed on my screen, and Dynon said Skyview gets TFR data from the same ADSB data that has
the weather information. The bogus TFRs were not there at the beginning of the flights.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
The final rule subdivides the Lake Placid MOA into three separate areas, adds one sector above the existing Avon East MOA, and converts two MOAs to restricted areas. The changes represent a mixed bag for general aviation: On one hand, dividing
access through this busy airspace.”
“AOPA has worked to educate the Air Force about the need for general aviation access to the Avon Park area,” said AOPA Manager of Air Traffic Services Tom Kramer. “With the subdivision of the Lake Placid MOA, GA pilots will have greater
above Avon East MOA. The Avon North and South MOAs will become Restricted Areas R-2901 M and N, respectively. Effective times of the Basinger and Marian MOAs will now include “other times by notam.” These changes take effect July 29 at 0901 Zulu.
The Lake Placid MOA will now be three MOAs: Lake Placid North, East, and West. Additional times of use will now include “other times by notam.” Avon East High MOA will be added from 14,000 feet msl up to but not including 18,000 feet msl
designation between the TFR and the MOA. Also the MOA restricted area is extended outward of the restricted area as defined on the map. This is absolutely nuts! OBTPOOPS this is a AOPA article from May 27, 2010Well, that hasn't happened, the problem is that Foreflight treats NOTAM's the same as TFR"s and if you are flying along and paying attention in a suspect airspace the Foreflight screen will depict the MOA area as a TFR and there is no color
a timeframe of 15 minutes to get through, in which I did. After landing I called the mission desk and was informed that that space while hot is not governed by atc Miami and they pretty much wash their hands of any IFR and VFR traffic within theYa, Dan - if you're IFR you are just seperated from an active MOA without discussion. If VFR in contact with ATC, they pretty much have to disown you if you're not planning to avoid it.sgs, you know this better than anyone, but I was caught in a bad situation a couple years back and needed ATC help. I called Miami ctr and requested help getting through the hot restricted area. It took a minute or two and I was given a code to sq and
On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 7:35:12 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:postings. Old Bob, The Purist
On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 5:02:51 AM UTC-4, sgs...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:47:25 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:59:08 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:05:17 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:03:18 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 9:28:35 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/28/2022 6:08 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:32:22 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:...
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:37:10 AM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
A note to all you Big Dogs out of Seminole, check the Avon Park and Winter Haven airspace before making a costly mistake. I know that you guys go up and down Hwy 27 following each other so take foreflight with you and check the TFR
dividing the MOA into three will allow the military to activate only those sectors needed for a mission, leaving the other sectors open for use by the public; and there are no changes to the overall lateral dimensions of the complex. On the other hand,The FAA has finalized plans to amend special-use airspace over the Avon Park Air Force Range in central Florida.Ok Bob I found it. It's not a TFR it's a MOA. that makes all the differance.I don't know if this the same issue, but I have seen a few bogus TFRs on my Dynon SkyviewBob I don't think your forflight is giving you correct info on TFR's ? My stuff does not show any new TFR's in that area.I will send you a pic of yesterday! IT DID NOT SHOW U8NTIL AFTER 2 YESTERDAY
Can anybody else see them?
GB
EFIS. In those cases (at least three times), the FAA said they did not issue the TFRs that
showed on my screen, and Dynon said Skyview gets TFR data from the same ADSB data that has
the weather information. The bogus TFRs were not there at the beginning of the flights.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
The final rule subdivides the Lake Placid MOA into three separate areas, adds one sector above the existing Avon East MOA, and converts two MOAs to restricted areas. The changes represent a mixed bag for general aviation: On one hand,
access through this busy airspace.”“AOPA has worked to educate the Air Force about the need for general aviation access to the Avon Park area,” said AOPA Manager of Air Traffic Services Tom Kramer. “With the subdivision of the Lake Placid MOA, GA pilots will have greater
above Avon East MOA. The Avon North and South MOAs will become Restricted Areas R-2901 M and N, respectively. Effective times of the Basinger and Marian MOAs will now include “other times by notam.” These changes take effect July 29 at 0901 Zulu.The Lake Placid MOA will now be three MOAs: Lake Placid North, East, and West. Additional times of use will now include “other times by notam.” Avon East High MOA will be added from 14,000 feet msl up to but not including 18,000 feet msl
designation between the TFR and the MOA. Also the MOA restricted area is extended outward of the restricted area as defined on the map. This is absolutely nuts! OBTPOOPS this is a AOPA article from May 27, 2010Well, that hasn't happened, the problem is that Foreflight treats NOTAM's the same as TFR"s and if you are flying along and paying attention in a suspect airspace the Foreflight screen will depict the MOA area as a TFR and there is no color
their radar systems to determine if they could identify us. Most of the time they just gave up and we had to tell them where we were. Yep, gadgetry has really dumb down this sport. Old Bob, The PuristOBTP, it is very impure to be fondling such gadgetry in flight. Never catch me with it! Take that F-106 buzz the old-fashioned way!Well, back in the day it was the boys from Homestead that would buzz us in their F-4"s could see that black smoke coming from miles away and talk to them on the radio as they chuckled. Myself along with Bennie and Alfonso did a bit of testing for
It’s been close to 50 years now when I came very close to colliding with a B-52! I was flying my little home built Duster out of Minden, Nevada. I was right over Mono Lake at 16,000 feet when I spotted a big ship to my left. He looked to be on acollision course, but was a good 1000 feet below me. He kept getting bigger and bigger as I suddenly realized he was CLIMBING! Too late to maneuver and I wasn’t going to show him my belly and not see my demise! He passed right under me so close that I
Later, I remembered that the little island in Mono Lake is the exit point for a low level Oil Burner route at exactly 16,000 feet………….I know this because I had flown that same route several times during my Air Force days!
Who else has had a close encounter with heavy metal?
JJ
There is no way the FAA can expect pilots to be aware of a TFR
with only 17 minutes notice. Even in my Phoenix, with an EFIS that shows
TFRs using ASDB info, I'd be likely to miss it. I think only an
emergency could justify that, and military aircraft would have to sweep
the area to direct aircraft out of the area, and then patrol the
boundary to prevent aircraft from entering.
On 10/28/22 7:22 AM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
There is no way the FAA can expect pilots to be aware of a TFR with only 17 minutes
notice. Even in my Phoenix, with an EFIS that shows TFRs using ASDB info, I'd be likely
to miss it. I think only an emergency could justify that, and military aircraft would
have to sweep the area to direct aircraft out of the area, and then patrol the boundary
to prevent aircraft from entering.
The FAA can and does issue "effective immediately" TFR's, typically for wildfires.
Compliance is your problem.
https://www.faa.gov/pilots/safety/notams_tfr/media/tfrweb.pdf
On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 9:17:22 PM UTC-4, sgs...@gmail.com wrote:Old Bob, The Purist
On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 12:01:31 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
Unless the rules have changed, an MOA is not restricted airspace. It's
a military operating area and you and I have as much right to fly there
as the military.
Having said that, I've been asked by ATC if I would mind deviating
around a "hot" MOA and I have never declined that request. I also
inquire as to the status of an MOA that I plan to enter or cross.
Dan
5J
On 10/28/22 18:47, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:59:08 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote: >>>>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:05:17 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote: >>>>>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:03:18 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote: >>>>>>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 9:28:35 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote: >>>>>>>> On 10/28/2022 6:08 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:32:22 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:...
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:37:10 AM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
A note to all you Big Dogs out of Seminole, check the Avon Park and Winter Haven airspace before making a costly mistake. I know that you guys go up and down Hwy 27 following each other so take foreflight with you and check the TFR postings.
MOA into three will allow the military to activate only those sectors needed for a mission, leaving the other sectors open for use by the public; and there are no changes to the overall lateral dimensions of the complex. On the other hand, the newThe FAA has finalized plans to amend special-use airspace over the Avon Park Air Force Range in central Florida.Ok Bob I found it. It's not a TFR it's a MOA. that makes all the differance.I don't know if this the same issue, but I have seen a few bogus TFRs on my Dynon SkyviewBob I don't think your forflight is giving you correct info on TFR's ? My stuff does not show any new TFR's in that area.I will send you a pic of yesterday! IT DID NOT SHOW U8NTIL AFTER 2 YESTERDAY
Can anybody else see them?
GB
EFIS. In those cases (at least three times), the FAA said they did not issue the TFRs that
showed on my screen, and Dynon said Skyview gets TFR data from the same ADSB data that has
the weather information. The bogus TFRs were not there at the beginning of the flights.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
The final rule subdivides the Lake Placid MOA into three separate areas, adds one sector above the existing Avon East MOA, and converts two MOAs to restricted areas. The changes represent a mixed bag for general aviation: On one hand, dividing the
access through this busy airspace.”
“AOPA has worked to educate the Air Force about the need for general aviation access to the Avon Park area,” said AOPA Manager of Air Traffic Services Tom Kramer. “With the subdivision of the Lake Placid MOA, GA pilots will have greater
Avon East MOA. The Avon North and South MOAs will become Restricted Areas R-2901 M and N, respectively. Effective times of the Basinger and Marian MOAs will now include “other times by notam.” These changes take effect July 29 at 0901 Zulu.
The Lake Placid MOA will now be three MOAs: Lake Placid North, East, and West. Additional times of use will now include “other times by notam.” Avon East High MOA will be added from 14,000 feet msl up to but not including 18,000 feet msl above
designation between the TFR and the MOA. Also the MOA restricted area is extended outward of the restricted area as defined on the map. This is absolutely nuts! OBTPOOPS this is a AOPA article from May 27, 2010Well, that hasn't happened, the problem is that Foreflight treats NOTAM's the same as TFR"s and if you are flying along and paying attention in a suspect airspace the Foreflight screen will depict the MOA area as a TFR and there is no color
a timeframe of 15 minutes to get through, in which I did. After landing I called the mission desk and was informed that that space while hot is not governed by atc Miami and they pretty much wash their hands of any IFR and VFR traffic within theYa, Dan - if you're IFR you are just seperated from an active MOA without discussion. If VFR in contact with ATC, they pretty much have to disown you if you're not planning to avoid it.sgs, you know this better than anyone, but I was caught in a bad situation a couple years back and needed ATC help. I called Miami ctr and requested help getting through the hot restricted area. It took a minute or two and I was given a code to sq and
I recall one of the Black Forest pilots attempting to return to BFSSOld Bob, The Purist
from the vicinity of Canon City and he was getting low and asked for clearance through one of the restricted areas around Ft. Carson.
Permission was denied so he declared an emergency. When asked the
nature of the emergency he said, "No fuel." He was cleared. They were
not amused when they discovered he was flying a glider.
Oh, IIRC the restricted area was an artillery range. I'd hate to fly
through there at the wrong time!
Dan
5J
On 10/30/22 00:05, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 9:17:22 PM UTC-4, sgs...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 12:01:31 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote: >>> Unless the rules have changed, an MOA is not restricted airspace. It's >>> a military operating area and you and I have as much right to fly there >>> as the military.
Having said that, I've been asked by ATC if I would mind deviating
around a "hot" MOA and I have never declined that request. I also
inquire as to the status of an MOA that I plan to enter or cross.
Dan
5J
On 10/28/22 18:47, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:59:08 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote: >>>>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:05:17 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:03:18 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 9:28:35 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/28/2022 6:08 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:32:22 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:...
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:37:10 AM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
A note to all you Big Dogs out of Seminole, check the Avon Park and Winter Haven airspace before making a costly mistake. I know that you guys go up and down Hwy 27 following each other so take foreflight with you and check the TFR postings.
the MOA into three will allow the military to activate only those sectors needed for a mission, leaving the other sectors open for use by the public; and there are no changes to the overall lateral dimensions of the complex. On the other hand, the newThe FAA has finalized plans to amend special-use airspace over the Avon Park Air Force Range in central Florida.Ok Bob I found it. It's not a TFR it's a MOA. that makes all the differance.I don't know if this the same issue, but I have seen a few bogus TFRs on my Dynon SkyviewBob I don't think your forflight is giving you correct info on TFR's ? My stuff does not show any new TFR's in that area.I will send you a pic of yesterday! IT DID NOT SHOW U8NTIL AFTER 2 YESTERDAY
Can anybody else see them?
GB
EFIS. In those cases (at least three times), the FAA said they did not issue the TFRs that
showed on my screen, and Dynon said Skyview gets TFR data from the same ADSB data that has
the weather information. The bogus TFRs were not there at the beginning of the flights.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
The final rule subdivides the Lake Placid MOA into three separate areas, adds one sector above the existing Avon East MOA, and converts two MOAs to restricted areas. The changes represent a mixed bag for general aviation: On one hand, dividing
access through this busy airspace.”
“AOPA has worked to educate the Air Force about the need for general aviation access to the Avon Park area,” said AOPA Manager of Air Traffic Services Tom Kramer. “With the subdivision of the Lake Placid MOA, GA pilots will have greater
above Avon East MOA. The Avon North and South MOAs will become Restricted Areas R-2901 M and N, respectively. Effective times of the Basinger and Marian MOAs will now include “other times by notam.” These changes take effect July 29 at 0901 Zulu.
The Lake Placid MOA will now be three MOAs: Lake Placid North, East, and West. Additional times of use will now include “other times by notam.” Avon East High MOA will be added from 14,000 feet msl up to but not including 18,000 feet msl
designation between the TFR and the MOA. Also the MOA restricted area is extended outward of the restricted area as defined on the map. This is absolutely nuts! OBTPOOPS this is a AOPA article from May 27, 2010Well, that hasn't happened, the problem is that Foreflight treats NOTAM's the same as TFR"s and if you are flying along and paying attention in a suspect airspace the Foreflight screen will depict the MOA area as a TFR and there is no color
and a timeframe of 15 minutes to get through, in which I did. After landing I called the mission desk and was informed that that space while hot is not governed by atc Miami and they pretty much wash their hands of any IFR and VFR traffic within theYa, Dan - if you're IFR you are just seperated from an active MOA without discussion. If VFR in contact with ATC, they pretty much have to disown you if you're not planning to avoid it.sgs, you know this better than anyone, but I was caught in a bad situation a couple years back and needed ATC help. I called Miami ctr and requested help getting through the hot restricted area. It took a minute or two and I was given a code to sq
On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 4:27:50 PM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:postings. Old Bob, The Purist
I recall one of the Black Forest pilots attempting to return to BFSS
from the vicinity of Canon City and he was getting low and asked for clearance through one of the restricted areas around Ft. Carson. Permission was denied so he declared an emergency. When asked the
nature of the emergency he said, "No fuel." He was cleared. They were
not amused when they discovered he was flying a glider.
Oh, IIRC the restricted area was an artillery range. I'd hate to fly through there at the wrong time!
Dan
5J
On 10/30/22 00:05, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 9:17:22 PM UTC-4, sgs...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 12:01:31 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote: >>> Unless the rules have changed, an MOA is not restricted airspace. It's >>> a military operating area and you and I have as much right to fly there
as the military.
Having said that, I've been asked by ATC if I would mind deviating
around a "hot" MOA and I have never declined that request. I also
inquire as to the status of an MOA that I plan to enter or cross.
Dan
5J
On 10/28/22 18:47, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:59:08 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:05:17 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:03:18 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 9:28:35 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/28/2022 6:08 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:32:22 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:...
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:37:10 AM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
A note to all you Big Dogs out of Seminole, check the Avon Park and Winter Haven airspace before making a costly mistake. I know that you guys go up and down Hwy 27 following each other so take foreflight with you and check the TFR
the MOA into three will allow the military to activate only those sectors needed for a mission, leaving the other sectors open for use by the public; and there are no changes to the overall lateral dimensions of the complex. On the other hand, the newThe FAA has finalized plans to amend special-use airspace over the Avon Park Air Force Range in central Florida.Ok Bob I found it. It's not a TFR it's a MOA. that makes all the differance.I don't know if this the same issue, but I have seen a few bogus TFRs on my Dynon SkyviewBob I don't think your forflight is giving you correct info on TFR's ? My stuff does not show any new TFR's in that area.I will send you a pic of yesterday! IT DID NOT SHOW U8NTIL AFTER 2 YESTERDAY
Can anybody else see them?
GB
EFIS. In those cases (at least three times), the FAA said they did not issue the TFRs that
showed on my screen, and Dynon said Skyview gets TFR data from the same ADSB data that has
the weather information. The bogus TFRs were not there at the beginning of the flights.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
The final rule subdivides the Lake Placid MOA into three separate areas, adds one sector above the existing Avon East MOA, and converts two MOAs to restricted areas. The changes represent a mixed bag for general aviation: On one hand, dividing
access through this busy airspace.”
“AOPA has worked to educate the Air Force about the need for general aviation access to the Avon Park area,” said AOPA Manager of Air Traffic Services Tom Kramer. “With the subdivision of the Lake Placid MOA, GA pilots will have greater
above Avon East MOA. The Avon North and South MOAs will become Restricted Areas R-2901 M and N, respectively. Effective times of the Basinger and Marian MOAs will now include “other times by notam.” These changes take effect July 29 at 0901 Zulu.
The Lake Placid MOA will now be three MOAs: Lake Placid North, East, and West. Additional times of use will now include “other times by notam.” Avon East High MOA will be added from 14,000 feet msl up to but not including 18,000 feet msl
designation between the TFR and the MOA. Also the MOA restricted area is extended outward of the restricted area as defined on the map. This is absolutely nuts! OBTPOOPS this is a AOPA article from May 27, 2010Well, that hasn't happened, the problem is that Foreflight treats NOTAM's the same as TFR"s and if you are flying along and paying attention in a suspect airspace the Foreflight screen will depict the MOA area as a TFR and there is no color
and a timeframe of 15 minutes to get through, in which I did. After landing I called the mission desk and was informed that that space while hot is not governed by atc Miami and they pretty much wash their hands of any IFR and VFR traffic within theYa, Dan - if you're IFR you are just seperated from an active MOA without discussion. If VFR in contact with ATC, they pretty much have to disown you if you're not planning to avoid it.sgs, you know this better than anyone, but I was caught in a bad situation a couple years back and needed ATC help. I called Miami ctr and requested help getting through the hot restricted area. It took a minute or two and I was given a code to sq
The restricted area north of Cal City was always listed as active, but Navy controllers would sometimes tell glider pilots if the range was hot or not………..we took that to mean we could safely use the western ridge located inside the restrictedarea!
JJThat is pretty much the case with 2901, yesterday I contacted the Mission Desk and confirmed that the range was cold prior to making my flight. If there were a better way to allow us entry when the area was cold would work well, I guess that would be
and a timeframe of 15 minutes to get through, in which I did. After landing I called the mission desk and was informed that that space while hot is not governed by atc Miami and they pretty much wash their hands of any IFR and VFR traffic within thesgs, you know this better than anyone, but I was caught in a bad situation a couple years back and needed ATC help. I called Miami ctr and requested help getting through the hot restricted area. It took a minute or two and I was given a code to sq
area!The restricted area north of Cal City was always listed as active, but Navy controllers would sometimes tell glider pilots if the range was hot or not………..we took that to mean we could safely use the western ridge located inside the restricted
asking for too much. Old Bob, The PuristJJThat is pretty much the case with 2901, yesterday I contacted the Mission Desk and confirmed that the range was cold prior to making my flight. If there were a better way to allow us entry when the area was cold would work well, I guess that would be
On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:40:08 PM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:sq and a timeframe of 15 minutes to get through, in which I did. After landing I called the mission desk and was informed that that space while hot is not governed by atc Miami and they pretty much wash their hands of any IFR and VFR traffic within the
On 10/31/2022 9:35 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
sgs, you know this better than anyone, but I was caught in a bad situation a couple years back and needed ATC help. I called Miami ctr and requested help getting through the hot restricted area. It took a minute or two and I was given a code to
restricted area!The restricted area north of Cal City was always listed as active, but Navy controllers would sometimes tell glider pilots if the range was hot or not………..we took that to mean we could safely use the western ridge located inside the
be asking for too much. Old Bob, The PuristJJThat is pretty much the case with 2901, yesterday I contacted the Mission Desk and confirmed that the range was cold prior to making my flight. If there were a better way to allow us entry when the area was cold would work well, I guess that would
don't clear in time there's likely to be some hullabaloo. By the way, a landout in the actual AGR would piss off somebody and-uh look out for the UXO!You can check the status using this website:
https://sua.faa.gov/sua/siteFrame.app
At some places, you can contact the controlling agency (like at Ely - "Clover Control") inHey Bob, I thought you had a system down for this. Mission desk should be able to tell you which frequency you can call on to check the real-time status vs. whatever your transit scheme is. Of course, if they tell you it's going hot at XX:XX and you
flight. It might be cold, or they might allow you through a portion of it, even if it's hot.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On 10/31/2022 9:35 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:and a timeframe of 15 minutes to get through, in which I did. After landing I called the mission desk and was informed that that space while hot is not governed by atc Miami and they pretty much wash their hands of any IFR and VFR traffic within the
sgs, you know this better than anyone, but I was caught in a bad situation a couple years back and needed ATC help. I called Miami ctr and requested help getting through the hot restricted area. It took a minute or two and I was given a code to sq
area!The restricted area north of Cal City was always listed as active, but Navy controllers would sometimes tell glider pilots if the range was hot or not………..we took that to mean we could safely use the western ridge located inside the restricted
asking for too much. Old Bob, The PuristJJThat is pretty much the case with 2901, yesterday I contacted the Mission Desk and confirmed that the range was cold prior to making my flight. If there were a better way to allow us entry when the area was cold would work well, I guess that would be
You can check the status using this website:Hey Bob, I thought you had a system down for this. Mission desk should be able to tell you which frequency you can call on to check the real-time status vs. whatever your transit scheme is. Of course, if they tell you it's going hot at XX:XX and you don'
https://sua.faa.gov/sua/siteFrame.app
At some places, you can contact the controlling agency (like at Ely - "Clover Control") in
flight. It might be cold, or they might allow you through a portion of it, even if it's hot.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 1:20:17 PM UTC-7, sgs...@gmail.com wrote:to sq and a timeframe of 15 minutes to get through, in which I did. After landing I called the mission desk and was informed that that space while hot is not governed by atc Miami and they pretty much wash their hands of any IFR and VFR traffic within
On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:40:08 PM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/31/2022 9:35 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
sgs, you know this better than anyone, but I was caught in a bad situation a couple years back and needed ATC help. I called Miami ctr and requested help getting through the hot restricted area. It took a minute or two and I was given a code
restricted area!The restricted area north of Cal City was always listed as active, but Navy controllers would sometimes tell glider pilots if the range was hot or not………..we took that to mean we could safely use the western ridge located inside the
would be asking for too much. Old Bob, The PuristJJThat is pretty much the case with 2901, yesterday I contacted the Mission Desk and confirmed that the range was cold prior to making my flight. If there were a better way to allow us entry when the area was cold would work well, I guess that
don't clear in time there's likely to be some hullabaloo. By the way, a landout in the actual AGR would piss off somebody and-uh look out for the UXO!You can check the status using this website:
https://sua.faa.gov/sua/siteFrame.app
At some places, you can contact the controlling agency (like at Ely - "Clover Control") inHey Bob, I thought you had a system down for this. Mission desk should be able to tell you which frequency you can call on to check the real-time status vs. whatever your transit scheme is. Of course, if they tell you it's going hot at XX:XX and you
flight. It might be cold, or they might allow you through a portion of it, even if it's hot.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Back in the late ‘60’s there was a soaring pilot that had a thick German accent who got lost somewhere north of LosVegas. He ended up landing on a dry lake that was used in testing A bombs! They thought they had a spy for sure!
A German that had two spy cameras attached to his canopy!!!
They interrogated him for a solid week and didn’t return his German Spy ship (H-301 Libelle) for another month!
I talked to him 10 years later and he was still too upset to even talk about it!
JJ
On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:01:24 PM UTC-4, johnsin...@yahoo.com wrote:to sq and a timeframe of 15 minutes to get through, in which I did. After landing I called the mission desk and was informed that that space while hot is not governed by atc Miami and they pretty much wash their hands of any IFR and VFR traffic within
On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 1:20:17 PM UTC-7, sgs...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:40:08 PM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/31/2022 9:35 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
sgs, you know this better than anyone, but I was caught in a bad situation a couple years back and needed ATC help. I called Miami ctr and requested help getting through the hot restricted area. It took a minute or two and I was given a code
restricted area!The restricted area north of Cal City was always listed as active, but Navy controllers would sometimes tell glider pilots if the range was hot or not………..we took that to mean we could safely use the western ridge located inside the
would be asking for too much. Old Bob, The PuristJJThat is pretty much the case with 2901, yesterday I contacted the Mission Desk and confirmed that the range was cold prior to making my flight. If there were a better way to allow us entry when the area was cold would work well, I guess that
you don't clear in time there's likely to be some hullabaloo. By the way, a landout in the actual AGR would piss off somebody and-uh look out for the UXO!You can check the status using this website:
https://sua.faa.gov/sua/siteFrame.app
At some places, you can contact the controlling agency (like at Ely - "Clover Control") inHey Bob, I thought you had a system down for this. Mission desk should be able to tell you which frequency you can call on to check the real-time status vs. whatever your transit scheme is. Of course, if they tell you it's going hot at XX:XX and
flight. It might be cold, or they might allow you through a portion of it, even if it's hot.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
it apparently.Back in the late ‘60’s there was a soaring pilot that had a thick German accent who got lost somewhere north of LosVegas. He ended up landing on a dry lake that was used in testing A bombs! They thought they had a spy for sure!Wow, in 1960 Dick Schreder was in a sailplane competition in West Germany and accidentally strayed across the border into East Germany. He and his sailplane were released and returned to the West in 24 hours. The commies didn't make a big deal out of
A German that had two spy cameras attached to his canopy!!!
They interrogated him for a solid week and didn’t return his German Spy ship (H-301 Libelle) for another month!
I talked to him 10 years later and he was still too upset to even talk about it!
JJ
Walt ConnellyKO landed at the Pratt & Whitney strip NW of PBI on a Sunday not very long after 9/11. Didn't dump his ballast, didn't have his wallet!! Not exactly area 51 but they do defence work there. Guards were very not-happy to have a bearded guy with an accent
You can check the status using this website:
https://sua.faa.gov/sua/siteFrame.app
On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:40:08 PM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:sq and a timeframe of 15 minutes to get through, in which I did. After landing I called the mission desk and was informed that that space while hot is not governed by atc Miami and they pretty much wash their hands of any IFR and VFR traffic within the
On 10/31/2022 9:35 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
sgs, you know this better than anyone, but I was caught in a bad situation a couple years back and needed ATC help. I called Miami ctr and requested help getting through the hot restricted area. It took a minute or two and I was given a code to
restricted area!The restricted area north of Cal City was always listed as active, but Navy controllers would sometimes tell glider pilots if the range was hot or not………..we took that to mean we could safely use the western ridge located inside the
be asking for too much. Old Bob, The PuristJJThat is pretty much the case with 2901, yesterday I contacted the Mission Desk and confirmed that the range was cold prior to making my flight. If there were a better way to allow us entry when the area was cold would work well, I guess that would
don't clear in time there's likely to be some hullabaloo. By the way, a landout in the actual AGR would piss off somebody and-uh look out for the UXO!You can check the status using this website:
https://sua.faa.gov/sua/siteFrame.app
At some places, you can contact the controlling agency (like at Ely - "Clover Control") inHey Bob, I thought you had a system down for this. Mission desk should be able to tell you which frequency you can call on to check the real-time status vs. whatever your transit scheme is. Of course, if they tell you it's going hot at XX:XX and you
flight. It might be cold, or they might allow you through a portion of it, even if it's hot.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
You can check the status using this website:
https://sua.faa.gov/sua/siteFrame.app
This is a very handy website. Does anybody know if there is a corresponding app for the Android phone?
On 11/1/2022 5:12 AM, Mark Mocho wrote:
You can check the status using this website:
https://sua.faa.gov/sua/siteFrame.app
This is a very handy website. Does anybody know if there is a corresponding app for the
Android phone?
It's supposed to work in the Chrome browser, but it doesn't on my Galaxy S8. It does work
in Safari on my iPhone 6. Here's the claim, and maybe you'd want to contact them:
https://sua.faa.gov/sua/SUA_Release_Notes.pdf
"The Special Use Airspace (SUA) Website provides a source to review airspace schedule and
temporary flight restriction (TFR) notice to airmen (NOTAM) data for flight planning
purposes.
The site offers a consistent look and feel, enhanced design, and improved functionality
implemented from approved SUA requirements.
Customer support is available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week by phone at 1-866-466-1336 or
email 7-AWA-NAIMES@faa.gov.
Comments and enhancements are welcomed from the communities of interest. A list of known
issues has been included in this document and will be updated as successive releases are
installed.
Browser Requirements
The application framework supports a minimum of Internet Explorer (IE) 11 and Google
Chrome browsers."
Skyvector.com on Brave works on my Galaxy S10e and shows the upcoming TFR around ABQ.
Dan
5J
On 11/1/22 06:12, Mark Mocho wrote:
You can check the status using this website:
https://sua.faa.gov/sua/siteFrame.app
This is a very handy website. Does anybody know if there is a corresponding app for the
Android phone?
You can check the status using this website:
https://sua.faa.gov/sua/siteFrame.app
This is a very handy website. Does anybody know if there is a corresponding app for the Android phone?
On 11/1/2022 10:34 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
Skyvector.com on Brave works on my Galaxy S10e and shows the upcomingThat's better than nothing (and I sometimes use it for TFRs), but it
TFR around ABQ.
Dan
5J
On 11/1/22 06:12, Mark Mocho wrote:
You can check the status using this website:
https://sua.faa.gov/sua/siteFrame.app
This is a very handy website. Does anybody know if there is a
corresponding app for the Android phone?
doesn't show the status of the Restricted Areas or MOAs. Those are the
main things I get from the FAA site, as digging it out of the NOTAMs is difficult
On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 7:35:12 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:postings. Old Bob, The Purist
On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 5:02:51 AM UTC-4, sgs...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:47:25 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:59:08 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:05:17 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:03:18 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 9:28:35 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/28/2022 6:08 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:32:22 AM UTC-4, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:...
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:37:10 AM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
A note to all you Big Dogs out of Seminole, check the Avon Park and Winter Haven airspace before making a costly mistake. I know that you guys go up and down Hwy 27 following each other so take foreflight with you and check the TFR
dividing the MOA into three will allow the military to activate only those sectors needed for a mission, leaving the other sectors open for use by the public; and there are no changes to the overall lateral dimensions of the complex. On the other hand,The FAA has finalized plans to amend special-use airspace over the Avon Park Air Force Range in central Florida.Ok Bob I found it. It's not a TFR it's a MOA. that makes all the differance.I don't know if this the same issue, but I have seen a few bogus TFRs on my Dynon SkyviewBob I don't think your forflight is giving you correct info on TFR's ? My stuff does not show any new TFR's in that area.I will send you a pic of yesterday! IT DID NOT SHOW U8NTIL AFTER 2 YESTERDAY
Can anybody else see them?
GB
EFIS. In those cases (at least three times), the FAA said they did not issue the TFRs that
showed on my screen, and Dynon said Skyview gets TFR data from the same ADSB data that has
the weather information. The bogus TFRs were not there at the beginning of the flights.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
The final rule subdivides the Lake Placid MOA into three separate areas, adds one sector above the existing Avon East MOA, and converts two MOAs to restricted areas. The changes represent a mixed bag for general aviation: On one hand,
access through this busy airspace.”“AOPA has worked to educate the Air Force about the need for general aviation access to the Avon Park area,” said AOPA Manager of Air Traffic Services Tom Kramer. “With the subdivision of the Lake Placid MOA, GA pilots will have greater
above Avon East MOA. The Avon North and South MOAs will become Restricted Areas R-2901 M and N, respectively. Effective times of the Basinger and Marian MOAs will now include “other times by notam.” These changes take effect July 29 at 0901 Zulu.The Lake Placid MOA will now be three MOAs: Lake Placid North, East, and West. Additional times of use will now include “other times by notam.” Avon East High MOA will be added from 14,000 feet msl up to but not including 18,000 feet msl
designation between the TFR and the MOA. Also the MOA restricted area is extended outward of the restricted area as defined on the map. This is absolutely nuts! OBTPOOPS this is a AOPA article from May 27, 2010Well, that hasn't happened, the problem is that Foreflight treats NOTAM's the same as TFR"s and if you are flying along and paying attention in a suspect airspace the Foreflight screen will depict the MOA area as a TFR and there is no color
their radar systems to determine if they could identify us. Most of the time they just gave up and we had to tell them where we were. Yep, gadgetry has really dumb down this sport. Old Bob, The PuristOBTP, it is very impure to be fondling such gadgetry in flight. Never catch me with it! Take that F-106 buzz the old-fashioned way!Well, back in the day it was the boys from Homestead that would buzz us in their F-4"s could see that black smoke coming from miles away and talk to them on the radio as they chuckled. Myself along with Bennie and Alfonso did a bit of testing for
It’s been close to 50 years now when I came very close to colliding with a B-52! I was flying my little home built Duster out of Minden, Nevada. I was right over Mono Lake at 16,000 feet when I spotted a big ship to my left. He looked to be on acollision course, but was a good 1000 feet below me. He kept getting bigger and bigger as I suddenly realized he was CLIMBING! Too late to maneuver and I wasn’t going to show him my belly and not see my demise! He passed right under me so close that I
Later, I remembered that the little island in Mono Lake is the exit point for a low level Oil Burner route at exactly 16,000 feet………….I know this because I had flown that same route several times during my Air Force days!
Who else has had a close encounter with heavy metal?
JJ
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