I must admit that I am guilty of lurking around this site for the past 20 years or so and have made a few comments in the past . Only a few years ago I decided that most of these experts need my help and therefore the introduction of OBTP. Now don'tget Old Bob wrong, I actually enjoy reading some of the more entertaining post on the forum, you know, the ones like Gilders On Mars, Water Landings, Yellow Triangles, and the Mary Monkey Sun Tree Dude.
The broad group of people here in the RAS group seem to be very enlightening yet thin skinned. My remarks about motorglider guys has stirred up a bees nest among this diverse soaring group of individuals, and I do mean individuals, they take thisstuff way too seriously!
So as Dan says, get the popcorn and beer ready, I would love to know why you too love RAS? I will be away for a while, hopefully returning sometime around Christmas. Fly safe! Old Bob, The Purist
On 9/23/2022 3:52 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:get Old Bob wrong, I actually enjoy reading some of the more entertaining post on the forum, you know, the ones like Gilders On Mars, Water Landings, Yellow Triangles, and the Mary Monkey Sun Tree Dude.
I must admit that I am guilty of lurking around this site for the past 20 years or so and have made a few comments in the past . Only a few years ago I decided that most of these experts need my help and therefore the introduction of OBTP. Now don't
stuff way too seriously!The broad group of people here in the RAS group seem to be very enlightening yet thin skinned. My remarks about motorglider guys has stirred up a bees nest among this diverse soaring group of individuals, and I do mean individuals, they take this
Who me, insult anyone, you must have me confused with DH. You need thicker skin Eric, looks like I took you guys to the cleaners. Old Bob, The Purist, I'll Be BackSo as Dan says, get the popcorn and beer ready, I would love to know why you too love RAS? I will be away for a while, hopefully returning sometime around Christmas. Fly safe! Old Bob, The PuristYou would get better results to your remarks if they weren't so relentlessly and
frequently offered on the same subject, and didn't insult a large group of pilots at the
same time. It's your obsession with deriding motorglider pilots that makes us think this
is not just light-hearted teasing, but reveals a strong bias on the subject. It's
frustrating when attempts to discuss this are met with deflection and refusal to offer
examples of what's bothering you.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 7:41:53 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:t get Old Bob wrong, I actually enjoy reading some of the more entertaining post on the forum, you know, the ones like Gilders On Mars, Water Landings, Yellow Triangles, and the Mary Monkey Sun Tree Dude.
On 9/23/2022 3:52 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
I must admit that I am guilty of lurking around this site for the past 20 years or so and have made a few comments in the past . Only a few years ago I decided that most of these experts need my help and therefore the introduction of OBTP. Now don'
stuff way too seriously!The broad group of people here in the RAS group seem to be very enlightening yet thin skinned. My remarks about motorglider guys has stirred up a bees nest among this diverse soaring group of individuals, and I do mean individuals, they take this
I'm thinking old Bob the Putinist gets exactly the result he wants. Hope he doesn't get kicked in the butt by the door as he departs...So as Dan says, get the popcorn and beer ready, I would love to know why you too love RAS? I will be away for a while, hopefully returning sometime around Christmas. Fly safe! Old Bob, The PuristYou would get better results to your remarks if they weren't so relentlessly and
frequently offered on the same subject, and didn't insult a large group of pilots at the
same time. It's your obsession with deriding motorglider pilots that makes us think this
is not just light-hearted teasing, but reveals a strong bias on the subject. It's
frustrating when attempts to discuss this are met with deflection and refusal to offer
examples of what's bothering you.
--Who me, insult anyone, you must have me confused with DH. You need thicker skin Eric, looks like I took you guys to the cleaners. Old Bob, The Purist, I'll Be Back
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 7:41:53 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:get Old Bob wrong, I actually enjoy reading some of the more entertaining post on the forum, you know, the ones like Gilders On Mars, Water Landings, Yellow Triangles, and the Mary Monkey Sun Tree Dude.
On 9/23/2022 3:52 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
I must admit that I am guilty of lurking around this site for the past 20 years or so and have made a few comments in the past . Only a few years ago I decided that most of these experts need my help and therefore the introduction of OBTP. Now don't
stuff way too seriously!The broad group of people here in the RAS group seem to be very enlightening yet thin skinned. My remarks about motorglider guys has stirred up a bees nest among this diverse soaring group of individuals, and I do mean individuals, they take this
Who me, insult anyone, you must have me confused with DH. You need thicker skin Eric, looks like I took you guys to the cleaners. Old Bob, The Purist, I'll Be BackSo as Dan says, get the popcorn and beer ready, I would love to know why you too love RAS? I will be away for a while, hopefully returning sometime around Christmas. Fly safe! Old Bob, The PuristYou would get better results to your remarks if they weren't so relentlessly and
frequently offered on the same subject, and didn't insult a large group of pilots at the
same time. It's your obsession with deriding motorglider pilots that makes us think this
is not just light-hearted teasing, but reveals a strong bias on the subject. It's
frustrating when attempts to discuss this are met with deflection and refusal to offer
examples of what's bothering you.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 7:41:53 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:t get Old Bob wrong, I actually enjoy reading some of the more entertaining post on the forum, you know, the ones like Gilders On Mars, Water Landings, Yellow Triangles, and the Mary Monkey Sun Tree Dude.
On 9/23/2022 3:52 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
I must admit that I am guilty of lurking around this site for the past 20 years or so and have made a few comments in the past . Only a few years ago I decided that most of these experts need my help and therefore the introduction of OBTP. Now don'
stuff way too seriously!The broad group of people here in the RAS group seem to be very enlightening yet thin skinned. My remarks about motorglider guys has stirred up a bees nest among this diverse soaring group of individuals, and I do mean individuals, they take this
So as Dan says, get the popcorn and beer ready, I would love to know why you too love RAS? I will be away for a while, hopefully returning sometime around Christmas. Fly safe! Old Bob, The PuristYou would get better results to your remarks if they weren't so relentlessly and
frequently offered on the same subject, and didn't insult a large group of pilots at the
same time. It's your obsession with deriding motorglider pilots that makes us think this
is not just light-hearted teasing, but reveals a strong bias on the subject. It's
frustrating when attempts to discuss this are met with deflection and refusal to offer
examples of what's bothering you.
--Who me, insult anyone, you must have me confused with DH. You need thicker skin Eric, looks like I took you guys to the cleaners. Old Bob, The Purist, I'll Be Back
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
What do I love about RAS? There sometimes are useful answers and information about topics that concern the sport of soaring. Unfortunately, much of this information is buried under totally useless comments by Old Bob The Purist, who reminds me of theannoying little pricks in school who relentlessly disrupted class and insulted, denigrated and bothered their fellow students in a misguided attempt to be the center of attention. Always insisting they are "jes' funnin' around" and think anyone who
What would we do without Old Bob The Purist's profound guidance? Worldwide readers of RAS have deep gratitude for having the morally perfect Old Bob The Purist around to correct them. “It’s incredible that whenever we falter, even in the slightest,we have Old Bob—a person who has never made a single mistake in his life—to set us right,” says nearly every reader of RAS, adding that Old Bob's boundless generosity with his perfected world view meant he would frequently offer to chime in and
Steve, somewhat old and not so pure.
.. and he always knows which way the wind blows:-)
On Sunday, 25 September 2022 at 16:52:41 UTC+1, s.bral...@gmail.com wrote:slightest, we have Old Bob—a person who has never made a single mistake in his life—to set us right,” says nearly every reader of RAS, adding that Old Bob's boundless generosity with his perfected world view meant he would frequently offer to chime
What would we do without Old Bob The Purist's profound guidance? Worldwide readers of RAS have deep gratitude for having the morally perfect Old Bob The Purist around to correct them. “It’s incredible that whenever we falter, even in the
Steve, somewhat old and not so pure... and he always knows which way the wind blows:-)
On Sunday, 25 September 2022 at 17:21:00 UTC+1, jpg...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, 25 September 2022 at 16:52:41 UTC+1, s.bral...@gmail.com
wrote:
What would we do without Old Bob The Purist's profound guidance?.. and he always knows which way the wind blows:-)
Worldwide readers of RAS have deep gratitude for having the morally
perfect Old Bob The Purist around to correct them. “It’s incredible
that whenever we falter, even in the slightest, we have Old Bob—a
person who has never made a single mistake in his life—to set us
right,” says nearly every reader of RAS, adding that Old Bob's
boundless generosity with his perfected world view meant he would
frequently offer to chime in and explain in great detail what
mistakes other glider pilots had made and why they were bad people
for doing what they had done. “What’s even more impressive is that he >> > attained perfection at such a young age. The rest of us flawed
vessels can only bow before his unimpeachable moral insight on where
we have gone wrong with our glider choices , post flying beverage,
and beliefs on any number of issues ranging from launch method to
true purity. Thankfully, he repeats his advice many times, or else
lesser beings like us would probably never understand its incredible
depths.” His close acquaintances added that the ethically flawless
man’s wife must feel especially lucky to always have him around.
Steve, somewhat old and not so pure.
Is that always an advantage?
The UK's new Prime Minister has been nicknamed by the French as The Iron Weathervane
It is essence of this sport that some 70+ geezer just babbles away same sentences to every single thread here, without any contribution to
thread topic, we have seen this many times before. That's what you get
when you allow keyboards at retirement homes. I wish there would be a
ignore list, as these guys are worse than traditional spam, you cannot
avoid them by not clicking thread subject, they just pop out everywhere randomly.
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 00:27:53 -0700 (PDT), krasw wrote:
It is essence of this sport that some 70+ geezer just babbles away same
sentences to every single thread here, without any contribution to
thread topic, we have seen this many times before. That's what you get
when you allow keyboards at retirement homes. I wish there would be a
ignore list, as these guys are worse than traditional spam, you cannot
avoid them by not clicking thread subject, they just pop out everywhere
randomly.
Every NNTP newsreader I've used allows you to ignore specific posts,
threads of authors (in increasing order of how many posts you avoid having
to see, but is sounds as if you're reading RAS via the Google app, which doesn't provide that facility. Small wonder: it was originally the OSS DejaVue until taken over by Google and renamed, and was used primarily as
the search tool for an associated NNTP archive.
So, if you want to ignore threads and/or posters, download and install a proper NNTP reader.
I'm using Pan despite its tendency to trash the system when you close it.
It allows you to ban posters for a time period as well as 'forever'.
Forte's Agent is probably the best NNTP newsreader I know, but it's not
free and is a Windows application. If I was a Windows user, which I'm not, I'd be using Agent.
On 9/26/2022 3:53 AM, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 00:27:53 -0700 (PDT), krasw wrote:
On 9/26/2022 3:53 AM, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 00:27:53 -0700 (PDT), krasw wrote:
It is essence of this sport that some 70+ geezer just babbles away same
sentences to every single thread here, without any contribution to
thread topic, we have seen this many times before. That's what you get
when you allow keyboards at retirement homes. I wish there would be a
ignore list, as these guys are worse than traditional spam, you cannot
avoid them by not clicking thread subject, they just pop out everywhere
randomly.
Every NNTP newsreader I've used allows you to ignore specific posts,
threads of authors (in increasing order of how many posts you avoid
having
to see, but is sounds as if you're reading RAS via the Google app, which
doesn't provide that facility. Small wonder: it was originally the OSS
DejaVue until taken over by Google and renamed, and was used primarily as
the search tool for an associated NNTP archive.
So, if you want to ignore threads and/or posters, download and install a
proper NNTP reader.
I'm using Pan despite its tendency to trash the system when you close it.
It allows you to ban posters for a time period as well as 'forever'.
Forte's Agent is probably the best NNTP newsreader I know, but it's not
free and is a Windows application. If I was a Windows user, which I'm
not,
I'd be using Agent.
Thunderbird, a free email application, also works well for RAS and other Usenet groups. It has an "ignore" key (K) for threads, and a filter
function (I filter out Daryl the Penis guy and Manual Solutions), and
much more. It's also a very good email application that runs on Windows, Linux, and MacOS in over 40 languages.
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/
What do I love about RAS? There sometimes are useful answers and information about topics that concern the sport of soaring. Unfortunately, much of this information is buried under totally useless comments by Old Bob The Purist, who reminds me of theannoying little pricks in school who relentlessly disrupted class and insulted, denigrated and bothered their fellow students in a misguided attempt to be the center of attention. Always insisting they are "jes' funnin' around" and think anyone who
It is essence of this sport that some 70+ geezer just babbles away same sentences to every single thread here, without any contribution to thread topic, we have seen this many times before. That's what you get when you allow keyboards at retirementhomes. I wish there would be a ignore list, as these guys are worse than traditional spam, you cannot avoid them by not clicking thread subject, they just pop out everywhere randomly.
On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 00:27:53 -0700 (PDT), krasw wrote:
It is essence of this sport that some 70+ geezer just babbles away same
sentences to every single thread here, without any contribution to
thread topic, we have seen this many times before. That's what you get
when you allow keyboards at retirement homes. I wish there would be a
ignore list, as these guys are worse than traditional spam, you cannot
avoid them by not clicking thread subject, they just pop out everywhere
randomly.
Every NNTP newsreader I've used allows you to ignore specific posts,
threads of authors (in increasing order of how many posts you avoid having
to see, but is sounds as if you're reading RAS via the Google app, which doesn't provide that facility. Small wonder: it was originally the OSS DejaVue until taken over by Google and renamed, and was used primarily as
the search tool for an associated NNTP archive.
So, if you want to ignore threads and/or posters, download and install a proper NNTP reader.
I'm using Pan despite its tendency to trash the system when you close it.
It allows you to ban posters for a time period as well as 'forever'.
Forte's Agent is probably the best NNTP newsreader I know, but it's not
free and is a Windows application. If I was a Windows user, which I'm not, I'd be using Agent.
It is essence of this sport that some 70+ geezer just babbles away same sentences to every single thread here, without any contribution to thread topic, we have seen this many times before. That's what you get when you allow keyboards at retirementhomes. I wish there would be a ignore list, as these guys are worse than traditional spam, you cannot avoid them by not clicking thread subject, they just pop out everywhere randomly.
As a 70+ geezer, let me point out to you that you will be one as well,
all too soon (for your liking).
And, if you used an application other than google to read this
newsgroup, you, too, could mark any thread or author to be ignored.
Take a little initiative and learn how rather than simply complaining.
Dan
5J
On Monday, 26 September 2022 at 19:15:27 UTC+3, Dan Marotta wrote:
As a 70+ geezer, let me point out to you that you will be one as well,
all too soon (for your liking).
And, if you used an application other than google to read this
newsgroup, you, too, could mark any thread or author to be ignored.
Take a little initiative and learn how rather than simply complaining.
Dan
5J
No. I just complain here about the same thing over and over again. I'm not going to change my opinions, thinking or actions.
Thunderbird, a free email application, also works well for RAS and other Usenet groups. It
has an "ignore" key (K) for threads, and a filter function (I filter out Daryl the Penis
guy and Manual Solutions), and much more. It's also a very good email application that
runs on Windows, Linux, and MacOS in over 40 languages.
What do you put into "account" in the "subscribe" menu to get to the groups?You put in the name you used to set up the Usenet account. I named my account "Usenet",
Thunderbird, a free email application, also works well for RAS and other Usenet groups. It
has an "ignore" key (K) for threads, and a filter function (I filter out Daryl the Penis
guy and Manual Solutions), and much more. It's also a very good email application that
runs on Windows, Linux, and MacOS in over 40 languages.
Well done! A true RASser. Sounds like you've already achieved geezerhood.
There's a beer waiting in my fridge should you ever get to Moriarty.
Dan
5J
On Tuesday, 27 September 2022 at 19:20:21 UTC+3, Dan Marotta wrote:
Well done! A true RASser. Sounds like you've already achieved geezerhood.
There's a beer waiting in my fridge should you ever get to Moriarty.
Dan
5J
Thanks. And no offense to geezers, I just get tired of some posters here. Most clever people just stay away because of those, I try to do the same.
Has everybody noticed how pleasant RAS has been for the last ten days? It's amazing how the absence of one person can improve the experience for so many others. OBTP threatens to be back around Christmas, so we should enjoy it while we can.
Completely agree with both Marks.
The constant old fart bickering really takes away from a great forum. Such a shame we can't moderate and block him and a couple others.
On 10/4/22 09:09, Scott Zivley wrote:
Completely agree with both Marks.
The constant old fart bickering really takes away from a great forum.
Such a shame we can't moderate and block him and a couple others.
??? How many times have kill files been discussed here?
Just step back to the 20th century and drop google. Then you can block anyone you want by using a news reader and without moderators.Well boys, Old Bob, The Purist, is back for a couple of days, getting my body engine examined and ready for many more years of RAS! Some of you have been very naughty boys, coming out of the woodwork to defecate on Old Bob, yep, Mocho and his minions
-Or-
Head over to the New and Improved RAS Prime and quit bitching about Ol' Bob.
-Or-
Just ignore posts you don't like and can't figure out the old tech stuff.
Dan
5J
On 10/4/22 09:17, kinsell wrote:
On 10/4/22 09:09, Scott Zivley wrote:
Completely agree with both Marks.
The constant old fart bickering really takes away from a great forum.
Such a shame we can't moderate and block him and a couple others.
??? How many times have kill files been discussed here?
What have I done to support soaring? Well, let's see:PBS TJ-100 (2010), four Schempp-Hirth Arcus Js with retractable PBS TJ-100 (2016-2018), and one other glider with retractable twin jets (2022) (Note: details on this particular application will be forthcoming when Desert Aerospace officially announces it.
Served on the Albuquerque Soaring Club Board in a few different positions (four terms at least).
Support and maintain all ASC tow ropes and weak links for the last 15 years. Support and maintain ASC oxygen refill equipment for the last 22 years. Installed 100+ oxygen systems in hang gliders and sailplanes. (FYI: supplemental oxygen helps maintain mental function. OBTP should try it.)
Built 35 glider trailers.
Built 350+ wing wheels.
Built 400+ tow bars.
Built 275+ WingRiggers.
Repaired many damaged trailers and other equipment for visiting pilots in distress.
Helped produce Emmy Award-winning documentary "Cloudstreet: Soaring the American West," including fabricating all of the camera mounts, flying in the video and assisting with post-production.
Financed and installed OGN tracker for the ASC.
Attended 12 SSA Conventions, including 8 as an exhibitor.
Instrumental in the development of 8 jet powered sailplanes in conjunction with Desert Aerospace: one Alisport Silent J with retractable twin AMT450 microjets (2004), one Salto with fixed mount PBS TJ-100 (2008), one TsT-14J BonusJet with retractable
Worked with Bob and Laurie Carlton (Vertigo Airshows) as they showcased the jet powered Alisport Silent and SuperSalto sailplanes at many airshows around the world, including 12 appearances at EAA Airventure, 5 at EAA Sun 'n Fun, and 6 at theAustralian International Airshow.
Assisted with training over 75 pilots in the operation of the TsT-14J BonusJet, resulting in addition of turbojet authorizations to their Pilot Certificate.authorizations, but I mostly fly my Centrair Pegase 101A. Yes, I have about 5,000 hours of "pure" unpowered flight between hang gliders and pure sailplanes. I consider almost all glider and power pilots as my friends. However, I am willing to make
I hold two turbojet authorizations on my own Pilot Certificate, but I don't have a powered airplane endorsement. (Yes, that makes me a purist, but I don't toot my horn about it.)
And, as many of my friends are aware, I have been working on numerous other aviation related projects I am not permitted to mention, due to Non-Disclosure Agreements. Several of these involve sailplanes, motorgliders and other powered aircraft.
So, I have been involved in soaring in a number of capacities, as well as enjoying a 28-year involvement with hang gliding (1973-2001) before getting into sailplanes in 2000. I have a self-launch endorsement, as well as the aforementioned turbojet
On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 6:38:30 PM UTC-4, Mark Mocho wrote:PBS TJ-100 (2010), four Schempp-Hirth Arcus Js with retractable PBS TJ-100 (2016-2018), and one other glider with retractable twin jets (2022) (Note: details on this particular application will be forthcoming when Desert Aerospace officially announces it.
What have I done to support soaring? Well, let's see:
Served on the Albuquerque Soaring Club Board in a few different positions (four terms at least).
Support and maintain all ASC tow ropes and weak links for the last 15 years.
Support and maintain ASC oxygen refill equipment for the last 22 years. Installed 100+ oxygen systems in hang gliders and sailplanes. (FYI: supplemental oxygen helps maintain mental function. OBTP should try it.)
Built 35 glider trailers.
Built 350+ wing wheels.
Built 400+ tow bars.
Built 275+ WingRiggers.
Repaired many damaged trailers and other equipment for visiting pilots in distress.
Helped produce Emmy Award-winning documentary "Cloudstreet: Soaring the American West," including fabricating all of the camera mounts, flying in the video and assisting with post-production.
Financed and installed OGN tracker for the ASC.
Attended 12 SSA Conventions, including 8 as an exhibitor.
Instrumental in the development of 8 jet powered sailplanes in conjunction with Desert Aerospace: one Alisport Silent J with retractable twin AMT450 microjets (2004), one Salto with fixed mount PBS TJ-100 (2008), one TsT-14J BonusJet with retractable
Australian International Airshow.Worked with Bob and Laurie Carlton (Vertigo Airshows) as they showcased the jet powered Alisport Silent and SuperSalto sailplanes at many airshows around the world, including 12 appearances at EAA Airventure, 5 at EAA Sun 'n Fun, and 6 at the
authorizations, but I mostly fly my Centrair Pegase 101A. Yes, I have about 5,000 hours of "pure" unpowered flight between hang gliders and pure sailplanes. I consider almost all glider and power pilots as my friends. However, I am willing to makeAssisted with training over 75 pilots in the operation of the TsT-14J BonusJet, resulting in addition of turbojet authorizations to their Pilot Certificate.
I hold two turbojet authorizations on my own Pilot Certificate, but I don't have a powered airplane endorsement. (Yes, that makes me a purist, but I don't toot my horn about it.)
And, as many of my friends are aware, I have been working on numerous other aviation related projects I am not permitted to mention, due to Non-Disclosure Agreements. Several of these involve sailplanes, motorgliders and other powered aircraft.
So, I have been involved in soaring in a number of capacities, as well as enjoying a 28-year involvement with hang gliding (1973-2001) before getting into sailplanes in 2000. I have a self-launch endorsement, as well as the aforementioned turbojet
Seems to me that the things that you listed supported yourself, I am pretty sure you sold all those attachments, put that money in your pocket and there is no problem with that at all, but you did all of these things for yourself, your reputationprecedes your appearance. Oh well at least you answered. Old Bob, The Purist
On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 3:08:15 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:such as the Zivley bros, Krasw, Martin, and N5 seem to be shooting arrows at Old Bob. Now listen up Mocho Minions, I will ask you each the same question and I would really appreciate an answer. What have each one of you done to advance and support
Well boys, Old Bob, The Purist, is back for a couple of days, getting my body engine examined and ready for many more years of RAS! Some of you have been very naughty boys, coming out of the woodwork to defecate on Old Bob, yep, Mocho and his minions
Now most of you know that these guys will never answer that question, but it is a fair and honest question.Bob, The Purist
I was able to get into my beloved Pure Glider the last two days and take a stroll out toward the West, Ian damage is visible as far as the eye can see. I will be back in a couple of weeks, hold the fort down, I know which way the wind is blowing! Old
On 10/6/2022 1:48 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:such as the Zivley bros, Krasw, Martin, and N5 seem to be shooting arrows at Old Bob. Now listen up Mocho Minions, I will ask you each the same question and I would really appreciate an answer. What have each one of you done to advance and support
On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 3:08:15 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
Well boys, Old Bob, The Purist, is back for a couple of days, getting my body engine examined and ready for many more years of RAS! Some of you have been very naughty boys, coming out of the woodwork to defecate on Old Bob, yep, Mocho and his minions
Bob, The PuristNow most of you know that these guys will never answer that question, but it is a fair and honest question.
I was able to get into my beloved Pure Glider the last two days and take a stroll out toward the West, Ian damage is visible as far as the eye can see. I will be back in a couple of weeks, hold the fort down, I know which way the wind is blowing! Old
You missed a grand opportunity to inform and impress the people on RAS, where you could'veEric, I can tell you are happy to have me back for a few days. I will be glad to send you pics of the damage, just today I flew over toward the ravaged land and avoided the TFR unlike some motorglider pilots do. I only saw a land covered with water,
posted a few pictures of the damage with your OLC flight, along with a few comments;
instead, you chose to insult and denigrate. It's sad, Bob, because you could be an asset
here, but your actions here ensure we're always talking about about your "aw, shit"
moments, instead of the things you do right.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 7:32:51 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:such as the Zivley bros, Krasw, Martin, and N5 seem to be shooting arrows at Old Bob. Now listen up Mocho Minions, I will ask you each the same question and I would really appreciate an answer. What have each one of you done to advance and support
On 10/6/2022 1:48 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 3:08:15 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
Well boys, Old Bob, The Purist, is back for a couple of days, getting my body engine examined and ready for many more years of RAS! Some of you have been very naughty boys, coming out of the woodwork to defecate on Old Bob, yep, Mocho and his minions
Bob, The PuristNow most of you know that these guys will never answer that question, but it is a fair and honest question.
I was able to get into my beloved Pure Glider the last two days and take a stroll out toward the West, Ian damage is visible as far as the eye can see. I will be back in a couple of weeks, hold the fort down, I know which way the wind is blowing! Old
worked my way around the TFR unlike some motorglider pilots do, and came back home for an enjoyable evening with RAS.You missed a grand opportunity to inform and impress the people on RAS, where you could'veEric, I can tell you are happy to have me back for a few days. I will be glad to send you pics of the damage, just today I flew over toward the ravaged land and avoided the TFR unlike some motorglider pilots do. I only saw a land covered with water,
posted a few pictures of the damage with your OLC flight, along with a few comments;
instead, you chose to insult and denigrate. It's sad, Bob, because you could be an asset
here, but your actions here ensure we're always talking about about your "aw, shit"
moments, instead of the things you do right.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
What you should consider is gathering all the persons whom object to free speech and go on over to RAS Prime, that was certainly created for the MInions , yet they found no desire to develop something new. You should encourage those whom do not likewhat someone says to either ignore or go to another venue, say you? Anyway, it was a so so day here today, I worked around the TFR that once again was active from 11 am to 11pm, and they are somewhat active in other areas of SW Florida. Just returned
On 10/6/2022 4:48 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:minions such as the Zivley bros, Krasw, Martin, and N5 seem to be shooting arrows at Old Bob. Now listen up Mocho Minions, I will ask you each the same question and I would really appreciate an answer. What have each one of you done to advance and
On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 7:32:51 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/6/2022 1:48 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 3:08:15 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
Well boys, Old Bob, The Purist, is back for a couple of days, getting my body engine examined and ready for many more years of RAS! Some of you have been very naughty boys, coming out of the woodwork to defecate on Old Bob, yep, Mocho and his
Old Bob, The PuristNow most of you know that these guys will never answer that question, but it is a fair and honest question.
I was able to get into my beloved Pure Glider the last two days and take a stroll out toward the West, Ian damage is visible as far as the eye can see. I will be back in a couple of weeks, hold the fort down, I know which way the wind is blowing!
worked my way around the TFR unlike some motorglider pilots do, and came back home for an enjoyable evening with RAS.You missed a grand opportunity to inform and impress the people on RAS, where you could'veEric, I can tell you are happy to have me back for a few days. I will be glad to send you pics of the damage, just today I flew over toward the ravaged land and avoided the TFR unlike some motorglider pilots do. I only saw a land covered with water,
posted a few pictures of the damage with your OLC flight, along with a few comments;
instead, you chose to insult and denigrate. It's sad, Bob, because you could be an asset
here, but your actions here ensure we're always talking about about your "aw, shit"
moments, instead of the things you do right.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
what someone says to either ignore or go to another venue, say you? Anyway, it was a so so day here today, I worked around the TFR that once again was active from 11 am to 11pm, and they are somewhat active in other areas of SW Florida. Just returnedWhat you should consider is gathering all the persons whom object to free speech and go on over to RAS Prime, that was certainly created for the MInions , yet they found no desire to develop something new. You should encourage those whom do not like
Try it for a month - just one month without the remarks that earn you an "aw, shit". Let
Eileen read your remarks before you post them, and take her advice. It seems you aren't
even aware of what you are doing.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 7:32:51 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:minions such as the Zivley bros, Krasw, Martin, and N5 seem to be shooting arrows at Old Bob. Now listen up Mocho Minions, I will ask you each the same question and I would really appreciate an answer. What have each one of you done to advance and
On 10/6/2022 1:48 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 3:08:15 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
Well boys, Old Bob, The Purist, is back for a couple of days, getting my body engine examined and ready for many more years of RAS! Some of you have been very naughty boys, coming out of the woodwork to defecate on Old Bob, yep, Mocho and his
Old Bob, The PuristNow most of you know that these guys will never answer that question, but it is a fair and honest question.
I was able to get into my beloved Pure Glider the last two days and take a stroll out toward the West, Ian damage is visible as far as the eye can see. I will be back in a couple of weeks, hold the fort down, I know which way the wind is blowing!
worked my way around the TFR unlike some motorglider pilots do, and came back home for an enjoyable evening with RAS.You missed a grand opportunity to inform and impress the people on RAS, where you could'veEric, I can tell you are happy to have me back for a few days. I will be glad to send you pics of the damage, just today I flew over toward the ravaged land and avoided the TFR unlike some motorglider pilots do. I only saw a land covered with water,
posted a few pictures of the damage with your OLC flight, along with a few comments;
instead, you chose to insult and denigrate. It's sad, Bob, because you could be an asset
here, but your actions here ensure we're always talking about about your "aw, shit"
moments, instead of the things you do right.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
What you should consider is gathering all the persons whom object to free speech and go on over to RAS Prime, that was certainly created for the MInions , yet they found no desire to develop something new. You should encourage those whom do not likewhat someone says to either ignore or go to another venue, say you? Anyway, it was a so so day here today, I worked around the TFR that once again was active from 11 am to 11pm, and they are somewhat active in other areas of SW Florida. Just returned
On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 4:48:18 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:minions such as the Zivley bros, Krasw, Martin, and N5 seem to be shooting arrows at Old Bob. Now listen up Mocho Minions, I will ask you each the same question and I would really appreciate an answer. What have each one of you done to advance and
On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 7:32:51 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/6/2022 1:48 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 3:08:15 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
Well boys, Old Bob, The Purist, is back for a couple of days, getting my body engine examined and ready for many more years of RAS! Some of you have been very naughty boys, coming out of the woodwork to defecate on Old Bob, yep, Mocho and his
Old Bob, The PuristNow most of you know that these guys will never answer that question, but it is a fair and honest question.
I was able to get into my beloved Pure Glider the last two days and take a stroll out toward the West, Ian damage is visible as far as the eye can see. I will be back in a couple of weeks, hold the fort down, I know which way the wind is blowing!
worked my way around the TFR unlike some motorglider pilots do, and came back home for an enjoyable evening with RAS.You missed a grand opportunity to inform and impress the people on RAS, where you could'veEric, I can tell you are happy to have me back for a few days. I will be glad to send you pics of the damage, just today I flew over toward the ravaged land and avoided the TFR unlike some motorglider pilots do. I only saw a land covered with water,
posted a few pictures of the damage with your OLC flight, along with a few comments;
instead, you chose to insult and denigrate. It's sad, Bob, because you could be an asset
here, but your actions here ensure we're always talking about about your "aw, shit"
moments, instead of the things you do right.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
what someone says to either ignore or go to another venue, say you? Anyway, it was a so so day here today, I worked around the TFR that once again was active from 11 am to 11pm, and they are somewhat active in other areas of SW Florida. Just returnedWhat you should consider is gathering all the persons whom object to free speech and go on over to RAS Prime, that was certainly created for the MInions , yet they found no desire to develop something new. You should encourage those whom do not like
There you go AGAIN, PottyMouth Bobbi - making wild accusations w/o a shred of proof. Show us something like a FlightAware trace of a motorglider violating a TFR (you will also have to present evidence of the TFR as FlightAware does not).
Tom
On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 6:38:30 PM UTC-4, Mark Mocho wrote:PBS TJ-100 (2010), four Schempp-Hirth Arcus Js with retractable PBS TJ-100 (2016-2018), and one other glider with retractable twin jets (2022) (Note: details on this particular application will be forthcoming when Desert Aerospace officially announces it.
What have I done to support soaring? Well, let's see:
Served on the Albuquerque Soaring Club Board in a few different positions (four terms at least).
Support and maintain all ASC tow ropes and weak links for the last 15 years. >> Support and maintain ASC oxygen refill equipment for the last 22 years.
Installed 100+ oxygen systems in hang gliders and sailplanes. (FYI: supplemental oxygen helps maintain mental function. OBTP should try it.)
Built 35 glider trailers.
Built 350+ wing wheels.
Built 400+ tow bars.
Built 275+ WingRiggers.
Repaired many damaged trailers and other equipment for visiting pilots in distress.
Helped produce Emmy Award-winning documentary "Cloudstreet: Soaring the American West," including fabricating all of the camera mounts, flying in the video and assisting with post-production.
Financed and installed OGN tracker for the ASC.
Attended 12 SSA Conventions, including 8 as an exhibitor.
Instrumental in the development of 8 jet powered sailplanes in conjunction with Desert Aerospace: one Alisport Silent J with retractable twin AMT450 microjets (2004), one Salto with fixed mount PBS TJ-100 (2008), one TsT-14J BonusJet with retractable
Australian International Airshow.Worked with Bob and Laurie Carlton (Vertigo Airshows) as they showcased the jet powered Alisport Silent and SuperSalto sailplanes at many airshows around the world, including 12 appearances at EAA Airventure, 5 at EAA Sun 'n Fun, and 6 at the
authorizations, but I mostly fly my Centrair Pegase 101A. Yes, I have about 5,000 hours of "pure" unpowered flight between hang gliders and pure sailplanes. I consider almost all glider and power pilots as my friends. However, I am willing to makeAssisted with training over 75 pilots in the operation of the TsT-14J BonusJet, resulting in addition of turbojet authorizations to their Pilot Certificate.
I hold two turbojet authorizations on my own Pilot Certificate, but I don't have a powered airplane endorsement. (Yes, that makes me a purist, but I don't toot my horn about it.)
And, as many of my friends are aware, I have been working on numerous other aviation related projects I am not permitted to mention, due to Non-Disclosure Agreements. Several of these involve sailplanes, motorgliders and other powered aircraft.
So, I have been involved in soaring in a number of capacities, as well as enjoying a 28-year involvement with hang gliding (1973-2001) before getting into sailplanes in 2000. I have a self-launch endorsement, as well as the aforementioned turbojet
Seems to me that the things that you listed supported yourself, I am pretty sure you sold all those attachments, put that money in your pocket and there is no problem with that at all, but you did all of these things for yourself, your reputationprecedes your appearance. Oh well at least you answered. Old Bob, The Purist
I saw Bob's flight on OLC that day, in case you haven't exhausted all of your investigative options.until the TFR was terminated. (I sent my wife out to get a few things on the list and she came home with $700 worth of relief supplies.)
As I saw it, R2901 was hot and had a TFR overlayed and there were two nearly overlapping TFR's around Fort Myers. I was checking TFR's because Brandon was in FMY and my son was waiting to go on a relief mission flight to Pine Island and had to wait
There was a glider track on OLC going through the TFR that day, but it was deleted - most likely after the pilot was alerted after the fact that he may have missed that there was a TFR in effect.
PA
On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 8:51:01 AM UTC-7, bluej...@gmail.com wrote:until the TFR was terminated. (I sent my wife out to get a few things on the list and she came home with $700 worth of relief supplies.)
I saw Bob's flight on OLC that day, in case you haven't exhausted all of your investigative options.
As I saw it, R2901 was hot and had a TFR overlayed and there were two nearly overlapping TFR's around Fort Myers. I was checking TFR's because Brandon was in FMY and my son was waiting to go on a relief mission flight to Pine Island and had to wait
There was a glider track on OLC going through the TFR that day, but it was deleted - most likely after the pilot was alerted after the fact that he may have missed that there was a TFR in effect.
PA
Then what towplane was used by Bobbi (neither of his showed up on FlightAware)? Are they not equipped with a transponder???
Tom
On 10/7/2022 11:39 AM, 2G wrote:until the TFR was terminated. (I sent my wife out to get a few things on the list and she came home with $700 worth of relief supplies.)
On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 8:51:01 AM UTC-7, bluej...@gmail.com wrote:
I saw Bob's flight on OLC that day, in case you haven't exhausted all of your investigative options.
As I saw it, R2901 was hot and had a TFR overlayed and there were two nearly overlapping TFR's around Fort Myers. I was checking TFR's because Brandon was in FMY and my son was waiting to go on a relief mission flight to Pine Island and had to wait
A voice came over the radio and said ,"Beam Them Up Bobbi" and off they went, this is better that the Ellery Queen mysteries of the past. what surprises me is that you guys are so naïve that if the clue was right under your nose you could not find it.
There was a glider track on OLC going through the TFR that day, but it was deleted - most likely after the pilot was alerted after the fact that he may have missed that there was a TFR in effect.
PA
Then what towplane was used by Bobbi (neither of his showed up on FlightAware)? Are they not equipped with a transponder???
TomFlightAware showed a PA18 coming from TIX to X52 on Oct 6, making two departures from X52,
and returning to TIX. This the departure to TIX:
N90957 PA18 Space Coast Rgnl (KTIX) 03:10p EDT 03:49p EDT
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 3:00:32 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:..
On 10/7/2022 11:39 AM, 2G wrote:
As my favorite MG guy Fitch will tell you that if OBTP makes a claim he can back it up. There are people within the RAS group that are well aware of the infraction, yet you claim it to be an assertion.A voice came over the radio and said ,"Beam Them Up Bobbi" and off they went, this is better that the Ellery Queen mysteries of the past. what surprises me is that you guys are so naïve that if the clue was right under your nose you could not find it.FlightAware showed a PA18 coming from TIX to X52 on Oct 6, making two departures from X52,
Then what towplane was used by Bobbi (neither of his showed up on FlightAware)? Are they not equipped with a transponder???
Tom
and returning to TIX. This the departure to TIX:
N90957 PA18 Space Coast Rgnl (KTIX) 03:10p EDT 03:49p EDT
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Eric seems to think that bringing my lovely wife into this septic tank is a honorable task, I disagree, you should have more class than that. If you think my opinions on motorgliders rattles your chains I am a choirs boy compared to her opinions.Bob, The Purist
So you guys keep digging, I have supplied Eric with the TFR map for that day, maybe he should confirm, hopefully DH could get some sleep tonight. I had a great time towing youth members today even on my birthday, wouldn't have it any other way. Old
I think we all know who turned RAS into a septic tank. We had twelve days of pleasant discourse while he was gone. I think we need to flush again.Now we have the Moron From Moriarty, AKA, MFM, commenting, what a hoot! I better go get another Cuba Libre to get through the night. This thread is one of the better ones on RAS, every time I mention something other than the way the wind blows either MFM
On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 6:41:07 PM UTC-4, Mark Mocho wrote:MFM or DH replies, this is why I am considering buying a motorglider. Old Bob, The Purist
I think we all know who turned RAS into a septic tank. We had twelve days of pleasant discourse while he was gone. I think we need to flush again.Now we have the Moron From Moriarty, AKA, MFM, commenting, what a hoot! I better go get another Cuba Libre to get through the night. This thread is one of the better ones on RAS, every time I mention something other than the way the wind blows either
On 10/7/2022 11:39 AM, 2G wrote:until the TFR was terminated. (I sent my wife out to get a few things on the list and she came home with $700 worth of relief supplies.)
On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 8:51:01 AM UTC-7, bluej...@gmail.com wrote:
I saw Bob's flight on OLC that day, in case you haven't exhausted all of your investigative options.
As I saw it, R2901 was hot and had a TFR overlayed and there were two nearly overlapping TFR's around Fort Myers. I was checking TFR's because Brandon was in FMY and my son was waiting to go on a relief mission flight to Pine Island and had to wait
There was a glider track on OLC going through the TFR that day, but it was deleted - most likely after the pilot was alerted after the fact that he may have missed that there was a TFR in effect.
PA
Then what towplane was used by Bobbi (neither of his showed up on FlightAware)? Are they not equipped with a transponder???
TomFlightAware showed a PA18 coming from TIX to X52 on Oct 6, making two departures from X52,
and returning to TIX. This the departure to TIX:
N90957 PA18 Space Coast Rgnl (KTIX) 03:10p EDT 03:49p EDT
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Now we have the Moron From Moriarty, AKA, MFM, commenting, what a hoot!
I better go get another Cuba Libre to get through the night. This thread
is one of the better ones on RAS, every time I mention something other
than the way the wind blows either MFM or DH replies, this is why I am considering buying a motorglider. Old Bob, The Purist
On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 5:11:16 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:MFM or DH replies, this is why I am considering buying a motorglider. Old Bob, The Purist
On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 6:41:07 PM UTC-4, Mark Mocho wrote:
I think we all know who turned RAS into a septic tank. We had twelve days of pleasant discourse while he was gone. I think we need to flush again.Now we have the Moron From Moriarty, AKA, MFM, commenting, what a hoot! I better go get another Cuba Libre to get through the night. This thread is one of the better ones on RAS, every time I mention something other than the way the wind blows either
Hey PottyMouth, you didn't answer my question: does your Pawnee's have transponders or not?Good Morning DH, my Pawnee has a transponder which has a special allocated code issued by the FAA through a LOA, this could become common practice for all tow planes and should. Your investigative skills are lacking, try harder and look deeper. Old Bob,
Tom
On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 11:49:06 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:either MFM or DH replies, this is why I am considering buying a motorglider. Old Bob, The Purist
On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 5:11:16 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 6:41:07 PM UTC-4, Mark Mocho wrote:
I think we all know who turned RAS into a septic tank. We had twelve days of pleasant discourse while he was gone. I think we need to flush again.Now we have the Moron From Moriarty, AKA, MFM, commenting, what a hoot! I better go get another Cuba Libre to get through the night. This thread is one of the better ones on RAS, every time I mention something other than the way the wind blows
The PuristHey PottyMouth, you didn't answer my question: does your Pawnee's have transponders or not?
TomGood Morning DH, my Pawnee has a transponder which has a special allocated code issued by the FAA through a LOA, this could become common practice for all tow planes and should. Your investigative skills are lacking, try harder and look deeper. Old Bob,
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 4:31:08 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:either MFM or DH replies, this is why I am considering buying a motorglider. Old Bob, The Purist
On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 11:49:06 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 5:11:16 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 6:41:07 PM UTC-4, Mark Mocho wrote:
I think we all know who turned RAS into a septic tank. We had twelve days of pleasant discourse while he was gone. I think we need to flush again.Now we have the Moron From Moriarty, AKA, MFM, commenting, what a hoot! I better go get another Cuba Libre to get through the night. This thread is one of the better ones on RAS, every time I mention something other than the way the wind blows
Bob, The PuristHey PottyMouth, you didn't answer my question: does your Pawnee's have transponders or not?
TomGood Morning DH, my Pawnee has a transponder which has a special allocated code issued by the FAA through a LOA, this could become common practice for all tow planes and should. Your investigative skills are lacking, try harder and look deeper. Old
Hey PottyMouth, then you aren't turning it on (a violation) because it is NOT showing up. Or is it a stealth code that doesn't appear in the system? That is just pure bullshit and you know it.DH, are you dumb as a rock? You need to get a grip on things. Keep digging, find the flight, it is right under your nose. Old Bob, The Purist
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 6:21:28 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:either MFM or DH replies, this is why I am considering buying a motorglider. Old Bob, The Purist
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 4:31:08 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 11:49:06 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 5:11:16 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 6:41:07 PM UTC-4, Mark Mocho wrote:
I think we all know who turned RAS into a septic tank. We had twelve days of pleasant discourse while he was gone. I think we need to flush again.Now we have the Moron From Moriarty, AKA, MFM, commenting, what a hoot! I better go get another Cuba Libre to get through the night. This thread is one of the better ones on RAS, every time I mention something other than the way the wind blows
Bob, The PuristHey PottyMouth, you didn't answer my question: does your Pawnee's have transponders or not?
TomGood Morning DH, my Pawnee has a transponder which has a special allocated code issued by the FAA through a LOA, this could become common practice for all tow planes and should. Your investigative skills are lacking, try harder and look deeper. Old
Hey PottyMouth, then you aren't turning it on (a violation) because it is NOT showing up. Or is it a stealth code that doesn't appear in the system? That is just pure bullshit and you know it.DH, are you dumb as a rock? You need to get a grip on things. Keep digging, find the flight, it is right under your nose. Old Bob, The Purist
I really hate to inject a little common sense into this ridiculous thread, but have you considered:
1 - There is a minimum altitude for radar reception by ATC in the area and low altitude flights may not be picked up?
2 - That "special code" means a unique squawk code, not the transponder code assigned to the N-number?
3 - That FlightAware does not always show every transponder that is turned on in world?
4 - Tows for high-performance ships like the ASW-27 are usually only up to 2000, and often are lower if the glider finds lift?
5 - You have ignored the fact that it was pointed out Bob's track from the day in question is readily available on OLC?
You guys need a referee...or a nun with a ruler.
PA
I will ask you each the same question and I would really appreciate an answer. What have each one of you done to advance and support soaring?
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:45:04 PM UTC-7, bluej...@gmail.com wrote:history/20221006/1741Z/X52/X52).
I really hate to inject a little common sense into this ridiculous thread, but have you considered:
1 - There is a minimum altitude for radar reception by ATC in the area and low altitude flights may not be picked up?
2 - That "special code" means a unique squawk code, not the transponder code assigned to the N-number?
3 - That FlightAware does not always show every transponder that is turned on in world?
4 - Tows for high-performance ships like the ASW-27 are usually only up to 2000, and often are lower if the glider finds lift?
5 - You have ignored the fact that it was pointed out Bob's track from the day in question is readily available on OLC?
You guys need a referee...or a nun with a ruler.
PA1. The radar typically picks you up at a few hundred feet and a glider tow is typically to 2 kft, and New Hibiscus is VERY CLOSE Vero Beach. For example, a very recent flight from X52 was picked up at 300 ft (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N90957/
2. FlightAware DOES NOT track squawk codes, only transponder transmissions. PottyMouth knows this and is deflecting.Nothing is wrong here except you cannot find the carrot! FYI, the code for the transponder was assigned by the FAA as a result of a NMAC investigation and research about congested airspace. The Pawnee in question is N7463Z and has a special transponder
3. Are you telling me that FlightAware misses EVERY flight into and out of X52? Get serious!
4. Which is MORE than 300 ft, right?
5. Hardly - it is PROOF that he and his wife BOTH got tows that day from X52 that ARE NOT showing up on FlightAware. Something is WRONG here - don't you see that?
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 11:36:13 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:N90957/history/20221006/1741Z/X52/X52).
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:45:04 PM UTC-7, bluej...@gmail.com wrote:
I really hate to inject a little common sense into this ridiculous thread, but have you considered:
1 - There is a minimum altitude for radar reception by ATC in the area and low altitude flights may not be picked up?
2 - That "special code" means a unique squawk code, not the transponder code assigned to the N-number?
3 - That FlightAware does not always show every transponder that is turned on in world?
4 - Tows for high-performance ships like the ASW-27 are usually only up to 2000, and often are lower if the glider finds lift?
5 - You have ignored the fact that it was pointed out Bob's track from the day in question is readily available on OLC?
You guys need a referee...or a nun with a ruler.
PA1. The radar typically picks you up at a few hundred feet and a glider tow is typically to 2 kft, and New Hibiscus is VERY CLOSE Vero Beach. For example, a very recent flight from X52 was picked up at 300 ft (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/
code 5*** that is identified as GLDTW so that PBI and KVRB can identify the said aircraft operating as a towplane which allows the approach and departure vectors to be aware of what it is painting on the screen, that dot on the screen would be N7463Z2. FlightAware DOES NOT track squawk codes, only transponder transmissions. PottyMouth knows this and is deflecting.
3. Are you telling me that FlightAware misses EVERY flight into and out of X52? Get serious!
4. Which is MORE than 300 ft, right?
5. Hardly - it is PROOF that he and his wife BOTH got tows that day from X52 that ARE NOT showing up on FlightAware. Something is WRONG here - don't you see that?Nothing is wrong here except you cannot find the carrot! FYI, the code for the transponder was assigned by the FAA as a result of a NMAC investigation and research about congested airspace. The Pawnee in question is N7463Z and has a special transponder
As you should be cognizant of the fact that we are NOT required to have a transponder or ADSB because of where we operate and that we are in gliders! ADSB almost got me killed, yep, R said it correctly when he always advised his crew to get your eyesout of the cockpit when in VMC conditions.
Flights on October 5&6 were conducted out of X52, I posted a picture to a Facebook soaring forum and you might just be able to see my transponder.heavy scrutiny, our club has not been the culprit and does not condone such violations. We will not penalize you the days points and deduct from your score, we would simply tell you to take 30 days off and suffer the consequences forthcoming.
What you may not realize is that I was in contact with Miami Ctr, both days so that I could have my position confirmed as to avoid several TFR's because of Hurricane and Military air operations. The violations of airspace in Florida by gliders is under
I certainly hope this has properly explained the 5*** code. Old Bob, The Purist
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:45:04 PM UTC-7, bluej...@gmail.com wrote:history/20221006/1741Z/X52/X52).
I really hate to inject a little common sense into this ridiculous thread, but have you considered:
1 - There is a minimum altitude for radar reception by ATC in the area and low altitude flights may not be picked up?
2 - That "special code" means a unique squawk code, not the transponder code assigned to the N-number?
3 - That FlightAware does not always show every transponder that is turned on in world?
4 - Tows for high-performance ships like the ASW-27 are usually only up to 2000, and often are lower if the glider finds lift?
5 - You have ignored the fact that it was pointed out Bob's track from the day in question is readily available on OLC?
You guys need a referee...or a nun with a ruler.
PA
1. The radar typically picks you up at a few hundred feet and a glider tow is typically to 2 kft, and New Hibiscus is VERY CLOSE Vero Beach. For example, a very recent flight from X52 was picked up at 300 ft (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N90957/
2. FlightAware DOES NOT track squawk codes, only transponder transmissions. PottyMouth knows this and is deflecting.
3. Are you telling me that FlightAware misses EVERY flight into and out of X52? Get serious!
4. Which is MORE than 300 ft, right?
5. Hardly - it is PROOF that he and his wife BOTH got tows that day from X52 that ARE NOT showing up on FlightAware. Something is WRONG here - don't you see that?
On 10/8/2022 8:36 PM, 2G wrote:N90957/history/20221006/1741Z/X52/X52).
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:45:04 PM UTC-7, bluej...@gmail.com wrote:
I really hate to inject a little common sense into this ridiculous thread, but have you considered:
1 - There is a minimum altitude for radar reception by ATC in the area and low altitude flights may not be picked up?
2 - That "special code" means a unique squawk code, not the transponder code assigned to the N-number?
3 - That FlightAware does not always show every transponder that is turned on in world?
4 - Tows for high-performance ships like the ASW-27 are usually only up to 2000, and often are lower if the glider finds lift?
5 - You have ignored the fact that it was pointed out Bob's track from the day in question is readily available on OLC?
You guys need a referee...or a nun with a ruler.
PA
1. The radar typically picks you up at a few hundred feet and a glider tow is typically to 2 kft, and New Hibiscus is VERY CLOSE Vero Beach. For example, a very recent flight from X52 was picked up at 300 ft (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/
2. FlightAware DOES NOT track squawk codes, only transponder transmissions. PottyMouth knows this and is deflecting.
3. Are you telling me that FlightAware misses EVERY flight into and out of X52? Get serious!
4. Which is MORE than 300 ft, right?
5. Hardly - it is PROOF that he and his wife BOTH got tows that day from X52 that ARE NOT showing up on FlightAware. Something is WRONG here - don't you see that?Do you know what kind of transponder the tow planes at New Hibiscus use? If it's mode C,
it likely wouldn't show on FlightAware (my ASH26E with mode C doesn't, for example). Have
the towplanes ever showed on FlightAware?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On 10/8/2022 8:36 PM, 2G wrote:N90957/history/20221006/1741Z/X52/X52).
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:45:04 PM UTC-7, bluej...@gmail.com wrote:
I really hate to inject a little common sense into this ridiculous thread, but have you considered:
1 - There is a minimum altitude for radar reception by ATC in the area and low altitude flights may not be picked up?
2 - That "special code" means a unique squawk code, not the transponder code assigned to the N-number?
3 - That FlightAware does not always show every transponder that is turned on in world?
4 - Tows for high-performance ships like the ASW-27 are usually only up to 2000, and often are lower if the glider finds lift?
5 - You have ignored the fact that it was pointed out Bob's track from the day in question is readily available on OLC?
You guys need a referee...or a nun with a ruler.
PA
1. The radar typically picks you up at a few hundred feet and a glider tow is typically to 2 kft, and New Hibiscus is VERY CLOSE Vero Beach. For example, a very recent flight from X52 was picked up at 300 ft (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/
2. FlightAware DOES NOT track squawk codes, only transponder transmissions. PottyMouth knows this and is deflecting.
3. Are you telling me that FlightAware misses EVERY flight into and out of X52? Get serious!
4. Which is MORE than 300 ft, right?
5. Hardly - it is PROOF that he and his wife BOTH got tows that day from X52 that ARE NOT showing up on FlightAware. Something is WRONG here - don't you see that?Do you know what kind of transponder the tow planes at New Hibiscus use? If it's mode C,
it likely wouldn't show on FlightAware (my ASH26E with mode C doesn't, for example). Have
the towplanes ever showed on FlightAware?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
As someone who was helped, cajoled, encouraged and saved from inbuilt mechanical ineptness by Mark over many happy years at 0E0, may I register pure unadulterated disgust at this latest attack by the idiot who will not shut the @#$% up and go away. Iask those that know, please is there some way that the group here gathered can vote to have the sod banned for life, not only from posting but also reading RAS? I know that may be a dream, but there has to be a way. By the by, as a long time scribe (
maybe write a letter for Mark to send that would put the bastard on notice at the very least that any more of this crap would lead to a real response that would make multiple Aw Shits look like love taps? God I hope so.As others have mentioned, there is no way to ban someone from posting to RAS (inherent in
As someone who was helped, cajoled, encouraged and saved from inbuilt mechanical ineptness by Mark over many happy years at 0E0, may I register pure unadulterated disgust at this latest attack by the idiot who will not shut the @#$% up and go away. Iask those that know, please is there some way that the group here gathered can vote to have the sod banned for life, not only from posting but also reading RAS? I know that may be a dream, but there has to be a way. By the by, as a long time scribe (for
maybe write a letter for Mark to send that would put the bastard on notice at the very least that any more of this crap would lead to a real response that would make multiple Aw Shits look like love taps? God I hope so.N90957/history/20221006/1741Z/X52/X52).
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:59:00 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/8/2022 8:36 PM, 2G wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:45:04 PM UTC-7, bluej...@gmail.com wrote:
I really hate to inject a little common sense into this ridiculous thread, but have you considered:
1 - There is a minimum altitude for radar reception by ATC in the area and low altitude flights may not be picked up?
2 - That "special code" means a unique squawk code, not the transponder code assigned to the N-number?
3 - That FlightAware does not always show every transponder that is turned on in world?
4 - Tows for high-performance ships like the ASW-27 are usually only up to 2000, and often are lower if the glider finds lift?
5 - You have ignored the fact that it was pointed out Bob's track from the day in question is readily available on OLC?
You guys need a referee...or a nun with a ruler.
PA
1. The radar typically picks you up at a few hundred feet and a glider tow is typically to 2 kft, and New Hibiscus is VERY CLOSE Vero Beach. For example, a very recent flight from X52 was picked up at 300 ft (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/
Howard, please contact my lawyer, and friend Mr. Vocelle in Vero, he would be very happy to chat with you. Old Bob, The Purist2. FlightAware DOES NOT track squawk codes, only transponder transmissions. PottyMouth knows this and is deflecting.
3. Are you telling me that FlightAware misses EVERY flight into and out of X52? Get serious!
4. Which is MORE than 300 ft, right?
5. Hardly - it is PROOF that he and his wife BOTH got tows that day from X52 that ARE NOT showing up on FlightAware. Something is WRONG here - don't you see that?Do you know what kind of transponder the tow planes at New Hibiscus use? If it's mode C,
it likely wouldn't show on FlightAware (my ASH26E with mode C doesn't, for example). Have
the towplanes ever showed on FlightAware?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
As someone who was helped, cajoled, encouraged and saved from inbuilt mechanical ineptness by Mark over many happy years at 0E0, may I register pure unadulterated disgust at this latest attack by the idiot who will not shut the @#$% up and go away. Iask those that know, please is there some way that the group here gathered can vote to have the sod banned for life, not only from posting but also reading RAS? I know that may be a dream, but there has to be a way. By the by, as a long time scribe (for
maybe write a letter for Mark to send that would put the bastard on notice at the very least that any more of this crap would lead to a real response that would make multiple Aw Shits look like love taps? God I hope so.N90957/history/20221006/1741Z/X52/X52).
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:59:00 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/8/2022 8:36 PM, 2G wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:45:04 PM UTC-7, bluej...@gmail.com wrote:
I really hate to inject a little common sense into this ridiculous thread, but have you considered:
1 - There is a minimum altitude for radar reception by ATC in the area and low altitude flights may not be picked up?
2 - That "special code" means a unique squawk code, not the transponder code assigned to the N-number?
3 - That FlightAware does not always show every transponder that is turned on in world?
4 - Tows for high-performance ships like the ASW-27 are usually only up to 2000, and often are lower if the glider finds lift?
5 - You have ignored the fact that it was pointed out Bob's track from the day in question is readily available on OLC?
You guys need a referee...or a nun with a ruler.
PA
1. The radar typically picks you up at a few hundred feet and a glider tow is typically to 2 kft, and New Hibiscus is VERY CLOSE Vero Beach. For example, a very recent flight from X52 was picked up at 300 ft (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/
Suck it up buttercup! This is RAS.2. FlightAware DOES NOT track squawk codes, only transponder transmissions. PottyMouth knows this and is deflecting.
3. Are you telling me that FlightAware misses EVERY flight into and out of X52? Get serious!
4. Which is MORE than 300 ft, right?
5. Hardly - it is PROOF that he and his wife BOTH got tows that day from X52 that ARE NOT showing up on FlightAware. Something is WRONG here - don't you see that?Do you know what kind of transponder the tow planes at New Hibiscus use? If it's mode C,
it likely wouldn't show on FlightAware (my ASH26E with mode C doesn't, for example). Have
the towplanes ever showed on FlightAware?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 7:14:34 AM UTC-7, howard...@gmail.com wrote:ask those that know, please is there some way that the group here gathered can vote to have the sod banned for life, not only from posting but also reading RAS? I know that may be a dream, but there has to be a way. By the by, as a long time scribe (for
As someone who was helped, cajoled, encouraged and saved from inbuilt mechanical ineptness by Mark over many happy years at 0E0, may I register pure unadulterated disgust at this latest attack by the idiot who will not shut the @#$% up and go away. I
N90957/history/20221006/1741Z/X52/X52).maybe write a letter for Mark to send that would put the bastard on notice at the very least that any more of this crap would lead to a real response that would make multiple Aw Shits look like love taps? God I hope so.
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:59:00 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/8/2022 8:36 PM, 2G wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:45:04 PM UTC-7, bluej...@gmail.com wrote:
I really hate to inject a little common sense into this ridiculous thread, but have you considered:
1 - There is a minimum altitude for radar reception by ATC in the area and low altitude flights may not be picked up?
2 - That "special code" means a unique squawk code, not the transponder code assigned to the N-number?
3 - That FlightAware does not always show every transponder that is turned on in world?
4 - Tows for high-performance ships like the ASW-27 are usually only up to 2000, and often are lower if the glider finds lift?
5 - You have ignored the fact that it was pointed out Bob's track from the day in question is readily available on OLC?
You guys need a referee...or a nun with a ruler.
PA
1. The radar typically picks you up at a few hundred feet and a glider tow is typically to 2 kft, and New Hibiscus is VERY CLOSE Vero Beach. For example, a very recent flight from X52 was picked up at 300 ft (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/
Exactly! this is why I love RAS. You make a true statement about a particular flight for that day and they come out of the woodwork to try and shoot you down. You have MFM dropping F bombs, DH posting the sh** word and F bombs. Howard calling me a2. FlightAware DOES NOT track squawk codes, only transponder transmissions. PottyMouth knows this and is deflecting.
3. Are you telling me that FlightAware misses EVERY flight into and out of X52? Get serious!
4. Which is MORE than 300 ft, right?
Suck it up buttercup! This is RAS.5. Hardly - it is PROOF that he and his wife BOTH got tows that day from X52 that ARE NOT showing up on FlightAware. Something is WRONG here - don't you see that?Do you know what kind of transponder the tow planes at New Hibiscus use? If it's mode C,
it likely wouldn't show on FlightAware (my ASH26E with mode C doesn't, for example). Have
the towplanes ever showed on FlightAware?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On 10/9/2022 7:14 AM, howard...@gmail.com wrote:ask those that know, please is there some way that the group here gathered can vote to have the sod banned for life, not only from posting but also reading RAS? I know that may be a dream, but there has to be a way. By the by, as a long time scribe (for
As someone who was helped, cajoled, encouraged and saved from inbuilt mechanical ineptness by Mark over many happy years at 0E0, may I register pure unadulterated disgust at this latest attack by the idiot who will not shut the @#$% up and go away. I
maybe write a letter for Mark to send that would put the bastard on notice at the very least that any more of this crap would lead to a real response that would make multiple Aw Shits look like love taps? God I hope so.As others have mentioned, there is no way to ban someone from posting to RAS (inherent in
Usenet design), and, as others have mentioned, there are ways to avoid seeing the posts
from people you don't like (available in Usenet readers and some email programs).
My private contacts with Bob show a better, more interesting person than his RAS comments.
He sent me a flight report of his Oct 6 flight, describing some of the devastation from
Ian. I really enjoyed the report, and I've encouraged him to post it here; alas, no report
yet. Maybe if a few others asked to see it...
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 12:50:40 PM UTC-4, R wrote:No, I have changed my mind, just saw where the TFR was not active, will try to get further into the disaster zone, sorry, next time. Old Bob, The Purist
Do not feed the Bear. Can’t you read the sign?
122.7Tomorrow, above Indiantown if weather permitting 1.pm 123.35, I will be the guy without the motor. Old Bob, The Purist
Do not feed the Bear. Can’t you read the sign?Tomorrow, above Indiantown if weather permitting 1.pm 123.35, I will be the guy without the motor. Old Bob, The Purist
122.7
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 11:36:13 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:N90957/history/20221006/1741Z/X52/X52).
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:45:04 PM UTC-7, bluej...@gmail.com wrote:
I really hate to inject a little common sense into this ridiculous thread, but have you considered:
1 - There is a minimum altitude for radar reception by ATC in the area and low altitude flights may not be picked up?
2 - That "special code" means a unique squawk code, not the transponder code assigned to the N-number?
3 - That FlightAware does not always show every transponder that is turned on in world?
4 - Tows for high-performance ships like the ASW-27 are usually only up to 2000, and often are lower if the glider finds lift?
5 - You have ignored the fact that it was pointed out Bob's track from the day in question is readily available on OLC?
You guys need a referee...or a nun with a ruler.
PA1. The radar typically picks you up at a few hundred feet and a glider tow is typically to 2 kft, and New Hibiscus is VERY CLOSE Vero Beach. For example, a very recent flight from X52 was picked up at 300 ft (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/
code 5*** that is identified as GLDTW so that PBI and KVRB can identify the said aircraft operating as a towplane which allows the approach and departure vectors to be aware of what it is painting on the screen, that dot on the screen would be N7463Z2. FlightAware DOES NOT track squawk codes, only transponder transmissions. PottyMouth knows this and is deflecting.
3. Are you telling me that FlightAware misses EVERY flight into and out of X52? Get serious!
4. Which is MORE than 300 ft, right?
5. Hardly - it is PROOF that he and his wife BOTH got tows that day from X52 that ARE NOT showing up on FlightAware. Something is WRONG here - don't you see that?Nothing is wrong here except you cannot find the carrot! FYI, the code for the transponder was assigned by the FAA as a result of a NMAC investigation and research about congested airspace. The Pawnee in question is N7463Z and has a special transponder
As you should be cognizant of the fact that we are NOT required to have a transponder or ADSB because of where we operate and that we are in gliders! ADSB almost got me killed, yep, R said it correctly when he always advised his crew to get your eyesout of the cockpit when in VMC conditions.
Flights on October 5&6 were conducted out of X52, I posted a picture to a Facebook soaring forum and you might just be able to see my transponder.heavy scrutiny, our club has not been the culprit and does not condone such violations. We will not penalize you the days points and deduct from your score, we would simply tell you to take 30 days off and suffer the consequences forthcoming.
What you may not realize is that I was in contact with Miami Ctr, both days so that I could have my position confirmed as to avoid several TFR's because of Hurricane and Military air operations. The violations of airspace in Florida by gliders is under
I certainly hope this has properly explained the 5*** code. Old Bob, The Purist
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 12:31:00 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:N90957/history/20221006/1741Z/X52/X52).
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 11:36:13 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:45:04 PM UTC-7, bluej...@gmail.com wrote:
I really hate to inject a little common sense into this ridiculous thread, but have you considered:
1 - There is a minimum altitude for radar reception by ATC in the area and low altitude flights may not be picked up?
2 - That "special code" means a unique squawk code, not the transponder code assigned to the N-number?
3 - That FlightAware does not always show every transponder that is turned on in world?
4 - Tows for high-performance ships like the ASW-27 are usually only up to 2000, and often are lower if the glider finds lift?
5 - You have ignored the fact that it was pointed out Bob's track from the day in question is readily available on OLC?
You guys need a referee...or a nun with a ruler.
PA1. The radar typically picks you up at a few hundred feet and a glider tow is typically to 2 kft, and New Hibiscus is VERY CLOSE Vero Beach. For example, a very recent flight from X52 was picked up at 300 ft (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/
transponder code 5*** that is identified as GLDTW so that PBI and KVRB can identify the said aircraft operating as a towplane which allows the approach and departure vectors to be aware of what it is painting on the screen, that dot on the screen would2. FlightAware DOES NOT track squawk codes, only transponder transmissions. PottyMouth knows this and is deflecting.
3. Are you telling me that FlightAware misses EVERY flight into and out of X52? Get serious!
4. Which is MORE than 300 ft, right?
5. Hardly - it is PROOF that he and his wife BOTH got tows that day from X52 that ARE NOT showing up on FlightAware. Something is WRONG here - don't you see that?Nothing is wrong here except you cannot find the carrot! FYI, the code for the transponder was assigned by the FAA as a result of a NMAC investigation and research about congested airspace. The Pawnee in question is N7463Z and has a special
out of the cockpit when in VMC conditions.As you should be cognizant of the fact that we are NOT required to have a transponder or ADSB because of where we operate and that we are in gliders! ADSB almost got me killed, yep, R said it correctly when he always advised his crew to get your eyes
under heavy scrutiny, our club has not been the culprit and does not condone such violations. We will not penalize you the days points and deduct from your score, we would simply tell you to take 30 days off and suffer the consequences forthcoming.Flights on October 5&6 were conducted out of X52, I posted a picture to a Facebook soaring forum and you might just be able to see my transponder.
What you may not realize is that I was in contact with Miami Ctr, both days so that I could have my position confirmed as to avoid several TFR's because of Hurricane and Military air operations. The violations of airspace in Florida by gliders is
add up here.I certainly hope this has properly explained the 5*** code. Old Bob, The PuristMore bullshit by the PottyMouth. N7463Z last flight was on the WEST COAST near Santa Ynez, with NO OTHER flights in the last 14 days (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N7463Z). So, NO, PottyMouth, N7463Z WAS NOT your tow plane and SOMETHING does not
TomPottyMouth? Are we in kindergarten here?
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 12:31:00 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:N90957/history/20221006/1741Z/X52/X52).
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 11:36:13 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:45:04 PM UTC-7, bluej...@gmail.com wrote:
I really hate to inject a little common sense into this ridiculous thread, but have you considered:
1 - There is a minimum altitude for radar reception by ATC in the area and low altitude flights may not be picked up?
2 - That "special code" means a unique squawk code, not the transponder code assigned to the N-number?
3 - That FlightAware does not always show every transponder that is turned on in world?
4 - Tows for high-performance ships like the ASW-27 are usually only up to 2000, and often are lower if the glider finds lift?
5 - You have ignored the fact that it was pointed out Bob's track from the day in question is readily available on OLC?
You guys need a referee...or a nun with a ruler.
PA1. The radar typically picks you up at a few hundred feet and a glider tow is typically to 2 kft, and New Hibiscus is VERY CLOSE Vero Beach. For example, a very recent flight from X52 was picked up at 300 ft (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/
transponder code 5*** that is identified as GLDTW so that PBI and KVRB can identify the said aircraft operating as a towplane which allows the approach and departure vectors to be aware of what it is painting on the screen, that dot on the screen would2. FlightAware DOES NOT track squawk codes, only transponder transmissions. PottyMouth knows this and is deflecting.
3. Are you telling me that FlightAware misses EVERY flight into and out of X52? Get serious!
4. Which is MORE than 300 ft, right?
5. Hardly - it is PROOF that he and his wife BOTH got tows that day from X52 that ARE NOT showing up on FlightAware. Something is WRONG here - don't you see that?Nothing is wrong here except you cannot find the carrot! FYI, the code for the transponder was assigned by the FAA as a result of a NMAC investigation and research about congested airspace. The Pawnee in question is N7463Z and has a special
out of the cockpit when in VMC conditions.As you should be cognizant of the fact that we are NOT required to have a transponder or ADSB because of where we operate and that we are in gliders! ADSB almost got me killed, yep, R said it correctly when he always advised his crew to get your eyes
under heavy scrutiny, our club has not been the culprit and does not condone such violations. We will not penalize you the days points and deduct from your score, we would simply tell you to take 30 days off and suffer the consequences forthcoming.Flights on October 5&6 were conducted out of X52, I posted a picture to a Facebook soaring forum and you might just be able to see my transponder.
What you may not realize is that I was in contact with Miami Ctr, both days so that I could have my position confirmed as to avoid several TFR's because of Hurricane and Military air operations. The violations of airspace in Florida by gliders is
add up here.I certainly hope this has properly explained the 5*** code. Old Bob, The PuristMore bullshit by the PottyMouth. N7463Z last flight was on the WEST COAST near Santa Ynez, with NO OTHER flights in the last 14 days (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N7463Z). So, NO, PottyMouth, N7463Z WAS NOT your tow plane and SOMETHING does not
TomLook you idiot, you cannot figure this simple equation out! I made 16 tows with N7463Z on Sunday, I feel like I am leading you through elementary school, no, I am wrong it must be kindergarten. Maybe Eric can help you with the information that you need
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 12:31:00 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:N90957/history/20221006/1741Z/X52/X52).
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 11:36:13 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:45:04 PM UTC-7, bluej...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> I really hate to inject a little common sense into this ridiculous thread, but have you considered:
1. The radar typically picks you up at a few hundred feet and a glider tow is typically to 2 kft, and New Hibiscus is VERY CLOSE Vero Beach. For example, a very recent flight from X52 was picked up at 300 ft (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/
1 - There is a minimum altitude for radar reception by ATC in the area and low altitude flights may not be picked up?
2 - That "special code" means a unique squawk code, not the transponder code assigned to the N-number?
3 - That FlightAware does not always show every transponder that is turned on in world?
4 - Tows for high-performance ships like the ASW-27 are usually only up to 2000, and often are lower if the glider finds lift?
5 - You have ignored the fact that it was pointed out Bob's track from the day in question is readily available on OLC?
You guys need a referee...or a nun with a ruler.
PA
transponder code 5*** that is identified as GLDTW so that PBI and KVRB can identify the said aircraft operating as a towplane which allows the approach and departure vectors to be aware of what it is painting on the screen, that dot on the screen wouldNothing is wrong here except you cannot find the carrot! FYI, the code for the transponder was assigned by the FAA as a result of a NMAC investigation and research about congested airspace. The Pawnee in question is N7463Z and has a special
2. FlightAware DOES NOT track squawk codes, only transponder transmissions. PottyMouth knows this and is deflecting.
3. Are you telling me that FlightAware misses EVERY flight into and out of X52? Get serious!
4. Which is MORE than 300 ft, right?
5. Hardly - it is PROOF that he and his wife BOTH got tows that day from X52 that ARE NOT showing up on FlightAware. Something is WRONG here - don't you see that?
out of the cockpit when in VMC conditions.As you should be cognizant of the fact that we are NOT required to have a transponder or ADSB because of where we operate and that we are in gliders! ADSB almost got me killed, yep, R said it correctly when he always advised his crew to get your eyes
under heavy scrutiny, our club has not been the culprit and does not condone such violations. We will not penalize you the days points and deduct from your score, we would simply tell you to take 30 days off and suffer the consequences forthcoming.Flights on October 5&6 were conducted out of X52, I posted a picture to a Facebook soaring forum and you might just be able to see my transponder.
What you may not realize is that I was in contact with Miami Ctr, both days so that I could have my position confirmed as to avoid several TFR's because of Hurricane and Military air operations. The violations of airspace in Florida by gliders is
add up here.I certainly hope this has properly explained the 5*** code. Old Bob, The Purist
More bullshit by the PottyMouth. N7463Z last flight was on the WEST COAST near Santa Ynez, with NO OTHER flights in the last 14 days (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N7463Z). So, NO, PottyMouth, N7463Z WAS NOT your tow plane and SOMETHING does not
Tom
On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 11:59:43 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:N90957/history/20221006/1741Z/X52/X52).
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 12:31:00 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 11:36:13 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:45:04 PM UTC-7, bluej...@gmail.com wrote:
I really hate to inject a little common sense into this ridiculous thread, but have you considered:
1 - There is a minimum altitude for radar reception by ATC in the area and low altitude flights may not be picked up?
2 - That "special code" means a unique squawk code, not the transponder code assigned to the N-number?
3 - That FlightAware does not always show every transponder that is turned on in world?
4 - Tows for high-performance ships like the ASW-27 are usually only up to 2000, and often are lower if the glider finds lift?
5 - You have ignored the fact that it was pointed out Bob's track from the day in question is readily available on OLC?
You guys need a referee...or a nun with a ruler.
PA1. The radar typically picks you up at a few hundred feet and a glider tow is typically to 2 kft, and New Hibiscus is VERY CLOSE Vero Beach. For example, a very recent flight from X52 was picked up at 300 ft (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/
transponder code 5*** that is identified as GLDTW so that PBI and KVRB can identify the said aircraft operating as a towplane which allows the approach and departure vectors to be aware of what it is painting on the screen, that dot on the screen would2. FlightAware DOES NOT track squawk codes, only transponder transmissions. PottyMouth knows this and is deflecting.
3. Are you telling me that FlightAware misses EVERY flight into and out of X52? Get serious!
4. Which is MORE than 300 ft, right?
5. Hardly - it is PROOF that he and his wife BOTH got tows that day from X52 that ARE NOT showing up on FlightAware. Something is WRONG here - don't you see that?Nothing is wrong here except you cannot find the carrot! FYI, the code for the transponder was assigned by the FAA as a result of a NMAC investigation and research about congested airspace. The Pawnee in question is N7463Z and has a special
eyes out of the cockpit when in VMC conditions.As you should be cognizant of the fact that we are NOT required to have a transponder or ADSB because of where we operate and that we are in gliders! ADSB almost got me killed, yep, R said it correctly when he always advised his crew to get your
under heavy scrutiny, our club has not been the culprit and does not condone such violations. We will not penalize you the days points and deduct from your score, we would simply tell you to take 30 days off and suffer the consequences forthcoming.Flights on October 5&6 were conducted out of X52, I posted a picture to a Facebook soaring forum and you might just be able to see my transponder.
What you may not realize is that I was in contact with Miami Ctr, both days so that I could have my position confirmed as to avoid several TFR's because of Hurricane and Military air operations. The violations of airspace in Florida by gliders is
not add up here.I certainly hope this has properly explained the 5*** code. Old Bob, The PuristMore bullshit by the PottyMouth. N7463Z last flight was on the WEST COAST near Santa Ynez, with NO OTHER flights in the last 14 days (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N7463Z). So, NO, PottyMouth, N7463Z WAS NOT your tow plane and SOMETHING does
he has all the details. Isn't there someone out there can can solve this mystery for you? Maybe I just tied a rope to the back of the Airtractor. Old Bob, The PuristTomLook you idiot, you cannot figure this simple equation out! I made 16 tows with N7463Z on Sunday, I feel like I am leading you through elementary school, no, I am wrong it must be kindergarten. Maybe Eric can help you with the information that you need
On 10/10/2022 8:59 PM, 2G wrote:N90957/history/20221006/1741Z/X52/X52).
On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 12:31:00 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 11:36:13 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:45:04 PM UTC-7, bluej...@gmail.com wrote:
I really hate to inject a little common sense into this ridiculous thread, but have you considered:1. The radar typically picks you up at a few hundred feet and a glider tow is typically to 2 kft, and New Hibiscus is VERY CLOSE Vero Beach. For example, a very recent flight from X52 was picked up at 300 ft (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/
1 - There is a minimum altitude for radar reception by ATC in the area and low altitude flights may not be picked up?
2 - That "special code" means a unique squawk code, not the transponder code assigned to the N-number?
3 - That FlightAware does not always show every transponder that is turned on in world?
4 - Tows for high-performance ships like the ASW-27 are usually only up to 2000, and often are lower if the glider finds lift?
5 - You have ignored the fact that it was pointed out Bob's track from the day in question is readily available on OLC?
You guys need a referee...or a nun with a ruler.
PA
transponder code 5*** that is identified as GLDTW so that PBI and KVRB can identify the said aircraft operating as a towplane which allows the approach and departure vectors to be aware of what it is painting on the screen, that dot on the screen wouldNothing is wrong here except you cannot find the carrot! FYI, the code for the transponder was assigned by the FAA as a result of a NMAC investigation and research about congested airspace. The Pawnee in question is N7463Z and has a special
2. FlightAware DOES NOT track squawk codes, only transponder transmissions. PottyMouth knows this and is deflecting.
3. Are you telling me that FlightAware misses EVERY flight into and out of X52? Get serious!
4. Which is MORE than 300 ft, right?
5. Hardly - it is PROOF that he and his wife BOTH got tows that day from X52 that ARE NOT showing up on FlightAware. Something is WRONG here - don't you see that?
eyes out of the cockpit when in VMC conditions.As you should be cognizant of the fact that we are NOT required to have a transponder or ADSB because of where we operate and that we are in gliders! ADSB almost got me killed, yep, R said it correctly when he always advised his crew to get your
under heavy scrutiny, our club has not been the culprit and does not condone such violations. We will not penalize you the days points and deduct from your score, we would simply tell you to take 30 days off and suffer the consequences forthcoming.Flights on October 5&6 were conducted out of X52, I posted a picture to a Facebook soaring forum and you might just be able to see my transponder.
What you may not realize is that I was in contact with Miami Ctr, both days so that I could have my position confirmed as to avoid several TFR's because of Hurricane and Military air operations. The violations of airspace in Florida by gliders is
not add up here.I certainly hope this has properly explained the 5*** code. Old Bob, The Purist
More bullshit by the PottyMouth. N7463Z last flight was on the WEST COAST near Santa Ynez, with NO OTHER flights in the last 14 days (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N7463Z). So, NO, PottyMouth, N7463Z WAS NOT your tow plane and SOMETHING does
TomThat flight near Santa Ynez occurred on Jul 10, 2018. The data FlightAware used came from
Los Angeles Center (see the Flight Track Log details). The data for flights near X52
(Hibiscus Air Park) come from FlightAware ADSB receivers at VRB and MLB, which do not
track mode c aircraft. The receivers can, under some circumstances, track mode S aircraft.
If you look for N326A (my ash26e) on FlightAware, you will find zip for flights,
illustrating mode C aircraft are "stealth aircraft" for FlightAware.
If you want to see Bob's towplane on FlightAware, you could start a GoFundMe to procure
him an ADSB installation, or at least a mode S transponder (which might or might not show
up on FlightAware). Or shucks, just buy him one - cheaper than the insurance on your
glider! It would be even cheaper to buy him an OGN receiver for X52 (a great place to have
one anyway) and a $100 position tracker to put in the towplane. It still would not show up
on FlightAware, but at least we'd have a chance to see the club in operation.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
transponder code 5*** that is identified as GLDTW so that PBI and KVRB can identify the said aircraft operating as a towplane which allows the approach and departure vectors to be aware of what it is painting on the screen, that dot on the screen wouldNothing is wrong here except you cannot find the carrot! FYI, the code for the transponder was assigned by the FAA as a result of a NMAC investigation and research about congested airspace. The Pawnee in question is N7463Z and has a special
5. Hardly - it is PROOF that he and his wife BOTH got tows that day from X52 that ARE NOT showing up on FlightAware. Something is WRONG here - don't you see that?
eyes out of the cockpit when in VMC conditions.As you should be cognizant of the fact that we are NOT required to have a transponder or ADSB because of where we operate and that we are in gliders! ADSB almost got me killed, yep, R said it correctly when he always advised his crew to get your
under heavy scrutiny, our club has not been the culprit and does not condone such violations. We will not penalize you the days points and deduct from your score, we would simply tell you to take 30 days off and suffer the consequences forthcoming.Flights on October 5&6 were conducted out of X52, I posted a picture to a Facebook soaring forum and you might just be able to see my transponder.
What you may not realize is that I was in contact with Miami Ctr, both days so that I could have my position confirmed as to avoid several TFR's because of Hurricane and Military air operations. The violations of airspace in Florida by gliders is
not add up here.I certainly hope this has properly explained the 5*** code. Old Bob, The Purist
More bullshit by the PottyMouth. N7463Z last flight was on the WEST COAST near Santa Ynez, with NO OTHER flights in the last 14 days (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N7463Z). So, NO, PottyMouth, N7463Z WAS NOT your tow plane and SOMETHING does
Mode C, as I have repeatedly said, is not tracked by FlightAware. Here's a quote from yourThat flight near Santa Ynez occurred on Jul 10, 2018. The data FlightAware used came from
Tom
Los Angeles Center (see the Flight Track Log details). The data for flights near X52
(Hibiscus Air Park) come from FlightAware ADSB receivers at VRB and MLB, which do not
track mode c aircraft. The receivers can, under some circumstances, track mode S aircraft.
If you look for N326A (my ash26e) on FlightAware, you will find zip for flights,
illustrating mode C aircraft are "stealth aircraft" for FlightAware.
If you want to see Bob's towplane on FlightAware, you could start a GoFundMe to procure
him an ADSB installation, or at least a mode S transponder (which might or might not show
up on FlightAware). Or shucks, just buy him one - cheaper than the insurance on your
glider! It would be even cheaper to buy him an OGN receiver for X52 (a great place to have
one anyway) and a $100 position tracker to put in the towplane. It still would not show up
on FlightAware, but at least we'd have a chance to see the club in operation.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Eric,
You DON'T have to have ADS-B installed to be picked up by FlightAware (https://flightaware.com/adsb/).
Tom
On 10/11/2022 8:37 AM, 2G wrote:transponder code 5*** that is identified as GLDTW so that PBI and KVRB can identify the said aircraft operating as a towplane which allows the approach and departure vectors to be aware of what it is painting on the screen, that dot on the screen would
Nothing is wrong here except you cannot find the carrot! FYI, the code for the transponder was assigned by the FAA as a result of a NMAC investigation and research about congested airspace. The Pawnee in question is N7463Z and has a special
5. Hardly - it is PROOF that he and his wife BOTH got tows that day from X52 that ARE NOT showing up on FlightAware. Something is WRONG here - don't you see that?
eyes out of the cockpit when in VMC conditions.As you should be cognizant of the fact that we are NOT required to have a transponder or ADSB because of where we operate and that we are in gliders! ADSB almost got me killed, yep, R said it correctly when he always advised his crew to get your
under heavy scrutiny, our club has not been the culprit and does not condone such violations. We will not penalize you the days points and deduct from your score, we would simply tell you to take 30 days off and suffer the consequences forthcoming.Flights on October 5&6 were conducted out of X52, I posted a picture to a Facebook soaring forum and you might just be able to see my transponder.
What you may not realize is that I was in contact with Miami Ctr, both days so that I could have my position confirmed as to avoid several TFR's because of Hurricane and Military air operations. The violations of airspace in Florida by gliders is
not add up here.I certainly hope this has properly explained the 5*** code. Old Bob, The Purist
More bullshit by the PottyMouth. N7463Z last flight was on the WEST COAST near Santa Ynez, with NO OTHER flights in the last 14 days (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N7463Z). So, NO, PottyMouth, N7463Z WAS NOT your tow plane and SOMETHING does
That flight near Santa Ynez occurred on Jul 10, 2018. The data FlightAware used came from
Tom
Los Angeles Center (see the Flight Track Log details). The data for flights near X52
(Hibiscus Air Park) come from FlightAware ADSB receivers at VRB and MLB, which do not
track mode c aircraft. The receivers can, under some circumstances, track mode S aircraft.
If you look for N326A (my ash26e) on FlightAware, you will find zip for flights,
illustrating mode C aircraft are "stealth aircraft" for FlightAware.
If you want to see Bob's towplane on FlightAware, you could start a GoFundMe to procure
him an ADSB installation, or at least a mode S transponder (which might or might not show
up on FlightAware). Or shucks, just buy him one - cheaper than the insurance on your
glider! It would be even cheaper to buy him an OGN receiver for X52 (a great place to have
one anyway) and a $100 position tracker to put in the towplane. It still would not show up
on FlightAware, but at least we'd have a chance to see the club in operation.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Eric,
You DON'T have to have ADS-B installed to be picked up by FlightAware (https://flightaware.com/adsb/).
TomMode C, as I have repeatedly said, is not tracked by FlightAware. Here's a quote from your
reference:
"FlightAware operates a worldwide network of ADS-B and Mode S receivers that track ADS-B
or Mode S equipped aircraft flying around the globe. "
No Mode C tracking by FlightAware. Bob's towplane has mode C. No tracking of Bob by
FlightAware. QED.
I encourage Bob and Treasure Coast Soaring to apply for one of the free OGN receivers the
SSA is offering, then equipping all gliders and towplanes operating from X52 with Flarm
(expensive but with collision avoidance) or position trackers ($100 or less). If they have
to pay for an OGN receiver, I offer to split the cost with them. That's a better way to
spend my money than the mobile OGN I was contemplating for my motorhome.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
I find this (and other OBTP threads) entertaining. It is a great example of how trolling works. We have Bob who enjoys trolling motorglider pilots but with good sense of humor (most of the time). Then we have Eric who never loose his patient and givesthe best thoughtful answers. On the other hand we have Tom, the best bait any troller could have. Reading Tom’s responses I am concerned he will get a stroke or heart attack soon. He certainly does not do himself any service with his reactions.
Me? I am also a purist and most of the time enjoying being purist. But after landing out 5 hours from home last weekend, requiring 2 days to retrieve my glider, motorgliders starting to make a lot of sense to me…transponder code 5*** that is identified as GLDTW so that PBI and KVRB can identify the said aircraft operating as a towplane which allows the approach and departure vectors to be aware of what it is painting on the screen, that dot on the screen would
Ramy
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 9:11:05 AM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/11/2022 8:37 AM, 2G wrote:
Nothing is wrong here except you cannot find the carrot! FYI, the code for the transponder was assigned by the FAA as a result of a NMAC investigation and research about congested airspace. The Pawnee in question is N7463Z and has a special
5. Hardly - it is PROOF that he and his wife BOTH got tows that day from X52 that ARE NOT showing up on FlightAware. Something is WRONG here - don't you see that?
eyes out of the cockpit when in VMC conditions.As you should be cognizant of the fact that we are NOT required to have a transponder or ADSB because of where we operate and that we are in gliders! ADSB almost got me killed, yep, R said it correctly when he always advised his crew to get your
is under heavy scrutiny, our club has not been the culprit and does not condone such violations. We will not penalize you the days points and deduct from your score, we would simply tell you to take 30 days off and suffer the consequences forthcoming.Flights on October 5&6 were conducted out of X52, I posted a picture to a Facebook soaring forum and you might just be able to see my transponder.
What you may not realize is that I was in contact with Miami Ctr, both days so that I could have my position confirmed as to avoid several TFR's because of Hurricane and Military air operations. The violations of airspace in Florida by gliders
does not add up here.I certainly hope this has properly explained the 5*** code. Old Bob, The Purist
More bullshit by the PottyMouth. N7463Z last flight was on the WEST COAST near Santa Ynez, with NO OTHER flights in the last 14 days (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N7463Z). So, NO, PottyMouth, N7463Z WAS NOT your tow plane and SOMETHING
Must have been a lot of fun Ramy,I shouldn't tell anyone this but my wife expressed interest in a new glider and I am looking at a couple that just popped up for sale, one is a dang motorglider, what is a man to do? I informed her of the availability andThat flight near Santa Ynez occurred on Jul 10, 2018. The data FlightAware used came from
Tom
Los Angeles Center (see the Flight Track Log details). The data for flights near X52
(Hibiscus Air Park) come from FlightAware ADSB receivers at VRB and MLB, which do not
track mode c aircraft. The receivers can, under some circumstances, track mode S aircraft.
If you look for N326A (my ash26e) on FlightAware, you will find zip for flights,
illustrating mode C aircraft are "stealth aircraft" for FlightAware.
If you want to see Bob's towplane on FlightAware, you could start a GoFundMe to procure
him an ADSB installation, or at least a mode S transponder (which might or might not show
up on FlightAware). Or shucks, just buy him one - cheaper than the insurance on your
glider! It would be even cheaper to buy him an OGN receiver for X52 (a great place to have
one anyway) and a $100 position tracker to put in the towplane. It still would not show up
on FlightAware, but at least we'd have a chance to see the club in operation.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Eric,
You DON'T have to have ADS-B installed to be picked up by FlightAware (https://flightaware.com/adsb/).
TomMode C, as I have repeatedly said, is not tracked by FlightAware. Here's a quote from your
reference:
"FlightAware operates a worldwide network of ADS-B and Mode S receivers that track ADS-B
or Mode S equipped aircraft flying around the globe. "
No Mode C tracking by FlightAware. Bob's towplane has mode C. No tracking of Bob by
FlightAware. QED.
I encourage Bob and Treasure Coast Soaring to apply for one of the free OGN receivers the
SSA is offering, then equipping all gliders and towplanes operating from X52 with Flarm
(expensive but with collision avoidance) or position trackers ($100 or less). If they have
to pay for an OGN receiver, I offer to split the cost with them. That's a better way to
spend my money than the mobile OGN I was contemplating for my motorhome. --
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 1:46:17 PM UTC-4, Ramy wrote:the best thoughtful answers. On the other hand we have Tom, the best bait any troller could have. Reading Tom’s responses I am concerned he will get a stroke or heart attack soon. He certainly does not do himself any service with his reactions.
I find this (and other OBTP threads) entertaining. It is a great example of how trolling works. We have Bob who enjoys trolling motorglider pilots but with good sense of humor (most of the time). Then we have Eric who never loose his patient and gives
transponder code 5*** that is identified as GLDTW so that PBI and KVRB can identify the said aircraft operating as a towplane which allows the approach and departure vectors to be aware of what it is painting on the screen, that dot on the screen wouldMe? I am also a purist and most of the time enjoying being purist. But after landing out 5 hours from home last weekend, requiring 2 days to retrieve my glider, motorgliders starting to make a lot of sense to me…
Ramy
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 9:11:05 AM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/11/2022 8:37 AM, 2G wrote:
Nothing is wrong here except you cannot find the carrot! FYI, the code for the transponder was assigned by the FAA as a result of a NMAC investigation and research about congested airspace. The Pawnee in question is N7463Z and has a special
5. Hardly - it is PROOF that he and his wife BOTH got tows that day from X52 that ARE NOT showing up on FlightAware. Something is WRONG here - don't you see that?
eyes out of the cockpit when in VMC conditions.As you should be cognizant of the fact that we are NOT required to have a transponder or ADSB because of where we operate and that we are in gliders! ADSB almost got me killed, yep, R said it correctly when he always advised his crew to get your
under heavy scrutiny, our club has not been the culprit and does not condone such violations. We will not penalize you the days points and deduct from your score, we would simply tell you to take 30 days off and suffer the consequences forthcoming.Flights on October 5&6 were conducted out of X52, I posted a picture to a Facebook soaring forum and you might just be able to see my transponder.
What you may not realize is that I was in contact with Miami Ctr, both days so that I could have my position confirmed as to avoid several TFR's because of Hurricane and Military air operations. The violations of airspace in Florida by gliders is
not add up here.I certainly hope this has properly explained the 5*** code. Old Bob, The Purist
More bullshit by the PottyMouth. N7463Z last flight was on the WEST COAST near Santa Ynez, with NO OTHER flights in the last 14 days (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N7463Z). So, NO, PottyMouth, N7463Z WAS NOT your tow plane and SOMETHING does
and she had this look in her eyes that scared me and her reply was, "That Would Be Nice"! Maybe the holiday season will bring a change to the household. Old Bob, The PuristMust have been a lot of fun Ramy,I shouldn't tell anyone this but my wife expressed interest in a new glider and I am looking at a couple that just popped up for sale, one is a dang motorglider, what is a man to do? I informed her of the availabilityMode C, as I have repeatedly said, is not tracked by FlightAware. Here's a quote from yourThat flight near Santa Ynez occurred on Jul 10, 2018. The data FlightAware used came from
Tom
Los Angeles Center (see the Flight Track Log details). The data for flights near X52
(Hibiscus Air Park) come from FlightAware ADSB receivers at VRB and MLB, which do not
track mode c aircraft. The receivers can, under some circumstances, track mode S aircraft.
If you look for N326A (my ash26e) on FlightAware, you will find zip for flights,
illustrating mode C aircraft are "stealth aircraft" for FlightAware. >>>>>
If you want to see Bob's towplane on FlightAware, you could start a GoFundMe to procure
him an ADSB installation, or at least a mode S transponder (which might or might not show
up on FlightAware). Or shucks, just buy him one - cheaper than the insurance on your
glider! It would be even cheaper to buy him an OGN receiver for X52 (a great place to have
one anyway) and a $100 position tracker to put in the towplane. It still would not show up
on FlightAware, but at least we'd have a chance to see the club in operation.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Eric,
You DON'T have to have ADS-B installed to be picked up by FlightAware (https://flightaware.com/adsb/).
Tom
reference:
"FlightAware operates a worldwide network of ADS-B and Mode S receivers that track ADS-B
or Mode S equipped aircraft flying around the globe. "
No Mode C tracking by FlightAware. Bob's towplane has mode C. No tracking of Bob by
FlightAware. QED.
I encourage Bob and Treasure Coast Soaring to apply for one of the free OGN receivers the
SSA is offering, then equipping all gliders and towplanes operating from X52 with Flarm
(expensive but with collision avoidance) or position trackers ($100 or less). If they have
to pay for an OGN receiver, I offer to split the cost with them. That's a better way to
spend my money than the mobile OGN I was contemplating for my motorhome. >>> --
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On 10/11/2022 8:37 AM, 2G wrote:transponder code 5*** that is identified as GLDTW so that PBI and KVRB can identify the said aircraft operating as a towplane which allows the approach and departure vectors to be aware of what it is painting on the screen, that dot on the screen would
Nothing is wrong here except you cannot find the carrot! FYI, the code for the transponder was assigned by the FAA as a result of a NMAC investigation and research about congested airspace. The Pawnee in question is N7463Z and has a special
5. Hardly - it is PROOF that he and his wife BOTH got tows that day from X52 that ARE NOT showing up on FlightAware. Something is WRONG here - don't you see that?
eyes out of the cockpit when in VMC conditions.As you should be cognizant of the fact that we are NOT required to have a transponder or ADSB because of where we operate and that we are in gliders! ADSB almost got me killed, yep, R said it correctly when he always advised his crew to get your
under heavy scrutiny, our club has not been the culprit and does not condone such violations. We will not penalize you the days points and deduct from your score, we would simply tell you to take 30 days off and suffer the consequences forthcoming.Flights on October 5&6 were conducted out of X52, I posted a picture to a Facebook soaring forum and you might just be able to see my transponder.
What you may not realize is that I was in contact with Miami Ctr, both days so that I could have my position confirmed as to avoid several TFR's because of Hurricane and Military air operations. The violations of airspace in Florida by gliders is
not add up here.I certainly hope this has properly explained the 5*** code. Old Bob, The Purist
More bullshit by the PottyMouth. N7463Z last flight was on the WEST COAST near Santa Ynez, with NO OTHER flights in the last 14 days (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N7463Z). So, NO, PottyMouth, N7463Z WAS NOT your tow plane and SOMETHING does
That flight near Santa Ynez occurred on Jul 10, 2018. The data FlightAware used came from
Tom
Los Angeles Center (see the Flight Track Log details). The data for flights near X52
(Hibiscus Air Park) come from FlightAware ADSB receivers at VRB and MLB, which do not
track mode c aircraft. The receivers can, under some circumstances, track mode S aircraft.
If you look for N326A (my ash26e) on FlightAware, you will find zip for flights,
illustrating mode C aircraft are "stealth aircraft" for FlightAware.
If you want to see Bob's towplane on FlightAware, you could start a GoFundMe to procure
him an ADSB installation, or at least a mode S transponder (which might or might not show
up on FlightAware). Or shucks, just buy him one - cheaper than the insurance on your
glider! It would be even cheaper to buy him an OGN receiver for X52 (a great place to have
one anyway) and a $100 position tracker to put in the towplane. It still would not show up
on FlightAware, but at least we'd have a chance to see the club in operation.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Eric,
You DON'T have to have ADS-B installed to be picked up by FlightAware (https://flightaware.com/adsb/).
TomMode C, as I have repeatedly said, is not tracked by FlightAware. Here's a quote from your
reference:
"FlightAware operates a worldwide network of ADS-B and Mode S receivers that track ADS-B
or Mode S equipped aircraft flying around the globe. "
No Mode C tracking by FlightAware. Bob's towplane has mode C. No tracking of Bob by
FlightAware. QED.
I encourage Bob and Treasure Coast Soaring to apply for one of the free OGN receivers the
SSA is offering, then equipping all gliders and towplanes operating from X52 with Flarm
(expensive but with collision avoidance) or position trackers ($100 or less). If they have
to pay for an OGN receiver, I offer to split the cost with them. That's a better way to
spend my money than the mobile OGN I was contemplating for my motorhome.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
I find this (and other OBTP threads) entertaining. It is a great example of how trolling works. We have Bob who enjoys trolling motorglider pilots but with good sense of humor (most of the time). Then we have Eric who never loose his patient and givesthe best thoughtful answers. On the other hand we have Tom, the best bait any troller could have. Reading Tom’s responses I am concerned he will get a stroke or heart attack soon. He certainly does not do himself any service with his reactions.
Me? I am also a purist and most of the time enjoying being purist. But after landing out 5 hours from home last weekend, requiring 2 days to retrieve my glider, motorgliders starting to make a lot of sense to me…transponder code 5*** that is identified as GLDTW so that PBI and KVRB can identify the said aircraft operating as a towplane which allows the approach and departure vectors to be aware of what it is painting on the screen, that dot on the screen would
Ramy
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 9:11:05 AM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/11/2022 8:37 AM, 2G wrote:
Nothing is wrong here except you cannot find the carrot! FYI, the code for the transponder was assigned by the FAA as a result of a NMAC investigation and research about congested airspace. The Pawnee in question is N7463Z and has a special
5. Hardly - it is PROOF that he and his wife BOTH got tows that day from X52 that ARE NOT showing up on FlightAware. Something is WRONG here - don't you see that?
eyes out of the cockpit when in VMC conditions.As you should be cognizant of the fact that we are NOT required to have a transponder or ADSB because of where we operate and that we are in gliders! ADSB almost got me killed, yep, R said it correctly when he always advised his crew to get your
is under heavy scrutiny, our club has not been the culprit and does not condone such violations. We will not penalize you the days points and deduct from your score, we would simply tell you to take 30 days off and suffer the consequences forthcoming.Flights on October 5&6 were conducted out of X52, I posted a picture to a Facebook soaring forum and you might just be able to see my transponder.
What you may not realize is that I was in contact with Miami Ctr, both days so that I could have my position confirmed as to avoid several TFR's because of Hurricane and Military air operations. The violations of airspace in Florida by gliders
does not add up here.I certainly hope this has properly explained the 5*** code. Old Bob, The Purist
More bullshit by the PottyMouth. N7463Z last flight was on the WEST COAST near Santa Ynez, with NO OTHER flights in the last 14 days (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N7463Z). So, NO, PottyMouth, N7463Z WAS NOT your tow plane and SOMETHING
That flight near Santa Ynez occurred on Jul 10, 2018. The data FlightAware used came from
Tom
Los Angeles Center (see the Flight Track Log details). The data for flights near X52
(Hibiscus Air Park) come from FlightAware ADSB receivers at VRB and MLB, which do not
track mode c aircraft. The receivers can, under some circumstances, track mode S aircraft.
If you look for N326A (my ash26e) on FlightAware, you will find zip for flights,
illustrating mode C aircraft are "stealth aircraft" for FlightAware.
If you want to see Bob's towplane on FlightAware, you could start a GoFundMe to procure
him an ADSB installation, or at least a mode S transponder (which might or might not show
up on FlightAware). Or shucks, just buy him one - cheaper than the insurance on your
glider! It would be even cheaper to buy him an OGN receiver for X52 (a great place to have
one anyway) and a $100 position tracker to put in the towplane. It still would not show up
on FlightAware, but at least we'd have a chance to see the club in operation.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Eric,
You DON'T have to have ADS-B installed to be picked up by FlightAware (https://flightaware.com/adsb/).
TomMode C, as I have repeatedly said, is not tracked by FlightAware. Here's a quote from your
reference:
"FlightAware operates a worldwide network of ADS-B and Mode S receivers that track ADS-B
or Mode S equipped aircraft flying around the globe. "
No Mode C tracking by FlightAware. Bob's towplane has mode C. No tracking of Bob by
FlightAware. QED.
I encourage Bob and Treasure Coast Soaring to apply for one of the free OGN receivers the
SSA is offering, then equipping all gliders and towplanes operating from X52 with Flarm
(expensive but with collision avoidance) or position trackers ($100 or less). If they have
to pay for an OGN receiver, I offer to split the cost with them. That's a better way to
spend my money than the mobile OGN I was contemplating for my motorhome. --
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
If PottyMouth is operating an aircraft with just a Mode C transponder in a busy area such as Vero Beach then he is inviting a disaster because Mode C does not talk to Collision Avoidance avionics on all airliners. In fact, he has mentioned a number ofclose calls while towing out of X52. Now I understand WHY these close calls occurred. Mode C is on its way out and SHOULD be replaced with a Mode S transponder, preferably with ADS-B Out, ASAP. I can see why, a usually motormouth, doesn't want to talk
Tom
On 10/11/2022 9:34 PM, 2G wrote:
I can't find any info that says airliners do not detect Mode C. Do you have a reference
that explains the situation?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 10:25:30 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/11/2022 9:34 PM, 2G wrote:
000ft. I have observed several times that airliners change their heading and fly a nice arc around me - and I assume this was in response to a friendly voice command generated by the TCAS to avoid potential noise pollution.I can't find any info that says airliners do not detect Mode C. Do you have a referenceI am pretty sure that the TCAS in airliners does detect Mode C transponder. I fly Mode C equipped near a regional airport with a Class 'C' airspace. It happened multiple times, that commuter jets on a 'straight in', pass over our field at around 4,
that explains the situation?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Uli
'AS'
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 9:11:05 AM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:close calls while towing out of X52. Now I understand WHY these close calls occurred. Mode C is on its way out and SHOULD be replaced with a Mode S transponder, preferably with ADS-B Out, ASAP. I can see why, a usually motormouth, doesn't want to talk
"FlightAware operates a worldwide network of ADS-B and Mode S receivers that track ADS-B
or Mode S equipped aircraft flying around the globe. "
No Mode C tracking by FlightAware. Bob's towplane has mode C. No tracking of Bob by
FlightAware. QED.
I encourage Bob and Treasure Coast Soaring to apply for one of the free OGN receivers the
SSA is offering, then equipping all gliders and towplanes operating from X52 with Flarm
(expensive but with collision avoidance) or position trackers ($100 or less). If they have
to pay for an OGN receiver, I offer to split the cost with them. That's a better way to
spend my money than the mobile OGN I was contemplating for my motorhome.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
If PottyMouth is operating an aircraft with just a Mode C transponder in a busy area such as Vero Beach then he is inviting a disaster because Mode C does not talk to Collision Avoidance avionics on all airliners. In fact, he has mentioned a number of
On 10/11/2022 9:34 PM, 2G wrote:
of close calls while towing out of X52. Now I understand WHY these close calls occurred. Mode C is on its way out and SHOULD be replaced with a Mode S transponder, preferably with ADS-B Out, ASAP. I can see why, a usually motormouth, doesn't want to talkIf PottyMouth is operating an aircraft with just a Mode C transponder in a busy area such as Vero Beach then he is inviting a disaster because Mode C does not talk to Collision Avoidance avionics on all airliners. In fact, he has mentioned a number
TomI can't find any info that says airliners do not detect Mode C. Do you have a reference
that explains the situation?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 7:54:38 AM UTC-7, AS wrote:000ft. I have observed several times that airliners change their heading and fly a nice arc around me - and I assume this was in response to a friendly voice command generated by the TCAS to avoid potential noise pollution.
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 10:25:30 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote: >>> On 10/11/2022 9:34 PM, 2G wrote:
I am pretty sure that the TCAS in airliners does detect Mode C transponder. I fly Mode C equipped near a regional airport with a Class 'C' airspace. It happened multiple times, that commuter jets on a 'straight in', pass over our field at around 4,
I can't find any info that says airliners do not detect Mode C. Do you have a reference
that explains the situation?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
FlightAware did not "track" N74632 four years ago. That partial flight path FlightAware
Uli
'AS'
The bottom line is that FlightAware tracked N7463Z four years ago (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N7463Z) with whatever transponder it had onboard, but it has not been tracked since. Why?
Tom
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 7:54:38 AM UTC-7, AS wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 10:25:30 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/11/2022 9:34 PM, 2G wrote:
000ft. I have observed several times that airliners change their heading and fly a nice arc around me - and I assume this was in response to a friendly voice command generated by the TCAS to avoid potential noise pollution.I can't find any info that says airliners do not detect Mode C. Do you have a referenceI am pretty sure that the TCAS in airliners does detect Mode C transponder. I fly Mode C equipped near a regional airport with a Class 'C' airspace. It happened multiple times, that commuter jets on a 'straight in', pass over our field at around 4,
that explains the situation?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
It is a conspiracy!!! I flew right behind the black helicopters until we get to Area 51 where I was painted with non reflective kryptonite and faded away into the dark hole into the sky. I am therefore on a warp speed mission toward FD25 and the secretUliThe bottom line is that FlightAware tracked N7463Z four years ago (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N7463Z) with whatever transponder it had onboard, but it has not been tracked since. Why?
'AS'
Tom
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 11:18:04 AM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 7:54:38 AM UTC-7, AS wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 10:25:30 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/11/2022 9:34 PM, 2G wrote:
000ft. I have observed several times that airliners change their heading and fly a nice arc around me - and I assume this was in response to a friendly voice command generated by the TCAS to avoid potential noise pollution.I can't find any info that says airliners do not detect Mode C. Do you have a referenceI am pretty sure that the TCAS in airliners does detect Mode C transponder. I fly Mode C equipped near a regional airport with a Class 'C' airspace. It happened multiple times, that commuter jets on a 'straight in', pass over our field at around 4,
that explains the situation?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
invisible shield is washed off and the word , "Towpecker", is painted on the droop tips. I then begin towing gliders while ATC monitors my every move on 5+++. Keep digging DH you might figure it out. Old Bob, The PuristUliThe bottom line is that FlightAware tracked N7463Z four years ago (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N7463Z) with whatever transponder it had onboard, but it has not been tracked since. Why?
'AS'
TomIt is a conspiracy!!! I flew right behind the black helicopters until we get to Area 51 where I was painted with non reflective kryptonite and faded away into the dark hole into the sky. I am therefore on a warp speed mission toward FD25 and the secret
On 10/11/2022 9:34 PM, 2G wrote:of close calls while towing out of X52. Now I understand WHY these close calls occurred. Mode C is on its way out and SHOULD be replaced with a Mode S transponder, preferably with ADS-B Out, ASAP. I can see why, a usually motormouth, doesn't want to talk
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 9:11:05 AM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
"FlightAware operates a worldwide network of ADS-B and Mode S receivers that track ADS-B
or Mode S equipped aircraft flying around the globe. "
No Mode C tracking by FlightAware. Bob's towplane has mode C. No tracking of Bob by
FlightAware. QED.
I encourage Bob and Treasure Coast Soaring to apply for one of the free OGN receivers the
SSA is offering, then equipping all gliders and towplanes operating from X52 with Flarm
(expensive but with collision avoidance) or position trackers ($100 or less). If they have
to pay for an OGN receiver, I offer to split the cost with them. That's a better way to
spend my money than the mobile OGN I was contemplating for my motorhome. >> --
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
If PottyMouth is operating an aircraft with just a Mode C transponder in a busy area such as Vero Beach then he is inviting a disaster because Mode C does not talk to Collision Avoidance avionics on all airliners. In fact, he has mentioned a number
My comments about Mode C and FlightAware are correct, but it was a mistake to assume Bob's
towplane was using a Mode C; in fact, Bob just informed me the towplane has a Mode S
transponder. But, as FlightAware says, Mode S does not guarantee tracking, as it requires
at least three FlightAware receivers following the Mode S aircraft; apparently, that's not
the case near X52.
I've read the LOA Treasure Coast Soaring has with ATC. It looks very good, and should
provide a lot of protection to all aircraft operating in the X52/KVRB area. --
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 1:08:43 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 11:18:04 AM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 7:54:38 AM UTC-7, AS wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 10:25:30 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/11/2022 9:34 PM, 2G wrote:
4,000ft. I have observed several times that airliners change their heading and fly a nice arc around me - and I assume this was in response to a friendly voice command generated by the TCAS to avoid potential noise pollution.I can't find any info that says airliners do not detect Mode C. Do you have a referenceI am pretty sure that the TCAS in airliners does detect Mode C transponder. I fly Mode C equipped near a regional airport with a Class 'C' airspace. It happened multiple times, that commuter jets on a 'straight in', pass over our field at around
that explains the situation?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
secret invisible shield is washed off and the word , "Towpecker", is painted on the droop tips. I then begin towing gliders while ATC monitors my every move on 5+++. Keep digging DH you might figure it out. Old Bob, The PuristUliThe bottom line is that FlightAware tracked N7463Z four years ago (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N7463Z) with whatever transponder it had onboard, but it has not been tracked since. Why?
'AS'
TomIt is a conspiracy!!! I flew right behind the black helicopters until we get to Area 51 where I was painted with non reflective kryptonite and faded away into the dark hole into the sky. I am therefore on a warp speed mission toward FD25 and the
LOL! Now you are claiming the "black helicopter conspiracy"!!!! Hey PottyMouth, you have lost ALL CREDIBILITY here - why don't you join the Tin Hat Conspiracy network???DH, as mentioned prior, you must be careful you might just have a stroke, get medication quickly to reduce your blood pressure. Maybe you are showing signs of dementia, anger is one of the first signs, be careful, you may go ballistic at any moment. I
Tom
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 12:25:10 AM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 1:08:43 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 11:18:04 AM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 7:54:38 AM UTC-7, AS wrote:
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 10:25:30 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/11/2022 9:34 PM, 2G wrote:
around 4,000ft. I have observed several times that airliners change their heading and fly a nice arc around me - and I assume this was in response to a friendly voice command generated by the TCAS to avoid potential noise pollution.I can't find any info that says airliners do not detect Mode C. Do you have a referenceI am pretty sure that the TCAS in airliners does detect Mode C transponder. I fly Mode C equipped near a regional airport with a Class 'C' airspace. It happened multiple times, that commuter jets on a 'straight in', pass over our field at
that explains the situation?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
secret invisible shield is washed off and the word , "Towpecker", is painted on the droop tips. I then begin towing gliders while ATC monitors my every move on 5+++. Keep digging DH you might figure it out. Old Bob, The PuristUliThe bottom line is that FlightAware tracked N7463Z four years ago (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N7463Z) with whatever transponder it had onboard, but it has not been tracked since. Why?
'AS'
TomIt is a conspiracy!!! I flew right behind the black helicopters until we get to Area 51 where I was painted with non reflective kryptonite and faded away into the dark hole into the sky. I am therefore on a warp speed mission toward FD25 and the
have supplied Eric with all the information from the FAA in reference to the transponder agreement outlined in the LOA. This information has been verified and yet you still cannot find the treasure box. Double up on that medication, you should not beLOL! Now you are claiming the "black helicopter conspiracy"!!!! Hey PottyMouth, you have lost ALL CREDIBILITY here - why don't you join the Tin Hat Conspiracy network???
TomDH, as mentioned prior, you must be careful you might just have a stroke, get medication quickly to reduce your blood pressure. Maybe you are showing signs of dementia, anger is one of the first signs, be careful, you may go ballistic at any moment. I
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 1:11:39 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:...
have supplied Eric with all the information from the FAA in reference to the transponder agreement outlined in the LOA. This information has been verified and yet you still cannot find the treasure box. Double up on that medication, you should not beDH, as mentioned prior, you must be careful you might just have a stroke, get medication quickly to reduce your blood pressure. Maybe you are showing signs of dementia, anger is one of the first signs, be careful, you may go ballistic at any moment. I
Hey PottyMouth, the bottom line is that your Pawnee IS NOT showing up in the FAA's radar system, even though you are VERY close to Vero Beach. Agreements are pieces of paper, not working avionics, so maybe it is YOU that have early onset dementia andnot me. You should have your transponder checked because it appears to be not working. This IS a safety issue, and you have ADMITTED to some recent near misses.
Tom
On 10/16/2022 10:34 AM, 2G wrote:I have supplied Eric with all the information from the FAA in reference to the transponder agreement outlined in the LOA. This information has been verified and yet you still cannot find the treasure box. Double up on that medication, you should not be
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 1:11:39 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:...
DH, as mentioned prior, you must be careful you might just have a stroke, get medication quickly to reduce your blood pressure. Maybe you are showing signs of dementia, anger is one of the first signs, be careful, you may go ballistic at any moment.
not me. You should have your transponder checked because it appears to be not working. This IS a safety issue, and you have ADMITTED to some recent near misses.Hey PottyMouth, the bottom line is that your Pawnee IS NOT showing up in the FAA's radar system, even though you are VERY close to Vero Beach. Agreements are pieces of paper, not working avionics, so maybe it is YOU that have early onset dementia and
TCAS will see mode C, Mode S, and ADSB equipped aircraft. 19 tows were made today as well as gliders equipped with transponders and ADSB equipped gliders. Today I did a transponder test on 5*** it was noted at the tower along with altitude and speed,TomI'd like to know what aircraft show up on VRB's radar system, particularly Mode S equipped
aircraft without ADSB. Is there a website with maps of aircraft they have tracked, or at
least a list of these aircraft? Or is there some other way that you can determine what
aircraft VRB is seeing?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:moment. I have supplied Eric with all the information from the FAA in reference to the transponder agreement outlined in the LOA. This information has been verified and yet you still cannot find the treasure box. Double up on that medication, you should
On 10/16/2022 10:34 AM, 2G wrote:
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 1:11:39 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:...
DH, as mentioned prior, you must be careful you might just have a stroke, get medication quickly to reduce your blood pressure. Maybe you are showing signs of dementia, anger is one of the first signs, be careful, you may go ballistic at any
and not me. You should have your transponder checked because it appears to be not working. This IS a safety issue, and you have ADMITTED to some recent near misses.Hey PottyMouth, the bottom line is that your Pawnee IS NOT showing up in the FAA's radar system, even though you are VERY close to Vero Beach. Agreements are pieces of paper, not working avionics, so maybe it is YOU that have early onset dementia
also the super cub flew into X52 as before. This certainly will put DH over the top. Old Bob, The PuristTCAS will see mode C, Mode S, and ADSB equipped aircraft. 19 tows were made today as well as gliders equipped with transponders and ADSB equipped gliders. Today I did a transponder test on 5*** it was noted at the tower along with altitude and speed,TomI'd like to know what aircraft show up on VRB's radar system, particularly Mode S equipped
aircraft without ADSB. Is there a website with maps of aircraft they have tracked, or at
least a list of these aircraft? Or is there some other way that you can determine what
aircraft VRB is seeing?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 2:27:59 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:moment. I have supplied Eric with all the information from the FAA in reference to the transponder agreement outlined in the LOA. This information has been verified and yet you still cannot find the treasure box. Double up on that medication, you should
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/16/2022 10:34 AM, 2G wrote:
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 1:11:39 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:...
DH, as mentioned prior, you must be careful you might just have a stroke, get medication quickly to reduce your blood pressure. Maybe you are showing signs of dementia, anger is one of the first signs, be careful, you may go ballistic at any
and not me. You should have your transponder checked because it appears to be not working. This IS a safety issue, and you have ADMITTED to some recent near misses.Hey PottyMouth, the bottom line is that your Pawnee IS NOT showing up in the FAA's radar system, even though you are VERY close to Vero Beach. Agreements are pieces of paper, not working avionics, so maybe it is YOU that have early onset dementia
also the super cub flew into X52 as before. This certainly will put DH over the top. Old Bob, The PuristTCAS will see mode C, Mode S, and ADSB equipped aircraft. 19 tows were made today as well as gliders equipped with transponders and ADSB equipped gliders. Today I did a transponder test on 5*** it was noted at the tower along with altitude and speed,TomI'd like to know what aircraft show up on VRB's radar system, particularly Mode S equipped
aircraft without ADSB. Is there a website with maps of aircraft they have tracked, or at
least a list of these aircraft? Or is there some other way that you can determine what
aircraft VRB is seeing?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Hey PottyMouth, N7463Z is STILL not showing up on FlightAware, so either what you are saying is so much bullshit, or the FAA radar system has major problems. I wonder WHICH is the case?Keep digging you old fool, I knew this would get you out of the closet. Old Bob, The Purist
Tom
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 8:38:22 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:moment. I have supplied Eric with all the information from the FAA in reference to the transponder agreement outlined in the LOA. This information has been verified and yet you still cannot find the treasure box. Double up on that medication, you should
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 2:27:59 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/16/2022 10:34 AM, 2G wrote:
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 1:11:39 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:...
DH, as mentioned prior, you must be careful you might just have a stroke, get medication quickly to reduce your blood pressure. Maybe you are showing signs of dementia, anger is one of the first signs, be careful, you may go ballistic at any
dementia and not me. You should have your transponder checked because it appears to be not working. This IS a safety issue, and you have ADMITTED to some recent near misses.Hey PottyMouth, the bottom line is that your Pawnee IS NOT showing up in the FAA's radar system, even though you are VERY close to Vero Beach. Agreements are pieces of paper, not working avionics, so maybe it is YOU that have early onset
speed, also the super cub flew into X52 as before. This certainly will put DH over the top. Old Bob, The PuristTCAS will see mode C, Mode S, and ADSB equipped aircraft. 19 tows were made today as well as gliders equipped with transponders and ADSB equipped gliders. Today I did a transponder test on 5*** it was noted at the tower along with altitude andTomI'd like to know what aircraft show up on VRB's radar system, particularly Mode S equipped
aircraft without ADSB. Is there a website with maps of aircraft they have tracked, or at
least a list of these aircraft? Or is there some other way that you can determine what
aircraft VRB is seeing?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Hey PottyMouth, N7463Z is STILL not showing up on FlightAware, so either what you are saying is so much bullshit, or the FAA radar system has major problems. I wonder WHICH is the case?
TomKeep digging you old fool, I knew this would get you out of the closet. Old Bob, The Purist
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 8:38:22 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:moment. I have supplied Eric with all the information from the FAA in reference to the transponder agreement outlined in the LOA. This information has been verified and yet you still cannot find the treasure box. Double up on that medication, you should
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 2:27:59 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/16/2022 10:34 AM, 2G wrote:
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 1:11:39 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:...
DH, as mentioned prior, you must be careful you might just have a stroke, get medication quickly to reduce your blood pressure. Maybe you are showing signs of dementia, anger is one of the first signs, be careful, you may go ballistic at any
dementia and not me. You should have your transponder checked because it appears to be not working. This IS a safety issue, and you have ADMITTED to some recent near misses.Hey PottyMouth, the bottom line is that your Pawnee IS NOT showing up in the FAA's radar system, even though you are VERY close to Vero Beach. Agreements are pieces of paper, not working avionics, so maybe it is YOU that have early onset
speed, also the super cub flew into X52 as before. This certainly will put DH over the top. Old Bob, The PuristTCAS will see mode C, Mode S, and ADSB equipped aircraft. 19 tows were made today as well as gliders equipped with transponders and ADSB equipped gliders. Today I did a transponder test on 5*** it was noted at the tower along with altitude andTomI'd like to know what aircraft show up on VRB's radar system, particularly Mode S equipped
aircraft without ADSB. Is there a website with maps of aircraft they have tracked, or at
least a list of these aircraft? Or is there some other way that you can determine what
aircraft VRB is seeing?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Hey PottyMouth, N7463Z is STILL not showing up on FlightAware, so either what you are saying is so much bullshit, or the FAA radar system has major problems. I wonder WHICH is the case?
TomKeep digging you old fool, I knew this would get you out of the closet. Old Bob, The Purist
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 7:21:08 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:moment. I have supplied Eric with all the information from the FAA in reference to the transponder agreement outlined in the LOA. This information has been verified and yet you still cannot find the treasure box. Double up on that medication, you should
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 8:38:22 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 2:27:59 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/16/2022 10:34 AM, 2G wrote:
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 1:11:39 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:...
DH, as mentioned prior, you must be careful you might just have a stroke, get medication quickly to reduce your blood pressure. Maybe you are showing signs of dementia, anger is one of the first signs, be careful, you may go ballistic at any
dementia and not me. You should have your transponder checked because it appears to be not working. This IS a safety issue, and you have ADMITTED to some recent near misses.Hey PottyMouth, the bottom line is that your Pawnee IS NOT showing up in the FAA's radar system, even though you are VERY close to Vero Beach. Agreements are pieces of paper, not working avionics, so maybe it is YOU that have early onset
speed, also the super cub flew into X52 as before. This certainly will put DH over the top. Old Bob, The PuristTCAS will see mode C, Mode S, and ADSB equipped aircraft. 19 tows were made today as well as gliders equipped with transponders and ADSB equipped gliders. Today I did a transponder test on 5*** it was noted at the tower along with altitude andTomI'd like to know what aircraft show up on VRB's radar system, particularly Mode S equipped
aircraft without ADSB. Is there a website with maps of aircraft they have tracked, or at
least a list of these aircraft? Or is there some other way that you can determine what
aircraft VRB is seeing?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
DH, as I said, it is a conspiracy! OBTPHey PottyMouth, N7463Z is STILL not showing up on FlightAware, so either what you are saying is so much bullshit, or the FAA radar system has major problems. I wonder WHICH is the case?
It isn't my plane that is in violation of FARs, PottyMouth.TomKeep digging you old fool, I knew this would get you out of the closet. Old Bob, The Purist
On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 1:05:52 AM UTC-4, 2G wrote:any moment. I have supplied Eric with all the information from the FAA in reference to the transponder agreement outlined in the LOA. This information has been verified and yet you still cannot find the treasure box. Double up on that medication, you
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 7:21:08 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 8:38:22 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 2:27:59 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 10/16/2022 10:34 AM, 2G wrote:
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 1:11:39 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:...
DH, as mentioned prior, you must be careful you might just have a stroke, get medication quickly to reduce your blood pressure. Maybe you are showing signs of dementia, anger is one of the first signs, be careful, you may go ballistic at
dementia and not me. You should have your transponder checked because it appears to be not working. This IS a safety issue, and you have ADMITTED to some recent near misses.Hey PottyMouth, the bottom line is that your Pawnee IS NOT showing up in the FAA's radar system, even though you are VERY close to Vero Beach. Agreements are pieces of paper, not working avionics, so maybe it is YOU that have early onset
speed, also the super cub flew into X52 as before. This certainly will put DH over the top. Old Bob, The PuristTCAS will see mode C, Mode S, and ADSB equipped aircraft. 19 tows were made today as well as gliders equipped with transponders and ADSB equipped gliders. Today I did a transponder test on 5*** it was noted at the tower along with altitude andTomI'd like to know what aircraft show up on VRB's radar system, particularly Mode S equipped
aircraft without ADSB. Is there a website with maps of aircraft they have tracked, or at
least a list of these aircraft? Or is there some other way that you can determine what
aircraft VRB is seeing?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Hey PottyMouth, N7463Z is STILL not showing up on FlightAware, so either what you are saying is so much bullshit, or the FAA radar system has major problems. I wonder WHICH is the case?
DH, as I said, it is a conspiracy! OBTPIt isn't my plane that is in violation of FARs, PottyMouth.TomKeep digging you old fool, I knew this would get you out of the closet. Old Bob, The Purist
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