Task tracking via OGN receiversDoes anyone know what happened yesterday? Mass land outs and airspace violations. Wow.
8/30/22 - https://glidertracker.org/#tsk=https://pastebin.com/raw/FZVLE46h
I will try to post each day, if I can seethe task definition, but am leaving for Canada on Saturday.
On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 3:54:46 PM UTC-6, Ron Gleason wrote:
Task tracking via OGN receivers
8/30/22 - https://glidertracker.org/#tsk=https://pastebin.com/raw/FZVLE46h
I will try to post each day, if I can seethe task definition, but am leaving for Canada on Saturday.Does anyone know what happened yesterday? Mass land outs and airspace violations. Wow.
Does anyone know what happened yesterday? Mass land outs and airspace violations. Wow.
On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 1:54:27 PM UTC-4, R wrote:
Still ‘unofficial’….give it time to sort out those who did from those who didn’t contact ATC. Most likely a mess.Does contacting ATC avoid the penalty? I was under the impression entering airspace creates the penalty regardless. Thus, as far as scoring goes, who contacted ATC and who didn't shouldn't matter.
R
Still ‘unofficial’….give it time to sort out those who did from those who didn’t contact ATC. Most likely a mess.
R
On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 1:19:01 PM UTC-6, Javelin 77 wrote:2022-08-31 task overlaid on OGN tracking
On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 1:54:27 PM UTC-4, R wrote:For those interested.
Still ‘unofficial’….give it time to sort out those who did from those who didn’t contact ATC. Most likely a mess.Does contacting ATC avoid the penalty? I was under the impression entering airspace creates the penalty regardless. Thus, as far as scoring goes, who contacted ATC and who didn't shouldn't matter.
R
The Moriarty tracker has the current task and radar to watch as the drama unfolds.
http://moriartytracking.us/cmap.htm?fbclid=IwAR3IO8cHAMFtI6rYp81iJperj1s1qkWo89pSdsp5vNe8cUxdr9MTa65gARY
On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 1:15:10 PM UTC-4, Bob Caldwell (BC) wrote:I'm told large thunderstorms made for extremely difficult XC flying, and most everyone was
On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 3:54:46 PM UTC-6, Ron Gleason wrote:
Task tracking via OGN receiversDoes anyone know what happened yesterday? Mass land outs and airspace violations. Wow.
8/30/22 - https://glidertracker.org/#tsk=https://pastebin.com/raw/FZVLE46h >>>
I will try to post each day, if I can seethe task definition, but am leaving for Canada on Saturday.
Must have been one heck of a strange day. One contestant even landed out at ABQ Sun-Port with the proper ATC clearance but even then, it would be automatically scored as an airspace violation.
Uli
'AS'
On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 1:54:27 PM UTC-4, R wrote:
Still ‘unofficial’….give it time to sort out those who did from those who didn’t contact ATC. Most likely a mess.Does contacting ATC avoid the penalty? I was under the impression entering airspace creates the penalty regardless. Thus, as far as scoring goes, who contacted ATC and who didn't shouldn't matter.
R
Just something for the RC to consider. I think I see three that landed at Sunport. Pretty sure all have transponders, and I have no doubt all talked with approach. Probably even before entering the airspace. For those three, they did not enter thatairspace to gain a competitive advantage. They did it to do the safe thing. Land at an airport. Remember when the landing bonus was added, to encourage landing at an airport, rather than gliding on to try and get a bit more distance?
As I understand it, the reason for the airspace being closed is transponders are required to enter it, and they are not required by the rules, so having a transponder would give you an "unfair advantage" over someone who doesn't have one. We encouragegoing to an airport, rather than landing out in a field, by giving you extra points if you do so. Why not permit entry to this airspace for landing purposes (if you enter and don't land there, you still get "Contest Death", even if you are in contact
Something for the Pilot Opinion Poll in the Fall?I don't see this as a practical thing for a scorer to sort out.
For what it is worth,
Steve Leonard
No horse in this race or dog in this fight
On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 1:40:04 AM UTC-4, Steve Leonard wrote:airspace to gain a competitive advantage. They did it to do the safe thing. Land at an airport. Remember when the landing bonus was added, to encourage landing at an airport, rather than gliding on to try and get a bit more distance?
Just something for the RC to consider. I think I see three that landed at Sunport. Pretty sure all have transponders, and I have no doubt all talked with approach. Probably even before entering the airspace. For those three, they did not enter that
going to an airport, rather than landing out in a field, by giving you extra points if you do so. Why not permit entry to this airspace for landing purposes (if you enter and don't land there, you still get "Contest Death", even if you are in contact
As I understand it, the reason for the airspace being closed is transponders are required to enter it, and they are not required by the rules, so having a transponder would give you an "unfair advantage" over someone who doesn't have one. We encourage
I don't see this as a practical thing for a scorer to sort out.
Something for the Pilot Opinion Poll in the Fall?
For what it is worth,
Steve Leonard
No horse in this race or dog in this fight
On 9/1/2022 6:46 AM, John Godfrey wrote:airspace to gain a competitive advantage. They did it to do the safe thing. Land at an airport. Remember when the landing bonus was added, to encourage landing at an airport, rather than gliding on to try and get a bit more distance?
On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 1:40:04 AM UTC-4, Steve Leonard wrote:
Just something for the RC to consider. I think I see three that landed at Sunport. Pretty sure all have transponders, and I have no doubt all talked with approach. Probably even before entering the airspace. For those three, they did not enter that
encourage going to an airport, rather than landing out in a field, by giving you extra points if you do so. Why not permit entry to this airspace for landing purposes (if you enter and don't land there, you still get "Contest Death", even if you are in
As I understand it, the reason for the airspace being closed is transponders are required to enter it, and they are not required by the rules, so having a transponder would give you an "unfair advantage" over someone who doesn't have one. We
This is the method used in standard FAI rules. However, historically (far back) the SSA BOD (not the RC) has mandated the much more draconian approach currently in the rules. I would expect that if there is blowback form the FAA on these incursions thatHow about "landing" the pilot at the entry point to the airspace, and no airport bonus?I don't see this as a practical thing for a scorer to sort out.
Something for the Pilot Opinion Poll in the Fall?
For what it is worth,
Steve Leonard
No horse in this race or dog in this fight
How is a motorglider scored if it starts it's motor, then enters the airspace? And if it
lands at the airport in the airspace?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Introduction to the SSA/FAI Competition RulesRichard, a mere slap on the hand! As one famous song by Bob Dylan, The Times They Are A Changing, some people better wise up! Old Bob, The Purist
12.2.5.5 Failure to submit flight documentation (¶ 10.9.2.1.2, ¶ 11.2.2.1): penalty = 100
12.2.5.6 Serious Airspace clearance violation (¶ 10.11.3): penalty = 100 + loss of all daily points
Introduction to the 2022 SSA Competition Rules
12.2.5.5 Failure to submit flight documentation (¶ 10.9.2.1.2, ¶ 11.2.2.1): penalty = 100
12.2.5.6 Serious Airspace clearance violation (¶ 10.11.3): penalty = 100 + loss of all daily points
Richard
I don't see this as a practical thing for a scorer to sort out.
This is a terribly unjust event and I feel bad for the pilots involved.ostensibly protect the soaring community from the FAA by creating buffer zones above and below some airspaces, but not others (such as Class D). Violations of this SSA airspace results in a zero for the day plus 100 penalty points. A pilot can violate
For those non-contest pilots asking questions and making comments, here’s the deal.
During contests, pilots have to abide by SSA airspace rules. That airspace includes some airspace below Class A, B, and C, and all of the airspace inside and above Class C and B. These airspace “extensions” are to protect us from ourselves, and
BTW, flying into a Class D airspace is penalty free, even if the pilot violates the FAR’s by not contacting the controlling agency. Doesn’t sound fair does it?They made the safe call and are now penalized for that. There are no NASA reports necessary because no FAR’s were violated.
In this case, one pilot nicked the SSA airspace (but not the FAA airspace) with half a turn, and received the penalty. Three other pilots flew to the ABQ Sunport and landed legally to avoid a field landout and to avoid weather (as I understand it).
Violating airspace FAR’s during a contest should not only be frowned upon, the penalty should be even higher than the current penalty. Maybe even ejection from the contest. If that is not enough to show the FAA that we mean business (staying legal),what is? Certainly not some arbitrary buffer zone that the FAA knows nothing about.
And whether or not a rule should be instituted or not based on how hard it would be for the scorekeeper should not be a determining factor either. Scorekeepers get paid so well that I’m sure they wouldn’t mind a little extra work. :)US Team or not. It is not a minor slap on the hand to receive this penalty, it is a huge loss. This subject should not only be on the pilot opinion poll, but we should lobby hard to the competition committee as well. It is time for our airspace penalties
Losing a contest through unjust penalty points after spending thousands of dollars to travel and attend that contest and take time off from work, due to violating SSA airspace is not right. It can have further repercussions such as making it onto the
We legally fly over, under, and through the Reno Class C all of the time. The controllers are always very helpful, and even bend over backwards for glider pilots. The rules we fly under during a contest should be the same.
Good luck to all the pilots in Moriarty!
This is a terribly unjust event and I feel bad for the pilots involved.ostensibly protect the soaring community from the FAA by creating buffer zones above and below some airspaces, but not others (such as Class D). Violations of this SSA airspace results in a zero for the day plus 100 penalty points. A pilot can violate
For those non-contest pilots asking questions and making comments, here’s the deal.
During contests, pilots have to abide by SSA airspace rules. That airspace includes some airspace below Class A, B, and C, and all of the airspace inside and above Class C and B. These airspace “extensions” are to protect us from ourselves, and
BTW, flying into a Class D airspace is penalty free, even if the pilot violates the FAR’s by not contacting the controlling agency. Doesn’t sound fair does it?They made the safe call and are now penalized for that. There are no NASA reports necessary because no FAR’s were violated.
In this case, one pilot nicked the SSA airspace (but not the FAA airspace) with half a turn, and received the penalty. Three other pilots flew to the ABQ Sunport and landed legally to avoid a field landout and to avoid weather (as I understand it).
Violating airspace FAR’s during a contest should not only be frowned upon, the penalty should be even higher than the current penalty. Maybe even ejection from the contest. If that is not enough to show the FAA that we mean business (staying legal),what is? Certainly not some arbitrary buffer zone that the FAA knows nothing about.
And whether or not a rule should be instituted or not based on how hard it would be for the scorekeeper should not be a determining factor either. Scorekeepers get paid so well that I’m sure they wouldn’t mind a little extra work. :)US Team or not. It is not a minor slap on the hand to receive this penalty, it is a huge loss. This subject should not only be on the pilot opinion poll, but we should lobby hard to the competition committee as well. It is time for our airspace penalties
Losing a contest through unjust penalty points after spending thousands of dollars to travel and attend that contest and take time off from work, due to violating SSA airspace is not right. It can have further repercussions such as making it onto the
We legally fly over, under, and through the Reno Class C all of the time. The controllers are always very helpful, and even bend over backwards for glider pilots. The rules we fly under during a contest should be the same.Jim, I will take the opportunity to opine on the subject although I am not one of the contest pilots, yet a pilot that has been questioned and brought to the carpet about FAR airspace, because of contest pilots decisions to ignore airspace that creates
Good luck to all the pilots in Moriarty!
This is a terribly unjust event and I feel bad for the pilots involved.US Team or not. It is not a minor slap on the hand to receive this penalty, it is a huge loss. This subject should not only be on the pilot opinion poll, but we should lobby hard to the competition committee as well. It is time for our airspace
Losing a contest through unjust penalty points after spending thousands of dollars to travel and attend that contest and take time off from work, due to violating SSA airspace is not right. It can have further repercussions such as making it onto the
We legally fly over, under, and through the Reno Class C all of the time. The controllers are always very helpful, and even bend over backwards for glider pilots. The rules we fly under during a contest should be the same.
Good luck to all the pilots in Moriarty!
On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 4:49:28 PM UTC-4, Jim Lee wrote:ostensibly protect the soaring community from the FAA by creating buffer zones above and below some airspaces, but not others (such as Class D). Violations of this SSA airspace results in a zero for the day plus 100 penalty points. A pilot can violate
This is a terribly unjust event and I feel bad for the pilots involved.
For those non-contest pilots asking questions and making comments, here’s the deal.
During contests, pilots have to abide by SSA airspace rules. That airspace includes some airspace below Class A, B, and C, and all of the airspace inside and above Class C and B. These airspace “extensions” are to protect us from ourselves, and
They made the safe call and are now penalized for that. There are no NASA reports necessary because no FAR’s were violated.BTW, flying into a Class D airspace is penalty free, even if the pilot violates the FAR’s by not contacting the controlling agency. Doesn’t sound fair does it?
In this case, one pilot nicked the SSA airspace (but not the FAA airspace) with half a turn, and received the penalty. Three other pilots flew to the ABQ Sunport and landed legally to avoid a field landout and to avoid weather (as I understand it).
what is? Certainly not some arbitrary buffer zone that the FAA knows nothing about.Violating airspace FAR’s during a contest should not only be frowned upon, the penalty should be even higher than the current penalty. Maybe even ejection from the contest. If that is not enough to show the FAA that we mean business (staying legal),
US Team or not. It is not a minor slap on the hand to receive this penalty, it is a huge loss. This subject should not only be on the pilot opinion poll, but we should lobby hard to the competition committee as well. It is time for our airspace penaltiesAnd whether or not a rule should be instituted or not based on how hard it would be for the scorekeeper should not be a determining factor either. Scorekeepers get paid so well that I’m sure they wouldn’t mind a little extra work. :)
Losing a contest through unjust penalty points after spending thousands of dollars to travel and attend that contest and take time off from work, due to violating SSA airspace is not right. It can have further repercussions such as making it onto the
"If the pilot who had one fix in the "SSA airspace" in the vertical he would get a 25 point penalty for a minor violation."We legally fly over, under, and through the Reno Class C all of the time. The controllers are always very helpful, and even bend over backwards for glider pilots. The rules we fly under during a contest should be the same.
Good luck to all the pilots in Moriarty!If the pilot who had one fix in the "SSA airspace" in the vertical he would get a 25 point penalty for a minor violation.
Horizontal violations no longer have a minor. One fix in and you have the major penalty.
I would be surprised if any of the pilots in this national contest don't have flight computers that can display airspace and provide warnings.
I landed out in the WGC avoiding airspace. Sometimes, unfortunately that is what we have to do.
At least the pain came on a low scoring day.
Flying over C in a contest and expecting a controller to deal with numerous pilots who fall into their airspace, even if equipped with transponders, would be nuts.
The pilots who legally entered C did so presumably understanding that they were making a safety choice and sacrificing score.
Hopefully the weather will improve and they can have some fun.
UH
On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 5:30:16 PM UTC-4, Hank Nixon wrote:ostensibly protect the soaring community from the FAA by creating buffer zones above and below some airspaces, but not others (such as Class D). Violations of this SSA airspace results in a zero for the day plus 100 penalty points. A pilot can violate
On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 4:49:28 PM UTC-4, Jim Lee wrote:
This is a terribly unjust event and I feel bad for the pilots involved.
For those non-contest pilots asking questions and making comments, here’s the deal.
During contests, pilots have to abide by SSA airspace rules. That airspace includes some airspace below Class A, B, and C, and all of the airspace inside and above Class C and B. These airspace “extensions” are to protect us from ourselves, and
They made the safe call and are now penalized for that. There are no NASA reports necessary because no FAR’s were violated.BTW, flying into a Class D airspace is penalty free, even if the pilot violates the FAR’s by not contacting the controlling agency. Doesn’t sound fair does it?
In this case, one pilot nicked the SSA airspace (but not the FAA airspace) with half a turn, and received the penalty. Three other pilots flew to the ABQ Sunport and landed legally to avoid a field landout and to avoid weather (as I understand it).
legal), what is? Certainly not some arbitrary buffer zone that the FAA knows nothing about.Violating airspace FAR’s during a contest should not only be frowned upon, the penalty should be even higher than the current penalty. Maybe even ejection from the contest. If that is not enough to show the FAA that we mean business (staying
the US Team or not. It is not a minor slap on the hand to receive this penalty, it is a huge loss. This subject should not only be on the pilot opinion poll, but we should lobby hard to the competition committee as well. It is time for our airspaceAnd whether or not a rule should be instituted or not based on how hard it would be for the scorekeeper should not be a determining factor either. Scorekeepers get paid so well that I’m sure they wouldn’t mind a little extra work. :)
Losing a contest through unjust penalty points after spending thousands of dollars to travel and attend that contest and take time off from work, due to violating SSA airspace is not right. It can have further repercussions such as making it onto
Let me clarify. In the USA the airspace above classes B, C, R, P is also forbidden. Entering that airspace is a major airspace penalty (loss of all daily points an additionaly a 100 point penalty).We legally fly over, under, and through the Reno Class C all of the time. The controllers are always very helpful, and even bend over backwards for glider pilots. The rules we fly under during a contest should be the same.
"If the pilot who had one fix in the "SSA airspace" in the vertical he would get a 25 point penalty for a minor violation."Good luck to all the pilots in Moriarty!If the pilot who had one fix in the "SSA airspace" in the vertical he would get a 25 point penalty for a minor violation.
Horizontal violations no longer have a minor. One fix in and you have the major penalty.
I would be surprised if any of the pilots in this national contest don't have flight computers that can display airspace and provide warnings.
I landed out in the WGC avoiding airspace. Sometimes, unfortunately that is what we have to do.
At least the pain came on a low scoring day.
Flying over C in a contest and expecting a controller to deal with numerous pilots who fall into their airspace, even if equipped with transponders, would be nuts.
The pilots who legally entered C did so presumably understanding that they were making a safety choice and sacrificing score.
Hopefully the weather will improve and they can have some fun.
UH
This is not true. It is a major violation (maybe shouln't be)
On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 8:32:14 PM UTC-4, John Godfrey wrote:and ostensibly protect the soaring community from the FAA by creating buffer zones above and below some airspaces, but not others (such as Class D). Violations of this SSA airspace results in a zero for the day plus 100 penalty points. A pilot can
On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 5:30:16 PM UTC-4, Hank Nixon wrote:
On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 4:49:28 PM UTC-4, Jim Lee wrote:
This is a terribly unjust event and I feel bad for the pilots involved.
For those non-contest pilots asking questions and making comments, here’s the deal.
During contests, pilots have to abide by SSA airspace rules. That airspace includes some airspace below Class A, B, and C, and all of the airspace inside and above Class C and B. These airspace “extensions” are to protect us from ourselves,
. They made the safe call and are now penalized for that. There are no NASA reports necessary because no FAR’s were violated.BTW, flying into a Class D airspace is penalty free, even if the pilot violates the FAR’s by not contacting the controlling agency. Doesn’t sound fair does it?
In this case, one pilot nicked the SSA airspace (but not the FAA airspace) with half a turn, and received the penalty. Three other pilots flew to the ABQ Sunport and landed legally to avoid a field landout and to avoid weather (as I understand it)
legal), what is? Certainly not some arbitrary buffer zone that the FAA knows nothing about.Violating airspace FAR’s during a contest should not only be frowned upon, the penalty should be even higher than the current penalty. Maybe even ejection from the contest. If that is not enough to show the FAA that we mean business (staying
the US Team or not. It is not a minor slap on the hand to receive this penalty, it is a huge loss. This subject should not only be on the pilot opinion poll, but we should lobby hard to the competition committee as well. It is time for our airspaceAnd whether or not a rule should be instituted or not based on how hard it would be for the scorekeeper should not be a determining factor either. Scorekeepers get paid so well that I’m sure they wouldn’t mind a little extra work. :)
Losing a contest through unjust penalty points after spending thousands of dollars to travel and attend that contest and take time off from work, due to violating SSA airspace is not right. It can have further repercussions such as making it onto
We legally fly over, under, and through the Reno Class C all of the time. The controllers are always very helpful, and even bend over backwards for glider pilots. The rules we fly under during a contest should be the same.
Let me clarify. In the USA the airspace above classes B, C, R, P is also forbidden. Entering that airspace is a major airspace penalty (loss of all daily points an additionaly a 100 point penalty)."If the pilot who had one fix in the "SSA airspace" in the vertical he would get a 25 point penalty for a minor violation."Good luck to all the pilots in Moriarty!If the pilot who had one fix in the "SSA airspace" in the vertical he would get a 25 point penalty for a minor violation.
Horizontal violations no longer have a minor. One fix in and you have the major penalty.
I would be surprised if any of the pilots in this national contest don't have flight computers that can display airspace and provide warnings.
I landed out in the WGC avoiding airspace. Sometimes, unfortunately that is what we have to do.
At least the pain came on a low scoring day.
Flying over C in a contest and expecting a controller to deal with numerous pilots who fall into their airspace, even if equipped with transponders, would be nuts.
The pilots who legally entered C did so presumably understanding that they were making a safety choice and sacrificing score.
Hopefully the weather will improve and they can have some fun.
UH
This is not true. It is a major violation (maybe shouln't be)
Good reading.
Aviation Safety and Reporting System (ASRS) form.
https://pilotworkshop.com/tips/nasa-form-1221/
If you have not filed this report you may want to within 10 days of the incident.
Anyone who made an airspace ADS-b incursion should read the above link to avoid penalties for noncompliance.
Richard
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:01:40 PM UTC-4, Richard Pfiffner wrote:
Good reading.
Aviation Safety and Reporting System (ASRS) form.
https://pilotworkshop.com/tips/nasa-form-1221/
If you have not filed this report you may want to within 10 days of the incident.
and underdeveloped. An appropriately ambitious Task A called for a 350k racing task triangle but as the day took longer and longer to develop there was less of aAnyone who made an airspace ADS-b incursion should read the above link to avoid penalties for noncompliance.
RichardA recap by David McMaster
Club Class Day 5
Today I got to experience first hand the weather conditions that these pilots had to fly in, and itwas certainly tricky. It stayed relatively cool until around 1300, which led to a rather pleasant grid squat but also meant that the thermals were weak
chance for this racing task. Somewhere during the launch they switched to Task B which was a shorter 311k racing polygon. All day the thermals were choppy, undeveloped,weak, and relatively low for thegiven terrain and landing options; in short theweather was less than what I would have considered adequate for such a task into the mountains. Many contestants felt the same way as about 1/3 of the
fleet either neglected to start the task, made their way to the first point then returned home or made the first turn then decided to not continue on task and returned home. Out of the 24 pilots only 4 managed their way around the course. I myself hadthe opportunity to fly around in an Arcus and even in that I do not think that I would have wanted to give this task a go not to mention anything in the club class fleet. Overall today was a low point day but still gave a good mix up on the score sheet
days of flying left there is plenty of time for contestants to climb, or fall, on the standings.
David McMaster
This what I would call unacceptable for a National Contest. The day should be tossed out. They are trying to make carnage. I hope Costelo doesn't look at these reports as to what's going on.
GB
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-6, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:01:40 PM UTC-4, Richard Pfiffner wrote:
Good reading.
Aviation Safety and Reporting System (ASRS) form.
https://pilotworkshop.com/tips/nasa-form-1221/
If you have not filed this report you may want to within 10 days of the incident.
and underdeveloped. An appropriately ambitious Task A called for a 350k racing task triangle but as the day took longer and longer to develop there was less of aAnyone who made an airspace ADS-b incursion should read the above link to avoid penalties for noncompliance.
RichardA recap by David McMaster
Club Class Day 5
Today I got to experience first hand the weather conditions that these pilots had to fly in, and itwas certainly tricky. It stayed relatively cool until around 1300, which led to a rather pleasant grid squat but also meant that the thermals were weak
weather was less than what I would have considered adequate for such a task into the mountains. Many contestants felt the same way as about 1/3 of thechance for this racing task. Somewhere during the launch they switched to Task B which was a shorter 311k racing polygon. All day the thermals were choppy, undeveloped,weak, and relatively low for thegiven terrain and landing options; in short the
had the opportunity to fly around in an Arcus and even in that I do not think that I would have wanted to give this task a go not to mention anything in the club class fleet. Overall today was a low point day but still gave a good mix up on the scorefleet either neglected to start the task, made their way to the first point then returned home or made the first turn then decided to not continue on task and returned home. Out of the 24 pilots only 4 managed their way around the course. I myself
days of flying left there is plenty of time for contestants to climb, or fall, on the standings.
David McMaster
This what I would call unacceptable for a National Contest. The day should be tossed out. They are trying to make carnage. I hope Costelo doesn't look at these reports as to what's going on.I suggest you look up the meanings of "carnage" and "slander"
GB
Mike Carris.
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 3:18:48 PM UTC-4, rs15...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-6, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:01:40 PM UTC-4, Richard Pfiffner wrote:
Good reading.
Aviation Safety and Reporting System (ASRS) form.
https://pilotworkshop.com/tips/nasa-form-1221/
If you have not filed this report you may want to within 10 days of the incident.
weak and underdeveloped. An appropriately ambitious Task A called for a 350k racing task triangle but as the day took longer and longer to develop there was less of aAnyone who made an airspace ADS-b incursion should read the above link to avoid penalties for noncompliance.
RichardA recap by David McMaster
Club Class Day 5
Today I got to experience first hand the weather conditions that these pilots had to fly in, and itwas certainly tricky. It stayed relatively cool until around 1300, which led to a rather pleasant grid squat but also meant that the thermals were
weather was less than what I would have considered adequate for such a task into the mountains. Many contestants felt the same way as about 1/3 of thechance for this racing task. Somewhere during the launch they switched to Task B which was a shorter 311k racing polygon. All day the thermals were choppy, undeveloped,weak, and relatively low for thegiven terrain and landing options; in short the
had the opportunity to fly around in an Arcus and even in that I do not think that I would have wanted to give this task a go not to mention anything in the club class fleet. Overall today was a low point day but still gave a good mix up on the scorefleet either neglected to start the task, made their way to the first point then returned home or made the first turn then decided to not continue on task and returned home. Out of the 24 pilots only 4 managed their way around the course. I myself
I am curious is there any difference between Club and Sports class in the US?days of flying left there is plenty of time for contestants to climb, or fall, on the standings.
David McMaster
This what I would call unacceptable for a National Contest. The day should be tossed out. They are trying to make carnage. I hope Costelo doesn't look at these reports as to what's going on.I suggest you look up the meanings of "carnage" and "slander"
GB
Mike Carris.Mike your right I should have said Junk instead of carnage.
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 12:46:22 PM UTC-7, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 3:18:48 PM UTC-4, rs15...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-6, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:01:40 PM UTC-4, Richard Pfiffner wrote:
Good reading.
Aviation Safety and Reporting System (ASRS) form.
https://pilotworkshop.com/tips/nasa-form-1221/
If you have not filed this report you may want to within 10 days of the incident.
weak and underdeveloped. An appropriately ambitious Task A called for a 350k racing task triangle but as the day took longer and longer to develop there was less of aAnyone who made an airspace ADS-b incursion should read the above link to avoid penalties for noncompliance.
RichardA recap by David McMaster
Club Class Day 5
Today I got to experience first hand the weather conditions that these pilots had to fly in, and itwas certainly tricky. It stayed relatively cool until around 1300, which led to a rather pleasant grid squat but also meant that the thermals were
the weather was less than what I would have considered adequate for such a task into the mountains. Many contestants felt the same way as about 1/3 of thechance for this racing task. Somewhere during the launch they switched to Task B which was a shorter 311k racing polygon. All day the thermals were choppy, undeveloped,weak, and relatively low for thegiven terrain and landing options; in short
myself had the opportunity to fly around in an Arcus and even in that I do not think that I would have wanted to give this task a go not to mention anything in the club class fleet. Overall today was a low point day but still gave a good mix up on thefleet either neglected to start the task, made their way to the first point then returned home or made the first turn then decided to not continue on task and returned home. Out of the 24 pilots only 4 managed their way around the course. I
days of flying left there is plenty of time for contestants to climb, or fall, on the standings.
David McMaster
This what I would call unacceptable for a National Contest. The day should be tossed out. They are trying to make carnage. I hope Costelo doesn't look at these reports as to what's going on.I suggest you look up the meanings of "carnage" and "slander"
GB
I am curious is there any difference between Club and Sports class in the US?Mike Carris.Mike your right I should have said Junk instead of carnage.
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 8:14:53 PM UTC-6, kuzi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 12:46:22 PM UTC-7, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 3:18:48 PM UTC-4, rs15...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-6, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:01:40 PM UTC-4, Richard Pfiffner wrote:
Good reading.
Aviation Safety and Reporting System (ASRS) form.
https://pilotworkshop.com/tips/nasa-form-1221/
If you have not filed this report you may want to within 10 days of the incident.
were weak and underdeveloped. An appropriately ambitious Task A called for a 350k racing task triangle but as the day took longer and longer to develop there was less of aAnyone who made an airspace ADS-b incursion should read the above link to avoid penalties for noncompliance.
RichardA recap by David McMaster
Club Class Day 5
Today I got to experience first hand the weather conditions that these pilots had to fly in, and itwas certainly tricky. It stayed relatively cool until around 1300, which led to a rather pleasant grid squat but also meant that the thermals
the weather was less than what I would have considered adequate for such a task into the mountains. Many contestants felt the same way as about 1/3 of thechance for this racing task. Somewhere during the launch they switched to Task B which was a shorter 311k racing polygon. All day the thermals were choppy, undeveloped,weak, and relatively low for thegiven terrain and landing options; in short
myself had the opportunity to fly around in an Arcus and even in that I do not think that I would have wanted to give this task a go not to mention anything in the club class fleet. Overall today was a low point day but still gave a good mix up on thefleet either neglected to start the task, made their way to the first point then returned home or made the first turn then decided to not continue on task and returned home. Out of the 24 pilots only 4 managed their way around the course. I
Yeah I got beat by a KA-6 one day and a Libelle another day at Region 8 this year in the sports class. I fly an ASW-20. Would that be competitive at a national club class competition? I am new to racing. Do they have national sports class competitionsdays of flying left there is plenty of time for contestants to climb, or fall, on the standings.
David McMaster
This what I would call unacceptable for a National Contest. The day should be tossed out. They are trying to make carnage. I hope Costelo doesn't look at these reports as to what's going on.I suggest you look up the meanings of "carnage" and "slander"
GB
Hi Charles,I am curious is there any difference between Club and Sports class in the US?Mike Carris.Mike your right I should have said Junk instead of carnage.
The USA Sports Class is more inclusive of sailplane models and has an extended handicap range. For example you can fly a Schweizer 1-26, DuckHawk and ASG32 in Sports Class.
Mike Carris
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 10:35:12 PM UTC-7, rs15...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 8:14:53 PM UTC-6, kuzi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 12:46:22 PM UTC-7, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 3:18:48 PM UTC-4, rs15...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-6, Glenn Betzoldt wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:01:40 PM UTC-4, Richard Pfiffner wrote:
Good reading.
Aviation Safety and Reporting System (ASRS) form.
https://pilotworkshop.com/tips/nasa-form-1221/
If you have not filed this report you may want to within 10 days of the incident.
were weak and underdeveloped. An appropriately ambitious Task A called for a 350k racing task triangle but as the day took longer and longer to develop there was less of aAnyone who made an airspace ADS-b incursion should read the above link to avoid penalties for noncompliance.
RichardA recap by David McMaster
Club Class Day 5
Today I got to experience first hand the weather conditions that these pilots had to fly in, and itwas certainly tricky. It stayed relatively cool until around 1300, which led to a rather pleasant grid squat but also meant that the thermals
short the weather was less than what I would have considered adequate for such a task into the mountains. Many contestants felt the same way as about 1/3 of thechance for this racing task. Somewhere during the launch they switched to Task B which was a shorter 311k racing polygon. All day the thermals were choppy, undeveloped,weak, and relatively low for thegiven terrain and landing options; in
myself had the opportunity to fly around in an Arcus and even in that I do not think that I would have wanted to give this task a go not to mention anything in the club class fleet. Overall today was a low point day but still gave a good mix up on thefleet either neglected to start the task, made their way to the first point then returned home or made the first turn then decided to not continue on task and returned home. Out of the 24 pilots only 4 managed their way around the course. I
or just Club class?days of flying left there is plenty of time for contestants to climb, or fall, on the standings.
David McMaster
This what I would call unacceptable for a National Contest. The day should be tossed out. They are trying to make carnage. I hope Costelo doesn't look at these reports as to what's going on.I suggest you look up the meanings of "carnage" and "slander"
GB
Hi Charles,I am curious is there any difference between Club and Sports class in the US?Mike Carris.Mike your right I should have said Junk instead of carnage.
The USA Sports Class is more inclusive of sailplane models and has an extended handicap range. For example you can fly a Schweizer 1-26, DuckHawk and ASG32 in Sports Class.
Mike CarrisYeah I got beat by a KA-6 one day and a Libelle another day at Region 8 this year in the sports class. I fly an ASW-20. Would that be competitive at a national club class competition? I am new to racing. Do they have national sports class competitions
Thanks,
Charlie
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