Hi, I ask you to evaluate the sustainable device for the glider. Right now it is installed on my LS1d. Consists of the body, the battery, the motor and the folding propeller. There is no need to rebuild the airframe, it is enough to reinforce the bodyfrom the inside with a fiberglass sticker and drill 6 holes in the skin. Installed and removed in half an hour. If necessary, the pilot presses a button, the tail of the thin plastic fairing falls off, the motor turns on and you can fly horizontally for
Would you buy that ?I think it would be more attractive if it did not have the rear fairing; instead, a
Would you buy that ?
Would you buy that ?What price? What delivery time? What kind of battery? What kind of charger? How long to charge?
On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 9:45:09 AM UTC-7, johnsin...@yahoo.com wrote:It's totally unsuitable for your ASH31Mi, and seems intended for smaller, lighter gliders.
On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 7:35:07 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
Maybe put the battery inside, leaving just the motor and folding prop exposed? What’s its maximum thrust?Would you buy that ?What price? What delivery time? What kind of battery? What kind of charger? How long to charge?
I believe a standard class sailplane has about 20# of drag at best L/D…….?
Interesting idea,
JJ
"The fairing falls off," so it has to be replaced after every use (and the old one litters the countryside)?
7% loss would mean you will need it on most flights (at least the ones I do). 50km should be derated by half when one considers headwinds and clearing obstacles. This means 25km, or 16mi - I am on a final glide 16mi out.
Sorry, but I am not interested.
Tom
On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 7:35:07 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
Maybe put the battery inside, leaving just the motor and folding prop exposed? What’s its maximum thrust?Would you buy that ?What price? What delivery time? What kind of battery? What kind of charger? How long to charge?
I believe a standard class sailplane has about 20# of drag at best L/D…….?
Interesting idea,
JJ
On 8/6/2022 8:38 PM, 2G wrote:
On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 9:45:09 AM UTC-7, johnsin...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 7:35:07 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
Maybe put the battery inside, leaving just the motor and folding prop exposed? What’s its maximum thrust?Would you buy that ?What price? What delivery time? What kind of battery? What kind of charger? How long to charge?
I believe a standard class sailplane has about 20# of drag at best L/D…….?
Interesting idea,
JJ
"The fairing falls off," so it has to be replaced after every use (and the old one litters the countryside)?
7% loss would mean you will need it on most flights (at least the ones I do). 50km should be derated by half when one considers headwinds and clearing obstacles. This means 25km, or 16mi - I am on a final glide 16mi out.
Sorry, but I am not interested.
TomIt's totally unsuitable for your ASH31Mi, and seems intended for smaller, lighter gliders.
Perhaps you are thinking of getting a 13 to 15 meter glider in addition to the 31?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On 8/6/2022 8:38 PM, 2G wrote:
On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 9:45:09 AM UTC-7, johnsin...@yahoo.comIt's totally unsuitable for your ASH31Mi, and seems intended for
wrote:
On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 7:35:07 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
Maybe put the battery inside, leaving just the motor and folding propWould you buy that ?What price? What delivery time? What kind of battery? What kind of
charger? How long to charge?
exposed? What’s its maximum thrust?
I believe a standard class sailplane has about 20# of drag at best
L/D…….?
Interesting idea,
JJ
"The fairing falls off," so it has to be replaced after every use (and
the old one litters the countryside)?
7% loss would mean you will need it on most flights (at least the ones
I do). 50km should be derated by half when one considers headwinds and
clearing obstacles. This means 25km, or 16mi - I am on a final glide
16mi out.
Sorry, but I am not interested.
Tom
smaller, lighter gliders. Perhaps you are thinking of getting a 13 to 15 meter glider in addition to the 31?
On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 9:11:46 PM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:which he doesn't explain where they will be stored, how they will be charged, or their type).
On 8/6/2022 8:38 PM, 2G wrote:
On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 9:45:09 AM UTC-7, johnsin...@yahoo.com wrote:It's totally unsuitable for your ASH31Mi, and seems intended for smaller, lighter gliders.
On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 7:35:07 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
Maybe put the battery inside, leaving just the motor and folding prop exposed? What’s its maximum thrust?Would you buy that ?What price? What delivery time? What kind of battery? What kind of charger? How long to charge?
I believe a standard class sailplane has about 20# of drag at best L/D…….?
Interesting idea,
JJ
"The fairing falls off," so it has to be replaced after every use (and the old one litters the countryside)?
7% loss would mean you will need it on most flights (at least the ones I do). 50km should be derated by half when one considers headwinds and clearing obstacles. This means 25km, or 16mi - I am on a final glide 16mi out.
Sorry, but I am not interested.
Tom
Perhaps you are thinking of getting a 13 to 15 meter glider in addition to the 31?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Obviously, I don't need it - this is my evaluation in the hypothetical situation that I was flying a gravity glider. If I were, I would not want to sacrifice 7% performance for such a limited range plus all of the aggravation of dealing with batteries (
Tom
On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 7:35:07 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
Would you buy that ?What price? What delivery time? What kind of battery? What kind of charger? How long to charge?
Maybe put the battery inside, leaving just the motor and folding prop exposed? What’s its maximum thrust?
I believe a standard class sailplane has about 20# of drag at best L/D…….?
Interesting idea,
JJ
On 8/6/22 10:45, John Sinclair wrote:
On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 7:35:07 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
Would you buy that ?What price? What delivery time? What kind of battery? What kind of charger? How long to charge?
Maybe put the battery inside, leaving just the motor and folding prop exposed? What’s its maximum thrust?From the FB discussion, the battery is inside the pod. 22 kg total
I believe a standard class sailplane has about 20# of drag at best L/D…….?
Interesting idea,
JJ
weight. And the new improved model doesn't drop the fairings, they're
tied to a rope that's glued to the middle of the fuselage. I assume
they nick up the finish as they're dangling in the breeze.
Gotta admit, this thing does make the Jeta look a little more attractive :-)
On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 12:23:22 PM UTC-7, kinsell wrote:
On 8/6/22 10:45, John Sinclair wrote:
On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 7:35:07 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:From the FB discussion, the battery is inside the pod. 22 kg total
Would you buy that ?What price? What delivery time? What kind of battery? What kind of charger? How long to charge?
Maybe put the battery inside, leaving just the motor and folding prop exposed? What’s its maximum thrust?
I believe a standard class sailplane has about 20# of drag at best L/D…….?
Interesting idea,
JJ
weight. And the new improved model doesn't drop the fairings, they're
tied to a rope that's glued to the middle of the fuselage. I assume
they nick up the finish as they're dangling in the breeze.
Gotta admit, this thing does make the Jeta look a little more attractive :-)
That's what I want: glider parts flapping about in the airstream, banging up my glider! I doubt that it helps the L/D, either. Just when I thought this concept couldn't get worse...
If this is what it takes to make the Jetta look better the Jetta is in REAL TROUBLE!
Tom
On 8/7/22 19:07, 2G wrote:
On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 12:23:22 PM UTC-7, kinsell wrote:
On 8/6/22 10:45, John Sinclair wrote:
On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 7:35:07 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:From the FB discussion, the battery is inside the pod. 22 kg total
Would you buy that ?What price? What delivery time? What kind of battery? What kind of
charger? How long to charge?
Maybe put the battery inside, leaving just the motor and folding
prop exposed? What’s its maximum thrust?
I believe a standard class sailplane has about 20# of drag at best
L/D…….?
Interesting idea,
JJ
weight. And the new improved model doesn't drop the fairings, they're
tied to a rope that's glued to the middle of the fuselage. I assume
they nick up the finish as they're dangling in the breeze.
Gotta admit, this thing does make the Jeta look a little more
attractive :-)
That's what I want: glider parts flapping about in the airstream,
banging up my glider! I doubt that it helps the L/D, either. Just when
I thought this concept couldn't get worse...
If this is what it takes to make the Jetta look better the Jetta is in
REAL TROUBLE!
Tom
Jetta's had the big car emissions scandal, I was thinking of the glider scandal.
What happened to Mr. GoofyGlider, he was desperate to get his hands on a Jeta?. I pointed him to two for sale, which happened to be (and still
is) the entire world supply of the type.
Meanwhile, article number 0002 still languishes on W&W. Somebody needs
to give this puppy a home. Eric? Raul? Ramy? GoofyGLider?
https://wingsandwheels.com/classifieds/motorgliders/gp-gliders-gp15-jeta-2.html
That is a mighty fine looking glider! So... Why isn't it selling? The price looks reasonable given the claimed performance.
Dan
5J
On 8/7/22 19:44, kinsell wrote:
On 8/7/22 19:07, 2G wrote:
On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 12:23:22 PM UTC-7, kinsell wrote:
On 8/6/22 10:45, John Sinclair wrote:
On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 7:35:07 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote: >>>>>>> Would you buy that ?From the FB discussion, the battery is inside the pod. 22 kg total
What price? What delivery time? What kind of battery? What kind of >>>>>> charger? How long to charge?
Maybe put the battery inside, leaving just the motor and folding
prop exposed? What’s its maximum thrust?
I believe a standard class sailplane has about 20# of drag at best
L/D…….?
Interesting idea,
JJ
weight. And the new improved model doesn't drop the fairings, they're
tied to a rope that's glued to the middle of the fuselage. I assume
they nick up the finish as they're dangling in the breeze.
Gotta admit, this thing does make the Jeta look a little more
attractive :-)
That's what I want: glider parts flapping about in the airstream,
banging up my glider! I doubt that it helps the L/D, either. Just
when I thought this concept couldn't get worse...
If this is what it takes to make the Jetta look better the Jetta is
in REAL TROUBLE!
Tom
Jetta's had the big car emissions scandal, I was thinking of the
glider scandal.
What happened to Mr. GoofyGlider, he was desperate to get his hands on
a Jeta?. I pointed him to two for sale, which happened to be (and
still is) the entire world supply of the type.
Meanwhile, article number 0002 still languishes on W&W. Somebody needs
to give this puppy a home. Eric? Raul? Ramy? GoofyGLider?
https://wingsandwheels.com/classifieds/motorgliders/gp-gliders-gp15-jeta-2.html
Hi, I ask you to evaluate the sustainable device for the glider. Right now it is installed on my LS1d. Consists of the body, the battery, the motor and the folding propeller. There is no need to rebuild the airframe, it is enough to reinforce the bodyfrom the inside with a fiberglass sticker and drill 6 holes in the skin. Installed and removed in half an hour. If necessary, the pilot presses a button, the tail of the thin plastic fairing falls off, the motor turns on and you can fly horizontally for
Would you buy that ?
Support, and constructively worded suggestions/comments, for an embryonic idea like this one is a good thing.
As my mother used to say, "If you can't say something nice, then please don't say it."
- John (OHM)
https://groups.google.com/g/rasprime
And the new improved model doesn't drop the fairings, they're
tied to a rope that's glued to the middle of the fuselage. I assume
they nick up the finish as they're dangling in the breeze.
On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 12:23:22 PM UTC-7, kinsell wrote:retrieve option. Depending on the aircraft and the price, an FES conversion might make more sense. Or, maybe a more streamlined design where the battery pack goes inside the fuselage. It's not as modular, but I'm not sure what the benefit of making it
And the new improved model doesn't drop the fairings, they'reFiberglass parts dangling from a rope are likely to get dinged up pretty well upon landing as they get dragged down the runway. The concept is interesting, but I'd be surprised if very many people would take 7% off their L/D in exchange for a self-
tied to a rope that's glued to the middle of the fuselage. I assume
they nick up the finish as they're dangling in the breeze.
Support, and constructively worded suggestions/comments, for an embryonic idea like this one is a good thing.
As my mother used to say, "If you can't say something nice, then please don't say it."
- John (OHM)
https://groups.google.com/g/rasprime
Good question. It's looking for its fourth private owner, with zero
hours on the airframe. Don't see that everyday.
The bigger question is why the dealer doesn't grab it for himself? I've heard he has one on order, yet he keeps showing up at contests flying an LS-8. Why not go with the latest and greatest? In the electronics
industry, that's what we used to call "eating your own dogfood".
On 8/8/22 09:14, Dan Marotta wrote:
That is a mighty fine looking glider! So... Why isn't it selling? The price looks reasonable given the claimed performance.
Dan
5J
On 8/7/22 19:44, kinsell wrote:
On 8/7/22 19:07, 2G wrote:
On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 12:23:22 PM UTC-7, kinsell wrote:
On 8/6/22 10:45, John Sinclair wrote:
On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 7:35:07 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote: >>>>>>> Would you buy that ?From the FB discussion, the battery is inside the pod. 22 kg total >>>> weight. And the new improved model doesn't drop the fairings, they're >>>> tied to a rope that's glued to the middle of the fuselage. I assume >>>> they nick up the finish as they're dangling in the breeze.
What price? What delivery time? What kind of battery? What kind of >>>>>> charger? How long to charge?
Maybe put the battery inside, leaving just the motor and folding
prop exposed? What’s its maximum thrust?
I believe a standard class sailplane has about 20# of drag at best >>>>> L/D…….?
Interesting idea,
JJ
Gotta admit, this thing does make the Jeta look a little more
attractive :-)
That's what I want: glider parts flapping about in the airstream,
banging up my glider! I doubt that it helps the L/D, either. Just
when I thought this concept couldn't get worse...
If this is what it takes to make the Jetta look better the Jetta is
in REAL TROUBLE!
Tom
Jetta's had the big car emissions scandal, I was thinking of the
glider scandal.
What happened to Mr. GoofyGlider, he was desperate to get his hands on
a Jeta?. I pointed him to two for sale, which happened to be (and
still is) the entire world supply of the type.
Meanwhile, article number 0002 still languishes on W&W. Somebody needs
to give this puppy a home. Eric? Raul? Ramy? GoofyGLider?
https://wingsandwheels.com/classifieds/motorgliders/gp-gliders-gp15-jeta-2.html
On 8/8/2022 10:53 AM, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:Eric, this is better entertainment than watching, "The View", yes, all the motorglider guys are at it again, trying to make a round ball square. And then comes DH, he could piss off the Pope, now you guys have dangling parts falling from the sky, ropes
Support, and constructively worded suggestions/comments, for an embryonic idea like this one is a good thing.
As my mother used to say, "If you can't say something nice, then please don't say it."
- John (OHM)
https://groups.google.com/g/rasprime
I agree. This device is a "proof of concept" in it's current state of development, and not
even a production prototype, much less something being offered for sale. I suggest pilots
interested in the concept of an easily added sustainer system tell the developer what
features and price would make it attractive to you.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 2:11:24 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:hanging from a glider like Tarzan swinging through the jungle, and someone concerned about charging the damn battery. Sure glad to be a purist. Old Bob, The Purist
On 8/8/2022 10:53 AM, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:
Support, and constructively worded suggestions/comments, for an embryonic idea like this one is a good thing.
As my mother used to say, "If you can't say something nice, then please don't say it."
- John (OHM)
https://groups.google.com/g/rasprime
I agree. This device is a "proof of concept" in it's current state of development, and notEric, this is better entertainment than watching, "The View", yes, all the motorglider guys are at it again, trying to make a round ball square. And then comes DH, he could piss off the Pope, now you guys have dangling parts falling from the sky, ropes
even a production prototype, much less something being offered for sale. I suggest pilots
interested in the concept of an easily added sustainer system tell the developer what
features and price would make it attractive to you.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
ropes hanging from a glider like Tarzan swinging through the jungle, and someone concerned about charging the damn battery. Sure glad to be a purist. Old Bob, The PuristEric, this is better entertainment than watching, "The View", yes, all the motorglider guys are at it again, trying to make a round ball square. And then comes DH, he could piss off the Pope, now you guys have dangling parts falling from the sky,I agree. This device is a "proof of concept" in it's current state of development, and not
even a production prototype, much less something being offered for sale. I suggest pilots
interested in the concept of an easily added sustainer system tell the developer what
features and price would make it attractive to you.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On 8/9/2022 5:24 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:ropes hanging from a glider like Tarzan swinging through the jungle, and someone concerned about charging the damn battery. Sure glad to be a purist. Old Bob, The Purist
...
Eric, this is better entertainment than watching, "The View", yes, all the motorglider guys are at it again, trying to make a round ball square. And then comes DH, he could piss off the Pope, now you guys have dangling parts falling from the sky,I agree. This device is a "proof of concept" in it's current state of development, and not
even a production prototype, much less something being offered for sale. I suggest pilots
interested in the concept of an easily added sustainer system tell the developer what
features and price would make it attractive to you.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Towplanes have 200' of "dangling parts" [the rope] for Tarzan to swing on, and you fussEric, thanks for the reply about that beautiful, Purist launching , rope dangling, Pawnee tow plane. We really don't have a problem with the rope, it is a beautiful sight to behold as the rope attaches to the glider for launch, even you motorglider guys
about a small plastic cone on a couple feet of string? Our club was fortunate we only had
a couple close calls with ropes on towplanes, but we did spend many hours bonding,
searching for tow ropes that didn't come back on the end of the towplane 8^) --
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Hi, I ask you to evaluate the sustainable device for the glider. Right now it is installed on my LS1d. Consists of the body, the battery, the motor and the folding propeller. There is no need to rebuild the airframe, it is enough to reinforce the bodyfrom the inside with a fiberglass sticker and drill 6 holes in the skin. Installed and removed in half an hour. If necessary, the pilot presses a button, the tail of the thin plastic fairing falls off, the motor turns on and you can fly horizontally for
Would you buy that ?
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 9:54:52 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:ropes hanging from a glider like Tarzan swinging through the jungle, and someone concerned about charging the damn battery. Sure glad to be a purist. Old Bob, The Purist
On 8/9/2022 5:24 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
...
Eric, this is better entertainment than watching, "The View", yes, all the motorglider guys are at it again, trying to make a round ball square. And then comes DH, he could piss off the Pope, now you guys have dangling parts falling from the sky,I agree. This device is a "proof of concept" in it's current state of development, and not
even a production prototype, much less something being offered for sale. I suggest pilots
interested in the concept of an easily added sustainer system tell the developer what
features and price would make it attractive to you.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
guys and gals use the rope, especially when those gas smelling, non reliable motorglider engines fail. Old Bob, The PuristTowplanes have 200' of "dangling parts" [the rope] for Tarzan to swing on, and you fussEric, thanks for the reply about that beautiful, Purist launching , rope dangling, Pawnee tow plane. We really don't have a problem with the rope, it is a beautiful sight to behold as the rope attaches to the glider for launch, even you motorglider
about a small plastic cone on a couple feet of string? Our club was fortunate we only had
a couple close calls with ropes on towplanes, but we did spend many hours bonding,
searching for tow ropes that didn't come back on the end of the towplane 8^) >> --
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 9:54:52 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:ropes hanging from a glider like Tarzan swinging through the jungle, and someone concerned about charging the damn battery. Sure glad to be a purist. Old Bob, The Purist
On 8/9/2022 5:24 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
...
Eric, this is better entertainment than watching, "The View", yes, all the motorglider guys are at it again, trying to make a round ball square. And then comes DH, he could piss off the Pope, now you guys have dangling parts falling from the sky,I agree. This device is a "proof of concept" in it's current state of development, and not
even a production prototype, much less something being offered for sale. I suggest pilots
interested in the concept of an easily added sustainer system tell the developer what
features and price would make it attractive to you.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
guys and gals use the rope, especially when those gas smelling, non reliable motorglider engines fail. Old Bob, The PuristTowplanes have 200' of "dangling parts" [the rope] for Tarzan to swing on, and you fussEric, thanks for the reply about that beautiful, Purist launching , rope dangling, Pawnee tow plane. We really don't have a problem with the rope, it is a beautiful sight to behold as the rope attaches to the glider for launch, even you motorglider
about a small plastic cone on a couple feet of string? Our club was fortunate we only had
a couple close calls with ropes on towplanes, but we did spend many hours bonding,
searching for tow ropes that didn't come back on the end of the towplane 8^)
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
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