Posted for a friend:
Has anyone had success moving the main wheel of a glider using a tug like the AC Air Tech with a "lazy susan"?
https://acairtechnology.com/products/ac-tracktech-t1x3-compact-tug-with-lazy-susan
We want to control the main wheel, not the tailwheel, so that one person can move the glider into and out of a hangar (including a slight slope), and rotate the glider about 45 degrees from straight in.
We tried the Best Tugs R8 tug, but are unable to get it under the main wheel of an Arcus, due largely to the weight of the glider. Also there are clearance issues with the gear doors.
Thanks in advance for any experiences you can share.
I made one.What you really want is a motor permanently mounted inside the main gear hub, but there isn't very much room there and no doubt federal entanglements. This one just replaces the caster on the tail dolly, and it is completely self contained in the caster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6IA11z47D8
That is the very first test (on John's borrowed glider :-)). I've since refined it a bit, adding a wireless throttle so I can steer from either the tail or the wingtip, regenerative braking so you don't loose it going downhill, and some steering stops.
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 11:32:59 AM UTC-7, John Good wrote:
Posted for a friend:
Has anyone had success moving the main wheel of a glider using a tug like the AC Air Tech with a "lazy susan"?
https://acairtechnology.com/products/ac-tracktech-t1x3-compact-tug-with-lazy-susan
We want to control the main wheel, not the tailwheel, so that one person can move the glider into and out of a hangar (including a slight slope), and rotate the glider about 45 degrees from straight in.
We tried the Best Tugs R8 tug, but are unable to get it under the main wheel of an Arcus, due largely to the weight of the glider. Also there are clearance issues with the gear doors.
Thanks in advance for any experiences you can share.
Gotta admit, that is VERY COOL! I would love to do some R&D (Ripoff and Duplicate) and put it into production if you are willing to share the design for royalties.
Gotta admit, that is VERY COOL! I would love to do some R&D (Ripoff and Duplicate) and put it into production if you are willing to share the design for royalties.
There is another tracked tug that is designed for moving travel trailers that is cheaper than the AC Air Technology unit, but it has some differences that might make it unsuitable for use with moving a glider by the main wheel. Specifically, it istaller, with the tracks rather close together. If a turntable was mounted on top to allow full sideways motion, the main wheel would probably be six inches off the floor. Loading the glider would be harder than just running the low-slung AC Air tug under
https://trailervalet.com/shop/trailer-valet-rvr/make the smaller ones unsuitable.
This model can handle a 9,000 lb. trailer, but the limiting factor is that it is designed to only support 900 lbs. (Normal tongue weight on a 9,000 lb. trailer.) They make smaller models, but once again, the ability to support the glider weight may
On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 9:24:44 PM UTC-6, Mark Mocho wrote:taller, with the tracks rather close together. If a turntable was mounted on top to allow full sideways motion, the main wheel would probably be six inches off the floor. Loading the glider would be harder than just running the low-slung AC Air tug under
There is another tracked tug that is designed for moving travel trailers that is cheaper than the AC Air Technology unit, but it has some differences that might make it unsuitable for use with moving a glider by the main wheel. Specifically, it is
make the smaller ones unsuitable.https://trailervalet.com/shop/trailer-valet-rvr/
This model can handle a 9,000 lb. trailer, but the limiting factor is that it is designed to only support 900 lbs. (Normal tongue weight on a 9,000 lb. trailer.) They make smaller models, but once again, the ability to support the glider weight may
Here is a very cost effective (i.e. cheap) motorized trailer mover that looks like it can be adapted to gliders:
https://www.vevor.com/trailer-dolly-c_11310/motorized-trailer-jack-12v-rv-mover-dolly-electric-easy-trailer-moving-to-hitch-p_010614875313?gclid=Cj0KCQjwz7uRBhDRARIsAFqjull-0GkEM3M-_YWSPO3oHGw2LsF9vSGzkvUQgF4OhLQm5dgKovh0voAaAmyLEALw_wcB
Tom
make the smaller ones unsuitable.This model can handle a 9,000 lb. trailer, but the limiting factor is that it is designed to only support 900 lbs. (Normal tongue weight on a 9,000 lb. trailer.) They make smaller models, but once again, the ability to support the glider weight may
Another limiting factor may be its speed. Linked website says "move your trailer at .25 miles per hour." Not exactly suitable for a race to the launch line.Tom
Another limiting factor may be its speed. Linked website says "move your trailer at .25 miles per hour." Not exactly suitable for a race to the launch line.
Another limiting factor may be its speed. Linked website says "move your trailer at .25 miles per hour." Not exactly suitable for a race to the launch line.I suggested it primarily as a possible hangar positioning dolly, not cross-country distance records :-)
may make the smaller ones unsuitable.This model can handle a 9,000 lb. trailer, but the limiting factor is that it is designed to only support 900 lbs. (Normal tongue weight on a 9,000 lb. trailer.) They make smaller models, but once again, the ability to support the glider weight
Another limiting factor may be its speed. Linked website says "move your trailer at .25 miles per hour." Not exactly suitable for a race to the launch line.Tom
On Friday, June 17, 2022 at 1:39:18 PM UTC-6, GliderCZ wrote:may make the smaller ones unsuitable.
This model can handle a 9,000 lb. trailer, but the limiting factor is that it is designed to only support 900 lbs. (Normal tongue weight on a 9,000 lb. trailer.) They make smaller models, but once again, the ability to support the glider weight
the tow bar to lift the tail (it is 144 lb!). Generally, we are not that interested in speed, but in not throwing our back out.That is 22 ft/min. It's meant to move a 5,000 lb trailer. A "race" to the launch line is better done with a vehicle. This is more suited to moving a glider out of a tie-down or hanger. I have to put the tail dolly on my ASH31, which requires the use ofAnother limiting factor may be its speed. Linked website says "move your trailer at .25 miles per hour." Not exactly suitable for a race to the launch line.Tom
On Friday, June 17, 2022 at 10:17:38 PM UTC-6, 2G wrote:weight may make the smaller ones unsuitable.
On Friday, June 17, 2022 at 1:39:18 PM UTC-6, GliderCZ wrote:
This model can handle a 9,000 lb. trailer, but the limiting factor is that it is designed to only support 900 lbs. (Normal tongue weight on a 9,000 lb. trailer.) They make smaller models, but once again, the ability to support the glider
of the tow bar to lift the tail (it is 144 lb!). Generally, we are not that interested in speed, but in not throwing our back out.That is 22 ft/min. It's meant to move a 5,000 lb trailer. A "race" to the launch line is better done with a vehicle. This is more suited to moving a glider out of a tie-down or hanger. I have to put the tail dolly on my ASH31, which requires the useAnother limiting factor may be its speed. Linked website says "move your trailer at .25 miles per hour." Not exactly suitable for a race to the launch line.Tom
Here is a motorized wheel that may replace the wheel in a tail dolly: https://www.amazon.com/Kee-nso-Electric-Bicycles-Scooter/dp/B083M49KRB/ref=asc_df_B083M49KRB/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=432983002691&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13988277496205098986&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9029947&hvtargid=pla-897007533306&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=97915691462&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=432983002691&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13988277496205098986&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9029947&hvtargid=pla-897007533306
Tom
I made one.What you really want is a motor permanently mounted inside the main gear hub, but there isn't very much room there and no doubt federal entanglements. This one just replaces the caster on the tail dolly, and it is completely self contained in the caster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6IA11z47D8
That is the very first test (on John's borrowed glider :-)). I've since refined it a bit, adding a wireless throttle so I can steer from either the tail or the wingtip, regenerative braking so you don't loose it going downhill, and some steering stops.
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 11:32:59 AM UTC-7, John Good wrote:
Posted for a friend:
Has anyone had success moving the main wheel of a glider using a tug like the AC Air Tech with a "lazy susan"?
https://acairtechnology.com/products/ac-tracktech-t1x3-compact-tug-with-lazy-susan
We want to control the main wheel, not the tailwheel, so that one person can move the glider into and out of a hangar (including a slight slope), and rotate the glider about 45 degrees from straight in.
We tried the Best Tugs R8 tug, but are unable to get it under the main wheel of an Arcus, due largely to the weight of the glider. Also there are clearance issues with the gear doors.
Thanks in advance for any experiences you can share.
If someone with the skills could come up with jfitch's powered wheel, and the Easy lift that apparently Cobra had at one time. I've not seen one but found this on Youtubestops. What you really want is a motor permanently mounted inside the main gear hub, but there isn't very much room there and no doubt federal entanglements. This one just replaces the caster on the tail dolly, and it is completely self contained in the
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXuZX6VjpQQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6IA11z47D8
The combination would eliminate the requirement for a separate lifter for heavier tails and would be a really good solution for my needs.
Has anyone ever used the Cobra Easy lift tail dolly and how well did it do?
Bruce
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 6:22:17 PM UTC-7, jfitch wrote:
I made one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6IA11z47D8
That is the very first test (on John's borrowed glider :-)). I've since refined it a bit, adding a wireless throttle so I can steer from either the tail or the wingtip, regenerative braking so you don't loose it going downhill, and some steering
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 11:32:59 AM UTC-7, John Good wrote:
Posted for a friend:
Has anyone had success moving the main wheel of a glider using a tug like the AC Air Tech with a "lazy susan"?
https://acairtechnology.com/products/ac-tracktech-t1x3-compact-tug-with-lazy-susan
We want to control the main wheel, not the tailwheel, so that one person can move the glider into and out of a hangar (including a slight slope), and rotate the glider about 45 degrees from straight in.
We tried the Best Tugs R8 tug, but are unable to get it under the main wheel of an Arcus, due largely to the weight of the glider. Also there are clearance issues with the gear doors.
Thanks in advance for any experiences you can share.
If someone with the skills could come up with jfitch's powered wheel, and the Easy lift that apparently Cobra had at one time. I've not seen one but found this on Youtubestops. What you really want is a motor permanently mounted inside the main gear hub, but there isn't very much room there and no doubt federal entanglements. This one just replaces the caster on the tail dolly, and it is completely self contained in the
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXuZX6VjpQQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6IA11z47D8
The combination would eliminate the requirement for a separate lifter for heavier tails and would be a really good solution for my needs.
Has anyone ever used the Cobra Easy lift tail dolly and how well did it do?
Bruce
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 6:22:17 PM UTC-7, jfitch wrote:
I made one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6IA11z47D8
That is the very first test (on John's borrowed glider :-)). I've since refined it a bit, adding a wireless throttle so I can steer from either the tail or the wingtip, regenerative braking so you don't loose it going downhill, and some steering
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 11:32:59 AM UTC-7, John Good wrote:
Posted for a friend:
Has anyone had success moving the main wheel of a glider using a tug like the AC Air Tech with a "lazy susan"?
https://acairtechnology.com/products/ac-tracktech-t1x3-compact-tug-with-lazy-susan
We want to control the main wheel, not the tailwheel, so that one person can move the glider into and out of a hangar (including a slight slope), and rotate the glider about 45 degrees from straight in.
We tried the Best Tugs R8 tug, but are unable to get it under the main wheel of an Arcus, due largely to the weight of the glider. Also there are clearance issues with the gear doors.
Thanks in advance for any experiences you can share.
My motorized tail dolly does have the EZ lift option, not Cobra's (which is a little agricultural) but my own execution. This works well with or without the motor. For anyone trying this, I've been up at Truckee flying in the regional. The Truckeeglider ramp has notoriously loose gravel, a normal tail dolly wheel can sink in and plow a 3" furrow. My motorized wheel has great difficulty in moving the glider in this soft stuff. Harder gravel or dirt it works better, pavement even better. Keep in
Most bicycle and scooter drives are intended for much faster operation than you need/want (and much less torque than you need), so gearing has to be designed into the adaptation.stops. What you really want is a motor permanently mounted inside the main gear hub, but there isn't very much room there and no doubt federal entanglements. This one just replaces the caster on the tail dolly, and it is completely self contained in the
On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 7:48:59 AM UTC-7, Bruce wrote:
If someone with the skills could come up with jfitch's powered wheel, and the Easy lift that apparently Cobra had at one time. I've not seen one but found this on Youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXuZX6VjpQQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6IA11z47D8
The combination would eliminate the requirement for a separate lifter for heavier tails and would be a really good solution for my needs.
Has anyone ever used the Cobra Easy lift tail dolly and how well did it do?
Bruce
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 6:22:17 PM UTC-7, jfitch wrote:
I made one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6IA11z47D8
That is the very first test (on John's borrowed glider :-)). I've since refined it a bit, adding a wireless throttle so I can steer from either the tail or the wingtip, regenerative braking so you don't loose it going downhill, and some steering
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 11:32:59 AM UTC-7, John Good wrote:
Posted for a friend:
Has anyone had success moving the main wheel of a glider using a tug like the AC Air Tech with a "lazy susan"?
https://acairtechnology.com/products/ac-tracktech-t1x3-compact-tug-with-lazy-susan
We want to control the main wheel, not the tailwheel, so that one person can move the glider into and out of a hangar (including a slight slope), and rotate the glider about 45 degrees from straight in.
We tried the Best Tugs R8 tug, but are unable to get it under the main wheel of an Arcus, due largely to the weight of the glider. Also there are clearance issues with the gear doors.
Thanks in advance for any experiences you can share.
I began working on a ground movement tug for the glider a few years ago. I've gone through a few iterations; the below link shows the latest. The motor is from a mobility scooter with a full differential incorporated (e-bay for ~$100). The electricalsare hacked from a Dewalt brushed drill motor. The battery is a Dewalt 18V Lithium 8 amp hour battery. The battery is removeable from the cart and is charged on a Dewalt charger. The speed control is the trigger switch from the drill. The trigger switch
I like the idea of the hub motor incorporated in the tail dolly. Might have to add that to my "winter project" list.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRZWYgigKbI
Danny Brotto
LS-8/18 "P6"
I began working on a ground movement tug for the glider a few years ago. I've gone through a few iterations; the below link shows the latest. The motor is from a mobility scooter with a full differential incorporated (e-bay for ~$100). The electricalsare hacked from a Dewalt brushed drill motor. The battery is a Dewalt 18V Lithium 8 amp hour battery. The battery is removeable from the cart and is charged on a Dewalt charger. The speed control is the trigger switch from the drill. The trigger switch
I like the idea of the hub motor incorporated in the tail dolly. Might have to add that to my "winter project" list.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRZWYgigKbI
Danny Brotto
LS-8/18 "P6"
Wow! That's pretty neat. But a comment...electricals are hacked from a Dewalt brushed drill motor. The battery is a Dewalt 18V Lithium 8 amp hour battery. The battery is removeable from the cart and is charged on a Dewalt charger. The speed control is the trigger switch from the drill. The
I used to fly an LS-6 and I know how flimsy the canopy mechanism is when open. Though I did not see the trees dancing, I'd never move an LS
glider with the canopy open. Just sayin'...
Dan
5J
On 6/26/22 07:48, Danny Brotto wrote:
I began working on a ground movement tug for the glider a few years ago. I've gone through a few iterations; the below link shows the latest. The motor is from a mobility scooter with a full differential incorporated (e-bay for ~$100). The
I like the idea of the hub motor incorporated in the tail dolly. Might have to add that to my "winter project" list.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRZWYgigKbI
Danny Brotto
LS-8/18 "P6"
Posted for a friend:
Has anyone had success moving the main wheel of a glider using a tug like the AC Air Tech with a "lazy susan"?
https://acairtechnology.com/products/ac-tracktech-t1x3-compact-tug-with-lazy-susan
We want to control the main wheel, not the tailwheel, so that one person can move the glider into and out of a hangar (including a slight slope), and rotate the glider about 45 degrees from straight in.
We tried the Best Tugs R8 tug, but are unable to get it under the main wheel of an Arcus, due largely to the weight of the glider. Also there are clearance issues with the gear doors.
Thanks in advance for any experiences you can share.
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 1:32:59 PM UTC-5, John Good wrote:I bought one advertised as suitable for gliders. Unfortunately, the castering wheels are too small to allow the glider to roll over some of the larger defects in the hangar floor or over the door threshold without causing the dolly to stop rotating
Posted for a friend:
Has anyone had success moving the main wheel of a glider using a tug like the AC Air Tech with a "lazy susan"?
https://acairtechnology.com/products/ac-tracktech-t1x3-compact-tug-with-lazy-susan
We want to control the main wheel, not the tailwheel, so that one person can move the glider into and out of a hangar (including a slight slope), and rotate the glider about 45 degrees from straight in.
We tried the Best Tugs R8 tug, but are unable to get it under the main wheel of an Arcus, due largely to the weight of the glider. Also there are clearance issues with the gear doors.
Thanks in advance for any experiences you can share.
I am also looking for a dolly that will allow me to roll the glider sideways partially into the hangar, and then rotate it 30-45 degrees, and slide it sideways again. Based on having good luck using inexpensive wheel dollies on the four wheels of cars,
A friend used to have a round steel plate with heavy-duty casters.
IIRC, he had a ramp to roll his DG-500m-22 on to the dolly. He cut a
section out of his hangar door track and installed blind nuts into the concrete floor to replace the track after the glider was inside. Worked pretty well.
Have you seen those mini-tank treaded devices? Something like this:
https://homedepot.com/p/Trailer-Valet-3500-lbs-Remote-Control-Mover-TVRVR3/305093551
Dan
5J
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