• Am I Dreaming???? (U.S. Standard Class Nationals)

    From Chip Bearden@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 10 20:26:19 2022
    When I flew my first "glass" regional contest, one of the gliders in contention was the Standard Cirrus. That was 1971 and the country's premier pilot in that aircraft was George Moffat.

    It's not a dream. This evening, a 50-year-old Standard Cirrus is once again leading the U.S. Standard Class Nationals--after winning the day--flown by the country's premier pilot in that aircraft: Tony Condon. Amazing stuff! Check out the SSA site and
    the contest Facebook site.

    https://members.ssa.org/ViewContent.asp?mbr=7749575376&cid=2513&display=results

    https://www.facebook.com/Std20m

    Chip Bearden
    ASW 24 (only 30 years old; almost brand new)

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  • From Glenn Betzoldt@21:1/5 to youngbl...@gmail.com on Sat Jun 11 05:05:08 2022
    On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 7:00:32 AM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 11:26:21 PM UTC-4, chip.b...@gmail.com wrote:
    When I flew my first "glass" regional contest, one of the gliders in contention was the Standard Cirrus. That was 1971 and the country's premier pilot in that aircraft was George Moffat.

    It's not a dream. This evening, a 50-year-old Standard Cirrus is once again leading the U.S. Standard Class Nationals--after winning the day--flown by the country's premier pilot in that aircraft: Tony Condon. Amazing stuff! Check out the SSA site
    and the contest Facebook site.

    https://members.ssa.org/ViewContent.asp?mbr=7749575376&cid=2513&display=results

    https://www.facebook.com/Std20m

    Chip Bearden
    ASW 24 (only 30 years old; almost brand new)
    Good news, the old Std. Cirrus is still going strong. I had many memorable flights in my first glass ship, also a Std. Cirrus, N3LB, that I bought from my late friend Ray Galloway. Old Bob, The Purist
    Standard Cirrus also in the lead in R5S by Greg Shugg

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  • From youngblood8116@gmail.com@21:1/5 to chip.b...@gmail.com on Sat Jun 11 04:00:30 2022
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 11:26:21 PM UTC-4, chip.b...@gmail.com wrote:
    When I flew my first "glass" regional contest, one of the gliders in contention was the Standard Cirrus. That was 1971 and the country's premier pilot in that aircraft was George Moffat.

    It's not a dream. This evening, a 50-year-old Standard Cirrus is once again leading the U.S. Standard Class Nationals--after winning the day--flown by the country's premier pilot in that aircraft: Tony Condon. Amazing stuff! Check out the SSA site and
    the contest Facebook site.

    https://members.ssa.org/ViewContent.asp?mbr=7749575376&cid=2513&display=results

    https://www.facebook.com/Std20m

    Chip Bearden
    ASW 24 (only 30 years old; almost brand new)
    Good news, the old Std. Cirrus is still going strong. I had many memorable flights in my first glass ship, also a Std. Cirrus, N3LB, that I bought from my late friend Ray Galloway. Old Bob, The Purist

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  • From Eric Greenwell@21:1/5 to Chip Bearden on Sat Jun 11 06:03:45 2022
    On 6/10/2022 8:26 PM, Chip Bearden wrote:
    When I flew my first "glass" regional contest, one of the gliders in contention was the Standard Cirrus. That was 1971 and the country's premier pilot in that aircraft was George Moffat.

    It's not a dream. This evening, a 50-year-old Standard Cirrus is once again leading the U.S. Standard Class Nationals--after winning the day--flown by the country's premier pilot in that aircraft: Tony Condon. Amazing stuff! Check out the SSA site and
    the contest Facebook site.

    https://members.ssa.org/ViewContent.asp?mbr=7749575376&cid=2513&display=results

    https://www.facebook.com/Std20m

    Chip Bearden
    ASW 24 (only 30 years old; almost brand new)

    In 1978, I bought my first glass ship, a Std Cirrus. I enjoyed it very much, but there are
    many much better, safer Std Class gliders available now (eg, ASW24), and I would not own a
    Std Cirrus again.

    --
    Eric Greenwell - USA
    - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
    https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications

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  • From Chris Behm@21:1/5 to Eric Greenwell on Sun Jun 12 09:22:13 2022
    On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 6:03:49 AM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On 6/10/2022 8:26 PM, Chip Bearden wrote:
    When I flew my first "glass" regional contest, one of the gliders in contention was the Standard Cirrus. That was 1971 and the country's premier pilot in that aircraft was George Moffat.

    It's not a dream. This evening, a 50-year-old Standard Cirrus is once again leading the U.S. Standard Class Nationals--after winning the day--flown by the country's premier pilot in that aircraft: Tony Condon. Amazing stuff! Check out the SSA site
    and the contest Facebook site.

    https://members.ssa.org/ViewContent.asp?mbr=7749575376&cid=2513&display=results

    https://www.facebook.com/Std20m

    Chip Bearden
    ASW 24 (only 30 years old; almost brand new)
    In 1978, I bought my first glass ship, a Std Cirrus. I enjoyed it very much, but there are
    many much better, safer Std Class gliders available now (eg, ASW24), and I would not own a
    Std Cirrus again.

    --
    Eric Greenwell - USA
    - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications

    Just goes to show, it is the Indian, not the arrow, that matters....

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  • From Craig Reinholt@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 12 11:45:10 2022
    That and an advantageous handicap.

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  • From Eric Greenwell@21:1/5 to Chris Behm on Sun Jun 12 19:57:10 2022
    On 6/12/2022 9:22 AM, Chris Behm wrote:
    On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 6:03:49 AM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On 6/10/2022 8:26 PM, Chip Bearden wrote:
    When I flew my first "glass" regional contest, one of the gliders in contention was the Standard Cirrus. That was 1971 and the country's premier pilot in that aircraft was George Moffat.

    It's not a dream. This evening, a 50-year-old Standard Cirrus is once again leading the U.S. Standard Class Nationals--after winning the day--flown by the country's premier pilot in that aircraft: Tony Condon. Amazing stuff! Check out the SSA site
    and the contest Facebook site.

    https://members.ssa.org/ViewContent.asp?mbr=7749575376&cid=2513&display=results

    https://www.facebook.com/Std20m

    Chip Bearden
    ASW 24 (only 30 years old; almost brand new)
    In 1978, I bought my first glass ship, a Std Cirrus. I enjoyed it very much, but there are
    many much better, safer Std Class gliders available now (eg, ASW24), and I would not own a
    Std Cirrus again.

    --
    Eric Greenwell - USA
    - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
    https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications

    Just goes to show, it is the Indian, not the arrow, that matters....

    You should ask the Indian (Condon in this case) if he chose the Std Cirrus because it was
    the best performing, safest glider for the class. As Craig points out, the arrow's
    handicap is a very important attribute in handicapped classes.

    --
    Eric Greenwell - USA
    - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
    https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications

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  • From Moshe Braner@21:1/5 to Craig Reinholt on Sun Jun 12 23:26:29 2022
    On 6/12/2022 2:45 PM, Craig Reinholt wrote:
    That and an advantageous handicap.


    Handicap shmandricap. Tony's raw speed was faster than all but one in
    the Standard class, and faster than everybody in the 20m class that day!

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  • From stephen.szikora.t3@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Eric Greenwell on Sun Jun 12 20:22:11 2022
    On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 10:57:17 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On 6/12/2022 9:22 AM, Chris Behm wrote:
    On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 6:03:49 AM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On 6/10/2022 8:26 PM, Chip Bearden wrote:
    When I flew my first "glass" regional contest, one of the gliders in contention was the Standard Cirrus. That was 1971 and the country's premier pilot in that aircraft was George Moffat.

    It's not a dream. This evening, a 50-year-old Standard Cirrus is once again leading the U.S. Standard Class Nationals--after winning the day--flown by the country's premier pilot in that aircraft: Tony Condon. Amazing stuff! Check out the SSA site
    and the contest Facebook site.

    https://members.ssa.org/ViewContent.asp?mbr=7749575376&cid=2513&display=results

    https://www.facebook.com/Std20m

    Chip Bearden
    ASW 24 (only 30 years old; almost brand new)
    In 1978, I bought my first glass ship, a Std Cirrus. I enjoyed it very much, but there are
    many much better, safer Std Class gliders available now (eg, ASW24), and I would not own a
    Std Cirrus again.

    --
    Eric Greenwell - USA
    - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
    https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications

    Just goes to show, it is the Indian, not the arrow, that matters....
    You should ask the Indian (Condon in this case) if he chose the Std Cirrus because it was
    the best performing, safest glider for the class. As Craig points out, the arrow's
    handicap is a very important attribute in handicapped classes.
    --
    Eric Greenwell - USA
    - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
    So not the arrows, bur rather how close you stand to the target.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Moshe Braner on Mon Jun 13 07:54:26 2022
    On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 10:26:32 PM UTC-5, Moshe Braner wrote:
    On 6/12/2022 2:45 PM, Craig Reinholt wrote:
    That and an advantageous handicap.

    Handicap shmandricap. Tony's raw speed was faster than all but one in
    the Standard class, and faster than everybody in the 20m class that day!

    Hi, I bought the Cirrus because I could afford it. My primary focus competition wise is Club Class. I'm flying here because my amazing club-mates have chipped in so much to volunteer for the contest that I was able to join in.

    The Handicap Range for the Standard Class only goes up to .95

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  • From Hank Nixon@21:1/5 to Tony on Mon Jun 13 08:18:01 2022
    On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 10:54:28 AM UTC-4, Tony wrote:
    On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 10:26:32 PM UTC-5, Moshe Braner wrote:
    On 6/12/2022 2:45 PM, Craig Reinholt wrote:
    That and an advantageous handicap.

    Handicap shmandricap. Tony's raw speed was faster than all but one in
    the Standard class, and faster than everybody in the 20m class that day!
    Hi, I bought the Cirrus because I could afford it. My primary focus competition wise is Club Class. I'm flying here because my amazing club-mates have chipped in so much to volunteer for the contest that I was able to join in.

    The Handicap Range for the Standard Class only goes up to .95
    Scoring shows a handicap being used of 1.00
    Scorer should revisit this.
    Good flying!
    UH

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  • From Tony Smolder@21:1/5 to Hank Nixon on Mon Jun 13 10:23:57 2022
    On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 10:18:04 AM UTC-5, Hank Nixon wrote:
    On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 10:54:28 AM UTC-4, Tony wrote:
    On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 10:26:32 PM UTC-5, Moshe Braner wrote:
    On 6/12/2022 2:45 PM, Craig Reinholt wrote:
    That and an advantageous handicap.

    Handicap shmandricap. Tony's raw speed was faster than all but one in
    the Standard class, and faster than everybody in the 20m class that day!
    Hi, I bought the Cirrus because I could afford it. My primary focus competition wise is Club Class. I'm flying here because my amazing club-mates have chipped in so much to volunteer for the contest that I was able to join in.

    The Handicap Range for the Standard Class only goes up to .95
    Scoring shows a handicap being used of 1.00
    Scorer should revisit this.
    Good flying!
    UH
    FAI Handicapping is different than SSA handicapping

    A glider FAI handicap is calculated as follows:

    Hcp = Ho/H


    Where:
    Ho = lowest glider handicap of all competitors
    H = the competitors glider handicap

    So the the Std Cirrus: Ho = 0.95, H = 0.95
    So Hcp = 1.0

    For the LS-8: Ho = 0.95, H=0.915
    So Hcp = 1.038

    The handicap formula seems inverted (but FAI handicaps increase as glider performance increases, unlike the SSA Handicaps that decrease) as the scores clearly show that the LS-8 handicap for this contest is 0.963

    Tony

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