I am looking going to be in a location next week which will allow me to do my Gold Distance and Altitude Tasks.plan? I've read the FAI rules document and it says the governing body will be the one to handle this info.
I can draw a triangle in SeeYou XC planner, what else do I need to know? How do I declare the turn points? From my reading on the SSA webpage it should be declared online before you start. Do I submit a task file somewhere online? Just show my OO my
Planning a trip to Moriarty for next week.You don’t need to declare turnpoints for a Gold distance. It is a free distance task. Declare them for the Diamond 300km triangle but if you miss the turnpoints or decide to to in a different direction because of conditions, you can still claim the
Thanks
Wes
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 3:25:31 PM UTC-7, wmi...@gmail.com wrote:plan? I've read the FAI rules document and it says the governing body will be the one to handle this info.
I am looking going to be in a location next week which will allow me to do my Gold Distance and Altitude Tasks.
I can draw a triangle in SeeYou XC planner, what else do I need to know? How do I declare the turn points? From my reading on the SSA webpage it should be declared online before you start. Do I submit a task file somewhere online? Just show my OO my
Gold if you cover 300km straight out, out and return, or a triangle. Talk to your OO for the details re process before you fly. The task file must be downloaded by your OO and verified. He or she will then send it on if it is good along with thePlanning a trip to Moriarty for next week.
ThanksYou don’t need to declare turnpoints for a Gold distance. It is a free distance task. Declare them for the Diamond 300km triangle but if you miss the turnpoints or decide to to in a different direction because of conditions, you can still claim the
Wes
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 3:25:31 PM UTC-7, wmi...@gmail.com wrote:plan? I've read the FAI rules document and it says the governing body will be the one to handle this info.
I am looking going to be in a location next week which will allow me to do my Gold Distance and Altitude Tasks.
I can draw a triangle in SeeYou XC planner, what else do I need to know? How do I declare the turn points? From my reading on the SSA webpage it should be declared online before you start. Do I submit a task file somewhere online? Just show my OO my
Gold if you cover 300km straight out, out and return, or a triangle. Talk to your OO for the details re process before you fly. The task file must be downloaded by your OO and verified. He or she will then send it on if it is good along with thePlanning a trip to Moriarty for next week.
ThanksYou don’t need to declare turnpoints for a Gold distance. It is a free distance task. Declare them for the Diamond 300km triangle but if you miss the turnpoints or decide to to in a different direction because of conditions, you can still claim the
Wes
I have to step in and defend the SSA and Rollin Hasness, the Badge Dude.After emailing him back and forth last year for my Silver and Gold badges I agree Rollin is a good guy. He’s very responsive to badge submissions or questions. He did deny my first attempt at Gold distance last year due not flying to the points I had
He is very helpful and willing to share his expertise.
There is a lot of bad info out there and he has been trying to clarify everything via the website and seminars he gives.
Or, you could always read the Sporting Code.
I too got bit by bad info and had a flight denied. Only once.
Lou
The sticky part here is not so much what version of 300K do you fly. The original poster has the right idea but needs to know how to do the declartion before the flight?declaration or can it be done somewhre on the SSA website? What about flight recorder calibration? Is this required for distance flights or only altitude? If so where can this be done?
It is possible to get Gold and Diamond distance with the same flight! That is what he is trying to acheive.
So can someone outline the process? The SSA instructions are not clear at all. I have heard rumours that all declarations must now be electronic and paper is no longer accepted. Is this true? Does the flight recorder have to be the source of this
Lots to know here!Do you mean Diamond Goal and Gold Distance?
One other thing to note for "FAI" Gold and "FAI" Diamond goal/distance badge attempts is the requirement to use FAI turn cylinders (basically triangles) and 1km start and finish lines.SO, a triangular course is required. Does it count if you fly the same course twice? Two 151km triangles?
Accuracy counts!
Good luck!
- John (OHM)
On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 10:28:37 PM UTC-4, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:
One other thing to note for "FAI" Gold and "FAI" Diamond goal/distance badge attempts is the requirement to use FAI turn cylinders (basically triangles) and 1km start and finish lines.
Accuracy counts!
Good luck!
- John (OHM)SO, a triangular course is required. Does it count if you fly the same course twice? Two 151km triangles?
On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 12:30:32 PM UTC-5, Soartech wrote:Kind of like us Purist did it in the good old days, the picture did not lie! OBTP
On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 10:28:37 PM UTC-4, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:
One other thing to note for "FAI" Gold and "FAI" Diamond goal/distance badge attempts is the requirement to use FAI turn cylinders (basically triangles) and 1km start and finish lines.
Accuracy counts!
Good luck!
Soartech - To be clear when I was speaking about FAI turn "cylinders" being "triangles" it is *NOT* about flying a triangular course.- John (OHM)SO, a triangular course is required. Does it count if you fly the same course twice? Two 151km triangles?
A true cylinder has a fixed radius all the way around the turnpoint. Hit any part of it and you can claim the turnpoint.
But an FAI "triangle" (is there a better word?) at a turnpoint is only on the opposite side of a turnpoint's center from your flight's path. Thus you must fly around the backside of a turnpoint to claim it.
Kind of tough to describe in words. To explain better here is a link to a picture of an FAI turnpoint I made from one of my recent flights.
http://derosaweb.net/aviation/SSA/Badges/FAI_Triangle.JPG
Best of luck, John (OHM)
On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 4:05:09 PM UTC-4, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:
On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 12:30:32 PM UTC-5, Soartech wrote:Kind of like us Purist did it in the good old days, the picture did not lie! OBTP
On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 10:28:37 PM UTC-4, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:Soartech - To be clear when I was speaking about FAI turn "cylinders" being "triangles" it is *NOT* about flying a triangular course.
One other thing to note for "FAI" Gold and "FAI" Diamond goal/distance badge attempts is the requirement to use FAI turn cylinders (basically triangles) and 1km start and finish lines.SO, a triangular course is required. Does it count if you fly the same course twice? Two 151km triangles?
Accuracy counts!
Good luck!
- John (OHM)
A true cylinder has a fixed radius all the way around the turnpoint. Hit any part of it and you can claim the turnpoint.
But an FAI "triangle" (is there a better word?) at a turnpoint is only on the opposite side of a turnpoint's center from your flight's path. Thus you must fly around the backside of a turnpoint to claim it.
Kind of tough to describe in words. To explain better here is a link to a picture of an FAI turnpoint I made from one of my recent flights.
http://derosaweb.net/aviation/SSA/Badges/FAI_Triangle.JPG
Best of luck, John (OHM)
Download and read section 3 of the sporting code: https://www.fai.org/sites/default/files/sc3_2021.pdfMuch better to declare sectors than cylinders...
5Z
On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 10:16:37 PM UTC-4, 5Z wrote:
Download and read section 3 of the sporting code: https://www.fai.org/sites/default/files/sc3_2021.pdf
5ZMuch better to declare sectors than cylinders...
OK so it is better to create sectors instead of cylinders. Thank you all for pointing that out.you can
Now the 2nd part of my question is "Can I fly the same course twice to count as acheiving the 300K? (Assuming two 151km triangles.)
Because of terrain and variable weather in my area this would be better for me.
Thank you.
OK so it is better to create sectors instead of cylinders. Thank you all
for pointing that out.
Now the 2nd part of my question is "Can I fly the same course twice to
count as acheiving the 300K? (Assuming two 151km triangles.)
Because of terrain and variable weather in my area this would be better
for me.
Thank you.
On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 11:37:05 -0700 (PDT), Soartech wrote:
OK so it is better to create sectors instead of cylinders. Thank you all
for pointing that out.
Now the 2nd part of my question is "Can I fly the same course twice to
count as acheiving the 300K? (Assuming two 151km triangles.)
Because of terrain and variable weather in my area this would be better
for me.
Thank you.
I would have said 'don't ask here, go look at the Gliding section of the FAI's website, but unfortunately its completely fucked up as of 15Aug22.
If you want to see stuff about current championships and other publicity,
its fine, but if you what to read rules and regulations for badge and
record claims, or the sporting code FORGET IT.
It seems that that this idiocy is coming from the top level of the FAI and their so-called 'internet interface experts'. I'm also a model flyer:
links I've saved that used to point to the International Gliding
Commission and the CIAM (the equivalent FAI section for aeromodelling) no longer work and nor do the links I've previously saved for both sport- specific sections of the FAI.
IOW, some brainless plonker at the FAI has utterly failed to realise that:
- almost all aero sport participants save links to the FAI sections
relevant to their sport rather than the FAI top-level URL and, because
they have little interest in other aero-sports, any changes to these
internal FAI URLs is as big a fuckup as changing "fai.org" itself would
be.
- However, not only have these fuckwits invalidated all links to
FAI sporting commissions, they've also screwed up the FAI top level
page: references on it to the IGC and CIAM only point to bloody
publicity shit for current events and have no links to rules and
regulations.
Wake up, people: active aero sport participants currently don't have
access to the the rules and regulations published by the commissions that oversee their sport and that is not currently (15August2022) acessible, thanks to the state you've lest your website in.
Right now your website does not work with either the Brave or the FireFox browsers.
So, get your arses into gear and bloody well FIX YOUR WEBSITE.
I tries to report , but even the CAPTCHA that must be completed to report problems doesn't work.
On 15/08/2022 00:59, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 11:37:05 -0700 (PDT), Soartech wrote:
OK so it is better to create sectors instead of cylinders. Thank you all >> for pointing that out.
Now the 2nd part of my question is "Can I fly the same course twice to
count as acheiving the 300K? (Assuming two 151km triangles.)
Because of terrain and variable weather in my area this would be better >> for me.
Thank you.
I would have said 'don't ask here, go look at the Gliding section of the FAI's website, but unfortunately its completely fucked up as of 15Aug22. If you want to see stuff about current championships and other publicity, its fine, but if you what to read rules and regulations for badge and record claims, or the sporting code FORGET IT.
It seems that that this idiocy is coming from the top level of the FAI and their so-called 'internet interface experts'. I'm also a model flyer: links I've saved that used to point to the International Gliding Commission and the CIAM (the equivalent FAI section for aeromodelling) no longer work and nor do the links I've previously saved for both sport- specific sections of the FAI.
IOW, some brainless plonker at the FAI has utterly failed to realise that: - almost all aero sport participants save links to the FAI sections relevant to their sport rather than the FAI top-level URL and, because they have little interest in other aero-sports, any changes to these internal FAI URLs is as big a fuckup as changing "fai.org" itself would be.
- However, not only have these fuckwits invalidated all links to
FAI sporting commissions, they've also screwed up the FAI top level
page: references on it to the IGC and CIAM only point to bloody
publicity shit for current events and have no links to rules and regulations.
Wake up, people: active aero sport participants currently don't have access to the the rules and regulations published by the commissions that oversee their sport and that is not currently (15August2022) acessible, thanks to the state you've lest your website in.
Right now your website does not work with either the Brave or the FireFox browsers.
So, get your arses into gear and bloody well FIX YOUR WEBSITE.
I tries to report , but even the CAPTCHA that must be completed to report problems doesn't work.
Martin,The problem with any published guide is that rules are tinkered with just about every year, so there's no substitute for going to the source. Many of us have had to do flights more than once because of missing a change, in my case that baro s/n became
I have just tried the IGC Documents section (which contains SC3B etc.)
and I can reach it fine. The link is https://www.fai.org/igc-documents.
Even if that fails, there are copies of SC3B and SC3C at: http://www.ukiws.uk/GFAC/index.htm
Habetis bona deum.
On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 11:37:05 -0700 (PDT), Soartech wrote:
OK so it is better to create sectors instead of cylinders. Thank you
all for pointing that out.
Now the 2nd part of my question is "Can I fly the same course twice to
count as acheiving the 300K? (Assuming two 151km triangles.)
Because of terrain and variable weather in my area this would be better
for me.
Thank you.
I would have said 'don't ask here, go look at the Gliding section of the FAI's website, but unfortunately its completely fucked up as of 15Aug22.
If you want to see stuff about current championships and other
publicity, its fine, but if you what to read rules and regulations for
badge and record claims, or the sporting code FORGET IT.
It seems that that this idiocy is coming from the top level of the FAI
and their so-called 'internet interface experts'. I'm also a model
flyer: links I've saved that used to point to the International Gliding Commission and the CIAM (the equivalent FAI section for aeromodelling)
no longer work and nor do the links I've previously saved for both
sport- specific sections of the FAI.
IOW, some brainless plonker at the FAI has utterly failed to realise
that:
- almost all aero sport participants save links to the FAI sections
relevant to their sport rather than the FAI top-level URL and, because
they have little interest in other aero-sports, any changes to these
internal FAI URLs is as big a fuckup as changing "fai.org" itself
would be.
- However, not only have these fuckwits invalidated all links to
FAI sporting commissions, they've also screwed up the FAI top level
page: references on it to the IGC and CIAM only point to bloody
publicity shit for current events and have no links to rules and
regulations.
Wake up, people: active aero sport participants currently don't have
access to the the rules and regulations published by the commissions
that oversee their sport and that is not currently (15August2022)
acessible, thanks to the state you've lest your website in.
Right now your website does not work with either the Brave or the
FireFox browsers.
So, get your arses into gear and bloody well FIX YOUR WEBSITE.
I tries to report , but even the CAPTCHA that must be completed to
report problems doesn't work.
On 15/08/2022 00:59, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 11:37:05 -0700 (PDT), Soartech wrote:Martin,
OK so it is better to create sectors instead of cylinders. Thank you
all for pointing that out.
Now the 2nd part of my question is "Can I fly the same course twice to
count as acheiving the 300K? (Assuming two 151km triangles.)
Because of terrain and variable weather in my area this would be
better for me.
Thank you.
I would have said 'don't ask here, go look at the Gliding section of
the FAI's website, but unfortunately its completely fucked up as of
15Aug22. If you want to see stuff about current championships and other
publicity, its fine, but if you what to read rules and regulations for
badge and record claims, or the sporting code FORGET IT.
It seems that that this idiocy is coming from the top level of the FAI
and their so-called 'internet interface experts'. I'm also a model
flyer: links I've saved that used to point to the International Gliding
Commission and the CIAM (the equivalent FAI section for aeromodelling)
no longer work and nor do the links I've previously saved for both
sport- specific sections of the FAI.
IOW, some brainless plonker at the FAI has utterly failed to realise
that:
- almost all aero sport participants save links to the FAI sections
relevant to their sport rather than the FAI top-level URL and,
because they have little interest in other aero-sports, any changes
to these internal FAI URLs is as big a fuckup as changing "fai.org"
itself would be.
- However, not only have these fuckwits invalidated all links to
FAI sporting commissions, they've also screwed up the FAI top level
page: references on it to the IGC and CIAM only point to bloody
publicity shit for current events and have no links to rules and
regulations.
Wake up, people: active aero sport participants currently don't have
access to the the rules and regulations published by the commissions
that oversee their sport and that is not currently (15August2022)
acessible, thanks to the state you've lest your website in.
Right now your website does not work with either the Brave or the
FireFox browsers.
So, get your arses into gear and bloody well FIX YOUR WEBSITE.
I tries to report , but even the CAPTCHA that must be completed to
report problems doesn't work.
I have just tried the IGC Documents section (which contains SC3B etc.)
and I can reach it fine. The link is https://www.fai.org/igc-documents.
Even if that fails, there are copies of SC3B and SC3C at: http://www.ukiws.uk/GFAC/index.htm
Habetis bona deum. :-)
I've found that just now, thanks and also discovered that that URL:
https://www.fai.org/XXX-documents
is generic: just replace XXX with the initials of the sporting
commission,
so https://www.fai.org/igc-documents gets you the gliding (IGC) docs and
On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 11:37:05 -0700 (PDT), Soartech wrote:
OK so it is better to create sectors instead of cylinders. Thank you all
for pointing that out.
Now the 2nd part of my question is "Can I fly the same course twice to
count as acheiving the 300K? (Assuming two 151km triangles.)
Because of terrain and variable weather in my area this would be better
for me.
Thank you.
I would have said 'don't ask here, go look at the Gliding section of the FAI's website, but unfortunately its completely fucked up as of 15Aug22.
If you want to see stuff about current championships and other publicity,
its fine, but if you what to read rules and regulations for badge and
record claims, or the sporting code FORGET IT.
It seems that that this idiocy is coming from the top level of the FAI and their so-called 'internet interface experts'. I'm also a model flyer:
links I've saved that used to point to the International Gliding
Commission and the CIAM (the equivalent FAI section for aeromodelling) no longer work and nor do the links I've previously saved for both sport- specific sections of the FAI.
IOW, some brainless plonker at the FAI has utterly failed to realise that:
- almost all aero sport participants save links to the FAI sections
relevant to their sport rather than the FAI top-level URL and, because
they have little interest in other aero-sports, any changes to these
internal FAI URLs is as big a fuckup as changing "fai.org" itself would
be.
- However, not only have these fuckwits invalidated all links to
FAI sporting commissions, they've also screwed up the FAI top level
page: references on it to the IGC and CIAM only point to bloody
publicity shit for current events and have no links to rules and
regulations.
Wake up, people: active aero sport participants currently don't have
access to the the rules and regulations published by the commissions that oversee their sport and that is not currently (15August2022) acessible, thanks to the state you've lest your website in.
Right now your website does not work with either the Brave or the FireFox browsers.
So, get your arses into gear and bloody well FIX YOUR WEBSITE.
I tries to report , but even the CAPTCHA that must be completed to report problems doesn't work.
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