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  • Re: So, you want to fly an electric glider?

    From 2G@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 29 19:46:06 2022
    On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 7:37:19 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
    This EV bus caught fire in seconds and was completely consumed in short order:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r-yN8SugWM
    And this was the SECOND electric bus fire in less than a MONTH! So, forget about dismissing it as a "low probability" event.
    https://insideevs.com/news/583324/paris-suspends-149-bollore-electric-buses-after-two-fires/

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  • From 2G@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 29 19:37:17 2022
    This EV bus caught fire in seconds and was completely consumed in short order: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r-yN8SugWM

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  • From Mark Mocho@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 29 20:30:43 2022
    Well, thank God it was a "Zero Emissions" vehicle. That huge column of smoke was just Unicorn breath and is probably GOOD for you. And will save the planet.

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  • From kinsell@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 30 07:15:32 2022
    On 5/29/22 20:46, 2G wrote:
    On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 7:37:19 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
    This EV bus caught fire in seconds and was completely consumed in short order:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r-yN8SugWM
    And this was the SECOND electric bus fire in less than a MONTH! So, forget about dismissing it as a "low probability" event.
    https://insideevs.com/news/583324/paris-suspends-149-bollore-electric-buses-after-two-fires/


    One bus at a time is nothing. Those crafty Germans are managing to do
    25 at a time.

    https://www.expaturm.com/german-lifestyle/electric-buses-fire-danger/#3-electric-buses-numerous-fire-incidents-in-germany

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  • From India November@21:1/5 to kinsell on Mon May 30 09:55:27 2022
    On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 9:15:37 AM UTC-4, kinsell wrote:
    On 5/29/22 20:46, 2G wrote:
    On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 7:37:19 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
    This EV bus caught fire in seconds and was completely consumed in short order:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r-yN8SugWM
    And this was the SECOND electric bus fire in less than a MONTH! So, forget about dismissing it as a "low probability" event.
    https://insideevs.com/news/583324/paris-suspends-149-bollore-electric-buses-after-two-fires/
    One bus at a time is nothing. Those crafty Germans are managing to do
    25 at a time.

    https://www.expaturm.com/german-lifestyle/electric-buses-fire-danger/#3-electric-buses-numerous-fire-incidents-in-germany

    The US NFPA reports that an estimated 212,500 vehicle fires caused 560 civilian deaths 1,500 civilian injuries; and $1.9 billion in direct property damage in the US during 2018. Yet we're still using gasoline-powered airplanes.

    https://www.nfpa.org/-/media/Files/News-and-Research/Fire-statistics-and-reports/US-Fire-Problem/osvehiclefires.pdf

    Ian IN

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  • From kinsell@21:1/5 to India November on Mon May 30 12:08:53 2022
    On 5/30/22 10:55, India November wrote:
    On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 9:15:37 AM UTC-4, kinsell wrote:
    On 5/29/22 20:46, 2G wrote:
    On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 7:37:19 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
    This EV bus caught fire in seconds and was completely consumed in short order:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r-yN8SugWM
    And this was the SECOND electric bus fire in less than a MONTH! So, forget about dismissing it as a "low probability" event.
    https://insideevs.com/news/583324/paris-suspends-149-bollore-electric-buses-after-two-fires/
    One bus at a time is nothing. Those crafty Germans are managing to do
    25 at a time.

    https://www.expaturm.com/german-lifestyle/electric-buses-fire-danger/#3-electric-buses-numerous-fire-incidents-in-germany

    The US NFPA reports that an estimated 212,500 vehicle fires caused 560 civilian deaths 1,500 civilian injuries; and $1.9 billion in direct property damage in the US during 2018. Yet we're still using gasoline-powered airplanes.

    https://www.nfpa.org/-/media/Files/News-and-Research/Fire-statistics-and-reports/US-Fire-Problem/osvehiclefires.pdf

    Ian IN


    "Collisions were the leading cause of vehicle fires that resulted in
    death." Yeah no kidding.

    If you've got a collision serious enough to rupture the gas tank, it's a
    little hard to separate out whether the accident would have been
    survivable without the fire. But we'll just make it sound like gasoline
    was the root cause of the fatality, right? How about being honest and
    saying the collision was the cause?

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  • From 2G@21:1/5 to kinsell on Tue May 31 08:39:30 2022
    On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 11:08:59 AM UTC-7, kinsell wrote:
    On 5/30/22 10:55, India November wrote:
    On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 9:15:37 AM UTC-4, kinsell wrote:
    On 5/29/22 20:46, 2G wrote:
    On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 7:37:19 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
    This EV bus caught fire in seconds and was completely consumed in short order:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r-yN8SugWM
    And this was the SECOND electric bus fire in less than a MONTH! So, forget about dismissing it as a "low probability" event.
    https://insideevs.com/news/583324/paris-suspends-149-bollore-electric-buses-after-two-fires/
    One bus at a time is nothing. Those crafty Germans are managing to do
    25 at a time.

    https://www.expaturm.com/german-lifestyle/electric-buses-fire-danger/#3-electric-buses-numerous-fire-incidents-in-germany

    This is the EV parking lot inferno scenario that I posited in another thread. Welcome to the wonderful new world of "green" energy!


    The US NFPA reports that an estimated 212,500 vehicle fires caused 560 civilian deaths 1,500 civilian injuries; and $1.9 billion in direct property damage in the US during 2018. Yet we're still using gasoline-powered airplanes.

    https://www.nfpa.org/-/media/Files/News-and-Research/Fire-statistics-and-reports/US-Fire-Problem/osvehiclefires.pdf

    Ian IN
    "Collisions were the leading cause of vehicle fires that resulted in
    death." Yeah no kidding.

    If you've got a collision serious enough to rupture the gas tank, it's a little hard to separate out whether the accident would have been
    survivable without the fire. But we'll just make it sound like gasoline
    was the root cause of the fatality, right? How about being honest and
    saying the collision was the cause?

    A collision can also crush a battery pack, which will trigger a thermal runaway.

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  • From kinsell@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 1 10:11:54 2022
    On 5/31/22 09:39, 2G wrote:
    On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 11:08:59 AM UTC-7, kinsell wrote:
    On 5/30/22 10:55, India November wrote:
    On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 9:15:37 AM UTC-4, kinsell wrote:
    On 5/29/22 20:46, 2G wrote:
    On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 7:37:19 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
    This EV bus caught fire in seconds and was completely consumed in short order:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r-yN8SugWM
    And this was the SECOND electric bus fire in less than a MONTH! So, forget about dismissing it as a "low probability" event.
    https://insideevs.com/news/583324/paris-suspends-149-bollore-electric-buses-after-two-fires/
    One bus at a time is nothing. Those crafty Germans are managing to do
    25 at a time.

    https://www.expaturm.com/german-lifestyle/electric-buses-fire-danger/#3-electric-buses-numerous-fire-incidents-in-germany

    This is the EV parking lot inferno scenario that I posited in another thread. Welcome to the wonderful new world of "green" energy!


    The US NFPA reports that an estimated 212,500 vehicle fires caused 560 civilian deaths 1,500 civilian injuries; and $1.9 billion in direct property damage in the US during 2018. Yet we're still using gasoline-powered airplanes.

    https://www.nfpa.org/-/media/Files/News-and-Research/Fire-statistics-and-reports/US-Fire-Problem/osvehiclefires.pdf

    Ian IN
    "Collisions were the leading cause of vehicle fires that resulted in
    death." Yeah no kidding.

    If you've got a collision serious enough to rupture the gas tank, it's a
    little hard to separate out whether the accident would have been
    survivable without the fire. But we'll just make it sound like gasoline
    was the root cause of the fatality, right? How about being honest and
    saying the collision was the cause?

    A collision can also crush a battery pack, which will trigger a thermal runaway.

    It frequently does, but anytime you store large amounts of energy in an environment subject to catastrophic physical damage, you can get that
    sort of reaction.

    What makes me nervous about electric gliders is they can also catch fire
    while being charged, while being discharged, and even when just being
    stored. We all know gasoline is dangerous, but it's more predictable.

    -Dave

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  • From 2G@21:1/5 to kinsell on Wed Jun 1 20:36:35 2022
    On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 9:12:00 AM UTC-7, kinsell wrote:
    On 5/31/22 09:39, 2G wrote:
    On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 11:08:59 AM UTC-7, kinsell wrote:
    On 5/30/22 10:55, India November wrote:
    On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 9:15:37 AM UTC-4, kinsell wrote:
    On 5/29/22 20:46, 2G wrote:
    On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 7:37:19 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
    This EV bus caught fire in seconds and was completely consumed in short order:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r-yN8SugWM
    And this was the SECOND electric bus fire in less than a MONTH! So, forget about dismissing it as a "low probability" event.
    https://insideevs.com/news/583324/paris-suspends-149-bollore-electric-buses-after-two-fires/
    One bus at a time is nothing. Those crafty Germans are managing to do >>>> 25 at a time.

    https://www.expaturm.com/german-lifestyle/electric-buses-fire-danger/#3-electric-buses-numerous-fire-incidents-in-germany

    This is the EV parking lot inferno scenario that I posited in another thread. Welcome to the wonderful new world of "green" energy!


    The US NFPA reports that an estimated 212,500 vehicle fires caused 560 civilian deaths 1,500 civilian injuries; and $1.9 billion in direct property damage in the US during 2018. Yet we're still using gasoline-powered airplanes.

    https://www.nfpa.org/-/media/Files/News-and-Research/Fire-statistics-and-reports/US-Fire-Problem/osvehiclefires.pdf

    Ian IN
    "Collisions were the leading cause of vehicle fires that resulted in
    death." Yeah no kidding.

    If you've got a collision serious enough to rupture the gas tank, it's a >> little hard to separate out whether the accident would have been
    survivable without the fire. But we'll just make it sound like gasoline >> was the root cause of the fatality, right? How about being honest and
    saying the collision was the cause?

    A collision can also crush a battery pack, which will trigger a thermal runaway.
    It frequently does, but anytime you store large amounts of energy in an environment subject to catastrophic physical damage, you can get that
    sort of reaction.

    What makes me nervous about electric gliders is they can also catch fire while being charged, while being discharged, and even when just being stored. We all know gasoline is dangerous, but it's more predictable.

    -Dave

    Gasoline does not suffer from thermal runaway and never will. The failure mechanisms of lithium batteries are well understood by scientists involved in their development, but are completely whitewashed by those marketing them to an unsuspecting public. I
    have shown, at Eric's request, how EASA is dealing with the battery issue: completely washing their hands of the dangers.

    Tom

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