Not going to make an excuse for this guy, there is no excuse for a mass shooting but it is quite apparent he was bullied in school and had no direction at home. Bullies are ubiquitous, I've encountered them in the corporate and work a day world. Theyare usually cowards trying to elevate themselves in their own eyes and impacting others negatively, they get off on that. It is when you give in to the bully at any level that society loses. Interdict the bully at the earliest level.
Walt Connelly
Former Tow PIlot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 6:10:16 AM UTC-7, waltco...@aol.com wrote:are usually cowards trying to elevate themselves in their own eyes and impacting others negatively, they get off on that. It is when you give in to the bully at any level that society loses. Interdict the bully at the earliest level.
Not going to make an excuse for this guy, there is no excuse for a mass shooting but it is quite apparent he was bullied in school and had no direction at home. Bullies are ubiquitous, I've encountered them in the corporate and work a day world. They
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Former Tow PIlot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
Yes, we are a gun culture and our Constitution gives us a right to keep and bear arms. There are those who would like to see this right terminated permanently but with the proliferation of violent crimes being committed with no significant punishmentmetered out by the courts, just a slap on the wrist it is becoming more evident that you will be responsible for your own protection. The Supreme Court has even said that the police are not obligated to protect you.
Right now I don't need an assault rifle, I don't need a high capacity magazine but in the event that something happens where I would need such a device I would want one. Right now I don't need a fire extinguisher but if I have a fire I would like tohave one available. I have actually had a house fire, was in a hotel for 9 months and 3 weeks recently courtesy of State Farm while my house was being repaired. I had a fire extinguisher which was inadequate for the size of the fire. I am now back in
These shootings can almost always have the Swiss cheese model applied. Somewhere the ball is dropped, somewhere someone, something gets thru the holes. Stop the bullying, identify those who are bullied and can't or won't fight back on the spot andhelp them,. Lock the damn school door, don't prop it open, have a school resource officer ON THE SPOT, not out galavanting around. Arm those teachers who wish to be armed and are willing to be properly trained. If one of the teachers who was killed
Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
Fire extinguisher? My house is equipped with a sprinkler system andmetered out by the courts, just a slap on the wrist it is becoming more evident that you will be responsible for your own protection. The Supreme Court has even said that the police are not obligated to protect you.
I'm happy to say that it's never been required, yet...
I guess I should hire a mercenary army for my personal protection since
the police won't do it.
Dan
5J
On 5/29/22 07:06, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
Yes, we are a gun culture and our Constitution gives us a right to keep and bear arms. There are those who would like to see this right terminated permanently but with the proliferation of violent crimes being committed with no significant punishment
have one available. I have actually had a house fire, was in a hotel for 9 months and 3 weeks recently courtesy of State Farm while my house was being repaired. I had a fire extinguisher which was inadequate for the size of the fire. I am now back in myRight now I don't need an assault rifle, I don't need a high capacity magazine but in the event that something happens where I would need such a device I would want one. Right now I don't need a fire extinguisher but if I have a fire I would like to
help them,. Lock the damn school door, don't prop it open, have a school resource officer ON THE SPOT, not out galavanting around. Arm those teachers who wish to be armed and are willing to be properly trained. If one of the teachers who was killed hadThese shootings can almost always have the Swiss cheese model applied. Somewhere the ball is dropped, somewhere someone, something gets thru the holes. Stop the bullying, identify those who are bullied and can't or won't fight back on the spot and
Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
Fire extinguisher? My house is equipped with a sprinkler system and
I'm happy to say that it's never been required, yet...
I guess I should hire a mercenary army for my personal protection since
the police won't do it.
Dan
5J
Yes, thankfully our Constitution gives us a right to keep and bear arms, but there are those who're unable to distinguish between limits and termination. Massacres like this will continue to increase with the continued exponential proliferation ofsmall arms. On the bright side Daniel Defense published a pop-up statement on its homepage sending “thoughts and prayers” to the community of Uvalde.
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 11:06:07 AM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
Fire extinguisher? My house is equipped with a sprinkler system and
I'm happy to say that it's never been required, yet...
I guess I should hire a mercenary army for my personal protection since
the police won't do it.
Dan
5J
Police can watch someone attack you, refuse to intervene and not violate the Constitution.
The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the government has only a duty to protect persons who are “in custody."
Hope you are getting a break on your fire insurance with that sprinkler system.
Walt Connelly
Former Tow pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 9:43:06 PM UTC-7, Tom Desjardins wrote:small arms. On the bright side Daniel Defense published a pop-up statement on its homepage sending “thoughts and prayers” to the community of Uvalde.
Yes, thankfully our Constitution gives us a right to keep and bear arms, but there are those who're unable to distinguish between limits and termination. Massacres like this will continue to increase with the continued exponential proliferation of
Here is the text of the second amendment:Sherman tanks, 50 caliber machine guns that were once installed in warbirds, and lots of other weapons of war. Nobody needs an assault weapon for anything other than killing many people.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
All the guns in circulation are not part of a well regulated militia. They are in the hands of some sensible gun owners and a lot of random unregulated individuals, one of whom goes crazy every few months. We regulate that people can not own operable
Just like we tax the heck out of tobacco to help defray the costs to society that the tobacco inflicts; we should tax the heck out of guns and ammunition. Some of the money would compensate victims and families. And the gun manufacturers should berequired to add technology to guns just like we do to cars to make them safer. Both these ideas would be more effective than yet more thoughts and prayers, which clearly do nothing at all.
Probably getting a break on insurance, but it's still expensive given
that I live in forested mountains in New Mexico, where the feds intentionally started the largest wild fire in the country (prescribed burn).
Dan
5J
On 5/29/22 14:38, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 11:06:07 AM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
Fire extinguisher? My house is equipped with a sprinkler system and
I'm happy to say that it's never been required, yet...
I guess I should hire a mercenary army for my personal protection since >> the police won't do it.
Dan
5J
Police can watch someone attack you, refuse to intervene and not violate the Constitution.
The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the government has only a duty to protect persons who are “in custody."
Hope you are getting a break on your fire insurance with that sprinkler system.
Walt Connelly
Former Tow pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 11:53:13 AM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:having someone changing the sheets and cleaning the bathroom. I now have an essentially new house inside.
Probably getting a break on insurance, but it's still expensive given
that I live in forested mountains in New Mexico, where the feds intentionally started the largest wild fire in the country (prescribed burn).
Dan
5J
On 5/29/22 14:38, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 11:06:07 AM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
Fire extinguisher? My house is equipped with a sprinkler system and
I'm happy to say that it's never been required, yet...
I guess I should hire a mercenary army for my personal protection since >> the police won't do it.
Dan
5J
Police can watch someone attack you, refuse to intervene and not violate the Constitution.
The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the government has only a duty to protect persons who are “in custody."
Hope you are getting a break on your fire insurance with that sprinkler system.
Look at your insurance policy and make sure you have more than adequate "Alternative Living Expenses." I was in a hotel for almost 10 months recently while repairs were being made to my house. Supply chain problems, worker shortages, it was nice though,Walt Connelly
Former Tow pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
Walt ConnellyFortunately I live in Europe. No guns, no school massacres.
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 7:43:02 AM UTC-5, waltco...@aol.com wrote:small arms. On the bright side Daniel Defense published a pop-up statement on its homepage sending “thoughts and prayers” to the community of Uvalde.
On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 7:43:36 AM UTC-4, pvansch...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 9:43:06 PM UTC-7, Tom Desjardins wrote:
Yes, thankfully our Constitution gives us a right to keep and bear arms, but there are those who're unable to distinguish between limits and termination. Massacres like this will continue to increase with the continued exponential proliferation of
Sherman tanks, 50 caliber machine guns that were once installed in warbirds, and lots of other weapons of war. Nobody needs an assault weapon for anything other than killing many people.Here is the text of the second amendment:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
All the guns in circulation are not part of a well regulated militia. They are in the hands of some sensible gun owners and a lot of random unregulated individuals, one of whom goes crazy every few months. We regulate that people can not own operable
required to add technology to guns just like we do to cars to make them safer. Both these ideas would be more effective than yet more thoughts and prayers, which clearly do nothing at all.
Just like we tax the heck out of tobacco to help defray the costs to society that the tobacco inflicts; we should tax the heck out of guns and ammunition. Some of the money would compensate victims and families. And the gun manufacturers should be
yada. This would seem to restrict ownership for females which would cause a riot these days. Bottom line is you can't muster a militia unless the citizenry is armed. Your comments about taxing and requiring technology are quite telling. BTW, when the 2ndAh Kimo Sabe, you speak like a Democrat. When asked "who sir are the Militia?" George Mason answered, "All of the people." Subsequent descriptions were "all able bodied men over 17 years of age, citizens or those wishing to be citizens," yada yada
semantics aside it is a semi automatic rifle, mechanically not unlike many other rifles these days. Considering the goings on in the recent past with riots and burning and looting which went unchecked by the local police in many geographies it makes
"Nobody needs an assault weapon for anything other than killing many people?" Well the term "need' is quite subjective. The AR15 is an assault weapon only because the liberal left wishes to believe AR means Assault Rifle. It means Armalite Rifle but
the .454 and .50. He is speaking out his demented external anal sphincter. The liberal left (socialist communists) really want the country disarmed. When that happens we can all kiss it goodby.
Depending on who you ask there are 400 to 2000 gun laws on the books throughout the country. In the most restrictive of environments you find the most shootings on a weekly basis, go figure. We have enough laws, what we need is enforcement.
Biden now thinks that a .223 is HIGH CALIBER. It is 3 one thousandths of an inch bigger than the most common plinker, the .22. The 7.62x39 and the 308 are larger. He also said he want to ban the 9mm. WHY? the .40S&W is larger as is the .44, the .45,
aircraft mechanics, brain scan them for brain tumors too, not a bad idea? Aircraft mechanic is the occupation of most serial killers, look it up.
Every once in a while a nut case slips thru the cracks, horribly unfortunate and impossible to say anything that would appease the families affected by his actions. Do we do psychological analysis of every gun purchaser? How about doing the same to
go figure.
Schools were supposed to be hardened against such incidents and the ball was dropped in this case so we blame the gun, the manufacturer. The police faidbgTempeoled to respond adequately but the Supreme Court has held that they have no duty to do so,
be horrified at what modern guns can do, and are doing.
The world is becoming a more dangerous place day by day. Food prices are thru the roof, shortages are predicted, gas is thru the roof, baby formula is in short supply and if the Democrats win the midterm you will be lining up for toilet paper.
Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
Dear Walt,
This is obviously off topic for this group, but since you posted I am compelled to offer some counter arguments:
1: At the time the 2nd amendment was written it took about 1 minute to reload a gun. Modern semi-automatic rifles can fire a dozen or more bullets per minute. These are much different weapons than existed back then. I'm certain our founders would
2: Guns may not kill people, but people kill people. Guns are multipliers, they multiply how many people one person can kill. Was 1 person per minute, now is a dozen per minute. Much different than back then.guns, bombs, etc. Why is it that an AR-15 and similar high capacity semi-automatic weapons can be purchased at a gun show with no licensing or background checks, by 18 year olds?
3: The 2nd amendment refers to a "well regulated militia". In what universe is what we have in the USA a "well regulated milita"?
4: We already regulate many things that are dangerous if not regulated. You need a license (and training and pass a test) to drive a car or fly a plane. You must be over 21 to buy beer in most states. Civilians are not allowed to own large caliber
5: The reason murder rates are so high in locations with very restrictive gun laws is due to too many guns too freely available, not due to the strict gun laws. You are confusing cause and effect.impact. That is true, but collectively they can make a big difference. Australia strongly revised their gun laws a decade or so ago after a mass shooting and have not had a similar event since. Switzerland has a high gun ownership rate, but tightly
6: You say the gun laws need to be enforced better. There are so many guns out there that that is like draining a lake with a sponge.
7: Some people (not you, that I know of) argue that any one thing won't solve the problem: Outlawing assault weapons, stricter background checks, closing the gun show loophole, requiring universal licensing, etc each by themselves won't make much
Rich L.
On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 7:43:36 AM UTC-4, pvansch...@gmail.com wrote:small arms. On the bright side Daniel Defense published a pop-up statement on its homepage sending “thoughts and prayers” to the community of Uvalde.
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 9:43:06 PM UTC-7, Tom Desjardins wrote:
Yes, thankfully our Constitution gives us a right to keep and bear arms, but there are those who're unable to distinguish between limits and termination. Massacres like this will continue to increase with the continued exponential proliferation of
Sherman tanks, 50 caliber machine guns that were once installed in warbirds, and lots of other weapons of war. Nobody needs an assault weapon for anything other than killing many people.Here is the text of the second amendment:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
All the guns in circulation are not part of a well regulated militia. They are in the hands of some sensible gun owners and a lot of random unregulated individuals, one of whom goes crazy every few months. We regulate that people can not own operable
required to add technology to guns just like we do to cars to make them safer. Both these ideas would be more effective than yet more thoughts and prayers, which clearly do nothing at all.Just like we tax the heck out of tobacco to help defray the costs to society that the tobacco inflicts; we should tax the heck out of guns and ammunition. Some of the money would compensate victims and families. And the gun manufacturers should be
Ah Kimo Sabe, you speak like a Democrat. When asked "who sir are the Militia?" George Mason answered, "All of the people." Subsequent descriptions were "all able bodied men over 17 years of age, citizens or those wishing to be citizens," yada yada yada.This would seem to restrict ownership for females which would cause a riot these days. Bottom line is you can't muster a militia unless the citizenry is armed. Your comments about taxing and requiring technology are quite telling. BTW, when the 2nd
"Nobody needs an assault weapon for anything other than killing many people?" Well the term "need' is quite subjective. The AR15 is an assault weapon only because the liberal left wishes to believe AR means Assault Rifle. It means Armalite Rifle butsemantics aside it is a semi automatic rifle, mechanically not unlike many other rifles these days. Considering the goings on in the recent past with riots and burning and looting which went unchecked by the local police in many geographies it makes
Depending on who you ask there are 400 to 2000 gun laws on the books throughout the country. In the most restrictive of environments you find the most shootings on a weekly basis, go figure. We have enough laws, what we need is enforcement.the .454 and .50. He is speaking out his demented external anal sphincter. The liberal left (socialist communists) really want the country disarmed. When that happens we can all kiss it goodby.
Biden now thinks that a .223 is HIGH CALIBER. It is 3 one thousandths of an inch bigger than the most common plinker, the .22. The 7.62x39 and the 308 are larger. He also said he want to ban the 9mm. WHY? the .40S&W is larger as is the .44, the .45,
Every once in a while a nut case slips thru the cracks, horribly unfortunate and impossible to say anything that would appease the families affected by his actions. Do we do psychological analysis of every gun purchaser? How about doing the same toaircraft mechanics, brain scan them for brain tumors too, not a bad idea? Aircraft mechanic is the occupation of most serial killers, look it up.
Schools were supposed to be hardened against such incidents and the ball was dropped in this case so we blame the gun, the manufacturer. The police faidbgTempeoled to respond adequately but the Supreme Court has held that they have no duty to do so, gofigure.
The world is becoming a more dangerous place day by day. Food prices are thru the roof, shortages are predicted, gas is thru the roof, baby formula is in short supply and if the Democrats win the midterm you will be lining up for toilet paper.
Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
Dear Everyone,small arms. On the bright side Daniel Defense published a pop-up statement on its homepage sending “thoughts and prayers” to the community of Uvalde.
There seems to be a feeling that the US Constitution grants rights to
the citizens and that these rights can be revoked.
In fact, the Constitution only enumerates what are natural rights of all peoples and prohibits the government from infringing upon those rights.
Maybe if you had listened in school...
Dan
5J
On 5/31/22 10:24, Richard Livingston wrote:
On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 7:43:02 AM UTC-5, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 7:43:36 AM UTC-4, pvansch...@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 9:43:06 PM UTC-7, Tom Desjardins wrote:
Yes, thankfully our Constitution gives us a right to keep and bear arms, but there are those who're unable to distinguish between limits and termination. Massacres like this will continue to increase with the continued exponential proliferation of
operable Sherman tanks, 50 caliber machine guns that were once installed in warbirds, and lots of other weapons of war. Nobody needs an assault weapon for anything other than killing many people.Here is the text of the second amendment:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
All the guns in circulation are not part of a well regulated militia. They are in the hands of some sensible gun owners and a lot of random unregulated individuals, one of whom goes crazy every few months. We regulate that people can not own
required to add technology to guns just like we do to cars to make them safer. Both these ideas would be more effective than yet more thoughts and prayers, which clearly do nothing at all.
Just like we tax the heck out of tobacco to help defray the costs to society that the tobacco inflicts; we should tax the heck out of guns and ammunition. Some of the money would compensate victims and families. And the gun manufacturers should be
yada. This would seem to restrict ownership for females which would cause a riot these days. Bottom line is you can't muster a militia unless the citizenry is armed. Your comments about taxing and requiring technology are quite telling. BTW, when the 2ndAh Kimo Sabe, you speak like a Democrat. When asked "who sir are the Militia?" George Mason answered, "All of the people." Subsequent descriptions were "all able bodied men over 17 years of age, citizens or those wishing to be citizens," yada yada
semantics aside it is a semi automatic rifle, mechanically not unlike many other rifles these days. Considering the goings on in the recent past with riots and burning and looting which went unchecked by the local police in many geographies it makes
"Nobody needs an assault weapon for anything other than killing many people?" Well the term "need' is quite subjective. The AR15 is an assault weapon only because the liberal left wishes to believe AR means Assault Rifle. It means Armalite Rifle but
the .454 and .50. He is speaking out his demented external anal sphincter. The liberal left (socialist communists) really want the country disarmed. When that happens we can all kiss it goodby.
Depending on who you ask there are 400 to 2000 gun laws on the books throughout the country. In the most restrictive of environments you find the most shootings on a weekly basis, go figure. We have enough laws, what we need is enforcement.
Biden now thinks that a .223 is HIGH CALIBER. It is 3 one thousandths of an inch bigger than the most common plinker, the .22. The 7.62x39 and the 308 are larger. He also said he want to ban the 9mm. WHY? the .40S&W is larger as is the .44, the .45,
aircraft mechanics, brain scan them for brain tumors too, not a bad idea? Aircraft mechanic is the occupation of most serial killers, look it up.
Every once in a while a nut case slips thru the cracks, horribly unfortunate and impossible to say anything that would appease the families affected by his actions. Do we do psychological analysis of every gun purchaser? How about doing the same to
go figure.
Schools were supposed to be hardened against such incidents and the ball was dropped in this case so we blame the gun, the manufacturer. The police faidbgTempeoled to respond adequately but the Supreme Court has held that they have no duty to do so,
horrified at what modern guns can do, and are doing.
The world is becoming a more dangerous place day by day. Food prices are thru the roof, shortages are predicted, gas is thru the roof, baby formula is in short supply and if the Democrats win the midterm you will be lining up for toilet paper.
Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
Dear Walt,
This is obviously off topic for this group, but since you posted I am compelled to offer some counter arguments:
1: At the time the 2nd amendment was written it took about 1 minute to reload a gun. Modern semi-automatic rifles can fire a dozen or more bullets per minute. These are much different weapons than existed back then. I'm certain our founders would be
guns, bombs, etc. Why is it that an AR-15 and similar high capacity semi-automatic weapons can be purchased at a gun show with no licensing or background checks, by 18 year olds?2: Guns may not kill people, but people kill people. Guns are multipliers, they multiply how many people one person can kill. Was 1 person per minute, now is a dozen per minute. Much different than back then.
3: The 2nd amendment refers to a "well regulated militia". In what universe is what we have in the USA a "well regulated milita"?
4: We already regulate many things that are dangerous if not regulated. You need a license (and training and pass a test) to drive a car or fly a plane. You must be over 21 to buy beer in most states. Civilians are not allowed to own large caliber
impact. That is true, but collectively they can make a big difference. Australia strongly revised their gun laws a decade or so ago after a mass shooting and have not had a similar event since. Switzerland has a high gun ownership rate, but tightly5: The reason murder rates are so high in locations with very restrictive gun laws is due to too many guns too freely available, not due to the strict gun laws. You are confusing cause and effect.
6: You say the gun laws need to be enforced better. There are so many guns out there that that is like draining a lake with a sponge.
7: Some people (not you, that I know of) argue that any one thing won't solve the problem: Outlawing assault weapons, stricter background checks, closing the gun show loophole, requiring universal licensing, etc each by themselves won't make much
Rich L.
Op dinsdag 31 mei 2022 om 14:46:03 UTC+2 schreef waltco...@aol.com:<...brevity snip...>
Fortunately I live in Europe. No guns, no school massacres.
By what passes for "logic" here, we should also be restricting vehicle use, as cars, like guns, can be used as deadly weapons to kill and maim multiple people (as was done at the Christmas parade in Wisconsin). If you don't include gun related suicide,vehicle related deaths outnumber those that are gun related. Maybe we should be charging all car owners a tax to compensate accident and drunk driver victims. While we're at it, don't forget to raise the taxes on booze, 28% of vehicle deaths are alcohol
The underlying problem is the breakdown of the family in our society. Welfare is the enabler, rewarding people to have kids with little to no family structure . . . they grow up on the street.
On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 7:43:02 AM UTC-5, waltco...@aol.com wrote:of small arms. On the bright side Daniel Defense published a pop-up statement on its homepage sending “thoughts and prayers” to the community of Uvalde.
On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 7:43:36 AM UTC-4, pvansch...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 9:43:06 PM UTC-7, Tom Desjardins wrote:
Yes, thankfully our Constitution gives us a right to keep and bear arms, but there are those who're unable to distinguish between limits and termination. Massacres like this will continue to increase with the continued exponential proliferation
operable Sherman tanks, 50 caliber machine guns that were once installed in warbirds, and lots of other weapons of war. Nobody needs an assault weapon for anything other than killing many people.Here is the text of the second amendment:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
All the guns in circulation are not part of a well regulated militia. They are in the hands of some sensible gun owners and a lot of random unregulated individuals, one of whom goes crazy every few months. We regulate that people can not own
required to add technology to guns just like we do to cars to make them safer. Both these ideas would be more effective than yet more thoughts and prayers, which clearly do nothing at all.Just like we tax the heck out of tobacco to help defray the costs to society that the tobacco inflicts; we should tax the heck out of guns and ammunition. Some of the money would compensate victims and families. And the gun manufacturers should be
yada. This would seem to restrict ownership for females which would cause a riot these days. Bottom line is you can't muster a militia unless the citizenry is armed. Your comments about taxing and requiring technology are quite telling. BTW, when the 2ndAh Kimo Sabe, you speak like a Democrat. When asked "who sir are the Militia?" George Mason answered, "All of the people." Subsequent descriptions were "all able bodied men over 17 years of age, citizens or those wishing to be citizens," yada yada
semantics aside it is a semi automatic rifle, mechanically not unlike many other rifles these days. Considering the goings on in the recent past with riots and burning and looting which went unchecked by the local police in many geographies it makes"Nobody needs an assault weapon for anything other than killing many people?" Well the term "need' is quite subjective. The AR15 is an assault weapon only because the liberal left wishes to believe AR means Assault Rifle. It means Armalite Rifle but
the .454 and .50. He is speaking out his demented external anal sphincter. The liberal left (socialist communists) really want the country disarmed. When that happens we can all kiss it goodby.Depending on who you ask there are 400 to 2000 gun laws on the books throughout the country. In the most restrictive of environments you find the most shootings on a weekly basis, go figure. We have enough laws, what we need is enforcement.
Biden now thinks that a .223 is HIGH CALIBER. It is 3 one thousandths of an inch bigger than the most common plinker, the .22. The 7.62x39 and the 308 are larger. He also said he want to ban the 9mm. WHY? the .40S&W is larger as is the .44, the .45,
aircraft mechanics, brain scan them for brain tumors too, not a bad idea? Aircraft mechanic is the occupation of most serial killers, look it up.Every once in a while a nut case slips thru the cracks, horribly unfortunate and impossible to say anything that would appease the families affected by his actions. Do we do psychological analysis of every gun purchaser? How about doing the same to
go figure.Schools were supposed to be hardened against such incidents and the ball was dropped in this case so we blame the gun, the manufacturer. The police faidbgTempeoled to respond adequately but the Supreme Court has held that they have no duty to do so,
horrified at what modern guns can do, and are doing.The world is becoming a more dangerous place day by day. Food prices are thru the roof, shortages are predicted, gas is thru the roof, baby formula is in short supply and if the Democrats win the midterm you will be lining up for toilet paper.Dear Walt,
Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
This is obviously off topic for this group, but since you posted I am compelled to offer some counter arguments:
1: At the time the 2nd amendment was written it took about 1 minute to reload a gun. Modern semi-automatic rifles can fire a dozen or more bullets per minute. These are much different weapons than existed back then. I'm certain our founders would be
2: Guns may not kill people, but people kill people. Guns are multipliers, they multiply how many people one person can kill. Was 1 person per minute, now is a dozen per minute. Much different than back then.bombs, etc. Why is it that an AR-15 and similar high capacity semi-automatic weapons can be purchased at a gun show with no licensing or background checks, by 18 year olds?
3: The 2nd amendment refers to a "well regulated militia". In what universe is what we have in the USA a "well regulated milita"?
4: We already regulate many things that are dangerous if not regulated. You need a license (and training and pass a test) to drive a car or fly a plane. You must be over 21 to buy beer in most states. Civilians are not allowed to own large caliber guns,
5: The reason murder rates are so high in locations with very restrictive gun laws is due to too many guns too freely available, not due to the strict gun laws. You are confusing cause and effect.impact. That is true, but collectively they can make a big difference. Australia strongly revised their gun laws a decade or so ago after a mass shooting and have not had a similar event since. Switzerland has a high gun ownership rate, but tightly
6: You say the gun laws need to be enforced better. There are so many guns out there that that is like draining a lake with a sponge.
7: Some people (not you, that I know of) argue that any one thing won't solve the problem: Outlawing assault weapons, stricter background checks, closing the gun show loophole, requiring universal licensing, etc each by themselves won't make much
Rich L.permitted for a moment the lawlessness going on, the looting, burning and rioting with no recourse. People would be in jail or shot by the authorities or citizens.
1. I believe if our founding fathers could have envisioned the goings on today, the lean towards socialism/communism and the lawlessness in the streets they would have been even more in favor off an armed citizenry. They would however not have
2. Yes, people kill people with guns, with cars while driving impaired by alcohol, with home made explosives. If people want to kill people they will find a way. First it will be the AR15, next the mini 14 and at some point your musket. Governmentmakes little to no effort to improve things, as they have stated time and time again, never let a good crisis go to waste.
3. As I stated before without an armed citizenry a militia can't be assembled. There are now and always have been nut cases who do not fit into the equation.brain of a recent high school graduate is not sufficiently developed. Some never are. Statistics show that previous assault weapon bans have not produced any tangible results.
4. The Constitution gives us the right to keep and bear arms, not to drink alcohol or drive a car or fly an airplane which are privileges, not rights. Personally I would be fine with a higher age requirement on purchase of firearms of any kind, the
5. "The reason murder rates are so high in locations with very restrictive gun laws is due to too many guns too freely available, not due to the strict gun laws. You are confusing cause and effect." Explain then the reason murder and gun crimes inenvironments with extremely limited gun laws are lower. States that liberally allow licensure for concealed carry showed a reduction in gun related crimes. A cause is a reaction, the effect is the result. Failure to effectively punish gun crimes
6. "You say the gun laws need to be enforced better. There are so many guns out there that that is like draining a lake with a sponge." So virtually ignoring the enforcement (which is exactly what is going on in many municipalities) is the thing to do?While it is not an excuse for the massacre at Robb Elementary, there were more shootings and fatalities in Chicago last month with little to no response from the authorities.
7. Australia did not have the same Constitutional rights afforded U.S. Citizens making such bans more easily accomplishable. What it also accomplished was to disarm the law abiding Australian citizen. Do you think criminals turned in their guns? Doyou think guns would not be available on the black market? Murder rates were already declining prior to the NFA of Australia. I had a statistics class in college and the prof said he could make any set of numbers mean anything he wished, so much for
On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 12:24:18 PM UTC-4, richali...@gmail.com wrote:of small arms. On the bright side Daniel Defense published a pop-up statement on its homepage sending “thoughts and prayers” to the community of Uvalde.
On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 7:43:02 AM UTC-5, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 7:43:36 AM UTC-4, pvansch...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 9:43:06 PM UTC-7, Tom Desjardins wrote:
Yes, thankfully our Constitution gives us a right to keep and bear arms, but there are those who're unable to distinguish between limits and termination. Massacres like this will continue to increase with the continued exponential proliferation
operable Sherman tanks, 50 caliber machine guns that were once installed in warbirds, and lots of other weapons of war. Nobody needs an assault weapon for anything other than killing many people.Here is the text of the second amendment:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
All the guns in circulation are not part of a well regulated militia. They are in the hands of some sensible gun owners and a lot of random unregulated individuals, one of whom goes crazy every few months. We regulate that people can not own
be required to add technology to guns just like we do to cars to make them safer. Both these ideas would be more effective than yet more thoughts and prayers, which clearly do nothing at all.Just like we tax the heck out of tobacco to help defray the costs to society that the tobacco inflicts; we should tax the heck out of guns and ammunition. Some of the money would compensate victims and families. And the gun manufacturers should
yada. This would seem to restrict ownership for females which would cause a riot these days. Bottom line is you can't muster a militia unless the citizenry is armed. Your comments about taxing and requiring technology are quite telling. BTW, when the 2ndAh Kimo Sabe, you speak like a Democrat. When asked "who sir are the Militia?" George Mason answered, "All of the people." Subsequent descriptions were "all able bodied men over 17 years of age, citizens or those wishing to be citizens," yada yada
but semantics aside it is a semi automatic rifle, mechanically not unlike many other rifles these days. Considering the goings on in the recent past with riots and burning and looting which went unchecked by the local police in many geographies it makes"Nobody needs an assault weapon for anything other than killing many people?" Well the term "need' is quite subjective. The AR15 is an assault weapon only because the liberal left wishes to believe AR means Assault Rifle. It means Armalite Rifle
the .454 and .50. He is speaking out his demented external anal sphincter. The liberal left (socialist communists) really want the country disarmed. When that happens we can all kiss it goodby.Depending on who you ask there are 400 to 2000 gun laws on the books throughout the country. In the most restrictive of environments you find the most shootings on a weekly basis, go figure. We have enough laws, what we need is enforcement.
Biden now thinks that a .223 is HIGH CALIBER. It is 3 one thousandths of an inch bigger than the most common plinker, the .22. The 7.62x39 and the 308 are larger. He also said he want to ban the 9mm. WHY? the .40S&W is larger as is the .44, the .45,
aircraft mechanics, brain scan them for brain tumors too, not a bad idea? Aircraft mechanic is the occupation of most serial killers, look it up.Every once in a while a nut case slips thru the cracks, horribly unfortunate and impossible to say anything that would appease the families affected by his actions. Do we do psychological analysis of every gun purchaser? How about doing the same to
go figure.Schools were supposed to be hardened against such incidents and the ball was dropped in this case so we blame the gun, the manufacturer. The police faidbgTempeoled to respond adequately but the Supreme Court has held that they have no duty to do so,
horrified at what modern guns can do, and are doing.The world is becoming a more dangerous place day by day. Food prices are thru the roof, shortages are predicted, gas is thru the roof, baby formula is in short supply and if the Democrats win the midterm you will be lining up for toilet paper.Dear Walt,
Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
This is obviously off topic for this group, but since you posted I am compelled to offer some counter arguments:
1: At the time the 2nd amendment was written it took about 1 minute to reload a gun. Modern semi-automatic rifles can fire a dozen or more bullets per minute. These are much different weapons than existed back then. I'm certain our founders would be
guns, bombs, etc. Why is it that an AR-15 and similar high capacity semi-automatic weapons can be purchased at a gun show with no licensing or background checks, by 18 year olds?2: Guns may not kill people, but people kill people. Guns are multipliers, they multiply how many people one person can kill. Was 1 person per minute, now is a dozen per minute. Much different than back then.
3: The 2nd amendment refers to a "well regulated militia". In what universe is what we have in the USA a "well regulated milita"?
4: We already regulate many things that are dangerous if not regulated. You need a license (and training and pass a test) to drive a car or fly a plane. You must be over 21 to buy beer in most states. Civilians are not allowed to own large caliber
impact. That is true, but collectively they can make a big difference. Australia strongly revised their gun laws a decade or so ago after a mass shooting and have not had a similar event since. Switzerland has a high gun ownership rate, but tightly5: The reason murder rates are so high in locations with very restrictive gun laws is due to too many guns too freely available, not due to the strict gun laws. You are confusing cause and effect.
6: You say the gun laws need to be enforced better. There are so many guns out there that that is like draining a lake with a sponge.
7: Some people (not you, that I know of) argue that any one thing won't solve the problem: Outlawing assault weapons, stricter background checks, closing the gun show loophole, requiring universal licensing, etc each by themselves won't make much
permitted for a moment the lawlessness going on, the looting, burning and rioting with no recourse. People would be in jail or shot by the authorities or citizens.Rich L.
1. I believe if our founding fathers could have envisioned the goings on today, the lean towards socialism/communism and the lawlessness in the streets they would have been even more in favor off an armed citizenry. They would however not have
makes little to no effort to improve things, as they have stated time and time again, never let a good crisis go to waste.2. Yes, people kill people with guns, with cars while driving impaired by alcohol, with home made explosives. If people want to kill people they will find a way. First it will be the AR15, next the mini 14 and at some point your musket. Government
brain of a recent high school graduate is not sufficiently developed. Some never are. Statistics show that previous assault weapon bans have not produced any tangible results.3. As I stated before without an armed citizenry a militia can't be assembled. There are now and always have been nut cases who do not fit into the equation.
4. The Constitution gives us the right to keep and bear arms, not to drink alcohol or drive a car or fly an airplane which are privileges, not rights. Personally I would be fine with a higher age requirement on purchase of firearms of any kind, the
We are going to have to agree to disagree on many points.environments with extremely limited gun laws are lower. States that liberally allow licensure for concealed carry showed a reduction in gun related crimes. A cause is a reaction, the effect is the result. Failure to effectively punish gun crimes results
5. "The reason murder rates are so high in locations with very restrictive gun laws is due to too many guns too freely available, not due to the strict gun laws. You are confusing cause and effect." Explain then the reason murder and gun crimes in
While it is not an excuse for the massacre at Robb Elementary, there were more shootings and fatalities in Chicago last month with little to no response from the authorities.6. "You say the gun laws need to be enforced better. There are so many guns out there that that is like draining a lake with a sponge." So virtually ignoring the enforcement (which is exactly what is going on in many municipalities) is the thing to do?
you think guns would not be available on the black market? Murder rates were already declining prior to the NFA of Australia. I had a statistics class in college and the prof said he could make any set of numbers mean anything he wished, so much for7. Australia did not have the same Constitutional rights afforded U.S. Citizens making such bans more easily accomplishable. What it also accomplished was to disarm the law abiding Australian citizen. Do you think criminals turned in their guns? Do
There are not easy answers to any of these questions but it is clear that enforcement is being ignored. Yes, guns in Chicago are bought elsewhere, quite often stolen and traded on the streets. Banning guns in America at any level would not have mucheffect on criminality. They would come in from Mexico illegally as does fentanyl and other illegal drugs.
Biden now wants to claim the 5.56mm/.223 is a HIGH caliber projectile. Not so. 7.62x39 is larger as is .308. He is now talking about banning 9mm because it is a "high caliber." What then about 10mm, .40S&W, .45 ACP, .44 magnum, 454 Casull, .50 AE?Biden speaks out his demented behind.
I fully agree that there are loopholes in the law. I would hesitate to sell a gun to someone I didn't know and in many cases to people I know. I looked at a Colt Combat Commander (probably a 5K$ gun) at an estate sale in a gated community. There was anarmed security guard on duty due to the value of many of the items for sale. I ran the serial number on Hotguns.com and it was stolen. Surprised that a fine, upstanding, wealthy member of the community would have left such an item behind after his death.
A good friend of mine was killed by a drunk driver. No one though to blame Mercedes Benz, the maker of the car that killed him. There was no outcry at Bacardi Rum, the alcohol used to intoxicate the driver. Yes, the purpose of a car is not to kill butthe purpose of alcohol is to dull our senses. (I quit drinking after flying a 13-14 hour mission over northern Laos with a hangover.).
We are goin g to have to agree to disagree on many issues my friend.
Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 9:43:06 PM UTC-7, Tom Desjardins wrote:small arms. On the bright side Daniel Defense published a pop-up statement on its homepage sending “thoughts and prayers” to the community of Uvalde.
Yes, thankfully our Constitution gives us a right to keep and bear arms, but there are those who're unable to distinguish between limits and termination. Massacres like this will continue to increase with the continued exponential proliferation of
Here is the text of the second amendment:Sherman tanks, 50 caliber machine guns that were once installed in warbirds, and lots of other weapons of war. Nobody needs an assault weapon for anything other than killing many people.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
All the guns in circulation are not part of a well regulated militia. They are in the hands of some sensible gun owners and a lot of random unregulated individuals, one of whom goes crazy every few months. We regulate that people can not own operable
Just like we tax the heck out of tobacco to help defray the costs to society that the tobacco inflicts; we should tax the heck out of guns and ammunition. Some of the money would compensate victims and families. And the gun manufacturers should berequired to add technology to guns just like we do to cars to make them safer. Both these ideas would be more effective than yet more thoughts and prayers, which clearly do nothing at all.
On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 7:43:36 AM UTC-4, pvansch...@gmail.com wrote:small arms. On the bright side Daniel Defense published a pop-up statement on its homepage sending “thoughts and prayers” to the community of Uvalde.
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 9:43:06 PM UTC-7, Tom Desjardins wrote:
Yes, thankfully our Constitution gives us a right to keep and bear arms, but there are those who're unable to distinguish between limits and termination. Massacres like this will continue to increase with the continued exponential proliferation of
Sherman tanks, 50 caliber machine guns that were once installed in warbirds, and lots of other weapons of war. Nobody needs an assault weapon for anything other than killing many people.Here is the text of the second amendment:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
All the guns in circulation are not part of a well regulated militia. They are in the hands of some sensible gun owners and a lot of random unregulated individuals, one of whom goes crazy every few months. We regulate that people can not own operable
required to add technology to guns just like we do to cars to make them safer. Both these ideas would be more effective than yet more thoughts and prayers, which clearly do nothing at all.Just like we tax the heck out of tobacco to help defray the costs to society that the tobacco inflicts; we should tax the heck out of guns and ammunition. Some of the money would compensate victims and families. And the gun manufacturers should be
Ah Kimo Sabe, you speak like a Democrat. When asked "who sir are the Militia?" George Mason answered, "All of the people." Subsequent descriptions were "all able bodied men over 17 years of age, citizens or those wishing to be citizens," yada yada yada.This would seem to restrict ownership for females which would cause a riot these days. Bottom line is you can't muster a militia unless the citizenry is armed. Your comments about taxing and requiring technology are quite telling. BTW, when the 2nd
"Nobody needs an assault weapon for anything other than killing many people?" Well the term "need' is quite subjective. The AR15 is an assault weapon only because the liberal left wishes to believe AR means Assault Rifle. It means Armalite Rifle butsemantics aside it is a semi automatic rifle, mechanically not unlike many other rifles these days. Considering the goings on in the recent past with riots and burning and looting which went unchecked by the local police in many geographies it makes
Depending on who you ask there are 400 to 2000 gun laws on the books throughout the country. In the most restrictive of environments you find the most shootings on a weekly basis, go figure. We have enough laws, what we need is enforcement.the .454 and .50. He is speaking out his demented external anal sphincter. The liberal left (socialist communists) really want the country disarmed. When that happens we can all kiss it goodby.
Biden now thinks that a .223 is HIGH CALIBER. It is 3 one thousandths of an inch bigger than the most common plinker, the .22. The 7.62x39 and the 308 are larger. He also said he want to ban the 9mm. WHY? the .40S&W is larger as is the .44, the .45,
Every once in a while a nut case slips thru the cracks, horribly unfortunate and impossible to say anything that would appease the families affected by his actions. Do we do psychological analysis of every gun purchaser? How about doing the same toaircraft mechanics, brain scan them for brain tumors too, not a bad idea? Aircraft mechanic is the occupation of most serial killers, look it up.
Schools were supposed to be hardened against such incidents and the ball was dropped in this case so we blame the gun, the manufacturer. The police failed to respond adequately but the Supreme Court has held that they have no duty to do so, go figure.
The world is becoming a more dangerous place day by day. Food prices are thru the roof, shortages are predicted, gas is thru the roof, baby formula is in short supply and if the Democrats win the midterm you will be lining up for toilet paper.
Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 4:43:36 AM UTC-7, pvansch...@gmail.com wrote:small arms. On the bright side Daniel Defense published a pop-up statement on its homepage sending “thoughts and prayers” to the community of Uvalde.
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 9:43:06 PM UTC-7, Tom Desjardins wrote:
Yes, thankfully our Constitution gives us a right to keep and bear arms, but there are those who're unable to distinguish between limits and termination. Massacres like this will continue to increase with the continued exponential proliferation of
Sherman tanks, 50 caliber machine guns that were once installed in warbirds, and lots of other weapons of war. Nobody needs an assault weapon for anything other than killing many people.Here is the text of the second amendment:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
All the guns in circulation are not part of a well regulated militia. They are in the hands of some sensible gun owners and a lot of random unregulated individuals, one of whom goes crazy every few months. We regulate that people can not own operable
required to add technology to guns just like we do to cars to make them safer. Both these ideas would be more effective than yet more thoughts and prayers, which clearly do nothing at all.Just like we tax the heck out of tobacco to help defray the costs to society that the tobacco inflicts; we should tax the heck out of guns and ammunition. Some of the money would compensate victims and families. And the gun manufacturers should be
You are sadly ignorant of the Heller decision which covers the argument you made in great detail. This decision, by the way, is 14 years old.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller
On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 11:08:33 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:of small arms. On the bright side Daniel Defense published a pop-up statement on its homepage sending “thoughts and prayers” to the community of Uvalde.
On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 4:43:36 AM UTC-7, pvansch...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 9:43:06 PM UTC-7, Tom Desjardins wrote:
Yes, thankfully our Constitution gives us a right to keep and bear arms, but there are those who're unable to distinguish between limits and termination. Massacres like this will continue to increase with the continued exponential proliferation
operable Sherman tanks, 50 caliber machine guns that were once installed in warbirds, and lots of other weapons of war. Nobody needs an assault weapon for anything other than killing many people.Here is the text of the second amendment:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
All the guns in circulation are not part of a well regulated militia. They are in the hands of some sensible gun owners and a lot of random unregulated individuals, one of whom goes crazy every few months. We regulate that people can not own
required to add technology to guns just like we do to cars to make them safer. Both these ideas would be more effective than yet more thoughts and prayers, which clearly do nothing at all.Just like we tax the heck out of tobacco to help defray the costs to society that the tobacco inflicts; we should tax the heck out of guns and ammunition. Some of the money would compensate victims and families. And the gun manufacturers should be
and change the law. Thus no ruling is ever permanent, take ROWE V WADE, a prime example.You are sadly ignorant of the Heller decision which covers the argument you made in great detail. This decision, by the way, is 14 years old.True but the problem with Supreme Court decisions is that depending on the current make up of the court, previous rulings can be overturned. The current POTUS wishes to STACK THE COURT, add more justices to favor his point of view creating a majority
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller
Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 4:43:36 AM UTC-7, pvansch...@gmail.com wrote:small arms. On the bright side Daniel Defense published a pop-up statement on its homepage sending “thoughts and prayers” to the community of Uvalde.
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 9:43:06 PM UTC-7, Tom Desjardins wrote:
Yes, thankfully our Constitution gives us a right to keep and bear arms, but there are those who're unable to distinguish between limits and termination. Massacres like this will continue to increase with the continued exponential proliferation of
Sherman tanks, 50 caliber machine guns that were once installed in warbirds, and lots of other weapons of war. Nobody needs an assault weapon for anything other than killing many people.Here is the text of the second amendment:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
All the guns in circulation are not part of a well regulated militia. They are in the hands of some sensible gun owners and a lot of random unregulated individuals, one of whom goes crazy every few months. We regulate that people can not own operable
required to add technology to guns just like we do to cars to make them safer. Both these ideas would be more effective than yet more thoughts and prayers, which clearly do nothing at all.Just like we tax the heck out of tobacco to help defray the costs to society that the tobacco inflicts; we should tax the heck out of guns and ammunition. Some of the money would compensate victims and families. And the gun manufacturers should be
You are sadly ignorant of the Heller decision which covers the argument you made in great detail. This decision, by the way, is 14 years old.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller
...So, the Founders were saying that ALL able-bodied men needed to be armed ....
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 4:53:35 AM UTC-4, Tom Desjardins wrote:
...So, the Founders were saying that ALL able-bodied men needed to be armed ....
Legally insane people should not have guns because they are not responsible for what they are doing. There is a certain amount of personal responsibility involved with gun ownership. Felons and drug addicts have shown a total disregard for the lives ofothers and themselves. Keep guns away form those people as well.
I think that responsible, law abiding men and women should have all the guns they want, for whatever lawful purpose they wish. Underage boys and girls need adult supervision and proper training.
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 7:38:24 AM UTC-4, Rakel wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 4:53:35 AM UTC-4, Tom Desjardins wrote:
...So, the Founders were saying that ALL able-bodied men needed to be armed ....
of others and themselves. Keep guns away form those people as well.Legally insane people should not have guns because they are not responsible for what they are doing. There is a certain amount of personal responsibility involved with gun ownership. Felons and drug addicts have shown a total disregard for the lives
Village idiots were not uncommon back in early America, the locals most likely knew who they were and kept an eye on them without worry about the court finding them in violation of their rights.I think that responsible, law abiding men and women should have all the guns they want, for whatever lawful purpose they wish. Underage boys and girls need adult supervision and proper training.Interpretation can be misleading at times, "able bodied" would in my opinion exclude anyone with diminished mental capacity. Two people can read the same paragraph and come away with a different perspective to some degree based on their predilection.
Felons are by law not allowed to buy or even POSESS a firearm, a drug addict convicted of such an offense would fall into this category. Personally I would be in favor of raising the age to buy any firearm to 21. JMHO.I think that's a bit much, but for semi-autos I agree. We need to enforce existing laws first - many dealers have been in gross violation yet ATF does nothing. Make gun owners very accountable when their weapons get into other's hands.
Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot.
I was in Uvalde in 1991. I remember again the son in the family that owned the motel describing to us possibly naive visitors how simple it was to buy a gun. I also remember occasionally listening to the radio while driving the trailer to Jacksonvilleafter the comp, hearing news reports of shootings in nearby places I saw on road signs, such as Biloxi.
I see plenty of argument, some of it surely tenuous or dubious, such as the solution to having too many guns is get even more, or blame the victims, or anyone who wants to do anything must be left wing nutters, or threatens our historic Constitution.monitoring groups.
I just found a Newsweek article written on the occasion of a mass shooting in Plymouth England, the first such incident in this country for about a decade. In the same time the USA had hundreds or even thousands, according to counting by different
We had an infamous shooting in 1996 in a school in Dunblane, home town of the tennis player Andy Murray, who was present. The country did something about it.percent of all women killed with guns, 91 percent of children under 14 and 92 percent of young people between ages 15 and 24 killed with guns, with guns being the leading cause of death for children."
I won't dare to tell you what to do about this in your country. Too many of you seem to want to do nothing at all, except come up with very highly assertive excuses why you don't have any interest or responsibility in the matter.
Sure, I don't understand. This may attract some replies saying so.
Instead, look in the mirror: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States
One excerpt:
"Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the U.S. gun-related homicide rate is 25 times higher.[16] Although it has half the population of the other 22 nations combined, among those 22 nations studied, the U.S. had 82 percent of gun deaths, 90
On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 6:35:38 AM UTC-4, andy l wrote:Jacksonville after the comp, hearing news reports of shootings in nearby places I saw on road signs, such as Biloxi.
I was in Uvalde in 1991. I remember again the son in the family that owned the motel describing to us possibly naive visitors how simple it was to buy a gun. I also remember occasionally listening to the radio while driving the trailer to
monitoring groups.I see plenty of argument, some of it surely tenuous or dubious, such as the solution to having too many guns is get even more, or blame the victims, or anyone who wants to do anything must be left wing nutters, or threatens our historic Constitution.
I just found a Newsweek article written on the occasion of a mass shooting in Plymouth England, the first such incident in this country for about a decade. In the same time the USA had hundreds or even thousands, according to counting by different
percent of all women killed with guns, 91 percent of children under 14 and 92 percent of young people between ages 15 and 24 killed with guns, with guns being the leading cause of death for children."We had an infamous shooting in 1996 in a school in Dunblane, home town of the tennis player Andy Murray, who was present. The country did something about it.
I won't dare to tell you what to do about this in your country. Too many of you seem to want to do nothing at all, except come up with very highly assertive excuses why you don't have any interest or responsibility in the matter.
Sure, I don't understand. This may attract some replies saying so.
Instead, look in the mirror: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States
One excerpt:
"Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the U.S. gun-related homicide rate is 25 times higher.[16] Although it has half the population of the other 22 nations combined, among those 22 nations studied, the U.S. had 82 percent of gun deaths, 90
There is no easy answer to this question but unlike many other countries the USA has a Constitution where the right to keep and bear arms is spelled out.need such capacity? Not the same thing you say? I beg to differ. When the need comes to defend myself I want to make the decision as to the method myself, not to have a bureaucrat do it for me.
As I have stated in the past, I do not need a fire extinguisher RIGHT NOW but I have in the past and the one I had was inadequate to do the job. I now have two and they are of a much larger capacity. Should someone have the right to tell me I don’t
In the UK one is not allowed to apply for a gun purchase permit if the reason is self defense. In the USA the right to self defense is clear. You have the right to use deadly force when your life is in danger or you are in danger of seriously bodilyharm, except of course in cities like New York where only the criminal has the advantage. Gun laws vary from state to state and some times from municipality to municipality however the US Supreme Court has ruled that the Second Amendment to the United
I will say that I think an 18 year old should not be permitted to buy a firearm, just my personal opinion. I don’t think they should be allowed to drink alcohol either, again a personal opinion. Twenty one or twenty five would be a better age unlessthey have been in the military with proper training. I had a .22 rifle at age 12, a bolt action model and I received some good safety training and marksmanship training from my dad, and I knew if I screwed up it would be my ass. I lived out in the
Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
I was in Uvalde in 1991. I remember again the son in the family that owned the motel describing to us possibly naive visitors how simple it was to buy a gun. I also remember occasionally listening to the radio while driving the trailer to Jacksonvilleafter the comp, hearing news reports of shootings in nearby places I saw on road signs, such as Biloxi.
I see plenty of argument, some of it surely tenuous or dubious, such as the solution to having too many guns is get even more, or blame the victims, or anyone who wants to do anything must be left wing nutters, or threatens our historic Constitution.monitoring groups.
I just found a Newsweek article written on the occasion of a mass shooting in Plymouth England, the first such incident in this country for about a decade. In the same time the USA had hundreds or even thousands, according to counting by different
We had an infamous shooting in 1996 in a school in Dunblane, home town of the tennis player Andy Murray, who was present. The country did something about it.percent of all women killed with guns, 91 percent of children under 14 and 92 percent of young people between ages 15 and 24 killed with guns, with guns being the leading cause of death for children."
I won't dare to tell you what to do about this in your country. Too many of you seem to want to do nothing at all, except come up with very highly assertive excuses why you don't have any interest or responsibility in the matter.
Sure, I don't understand. This may attract some replies saying so.
Instead, look in the mirror: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States
One excerpt:
"Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the U.S. gun-related homicide rate is 25 times higher.[16] Although it has half the population of the other 22 nations combined, among those 22 nations studied, the U.S. had 82 percent of gun deaths, 90
On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 3:35:38 AM UTC-7, andy l wrote:Jacksonville after the comp, hearing news reports of shootings in nearby places I saw on road signs, such as Biloxi.
I was in Uvalde in 1991. I remember again the son in the family that owned the motel describing to us possibly naive visitors how simple it was to buy a gun. I also remember occasionally listening to the radio while driving the trailer to
monitoring groups.I see plenty of argument, some of it surely tenuous or dubious, such as the solution to having too many guns is get even more, or blame the victims, or anyone who wants to do anything must be left wing nutters, or threatens our historic Constitution.
I just found a Newsweek article written on the occasion of a mass shooting in Plymouth England, the first such incident in this country for about a decade. In the same time the USA had hundreds or even thousands, according to counting by different
percent of all women killed with guns, 91 percent of children under 14 and 92 percent of young people between ages 15 and 24 killed with guns, with guns being the leading cause of death for children."We had an infamous shooting in 1996 in a school in Dunblane, home town of the tennis player Andy Murray, who was present. The country did something about it.
I won't dare to tell you what to do about this in your country. Too many of you seem to want to do nothing at all, except come up with very highly assertive excuses why you don't have any interest or responsibility in the matter.
Sure, I don't understand. This may attract some replies saying so.
Instead, look in the mirror: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States
One excerpt:
"Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the U.S. gun-related homicide rate is 25 times higher.[16] Although it has half the population of the other 22 nations combined, among those 22 nations studied, the U.S. had 82 percent of gun deaths, 90
"...I won't dare to tell you what to do about this in your country. Too many of you seem to want to do nothing at all, except come up with very highly assertive excuses why you don't have any interest or responsibility in the matter..."it, it's only a relatively small percentage of hardcore extremists and their leaders who continue to block sensible reform.
Well said andi I. You put your finger on the bottom line why these massacres, happen here and not in other western nations, the huge number of and easy access to guns. But the truth is that the vast majority of Americans DO want to do something about
And most of those who blame mental illness and the breakdown of the family unit (both factors) have no interest in proposing policies and providing resources that would help reduce these issues. Let alone address the rise in the hate and racism thathave motivated these recent massacres, like the replacement and other conspiracy theories. I believe this will be the motivation behind the majority of massacres in the coming months and years, until the vast majority who want to do something grows large
Some believe our Constitution came down from heaven written in stone, but America can and have made the changes to meet the needs that time, science and knowledge has shown the majority of Americans what's required for, "Life, Liberty and the pursuitof Happiness".
On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 2:01:05 PM UTC-7, Tom Desjardins wrote:Jacksonville after the comp, hearing news reports of shootings in nearby places I saw on road signs, such as Biloxi.
On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 3:35:38 AM UTC-7, andy l wrote:
I was in Uvalde in 1991. I remember again the son in the family that owned the motel describing to us possibly naive visitors how simple it was to buy a gun. I also remember occasionally listening to the radio while driving the trailer to
Constitution.I see plenty of argument, some of it surely tenuous or dubious, such as the solution to having too many guns is get even more, or blame the victims, or anyone who wants to do anything must be left wing nutters, or threatens our historic
monitoring groups.I just found a Newsweek article written on the occasion of a mass shooting in Plymouth England, the first such incident in this country for about a decade. In the same time the USA had hundreds or even thousands, according to counting by different
percent of all women killed with guns, 91 percent of children under 14 and 92 percent of young people between ages 15 and 24 killed with guns, with guns being the leading cause of death for children."We had an infamous shooting in 1996 in a school in Dunblane, home town of the tennis player Andy Murray, who was present. The country did something about it.
I won't dare to tell you what to do about this in your country. Too many of you seem to want to do nothing at all, except come up with very highly assertive excuses why you don't have any interest or responsibility in the matter.
Sure, I don't understand. This may attract some replies saying so.
Instead, look in the mirror: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States
One excerpt:
"Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the U.S. gun-related homicide rate is 25 times higher.[16] Although it has half the population of the other 22 nations combined, among those 22 nations studied, the U.S. had 82 percent of gun deaths, 90
it, it's only a relatively small percentage of hardcore extremists and their leaders who continue to block sensible reform."...I won't dare to tell you what to do about this in your country. Too many of you seem to want to do nothing at all, except come up with very highly assertive excuses why you don't have any interest or responsibility in the matter..."
Well said andi I. You put your finger on the bottom line why these massacres, happen here and not in other western nations, the huge number of and easy access to guns. But the truth is that the vast majority of Americans DO want to do something about
have motivated these recent massacres, like the replacement and other conspiracy theories. I believe this will be the motivation behind the majority of massacres in the coming months and years, until the vast majority who want to do something grows largeAnd most of those who blame mental illness and the breakdown of the family unit (both factors) have no interest in proposing policies and providing resources that would help reduce these issues. Let alone address the rise in the hate and racism that
of Happiness".Some believe our Constitution came down from heaven written in stone, but America can and have made the changes to meet the needs that time, science and knowledge has shown the majority of Americans what's required for, "Life, Liberty and the pursuit
Mass murders won't even make into the Top 100 causes of death. If you denied the insane access to what is erroneously called "assault rifles" (not likely as you are talking about mass confiscation of ALL rifles) they would, simply, switch to handguns.And if you went whole hog and confiscated EVERY firearm (which is blatantly unconstitutional) they would switch to a car, pickup or truck (which has happened, not here, but in Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle-ramming_attack).
Typical of liberals, they look at an inanimate object as the problem when it is the person. If you study serial killers they rarely use firearms to kill their victims. What would REALLY help is the STRICT enforcement of EXISTING gun laws, like strawbuyers and people who lie on their gun application form (like Hunter Biden). Criminals caught with illegal firearms typically have the gun enhancement charge pled down.
All approaches at gun control impact law-abiding citizens the most severely. Criminal don't follow the law because, after all, they are criminals. There are hundreds of thousands of instances of defensive gun use each year in the USA, but most areunknown because it may only involve showing the gun to the criminal.
Uvalde, the place loaded with so many great memories for hundreds of glider pilots. Town of great hospitality to gliding community, site of the world's best soaring, and now suddenly.... the capital of school shootings.
On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 6:30:31 PM UTC-7, FZ wrote:the most lethal on the right.
Uvalde, the place loaded with so many great memories for hundreds of glider pilots. Town of great hospitality to gliding community, site of the world's best soaring, and now suddenly.... the capital of school shootings.
My take,
Envision a straight line graph with a fist sized stone on the far left and a thermonuclear bomb on the far right. Each category of lethal weapon is placed on the graph according to its relative lethality. The least lethal to the left progressing toward
The second amendment (literally interpreted) suggests American citizens can own any weapon they please. But few among us actually believe the average citizen should own a shoulder launched anti aircraft rocket, or an armed F 18. Where do you personallydraw the vertical line on this grey scale of weaponry?
I’m guessing most of us, conservatives included, would draw it somewhere just left of hand grenades, but right of handguns and hunting rifles. In this narrow band between hunting rifles and hand grenades lives a small subset of weapons designed formilitary use — specifically for efficiently killing people (the AR-15 and its counterparts). These weapons fire high velocity bullets possessing enough kinetic energy to literally blow holes in people. They are capaite of rapid fire, possess large
The majority of us, who favor some form of gun control, don’t want your 9mm or your deer rifle. Hell, Im a notorious liberal and I keep a 12 gage for protection. We want to keep guns out of the hands of felons and the insane, and we want to close thegun show loophole and require background checks. And yes, we want to ban military style weapons designed expressly to kill humans.
Over and over again, I’ve heard the same arguments justifying a man’s need for an assault rifle. These arguments apply just as readily to hand grenades, rocket launchers and thermonuclear weapons. None of us really believe that the second amendmentis sacrosanct. It just a matter of where we draw the line.
I’ve read that many of the Uvalde children were literally blown to pieces and unrecognizable.
Dale Bush
This thread is worse than the Monkey-Sun-Penis one. And has NOTHING to do with soaring.
On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 4:18:58 PM UTC-7, twofiv...@gmail.com wrote:toward the most lethal on the right.
On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 6:30:31 PM UTC-7, FZ wrote:
Uvalde, the place loaded with so many great memories for hundreds of glider pilots. Town of great hospitality to gliding community, site of the world's best soaring, and now suddenly.... the capital of school shootings.
My take,
Envision a straight line graph with a fist sized stone on the far left and a thermonuclear bomb on the far right. Each category of lethal weapon is placed on the graph according to its relative lethality. The least lethal to the left progressing
personally draw the vertical line on this grey scale of weaponry?The second amendment (literally interpreted) suggests American citizens can own any weapon they please. But few among us actually believe the average citizen should own a shoulder launched anti aircraft rocket, or an armed F 18. Where do you
military use — specifically for efficiently killing people (the AR-15 and its counterparts). These weapons fire high velocity bullets possessing enough kinetic energy to literally blow holes in people. They are capaite of rapid fire, possess largeI’m guessing most of us, conservatives included, would draw it somewhere just left of hand grenades, but right of handguns and hunting rifles. In this narrow band between hunting rifles and hand grenades lives a small subset of weapons designed for
the gun show loophole and require background checks. And yes, we want to ban military style weapons designed expressly to kill humans.The majority of us, who favor some form of gun control, don’t want your 9mm or your deer rifle. Hell, Im a notorious liberal and I keep a 12 gage for protection. We want to keep guns out of the hands of felons and the insane, and we want to close
amendment is sacrosanct. It just a matter of where we draw the line.Over and over again, I’ve heard the same arguments justifying a man’s need for an assault rifle. These arguments apply just as readily to hand grenades, rocket launchers and thermonuclear weapons. None of us really believe that the second
to get that the price is around $25K or more. The difference being the M16 and M4 can fire full-auto or burst. You speak of the deadly 5.56 round "blowing holes", many hunting rounds have more velocity, bullet weight and energy, and can take down biggerI’ve read that many of the Uvalde children were literally blown to pieces and unrecognizable.
Dale BushDale,
An AR15 is not an assault rifle, it is a semi-automatic rifle patterned after the M16 or M4 which ARE assault rifles, it is also illegal for civilians to own AR's unless made prior to 1986 and then you need a tax stamp for it. They are so rare and hard
As I said before, the problem isn't guns, it's people. Oh, and pistols are used in nearly two thirds of US firearm murders.
bumper
As its been pointed out over and over again, every other industrialized, civilized western democracies do not have these massacres. Are their citizens less deranged then Americans? Do Americans suffer from so much more mental illness? Can theirchildren run faster or hide better? No, the difference is the huge number of and easy access to weapons. ...
As its been pointed out over and over again, every other industrialized, civilized western democracies do not have these massacres. Are their citizens less deranged then Americans? Do Americans suffer from so much more mental illness? Can theirchildren run faster or hide better? No, the difference is the huge number of and easy access to weapons. And what are the two responses from the right, either ignore the killings or incredibly arm more people and add to the existing number of weapons in
The hardcore need to get past their paranoid delusion that background checks, limiting the purchase of AR15's to 21 years olds and their magazines to 10 rounds, means that the government is coming to take everyone's guns away.
This thread is worse than the Monkey-Sun-Penis one. And has NOTHING to do with soaring.Possibly a view from the LEFT?
No, a view from someone who thinks this newsgroup should be about soaring and soaring related topics. Not gun control, take that elsewhere.This thread is worse than the Monkey-Sun-Penis one. And has NOTHING to do with soaring.Possibly a view from the LEFT?
On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 11:28:02 PM UTC-7, bumper wrote:toward the most lethal on the right.
On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 4:18:58 PM UTC-7, twofiv...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 6:30:31 PM UTC-7, FZ wrote:
Uvalde, the place loaded with so many great memories for hundreds of glider pilots. Town of great hospitality to gliding community, site of the world's best soaring, and now suddenly.... the capital of school shootings.
My take,
Envision a straight line graph with a fist sized stone on the far left and a thermonuclear bomb on the far right. Each category of lethal weapon is placed on the graph according to its relative lethality. The least lethal to the left progressing
personally draw the vertical line on this grey scale of weaponry?
The second amendment (literally interpreted) suggests American citizens can own any weapon they please. But few among us actually believe the average citizen should own a shoulder launched anti aircraft rocket, or an armed F 18. Where do you
military use — specifically for efficiently killing people (the AR-15 and its counterparts). These weapons fire high velocity bullets possessing enough kinetic energy to literally blow holes in people. They are capaite of rapid fire, possess large
I’m guessing most of us, conservatives included, would draw it somewhere just left of hand grenades, but right of handguns and hunting rifles. In this narrow band between hunting rifles and hand grenades lives a small subset of weapons designed for
the gun show loophole and require background checks. And yes, we want to ban military style weapons designed expressly to kill humans.
The majority of us, who favor some form of gun control, don’t want your 9mm or your deer rifle. Hell, Im a notorious liberal and I keep a 12 gage for protection. We want to keep guns out of the hands of felons and the insane, and we want to close
amendment is sacrosanct. It just a matter of where we draw the line.
Over and over again, I’ve heard the same arguments justifying a man’s need for an assault rifle. These arguments apply just as readily to hand grenades, rocket launchers and thermonuclear weapons. None of us really believe that the second
hard to get that the price is around $25K or more. The difference being the M16 and M4 can fire full-auto or burst. You speak of the deadly 5.56 round "blowing holes", many hunting rounds have more velocity, bullet weight and energy, and can take downDale,
I’ve read that many of the Uvalde children were literally blown to pieces and unrecognizable.
Dale Bush
An AR15 is not an assault rifle, it is a semi-automatic rifle patterned after the M16 or M4 which ARE assault rifles, it is also illegal for civilians to own AR's unless made prior to 1986 and then you need a tax stamp for it. They are so rare and
children run faster or hide better? No, the difference is the huge number of and easy access to weapons. And what are the two responses from the right, either ignore the killings or incredibly arm more people and add to the existing number of weapons
As I said before, the problem isn't guns, it's people. Oh, and pistols are used in nearly two thirds of US firearm murders.
bumper
As its been pointed out over and over again, every other industrialized, civilized western democracies do not have these massacres. Are their citizens less deranged then Americans? Do Americans suffer from so much more mental illness? Can their
The hardcore need to get past their paranoid delusion that background checks, limiting the purchase of AR15's to 21 years olds and their magazines to 10 rounds, means that the government is coming to take everyone's guns away.
I need an Ar-15 to protect me from the government when they come to take my AR-15 away.
On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 7:54:14 PM UTC-7, s.bral...@gmail.com wrote:https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/gunmen-kill-worshippers-during-church-service-nigeria-media-2022-06-05/
I need an Ar-15 to protect me from the government when they come to take my AR-15 away.We are getting some sanctimonious bullshit here, like massacres ONLY occur in America:
https://www.cbsnews.com/feature/massacre-in-norway/
1. If you don't like a post, DON'T READ IT.
1. If you don't like a post, DON'T READ IT.If the information is not soaring related, DON'T POST IT.
With very few exception the vast responds on this thread don’t surprise me when seeing other posts from the same folks. Anyway, to me it only makes me feel better being on the right side of history and live among open minded folks.least that one doesn’t result in so many deaths.
Very well said Andy and few others. The rest, I wish you keep your opinions to yourself and talk about soaring instead. Indeed it is getting worse than the Monkey-Penis worshiper. I think I can guess his opinion. He sure enjoys his first amendment, at
Ramy
On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 5:32:54 PM UTC-7, gfbwi...@gmail.com wrote:
No, a view from someone who thinks this newsgroup should be about soaring and soaring related topics. Not gun control, take that elsewhere.This thread is worse than the Monkey-Sun-Penis one. And has NOTHING to do with soaring.Possibly a view from the LEFT?
You mean like open-minded folks who think men can have babies, andat least that one doesn’t result in so many deaths.
there's 63 genders now? Who think that destroying cities in "mostly
peaceful riots" is OK, and that legalized shoplifting by gangs in CA is
just dandy? Like teaching little white kids that they're evil racists
just because they're white?
Sounds like you aren't on the right side of history, you're on the LEFT.
On 6/7/22 19:16, Ramy wrote:
With very few exception the vast responds on this thread don’t surprise me when seeing other posts from the same folks. Anyway, to me it only makes me feel better being on the right side of history and live among open minded folks.
Very well said Andy and few others. The rest, I wish you keep your opinions to yourself and talk about soaring instead. Indeed it is getting worse than the Monkey-Penis worshiper. I think I can guess his opinion. He sure enjoys his first amendment,
Ramy
On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 5:32:54 PM UTC-7, gfbwi...@gmail.com wrote:
No, a view from someone who thinks this newsgroup should be about soaring and soaring related topics. Not gun control, take that elsewhere.This thread is worse than the Monkey-Sun-Penis one. And has NOTHING to do with soaring.Possibly a view from the LEFT?
You are confused, or spending too much time on facebook. I don’t know any person that fits your description. Yet I know many open minded folks. Now to make it more soaring related, will be interesting to compare the type of flying that liberals folksare doing vs conservative folks. I’ll see if I can talk the OLC guys into adding a party affiliation to OLC ;)
Ramyat least that one doesn’t result in so many deaths.
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:38:14 PM UTC-7, kinsell wrote:
You mean like open-minded folks who think men can have babies, and
there's 63 genders now? Who think that destroying cities in "mostly peaceful riots" is OK, and that legalized shoplifting by gangs in CA is just dandy? Like teaching little white kids that they're evil racists
just because they're white?
Sounds like you aren't on the right side of history, you're on the LEFT. On 6/7/22 19:16, Ramy wrote:
With very few exception the vast responds on this thread don’t surprise me when seeing other posts from the same folks. Anyway, to me it only makes me feel better being on the right side of history and live among open minded folks.
Very well said Andy and few others. The rest, I wish you keep your opinions to yourself and talk about soaring instead. Indeed it is getting worse than the Monkey-Penis worshiper. I think I can guess his opinion. He sure enjoys his first amendment,
Can't we all just get along? Old Bob, The PuristRamy
On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 5:32:54 PM UTC-7, gfbwi...@gmail.com wrote:
No, a view from someone who thinks this newsgroup should be about soaring and soaring related topics. Not gun control, take that elsewhere.This thread is worse than the Monkey-Sun-Penis one. And has NOTHING to do with soaring.Possibly a view from the LEFT?
Can't we all just get along? Old Bob, The Purist
Hey gfbwi, soaring topics are really not at the top of the food chain lately, most want to discuss their AK47 and banana clips. The soaring season is coming into full swing out west and there is no mention of good flights or reports of harrowing landouts.Can't we all just get along? Old Bob, The PuristOr better yet, move this conversation to talk.politics.guns. This group is for soaring topics.
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 7:55:44 AM UTC-4, gfbwi...@gmail.com<rubbish assertion snipped>
wrote:
Hey gfbwi, soaring topics are really not at the top of the foodCan't we all just get along? Old Bob, The PuristOr better yet, move this conversation to talk.politics.guns. This
group is for soaring topics.
chain late...
...The soaring season is coming into full swing out west and there ishttps://chessintheair.com/epic-first-ever-1000km-declared-fai-triangle-in-colorado/
no mention of good flights...
Fortunately I live in Europe. No guns, no school massacres.
jackass again.Fortunately I live in Europe. No guns, no school massacres.
This kind of comments are pissing me off. Typical situation where a European is pretending to be better than the American. I suggest in all fairness to your ignorance, that you educate yourself about the subject before you make yourself a complete
Op vrijdag 10 juni 2022 om 04:51:34 UTC+2 schreef ASM:jackass again.
Fortunately I live in Europe. No guns, no school massacres.
This kind of comments are pissing me off. Typical situation where a European is pretending to be better than the American. I suggest in all fairness to your ignorance, that you educate yourself about the subject before you make yourself a complete
I am not pretending to be better. I just illustrate the situation.
This kind of comments are pissing me off. Typical situation where a European is pretending to be better than the American. I suggest in all fairness to your ignorance, that you educate yourself about the subject before you make yourself a completejackass again.
Yes, there are more mass shootings in the USA than Europe, quite unfortunate but that being said I support the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment. Schools are supposed to be hardened and SROs are supposed to be present, the Uvalde situation should nothave happened and would not have if the SRO was doing his job.
Of course Europe sees mass shootings too and when you do they are DOOSIES. Anders Breivik I believe was his name? Killed 77 people in Norway and got 21 years in prison. And then attackers in France killed 130 people including 90 at the Bataclan theatre.Another 416 people were injured, almost 100 critically. Seven of the attackers were also killed. Then there were the Madrid train bombings of 2004, and don't forget the attacks on Charlie Hebdo offices and a Jewish supermarket in Paris that killed 17
Europe seems to import their crazies, we grow our own thank you. Most of our "mass" shooting are of the smaller categories, I think mass means 4 or more. Most of these are workplace violence, disgruntled workers who feel they were treated wrongly.Sam Colt made them all equal.
What I find amusing about the European system of permitting firearms is that in some countries "self defense" is not a legitimate reason for wanting a gun, I can think of no better a reason for wanting a firearm. As it is often said, God made man and
Be careful out there my friends, it's becoming a dangerous world.
Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot.
"...but that being said I support the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment..."
Some of us Europeans have learned a few detailsthat country, and so were the Twin Towers, and so is the US Capitol in Washington DC.
700 mass shootings (of 4 or more people being shot) a year, 20,000 deaths from non-suicide use of guns. That 2 a day average is sustained, and there have been over 30 more incidents since the one in Uvalde
About as many guns in your country as people, but three-quarters don't own any.
The last and indeed only mass shooting in a UK school was over 25 years ago. We average about 1 mass shooting per decade.
Someone on here tried diversion by saying ramming attacks with vehicles is an emerging European phenomenon, which doesn't happen in USA, but Colorado, North Carolina, Ohio, Virginia, New York, Wisconsin, Maryland, Nevada, California, and others are in
Whatever happens to solve all this waste of life and national productivity, or doesn't, it's up to you folks, and we outsiders might indeed be mystified by some of it. Taking rhetorical sideswipes at separate subjects or independent observers elsewhereisn't going to help you.
On Friday, 10 June 2022 at 03:51:34 UTC+1, ASM wrote:jackass again.
This kind of comments are pissing me off. Typical situation where a European is pretending to be better than the American. I suggest in all fairness to your ignorance, that you educate yourself about the subject before you make yourself a complete
On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 5:23:17 PM UTC-7, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
"...but that being said I support the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment..."
What gets me are comments like this, implying that you can't support the Constitution, the 2nd Amendment, background checks, making 30 round magazines illegal and other sane limits at the same time.
Now, who thinks wrestling is phony?
Now, who thinks wrestling is phony?What?? Wrestling is phony? Say it ain't so! It's on TV, it HAS to be real!
Yes, there are more mass shootings in the USA than Europe, quite unfortunate but that being said I support the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment. Schools are supposed to be hardened and SROs are supposed to be present, the Uvalde situation should nothave happened and would not have if the SRO was doing his job.
Of course Europe sees mass shootings too and when you do they are DOOSIES. Anders Breivik I believe was his name? Killed 77 people in Norway and got 21 years in prison. And then attackers in France killed 130 people including 90 at the Bataclan theatre.Another 416 people were injured, almost 100 critically. Seven of the attackers were also killed. Then there were the Madrid train bombings of 2004, and don't forget the attacks on Charlie Hebdo offices and a Jewish supermarket in Paris that killed 17
Europe seems to import their crazies, we grow our own thank you. Most of our "mass" shooting are of the smaller categories, I think mass means 4 or more. Most of these are workplace violence, disgruntled workers who feel they were treated wrongly.Sam Colt made them all equal.
What I find amusing about the European system of permitting firearms is that in some countries "self defense" is not a legitimate reason for wanting a gun, I can think of no better a reason for wanting a firearm. As it is often said, God made man and
Be careful out there my friends, it's becoming a dangerous world.
Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot.
In short, if you make it profitable to increase gun safety, reduce mass shootings, etc., it will happen. Follow the money. Everyone else does.
I guarantee you that the demented douche bag that shoots at innocents
will not have insurance.
Dan
5J
On 6/12/22 10:36, Matt Herron Jr. wrote:
In short, if you make it profitable to increase gun safety, reduce mass shootings, etc., it will happen. Follow the money. Everyone else does.
On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 12:01:00 PM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:and not have insurance…………….I’ll bet half our 400 million guns would be turned in rather than the possibility of being found guilty of uninsured gun ownership!
I guarantee you that the demented douche bag that shoots at innocents
will not have insurance.
DanThat’s a great idea, Matt, but it would have to be implemented at the State level…………. No way that would get past our NRA owned Senate! Make a gun buyer show he’s got gun ownership insurance before he can buy! Make it a felony to own a gun
5J
On 6/12/22 10:36, Matt Herron Jr. wrote:
In short, if you make it profitable to increase gun safety, reduce mass shootings, etc., it will happen. Follow the money. Everyone else does.
JJNot a great idea JJ, the facts speak for themselves. The NRA consist of 5 million DUES PAYING members, the NRA developed and implemented the best gun safety programs in the country today. All of the certified gun ranges and shooting courses that I have
On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 12:01:00 PM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:and not have insurance…………….I’ll bet half our 400 million guns would be turned in rather than the possibility of being found guilty of uninsured gun ownership!
I guarantee you that the demented douche bag that shoots at innocents
will not have insurance.
DanThat’s a great idea, Matt, but it would have to be implemented at the State level…………. No way that would get past our NRA owned Senate! Make a gun buyer show he’s got gun ownership insurance before he can buy! Make it a felony to own a gun
5J
On 6/12/22 10:36, Matt Herron Jr. wrote:
In short, if you make it profitable to increase gun safety, reduce mass shootings, etc., it will happen. Follow the money. Everyone else does.
JJ
On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 5:05:08 PM UTC-4, johnsin...@yahoo.com wrote:gun and not have insurance…………….I’ll bet half our 400 million guns would be turned in rather than the possibility of being found guilty of uninsured gun ownership!
On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 12:01:00 PM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
I guarantee you that the demented douche bag that shoots at innocents will not have insurance.
DanThat’s a great idea, Matt, but it would have to be implemented at the State level…………. No way that would get past our NRA owned Senate! Make a gun buyer show he’s got gun ownership insurance before he can buy! Make it a felony to own a
5J
On 6/12/22 10:36, Matt Herron Jr. wrote:
In short, if you make it profitable to increase gun safety, reduce mass shootings, etc., it will happen. Follow the money. Everyone else does.
for gas and groceries.JJMake it a felony to own a gun and not have insurance? Interesting. I'm sure insurance premiums would be quite high and people living paycheck to paycheck might be precluded from owning a means of self defense. Right now many are finding it hard to pay
I believe someone in a previous post suggested that the 2nd Amendment didn't cover ammunition? I'm quite confident that when the founding fathers wrote the 2nd Amendment it was understood that the right to keep and bear arms would include the means tomake the weapon effective, ergo ammunition.
Personally I'd like to see the age to purchase any weapon raised to 21 or 25 and also to drink alcohol and vote. I'm a big proponent of training too, I've watched irresponsible adults with a new rifle or pistol or AR15 on the range not realize thatthey still have one in the chamber after they drop the magazine or not understanding that the rules require that you keep the muzzle pointed DOWN RANGE at all times. I had military training on the M16 and while not the same weapon the AF15 operates quite
There are no easy answers but usurping rights of American Citizens is not the way to go. Have you noticed that when the AK47 raises its ugly head in Europe it's in the hands of terrorists?
Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot.
On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 5:05:08 PM UTC-4, johnsin...@yahoo.com wrote:gun and not have insurance…………….I’ll bet half our 400 million guns would be turned in rather than the possibility of being found guilty of uninsured gun ownership!
On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 12:01:00 PM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
I guarantee you that the demented douche bag that shoots at innocents will not have insurance.
DanThat’s a great idea, Matt, but it would have to be implemented at the State level…………. No way that would get past our NRA owned Senate! Make a gun buyer show he’s got gun ownership insurance before he can buy! Make it a felony to own a
5J
On 6/12/22 10:36, Matt Herron Jr. wrote:
In short, if you make it profitable to increase gun safety, reduce mass shootings, etc., it will happen. Follow the money. Everyone else does.
ever been involved with are all NRA certified with NRA certified instructors. Also, the NRA has the largest child safety program in the world for shooting. I would venture to say that none of these idiots that shoot up innocent people are NRA members orJJNot a great idea JJ, the facts speak for themselves. The NRA consist of 5 million DUES PAYING members, the NRA developed and implemented the best gun safety programs in the country today. All of the certified gun ranges and shooting courses that I have
Now getting insurance companies involved in gun safety or firearms control is ludicrous, maybe there should be a outreach of civic organizations developing neighborhood gun safety classes in cities like Chicago and New Orleans, Detroit, LA, Baltimore,Atlanta, Houston and I could go on and on.
Our 14 year old AVA Shelly who recently did her solo flight is a national shooting champion, and she is a member of the NRA! Also, a straight A student now visiting the Naval Academy with big plans for the future. I too have many guns, including anAK47, many pistols and long guns as well. I guess you think that this makes me some type of criminal that needs to be verified for gun ownership by some insurance company. .Contrary to what the lefties think, guns are not the problem, it is the idiots
I am very much in favor of raising the legal age for gun purchasing and ownership, maybe we can raise the voting age as well, last time I looked the Democrats wanted to lower the voting age to 16 with no ID.
You want to fix this problem, fix the people first that is the problem. Old Bob, The Purist
Dan & Walt,though. Why? Liability for the consequences of owning a gun would be too expensive for them to cover for free, because it is a huge liability. A liability that is currently ignored. In fact, the NRA does the exact opposite, coming to the legal defense of
The NRA is just doing what it was designed to do, including promoting gun safety, etc. as you point out. Perhaps they should offer legal liability protection to every NRA member that owns a gun for free. I would totally support that. It won't happen
As for gun insurance being too expensive for those that can't afford gas, the free market will settle on a price that is APPROPRIATE for the coverage. You don't get to drive a car without insurance, even though it is a hardship as well. Take the busuntil you can. Pick some other means of self defense like pepper spray until you can afford the gun+insurance. And no, no one assumes you are a criminal because you own lots of guns, but everyone, including the good guys should be liable for that
Matt
On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 10:16:52 PM UTC-4, Matt Herron Jr. wrote:though. Why? Liability for the consequences of owning a gun would be too expensive for them to cover for free, because it is a huge liability. A liability that is currently ignored. In fact, the NRA does the exact opposite, coming to the legal defense of
Dan & Walt,
The NRA is just doing what it was designed to do, including promoting gun safety, etc. as you point out. Perhaps they should offer legal liability protection to every NRA member that owns a gun for free. I would totally support that. It won't happen
until you can. Pick some other means of self defense like pepper spray until you can afford the gun+insurance. And no, no one assumes you are a criminal because you own lots of guns, but everyone, including the good guys should be liable for thatAs for gun insurance being too expensive for those that can't afford gas, the free market will settle on a price that is APPROPRIATE for the coverage. You don't get to drive a car without insurance, even though it is a hardship as well. Take the bus
be buying liability insurance? How about the gang bangers who shoot each other daily in Chicago, NY, LA and other cesspool, Democratic run cities?MattLiable for ownership? What am I missing here? We are all responsible for our individual actions, insurance our not. Not sure what mass purchase of liability insurance would do to stem the tide of mass shootings. Do you think these school shooters would
As for the NRA coming to the defense of gun manufacturers, manufacture of guns is a legally permitted industry. Is the auto industry sued each time a car kills someone? How about the booze industry? How about both of those industries when a drunkdriver kills a family? No liability insurance would pay off for an intentional act like murder, mass or otherwise.
I'm not a member of the NRA and I would wager to say that gang bangers and school shooters are not either. For much of my life I have been an avid target shooter, hunted some but don't care for getting up before dawn to sit in a tree stand. Wasqualified as Expert Marksman in the Air Force with the M16 and .38 aircrew revolver. What I would like to see is some training required for purchase of a firearm if you have not previous military training which is 90 percent of the buying public. This
Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 2:40:11 AM UTC-4, Tom Desjardins wrote:...
One thing that makes most belligerent countries hesitant to attempt a land take over of the USA is the unquestioned ability of the citizenry to respond with significant resistance....
Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
Gee, Matt, to follow your logic I must assume that there are no
uninsured motorists on the road. There can't be because the law
requires liability insurance to register a car.
So I guess you believe that the same people who drive without insurance
will actually buy insurance to own a firearm. You would just punish law abiding citizens with such stupid suggestions.
One thing that makes most belligerent countries hesitant to attempt a land take over of the USA is the unquestioned ability of the citizenry to respond with significant resistance. Switzerland makes every male citizen a soldier and this has stood thetest of time for them quite well.
Dan & Walt,though. Why? Liability for the consequences of owning a gun would be too expensive for them to cover for free, because it is a huge liability. A liability that is currently ignored. In fact, the NRA does the exact opposite, coming to the legal
The NRA is just doing what it was designed to do, including promoting gun safety, etc. as you point out. Perhaps they should offer legal liability protection to every NRA member that owns a gun for free. I would totally support that. It won't happen
As for gun insurance being too expensive for those that can't afford gas, the free market will settle on a price that is APPROPRIATE for the coverage. You don't get to drive a car without insurance, even though it is a hardship as well. Take the busuntil you can. Pick some other means of self defense like pepper spray until you can afford the gun+insurance. And no, no one assumes you are a criminal because you own lots of guns, but everyone, including the good guys should be liable for that
Mattgun and not have insurance…………….I’ll bet half our 400 million guns would be turned in rather than the possibility of being found guilty of uninsured gun ownership!
On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 5:29:48 PM UTC-7, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 5:05:08 PM UTC-4, johnsin...@yahoo.com wrote: >>> On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 12:01:00 PM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
I guarantee you that the demented douche bag that shoots at innocentsThat’s a great idea, Matt, but it would have to be implemented at the State level…………. No way that would get past our NRA owned Senate! Make a gun buyer show he’s got gun ownership insurance before he can buy! Make it a felony to own a
will not have insurance.
Dan
5J
On 6/12/22 10:36, Matt Herron Jr. wrote:
In short, if you make it profitable to increase gun safety, reduce mass shootings, etc., it will happen. Follow the money. Everyone else does.
for gas and groceries.JJMake it a felony to own a gun and not have insurance? Interesting. I'm sure insurance premiums would be quite high and people living paycheck to paycheck might be precluded from owning a means of self defense. Right now many are finding it hard to pay
make the weapon effective, ergo ammunition.
I believe someone in a previous post suggested that the 2nd Amendment didn't cover ammunition? I'm quite confident that when the founding fathers wrote the 2nd Amendment it was understood that the right to keep and bear arms would include the means to
they still have one in the chamber after they drop the magazine or not understanding that the rules require that you keep the muzzle pointed DOWN RANGE at all times. I had military training on the M16 and while not the same weapon the AF15 operates quite
Personally I'd like to see the age to purchase any weapon raised to 21 or 25 and also to drink alcohol and vote. I'm a big proponent of training too, I've watched irresponsible adults with a new rifle or pistol or AR15 on the range not realize that
There are no easy answers but usurping rights of American Citizens is not the way to go. Have you noticed that when the AK47 raises its ugly head in Europe it's in the hands of terrorists?
Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot.
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 2:30:41 PM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:requiring people to have liability insurance to drive is punishment?
Gee, Matt, to follow your logic I must assume that there are no
uninsured motorists on the road. There can't be because the law
requires liability insurance to register a car.
So I guess you believe that the same people who drive without insurance
will actually buy insurance to own a firearm. You would just punish law
abiding citizens with such stupid suggestions.
Regardless of how effective this idea is, I'm not following your logic here. People will always break the law and drive (or own a weapon) without insurance. Are you claiming that's a reason not to pass requirements and limits? Do you believe that
Don't follow my logic?
What is so difficult to understand? Do you really think that the
requirement for liability insurance would prevent someone from shooting
up the work place, mall, school, church, etc., if he got that idea into
his head?
I can see that there is no benefit to continuing this discussion so I'll
bow out.
Dan
5J
Don't follow my logic?requiring people to have liability insurance to drive is punishment?
What is so difficult to understand? Do you really think that the
requirement for liability insurance would prevent someone from shooting
up the work place, mall, school, church, etc., if he got that idea into
his head?
I can see that there is no benefit to continuing this discussion so I'll
bow out.
Dan
5J
On 6/13/22 16:10, Tom Desjardins wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 2:30:41 PM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
Gee, Matt, to follow your logic I must assume that there are no
uninsured motorists on the road. There can't be because the law
requires liability insurance to register a car.
So I guess you believe that the same people who drive without insurance >> will actually buy insurance to own a firearm. You would just punish law >> abiding citizens with such stupid suggestions.
Regardless of how effective this idea is, I'm not following your logic here. People will always break the law and drive (or own a weapon) without insurance. Are you claiming that's a reason not to pass requirements and limits? Do you believe that
On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 8:03:32 AM UTC-5, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 2:40:11 AM UTC-4, Tom Desjardins wrote:...
One thing that makes most belligerent countries hesitant to attempt a land take over of the USA is the unquestioned ability of the citizenry to respond with significant resistance....
Walt ConnellyReally? You don't think nuclear missiles and a military that is larger than the next 10 largest militaries in the world combined don't have something to do with that?
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
Rich L.
It is amazing how both sides of any argument/discussion can feel they are right. The bottom line is the 2nd Amendment gives us the right to keep and bear arms, or keep an armed bear or bare our behinds as many of us have done.with a firearm. Coming from a family of lawyers these policies were strongly suggested to me.
Biden likes to say that Americans are in favor of sensible gun laws but he doesn't point out exactly what those laws might be. In the end I am sure his purpose is to disarm the entire populace. We are lucky we have a Constitution.
I carry a 2 million dollar blanket policy in addition to my house insurance (have you ever read the exclusions and limitations on these policies?) and have a policy with CCW SAFE which provides legal assistance in case one needs to defend ones self
I believe I have made my position abundantly clear. I still think wrestling is phony.
Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 6:19:31 AM UTC-7, waltco...@aol.com wrote:with a firearm. Coming from a family of lawyers these policies were strongly suggested to me.
It is amazing how both sides of any argument/discussion can feel they are right. The bottom line is the 2nd Amendment gives us the right to keep and bear arms, or keep an armed bear or bare our behinds as many of us have done.
Biden likes to say that Americans are in favor of sensible gun laws but he doesn't point out exactly what those laws might be. In the end I am sure his purpose is to disarm the entire populace. We are lucky we have a Constitution.
I carry a 2 million dollar blanket policy in addition to my house insurance (have you ever read the exclusions and limitations on these policies?) and have a policy with CCW SAFE which provides legal assistance in case one needs to defend ones self
paranoid fantasies put forth by gun manufactures, their lobbyists, FOX news and the NRA. There're extremists on both sides, some who want an outright ban on all guns and others who want the right to carry full auto long guns. Neither will ever happen.I believe I have made my position abundantly clear. I still think wrestling is phony.I agree, everyone's positions on the limits of the 2nd are pretty much set in stone. Biden is just reflecting Americans long stymied desire for sensible gun laws and his proposals have been quite clear. Look at what he's actually proposing, not
Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
I'm fine with background checks and after having run a few on friends I was considering selling a gun to (Instant Checkmate or Been Verified) I opted not to do so. You would be surprised at those whom you know in your social circle who are wife beatersand substance abusers among other things. Even GLIDER PILOTS.
God knows that this will fall on deaf ears but ...
the Uvalde tragedy and gun control discussions have only
the very barest of associations with soaring
and doesn't belong here on RAS. Try rec.guns instead.
My 0.02. EOL
John (OHM)
On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 10:14:54 AM UTC-6, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:
God knows that this will fall on deaf ears but ...
the Uvalde tragedy and gun control discussions have only
the very barest of associations with soaring
and doesn't belong here on RAS. Try rec.guns instead.
My 0.02. EOL
John (OHM)We are all humans with emotions - expressing them is better than acting upon them.
Tom
On Thursday, June 16, 2022 at 5:59:07 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 10:14:54 AM UTC-6, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:
God knows that this will fall on deaf ears but ...
the Uvalde tragedy and gun control discussions have only
the very barest of associations with soaring
and doesn't belong here on RAS. Try rec.guns instead.
My 0.02. EOL
John (OHM)We are all humans with emotions - expressing them is better than acting upon them.
Tomhttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-25/norwegian-police-say-2-killed-in-mass-shooting-in-oslo
On Saturday, June 25, 2022 at 12:19:09 AM UTC-4, ASM wrote:
On Thursday, June 16, 2022 at 5:59:07 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 10:14:54 AM UTC-6, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:
God knows that this will fall on deaf ears but ...
the Uvalde tragedy and gun control discussions have only
the very barest of associations with soaring
and doesn't belong here on RAS. Try rec.guns instead.
My 0.02. EOL
John (OHM)We are all humans with emotions - expressing them is better than acting upon them.
Tomhttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-25/norwegian-police-say-2-killed-in-mass-shooting-in-oslo
Well John DeRosa OHM, apparently you have met too much resistance but there is a lot of gliding/soaring in Norway I sure. Yes, we have more mass shootings in the USofA compared to European countries and other geographical areas, unfortunate to say theleast. If there is one common thread among these actions it would most likely be mental illness. Mental illness knows no boundaries, exists in every ethnicity, country, state, whatever and always will. Even in a weapons restricted environment if one want
I have many friends in Europe, mostly in Sweden and Switzerland and they tell me that unchecked mass migration seems to be the driving culprit. We are experiencing the same situation here in the land of the free and the home of the brave and it's onlya matter of time until we see the end result of a clash of cultures. When those who come here and see what the haves have and they, the have nots have not, well you can decide for yourself. We have done an amazing job cultivating our own nut cases and
Keep your eyes open, your back to the wall and always have an exit strategy. Anyone who spent the evening in a cafe in Saigon in the 60s and 70s will understand.
Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
Well John DeRosa OHM, apparently you have met too much resistance but there is a lot of gliding/soaring in Norway I sure. Yes, we have more mass shootings in the USofA compared to European countries and other geographical areas, unfortunate to say theleast. If there is one common thread among these actions it would most likely be mental illness. Mental illness knows no boundaries, exists in every ethnicity, country, state, whatever and always will. Even in a weapons restricted environment if one want
I have many friends in Europe, mostly in Sweden and Switzerland and they tell me that unchecked mass migration seems to be the driving culprit. We are experiencing the same situation here in the land of the free and the home of the brave and it's onlya matter of time until we see the end result of a clash of cultures. When those who come here and see what the haves have and they, the have nots have not, well you can decide for yourself. We have done an amazing job cultivating our own nut cases and
Keep your eyes open, your back to the wall and always have an exit strategy. Anyone who spent the evening in a cafe in Saigon in the 60s and 70s will understand.
Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
The territory now known as United States of America has hundreds of years of history of immigration from the rest of the world. It is not unknown for its surviving indigenous peoples to occasionally satirically joke that America discovered Columbus,and he was lost..
Can you truly be suggesting that all this migration has created and concentrated the murderous problems you have there, more than exist in the countries your ancestors departed from? What might be a solution to this, send them all home? Where to?the least. If there is one common thread among these actions it would most likely be mental illness. Mental illness knows no boundaries, exists in every ethnicity, country, state, whatever and always will. Even in a weapons restricted environment if one
On Saturday, 25 June 2022 at 13:36:21 UTC+1, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
Well John DeRosa OHM, apparently you have met too much resistance but there is a lot of gliding/soaring in Norway I sure. Yes, we have more mass shootings in the USofA compared to European countries and other geographical areas, unfortunate to say
only a matter of time until we see the end result of a clash of cultures. When those who come here and see what the haves have and they, the have nots have not, well you can decide for yourself. We have done an amazing job cultivating our own nut casesI have many friends in Europe, mostly in Sweden and Switzerland and they tell me that unchecked mass migration seems to be the driving culprit. We are experiencing the same situation here in the land of the free and the home of the brave and it's
Keep your eyes open, your back to the wall and always have an exit strategy. Anyone who spent the evening in a cafe in Saigon in the 60s and 70s will understand.
Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
Europe has become a shit hole, ask any Swede who lives in Malmo. The Prime Minister has acknowledge that immigration has failed, there are parallels societies in conflict with each other. I have a personal friend who will tell you that it is worse thanthe authorities acknowledge. Recently more than 100 police were injured in riots with immigrant gangs. London is experiencing similar problems as do many other European cities. The Supreme Court of the USofA has said that OUR police have no duty to
Walt Connelly
Former Tow PIlot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
than the authorities acknowledge. Recently more than 100 police were injured in riots with immigrant gangs. London is experiencing similar problems as do many other European cities. The Supreme Court of the USofA has said that OUR police have no duty toEurope has become a shit hole, ask any Swede who lives in Malmo. The Prime Minister has acknowledge that immigration has failed, there are parallels societies in conflict with each other. I have a personal friend who will tell you that it is worse
talking about.Walt ConnellyHi guys
Former Tow PIlot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
A glider pilot since 53 years, 4 500 gliding hours, I was born and have lived all my life in Malmö. What are you talking about Walt????? Obviously you have not been here.
Malmö is a nice city, 350 000 inhabitants, from 178 countries, so it is an international city, only 20 minutes from Copenhagen, Denmark, which is even nicer. I suppose you have not been here, so actually you do not have the slightest idea what you are
You are welcome to visit us and see what it is like. While you are here I can offer you a ride in my ASG 32 Mi and a beer afterwards.
/Robert
than the authorities acknowledge. Recently more than 100 police were injured in riots with immigrant gangs. London is experiencing similar problems as do many other European cities. The Supreme Court of the USofA has said that OUR police have no duty toEurope has become a shit hole, ask any Swede who lives in Malmo. The Prime Minister has acknowledge that immigration has failed, there are parallels societies in conflict with each other. I have a personal friend who will tell you that it is worse
talking about.Walt ConnellyHi guys
Former Tow PIlot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
A glider pilot since 53 years, 4 500 gliding hours, I was born and have lived all my life in Malmö. What are you talking about Walt????? Obviously you have not been here.
Malmö is a nice city, 350 000 inhabitants, from 178 countries, so it is an international city, only 20 minutes from Copenhagen, Denmark, which is even nicer. I suppose you have not been here, so actually you do not have the slightest idea what you are
You are welcome to visit us and see what it is like. While you are here I can offer you a ride in my ASG 32 Mi and a beer afterwards.
/Robert
On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 10:38:27 AM UTC-4, robert....@gmail.com wrote:than the authorities acknowledge. Recently more than 100 police were injured in riots with immigrant gangs. London is experiencing similar problems as do many other European cities. The Supreme Court of the USofA has said that OUR police have no duty to
Europe has become a shit hole, ask any Swede who lives in Malmo. The Prime Minister has acknowledge that immigration has failed, there are parallels societies in conflict with each other. I have a personal friend who will tell you that it is worse
are talking about.Walt ConnellyHi guys
Former Tow PIlot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
A glider pilot since 53 years, 4 500 gliding hours, I was born and have lived all my life in Malmö. What are you talking about Walt????? Obviously you have not been here.
Malmö is a nice city, 350 000 inhabitants, from 178 countries, so it is an international city, only 20 minutes from Copenhagen, Denmark, which is even nicer. I suppose you have not been here, so actually you do not have the slightest idea what you
sailing. It is his comments to me which color my perception of Malmo along with several articles about riots and no go zones. Of course the chamber of commerce and politicians wish to gloss over the problems which is their job.You are welcome to visit us and see what it is like. While you are here I can offer you a ride in my ASG 32 Mi and a beer afterwards.
/RobertThank you Robert for the invitation but I have been to Sweden albeit 50 years ago when I befriended a Swede who worked at the American Embassy. He is now a retired member of your military and government who moved to Malmo to engage in his hobby of
Ingrid Carlqvist, editor-in-chief of Swedish newspaper Dispatch International has said "For years European authorities have denied any problem with Muslim immigration, but now crisis is exploding and is getting worse, with the number of so called “no-go” areas in Sweden rising." Is she making this up?
As recently as April 28th Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson said " Sweden has failed to integrate the vast numbers of immigrants it has taken in over the past two decades, leading to parallel societies and gang violence." She has begun a number ofinitiatives to combat organized crime.
Amnesty International has been critical of Sweden's tightening of policies, claiming it is causing human suffering and making integration even harder for immigrants. So I guess Amnesty International's answer is to step back and do nothing to quell thelawlessness? Bad idea.
In 2015, Swedes took immense pride in the country’s decision to accept 163,000 refugees, most from Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan. “ Europe takes in refugees, Europe doesn’t build walls.” was the heroic rhetoric of an all-but-vanished Sweden. TheSocial Democrats now deploy the harsh language only far-right nativists of the Sweden Democrats party used in 2015. Indeed, a social democratic organ recently noted with satisfaction that since “all major parties today stand for a restrictive migration
I'm fine with immigration but it must be controlled. Immigrants must assimilate, must integrate themselves into the society into which they have come.
Believe me, we have our own shitholes here in the USofA. New York, Chicago, Portland, San Francisco and Los Angeles among them, aided by do nothing politicians and District Attorneys who are soft on crime.
I'm sure there are some nice areas of Malmo as there are nice areas everywhere but nice areas become not so nice as permissiveness becomes the law of the land.
Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
Thank you Robert for the invitation but I have been to Sweden albeit 50 years ago when I befriended a Swede who worked at the American Embassy. He is now a retired member of your military and government who moved to Malmo to engage in his hobby ofsailing. It is his comments to me which color my perception of Malmo along with several articles about riots and no go zones. Of course the chamber of commerce and politicians wish to gloss over the problems which is their job.
Ingrid Carlqvist, editor-in-chief of Swedish newspaper Dispatch International has said "For years European authorities have denied any problem with Muslim immigration, but now crisis is exploding and is getting worse, with the number of so called “no-go” areas in Sweden rising." Is she making this up?
On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 13:14:20 UTC+1, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
Ingrid Carlqvist, editor-in-chief of Swedish newspaper Dispatch International has said ...
Is this place going to become a haven for promoting far right extremism and hatred of Islam?frequently, so he then set up his own organisation. He has a criminal record far longer than most people's arms, for fraud (including illegal entry to the USA with false documents), violence, drugs, and other offences, including contempt of court.
I hadn't heard of that small non-news organisation, so I looked it up.
I can't say I've heard of all the named contributors, but the Briton Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, with the more populist pseudonym Tommy Robinson, was formerly a member of one of our tiny neo-fascist parties. These people fall out with each other quite
He doesn't speak for our country, only a few hundred extremists.sailing. It is his comments to me which color my perception of Malmo along with several articles about riots and no go zones. Of course the chamber of commerce and politicians wish to gloss over the problems which is their job.
I'd take a wild guess some of the other diatribes published there might be similar. Certainly there are biographies of Carlqvist alleging she is a white supremacist promoting hatred of Islam.
So to answer your question, is she making this up, quite possibly yes.
Try some more balanced reporting.
On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 13:14:20 UTC+1, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
Thank you Robert for the invitation but I have been to Sweden albeit 50 years ago when I befriended a Swede who worked at the American Embassy. He is now a retired member of your military and government who moved to Malmo to engage in his hobby of
no-go” areas in Sweden rising." Is she making this up?Ingrid Carlqvist, editor-in-chief of Swedish newspaper Dispatch International has said "For years European authorities have denied any problem with Muslim immigration, but now crisis is exploding and is getting worse, with the number of so called “
On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 7:38:27 AM UTC-7, robert....@gmail.com wrote:than the authorities acknowledge. Recently more than 100 police were injured in riots with immigrant gangs. London is experiencing similar problems as do many other European cities. The Supreme Court of the USofA has said that OUR police have no duty to
Europe has become a shit hole, ask any Swede who lives in Malmo. The Prime Minister has acknowledge that immigration has failed, there are parallels societies in conflict with each other. I have a personal friend who will tell you that it is worse
are talking about.Walt ConnellyHi guys
Former Tow PIlot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
A glider pilot since 53 years, 4 500 gliding hours, I was born and have lived all my life in Malmö. What are you talking about Walt????? Obviously you have not been here.
Malmö is a nice city, 350 000 inhabitants, from 178 countries, so it is an international city, only 20 minutes from Copenhagen, Denmark, which is even nicer. I suppose you have not been here, so actually you do not have the slightest idea what you
coastal cities and most states where all those immigrants of color live, they're shit holes too. I kid because I care ;)You are welcome to visit us and see what it is like. While you are here I can offer you a ride in my ASG 32 Mi and a beer afterwards.
/RobertWell as it seems the subject has morphed from massacres and sensible limits on guns to politics, I'll make another comment.
Many conservatives tend to be, by various degrees, xenophobic who view Europe and most of the rest of the world for that matter as shit holes. For the far right, America is the only garden spot and that only includes our mostly white interior, all our
To briefly add to my previous post. Walt, this is not a newspaper.since 2012, when it failed to submit an annual registration form and £25 fee to our Electoral Commission.
One of its websites has disappeared, and the other shows no new articles since December 2013. A Facebook page has a few links to articles elsewhere as recently as 2015 or 2016. A different small UK neo-fascist party they were quoting hasn't existed
As per my previous comment, try some more balanced reporting.
These displacement mechanisms, talking about exaggerated or non-existent problems elsewhere in the world, aren't going to solve gun issues in your country.
On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 13:14:20 UTC+1, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
Ingrid Carlqvist, editor-in-chief of Swedish newspaper Dispatch International has said ...
On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 12:17:11 AM UTC-4, andy l wrote:since 2012, when it failed to submit an annual registration form and £25 fee to our Electoral Commission.
To briefly add to my previous post. Walt, this is not a newspaper.
One of its websites has disappeared, and the other shows no new articles since December 2013. A Facebook page has a few links to articles elsewhere as recently as 2015 or 2016. A different small UK neo-fascist party they were quoting hasn't existed
problem in this country? The gun laws in this country are designed around responsible owners not some nutcase that commits terrible acts. We have a legal problem, soft on crime progressive DA's, defund the POPO crazies and liberal agendas that do nothingAs per my previous comment, try some more balanced reporting.
These displacement mechanisms, talking about exaggerated or non-existent problems elsewhere in the world, aren't going to solve gun issues in your country.
On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 13:14:20 UTC+1, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
Ingrid Carlqvist, editor-in-chief of Swedish newspaper Dispatch International has said ...
Andy, we do not have gun issues, we have people issues and illegal immigration issues, just yesterday a truck was found parked with 40 something dead illegals that were entering this country illegally. So, I guess you would say that we have a truck
On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 8:29:29 AM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:since 2012, when it failed to submit an annual registration form and £25 fee to our Electoral Commission.
On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 12:17:11 AM UTC-4, andy l wrote:
To briefly add to my previous post. Walt, this is not a newspaper.
One of its websites has disappeared, and the other shows no new articles since December 2013. A Facebook page has a few links to articles elsewhere as recently as 2015 or 2016. A different small UK neo-fascist party they were quoting hasn't existed
problem in this country? The gun laws in this country are designed around responsible owners not some nutcase that commits terrible acts. We have a legal problem, soft on crime progressive DA's, defund the POPO crazies and liberal agendas that do nothingAs per my previous comment, try some more balanced reporting.
These displacement mechanisms, talking about exaggerated or non-existent problems elsewhere in the world, aren't going to solve gun issues in your country.
On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 13:14:20 UTC+1, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
Ingrid Carlqvist, editor-in-chief of Swedish newspaper Dispatch International has said ...
Andy, we do not have gun issues, we have people issues and illegal immigration issues, just yesterday a truck was found parked with 40 something dead illegals that were entering this country illegally. So, I guess you would say that we have a truck
Europe has their crazies too. "Ethnic Dane?" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62030919
Of course the authorities will sweep this under the rug, nothing to see here, move on. These things don't happen in Europe, everyone gets along just fine and our immigrants are peaceful and happy.
Walt
mandag den 4. juli 2022 kl. 10.59.49 UTC+2 skrev waltco...@aol.com:existed since 2012, when it failed to submit an annual registration form and £25 fee to our Electoral Commission.
On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 8:29:29 AM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 12:17:11 AM UTC-4, andy l wrote:
To briefly add to my previous post. Walt, this is not a newspaper.
One of its websites has disappeared, and the other shows no new articles since December 2013. A Facebook page has a few links to articles elsewhere as recently as 2015 or 2016. A different small UK neo-fascist party they were quoting hasn't
problem in this country? The gun laws in this country are designed around responsible owners not some nutcase that commits terrible acts. We have a legal problem, soft on crime progressive DA's, defund the POPO crazies and liberal agendas that do nothingAs per my previous comment, try some more balanced reporting.
These displacement mechanisms, talking about exaggerated or non-existent problems elsewhere in the world, aren't going to solve gun issues in your country.
On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 13:14:20 UTC+1, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
Ingrid Carlqvist, editor-in-chief of Swedish newspaper Dispatch International has said ...
Andy, we do not have gun issues, we have people issues and illegal immigration issues, just yesterday a truck was found parked with 40 something dead illegals that were entering this country illegally. So, I guess you would say that we have a truck
Europe has their crazies too. "Ethnic Dane?" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62030919
Of course the authorities will sweep this under the rug, nothing to see here, move on. These things don't happen in Europe, everyone gets along just fine and our immigrants are peaceful and happy.
WaltUnfortunately we do from time to time. And it's well known here that the psychiatric hospitals are underfunded. The Hells Angels and likes we do seem to have gotten kicked into the corner.
You've got no clue what the authorities will do about this. We do live in a country where noone thinks it's necessary to possess weapons in order to defend themselves. We've got trust among people.
You're referring to a british media for christ sake - WTF. Take your whataboutism elsewhere and show some respect.
Br - A danish citizen - who for decades liked to read soaring related discussions for here. But recently filtered a lot of contributers out - your're the latest in line
harden parades and arm clowns...<<Trying to equate massacres in Europe and in the US is disingenuous at best. Today's 4th of July massacre is yet another example of why we need to make some major changes. I won't be surprised to hear proposals from conservatives of why we need to
We already arm clowns.
We already arm clowns.
And we elect them, too.
harden parades and arm clowns...<<Trying to equate massacres in Europe and in the US is disingenuous at best. Today's 4th of July massacre is yet another example of why we need to make some major changes. I won't be surprised to hear proposals from conservatives of why we need to
We already arm clowns.
On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 6:10:00 PM UTC-4, GliderCZ wrote:harden parades and arm clowns...<<
Trying to equate massacres in Europe and in the US is disingenuous at best. Today's 4th of July massacre is yet another example of why we need to make some major changes. I won't be surprised to hear proposals from conservatives of why we need to
drink or own an automobile in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. The 4th of July shooter had a permit to buy a gun from the state even after having had a run in with the police at which time they confiscated numerous knives and a sword in hisWe already arm clowns.For the record I'm a moderate, I have conservative and liberal leans. We don't ban alcohol because some fool goes out and drives drunk and kills people, we punish him and in my opinion far too leniently. Same with reckless driving. There is no right to
A massacre is a massacre. The Denmark shooter was known to the authorities as having mental issues and yet he managed to acquire a rifle. IN EUROPE? In an environment we are told it is most difficult to obtain a gun? Of course they have such respectfor each other that this one committed murder. They call him an ETHNIC dane.
The argument that no one needs an assault rifle is off base based simply on the word "needs." While my weapon of choice for home protection is a 12 gauge shotgun with #4 buck, others may well favor an AR15. I didn't need a fire extinguisher until lastyear when my house was hit by lightning and a fire started in a bedroom on the other side. The door was shut and the fire fully ablaze by the time I realized it. My puny fire extinguisher was insufficient to knock down the blaze. I now have two of the
Walt
On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 5:55:18 AM UTC-7, waltco...@aol.com wrote:harden parades and arm clowns...<<
On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 6:10:00 PM UTC-4, GliderCZ wrote:
Trying to equate massacres in Europe and in the US is disingenuous at best. Today's 4th of July massacre is yet another example of why we need to make some major changes. I won't be surprised to hear proposals from conservatives of why we need to
to drink or own an automobile in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. The 4th of July shooter had a permit to buy a gun from the state even after having had a run in with the police at which time they confiscated numerous knives and a sword in hisWe already arm clowns.For the record I'm a moderate, I have conservative and liberal leans. We don't ban alcohol because some fool goes out and drives drunk and kills people, we punish him and in my opinion far too leniently. Same with reckless driving. There is no right
for each other that this one committed murder. They call him an ETHNIC dane.A massacre is a massacre. The Denmark shooter was known to the authorities as having mental issues and yet he managed to acquire a rifle. IN EUROPE? In an environment we are told it is most difficult to obtain a gun? Of course they have such respect
last year when my house was hit by lightning and a fire started in a bedroom on the other side. The door was shut and the fire fully ablaze by the time I realized it. My puny fire extinguisher was insufficient to knock down the blaze. I now have two ofThe argument that no one needs an assault rifle is off base based simply on the word "needs." While my weapon of choice for home protection is a 12 gauge shotgun with #4 buck, others may well favor an AR15. I didn't need a fire extinguisher until
JJ the liberal, may I as you only one question? Does a human with a heartbeat deserve to die being sucked from the mothers womb, over 600K were killed last year alone, seems pale in comparison, say you.WaltNice little speech, Walt and I’d agree that you have a right to own any fire extinguisher you wish to purchase, but not a word about how to prevent the next massacre!
Allow me ask “Walt the moderate”, a few questions……
Do the people of this country have a right to attend a 4th of July celebration without being slaughtered?
How about little kids in school?
In Church?
In the Doctors office?
In Wal Mart?
What does “Walt the moderate” think should be done?
JJ the moderate!
On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 9:39:44 AM UTC-4, johnsin...@yahoo.com wrote:to harden parades and arm clowns...<<
On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 5:55:18 AM UTC-7, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 6:10:00 PM UTC-4, GliderCZ wrote:
Trying to equate massacres in Europe and in the US is disingenuous at best. Today's 4th of July massacre is yet another example of why we need to make some major changes. I won't be surprised to hear proposals from conservatives of why we need
right to drink or own an automobile in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. The 4th of July shooter had a permit to buy a gun from the state even after having had a run in with the police at which time they confiscated numerous knives and a sword inWe already arm clowns.For the record I'm a moderate, I have conservative and liberal leans. We don't ban alcohol because some fool goes out and drives drunk and kills people, we punish him and in my opinion far too leniently. Same with reckless driving. There is no
respect for each other that this one committed murder. They call him an ETHNIC dane.A massacre is a massacre. The Denmark shooter was known to the authorities as having mental issues and yet he managed to acquire a rifle. IN EUROPE? In an environment we are told it is most difficult to obtain a gun? Of course they have such
last year when my house was hit by lightning and a fire started in a bedroom on the other side. The door was shut and the fire fully ablaze by the time I realized it. My puny fire extinguisher was insufficient to knock down the blaze. I now have two ofThe argument that no one needs an assault rifle is off base based simply on the word "needs." While my weapon of choice for home protection is a 12 gauge shotgun with #4 buck, others may well favor an AR15. I didn't need a fire extinguisher until
WaltNice little speech, Walt and I’d agree that you have a right to own any fire extinguisher you wish to purchase, but not a word about how to prevent the next massacre!
Allow me ask “Walt the moderate”, a few questions……
Do the people of this country have a right to attend a 4th of July celebration without being slaughtered?
How about little kids in school?
In Church?
In the Doctors office?
In Wal Mart?
What does “Walt the moderate” think should be done?
JJ the moderate!JJ the liberal, may I as you only one question? Does a human with a heartbeat deserve to die being sucked from the mothers womb, over 600K were killed last year alone, seems pale in comparison, say you.
On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 12:01:42 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:need to harden parades and arm clowns...<<
On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 9:39:44 AM UTC-4, johnsin...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 5:55:18 AM UTC-7, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 6:10:00 PM UTC-4, GliderCZ wrote:
Trying to equate massacres in Europe and in the US is disingenuous at best. Today's 4th of July massacre is yet another example of why we need to make some major changes. I won't be surprised to hear proposals from conservatives of why we
right to drink or own an automobile in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. The 4th of July shooter had a permit to buy a gun from the state even after having had a run in with the police at which time they confiscated numerous knives and a sword inWe already arm clowns.For the record I'm a moderate, I have conservative and liberal leans. We don't ban alcohol because some fool goes out and drives drunk and kills people, we punish him and in my opinion far too leniently. Same with reckless driving. There is no
respect for each other that this one committed murder. They call him an ETHNIC dane.A massacre is a massacre. The Denmark shooter was known to the authorities as having mental issues and yet he managed to acquire a rifle. IN EUROPE? In an environment we are told it is most difficult to obtain a gun? Of course they have such
last year when my house was hit by lightning and a fire started in a bedroom on the other side. The door was shut and the fire fully ablaze by the time I realized it. My puny fire extinguisher was insufficient to knock down the blaze. I now have two ofThe argument that no one needs an assault rifle is off base based simply on the word "needs." While my weapon of choice for home protection is a 12 gauge shotgun with #4 buck, others may well favor an AR15. I didn't need a fire extinguisher until
No JJ, that is not the point, the best question would be why are they carrying them. My point is that abortion is being used as a contraceptive. Don't be mistaken, I am not anti abortion, I am anti abortion for convenience, especially with suchWaltNice little speech, Walt and I’d agree that you have a right to own any fire extinguisher you wish to purchase, but not a word about how to prevent the next massacre!
Allow me ask “Walt the moderate”, a few questions……
Do the people of this country have a right to attend a 4th of July celebration without being slaughtered?
How about little kids in school?
In Church?
In the Doctors office?
In Wal Mart?
What does “Walt the moderate” think should be done?
I’m completely neutral on the abortion issue, but allow me to ask you a question………….who do you think will end up supporting many of the unwanted kids that low income mothers are forced to carry to term?JJ the moderate!JJ the liberal, may I as you only one question? Does a human with a heartbeat deserve to die being sucked from the mothers womb, over 600K were killed last year alone, seems pale in comparison, say you.
We the people, that’s who!
JJ the realist
On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 5:55:18 AM UTC-7, waltco...@aol.com wrote:harden parades and arm clowns...<<
On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 6:10:00 PM UTC-4, GliderCZ wrote:
Trying to equate massacres in Europe and in the US is disingenuous at best. Today's 4th of July massacre is yet another example of why we need to make some major changes. I won't be surprised to hear proposals from conservatives of why we need to
to drink or own an automobile in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. The 4th of July shooter had a permit to buy a gun from the state even after having had a run in with the police at which time they confiscated numerous knives and a sword in hisWe already arm clowns.For the record I'm a moderate, I have conservative and liberal leans. We don't ban alcohol because some fool goes out and drives drunk and kills people, we punish him and in my opinion far too leniently. Same with reckless driving. There is no right
for each other that this one committed murder. They call him an ETHNIC dane.A massacre is a massacre. The Denmark shooter was known to the authorities as having mental issues and yet he managed to acquire a rifle. IN EUROPE? In an environment we are told it is most difficult to obtain a gun? Of course they have such respect
last year when my house was hit by lightning and a fire started in a bedroom on the other side. The door was shut and the fire fully ablaze by the time I realized it. My puny fire extinguisher was insufficient to knock down the blaze. I now have two ofThe argument that no one needs an assault rifle is off base based simply on the word "needs." While my weapon of choice for home protection is a 12 gauge shotgun with #4 buck, others may well favor an AR15. I didn't need a fire extinguisher until
WaltNice little speech, Walt and I’d agree that you have a right to own any fire extinguisher you wish to purchase, but not a word about how to prevent the next massacre!
Allow me ask “Walt the moderate”, a few questions……
Do the people of this country have a right to attend a 4th of July celebration without being slaughtered?
How about little kids in school?
In Church?
In the Doctors office?
In Wal Mart?
What does “Walt the moderate” think should be done?
JJ the moderate!
On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 5:55:18 AM UTC-7, waltco...@aol.com wrote:harden parades and arm clowns...<<
On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 6:10:00 PM UTC-4, GliderCZ wrote:
Trying to equate massacres in Europe and in the US is disingenuous at best. Today's 4th of July massacre is yet another example of why we need to make some major changes. I won't be surprised to hear proposals from conservatives of why we need to
to drink or own an automobile in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. The 4th of July shooter had a permit to buy a gun from the state even after having had a run in with the police at which time they confiscated numerous knives and a sword in hisWe already arm clowns.For the record I'm a moderate, I have conservative and liberal leans. We don't ban alcohol because some fool goes out and drives drunk and kills people, we punish him and in my opinion far too leniently. Same with reckless driving. There is no right
for each other that this one committed murder. They call him an ETHNIC dane.A massacre is a massacre. The Denmark shooter was known to the authorities as having mental issues and yet he managed to acquire a rifle. IN EUROPE? In an environment we are told it is most difficult to obtain a gun? Of course they have such respect
last year when my house was hit by lightning and a fire started in a bedroom on the other side. The door was shut and the fire fully ablaze by the time I realized it. My puny fire extinguisher was insufficient to knock down the blaze. I now have two ofThe argument that no one needs an assault rifle is off base based simply on the word "needs." While my weapon of choice for home protection is a 12 gauge shotgun with #4 buck, others may well favor an AR15. I didn't need a fire extinguisher until
WaltNice little speech, Walt and I’d agree that you have a right to own any fire extinguisher you wish to purchase, but not a word about how to prevent the next massacre!
Allow me ask “Walt the moderate”, a few questions……
Do the people of this country have a right to attend a 4th of July celebration without being slaughtered?
How about little kids in school?
In Church?
In the Doctors office?
In Wal Mart?
What does “Walt the moderate” think should be done?
JJ the moderate!
Current estimates put the total number of firearms in the US at 430,000,000. Remember that 429,900,000 were NOT used in any form of criminal activity, and a reasonable number were used by private citizens to deter or prevent criminal activity.magazines if you will agree to give up radio, television, the internet and mass publication of print media. Go right back to hand-written documents like the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, along with single-shot black powder muskets.
If the argument about advances in technology from 1791 to today are going to be applied to the Second Amendment, then would we be also required to apply those same arguments to the First Amendment? I can see giving up semi-automatics and high-capacity
Stopping mass shootings by banning all guns would be about as effective as stopping all automobile deaths by banning all cars.
On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 11:19:33 AM UTC-4, Mark Mocho wrote:capacity magazines if you will agree to give up radio, television, the internet and mass publication of print media. Go right back to hand-written documents like the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, along with single-shot black powder
Current estimates put the total number of firearms in the US at 430,000,000. Remember that 429,900,000 were NOT used in any form of criminal activity, and a reasonable number were used by private citizens to deter or prevent criminal activity.
If the argument about advances in technology from 1791 to today are going to be applied to the Second Amendment, then would we be also required to apply those same arguments to the First Amendment? I can see giving up semi-automatics and high-
What did I say in my last post? When are they going to come for my shot gun?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/crude-homemade-shotgun-used-to-assassinate-former-japanese-prime-minister-shinzo-abe
Former Japanese Prime Minister shot with homemade SHOTGUN. If the demented mind wants you it will find a way.
Walt
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