Final Day at the Races!

Talladega Superspeedway is hosting a NASCAR event this weekend, but it is not the best event in South Carolina. Of course, we are talking about the Region 5 North contest in Perry SC. Like NASCAR, our competitors come from all over the US to
participate at this event. It takes a large amount of coordination and volunteers to put on each event. Ours may be smaller, but the dedication of the Team here at Perry cannot be eclipsed.
This morning you could see a number of pilots reviewing the scoresheets and figuring out what they need to do to move up the list. For the laid-back folks in “The Cove” it was more important to find a good breakfast. Each group has found what makes
this event fun for them. The hard-core racers get everything they need to challenge themselves, and hopefully walk away with the R5N Champions Hat. This gives you bragging rights until the next Perry contest comes around.
Breakfast at the Little Bake Shoppe was a little sadder as we said goodbye to the staff. We thanked them for all the good sustenance they provided for the pilots over this week. I did walk away with that cheese Danish I talked about in an earlier report.
It is so good and makes writing this report just a little easier.
For those of you who use covers on your glider during contests, I saw a unique way to get the morning dew off the ship. Roger Thiemann used an electric leaf blower, and just blew the moisture off the ship. That was much easier than drying with towels
or hanging the covers inside the trailer. I’ve learned something new this week.
Last nights dinner was fantastic! Low country boil is a staple at the R5N contest and it went very well with a good beer. Doug Jacobs donated a keg of Stella Artois for the group. Providing beer for the contest by a competitor is one way we can all
help the organizers save a little money. At the Seniors this year, Keith Baugh and Robin Clark were kind enough to donate a keg of beer. Thanks everyone!
Our safety talk was given by John Godfrey and it was very appropriate. He spoke about the sport parachuting communities’ endeavor to make the sport safer. The manufacturers went to work to make the equipment more reliable and safer. However, it did
not change the loss numbers at all. It seems while the equipment was more reliable, the people were taking bigger risks. With motorgliders we may be facing the same dilemma. As the motors become more prevalent in gliders now (over half at R5N have
motors), we are still having the same number of accidents. We need to review our procedures and not bank on the motor to save us from poor decisions.
Marshall and Rhonda thanked everyone for all the support they received from all the volunteers and staff. Aiden, our loan young ground launch crew was the sole recipient of the cash from the pilots. He received almost $1,000 that part was given as
walking money but $900 was put into an education fund for his future.
For flying today, the Cu are popping early and it looks like another great flying day. We just had the grid meeting and the sniffer is about to launch. As anyone who have ever attended a contest, the last day is always a lot of fun. Expectations are
high and anticipation for the first launch can give you the jitters. But once the ship starts moving, you are in the wonderful world of flight. If Orville and Wilbur could see us now, they would be amazed at how far we have come.
Well, I have to go for now and man up (that means getting in the ship, not anything else 😊) and fly for a few hours.

Part Two
The scores are in and everyone was treated to an exciting task. The weather had every aspect of a challenging environment for the glider pilots. This was not a banquet task for any of the competitors. So, in Sports Class, for the day win was Eric
Lambert in the Arcus M with a speed of 57.82mph with Kevin Anderson continuing his great flying, finished in second. Randy Hollenberg finished in third and I can not reprint what he shouted when he heard his name. Overall ranking in Sports Class was
Jim Hogue in third, Gregg Shugg in second and Jason Arnold finished in first. Great job all of you!!
In FAI Combined Class, for the day, Tom Holoran finished in third, Werner Ruegger in second, and Billy Kerns from Seminole Lake finished in first. For the overall contest results in FAI, Sylvia Grandstaff finished in third, Jared Granzow finished in
second and Tom Holoran finished in first.
In 18 Meter Class, the day results were Jake Alspaugh in third, Gary Ittner in second, and in first place was Sean Murphy. Overall, Gary Ittner was in third, Robin Clark finished in second and since he won the day, Sean Murphy finished in first with a
40-point lead over Robin.
The big story, in Open Class for the day, Team Tyler and Uncle Hank finished in third, Henry Retting in second and Dick Butler won the day by 7 points. Overall, the results for the day mirrored the day results except Dick beat Henry by 1 point. Imagine
that, over a 5-day contest and 4912 points for the winner, the difference between first and second for the contest was just one point.
Well, some of the trailers have pulled out (I hope they paid their bill), and some of us went to dinner in town. There are lights on all over the gliderport and I think I’ll see if I can find a beer. My favorite kind, cold and free. Thanks for
reading these reports. I hope you enjoyed them because we sure did enjoy the contest. Thank you, Rhonda and Al Tyler. Your southern hospitality for all the glider community is beyond comparison. Hope to be here next year. Stay high, fly fast and
come home.
Best Regards,
Rich Owen
ZO


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Final Day at the Races!

Talladega Superspeedway is hosting a NASCAR event this weekend, but it is not the best event in South Carolina. Of course, we are talking about the Region 5 North contest in Perry SC. Like NASCAR, our competitors come from all over the US to

participate at this event. It takes a large amount of coordination and volunteers to put on each event. Ours may be smaller, but the dedication of the Team here at Perry cannot be eclipsed.

This morning you could see a number of pilots reviewing the scoresheets and figuring out what they need to do to move up the list. For the laid-back folks in “The Cove” it was more important to find a good breakfast. Each group has found what makes

this event fun for them. The hard-core racers get everything they need to challenge themselves, and hopefully walk away with the R5N Champions Hat. This gives you bragging rights until the next Perry contest comes around.

Breakfast at the Little Bake Shoppe was a little sadder as we said goodbye to the staff. We thanked them for all the good sustenance they provided for the pilots over this week. I did walk away with that cheese Danish I talked about in an earlier

report. It is so good and makes writing this report just a little easier.

For those of you who use covers on your glider during contests, I saw a unique way to get the morning dew off the ship. Roger Thiemann used an electric leaf blower, and just blew the moisture off the ship. That was much easier than drying with towels

or hanging the covers inside the trailer. I’ve learned something new this week.

Last nights dinner was fantastic! Low country boil is a staple at the R5N contest and it went very well with a good beer. Doug Jacobs donated a keg of Stella Artois for the group. Providing beer for the contest by a competitor is one way we can all

help the organizers save a little money. At the Seniors this year, Keith Baugh and Robin Clark were kind enough to donate a keg of beer. Thanks everyone!

Our safety talk was given by John Godfrey and it was very appropriate. He spoke about the sport parachuting communities’ endeavor to make the sport safer. The manufacturers went to work to make the equipment more reliable and safer. However, it did

not change the loss numbers at all. It seems while the equipment was more reliable, the people were taking bigger risks. With motorgliders we may be facing the same dilemma. As the motors become more prevalent in gliders now (over half at R5N have motors)
, we are still having the same number of accidents. We need to review our procedures and not bank on the motor to save us from poor decisions.

Marshall and Rhonda thanked everyone for all the support they received from all the volunteers and staff. Aiden, our loan young ground launch crew was the sole recipient of the cash from the pilots. He received almost $1,000 that part was given as

walking money but $900 was put into an education fund for his future.

For flying today, the Cu are popping early and it looks like another great flying day. We just had the grid meeting and the sniffer is about to launch. As anyone who have ever attended a contest, the last day is always a lot of fun. Expectations are

high and anticipation for the first launch can give you the jitters. But once the ship starts moving, you are in the wonderful world of flight. If Orville and Wilbur could see us now, they would be amazed at how far we have come.

Well, I have to go for now and man up (that means getting in the ship, not anything else 😊) and fly for a few hours.

Part Two
The scores are in and everyone was treated to an exciting task. The weather had every aspect of a challenging environment for the glider pilots. This was not a banquet task for any of the competitors. So, in Sports Class, for the day win was Eric

Lambert in the Arcus M with a speed of 57.82mph with Kevin Anderson continuing his great flying, finished in second. Randy Hollenberg finished in third and I can not reprint what he shouted when he heard his name. Overall ranking in Sports Class was Jim
Hogue in third, Gregg Shugg in second and Jason Arnold finished in first. Great job all of you!!

In FAI Combined Class, for the day, Tom Holoran finished in third, Werner Ruegger in second, and Billy Kerns from Seminole Lake finished in first. For the overall contest results in FAI, Sylvia Grandstaff finished in third, Jared Granzow finished in

second and Tom Holoran finished in first.

In 18 Meter Class, the day results were Jake Alspaugh in third, Gary Ittner in second, and in first place was Sean Murphy. Overall, Gary Ittner was in third, Robin Clark finished in second and since he won the day, Sean Murphy finished in first with a

40-point lead over Robin.

The big story, in Open Class for the day, Team Tyler and Uncle Hank finished in third, Henry Retting in second and Dick Butler won the day by 7 points. Overall, the results for the day mirrored the day results except Dick beat Henry by 1 point. Imagine

that, over a 5-day contest and 4912 points for the winner, the difference between first and second for the contest was just one point.

Well, some of the trailers have pulled out (I hope they paid their bill), and some of us went to dinner in town. There are lights on all over the gliderport and I think I’ll see if I can find a beer. My favorite kind, cold and free. Thanks for

reading these reports. I hope you enjoyed them because we sure did enjoy the contest. Thank you, Rhonda and Al Tyler. Your southern hospitality for all the glider community is beyond comparison. Hope to be here next year. Stay high, fly fast and come
home.

Best Regards,
Rich Owen
ZO

Rich, I have enjoyed reading your wonderful descriptions of the daily events at the Region 5 contest, maybe you should have gotten more sleep instead of posting these wonderful accounts of the daily activity, although I certainly enjoyed the daily
recounts of the contest. After reading the results of the 18 meter contest I was puzzled to see how many of the top ten finishers were actually pure gliders, void of any get me home assistance motors either electric or fuel burning carbon producing
platforms, please confirm.
My offer still stands, bring that motorglider down to Vero and enjoy the daily flights here on the Treasure Coast, you will be treated like a king, free beer, great food, the finest tows available and you can even stay here at the ranch and help me take
care of the mango trees. Old Bob, The Purist

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On 4/24/2022 3:05 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

After reading the results of the 18 meter contest I was puzzled to see how many of the top ten finishers were actually pure gliders, void of any get me home assistance motors either electric or fuel burning carbon producing platforms, please confirm.

This may be an illustration of what motorglider pilots have told you: without a motor, the
glider has a lower minimum wing loading, and can do better on weak days. On my 18M ASH26E,
the propulsion system increases the minimum wing loading by over 1.3 lb/ft2. Max wing
loading is unaffected. The self-retrieve ability is not as useful in areas where there are
many airports and the distances achieved are less; eg, at Ely, self-retrieve is more
important, and minimum wing loading is less important, compared to Perry.

--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications

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On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 6:05:30 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 10:04:09 PM UTC-4, stil...@aol.com wrote:

Final Day at the Races!

Talladega Superspeedway is hosting a NASCAR event this weekend, but it is not the best event in South Carolina. Of course, we are talking about the Region 5 North contest in Perry SC. Like NASCAR, our competitors come from all over the US to

participate at this event. It takes a large amount of coordination and volunteers to put on each event. Ours may be smaller, but the dedication of the Team here at Perry cannot be eclipsed.

This morning you could see a number of pilots reviewing the scoresheets and figuring out what they need to do to move up the list. For the laid-back folks in “The Cove” it was more important to find a good breakfast. Each group has found what

makes this event fun for them. The hard-core racers get everything they need to challenge themselves, and hopefully walk away with the R5N Champions Hat. This gives you bragging rights until the next Perry contest comes around.

Breakfast at the Little Bake Shoppe was a little sadder as we said goodbye to the staff. We thanked them for all the good sustenance they provided for the pilots over this week. I did walk away with that cheese Danish I talked about in an earlier

report. It is so good and makes writing this report just a little easier.

For those of you who use covers on your glider during contests, I saw a unique way to get the morning dew off the ship. Roger Thiemann used an electric leaf blower, and just blew the moisture off the ship. That was much easier than drying with towels

or hanging the covers inside the trailer. I’ve learned something new this week.

Last nights dinner was fantastic! Low country boil is a staple at the R5N contest and it went very well with a good beer. Doug Jacobs donated a keg of Stella Artois for the group. Providing beer for the contest by a competitor is one way we can all

help the organizers save a little money. At the Seniors this year, Keith Baugh and Robin Clark were kind enough to donate a keg of beer. Thanks everyone!

Our safety talk was given by John Godfrey and it was very appropriate. He spoke about the sport parachuting communities’ endeavor to make the sport safer. The manufacturers went to work to make the equipment more reliable and safer. However, it did

not change the loss numbers at all. It seems while the equipment was more reliable, the people were taking bigger risks. With motorgliders we may be facing the same dilemma. As the motors become more prevalent in gliders now (over half at R5N have motors)
, we are still having the same number of accidents. We need to review our procedures and not bank on the motor to save us from poor decisions.

Marshall and Rhonda thanked everyone for all the support they received from all the volunteers and staff. Aiden, our loan young ground launch crew was the sole recipient of the cash from the pilots. He received almost $1,000 that part was given as

walking money but $900 was put into an education fund for his future.

For flying today, the Cu are popping early and it looks like another great flying day. We just had the grid meeting and the sniffer is about to launch. As anyone who have ever attended a contest, the last day is always a lot of fun. Expectations are

high and anticipation for the first launch can give you the jitters. But once the ship starts moving, you are in the wonderful world of flight. If Orville and Wilbur could see us now, they would be amazed at how far we have come.

Well, I have to go for now and man up (that means getting in the ship, not anything else 😊) and fly for a few hours.

Part Two
The scores are in and everyone was treated to an exciting task. The weather had every aspect of a challenging environment for the glider pilots. This was not a banquet task for any of the competitors. So, in Sports Class, for the day win was Eric

Lambert in the Arcus M with a speed of 57.82mph with Kevin Anderson continuing his great flying, finished in second. Randy Hollenberg finished in third and I can not reprint what he shouted when he heard his name. Overall ranking in Sports Class was Jim
Hogue in third, Gregg Shugg in second and Jason Arnold finished in first. Great job all of you!!

In FAI Combined Class, for the day, Tom Holoran finished in third, Werner Ruegger in second, and Billy Kerns from Seminole Lake finished in first. For the overall contest results in FAI, Sylvia Grandstaff finished in third, Jared Granzow finished in

second and Tom Holoran finished in first.

In 18 Meter Class, the day results were Jake Alspaugh in third, Gary Ittner in second, and in first place was Sean Murphy. Overall, Gary Ittner was in third, Robin Clark finished in second and since he won the day, Sean Murphy finished in first with

a 40-point lead over Robin.

The big story, in Open Class for the day, Team Tyler and Uncle Hank finished in third, Henry Retting in second and Dick Butler won the day by 7 points. Overall, the results for the day mirrored the day results except Dick beat Henry by 1 point.

Imagine that, over a 5-day contest and 4912 points for the winner, the difference between first and second for the contest was just one point.

Well, some of the trailers have pulled out (I hope they paid their bill), and some of us went to dinner in town. There are lights on all over the gliderport and I think I’ll see if I can find a beer. My favorite kind, cold and free. Thanks for

reading these reports. I hope you enjoyed them because we sure did enjoy the contest. Thank you, Rhonda and Al Tyler. Your southern hospitality for all the glider community is beyond comparison. Hope to be here next year. Stay high, fly fast and come
home.

Best Regards,
Rich Owen
ZO

Rich, I have enjoyed reading your wonderful descriptions of the daily events at the Region 5 contest, maybe you should have gotten more sleep instead of posting these wonderful accounts of the daily activity, although I certainly enjoyed the daily

recounts of the contest. After reading the results of the 18 meter contest I was puzzled to see how many of the top ten finishers were actually pure gliders, void of any get me home assistance motors either electric or fuel burning carbon producing
platforms, please confirm.

My offer still stands, bring that motorglider down to Vero and enjoy the daily flights here on the Treasure Coast, you will be treated like a king, free beer, great food, the finest tows available and you can even stay here at the ranch and help me

take care of the mango trees. Old Bob, The Purist

In the open class there was one pure glider in the class- Concordia- and it won the class. It is in the early stages of preparing for electric sustainer installation. Our ASH-25 now has and electric sustainer that was never close to being needed, but
nice to have given how hard it is to fetch that glider.
UH/SST GIB

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On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:32:13 PM UTC-4, Hank Nixon wrote:

On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 6:05:30 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 10:04:09 PM UTC-4, stil...@aol.com wrote:

Final Day at the Races!

Talladega Superspeedway is hosting a NASCAR event this weekend, but it is not the best event in South Carolina. Of course, we are talking about the Region 5 North contest in Perry SC. Like NASCAR, our competitors come from all over the US to

participate at this event. It takes a large amount of coordination and volunteers to put on each event. Ours may be smaller, but the dedication of the Team here at Perry cannot be eclipsed.

This morning you could see a number of pilots reviewing the scoresheets and figuring out what they need to do to move up the list. For the laid-back folks in “The Cove” it was more important to find a good breakfast. Each group has found what

makes this event fun for them. The hard-core racers get everything they need to challenge themselves, and hopefully walk away with the R5N Champions Hat. This gives you bragging rights until the next Perry contest comes around.

Breakfast at the Little Bake Shoppe was a little sadder as we said goodbye to the staff. We thanked them for all the good sustenance they provided for the pilots over this week. I did walk away with that cheese Danish I talked about in an earlier

report. It is so good and makes writing this report just a little easier.

For those of you who use covers on your glider during contests, I saw a unique way to get the morning dew off the ship. Roger Thiemann used an electric leaf blower, and just blew the moisture off the ship. That was much easier than drying with

towels or hanging the covers inside the trailer. I’ve learned something new this week.

Last nights dinner was fantastic! Low country boil is a staple at the R5N contest and it went very well with a good beer. Doug Jacobs donated a keg of Stella Artois for the group. Providing beer for the contest by a competitor is one way we can all

help the organizers save a little money. At the Seniors this year, Keith Baugh and Robin Clark were kind enough to donate a keg of beer. Thanks everyone!

Our safety talk was given by John Godfrey and it was very appropriate. He spoke about the sport parachuting communities’ endeavor to make the sport safer. The manufacturers went to work to make the equipment more reliable and safer. However, it

did not change the loss numbers at all. It seems while the equipment was more reliable, the people were taking bigger risks. With motorgliders we may be facing the same dilemma. As the motors become more prevalent in gliders now (over half at R5N have
motors), we are still having the same number of accidents. We need to review our procedures and not bank on the motor to save us from poor decisions.

Marshall and Rhonda thanked everyone for all the support they received from all the volunteers and staff. Aiden, our loan young ground launch crew was the sole recipient of the cash from the pilots. He received almost $1,000 that part was given as

walking money but $900 was put into an education fund for his future.

For flying today, the Cu are popping early and it looks like another great flying day. We just had the grid meeting and the sniffer is about to launch. As anyone who have ever attended a contest, the last day is always a lot of fun. Expectations

are high and anticipation for the first launch can give you the jitters. But once the ship starts moving, you are in the wonderful world of flight. If Orville and Wilbur could see us now, they would be amazed at how far we have come.

Well, I have to go for now and man up (that means getting in the ship, not anything else 😊) and fly for a few hours.

Part Two
The scores are in and everyone was treated to an exciting task. The weather had every aspect of a challenging environment for the glider pilots. This was not a banquet task for any of the competitors. So, in Sports Class, for the day win was Eric

Lambert in the Arcus M with a speed of 57.82mph with Kevin Anderson continuing his great flying, finished in second. Randy Hollenberg finished in third and I can not reprint what he shouted when he heard his name. Overall ranking in Sports Class was Jim
Hogue in third, Gregg Shugg in second and Jason Arnold finished in first. Great job all of you!!

In FAI Combined Class, for the day, Tom Holoran finished in third, Werner Ruegger in second, and Billy Kerns from Seminole Lake finished in first. For the overall contest results in FAI, Sylvia Grandstaff finished in third, Jared Granzow finished

in second and Tom Holoran finished in first.

In 18 Meter Class, the day results were Jake Alspaugh in third, Gary Ittner in second, and in first place was Sean Murphy. Overall, Gary Ittner was in third, Robin Clark finished in second and since he won the day, Sean Murphy finished in first

with a 40-point lead over Robin.

The big story, in Open Class for the day, Team Tyler and Uncle Hank finished in third, Henry Retting in second and Dick Butler won the day by 7 points. Overall, the results for the day mirrored the day results except Dick beat Henry by 1 point.

Imagine that, over a 5-day contest and 4912 points for the winner, the difference between first and second for the contest was just one point.

Well, some of the trailers have pulled out (I hope they paid their bill), and some of us went to dinner in town. There are lights on all over the gliderport and I think I’ll see if I can find a beer. My favorite kind, cold and free. Thanks for

reading these reports. I hope you enjoyed them because we sure did enjoy the contest. Thank you, Rhonda and Al Tyler. Your southern hospitality for all the glider community is beyond comparison. Hope to be here next year. Stay high, fly fast and come
home.

Best Regards,
Rich Owen
ZO

Rich, I have enjoyed reading your wonderful descriptions of the daily events at the Region 5 contest, maybe you should have gotten more sleep instead of posting these wonderful accounts of the daily activity, although I certainly enjoyed the daily

recounts of the contest. After reading the results of the 18 meter contest I was puzzled to see how many of the top ten finishers were actually pure gliders, void of any get me home assistance motors either electric or fuel burning carbon producing
platforms, please confirm.

My offer still stands, bring that motorglider down to Vero and enjoy the daily flights here on the Treasure Coast, you will be treated like a king, free beer, great food, the finest tows available and you can even stay here at the ranch and help me

take care of the mango trees. Old Bob, The Purist

In the open class there was one pure glider in the class- Concordia- and it won the class. It is in the early stages of preparing for electric sustainer installation. Our ASH-25 now has and electric sustainer that was never close to being needed, but

nice to have given how hard it is to fetch that glider.

UH/SST GIB

All I could garter from the results was that 6 of the top ten finishers in the 18 meter class were purist, if that is correct I looks like the purist pretty much dominated. I plan on sending the first place purist a fine bottle of pure rum. In the future
I will have a fine bottle of rum for the best finish by a purist at the Seniors, Perry, and Cordele. Old Bob, The Purist

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On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 10:04:09 PM UTC-4, stil...@aol.com wrote:

Final Day at the Races!

Talladega Superspeedway is hosting a NASCAR event this weekend, but it is not the best event in South Carolina. Of course, we are talking about the Region 5 North contest in Perry SC. Like NASCAR, our competitors come from all over the US to

participate at this event. It takes a large amount of coordination and volunteers to put on each event. Ours may be smaller, but the dedication of the Team here at Perry cannot be eclipsed.

This morning you could see a number of pilots reviewing the scoresheets and figuring out what they need to do to move up the list. For the laid-back folks in “The Cove” it was more important to find a good breakfast. Each group has found what makes

this event fun for them. The hard-core racers get everything they need to challenge themselves, and hopefully walk away with the R5N Champions Hat. This gives you bragging rights until the next Perry contest comes around.

Breakfast at the Little Bake Shoppe was a little sadder as we said goodbye to the staff. We thanked them for all the good sustenance they provided for the pilots over this week. I did walk away with that cheese Danish I talked about in an earlier

report. It is so good and makes writing this report just a little easier.

For those of you who use covers on your glider during contests, I saw a unique way to get the morning dew off the ship. Roger Thiemann used an electric leaf blower, and just blew the moisture off the ship. That was much easier than drying with towels

or hanging the covers inside the trailer. I’ve learned something new this week.

Last nights dinner was fantastic! Low country boil is a staple at the R5N contest and it went very well with a good beer. Doug Jacobs donated a keg of Stella Artois for the group. Providing beer for the contest by a competitor is one way we can all

help the organizers save a little money. At the Seniors this year, Keith Baugh and Robin Clark were kind enough to donate a keg of beer. Thanks everyone!

Our safety talk was given by John Godfrey and it was very appropriate. He spoke about the sport parachuting communities’ endeavor to make the sport safer. The manufacturers went to work to make the equipment more reliable and safer. However, it did

not change the loss numbers at all. It seems while the equipment was more reliable, the people were taking bigger risks. With motorgliders we may be facing the same dilemma. As the motors become more prevalent in gliders now (over half at R5N have motors)
, we are still having the same number of accidents. We need to review our procedures and not bank on the motor to save us from poor decisions.

Marshall and Rhonda thanked everyone for all the support they received from all the volunteers and staff. Aiden, our loan young ground launch crew was the sole recipient of the cash from the pilots. He received almost $1,000 that part was given as

walking money but $900 was put into an education fund for his future.

For flying today, the Cu are popping early and it looks like another great flying day. We just had the grid meeting and the sniffer is about to launch. As anyone who have ever attended a contest, the last day is always a lot of fun. Expectations are

high and anticipation for the first launch can give you the jitters. But once the ship starts moving, you are in the wonderful world of flight. If Orville and Wilbur could see us now, they would be amazed at how far we have come.

Well, I have to go for now and man up (that means getting in the ship, not anything else 😊) and fly for a few hours.

Part Two
The scores are in and everyone was treated to an exciting task. The weather had every aspect of a challenging environment for the glider pilots. This was not a banquet task for any of the competitors. So, in Sports Class, for the day win was Eric

Lambert in the Arcus M with a speed of 57.82mph with Kevin Anderson continuing his great flying, finished in second. Randy Hollenberg finished in third and I can not reprint what he shouted when he heard his name. Overall ranking in Sports Class was Jim
Hogue in third, Gregg Shugg in second and Jason Arnold finished in first. Great job all of you!!

In FAI Combined Class, for the day, Tom Holoran finished in third, Werner Ruegger in second, and Billy Kerns from Seminole Lake finished in first. For the overall contest results in FAI, Sylvia Grandstaff finished in third, Jared Granzow finished in

second and Tom Holoran finished in first.

In 18 Meter Class, the day results were Jake Alspaugh in third, Gary Ittner in second, and in first place was Sean Murphy. Overall, Gary Ittner was in third, Robin Clark finished in second and since he won the day, Sean Murphy finished in first with a

40-point lead over Robin.

The big story, in Open Class for the day, Team Tyler and Uncle Hank finished in third, Henry Retting in second and Dick Butler won the day by 7 points. Overall, the results for the day mirrored the day results except Dick beat Henry by 1 point. Imagine

that, over a 5-day contest and 4912 points for the winner, the difference between first and second for the contest was just one point.

Well, some of the trailers have pulled out (I hope they paid their bill), and some of us went to dinner in town. There are lights on all over the gliderport and I think I’ll see if I can find a beer. My favorite kind, cold and free. Thanks for

reading these reports. I hope you enjoyed them because we sure did enjoy the contest. Thank you, Rhonda and Al Tyler. Your southern hospitality for all the glider community is beyond comparison. Hope to be here next year. Stay high, fly fast and come
home.

Best Regards,
Rich Owen
ZO

Thanks for the writeups, I wish all contest reports were as good (there have been other reports as good as yours).
I was there, and I still loved your reports (I was working on SST wings).

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On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 3:05:30 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 10:04:09 PM UTC-4, stil...@aol.com wrote:

Final Day at the Races!

Talladega Superspeedway is hosting a NASCAR event this weekend, but it is not the best event in South Carolina. Of course, we are talking about the Region 5 North contest in Perry SC. Like NASCAR, our competitors come from all over the US to

participate at this event. It takes a large amount of coordination and volunteers to put on each event. Ours may be smaller, but the dedication of the Team here at Perry cannot be eclipsed.

This morning you could see a number of pilots reviewing the scoresheets and figuring out what they need to do to move up the list. For the laid-back folks in “The Cove” it was more important to find a good breakfast. Each group has found what

makes this event fun for them. The hard-core racers get everything they need to challenge themselves, and hopefully walk away with the R5N Champions Hat. This gives you bragging rights until the next Perry contest comes around.

Breakfast at the Little Bake Shoppe was a little sadder as we said goodbye to the staff. We thanked them for all the good sustenance they provided for the pilots over this week. I did walk away with that cheese Danish I talked about in an earlier

report. It is so good and makes writing this report just a little easier.

For those of you who use covers on your glider during contests, I saw a unique way to get the morning dew off the ship. Roger Thiemann used an electric leaf blower, and just blew the moisture off the ship. That was much easier than drying with towels

or hanging the covers inside the trailer. I’ve learned something new this week.

Last nights dinner was fantastic! Low country boil is a staple at the R5N contest and it went very well with a good beer. Doug Jacobs donated a keg of Stella Artois for the group. Providing beer for the contest by a competitor is one way we can all

help the organizers save a little money. At the Seniors this year, Keith Baugh and Robin Clark were kind enough to donate a keg of beer. Thanks everyone!

Our safety talk was given by John Godfrey and it was very appropriate. He spoke about the sport parachuting communities’ endeavor to make the sport safer. The manufacturers went to work to make the equipment more reliable and safer. However, it did

not change the loss numbers at all. It seems while the equipment was more reliable, the people were taking bigger risks. With motorgliders we may be facing the same dilemma. As the motors become more prevalent in gliders now (over half at R5N have motors)
, we are still having the same number of accidents. We need to review our procedures and not bank on the motor to save us from poor decisions.

Marshall and Rhonda thanked everyone for all the support they received from all the volunteers and staff. Aiden, our loan young ground launch crew was the sole recipient of the cash from the pilots. He received almost $1,000 that part was given as

walking money but $900 was put into an education fund for his future.

For flying today, the Cu are popping early and it looks like another great flying day. We just had the grid meeting and the sniffer is about to launch. As anyone who have ever attended a contest, the last day is always a lot of fun. Expectations are

high and anticipation for the first launch can give you the jitters. But once the ship starts moving, you are in the wonderful world of flight. If Orville and Wilbur could see us now, they would be amazed at how far we have come.

Well, I have to go for now and man up (that means getting in the ship, not anything else 😊) and fly for a few hours.

Part Two
The scores are in and everyone was treated to an exciting task. The weather had every aspect of a challenging environment for the glider pilots. This was not a banquet task for any of the competitors. So, in Sports Class, for the day win was Eric

Lambert in the Arcus M with a speed of 57.82mph with Kevin Anderson continuing his great flying, finished in second. Randy Hollenberg finished in third and I can not reprint what he shouted when he heard his name. Overall ranking in Sports Class was Jim
Hogue in third, Gregg Shugg in second and Jason Arnold finished in first. Great job all of you!!

In FAI Combined Class, for the day, Tom Holoran finished in third, Werner Ruegger in second, and Billy Kerns from Seminole Lake finished in first. For the overall contest results in FAI, Sylvia Grandstaff finished in third, Jared Granzow finished in

second and Tom Holoran finished in first.

In 18 Meter Class, the day results were Jake Alspaugh in third, Gary Ittner in second, and in first place was Sean Murphy. Overall, Gary Ittner was in third, Robin Clark finished in second and since he won the day, Sean Murphy finished in first with

a 40-point lead over Robin.

The big story, in Open Class for the day, Team Tyler and Uncle Hank finished in third, Henry Retting in second and Dick Butler won the day by 7 points. Overall, the results for the day mirrored the day results except Dick beat Henry by 1 point.

Imagine that, over a 5-day contest and 4912 points for the winner, the difference between first and second for the contest was just one point.

Well, some of the trailers have pulled out (I hope they paid their bill), and some of us went to dinner in town. There are lights on all over the gliderport and I think I’ll see if I can find a beer. My favorite kind, cold and free. Thanks for

reading these reports. I hope you enjoyed them because we sure did enjoy the contest. Thank you, Rhonda and Al Tyler. Your southern hospitality for all the glider community is beyond comparison. Hope to be here next year. Stay high, fly fast and come
home.

Best Regards,
Rich Owen
ZO

Rich, I have enjoyed reading your wonderful descriptions of the daily events at the Region 5 contest, maybe you should have gotten more sleep instead of posting these wonderful accounts of the daily activity, although I certainly enjoyed the daily

recounts of the contest. After reading the results of the 18 meter contest I was puzzled to see how many of the top ten finishers were actually pure gliders, void of any get me home assistance motors either electric or fuel burning carbon producing
platforms, please confirm.

My offer still stands, bring that motorglider down to Vero and enjoy the daily flights here on the Treasure Coast, you will be treated like a king, free beer, great food, the finest tows available and you can even stay here at the ranch and help me

take care of the mango trees. Old Bob, The Purist

Bobby, you were puzzled alright because you don't know anything about gliders. A racing glider will always outperform a motorglider because it can operate at a considerably lower wing loading, which will win on weak days. And why offer tows to a
motorglider? To generate revenue to pay for the "free" beer, I guess.

Tom

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On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 12:15:44 AM UTC-4, 2G wrote:

On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 3:05:30 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 10:04:09 PM UTC-4, stil...@aol.com wrote:

Final Day at the Races!

Talladega Superspeedway is hosting a NASCAR event this weekend, but it is not the best event in South Carolina. Of course, we are talking about the Region 5 North contest in Perry SC. Like NASCAR, our competitors come from all over the US to

participate at this event. It takes a large amount of coordination and volunteers to put on each event. Ours may be smaller, but the dedication of the Team here at Perry cannot be eclipsed.

This morning you could see a number of pilots reviewing the scoresheets and figuring out what they need to do to move up the list. For the laid-back folks in “The Cove” it was more important to find a good breakfast. Each group has found what

makes this event fun for them. The hard-core racers get everything they need to challenge themselves, and hopefully walk away with the R5N Champions Hat. This gives you bragging rights until the next Perry contest comes around.

Breakfast at the Little Bake Shoppe was a little sadder as we said goodbye to the staff. We thanked them for all the good sustenance they provided for the pilots over this week. I did walk away with that cheese Danish I talked about in an earlier

report. It is so good and makes writing this report just a little easier.

For those of you who use covers on your glider during contests, I saw a unique way to get the morning dew off the ship. Roger Thiemann used an electric leaf blower, and just blew the moisture off the ship. That was much easier than drying with

towels or hanging the covers inside the trailer. I’ve learned something new this week.

Last nights dinner was fantastic! Low country boil is a staple at the R5N contest and it went very well with a good beer. Doug Jacobs donated a keg of Stella Artois for the group. Providing beer for the contest by a competitor is one way we can all

help the organizers save a little money. At the Seniors this year, Keith Baugh and Robin Clark were kind enough to donate a keg of beer. Thanks everyone!

Our safety talk was given by John Godfrey and it was very appropriate. He spoke about the sport parachuting communities’ endeavor to make the sport safer. The manufacturers went to work to make the equipment more reliable and safer. However, it

did not change the loss numbers at all. It seems while the equipment was more reliable, the people were taking bigger risks. With motorgliders we may be facing the same dilemma. As the motors become more prevalent in gliders now (over half at R5N have
motors), we are still having the same number of accidents. We need to review our procedures and not bank on the motor to save us from poor decisions.

Marshall and Rhonda thanked everyone for all the support they received from all the volunteers and staff. Aiden, our loan young ground launch crew was the sole recipient of the cash from the pilots. He received almost $1,000 that part was given as

walking money but $900 was put into an education fund for his future.

For flying today, the Cu are popping early and it looks like another great flying day. We just had the grid meeting and the sniffer is about to launch. As anyone who have ever attended a contest, the last day is always a lot of fun. Expectations

are high and anticipation for the first launch can give you the jitters. But once the ship starts moving, you are in the wonderful world of flight. If Orville and Wilbur could see us now, they would be amazed at how far we have come.

Well, I have to go for now and man up (that means getting in the ship, not anything else 😊) and fly for a few hours.

Part Two
The scores are in and everyone was treated to an exciting task. The weather had every aspect of a challenging environment for the glider pilots. This was not a banquet task for any of the competitors. So, in Sports Class, for the day win was Eric

Lambert in the Arcus M with a speed of 57.82mph with Kevin Anderson continuing his great flying, finished in second. Randy Hollenberg finished in third and I can not reprint what he shouted when he heard his name. Overall ranking in Sports Class was Jim
Hogue in third, Gregg Shugg in second and Jason Arnold finished in first. Great job all of you!!

In FAI Combined Class, for the day, Tom Holoran finished in third, Werner Ruegger in second, and Billy Kerns from Seminole Lake finished in first. For the overall contest results in FAI, Sylvia Grandstaff finished in third, Jared Granzow finished

in second and Tom Holoran finished in first.

In 18 Meter Class, the day results were Jake Alspaugh in third, Gary Ittner in second, and in first place was Sean Murphy. Overall, Gary Ittner was in third, Robin Clark finished in second and since he won the day, Sean Murphy finished in first

with a 40-point lead over Robin.

The big story, in Open Class for the day, Team Tyler and Uncle Hank finished in third, Henry Retting in second and Dick Butler won the day by 7 points. Overall, the results for the day mirrored the day results except Dick beat Henry by 1 point.

Imagine that, over a 5-day contest and 4912 points for the winner, the difference between first and second for the contest was just one point.

Well, some of the trailers have pulled out (I hope they paid their bill), and some of us went to dinner in town. There are lights on all over the gliderport and I think I’ll see if I can find a beer. My favorite kind, cold and free. Thanks for

reading these reports. I hope you enjoyed them because we sure did enjoy the contest. Thank you, Rhonda and Al Tyler. Your southern hospitality for all the glider community is beyond comparison. Hope to be here next year. Stay high, fly fast and come
home.

Best Regards,
Rich Owen
ZO

Rich, I have enjoyed reading your wonderful descriptions of the daily events at the Region 5 contest, maybe you should have gotten more sleep instead of posting these wonderful accounts of the daily activity, although I certainly enjoyed the daily

recounts of the contest. After reading the results of the 18 meter contest I was puzzled to see how many of the top ten finishers were actually pure gliders, void of any get me home assistance motors either electric or fuel burning carbon producing
platforms, please confirm.

My offer still stands, bring that motorglider down to Vero and enjoy the daily flights here on the Treasure Coast, you will be treated like a king, free beer, great food, the finest tows available and you can even stay here at the ranch and help me

take care of the mango trees. Old Bob, The Purist

Bobby, you were puzzled alright because you don't know anything about gliders. A racing glider will always outperform a motorglider because it can operate at a considerably lower wing loading, which will win on weak days. And why offer tows to a

motorglider? To generate revenue to pay for the "free" beer, I guess.

Tom

Uncle Tom, I was doing this long before you, please do not try to make excuses for your motor glider performance. Old Bob, The Purist

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Just to set the record straight:

4 of the top 10 finishers in 18 Meter at Perry were unmotorized (all the ASG-29's), the other 6 being either sustainer or self launch. The one Ventus 3 in the top 10 was an FES, and the two guest V3's that scored (but being guests, did not place) within
the top 10 scoring range were turbo (dive-start) sustainers. The one AS33 was an electric start recip engine sustainer. All the JS-3's were jet sustainers. The one ASH-31Mi (incorrectly listed as an ASH-30Mi) was a Wankel engined self launcher.
Overall, 18 out of 24 18 Meter ships at Perry were either self launchers or sustainers. Every single new-generation ship (JS-3, V3, AS33, so many 3's!) were either sustainer or self launcher. 4 out of the 10 ASG-29's were sustainers.

As UH noted, all Open Class gliders at Perry were sustainer or self launcher except Concordia, and it is slated for an electric sustainer installation soon.

FAI Handicapped (15 Meter/Standard) at Perry was all unpowered, 8 entrants. All ships were 20+ year old designs.

Sports Class at Perry had 4 self launchers and 2 sustainers, out of 24 total entrants. 25% powered, all the rest unpowered. 3 of the top 10 finishers were powered (all 25+ year old design self launchers). 90% or so of the ships were 20+ year old
designs.

Sustainer or self launch is definitely the future, like it or not. But I think there will always be a competition home for the unpowered ships in FAI Handicapped class. Or if your wings are bigger than 15 meter, than in Sports Class (handicapped), a
great class for "run what you brung", powered or not.

We all had a great time!

Cheers,
Jim J6




On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:31:33 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

All I could garter from the results was that 6 of the top ten finishers in the 18 meter class were purist, if that is correct I looks like the purist pretty much dominated. I plan on sending the first place purist a fine bottle of pure rum. In the

future I will have a fine bottle of rum for the best finish by a purist at the Seniors, Perry, and Cordele. Old Bob, The Purist

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Jim's figures highlight something we've known for years: the newer the glider, the more
likely it is to be powered. "Sustainer or self launch is definitely the future" says Jim,
but I think the future is already here, and powered gliders are "the now".

The increased utility of a self-launcher makes partnerships more attractive, as the glider
can be based anywhere two or three pilots live or want to fly, instead where the towplane
is based. Even though self-launchers cost more, the cost/pilot is less than an unpowered
glider with just two owners. That's for new/newer gliders, of course; old unpowered
gliders are still much cheaper, but those are "retiring" due crashes, neglect, aging out,
or are owned by people that don't fly anymore, but don't sell the glider. Eventually, the
used market will include an increasing number of powered gliders at a lower cost than new
ones.

Large clubs can afford a towplane and decent trainer(s); smaller clubs might have to leave
training to those clubs and soaring operators, where students spend a week or two getting
their license using towed (aero or winch) and powered trainers, then return to the club to
fly it's motorgliders.


On 4/27/2022 7:02 AM, J6 aka Airport Bum wrote:

Just to set the record straight:

4 of the top 10 finishers in 18 Meter at Perry were unmotorized (all the ASG-29's), the other 6 being either sustainer or self launch. The one Ventus 3 in the top 10 was an FES, and the two guest V3's that scored (but being guests, did not place)

within the top 10 scoring range were turbo (dive-start) sustainers. The one AS33 was an electric start recip engine sustainer. All the JS-3's were jet sustainers. The one ASH-31Mi (incorrectly listed as an ASH-30Mi) was a Wankel engined self launcher.
Overall, 18 out of 24 18 Meter ships at Perry were either self launchers or sustainers. Every single new-generation ship (JS-3, V3, AS33, so many 3's!) were either sustainer or self launcher. 4 out of the 10 ASG-29's were sustainers.

As UH noted, all Open Class gliders at Perry were sustainer or self launcher except Concordia, and it is slated for an electric sustainer installation soon.

FAI Handicapped (15 Meter/Standard) at Perry was all unpowered, 8 entrants. All ships were 20+ year old designs.

Sports Class at Perry had 4 self launchers and 2 sustainers, out of 24 total entrants. 25% powered, all the rest unpowered. 3 of the top 10 finishers were powered (all 25+ year old design self launchers). 90% or so of the ships were 20+ year old

designs.

Sustainer or self launch is definitely the future, like it or not. But I think there will always be a competition home for the unpowered ships in FAI Handicapped class. Or if your wings are bigger than 15 meter, than in Sports Class (handicapped), a

great class for "run what you brung", powered or not.

We all had a great time!

Cheers,
Jim J6

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:31:33 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

All I could garter from the results was that 6 of the top ten finishers in the 18 meter class were purist, if that is correct I looks like the purist pretty much dominated. I plan on sending the first place purist a fine bottle of pure rum. In the

future I will have a fine bottle of rum for the best finish by a purist at the Seniors, Perry, and Cordele. Old Bob, The Purist


--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications

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On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 11:02:33 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:

Jim's figures highlight something we've known for years: the newer the glider, the more
likely it is to be powered. "Sustainer or self launch is definitely the future" says Jim,
but I think the future is already here, and powered gliders are "the now".

The increased utility of a self-launcher makes partnerships more attractive, as the glider
can be based anywhere two or three pilots live or want to fly, instead where the towplane
is based. Even though self-launchers cost more, the cost/pilot is less than an unpowered
glider with just two owners. That's for new/newer gliders, of course; old unpowered
gliders are still much cheaper, but those are "retiring" due crashes, neglect, aging out,
or are owned by people that don't fly anymore, but don't sell the glider. Eventually, the
used market will include an increasing number of powered gliders at a lower cost than new
ones.

Large clubs can afford a towplane and decent trainer(s); smaller clubs might have to leave
training to those clubs and soaring operators, where students spend a week or two getting
their license using towed (aero or winch) and powered trainers, then return to the club to
fly it's motorgliders.
On 4/27/2022 7:02 AM, J6 aka Airport Bum wrote:

Just to set the record straight:

4 of the top 10 finishers in 18 Meter at Perry were unmotorized (all the ASG-29's), the other 6 being either sustainer or self launch. The one Ventus 3 in the top 10 was an FES, and the two guest V3's that scored (but being guests, did not place)

within the top 10 scoring range were turbo (dive-start) sustainers. The one AS33 was an electric start recip engine sustainer. All the JS-3's were jet sustainers. The one ASH-31Mi (incorrectly listed as an ASH-30Mi) was a Wankel engined self launcher.
Overall, 18 out of 24 18 Meter ships at Perry were either self launchers or sustainers. Every single new-generation ship (JS-3, V3, AS33, so many 3's!) were either sustainer or self launcher. 4 out of the 10 ASG-29's were sustainers.

As UH noted, all Open Class gliders at Perry were sustainer or self launcher except Concordia, and it is slated for an electric sustainer installation soon.

FAI Handicapped (15 Meter/Standard) at Perry was all unpowered, 8 entrants. All ships were 20+ year old designs.

Sports Class at Perry had 4 self launchers and 2 sustainers, out of 24 total entrants. 25% powered, all the rest unpowered. 3 of the top 10 finishers were powered (all 25+ year old design self launchers). 90% or so of the ships were 20+ year old

designs.

Sustainer or self launch is definitely the future, like it or not. But I think there will always be a competition home for the unpowered ships in FAI Handicapped class. Or if your wings are bigger than 15 meter, than in Sports Class (handicapped), a

great class for "run what you brung", powered or not.

We all had a great time!

Cheers,
Jim J6

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:31:33 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

All I could garter from the results was that 6 of the top ten finishers in the 18 meter class were purist, if that is correct I looks like the purist pretty much dominated. I plan on sending the first place purist a fine bottle of pure rum. In the

future I will have a fine bottle of rum for the best finish by a purist at the Seniors, Perry, and Cordele. Old Bob, The Purist

--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications

Actually, Jim has it wrong. XC won in a JS3 without the jet. Pure glider.

Nelson

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Thanks Nelson for the correction! Subtract one from the 18 Meter motorized numbers, please….

Cheers,
Jim J6

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 6:46:57 PM UTC-5, Nelson Howe wrote:

Actually, Jim has it wrong. XC won in a JS3 without the jet. Pure glider.

Nelson

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On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 8:13:50 AM UTC-4, J6 aka Airport Bum wrote:

Thanks Nelson for the correction! Subtract one from the 18 Meter motorized numbers, please….

Cheers,
Jim J6
On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 6:46:57 PM UTC-5, Nelson Howe wrote:

Actually, Jim has it wrong. XC won in a JS3 without the jet. Pure glider.

Nelson

Those motorized guys always like to inflate the numbers ! Old Bob, The Purist

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On 4/28/2022 5:23 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 8:13:50 AM UTC-4, J6 aka Airport Bum wrote:

Thanks Nelson for the correction! Subtract one from the 18 Meter motorized numbers, please….

Cheers,
Jim J6
On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 6:46:57 PM UTC-5, Nelson Howe wrote:

Actually, Jim has it wrong. XC won in a JS3 without the jet. Pure glider. >>>
Nelson

Those motorized guys always like to inflate the numbers ! Old Bob, The Purist

Of course you jest, but no inflation is needed: the difference between 18 out of 24
self-launchers in the 18M class, vs 17 out of 24 is insignificant, and it's an illustration that the future (or even "now") is motorgliders.

--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications

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On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 7:55:30 AM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On 4/28/2022 5:23 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 8:13:50 AM UTC-4, J6 aka Airport Bum wrote:

Thanks Nelson for the correction! Subtract one from the 18 Meter motorized numbers, please….

Cheers,
Jim J6
On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 6:46:57 PM UTC-5, Nelson Howe wrote:

Actually, Jim has it wrong. XC won in a JS3 without the jet. Pure glider.

Nelson

Those motorized guys always like to inflate the numbers ! Old Bob, The Purist

Of course you jest, but no inflation is needed: the difference between 18 out of 24
self-launchers in the 18M class, vs 17 out of 24 is insignificant, and it's an
illustration that the future (or even "now") is motorgliders.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications

Maybe for contests but I would guess most pilots that own gliders do not compete in contests and do not have motor gliders.

Richard

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On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 7:55:30 AM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On 4/28/2022 5:23 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 8:13:50 AM UTC-4, J6 aka Airport Bum wrote:

Thanks Nelson for the correction! Subtract one from the 18 Meter motorized numbers, please….

Cheers,
Jim J6
On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 6:46:57 PM UTC-5, Nelson Howe wrote:

Actually, Jim has it wrong. XC won in a JS3 without the jet. Pure glider.

Nelson

Those motorized guys always like to inflate the numbers ! Old Bob, The Purist

Of course you jest, but no inflation is needed: the difference between 18 out of 24
self-launchers in the 18M class, vs 17 out of 24 is insignificant, and it's an
illustration that the future (or even "now") is motorgliders.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications

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Yes Richard, I am sure that you are correct. The vast majority of gliders in the USA are not motorized, and the vast majority of glider pilots do not fly competition.

I say motorized is the future because the vast majority of NEW gliders being produced (and being delivered to the USA) have some form of power. I think most (but not all, I'm sure) new gliders are brought into this country first for use in competition,
but in a decade or two they get superseded by newer models, at which time these gliders will transition to younger less-well-heeled competitors, clubs, or non-competing pilots. Somehow I do not think anyone is going to be taking the powerplants out of
these gliders!!!! Unfortunately, the rest of the aging fleet will suffer attrition, of course (some of it from neglect, sadly). The numbers are trending towards motorized, like it or not.

Again, apologies that I missed the one pure glider JS-3 in my assessment of motorized glider numbers at Perry. My mistake.

Cheers,
Jim J6

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:01:38 PM UTC-5, Richard Pfiffner wrote:

Maybe for contests but I would guess most pilots that own gliders do not compete in contests and do not have motor gliders.

Richard

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On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 4:27:35 PM UTC-4, J6 aka Airport Bum wrote:

Yes Richard, I am sure that you are correct. The vast majority of gliders in the USA are not motorized, and the vast majority of glider pilots do not fly competition.

I say motorized is the future because the vast majority of NEW gliders being produced (and being delivered to the USA) have some form of power. I think most (but not all, I'm sure) new gliders are brought into this country first for use in competition,

but in a decade or two they get superseded by newer models, at which time these gliders will transition to younger less-well-heeled competitors, clubs, or non-competing pilots. Somehow I do not think anyone is going to be taking the powerplants out of
these gliders!!!! Unfortunately, the rest of the aging fleet will suffer attrition, of course (some of it from neglect, sadly). The numbers are trending towards motorized, like it or not.

Again, apologies that I missed the one pure glider JS-3 in my assessment of motorized glider numbers at Perry. My mistake.

Cheers,
Jim J6
On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:01:38 PM UTC-5, Richard Pfiffner wrote:

Maybe for contests but I would guess most pilots that own gliders do not compete in contests and do not have motor gliders.

Richard

That is the second mistake that you have made, first was buying the motorglider. Old Bob, The Purist

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