As a side note... I have found the range of
Flarm devices to be spotty, for both a send and receive, being highly sensitive to the placement of the antennas. Trig ADSB equipped aircraft certainly reduced this problem.
Pedja’s brilliant glideport.aero site relied on you registering and carrying a Spot or inReach. You could also carry a cell device with custom tracking software installed. The glideport site provides an excellent visualization of the tracking data itreceives but it currently does not show Flarm signals, ADSB or OGN data. AFAIK glideport.aero is not under active development.
The undocumented(?) SeeYou Navigator tracking feature, complimented by an OGN receiver network may provide a route forward.database via any OGN receivers within range.
After installing Navigator on your mobile device, you will be transmitting your location (lat, long & alt) via any cell data networks within range to the master OGN database. If you are equipped with a Flarm your data will also go into the master OGN
Consider the following scenarios:I have found the range of Flarm devices to be spotty, for both a send and receive, being highly sensitive to the placement of the antennas. Trig ADSB equipped aircraft certainly reduced this problem.
In the cockpit.
Provided you have a cell signal, If you turn on the OGN layer on your mobile device you will see Flarm targets, including those that are out of range via OGN receivers. You will also see targets that are only carrying a mobile device. As a side note...
At a gliding event or home.cell)
Using OGN visualization web sites (e.g. https://www.gliderradar.com/center/46.27626,2.26936/zoom/11/time/15?center=40.0024,-105.0073&zoom=8 ), which are polling the master OGN database, You will now see Flarm (via OGN receivers) and Navigator data (via
The need and expense of carrying a satellite tracker is now diminished, except for there need in a situation where you are off the grid. BTW Spot trackers only update every 10 minutes so they could be as laggy as moving in and out of cell range
I am not saying Navigator/OGN is perfect but it seems to be a way forward that can be actively pursued.
We are lucky in Colorado that the major clubs have each installed OGN receivers. It’s about $300, should your club be considering this?
If you would like to start another thread on Flarm antennae tuning …
please go ahead as I don’t want this thread to be hi-jacked into a black hole related to this task :). I would note that the tuning topic has
been beaten to death in prior rec.aviation.soaring history.
On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:56:41 -0700 (PDT), Colin Barry wrote:
If you would like to start another thread on Flarm antennae tuning … please go ahead as I don’t want this thread to be hi-jacked into a black hole related to this task :). I would note that the tuning topic has
been beaten to death in prior rec.aviation.soaring history.
Hi Colin,
The only glider type I'd claim any FLARM antenna placement knowledge for
is an H.201 Libelle - and that is for a single antenna Red Box FLARM, i.e. not a PowerFLARM. Following advice from a Swedish pilot, I mounted my antenna in front of the instrument tray on a length of glass fishing rod using a wooden block and nylon screws so the antenna that can be moved
fore and aft along the rod.
The antenna needs to be placed roughly halfway between the front of the
tray and the pedals. Its exact placement is critical: if done right you
get good all-round coverage, but if wrong you have virtually no rearward coverage. I assume this is some sort of interference effect from the
(metal) instruments on the panel and in the tray because adjusting the antenna placement by as little as 10mm makes a significant difference to rear coverage.
I agree that having Navigator and FLARM simultaneously reporting your position to OGN will result in unnecessary clutter. Unfortunately, de-selecting the OGN layer in Navigator does not cease the reporting of the device position to OGN. I wonder ifNaviter could couple position reporting to the OGN layer switch?
Maybe I should RTFM regarding 'always on'
https://kb.naviter.com/en/kb/keep-seeyou-navigator-running-in-the-background/
Still a bit clunky IMHO
On 4/7/22 10:31, Colin Barry wrote:
Maybe I should RTFM regarding 'always on'
https://kb.naviter.com/en/kb/keep-seeyou-navigator-running-in-the-background/
Still a bit clunky IMHONo matter how much documentation exists, people will leave tracking on accidentally sometimes.
Happened to notice three targets at your house this morning. Your
glider, your cell, and some other Naviter device, with a fake Flarm ID
ending in "BF". Did you have a visitor, or is there some other device
putting out data?
Dave,
agreed it's too easy to have the tracking data enabled and not obvious when it is. The 3 devices was me just testing the maximum clutter. I was running my iPad, iPhone & FLARM core
Cheers
Colin
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