• Re: Announcing a RAS Sister Group

    From youngblood8116@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 29 13:48:03 2022
    On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 4:41:56 PM UTC-5, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:
    About a month ago after the new year a RAS conversation started concerning the foibles, limitations, and conundrums, of our beloved USENET group.

    During that conversation I announced the existence of what I consider a sister group, not a replacement for, the venerable RAS group. RAS has a very long history and the content is a very valuable historical resource going back decades.

    But RAS has its issues. One is that there is no method to block within a USENET group the various forms of SPAM that we see infiltrating our group. I have witnessed this issue kill several of my favorite USENET groups over the years.

    The sister group that I speak of is called RAS_Prime and exists in the Google cloud. This new group is devoted to the free exchange of information on all glider related topics. Anyone can join the RAS_Prime Google group!

    We now have about 90 users. We may fall on our face. Call this an experiment.

    Give it a try. You might just like it.

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/rasprime/join

    ====================

    RAS_Prime is dedicated to trying its very best to be a respectful place for everyone to talk about the sport that they love. As I mentioned above RAS_Prime lives alongside the venerable Usenet Network News group informally known as "RAS" (rec.aviation.
    soaring).

    Google Groups has several advantages over Usenet Groups;

    - Web based access to the group as well as email reading and responding
    - Integration with the Google universe of applications
    - SPAM/SPAMers limiting/removal capability
    - File and image attachment and storage

    See more details on the advantages of a Google group versus a Usenet group at https://usenetreviewz.com/usenet-newsgroups-vs-google-groups.

    Here are some common sense guidelines (thus far) for the use of RAS_Prime;

    - Postings should be related to gliders and soaring. Important and fun general aviation topics are also encouraged.
    - Be respectful of everyone. Disagreements will happen but must be discussed in a courteous fashion. No flaming is allowed.
    - Please stay on topic in a posting. Don't sideline a discussion with unrelated information. Instead start a new conversation.
    - Non-aviation topics are not allowed. No political discussions. No hateful or discriminatory postings are allowed. No spamming of any sort.
    - Please limit commercial postings to announcing new aviation products or services.
    - Advertise for sale, or wanted, personal owned aviation items which are primarily glider related. Start the post's subject line with "FS:" ("For Sale") or "WTB:" (Want to Buy"). Also use glidersource.com to advertise.

    The moderators do not want to limit any discussions. We will give everyone the benefit of the doubt and will provide warnings to those that stray away from our guidelines. However, the moderators may need to remove posts that do not follow the
    guidelines or, in egregious cases, the moderator may remove users that continually break the rules.
    What ever happened to this new and exciting group. I searched the archives and made note of the fact that there has been very little activity in the RASPrime. I do see John, and Eric back here on the main station posting and enjoying the discussions.
    Good to see you guys back on the home team! Old Bob, The Purist

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  • From youngblood8116@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Eric Greenwell on Thu Jun 30 12:15:09 2022
    On Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 2:38:42 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On 6/29/2022 1:48 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

    The moderators do not want to limit any discussions. We will give everyone the benefit of the doubt and will provide warnings to those that stray away from our guidelines. However, the moderators may need to remove posts that do not follow the
    guidelines or, in egregious cases, the moderator may remove users that continually break the rules.

    What ever happened to this new and exciting group. I searched the archives and made note of the fact that there has been very little activity in the RASPrime. I do see John, and Eric back here on the main station posting and enjoying the discussions.
    Good to see you guys back on the home team! Old Bob, The Purist
    I never left, Bob, and discouraged the new group out of concerns it would fragment the
    discussions. I did read the postings, just in case something good came up. --
    Eric Greenwell - USA
    - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
    Eric, I watched this new and exciting group from the beginning, although there were good intentions yet people really don't like change. The activity was well below what I expected it to be and those whom did not like the content of some of the existing
    threads often came back to drink from the watering hole.
    The group started with 4 replies in January, February had a huge following at 12, March was 6, April 3, May 2 , and only 1 for June. What exactly would you contribute the failure of this new RAS group to? I originally thought the new group would be a
    wonderful new platform for the motorglider guys, I guess they enjoy the humor and activity of train wreck. Old Bob, The Purist

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  • From Eric Greenwell@21:1/5 to youngbl...@gmail.com on Thu Jun 30 11:38:35 2022
    On 6/29/2022 1:48 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

    The moderators do not want to limit any discussions. We will give everyone the benefit of the doubt and will provide warnings to those that stray away from our guidelines. However, the moderators may need to remove posts that do not follow the
    guidelines or, in egregious cases, the moderator may remove users that continually break the rules.

    What ever happened to this new and exciting group. I searched the archives and made note of the fact that there has been very little activity in the RASPrime. I do see John, and Eric back here on the main station posting and enjoying the discussions.
    Good to see you guys back on the home team! Old Bob, The Purist

    I never left, Bob, and discouraged the new group out of concerns it would fragment the
    discussions. I did read the postings, just in case something good came up.
    --
    Eric Greenwell - USA
    - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
    https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications

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  • From Eric Greenwell@21:1/5 to youngbl...@gmail.com on Thu Jun 30 20:03:56 2022
    On 6/30/2022 12:15 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 2:38:42 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On 6/29/2022 1:48 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

    The moderators do not want to limit any discussions. We will give everyone the benefit of the doubt and will provide warnings to those that stray away from our guidelines. However, the moderators may need to remove posts that do not follow the
    guidelines or, in egregious cases, the moderator may remove users that continually break the rules.

    What ever happened to this new and exciting group. I searched the archives and made note of the fact that there has been very little activity in the RASPrime. I do see John, and Eric back here on the main station posting and enjoying the discussions.
    Good to see you guys back on the home team! Old Bob, The Purist
    I never left, Bob, and discouraged the new group out of concerns it would fragment the
    discussions. I did read the postings, just in case something good came up. >> --
    Eric Greenwell - USA
    - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
    https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
    Eric, I watched this new and exciting group from the beginning, although there were good intentions yet people really don't like change. The activity was well below what I expected it to be and those whom did not like the content of some of the
    existing threads often came back to drink from the watering hole.
    The group started with 4 replies in January, February had a huge following at 12, March was 6, April 3, May 2 , and only 1 for June. What exactly would you contribute the failure of this new RAS group to? I originally thought the new group would be a
    wonderful new platform for the motorglider guys, I guess they enjoy the humor and activity of train wreck. Old Bob, The Purist

    I think most people didn't mind the perceived problems RAS Prime was set up to fix, or at
    least, not enough to bother changing.
    --
    Eric Greenwell - USA
    - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
    https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications

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  • From youngblood8116@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Eric Greenwell on Fri Jul 1 03:55:00 2022
    On Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 11:04:05 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On 6/30/2022 12:15 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 2:38:42 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On 6/29/2022 1:48 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

    The moderators do not want to limit any discussions. We will give everyone the benefit of the doubt and will provide warnings to those that stray away from our guidelines. However, the moderators may need to remove posts that do not follow the
    guidelines or, in egregious cases, the moderator may remove users that continually break the rules.

    What ever happened to this new and exciting group. I searched the archives and made note of the fact that there has been very little activity in the RASPrime. I do see John, and Eric back here on the main station posting and enjoying the
    discussions. Good to see you guys back on the home team! Old Bob, The Purist
    I never left, Bob, and discouraged the new group out of concerns it would fragment the
    discussions. I did read the postings, just in case something good came up.
    --
    Eric Greenwell - USA
    - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
    https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
    Eric, I watched this new and exciting group from the beginning, although there were good intentions yet people really don't like change. The activity was well below what I expected it to be and those whom did not like the content of some of the
    existing threads often came back to drink from the watering hole.
    The group started with 4 replies in January, February had a huge following at 12, March was 6, April 3, May 2 , and only 1 for June. What exactly would you contribute the failure of this new RAS group to? I originally thought the new group would be a
    wonderful new platform for the motorglider guys, I guess they enjoy the humor and activity of train wreck. Old Bob, The Purist
    I think most people didn't mind the perceived problems RAS Prime was set up to fix, or at
    least, not enough to bother changing.
    --
    Eric Greenwell - USA
    - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
    I think you make a very valid point, it was only a few of the choir boys that thought that restricting what people can express in a public forum was most important. Anyway, I guess it was a lesson learned. OBTP

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  • From Eric Greenwell@21:1/5 to youngbl...@gmail.com on Fri Jul 1 06:22:44 2022
    On 7/1/2022 3:55 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 11:04:05 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On 6/30/2022 12:15 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 2:38:42 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On 6/29/2022 1:48 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

    The moderators do not want to limit any discussions. We will give everyone the benefit of the doubt and will provide warnings to those that stray away from our guidelines. However, the moderators may need to remove posts that do not follow the
    guidelines or, in egregious cases, the moderator may remove users that continually break the rules.

    What ever happened to this new and exciting group. I searched the archives and made note of the fact that there has been very little activity in the RASPrime. I do see John, and Eric back here on the main station posting and enjoying the
    discussions. Good to see you guys back on the home team! Old Bob, The Purist >>>> I never left, Bob, and discouraged the new group out of concerns it would fragment the
    discussions. I did read the postings, just in case something good came up. >>>> --
    Eric Greenwell - USA
    - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
    https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
    Eric, I watched this new and exciting group from the beginning, although there were good intentions yet people really don't like change. The activity was well below what I expected it to be and those whom did not like the content of some of the
    existing threads often came back to drink from the watering hole.
    The group started with 4 replies in January, February had a huge following at 12, March was 6, April 3, May 2 , and only 1 for June. What exactly would you contribute the failure of this new RAS group to? I originally thought the new group would be a
    wonderful new platform for the motorglider guys, I guess they enjoy the humor and activity of train wreck. Old Bob, The Purist
    I think most people didn't mind the perceived problems RAS Prime was set up to fix, or at
    least, not enough to bother changing.
    --
    Eric Greenwell - USA
    - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
    https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
    I think you make a very valid point, it was only a few of the choir boys that thought that restricting what people can express in a public forum was most important. Anyway, I guess it was a lesson learned. OBTP

    I had no problem with the intentions of RAS Prime, as there is no need for RAS to open to
    every Tom, Dick, and especially Daryl. There are groups that benefit from moderation. I am
    a moderator on three of them, but they were groups started for new purposes, and were not
    trying to replace a long-time, popular group.

    --
    Eric Greenwell - USA
    - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
    https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications

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  • From kinsell@21:1/5 to Eric Greenwell on Fri Jul 1 09:18:23 2022
    On 7/1/22 07:22, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On 7/1/2022 3:55 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 11:04:05 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On 6/30/2022 12:15 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 2:38:42 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote: >>>>> On 6/29/2022 1:48 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

    The moderators do not want to limit any discussions. We will give >>>>>>> everyone the benefit of the doubt and will provide warnings to
    those that stray away from our guidelines. However, the
    moderators may need to remove posts that do not follow the
    guidelines or, in egregious cases, the moderator may remove users >>>>>>> that continually break the rules.

    What ever happened to this new and exciting group. I searched the
    archives and made note of the fact that there has been very little >>>>>> activity in the RASPrime. I do see John, and Eric back here on the >>>>>> main station posting and enjoying the discussions. Good to see you >>>>>> guys back on the home team! Old Bob, The Purist
    I never left, Bob, and discouraged the new group out of concerns it
    would fragment the
    discussions. I did read the postings, just in case something good
    came up.
    --
    Eric Greenwell - USA
    - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
    https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
    Eric, I watched this new and exciting group from the beginning,
    although there were good intentions yet people really don't like
    change. The activity was well below what I expected it to be and
    those whom did not like the content of some of the existing threads
    often came back to drink from the watering hole.
    The group started with 4 replies in January, February had a huge
    following at 12, March was 6, April 3, May 2 , and only 1 for June.
    What exactly would you contribute the failure of this new RAS group
    to? I originally thought the new group would be a wonderful new
    platform for the motorglider guys, I guess they enjoy the humor and
    activity of train wreck. Old Bob, The Purist
    I think most people didn't mind the perceived problems RAS Prime was
    set up to fix, or at
    least, not enough to bother changing.
    --
    Eric Greenwell - USA
    - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
    https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
    I think you make a very valid point, it was only a few of the choir
    boys that thought that restricting what people can express in a public
    forum was most important. Anyway, I guess it was a lesson learned. OBTP

    I had no problem with the intentions of RAS Prime, as there is no need
    for RAS to open to every Tom, Dick, and especially Daryl. There are
    groups that benefit from moderation. I am a moderator on three of them,
    but they were groups started for new purposes, and were not trying to
    replace a long-time, popular group.


    I lost interest in it when I asked several times what the definition of
    'spam' is, and never got an answer. How is somebody going to regulate
    spam if they can't define what it is? Almost as absurd as having a
    Supreme Court Justice who doesn't know what a 'woman' is, even though
    she (it?) claims to be one, and she (it?) was nominated largely on the
    basis of being one. She (it?) is even a birthing person, but of course
    that means nothing in today's enlightened society, where even men can
    have babies.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From youngblood8116@gmail.com@21:1/5 to kinsell on Fri Jul 1 12:17:50 2022
    On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 11:18:29 AM UTC-4, kinsell wrote:
    On 7/1/22 07:22, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On 7/1/2022 3:55 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 11:04:05 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote: >>> On 6/30/2022 12:15 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 2:38:42 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote: >>>>> On 6/29/2022 1:48 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

    The moderators do not want to limit any discussions. We will give >>>>>>> everyone the benefit of the doubt and will provide warnings to >>>>>>> those that stray away from our guidelines. However, the
    moderators may need to remove posts that do not follow the
    guidelines or, in egregious cases, the moderator may remove users >>>>>>> that continually break the rules.

    What ever happened to this new and exciting group. I searched the >>>>>> archives and made note of the fact that there has been very little >>>>>> activity in the RASPrime. I do see John, and Eric back here on the >>>>>> main station posting and enjoying the discussions. Good to see you >>>>>> guys back on the home team! Old Bob, The Purist
    I never left, Bob, and discouraged the new group out of concerns it >>>>> would fragment the
    discussions. I did read the postings, just in case something good >>>>> came up.
    --
    Eric Greenwell - USA
    - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
    https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
    Eric, I watched this new and exciting group from the beginning,
    although there were good intentions yet people really don't like
    change. The activity was well below what I expected it to be and
    those whom did not like the content of some of the existing threads >>>> often came back to drink from the watering hole.
    The group started with 4 replies in January, February had a huge
    following at 12, March was 6, April 3, May 2 , and only 1 for June. >>>> What exactly would you contribute the failure of this new RAS group >>>> to? I originally thought the new group would be a wonderful new
    platform for the motorglider guys, I guess they enjoy the humor and >>>> activity of train wreck. Old Bob, The Purist
    I think most people didn't mind the perceived problems RAS Prime was
    set up to fix, or at
    least, not enough to bother changing.
    --
    Eric Greenwell - USA
    - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
    https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
    I think you make a very valid point, it was only a few of the choir
    boys that thought that restricting what people can express in a public
    forum was most important. Anyway, I guess it was a lesson learned. OBTP

    I had no problem with the intentions of RAS Prime, as there is no need
    for RAS to open to every Tom, Dick, and especially Daryl. There are
    groups that benefit from moderation. I am a moderator on three of them, but they were groups started for new purposes, and were not trying to replace a long-time, popular group.

    I lost interest in it when I asked several times what the definition of 'spam' is, and never got an answer. How is somebody going to regulate
    spam if they can't define what it is? Almost as absurd as having a
    Supreme Court Justice who doesn't know what a 'woman' is, even though
    she (it?) claims to be one, and she (it?) was nominated largely on the
    basis of being one. She (it?) is even a birthing person, but of course
    that means nothing in today's enlightened society, where even men can
    have babies.
    Kinsell, welcome to the real world, if you haven't noticed we are surrounded by crazies. Crazies coming out of law school and not having a clear understanding of the constitution, crazies that go before the congress and hake the statement that men can
    give birth. Now you have not entered the Twilight Zone, but RAS! Old Bob, The Purist

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From youngblood8116@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 17 15:39:56 2023
    On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 4:41:56 PM UTC-5, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:
    About a month ago after the new year a RAS conversation started concerning the foibles, limitations, and conundrums, of our beloved USENET group.

    During that conversation I announced the existence of what I consider a sister group, not a replacement for, the venerable RAS group. RAS has a very long history and the content is a very valuable historical resource going back decades.

    But RAS has its issues. One is that there is no method to block within a USENET group the various forms of SPAM that we see infiltrating our group. I have witnessed this issue kill several of my favorite USENET groups over the years.

    The sister group that I speak of is called RAS_Prime and exists in the Google cloud. This new group is devoted to the free exchange of information on all glider related topics. Anyone can join the RAS_Prime Google group!

    We now have about 90 users. We may fall on our face. Call this an experiment.

    Give it a try. You might just like it.

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/rasprime/join

    ====================

    RAS_Prime is dedicated to trying its very best to be a respectful place for everyone to talk about the sport that they love. As I mentioned above RAS_Prime lives alongside the venerable Usenet Network News group informally known as "RAS" (rec.aviation.
    soaring).

    Google Groups has several advantages over Usenet Groups;

    - Web based access to the group as well as email reading and responding
    - Integration with the Google universe of applications
    - SPAM/SPAMers limiting/removal capability
    - File and image attachment and storage

    See more details on the advantages of a Google group versus a Usenet group at https://usenetreviewz.com/usenet-newsgroups-vs-google-groups.

    Here are some common sense guidelines (thus far) for the use of RAS_Prime;

    - Postings should be related to gliders and soaring. Important and fun general aviation topics are also encouraged.
    - Be respectful of everyone. Disagreements will happen but must be discussed in a courteous fashion. No flaming is allowed.
    - Please stay on topic in a posting. Don't sideline a discussion with unrelated information. Instead start a new conversation.
    - Non-aviation topics are not allowed. No political discussions. No hateful or discriminatory postings are allowed. No spamming of any sort.
    - Please limit commercial postings to announcing new aviation products or services.
    - Advertise for sale, or wanted, personal owned aviation items which are primarily glider related. Start the post's subject line with "FS:" ("For Sale") or "WTB:" (Want to Buy"). Also use glidersource.com to advertise.

    The moderators do not want to limit any discussions. We will give everyone the benefit of the doubt and will provide warnings to those that stray away from our guidelines. However, the moderators may need to remove posts that do not follow the
    guidelines or, in egregious cases, the moderator may remove users that continually break the rules.

    RAS Prime is basically dead and Elvis is not doing so well himself. October looked promising, and November showed improvement but then came December and January, what is going on, can't you alternative lifestyle types get things rolling? It must be a
    motorglider thing. Old Bob, The Purist

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jon@21:1/5 to youngbl...@gmail.com on Tue Jan 17 18:32:49 2023
    On 1/17/23 3:39 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 4:41:56 PM UTC-5, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:
    About a month ago after the new year a RAS conversation started concerning the foibles, limitations, and conundrums, of our beloved USENET group.

    During that conversation I announced the existence of what I consider a sister group, not a replacement for, the venerable RAS group. RAS has a very long history and the content is a very valuable historical resource going back decades.

    But RAS has its issues. One is that there is no method to block within a USENET group the various forms of SPAM that we see infiltrating our group. I have witnessed this issue kill several of my favorite USENET groups over the years.

    The sister group that I speak of is called RAS_Prime and exists in the Google cloud. This new group is devoted to the free exchange of information on all glider related topics. Anyone can join the RAS_Prime Google group!

    We now have about 90 users. We may fall on our face. Call this an experiment.

    Give it a try. You might just like it.

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/rasprime/join

    ====================

    RAS_Prime is dedicated to trying its very best to be a respectful place for everyone to talk about the sport that they love. As I mentioned above RAS_Prime lives alongside the venerable Usenet Network News group informally known as "RAS" (rec.aviation.
    soaring).

    Google Groups has several advantages over Usenet Groups;

    - Web based access to the group as well as email reading and responding
    - Integration with the Google universe of applications
    - SPAM/SPAMers limiting/removal capability
    - File and image attachment and storage

    See more details on the advantages of a Google group versus a Usenet group at https://usenetreviewz.com/usenet-newsgroups-vs-google-groups.

    Here are some common sense guidelines (thus far) for the use of RAS_Prime; >>
    - Postings should be related to gliders and soaring. Important and fun general aviation topics are also encouraged.
    - Be respectful of everyone. Disagreements will happen but must be discussed in a courteous fashion. No flaming is allowed.
    - Please stay on topic in a posting. Don't sideline a discussion with unrelated information. Instead start a new conversation.
    - Non-aviation topics are not allowed. No political discussions. No hateful or discriminatory postings are allowed. No spamming of any sort.
    - Please limit commercial postings to announcing new aviation products or services.
    - Advertise for sale, or wanted, personal owned aviation items which are primarily glider related. Start the post's subject line with "FS:" ("For Sale") or "WTB:" (Want to Buy"). Also use glidersource.com to advertise.

    The moderators do not want to limit any discussions. We will give everyone the benefit of the doubt and will provide warnings to those that stray away from our guidelines. However, the moderators may need to remove posts that do not follow the
    guidelines or, in egregious cases, the moderator may remove users that continually break the rules.

    RAS Prime is basically dead and Elvis is not doing so well himself. October looked promising, and November showed improvement but then came December and January, what is going on, can't you alternative lifestyle types get things rolling? It must be a
    motorglider thing. Old Bob, The Purist

    I proposed a new website that would improve upon the issues that many
    have commented on regarding Usenet and Google Groups. It is still my
    position that Usenet's best days are behind it and Google Groups do not
    satisfy the requirements of modern website and community based
    solutions. I am still working on the new website though I haven't set a
    launch date as of yet.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From shaun_wheeler@hotmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 17 20:53:17 2023
    I'm going to wait for the 'purists' to weigh in on this.

    While I'm working on my touring motor glider.

    :)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From youngblood8116@gmail.com@21:1/5 to shaun_...@hotmail.com on Wed Jan 18 15:31:54 2023
    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 11:53:19 PM UTC-5, shaun_...@hotmail.com wrote:
    I'm going to wait for the 'purists' to weigh in on this.

    While I'm working on my touring motor glider.

    :)
    Shaun, why don't you get a hot air balloon and you can do touring with a balloon podcast, that should attract thousands and take the heat off the motorglider guys. OBTP

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  • From youngblood8116@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 1 08:26:44 2023
    On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 4:41:56 PM UTC-5, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:
    About a month ago after the new year a RAS conversation started concerning the foibles, limitations, and conundrums, of our beloved USENET group.

    During that conversation I announced the existence of what I consider a sister group, not a replacement for, the venerable RAS group. RAS has a very long history and the content is a very valuable historical resource going back decades.

    But RAS has its issues. One is that there is no method to block within a USENET group the various forms of SPAM that we see infiltrating our group. I have witnessed this issue kill several of my favorite USENET groups over the years.

    The sister group that I speak of is called RAS_Prime and exists in the Google cloud. This new group is devoted to the free exchange of information on all glider related topics. Anyone can join the RAS_Prime Google group!

    We now have about 90 users. We may fall on our face. Call this an experiment.

    Give it a try. You might just like it.

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/rasprime/join

    ====================

    RAS_Prime is dedicated to trying its very best to be a respectful place for everyone to talk about the sport that they love. As I mentioned above RAS_Prime lives alongside the venerable Usenet Network News group informally known as "RAS" (rec.aviation.
    soaring).

    Google Groups has several advantages over Usenet Groups;

    - Web based access to the group as well as email reading and responding
    - Integration with the Google universe of applications
    - SPAM/SPAMers limiting/removal capability
    - File and image attachment and storage

    See more details on the advantages of a Google group versus a Usenet group at https://usenetreviewz.com/usenet-newsgroups-vs-google-groups.

    Here are some common sense guidelines (thus far) for the use of RAS_Prime;

    - Postings should be related to gliders and soaring. Important and fun general aviation topics are also encouraged.
    - Be respectful of everyone. Disagreements will happen but must be discussed in a courteous fashion. No flaming is allowed.
    - Please stay on topic in a posting. Don't sideline a discussion with unrelated information. Instead start a new conversation.
    - Non-aviation topics are not allowed. No political discussions. No hateful or discriminatory postings are allowed. No spamming of any sort.
    - Please limit commercial postings to announcing new aviation products or services.
    - Advertise for sale, or wanted, personal owned aviation items which are primarily glider related. Start the post's subject line with "FS:" ("For Sale") or "WTB:" (Want to Buy"). Also use glidersource.com to advertise.

    The moderators do not want to limit any discussions. We will give everyone the benefit of the doubt and will provide warnings to those that stray away from our guidelines. However, the moderators may need to remove posts that do not follow the
    guidelines or, in egregious cases, the moderator may remove users that continually break the rules.

    What in the world is happening to this group??? No new postings for April, looks like this alternative group is falling faster than Biden's approval rating. Old Bob, The Purist

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  • From Dan Daly@21:1/5 to youngbl...@gmail.com on Mon May 1 09:13:53 2023
    On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 11:26:45 AM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 4:41:56 PM UTC-5, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:
    About a month ago after the new year a RAS conversation started concerning the foibles, limitations, and conundrums, of our beloved USENET group.

    During that conversation I announced the existence of what I consider a sister group, not a replacement for, the venerable RAS group. RAS has a very long history and the content is a very valuable historical resource going back decades.

    But RAS has its issues. One is that there is no method to block within a USENET group the various forms of SPAM that we see infiltrating our group. I have witnessed this issue kill several of my favorite USENET groups over the years.

    The sister group that I speak of is called RAS_Prime and exists in the Google cloud. This new group is devoted to the free exchange of information on all glider related topics. Anyone can join the RAS_Prime Google group!

    We now have about 90 users. We may fall on our face. Call this an experiment.

    Give it a try. You might just like it.

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/rasprime/join

    ====================

    RAS_Prime is dedicated to trying its very best to be a respectful place for everyone to talk about the sport that they love. As I mentioned above RAS_Prime lives alongside the venerable Usenet Network News group informally known as "RAS" (rec.
    aviation.soaring).

    Google Groups has several advantages over Usenet Groups;

    - Web based access to the group as well as email reading and responding
    - Integration with the Google universe of applications
    - SPAM/SPAMers limiting/removal capability
    - File and image attachment and storage

    See more details on the advantages of a Google group versus a Usenet group at https://usenetreviewz.com/usenet-newsgroups-vs-google-groups.

    Here are some common sense guidelines (thus far) for the use of RAS_Prime;

    - Postings should be related to gliders and soaring. Important and fun general aviation topics are also encouraged.
    - Be respectful of everyone. Disagreements will happen but must be discussed in a courteous fashion. No flaming is allowed.
    - Please stay on topic in a posting. Don't sideline a discussion with unrelated information. Instead start a new conversation.
    - Non-aviation topics are not allowed. No political discussions. No hateful or discriminatory postings are allowed. No spamming of any sort.
    - Please limit commercial postings to announcing new aviation products or services.
    - Advertise for sale, or wanted, personal owned aviation items which are primarily glider related. Start the post's subject line with "FS:" ("For Sale") or "WTB:" (Want to Buy"). Also use glidersource.com to advertise.

    The moderators do not want to limit any discussions. We will give everyone the benefit of the doubt and will provide warnings to those that stray away from our guidelines. However, the moderators may need to remove posts that do not follow the
    guidelines or, in egregious cases, the moderator may remove users that continually break the rules.
    What in the world is happening to this group??? No new postings for April, looks like this alternative group is falling faster than Biden's approval rating. Old Bob, The Purist

    It's because you keep showing up.

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  • From Gary Emerson@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 1 09:19:54 2023
    It's because you keep showing up.

    Burn! Hahaha....

    Old Bob, Tiny Penis

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  • From Dan Marotta@21:1/5 to youngbl...@gmail.com on Mon May 1 10:35:41 2023
    Excerpted from the long winded post: This new group is devoted to the
    free exchange of information

    If Google is involved, there's no "free exchange", only what Google
    deems appropriate. And, if you don't believe that, you haven't tried to research "inappropriate" topics which normally are defined as
    "conservative".

    It's just like the ancient cries for censorship on TV when it's a simple
    matter to change the channel or don't watch.

    I have no trouble with spam or obnoxious posters since, using an email
    client, it's a simple matter to create rules to prevent annoying stuff
    from coming to my laptop. The only thing keeping me from "banning"
    certain threads is the silent chuckle I get from reading the continuous
    pleas to "Save me from someone that I don't want to hear from."

    I like the two posts following Ol' Bob's latest. If you don't agree
    with someone, call him names. Very weak...

    Dan
    5J

    On 5/1/23 09:26, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    This new group is devoted to the free exchange of information

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  • From youngblood8116@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Dan Marotta on Mon May 1 11:53:42 2023
    On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:35:46 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
    Excerpted from the long winded post: This new group is devoted to the
    free exchange of information

    If Google is involved, there's no "free exchange", only what Google
    deems appropriate. And, if you don't believe that, you haven't tried to research "inappropriate" topics which normally are defined as "conservative".

    It's just like the ancient cries for censorship on TV when it's a simple matter to change the channel or don't watch.

    I have no trouble with spam or obnoxious posters since, using an email client, it's a simple matter to create rules to prevent annoying stuff
    from coming to my laptop. The only thing keeping me from "banning"
    certain threads is the silent chuckle I get from reading the continuous pleas to "Save me from someone that I don't want to hear from."

    I like the two posts following Ol' Bob's latest. If you don't agree
    with someone, call him names. Very weak...

    Dan
    5J
    On 5/1/23 09:26, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    This new group is devoted to the free exchange of information
    Dan, kind of concerning when a guy is infatuated with another mans penis, looks like Gary Emerson is coming out of the closet, and for Dan Daly, it must be a Canadian thing, after all they have Trudeau, the son of Fidel. Old Bob, The Purist

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  • From youngblood8116@gmail.com@21:1/5 to youngbl...@gmail.com on Mon May 1 13:34:21 2023
    On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 2:53:44 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:35:46 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
    Excerpted from the long winded post: This new group is devoted to the
    free exchange of information

    If Google is involved, there's no "free exchange", only what Google
    deems appropriate. And, if you don't believe that, you haven't tried to research "inappropriate" topics which normally are defined as "conservative".

    It's just like the ancient cries for censorship on TV when it's a simple matter to change the channel or don't watch.

    I have no trouble with spam or obnoxious posters since, using an email client, it's a simple matter to create rules to prevent annoying stuff from coming to my laptop. The only thing keeping me from "banning"
    certain threads is the silent chuckle I get from reading the continuous pleas to "Save me from someone that I don't want to hear from."

    I like the two posts following Ol' Bob's latest. If you don't agree
    with someone, call him names. Very weak...

    Dan
    5J
    On 5/1/23 09:26, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    This new group is devoted to the free exchange of information
    Dan, kind of concerning when a guy is infatuated with another mans penis, looks like Gary Emerson is coming out of the closet, and for Dan Daly, it must be a Canadian thing, after all they have Trudeau, the son of Fidel. Old Bob, The Purist
    On another note, what ever happened to Herbert, he got so ticked off when I called him Herbie?

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  • From Dan Marotta@21:1/5 to youngbl...@gmail.com on Tue May 2 11:11:07 2023
    How would you like to compared with a Volkswagen?

    Dan
    5J

    On 5/1/23 14:34, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 2:53:44 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:35:46 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
    Excerpted from the long winded post: This new group is devoted to the
    free exchange of information

    If Google is involved, there's no "free exchange", only what Google
    deems appropriate. And, if you don't believe that, you haven't tried to
    research "inappropriate" topics which normally are defined as
    "conservative".

    It's just like the ancient cries for censorship on TV when it's a simple >>> matter to change the channel or don't watch.

    I have no trouble with spam or obnoxious posters since, using an email
    client, it's a simple matter to create rules to prevent annoying stuff
    from coming to my laptop. The only thing keeping me from "banning"
    certain threads is the silent chuckle I get from reading the continuous
    pleas to "Save me from someone that I don't want to hear from."

    I like the two posts following Ol' Bob's latest. If you don't agree
    with someone, call him names. Very weak...

    Dan
    5J
    On 5/1/23 09:26, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    This new group is devoted to the free exchange of information
    Dan, kind of concerning when a guy is infatuated with another mans penis, looks like Gary Emerson is coming out of the closet, and for Dan Daly, it must be a Canadian thing, after all they have Trudeau, the son of Fidel. Old Bob, The Purist
    On another note, what ever happened to Herbert, he got so ticked off when I called him Herbie?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From youngblood8116@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Dan Marotta on Tue May 2 13:01:54 2023
    On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 1:11:11 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
    How would you like to compared with a Volkswagen?

    Dan
    5J

    Dan, the VW would have been an improvement over his raggedy butt motorglider. OBTP
    On 5/1/23 14:34, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 2:53:44 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:35:46 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
    Excerpted from the long winded post: This new group is devoted to the >>> free exchange of information

    If Google is involved, there's no "free exchange", only what Google
    deems appropriate. And, if you don't believe that, you haven't tried to >>> research "inappropriate" topics which normally are defined as
    "conservative".

    It's just like the ancient cries for censorship on TV when it's a simple >>> matter to change the channel or don't watch.

    I have no trouble with spam or obnoxious posters since, using an email >>> client, it's a simple matter to create rules to prevent annoying stuff >>> from coming to my laptop. The only thing keeping me from "banning"
    certain threads is the silent chuckle I get from reading the continuous >>> pleas to "Save me from someone that I don't want to hear from."

    I like the two posts following Ol' Bob's latest. If you don't agree
    with someone, call him names. Very weak...

    Dan
    5J
    On 5/1/23 09:26, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    This new group is devoted to the free exchange of information
    Dan, kind of concerning when a guy is infatuated with another mans penis, looks like Gary Emerson is coming out of the closet, and for Dan Daly, it must be a Canadian thing, after all they have Trudeau, the son of Fidel. Old Bob, The Purist
    On another note, what ever happened to Herbert, he got so ticked off when I called him Herbie?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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