• Musings and a Question

    From Dan Marotta@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 23 10:25:34 2024
    Does anyone other than me recall the days when one could execute a
    Boolean search on the internet?  Seems that, nowadays, the search
    engines retrieve what they think you want, not what you asked for, e.g.,
    do a simple search for, say 10 mm bolt, and see how much crap is
    returned.  Then you have to search through the crap to find what you
    used to be able to get simply by using a + or - sign in your search
    term.  Those things seem to be ignored these days.

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    Dan 5J

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  • From Sarah Anderson@21:1/5 to Dan Marotta on Fri Feb 23 13:55:25 2024
    It must be winter.

    I searched for "boolean search google" and got https://ahrefs.com/blog/google-advanced-search-operators/

    I normally use the stupidly named "duckduckgo" search engine. https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/syntax/


    On 2/23/24 11:25 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
    Does anyone other than me recall the days when one could execute a Boolean search on the internet?  Seems that, nowadays, the search
    engines retrieve what they think you want, not what you asked for, e.g., do a simple search for, say 10 mm bolt, and see how much
    crap is returned.  Then you have to search through the crap to find what you used to be able to get simply by using a + or - sign in
    your search term.  Those things seem to be ignored these days.


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  • From Eric G@21:1/5 to Sarah Anderson on Sat Feb 24 06:09:16 2024
    Those are helpful, and I also use duckduck, but revert to Google when dd doesn't find what
    I'm after.

    My biggest search is searching Amazon, where I find it very hard to narrow it's search. I
    don't know what it's rules are, but it sure doesn't follow Google rules. Sometimes, it's
    easier to narrow results if I search Amazon using Google. My guess is Amazon doesn't want
    to narrow the results you see.
    Eric G

    On 2/23/2024 11:55 AM, Sarah Anderson wrote:
    It must be winter.

    I searched for "boolean search google" and got https://ahrefs.com/blog/google-advanced-search-operators/

    I normally use the stupidly named "duckduckgo" search engine. https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/syntax/


    On 2/23/24 11:25 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
    Does anyone other than me recall the days when one could execute a Boolean search on the
    internet?  Seems that, nowadays, the search engines retrieve what they think you want,
    not what you asked for, e.g., do a simple search for, say 10 mm bolt, and see how much
    crap is returned.  Then you have to search through the crap to find what you used to be
    able to get simply by using a + or - sign in your search term.  Those things seem to be
    ignored these days.


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  • From Eric G@21:1/5 to Eric G on Sat Feb 24 06:18:30 2024
    That should be "My biggest search PEEVE is ..."
    Eric G


    On 2/24/2024 6:09 AM, Eric G wrote:
    Those are helpful, and I also use duckduck, but revert to Google when dd doesn't find what
    I'm after.

    My biggest search is searching Amazon, where I find it very hard to narrow it's search. I
    don't know what it's rules are, but it sure doesn't follow Google rules. Sometimes, it's
    easier to narrow results if I search Amazon using Google. My guess is Amazon doesn't want
    to narrow the results you see.
    Eric G

    On 2/23/2024 11:55 AM, Sarah Anderson wrote:
    It must be winter.

    I searched for "boolean search google" and got
    https://ahrefs.com/blog/google-advanced-search-operators/

    I normally use the stupidly named "duckduckgo" search engine.
    https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/syntax/


    On 2/23/24 11:25 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
    Does anyone other than me recall the days when one could execute a Boolean search on
    the internet?  Seems that, nowadays, the search engines retrieve what they think you
    want, not what you asked for, e.g., do a simple search for, say 10 mm bolt, and see how
    much crap is returned.  Then you have to search through the crap to find what you used
    to be able to get simply by using a + or - sign in your search term.  Those things seem
    to be ignored these days.



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  • From Dan Marotta@21:1/5 to Sarah Anderson on Sat Feb 24 09:25:26 2024
    Yes, It's winter in the Rockies and I broke my hip last week so I don't
    have much to do these days.

    I searched the web for advice on Boolean terms.  What used to be + and -
    are now AND and NOT.  I tried 'em out, searching for a product I knew to
    exist and using NOT to eliminate a particular brand.  The first three
    hits were the product that I wanted to eliminate.  Seems the web knows
    better than I do what I want.

    I use duckduckgo, too.

    Dan 5J
    On 2/23/24 12:55, Sarah Anderson wrote:
    It must be winter.

    I searched for "boolean search google" and got https://ahrefs.com/blog/google-advanced-search-operators/

    I normally use the stupidly named "duckduckgo" search engine. https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/syntax/


    On 2/23/24 11:25 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
    Does anyone other than me recall the days when one could execute a
    Boolean search on the internet?  Seems that, nowadays, the search
    engines retrieve what they think you want, not what you asked for,
    e.g., do a simple search for, say 10 mm bolt, and see how much crap
    is returned.  Then you have to search through the crap to find what
    you used to be able to get simply by using a + or - sign in your
    search term.  Those things seem to be ignored these days.


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  • From Charlie+@21:1/5 to dcmarotta@earthlink.net on Sun Feb 25 07:26:23 2024
    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 10:25:34 -0700, Dan Marotta
    <dcmarotta@earthlink.net> wrote as underneath :

    Does anyone other than me recall the days when one could execute a
    Boolean search on the internet?  Seems that, nowadays, the search
    engines retrieve what they think you want, not what you asked for, e.g.,
    do a simple search for, say 10 mm bolt, and see how much crap is
    returned.  Then you have to search through the crap to find what you
    used to be able to get simply by using a + or - sign in your search
    term.  Those things seem to be ignored these days.

    This is informative: https://support.startpage.com/hc/en-us/articles/4521473758228-Advanced-Search-on-Startpage
    Startpage is a meta engine so terms have to work on other search engines
    as well eg Google, Bing etc. C+

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  • From Dan Marotta@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 25 08:40:53 2024
    Hi Charlie,

    This looks promising!  Thanks!

    Dan 5J
    On 2/25/24 00:26, Charlie+ wrote:
    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 10:25:34 -0700, Dan Marotta
    <dcmarotta@earthlink.net> wrote as underneath :

    Does anyone other than me recall the days when one could execute a
    Boolean search on the internet?  Seems that, nowadays, the search
    engines retrieve what they think you want, not what you asked for, e.g.,
    do a simple search for, say 10 mm bolt, and see how much crap is
    returned.  Then you have to search through the crap to find what you
    used to be able to get simply by using a + or - sign in your search
    term.  Those things seem to be ignored these days.
    This is informative: https://support.startpage.com/hc/en-us/articles/4521473758228-Advanced-Search-on-Startpage
    Startpage is a meta engine so terms have to work on other search engines
    as well eg Google, Bing etc. C+

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