A developing situation in Florida is a cause for concern, the FAA wants to expand the Class B airspace westward form West Palm Beach that would almost include Pahokee, Fl.
This would have a serious effect on general aviation and especially glider flying in an area that would almost make it impossible to fly through the East corridor and get around Lake Okeechobee. This area is the only corridor East of the lake, soaring
pilots like R, and myself along with others will find this almost impossible to navigate. OBTP

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On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 4:15:36 AM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

A developing situation in Florida is a cause for concern, the FAA wants to expand the Class B airspace westward form West Palm Beach that would almost include Pahokee, Fl.
This would have a serious effect on general aviation and especially glider flying in an area that would almost make it impossible to fly through the East corridor and get around Lake Okeechobee. This area is the only corridor East of the lake, soaring

pilots like R, and myself along with others will find this almost impossible to navigate. OBTP
Immediately contact your SSA Region 8 director to find out what the SSA knows about the situation, and what they plan to do about it. Next step, have an AOPA member in your club contact the AOPA with the same questions.

I see West Palm Beach is currently Class C airspace. Is a change to Class B part of what the FAA is intending?

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On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 5:37:58 AM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 4:15:36 AM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

A developing situation in Florida is a cause for concern, the FAA wants to expand the Class B airspace westward form West Palm Beach that would almost include Pahokee, Fl.
This would have a serious effect on general aviation and especially glider flying in an area that would almost make it impossible to fly through the East corridor and get around Lake Okeechobee. This area is the only corridor East of the lake,

soaring pilots like R, and myself along with others will find this almost impossible to navigate. OBTP

Immediately contact your SSA Region 8 director to find out what the SSA knows about the situation, and what they plan to do about it. Next step, have an AOPA member in your club contact the AOPA with the same questions.

I see West Palm Beach is currently Class C airspace. Is a change to Class B part of what the FAA is intending?

Make that "Region 5", not Region 8!

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On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:37:58 AM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 4:15:36 AM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

A developing situation in Florida is a cause for concern, the FAA wants to expand the Class B airspace westward form West Palm Beach that would almost include Pahokee, Fl.
This would have a serious effect on general aviation and especially glider flying in an area that would almost make it impossible to fly through the East corridor and get around Lake Okeechobee. This area is the only corridor East of the lake,

soaring pilots like R, and myself along with others will find this almost impossible to navigate. OBTP

Immediately contact your SSA Region 8 director to find out what the SSA knows about the situation, and what they plan to do about it. Next step, have an AOPA member in your club contact the AOPA with the same questions.

I see West Palm Beach is currently Class C airspace. Is a change to Class B part of what the FAA is intending?

Myself and the SSA Region 11 Director were on the "FAA Class B Redesign" for KLAS many years ago. I'm sure SSA could provide some insight. The FAA wanted to extend the KLAS Class B out to 40nm, well beyond the normal 30nm Mode C Veil. Thankfully we were
able to hold them to 23nm around the ILS Rwy 1 approach corridor. This turned into a 2 1/2 to 3 yr process before it received final approval and publication.

Is there a local State, County or Airport Dept of Aviation that is showing the proposed change? Please post the link.

Bill

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On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 9:09:01 AM UTC-5, Bill Tisdale wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:37:58 AM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 4:15:36 AM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

A developing situation in Florida is a cause for concern, the FAA wants to expand the Class B airspace westward form West Palm Beach that would almost include Pahokee, Fl.
This would have a serious effect on general aviation and especially glider flying in an area that would almost make it impossible to fly through the East corridor and get around Lake Okeechobee. This area is the only corridor East of the lake,

soaring pilots like R, and myself along with others will find this almost impossible to navigate. OBTP

Immediately contact your SSA Region 8 director to find out what the SSA knows about the situation, and what they plan to do about it. Next step, have an AOPA member in your club contact the AOPA with the same questions.

I see West Palm Beach is currently Class C airspace. Is a change to Class B part of what the FAA is intending?

Myself and the SSA Region 11 Director were on the "FAA Class B Redesign" for KLAS many years ago. I'm sure SSA could provide some insight. The FAA wanted to extend the KLAS Class B out to 40nm, well beyond the normal 30nm Mode C Veil. Thankfully we

were able to hold them to 23nm around the ILS Rwy 1 approach corridor. This turned into a 2 1/2 to 3 yr process before it received final approval and publication.

Is there a local State, County or Airport Dept of Aviation that is showing the proposed change? Please post the link.

Bill

The hearing is Tuesday night, I will hopefully be there along with R, I will keep you posted. OBTP

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On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 5:15:46 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 9:09:01 AM UTC-5, Bill Tisdale wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:37:58 AM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 4:15:36 AM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

A developing situation in Florida is a cause for concern, the FAA wants to expand the Class B airspace westward form West Palm Beach that would almost include Pahokee, Fl.
This would have a serious effect on general aviation and especially glider flying in an area that would almost make it impossible to fly through the East corridor and get around Lake Okeechobee. This area is the only corridor East of the lake,

soaring pilots like R, and myself along with others will find this almost impossible to navigate. OBTP

Immediately contact your SSA Region 8 director to find out what the SSA knows about the situation, and what they plan to do about it. Next step, have an AOPA member in your club contact the AOPA with the same questions.

I see West Palm Beach is currently Class C airspace. Is a change to Class B part of what the FAA is intending?

Myself and the SSA Region 11 Director were on the "FAA Class B Redesign" for KLAS many years ago. I'm sure SSA could provide some insight. The FAA wanted to extend the KLAS Class B out to 40nm, well beyond the normal 30nm Mode C Veil. Thankfully we

were able to hold them to 23nm around the ILS Rwy 1 approach corridor. This turned into a 2 1/2 to 3 yr process before it received final approval and publication.

Is there a local State, County or Airport Dept of Aviation that is showing the proposed change? Please post the link.

Bill

The hearing is Tuesday night, I will hopefully be there along with R, I will keep you posted. OBTP

Thanks, I could not find anything online. There was some stuff that started 3 yrs ago, so perhaps this is the final? Also some stuff about changing chart references for a name change to KPBI. But I found nothing about extending the airspace as to the
west.
Bill

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On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:15:09 AM UTC-5, Bill Tisdale wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 5:15:46 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 9:09:01 AM UTC-5, Bill Tisdale wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:37:58 AM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 4:15:36 AM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

A developing situation in Florida is a cause for concern, the FAA wants to expand the Class B airspace westward form West Palm Beach that would almost include Pahokee, Fl.
This would have a serious effect on general aviation and especially glider flying in an area that would almost make it impossible to fly through the East corridor and get around Lake Okeechobee. This area is the only corridor East of the lake,

soaring pilots like R, and myself along with others will find this almost impossible to navigate. OBTP

Immediately contact your SSA Region 8 director to find out what the SSA knows about the situation, and what they plan to do about it. Next step, have an AOPA member in your club contact the AOPA with the same questions.

I see West Palm Beach is currently Class C airspace. Is a change to Class B part of what the FAA is intending?

Myself and the SSA Region 11 Director were on the "FAA Class B Redesign" for KLAS many years ago. I'm sure SSA could provide some insight. The FAA wanted to extend the KLAS Class B out to 40nm, well beyond the normal 30nm Mode C Veil. Thankfully we

were able to hold them to 23nm around the ILS Rwy 1 approach corridor. This turned into a 2 1/2 to 3 yr process before it received final approval and publication.

Is there a local State, County or Airport Dept of Aviation that is showing the proposed change? Please post the link.

Bill

The hearing is Tuesday night, I will hopefully be there along with R, I will keep you posted. OBTP

Thanks, I could not find anything online. There was some stuff that started 3 yrs ago, so perhaps this is the final? Also some stuff about changing chart references for a name change to KPBI. But I found nothing about extending the airspace as to the

west.

Bill

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I don't find anything either. let me know what happens at the meeting Tues. Hartley FAlbaum
SSA Director region 5
Thanks


On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:52:45 PM UTC-5, Soar MGSA wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:15:09 AM UTC-5, Bill Tisdale wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 5:15:46 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 9:09:01 AM UTC-5, Bill Tisdale wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:37:58 AM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 4:15:36 AM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

A developing situation in Florida is a cause for concern, the FAA wants to expand the Class B airspace westward form West Palm Beach that would almost include Pahokee, Fl.
This would have a serious effect on general aviation and especially glider flying in an area that would almost make it impossible to fly through the East corridor and get around Lake Okeechobee. This area is the only corridor East of the lake,

soaring pilots like R, and myself along with others will find this almost impossible to navigate. OBTP

Immediately contact your SSA Region 8 director to find out what the SSA knows about the situation, and what they plan to do about it. Next step, have an AOPA member in your club contact the AOPA with the same questions.

I see West Palm Beach is currently Class C airspace. Is a change to Class B part of what the FAA is intending?

Myself and the SSA Region 11 Director were on the "FAA Class B Redesign" for KLAS many years ago. I'm sure SSA could provide some insight. The FAA wanted to extend the KLAS Class B out to 40nm, well beyond the normal 30nm Mode C Veil. Thankfully

we were able to hold them to 23nm around the ILS Rwy 1 approach corridor. This turned into a 2 1/2 to 3 yr process before it received final approval and publication.

Is there a local State, County or Airport Dept of Aviation that is showing the proposed change? Please post the link.

Bill

The hearing is Tuesday night, I will hopefully be there along with R, I will keep you posted. OBTP

Thanks, I could not find anything online. There was some stuff that started 3 yrs ago, so perhaps this is the final? Also some stuff about changing chart references for a name change to KPBI. But I found nothing about extending the airspace as to the

west.

Bill

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On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:54:55 PM UTC-5, Hartley Falbaum wrote:

I don't find anything either. let me know what happens at the meeting Tues. Hartley FAlbaum
SSA Director region 5
Thanks
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:52:45 PM UTC-5, Soar MGSA wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:15:09 AM UTC-5, Bill Tisdale wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 5:15:46 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 9:09:01 AM UTC-5, Bill Tisdale wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:37:58 AM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 4:15:36 AM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

A developing situation in Florida is a cause for concern, the FAA wants to expand the Class B airspace westward form West Palm Beach that would almost include Pahokee, Fl.
This would have a serious effect on general aviation and especially glider flying in an area that would almost make it impossible to fly through the East corridor and get around Lake Okeechobee. This area is the only corridor East of the

lake, soaring pilots like R, and myself along with others will find this almost impossible to navigate. OBTP

Immediately contact your SSA Region 8 director to find out what the SSA knows about the situation, and what they plan to do about it. Next step, have an AOPA member in your club contact the AOPA with the same questions.

I see West Palm Beach is currently Class C airspace. Is a change to Class B part of what the FAA is intending?

Myself and the SSA Region 11 Director were on the "FAA Class B Redesign" for KLAS many years ago. I'm sure SSA could provide some insight. The FAA wanted to extend the KLAS Class B out to 40nm, well beyond the normal 30nm Mode C Veil.

Thankfully we were able to hold them to 23nm around the ILS Rwy 1 approach corridor. This turned into a 2 1/2 to 3 yr process before it received final approval and publication.

Is there a local State, County or Airport Dept of Aviation that is showing the proposed change? Please post the link.

Bill

The hearing is Tuesday night, I will hopefully be there along with R, I will keep you posted. OBTP

Thanks, I could not find anything online. There was some stuff that started 3 yrs ago, so perhaps this is the final? Also some stuff about changing chart references for a name change to KPBI. But I found nothing about extending the airspace as to

the west.

Bill

I do plan on being there along with "R" the motorglider guy, I hopefully will let you know more. OLD BOB, THE PURIST

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On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:58:46 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:54:55 PM UTC-5, Hartley Falbaum wrote:

I don't find anything either. let me know what happens at the meeting Tues.
Hartley FAlbaum
SSA Director region 5
Thanks
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:52:45 PM UTC-5, Soar MGSA wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:15:09 AM UTC-5, Bill Tisdale wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 5:15:46 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 9:09:01 AM UTC-5, Bill Tisdale wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:37:58 AM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 4:15:36 AM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

A developing situation in Florida is a cause for concern, the FAA wants to expand the Class B airspace westward form West Palm Beach that would almost include Pahokee, Fl.
This would have a serious effect on general aviation and especially glider flying in an area that would almost make it impossible to fly through the East corridor and get around Lake Okeechobee. This area is the only corridor East of the

lake, soaring pilots like R, and myself along with others will find this almost impossible to navigate. OBTP

Immediately contact your SSA Region 8 director to find out what the SSA knows about the situation, and what they plan to do about it. Next step, have an AOPA member in your club contact the AOPA with the same questions.

I see West Palm Beach is currently Class C airspace. Is a change to Class B part of what the FAA is intending?

Myself and the SSA Region 11 Director were on the "FAA Class B Redesign" for KLAS many years ago. I'm sure SSA could provide some insight. The FAA wanted to extend the KLAS Class B out to 40nm, well beyond the normal 30nm Mode C Veil.

Thankfully we were able to hold them to 23nm around the ILS Rwy 1 approach corridor. This turned into a 2 1/2 to 3 yr process before it received final approval and publication.

Is there a local State, County or Airport Dept of Aviation that is showing the proposed change? Please post the link.

Bill

The hearing is Tuesday night, I will hopefully be there along with R, I will keep you posted. OBTP

Thanks, I could not find anything online. There was some stuff that started 3 yrs ago, so perhaps this is the final? Also some stuff about changing chart references for a name change to KPBI. But I found nothing about extending the airspace as to

the west.

Bill

I do plan on being there along with "R" the motorglider guy, I hopefully will let you know more. OLD BOB, THE PURIST

It is in fact an extension of Class C, for what reason anybody knows. OBTP

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On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 3:52:06 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:58:46 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:54:55 PM UTC-5, Hartley Falbaum wrote:

I don't find anything either. let me know what happens at the meeting Tues.
Hartley FAlbaum
SSA Director region 5
Thanks
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:52:45 PM UTC-5, Soar MGSA wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:15:09 AM UTC-5, Bill Tisdale wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 5:15:46 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 9:09:01 AM UTC-5, Bill Tisdale wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:37:58 AM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 4:15:36 AM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

A developing situation in Florida is a cause for concern, the FAA wants to expand the Class B airspace westward form West Palm Beach that would almost include Pahokee, Fl.
This would have a serious effect on general aviation and especially glider flying in an area that would almost make it impossible to fly through the East corridor and get around Lake Okeechobee. This area is the only corridor East of

the lake, soaring pilots like R, and myself along with others will find this almost impossible to navigate. OBTP

Immediately contact your SSA Region 8 director to find out what the SSA knows about the situation, and what they plan to do about it. Next step, have an AOPA member in your club contact the AOPA with the same questions.

I see West Palm Beach is currently Class C airspace. Is a change to Class B part of what the FAA is intending?

Myself and the SSA Region 11 Director were on the "FAA Class B Redesign" for KLAS many years ago. I'm sure SSA could provide some insight. The FAA wanted to extend the KLAS Class B out to 40nm, well beyond the normal 30nm Mode C Veil.

Thankfully we were able to hold them to 23nm around the ILS Rwy 1 approach corridor. This turned into a 2 1/2 to 3 yr process before it received final approval and publication.

Is there a local State, County or Airport Dept of Aviation that is showing the proposed change? Please post the link.

Bill

The hearing is Tuesday night, I will hopefully be there along with R, I will keep you posted. OBTP

Thanks, I could not find anything online. There was some stuff that started 3 yrs ago, so perhaps this is the final? Also some stuff about changing chart references for a name change to KPBI. But I found nothing about extending the airspace as

to the west.

Bill

I do plan on being there along with "R" the motorglider guy, I hopefully will let you know more. OLD BOB, THE PURIST

It is in fact an extension of Class C, for what reason anybody knows. OBTP

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Palm Beach International Air Traffic Control Tower has submitted a proposed modification of PBI Class C Airspace. You are formally invited to attend the initial ad hoc committee meeting regarding the proposed
airspace change. The meeting will be held on December 7, 2023, from 4 – 6:30 pm, at the Palm Beach International Airport Administrative Offices, Building 846 - Main Conference Room. Additional information, including directions to the meeting and a
graphic of the proposed airspace modification are attached. If you are unable to attend in person, but would like to participate virtually, there will be opportunity to join via Zoom.Per FAA Order 7400.2P, Chapter 14-2-3(b), the FAA has requested the
Palm Beach County Department of Airports to coordinate the formation of the ad hoc committee. The sole intent of the committee is to give users the opportunity to provide input to the FAA regarding the proposed airspace modification. At the ad hoc
committee meeting, you can expect the following from FAA representatives:
A review of the FAA’s requirements for modifying Class C Airspace,
A review of the FAA’s policy for establishing ad hoc committees and the intended purpose of ad hoc committees, and
A briefing of the proposed airspace modification, and why an airspace change is needed.
Once the initial FAA briefing is complete, the FAA’s role on the committee will be limited to the role of technical advisor or subject matter expert only. The FAA is not a voting member of the group and is not responsible for the operation of the
committee or the development of recommendations. For your consideration, it is expected that at the initial meeting, the committee will elect a chairperson(s) to lead the committee’s efforts through completion of their work. Once completed, the
chairperson(s) will ensure that a written report is prepared summarizing the committee’s efforts and documenting its recommendations for FAA consideration.
If you, or your designee, plan to participate, please RSVP by emailing RSVP@pbia.org by November 30, 2023. Please note in the RSVP if you will attend in-person or virtually. A Zoom meeting invite will be sent to those that choose to attend virtually.
Thank you in advance for your anticipated participation. Please free to share this invitation with others that may be interested in the proposed airspace changes.
Thank you,
Michael Giambrone
Director of Airports Planning
Palm Beach County Department of Airports
846 Palm Beach International Airport
West Palm Beach, FL 33406 - (561) 471-7423

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On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 1:13:40 PM UTC-5, Paul Agnew wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 3:52:06 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:58:46 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:54:55 PM UTC-5, Hartley Falbaum wrote:

I don't find anything either. let me know what happens at the meeting Tues.
Hartley FAlbaum
SSA Director region 5
Thanks
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:52:45 PM UTC-5, Soar MGSA wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:15:09 AM UTC-5, Bill Tisdale wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 5:15:46 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 9:09:01 AM UTC-5, Bill Tisdale wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:37:58 AM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 4:15:36 AM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

A developing situation in Florida is a cause for concern, the FAA wants to expand the Class B airspace westward form West Palm Beach that would almost include Pahokee, Fl.
This would have a serious effect on general aviation and especially glider flying in an area that would almost make it impossible to fly through the East corridor and get around Lake Okeechobee. This area is the only corridor East of

the lake, soaring pilots like R, and myself along with others will find this almost impossible to navigate. OBTP

Immediately contact your SSA Region 8 director to find out what the SSA knows about the situation, and what they plan to do about it. Next step, have an AOPA member in your club contact the AOPA with the same questions.

I see West Palm Beach is currently Class C airspace. Is a change to Class B part of what the FAA is intending?

Myself and the SSA Region 11 Director were on the "FAA Class B Redesign" for KLAS many years ago. I'm sure SSA could provide some insight. The FAA wanted to extend the KLAS Class B out to 40nm, well beyond the normal 30nm Mode C Veil.

Thankfully we were able to hold them to 23nm around the ILS Rwy 1 approach corridor. This turned into a 2 1/2 to 3 yr process before it received final approval and publication.

Is there a local State, County or Airport Dept of Aviation that is showing the proposed change? Please post the link.

Bill

The hearing is Tuesday night, I will hopefully be there along with R, I will keep you posted. OBTP

Thanks, I could not find anything online. There was some stuff that started 3 yrs ago, so perhaps this is the final? Also some stuff about changing chart references for a name change to KPBI. But I found nothing about extending the airspace

as to the west.

Bill

I do plan on being there along with "R" the motorglider guy, I hopefully will let you know more. OLD BOB, THE PURIST

It is in fact an extension of Class C, for what reason anybody knows. OBTP

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Palm Beach International Air Traffic Control Tower has submitted a proposed modification of PBI Class C Airspace. You are formally invited to attend the initial ad hoc committee meeting regarding the proposed

airspace change. The meeting will be held on December 7, 2023, from 4 – 6:30 pm, at the Palm Beach International Airport Administrative Offices, Building 846 - Main Conference Room. Additional information, including directions to the meeting and a
graphic of the proposed airspace modification are attached. If you are unable to attend in person, but would like to participate virtually, there will be opportunity to join via Zoom.Per FAA Order 7400.2P, Chapter 14-2-3(b), the FAA has requested the
Palm Beach County Department of Airports to coordinate the formation of the ad hoc committee. The sole intent of the committee is to give users the opportunity to provide input to the FAA regarding the proposed airspace modification. At the ad hoc
committee meeting, you can expect the following from FAA representatives:

A review of the FAA’s requirements for modifying Class C Airspace,
A review of the FAA’s policy for establishing ad hoc committees and the intended purpose of ad hoc committees, and
A briefing of the proposed airspace modification, and why an airspace change is needed.
Once the initial FAA briefing is complete, the FAA’s role on the committee will be limited to the role of technical advisor or subject matter expert only. The FAA is not a voting member of the group and is not responsible for the operation of the

committee or the development of recommendations. For your consideration, it is expected that at the initial meeting, the committee will elect a chairperson(s) to lead the committee’s efforts through completion of their work. Once completed, the
chairperson(s) will ensure that a written report is prepared summarizing the committee’s efforts and documenting its recommendations for FAA consideration.

If you, or your designee, plan to participate, please RSVP by emailing RS...@pbia.org by November 30, 2023. Please note in the RSVP if you will attend in-person or virtually. A Zoom meeting invite will be sent to those that choose to attend virtually.

Thank you in advance for your anticipated participation. Please free to share this invitation with others that may be interested in the proposed airspace changes.

Thank you,
Michael Giambrone
Director of Airports Planning
Palm Beach County Department of Airports
846 Palm Beach International Airport
West Palm Beach, FL 33406 - (561) 471-7423

Did anyone else catch the irony?! This meeting is on Pearl Harbor day!

Seems not like the meeting OBTP and R are attending.

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On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 1:03:31 PM UTC-6, Charlie M. (UH, Pi & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:

On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 1:13:40 PM UTC-5, Paul Agnew wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 3:52:06 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:58:46 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:54:55 PM UTC-5, Hartley Falbaum wrote:

I don't find anything either. let me know what happens at the meeting Tues.
Hartley FAlbaum
SSA Director region 5
Thanks
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:52:45 PM UTC-5, Soar MGSA wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:15:09 AM UTC-5, Bill Tisdale wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 5:15:46 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 9:09:01 AM UTC-5, Bill Tisdale wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:37:58 AM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 4:15:36 AM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

A developing situation in Florida is a cause for concern, the FAA wants to expand the Class B airspace westward form West Palm Beach that would almost include Pahokee, Fl.
This would have a serious effect on general aviation and especially glider flying in an area that would almost make it impossible to fly through the East corridor and get around Lake Okeechobee. This area is the only corridor East

of the lake, soaring pilots like R, and myself along with others will find this almost impossible to navigate. OBTP

Immediately contact your SSA Region 8 director to find out what the SSA knows about the situation, and what they plan to do about it. Next step, have an AOPA member in your club contact the AOPA with the same questions.

I see West Palm Beach is currently Class C airspace. Is a change to Class B part of what the FAA is intending?

Myself and the SSA Region 11 Director were on the "FAA Class B Redesign" for KLAS many years ago. I'm sure SSA could provide some insight. The FAA wanted to extend the KLAS Class B out to 40nm, well beyond the normal 30nm Mode C Veil.

Thankfully we were able to hold them to 23nm around the ILS Rwy 1 approach corridor. This turned into a 2 1/2 to 3 yr process before it received final approval and publication.

Is there a local State, County or Airport Dept of Aviation that is showing the proposed change? Please post the link.

Bill

The hearing is Tuesday night, I will hopefully be there along with R, I will keep you posted. OBTP

Thanks, I could not find anything online. There was some stuff that started 3 yrs ago, so perhaps this is the final? Also some stuff about changing chart references for a name change to KPBI. But I found nothing about extending the airspace

as to the west.

Bill

I do plan on being there along with "R" the motorglider guy, I hopefully will let you know more. OLD BOB, THE PURIST

It is in fact an extension of Class C, for what reason anybody knows. OBTP

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Palm Beach International Air Traffic Control Tower has submitted a proposed modification of PBI Class C Airspace. You are formally invited to attend the initial ad hoc committee meeting regarding the proposed

airspace change. The meeting will be held on December 7, 2023, from 4 – 6:30 pm, at the Palm Beach International Airport Administrative Offices, Building 846 - Main Conference Room. Additional information, including directions to the meeting and a
graphic of the proposed airspace modification are attached. If you are unable to attend in person, but would like to participate virtually, there will be opportunity to join via Zoom.Per FAA Order 7400.2P, Chapter 14-2-3(b), the FAA has requested the
Palm Beach County Department of Airports to coordinate the formation of the ad hoc committee. The sole intent of the committee is to give users the opportunity to provide input to the FAA regarding the proposed airspace modification. At the ad hoc
committee meeting, you can expect the following from FAA representatives:

A review of the FAA’s requirements for modifying Class C Airspace,
A review of the FAA’s policy for establishing ad hoc committees and the intended purpose of ad hoc committees, and
A briefing of the proposed airspace modification, and why an airspace change is needed.
Once the initial FAA briefing is complete, the FAA’s role on the committee will be limited to the role of technical advisor or subject matter expert only. The FAA is not a voting member of the group and is not responsible for the operation of the

committee or the development of recommendations. For your consideration, it is expected that at the initial meeting, the committee will elect a chairperson(s) to lead the committee’s efforts through completion of their work. Once completed, the
chairperson(s) will ensure that a written report is prepared summarizing the committee’s efforts and documenting its recommendations for FAA consideration.

If you, or your designee, plan to participate, please RSVP by emailing RS...@pbia.org by November 30, 2023. Please note in the RSVP if you will attend in-person or virtually. A Zoom meeting invite will be sent to those that choose to attend virtually.

Thank you in advance for your anticipated participation. Please free to share this invitation with others that may be interested in the proposed airspace changes.

Thank you,
Michael Giambrone
Director of Airports Planning
Palm Beach County Department of Airports
846 Palm Beach International Airport
West Palm Beach, FL 33406 - (561) 471-7423

Did anyone else catch the irony?! This meeting is on Pearl Harbor day!

Seems not like the meeting OBTP and R are attending.

I was surprised my comments to the MIA B expansion were incorporated into the design. Make considered comments with loving speech and supporting flight traces...

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On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 3:49:55 PM UTC-5, Tony wrote:

On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 1:03:31 PM UTC-6, Charlie M. (UH, Pi & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:

On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 1:13:40 PM UTC-5, Paul Agnew wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 3:52:06 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:58:46 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:54:55 PM UTC-5, Hartley Falbaum wrote:

I don't find anything either. let me know what happens at the meeting Tues.
Hartley FAlbaum
SSA Director region 5
Thanks
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:52:45 PM UTC-5, Soar MGSA wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:15:09 AM UTC-5, Bill Tisdale wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 5:15:46 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 9:09:01 AM UTC-5, Bill Tisdale wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:37:58 AM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 4:15:36 AM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

A developing situation in Florida is a cause for concern, the FAA wants to expand the Class B airspace westward form West Palm Beach that would almost include Pahokee, Fl.
This would have a serious effect on general aviation and especially glider flying in an area that would almost make it impossible to fly through the East corridor and get around Lake Okeechobee. This area is the only corridor East

of the lake, soaring pilots like R, and myself along with others will find this almost impossible to navigate. OBTP

Immediately contact your SSA Region 8 director to find out what the SSA knows about the situation, and what they plan to do about it. Next step, have an AOPA member in your club contact the AOPA with the same questions.

I see West Palm Beach is currently Class C airspace. Is a change to Class B part of what the FAA is intending?

Myself and the SSA Region 11 Director were on the "FAA Class B Redesign" for KLAS many years ago. I'm sure SSA could provide some insight. The FAA wanted to extend the KLAS Class B out to 40nm, well beyond the normal 30nm Mode C Veil.

Thankfully we were able to hold them to 23nm around the ILS Rwy 1 approach corridor. This turned into a 2 1/2 to 3 yr process before it received final approval and publication.

Is there a local State, County or Airport Dept of Aviation that is showing the proposed change? Please post the link.

Bill

The hearing is Tuesday night, I will hopefully be there along with R, I will keep you posted. OBTP

Thanks, I could not find anything online. There was some stuff that started 3 yrs ago, so perhaps this is the final? Also some stuff about changing chart references for a name change to KPBI. But I found nothing about extending the

airspace as to the west.

Bill

I do plan on being there along with "R" the motorglider guy, I hopefully will let you know more. OLD BOB, THE PURIST

It is in fact an extension of Class C, for what reason anybody knows. OBTP

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Palm Beach International Air Traffic Control Tower has submitted a proposed modification of PBI Class C Airspace. You are formally invited to attend the initial ad hoc committee meeting regarding the

proposed airspace change. The meeting will be held on December 7, 2023, from 4 – 6:30 pm, at the Palm Beach International Airport Administrative Offices, Building 846 - Main Conference Room. Additional information, including directions to the meeting
and a graphic of the proposed airspace modification are attached. If you are unable to attend in person, but would like to participate virtually, there will be opportunity to join via Zoom.Per FAA Order 7400.2P, Chapter 14-2-3(b), the FAA has requested
the Palm Beach County Department of Airports to coordinate the formation of the ad hoc committee. The sole intent of the committee is to give users the opportunity to provide input to the FAA regarding the proposed airspace modification. At the ad hoc
committee meeting, you can expect the following from FAA representatives:

A review of the FAA’s requirements for modifying Class C Airspace,
A review of the FAA’s policy for establishing ad hoc committees and the intended purpose of ad hoc committees, and
A briefing of the proposed airspace modification, and why an airspace change is needed.
Once the initial FAA briefing is complete, the FAA’s role on the committee will be limited to the role of technical advisor or subject matter expert only. The FAA is not a voting member of the group and is not responsible for the operation of the

committee or the development of recommendations. For your consideration, it is expected that at the initial meeting, the committee will elect a chairperson(s) to lead the committee’s efforts through completion of their work. Once completed, the
chairperson(s) will ensure that a written report is prepared summarizing the committee’s efforts and documenting its recommendations for FAA consideration.

If you, or your designee, plan to participate, please RSVP by emailing RS...@pbia.org by November 30, 2023. Please note in the RSVP if you will attend in-person or virtually. A Zoom meeting invite will be sent to those that choose to attend

virtually. Thank you in advance for your anticipated participation. Please free to share this invitation with others that may be interested in the proposed airspace changes.

Thank you,
Michael Giambrone
Director of Airports Planning
Palm Beach County Department of Airports
846 Palm Beach International Airport
West Palm Beach, FL 33406 - (561) 471-7423

Did anyone else catch the irony?! This meeting is on Pearl Harbor day!

Seems not like the meeting OBTP and R are attending.

I was surprised my comments to the MIA B expansion were incorporated into the design. Make considered comments with loving speech and supporting flight traces...

So I guess being part of the problem is better than being part of the solution. Tony, why am I not surprised. OBTP

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On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 2:03:31 PM UTC-5, Charlie M. (UH, Pi & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:

On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 1:13:40 PM UTC-5, Paul Agnew wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 3:52:06 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:58:46 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:54:55 PM UTC-5, Hartley Falbaum wrote:

I don't find anything either. let me know what happens at the meeting Tues.
Hartley FAlbaum
SSA Director region 5
Thanks
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:52:45 PM UTC-5, Soar MGSA wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:15:09 AM UTC-5, Bill Tisdale wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 5:15:46 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 9:09:01 AM UTC-5, Bill Tisdale wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:37:58 AM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 4:15:36 AM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

A developing situation in Florida is a cause for concern, the FAA wants to expand the Class B airspace westward form West Palm Beach that would almost include Pahokee, Fl.
This would have a serious effect on general aviation and especially glider flying in an area that would almost make it impossible to fly through the East corridor and get around Lake Okeechobee. This area is the only corridor East

of the lake, soaring pilots like R, and myself along with others will find this almost impossible to navigate. OBTP

Immediately contact your SSA Region 8 director to find out what the SSA knows about the situation, and what they plan to do about it. Next step, have an AOPA member in your club contact the AOPA with the same questions.

I see West Palm Beach is currently Class C airspace. Is a change to Class B part of what the FAA is intending?

Myself and the SSA Region 11 Director were on the "FAA Class B Redesign" for KLAS many years ago. I'm sure SSA could provide some insight. The FAA wanted to extend the KLAS Class B out to 40nm, well beyond the normal 30nm Mode C Veil.

Thankfully we were able to hold them to 23nm around the ILS Rwy 1 approach corridor. This turned into a 2 1/2 to 3 yr process before it received final approval and publication.

Is there a local State, County or Airport Dept of Aviation that is showing the proposed change? Please post the link.

Bill

The hearing is Tuesday night, I will hopefully be there along with R, I will keep you posted. OBTP

Thanks, I could not find anything online. There was some stuff that started 3 yrs ago, so perhaps this is the final? Also some stuff about changing chart references for a name change to KPBI. But I found nothing about extending the airspace

as to the west.

Bill

I do plan on being there along with "R" the motorglider guy, I hopefully will let you know more. OLD BOB, THE PURIST

It is in fact an extension of Class C, for what reason anybody knows. OBTP

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Palm Beach International Air Traffic Control Tower has submitted a proposed modification of PBI Class C Airspace. You are formally invited to attend the initial ad hoc committee meeting regarding the proposed

airspace change. The meeting will be held on December 7, 2023, from 4 – 6:30 pm, at the Palm Beach International Airport Administrative Offices, Building 846 - Main Conference Room. Additional information, including directions to the meeting and a
graphic of the proposed airspace modification are attached. If you are unable to attend in person, but would like to participate virtually, there will be opportunity to join via Zoom.Per FAA Order 7400.2P, Chapter 14-2-3(b), the FAA has requested the
Palm Beach County Department of Airports to coordinate the formation of the ad hoc committee. The sole intent of the committee is to give users the opportunity to provide input to the FAA regarding the proposed airspace modification. At the ad hoc
committee meeting, you can expect the following from FAA representatives:

A review of the FAA’s requirements for modifying Class C Airspace,
A review of the FAA’s policy for establishing ad hoc committees and the intended purpose of ad hoc committees, and
A briefing of the proposed airspace modification, and why an airspace change is needed.
Once the initial FAA briefing is complete, the FAA’s role on the committee will be limited to the role of technical advisor or subject matter expert only. The FAA is not a voting member of the group and is not responsible for the operation of the

committee or the development of recommendations. For your consideration, it is expected that at the initial meeting, the committee will elect a chairperson(s) to lead the committee’s efforts through completion of their work. Once completed, the
chairperson(s) will ensure that a written report is prepared summarizing the committee’s efforts and documenting its recommendations for FAA consideration.

If you, or your designee, plan to participate, please RSVP by emailing RS...@pbia.org by November 30, 2023. Please note in the RSVP if you will attend in-person or virtually. A Zoom meeting invite will be sent to those that choose to attend virtually.

Thank you in advance for your anticipated participation. Please free to share this invitation with others that may be interested in the proposed airspace changes.

Thank you,
Michael Giambrone
Director of Airports Planning
Palm Beach County Department of Airports
846 Palm Beach International Airport
West Palm Beach, FL 33406 - (561) 471-7423

Did anyone else catch the irony?! This meeting is on Pearl Harbor day!

Seems not like the meeting OBTP and R are attending.

Thanks Paul

Everyone should make sure that the SSA is represented on the committee and a representative from each local soaring club that could be impacted.
It would be great of a graphic of the proposed change was available before 7 Dec. Note that the FAA Tower wants a change, but they ask the Airport Commission to run the "ad hoc" committee and they are the "Technical Advisors". AOPA should also be
involved.

Bill

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Exactly Right Bill;
OBTP sent me a picture of the proposed change. It really is major for his operation and "R" at Willis.
He and "R" will attend the meeting.
I will send the picture to SSA Government Liaison Committee, but for now local input is most important.

Hartley Falbaum
SSA Director Region 5



On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 10:02:40 PM UTC-5, Bill Tisdale wrote:

On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 2:03:31 PM UTC-5, Charlie M. (UH, Pi & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:

On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 1:13:40 PM UTC-5, Paul Agnew wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 3:52:06 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:58:46 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:54:55 PM UTC-5, Hartley Falbaum wrote:

I don't find anything either. let me know what happens at the meeting Tues.
Hartley FAlbaum
SSA Director region 5
Thanks
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:52:45 PM UTC-5, Soar MGSA wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:15:09 AM UTC-5, Bill Tisdale wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 5:15:46 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 9:09:01 AM UTC-5, Bill Tisdale wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:37:58 AM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 4:15:36 AM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

A developing situation in Florida is a cause for concern, the FAA wants to expand the Class B airspace westward form West Palm Beach that would almost include Pahokee, Fl.
This would have a serious effect on general aviation and especially glider flying in an area that would almost make it impossible to fly through the East corridor and get around Lake Okeechobee. This area is the only corridor East

of the lake, soaring pilots like R, and myself along with others will find this almost impossible to navigate. OBTP

Immediately contact your SSA Region 8 director to find out what the SSA knows about the situation, and what they plan to do about it. Next step, have an AOPA member in your club contact the AOPA with the same questions.

I see West Palm Beach is currently Class C airspace. Is a change to Class B part of what the FAA is intending?

Myself and the SSA Region 11 Director were on the "FAA Class B Redesign" for KLAS many years ago. I'm sure SSA could provide some insight. The FAA wanted to extend the KLAS Class B out to 40nm, well beyond the normal 30nm Mode C Veil.

Thankfully we were able to hold them to 23nm around the ILS Rwy 1 approach corridor. This turned into a 2 1/2 to 3 yr process before it received final approval and publication.

Is there a local State, County or Airport Dept of Aviation that is showing the proposed change? Please post the link.

Bill

The hearing is Tuesday night, I will hopefully be there along with R, I will keep you posted. OBTP

Thanks, I could not find anything online. There was some stuff that started 3 yrs ago, so perhaps this is the final? Also some stuff about changing chart references for a name change to KPBI. But I found nothing about extending the

airspace as to the west.

Bill

I do plan on being there along with "R" the motorglider guy, I hopefully will let you know more. OLD BOB, THE PURIST

It is in fact an extension of Class C, for what reason anybody knows. OBTP

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Palm Beach International Air Traffic Control Tower has submitted a proposed modification of PBI Class C Airspace. You are formally invited to attend the initial ad hoc committee meeting regarding the

proposed airspace change. The meeting will be held on December 7, 2023, from 4 – 6:30 pm, at the Palm Beach International Airport Administrative Offices, Building 846 - Main Conference Room. Additional information, including directions to the meeting
and a graphic of the proposed airspace modification are attached. If you are unable to attend in person, but would like to participate virtually, there will be opportunity to join via Zoom.Per FAA Order 7400.2P, Chapter 14-2-3(b), the FAA has requested
the Palm Beach County Department of Airports to coordinate the formation of the ad hoc committee. The sole intent of the committee is to give users the opportunity to provide input to the FAA regarding the proposed airspace modification. At the ad hoc
committee meeting, you can expect the following from FAA representatives:

A review of the FAA’s requirements for modifying Class C Airspace,
A review of the FAA’s policy for establishing ad hoc committees and the intended purpose of ad hoc committees, and
A briefing of the proposed airspace modification, and why an airspace change is needed.
Once the initial FAA briefing is complete, the FAA’s role on the committee will be limited to the role of technical advisor or subject matter expert only. The FAA is not a voting member of the group and is not responsible for the operation of the

committee or the development of recommendations. For your consideration, it is expected that at the initial meeting, the committee will elect a chairperson(s) to lead the committee’s efforts through completion of their work. Once completed, the
chairperson(s) will ensure that a written report is prepared summarizing the committee’s efforts and documenting its recommendations for FAA consideration.

If you, or your designee, plan to participate, please RSVP by emailing RS...@pbia.org by November 30, 2023. Please note in the RSVP if you will attend in-person or virtually. A Zoom meeting invite will be sent to those that choose to attend

virtually. Thank you in advance for your anticipated participation. Please free to share this invitation with others that may be interested in the proposed airspace changes.

Thank you,
Michael Giambrone
Director of Airports Planning
Palm Beach County Department of Airports
846 Palm Beach International Airport
West Palm Beach, FL 33406 - (561) 471-7423

Did anyone else catch the irony?! This meeting is on Pearl Harbor day!

Seems not like the meeting OBTP and R are attending.

Thanks Paul

Everyone should make sure that the SSA is represented on the committee and a representative from each local soaring club that could be impacted.
It would be great of a graphic of the proposed change was available before 7 Dec. Note that the FAA Tower wants a change, but they ask the Airport Commission to run the "ad hoc" committee and they are the "Technical Advisors". AOPA should also be

involved.

Bill

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On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 3:49:55 PM UTC-5, Tony wrote:

On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 1:03:31 PM UTC-6, Charlie M. (UH, Pi & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:

On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 1:13:40 PM UTC-5, Paul Agnew wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 3:52:06 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:58:46 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:54:55 PM UTC-5, Hartley Falbaum wrote:

I don't find anything either. let me know what happens at the meeting Tues.
Hartley FAlbaum
SSA Director region 5
Thanks
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:52:45 PM UTC-5, Soar MGSA wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:15:09 AM UTC-5, Bill Tisdale wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 5:15:46 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 9:09:01 AM UTC-5, Bill Tisdale wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:37:58 AM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 4:15:36 AM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

A developing situation in Florida is a cause for concern, the FAA wants to expand the Class B airspace westward form West Palm Beach that would almost include Pahokee, Fl.
This would have a serious effect on general aviation and especially glider flying in an area that would almost make it impossible to fly through the East corridor and get around Lake Okeechobee. This area is the only corridor East

of the lake, soaring pilots like R, and myself along with others will find this almost impossible to navigate. OBTP

Immediately contact your SSA Region 8 director to find out what the SSA knows about the situation, and what they plan to do about it. Next step, have an AOPA member in your club contact the AOPA with the same questions.

I see West Palm Beach is currently Class C airspace. Is a change to Class B part of what the FAA is intending?

Myself and the SSA Region 11 Director were on the "FAA Class B Redesign" for KLAS many years ago. I'm sure SSA could provide some insight. The FAA wanted to extend the KLAS Class B out to 40nm, well beyond the normal 30nm Mode C Veil.

Thankfully we were able to hold them to 23nm around the ILS Rwy 1 approach corridor. This turned into a 2 1/2 to 3 yr process before it received final approval and publication.

Is there a local State, County or Airport Dept of Aviation that is showing the proposed change? Please post the link.

Bill

The hearing is Tuesday night, I will hopefully be there along with R, I will keep you posted. OBTP

Thanks, I could not find anything online. There was some stuff that started 3 yrs ago, so perhaps this is the final? Also some stuff about changing chart references for a name change to KPBI. But I found nothing about extending the

airspace as to the west.

Bill

I do plan on being there along with "R" the motorglider guy, I hopefully will let you know more. OLD BOB, THE PURIST

It is in fact an extension of Class C, for what reason anybody knows. OBTP

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Palm Beach International Air Traffic Control Tower has submitted a proposed modification of PBI Class C Airspace. You are formally invited to attend the initial ad hoc committee meeting regarding the

proposed airspace change. The meeting will be held on December 7, 2023, from 4 – 6:30 pm, at the Palm Beach International Airport Administrative Offices, Building 846 - Main Conference Room. Additional information, including directions to the meeting
and a graphic of the proposed airspace modification are attached. If you are unable to attend in person, but would like to participate virtually, there will be opportunity to join via Zoom.Per FAA Order 7400.2P, Chapter 14-2-3(b), the FAA has requested
the Palm Beach County Department of Airports to coordinate the formation of the ad hoc committee. The sole intent of the committee is to give users the opportunity to provide input to the FAA regarding the proposed airspace modification. At the ad hoc
committee meeting, you can expect the following from FAA representatives:

A review of the FAA’s requirements for modifying Class C Airspace,
A review of the FAA’s policy for establishing ad hoc committees and the intended purpose of ad hoc committees, and
A briefing of the proposed airspace modification, and why an airspace change is needed.
Once the initial FAA briefing is complete, the FAA’s role on the committee will be limited to the role of technical advisor or subject matter expert only. The FAA is not a voting member of the group and is not responsible for the operation of the

committee or the development of recommendations. For your consideration, it is expected that at the initial meeting, the committee will elect a chairperson(s) to lead the committee’s efforts through completion of their work. Once completed, the
chairperson(s) will ensure that a written report is prepared summarizing the committee’s efforts and documenting its recommendations for FAA consideration.

If you, or your designee, plan to participate, please RSVP by emailing RS...@pbia.org by November 30, 2023. Please note in the RSVP if you will attend in-person or virtually. A Zoom meeting invite will be sent to those that choose to attend

virtually. Thank you in advance for your anticipated participation. Please free to share this invitation with others that may be interested in the proposed airspace changes.

Thank you,
Michael Giambrone
Director of Airports Planning
Palm Beach County Department of Airports
846 Palm Beach International Airport
West Palm Beach, FL 33406 - (561) 471-7423

Did anyone else catch the irony?! This meeting is on Pearl Harbor day!

Seems not like the meeting OBTP and R are attending.

I was surprised my comments to the MIA B expansion were incorporated into the design. Make considered comments with loving speech and supporting flight traces...

Bob, what are you talking about? Speaking up and offering alternatives to the design is being part of the process/solution...

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On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 4:09:32 AM UTC-5, Tony wrote:

On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 3:49:55 PM UTC-5, Tony wrote:

On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 1:03:31 PM UTC-6, Charlie M. (UH, Pi & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:

On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 1:13:40 PM UTC-5, Paul Agnew wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 3:52:06 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:58:46 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:54:55 PM UTC-5, Hartley Falbaum wrote:

I don't find anything either. let me know what happens at the meeting Tues.
Hartley FAlbaum
SSA Director region 5
Thanks
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 2:52:45 PM UTC-5, Soar MGSA wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:15:09 AM UTC-5, Bill Tisdale wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 5:15:46 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 9:09:01 AM UTC-5, Bill Tisdale wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:37:58 AM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 4:15:36 AM UTC-8, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:

A developing situation in Florida is a cause for concern, the FAA wants to expand the Class B airspace westward form West Palm Beach that would almost include Pahokee, Fl.
This would have a serious effect on general aviation and especially glider flying in an area that would almost make it impossible to fly through the East corridor and get around Lake Okeechobee. This area is the only corridor

East of the lake, soaring pilots like R, and myself along with others will find this almost impossible to navigate. OBTP

Immediately contact your SSA Region 8 director to find out what the SSA knows about the situation, and what they plan to do about it. Next step, have an AOPA member in your club contact the AOPA with the same questions.

I see West Palm Beach is currently Class C airspace. Is a change to Class B part of what the FAA is intending?

Myself and the SSA Region 11 Director were on the "FAA Class B Redesign" for KLAS many years ago. I'm sure SSA could provide some insight. The FAA wanted to extend the KLAS Class B out to 40nm, well beyond the normal 30nm Mode C

Veil. Thankfully we were able to hold them to 23nm around the ILS Rwy 1 approach corridor. This turned into a 2 1/2 to 3 yr process before it received final approval and publication.

Is there a local State, County or Airport Dept of Aviation that is showing the proposed change? Please post the link.

Bill

The hearing is Tuesday night, I will hopefully be there along with R, I will keep you posted. OBTP

Thanks, I could not find anything online. There was some stuff that started 3 yrs ago, so perhaps this is the final? Also some stuff about changing chart references for a name change to KPBI. But I found nothing about extending the

airspace as to the west.

Bill

I do plan on being there along with "R" the motorglider guy, I hopefully will let you know more. OLD BOB, THE PURIST

It is in fact an extension of Class C, for what reason anybody knows. OBTP

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Palm Beach International Air Traffic Control Tower has submitted a proposed modification of PBI Class C Airspace. You are formally invited to attend the initial ad hoc committee meeting regarding the

proposed airspace change. The meeting will be held on December 7, 2023, from 4 – 6:30 pm, at the Palm Beach International Airport Administrative Offices, Building 846 - Main Conference Room. Additional information, including directions to the meeting
and a graphic of the proposed airspace modification are attached. If you are unable to attend in person, but would like to participate virtually, there will be opportunity to join via Zoom.Per FAA Order 7400.2P, Chapter 14-2-3(b), the FAA has requested
the Palm Beach County Department of Airports to coordinate the formation of the ad hoc committee. The sole intent of the committee is to give users the opportunity to provide input to the FAA regarding the proposed airspace modification. At the ad hoc
committee meeting, you can expect the following from FAA representatives:

A review of the FAA’s requirements for modifying Class C Airspace,
A review of the FAA’s policy for establishing ad hoc committees and the intended purpose of ad hoc committees, and
A briefing of the proposed airspace modification, and why an airspace change is needed.
Once the initial FAA briefing is complete, the FAA’s role on the committee will be limited to the role of technical advisor or subject matter expert only. The FAA is not a voting member of the group and is not responsible for the operation of

the committee or the development of recommendations. For your consideration, it is expected that at the initial meeting, the committee will elect a chairperson(s) to lead the committee’s efforts through completion of their work. Once completed, the
chairperson(s) will ensure that a written report is prepared summarizing the committee’s efforts and documenting its recommendations for FAA consideration.

If you, or your designee, plan to participate, please RSVP by emailing RS...@pbia.org by November 30, 2023. Please note in the RSVP if you will attend in-person or virtually. A Zoom meeting invite will be sent to those that choose to attend

virtually. Thank you in advance for your anticipated participation. Please free to share this invitation with others that may be interested in the proposed airspace changes.

Thank you,
Michael Giambrone
Director of Airports Planning
Palm Beach County Department of Airports
846 Palm Beach International Airport
West Palm Beach, FL 33406 - (561) 471-7423

Did anyone else catch the irony?! This meeting is on Pearl Harbor day!

Seems not like the meeting OBTP and R are attending.

I was surprised my comments to the MIA B expansion were incorporated into the design. Make considered comments with loving speech and supporting flight traces...

Bob, what are you talking about? Speaking up and offering alternatives to the design is being part of the process/solution...

Tony, change is not always good ! If it the airport committee that is proposing this then who the hell are they? Bob

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I don't find anything either. let me know what happens at the meeting Tues.
Hartley FAlbaum
SSA Director region 5
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A developing situation in Florida is a cause for concern, the FAA wants to expand the Class B airspace westward form West Palm Beach that would almost include Pahokee, Fl.
This would have a serious effect on general aviation and especially glider flying in an area that would almost make it impossible to fly through the East corridor and get around Lake Okeechobee. This area is the only corridor

East of the lake, soaring pilots like R, and myself along with others will find this almost impossible to navigate. OBTP

Immediately contact your SSA Region 8 director to find out what the SSA knows about the situation, and what they plan to do about it. Next step, have an AOPA member in your club contact the AOPA with the same questions.

I see West Palm Beach is currently Class C airspace. Is a change to Class B part of what the FAA is intending?

Myself and the SSA Region 11 Director were on the "FAA Class B Redesign" for KLAS many years ago. I'm sure SSA could provide some insight. The FAA wanted to extend the KLAS Class B out to 40nm, well beyond the normal 30nm Mode C

Veil. Thankfully we were able to hold them to 23nm around the ILS Rwy 1 approach corridor. This turned into a 2 1/2 to 3 yr process before it received final approval and publication.

Is there a local State, County or Airport Dept of Aviation that is showing the proposed change? Please post the link.

Bill

The hearing is Tuesday night, I will hopefully be there along with R, I will keep you posted. OBTP

Thanks, I could not find anything online. There was some stuff that started 3 yrs ago, so perhaps this is the final? Also some stuff about changing chart references for a name change to KPBI. But I found nothing about extending the

airspace as to the west.

Bill

I do plan on being there along with "R" the motorglider guy, I hopefully will let you know more. OLD BOB, THE PURIST

It is in fact an extension of Class C, for what reason anybody knows. OBTP

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Palm Beach International Air Traffic Control Tower has submitted a proposed modification of PBI Class C Airspace. You are formally invited to attend the initial ad hoc committee meeting regarding the

proposed airspace change. The meeting will be held on December 7, 2023, from 4 – 6:30 pm, at the Palm Beach International Airport Administrative Offices, Building 846 - Main Conference Room. Additional information, including directions to the meeting
and a graphic of the proposed airspace modification are attached. If you are unable to attend in person, but would like to participate virtually, there will be opportunity to join via Zoom.Per FAA Order 7400.2P, Chapter 14-2-3(b), the FAA has requested
the Palm Beach County Department of Airports to coordinate the formation of the ad hoc committee. The sole intent of the committee is to give users the opportunity to provide input to the FAA regarding the proposed airspace modification. At the ad hoc
committee meeting, you can expect the following from FAA representatives:

A review of the FAA’s requirements for modifying Class C Airspace, A review of the FAA’s policy for establishing ad hoc committees and the intended purpose of ad hoc committees, and
A briefing of the proposed airspace modification, and why an airspace change is needed.
Once the initial FAA briefing is complete, the FAA’s role on the committee will be limited to the role of technical advisor or subject matter expert only. The FAA is not a voting member of the group and is not responsible for the operation of

the committee or the development of recommendations. For your consideration, it is expected that at the initial meeting, the committee will elect a chairperson(s) to lead the committee’s efforts through completion of their work. Once completed, the
chairperson(s) will ensure that a written report is prepared summarizing the committee’s efforts and documenting its recommendations for FAA consideration.

If you, or your designee, plan to participate, please RSVP by emailing RS...@pbia.org by November 30, 2023. Please note in the RSVP if you will attend in-person or virtually. A Zoom meeting invite will be sent to those that choose to attend

virtually. Thank you in advance for your anticipated participation. Please free to share this invitation with others that may be interested in the proposed airspace changes.

Thank you,
Michael Giambrone
Director of Airports Planning
Palm Beach County Department of Airports
846 Palm Beach International Airport
West Palm Beach, FL 33406 - (561) 471-7423

Did anyone else catch the irony?! This meeting is on Pearl Harbor day!

Seems not like the meeting OBTP and R are attending.

I was surprised my comments to the MIA B expansion were incorporated into the design. Make considered comments with loving speech and supporting flight traces...

Bob, what are you talking about? Speaking up and offering alternatives to the design is being part of the process/solution...

Tony, change is not always good ! If it the airport committee that is proposing this then who the hell are they? Bob

The FAA Tower asked for the redesign of the airspace. The FAA obviously must have a reason, increased traffic volume, reported near misses etc. to request the airspace change. They cannot run the committee to review the proposal. The local airport
authority is tasked to reach out to the users or "stakeholders" and run the review. The local airport authority also has to reach out to the local community for environmental impact and conduct various meetings with the communities around the airport.

Bill

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