I think so. Here's the third email received by the buyer of my Stemme (advertised on Wings & Wheels). In his previous email he said he was
"at Chicago, IL".

How to engage him? Tell him it will be 3-4 weeks after depositing his Cashier's Check before he'll be able to have his "agent" come to take possession?

Who knows - he might just be legitimate... Nah... Probably not.

Hello Dan,

Thanks for the quick mail-back and i can understand
you very clearly. I would like to let you know I am okay with the Terms
and Condition of sale as seen on the advert including Your Final asking
Price as Stated.I have gone through the content of the advert once again
am very satisfy.Payment will be made out via a Cashiers Checks which
will be issued to you for the payment and pick up will be arranged after
the cashiers checks is Fully Cleared by your Bank.I will not be able to
come over to view it because i'm always busy at work but i believe that
all the details of the advert are right and will want update about the
Service History. You don't have to worry yourself about the shipment, My Shipper will take care of pick up as soon as you confirm the payment is
Cleared by your Bank. Let me know if there is any other miscellaneous
payment like,the tax charges, etc that will be added to
it.Transportation and maintenance cost will be added to the Total amount
that will be issued on the Check. it will be used By My shipper who will
be coming for the Pick Up at your location after your bank confirms cash available for use.My shipper is the one that will act on my behalf
regards the documentation of the change of ownership so any signation
will be sign by my shipper pick up and other all necessary detail
information will be fill by shipper so don't worry yourself about the
change of ownership documentation will be taken care by my shipper.Get
Back to me with information listed below in order to make out the Check
and payment will be issued via first class Mail

Name to Be Write on The Check.
Address To Send the Check To so you receive and get it Deposited in your
bank.
Your Phone Numbers.
Bank Name.
Bank Address.
Never mind about the pick up, it will be after you must have cleared
the payment from your Bank Account. Await your Quick Response so that I
can arrange for the
payment immediately.

N.B....And the Check will have to be cleared before the pick up of the
item..
Thank you.

--
Dan
5J

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On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 4:00:21 PM UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:

I think so. Here's the third email received by the buyer of my Stemme (advertised on Wings & Wheels). In his previous email he said he was
"at Chicago, IL".

How to engage him? Tell him it will be 3-4 weeks after depositing his Cashier's Check before he'll be able to have his "agent" come to take possession?

Who knows - he might just be legitimate... Nah... Probably not.

Hello Dan,

Thanks for the quick mail-back and i can understand
you very clearly. I would like to let you know I am okay with the Terms
and Condition of sale as seen on the advert including Your Final asking Price as Stated.I have gone through the content of the advert once again
am very satisfy.Payment will be made out via a Cashiers Checks which
will be issued to you for the payment and pick up will be arranged after
the cashiers checks is Fully Cleared by your Bank.I will not be able to
come over to view it because i'm always busy at work but i believe that
all the details of the advert are right and will want update about the Service History. You don't have to worry yourself about the shipment, My Shipper will take care of pick up as soon as you confirm the payment is Cleared by your Bank. Let me know if there is any other miscellaneous payment like,the tax charges, etc that will be added to
it.Transportation and maintenance cost will be added to the Total amount that will be issued on the Check. it will be used By My shipper who will
be coming for the Pick Up at your location after your bank confirms cash available for use.My shipper is the one that will act on my behalf
regards the documentation of the change of ownership so any signation
will be sign by my shipper pick up and other all necessary detail information will be fill by shipper so don't worry yourself about the
change of ownership documentation will be taken care by my shipper.Get
Back to me with information listed below in order to make out the Check
and payment will be issued via first class Mail

Name to Be Write on The Check.
Address To Send the Check To so you receive and get it Deposited in your bank.
Your Phone Numbers.
Bank Name.
Bank Address.
Never mind about the pick up, it will be after you must have cleared
the payment from your Bank Account. Await your Quick Response so that I
can arrange for the
payment immediately.

N.B....And the Check will have to be cleared before the pick up of the item..
Thank you.

--
Dan
5J

Expect several scam attempts. Unfortunately, it's normal. I don't know of any way to prevent scam attempts or to 'get them'. One way to quickly shut down a scammer is to tell them the sale will go through AOPA AIRCRAFT TITLE AND ESCROW SERVICES. So far,
that has worked every time.

Sean

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On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 5:35:01 PM UTC-7, Hank Nixon wrote:

On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 6:00:21 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:

I think so. Here's the third email received by the buyer of my Stemme (advertised on Wings & Wheels). In his previous email he said he was
"at Chicago, IL".

How to engage him? Tell him it will be 3-4 weeks after depositing his Cashier's Check before he'll be able to have his "agent" come to take possession?

Who knows - he might just be legitimate... Nah... Probably not.

Hello Dan,

Thanks for the quick mail-back and i can understand
you very clearly. I would like to let you know I am okay with the Terms and Condition of sale as seen on the advert including Your Final asking Price as Stated.I have gone through the content of the advert once again am very satisfy.Payment will be made out via a Cashiers Checks which
will be issued to you for the payment and pick up will be arranged after the cashiers checks is Fully Cleared by your Bank.I will not be able to come over to view it because i'm always busy at work but i believe that all the details of the advert are right and will want update about the Service History. You don't have to worry yourself about the shipment, My Shipper will take care of pick up as soon as you confirm the payment is Cleared by your Bank. Let me know if there is any other miscellaneous payment like,the tax charges, etc that will be added to
it.Transportation and maintenance cost will be added to the Total amount that will be issued on the Check. it will be used By My shipper who will be coming for the Pick Up at your location after your bank confirms cash available for use.My shipper is the one that will act on my behalf
regards the documentation of the change of ownership so any signation
will be sign by my shipper pick up and other all necessary detail information will be fill by shipper so don't worry yourself about the change of ownership documentation will be taken care by my shipper.Get Back to me with information listed below in order to make out the Check and payment will be issued via first class Mail

Name to Be Write on The Check.
Address To Send the Check To so you receive and get it Deposited in your bank.
Your Phone Numbers.
Bank Name.
Bank Address.
Never mind about the pick up, it will be after you must have cleared
the payment from your Bank Account. Await your Quick Response so that I can arrange for the
payment immediately.

N.B....And the Check will have to be cleared before the pick up of the item..
Thank you.

--
Dan
5J

The poor language is a reasonable tip off .
UH

A dead giveaway of a scam is that the amount of the check is always more than the price of the item. "Transportation and maintenance cost will be added to the Total amount that will be issued on the Check"
Come on - WHY would he be paying you to transport the aircraft if his own shipper is picking it up? The last bogus "cashier's check" that I received added $1,950 to a $75 item. This, of course, is totally ridiculous, but why $1,950? It turns out that the
mule (the person hired in the US to print and mail the bogus check) resided in Colorado and the threshold for a felony fraud crime is $2,000. This amount kept it in the misdemeanor category.

The frustrating part is that the police are generally uninterested in an ATTEMPTED fraud, only one where you have actually lost money. I did report it and was interviewed by a local police sergeant, but the Colorado police were not interested in the case.

BTW, you can get commercial check printing software that will produce very credible looking cashier's checks. I reported this case to the bank who immediately suspended the account.

Tom 2G

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On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 6:00:21 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:

I think so. Here's the third email received by the buyer of my Stemme (advertised on Wings & Wheels). In his previous email he said he was
"at Chicago, IL".

How to engage him? Tell him it will be 3-4 weeks after depositing his Cashier's Check before he'll be able to have his "agent" come to take possession?

Who knows - he might just be legitimate... Nah... Probably not.

Hello Dan,

Thanks for the quick mail-back and i can understand
you very clearly. I would like to let you know I am okay with the Terms
and Condition of sale as seen on the advert including Your Final asking Price as Stated.I have gone through the content of the advert once again
am very satisfy.Payment will be made out via a Cashiers Checks which
will be issued to you for the payment and pick up will be arranged after
the cashiers checks is Fully Cleared by your Bank.I will not be able to
come over to view it because i'm always busy at work but i believe that
all the details of the advert are right and will want update about the Service History. You don't have to worry yourself about the shipment, My Shipper will take care of pick up as soon as you confirm the payment is Cleared by your Bank. Let me know if there is any other miscellaneous payment like,the tax charges, etc that will be added to
it.Transportation and maintenance cost will be added to the Total amount that will be issued on the Check. it will be used By My shipper who will
be coming for the Pick Up at your location after your bank confirms cash available for use.My shipper is the one that will act on my behalf
regards the documentation of the change of ownership so any signation
will be sign by my shipper pick up and other all necessary detail information will be fill by shipper so don't worry yourself about the
change of ownership documentation will be taken care by my shipper.Get
Back to me with information listed below in order to make out the Check
and payment will be issued via first class Mail

Name to Be Write on The Check.
Address To Send the Check To so you receive and get it Deposited in your bank.
Your Phone Numbers.
Bank Name.
Bank Address.
Never mind about the pick up, it will be after you must have cleared
the payment from your Bank Account. Await your Quick Response so that I
can arrange for the
payment immediately.

N.B....And the Check will have to be cleared before the pick up of the item..
Thank you.

--
Dan
5J

The poor language is a reasonable tip off .
UH

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It's exactly what Tom (2G) said: Every time there is a cashiers or bank check for more than the purchaser price it's a scam and you will be asked to "refund" the extra to the shipper, the buyer, or somebody. Then they all disappear and the check is a
fake. You are out the real money that you refunded.

But I don't care because I just won a Nigerian lottery and I only need to send a few hundred dollars to get the money here. Then I can buy the Stemme . . .
ROY

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The biggest tipoff id that he never once refers to what the product is. Nowhere does he mention "Stemme."

Just wait until AI makes these things seem "real."

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On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:27:45 PM UTC-5, Roy B. wrote:

It's exactly what Tom (2G) said: Every time there is a cashiers or bank check for more than the purchaser price it's a scam and you will be asked to "refund" the extra to the shipper, the buyer, or somebody. Then they all disappear and the check is a

fake. You are out the real money that you refunded.

But I don't care because I just won a Nigerian lottery and I only need to send a few hundred dollars to get the money here. Then I can buy the Stemme . . .
ROY

The true tip off is WHO THE HELL WRITES THIS DETAILED OF AN EMAIL? EVER.

I would have just written "I'm on my way with cash!".

You have to wonder what percentage of time this actually works.

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On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 8:02:18 AM UTC-7, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:

On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:27:45 PM UTC-5, Roy B. wrote:

It's exactly what Tom (2G) said: Every time there is a cashiers or bank check for more than the purchaser price it's a scam and you will be asked to "refund" the extra to the shipper, the buyer, or somebody. Then they all disappear and the check is a

fake. You are out the real money that you refunded.

$30,00
But I don't care because I just won a Nigerian lottery and I only need to send a few hundred dollars to get the money here. Then I can buy the Stemme . . .
ROY

The true tip off is WHO THE HELL WRITES THIS DETAILED OF AN EMAIL? EVER.

I would have just written "I'm on my way with cash!".

You have to wonder what percentage of time this actually works.

The short answer is A LOT! The total losses in 2013 to Nigerian 419 scams was over TWELVE BILLION DOLLARS, and the losses are increasing every year!
https://www.ultrascan-agi.com/Millions%20of%20victims%20lost%20$12-7B%20last%20year%20falling%20for%20Nigerian%20scams.html
A small loss is anything up to $30,000, and people have been scammed for amounts up to twelve MILLION. Surprisingly, smart people are easier to scam than "dumb" people:

"Doctors are especially vulnerable to scams that encouraged them to do good. They very often fall for a
scam that starts with a request to help the less fortunate in the world through good causes. To perpetrate
the bigger scams you need the victims to trust their own capabilities and experience.
A significant number of high-loss cases involved specialists such as psychiatrists, psychologists and neurosurgeons."

https://www.ultrascan-agi.com/assets/files/Pre-Release-419_Advance_Fee_Fraud_Statistics_2013-July-10-2014-NOT-FINAL-1.pdf

The more garden variety scams are tracked by the BBB: https://bbbfoundation.images.worldnow.com/library/8923baa8-e503-45c9-9f2c-c57995ed4a2e.pdf
Craigslist style scams, such as the one Dan and I were targeted with, only amount to 3.2% of all reported scams with a loss.

The bottom line is that these scams work often enough to be lucrative to the scammers, otherwise they would give up. It's all about volume. I get multiple scam emails every day; multiple that by 300 million - and that is just in the US!

Tom 2G

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Since I suggested that he set up an escrow account for the purchase
price, I haven't heard back.

Dan
5J

On 10/27/23 16:00, Dan Marotta wrote:

I think so.  Here's the third email received by the buyer of my Stemme (advertised on Wings & Wheels).  In his previous email he said he was
"at Chicago, IL".

How to engage him?  Tell him it will be 3-4 weeks after depositing his Cashier's Check before he'll be able to have his "agent" come to take possession?

Who knows - he might just be legitimate...  Nah...  Probably not.

Hello Dan,

                  Thanks for the quick mail-back and i can understand
you very clearly. I would like to let you know I am okay with the Terms
and Condition of sale as seen on the advert including Your Final asking
Price as Stated.I have gone through the content of the advert once again
am very satisfy.Payment will be made out via a Cashiers Checks which
will be issued to you for the payment and pick up will be arranged after
the cashiers checks is Fully Cleared by your Bank.I will not be able to
come over to view it because i'm always busy at work but i believe that
all the details of the advert are right and will want update about the Service History. You don't have to worry yourself about the shipment, My Shipper will take care of pick up as soon as you confirm the payment is Cleared by your Bank. Let me know if there is any other miscellaneous
payment like,the tax charges, etc that will be added to
it.Transportation and maintenance cost will be added to the Total amount
that will be issued on the Check. it will be used By My shipper who will
be coming for the Pick Up at your location after your bank confirms cash available for use.My shipper is the one that will act on my behalf
regards the documentation of the change of ownership so any signation
will be sign by my shipper pick up and other all necessary detail
information will be fill by shipper so don't worry yourself about the
change of ownership documentation will be taken care by my shipper.Get
Back to me with information listed below in order to make out the Check
and payment will be issued via first class Mail

Name to Be Write on The Check.
Address To Send the Check To so you receive and get it Deposited in your bank.
Your Phone Numbers.
Bank Name.
Bank Address.
Never mind about the pick up, it will be after you must have cleared the payment from your Bank Account. Await your Quick Response so that I can arrange for the
payment immediately.

N.B....And the Check will have to be cleared before the pick up of the
item..
Thank you.

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On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 10:04:10 AM UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:

Since I suggested that he set up an escrow account for the purchase
price, I haven't heard back.

Dan
5J
On 10/27/23 16:00, Dan Marotta wrote:

I think so. Here's the third email received by the buyer of my Stemme (advertised on Wings & Wheels). In his previous email he said he was
"at Chicago, IL".

How to engage him? Tell him it will be 3-4 weeks after depositing his Cashier's Check before he'll be able to have his "agent" come to take possession?

Who knows - he might just be legitimate... Nah... Probably not.

Hello Dan,

Thanks for the quick mail-back and i can understand
you very clearly. I would like to let you know I am okay with the Terms and Condition of sale as seen on the advert including Your Final asking Price as Stated.I have gone through the content of the advert once again am very satisfy.Payment will be made out via a Cashiers Checks which
will be issued to you for the payment and pick up will be arranged after the cashiers checks is Fully Cleared by your Bank.I will not be able to come over to view it because i'm always busy at work but i believe that all the details of the advert are right and will want update about the Service History. You don't have to worry yourself about the shipment, My Shipper will take care of pick up as soon as you confirm the payment is Cleared by your Bank. Let me know if there is any other miscellaneous payment like,the tax charges, etc that will be added to
it.Transportation and maintenance cost will be added to the Total amount that will be issued on the Check. it will be used By My shipper who will be coming for the Pick Up at your location after your bank confirms cash available for use.My shipper is the one that will act on my behalf
regards the documentation of the change of ownership so any signation
will be sign by my shipper pick up and other all necessary detail information will be fill by shipper so don't worry yourself about the change of ownership documentation will be taken care by my shipper.Get Back to me with information listed below in order to make out the Check and payment will be issued via first class Mail

Name to Be Write on The Check.
Address To Send the Check To so you receive and get it Deposited in your bank.
Your Phone Numbers.
Bank Name.
Bank Address.
Never mind about the pick up, it will be after you must have cleared the payment from your Bank Account. Await your Quick Response so that I can arrange for the
payment immediately.

N.B....And the Check will have to be cleared before the pick up of the item..
Thank you.

So far, works every time. Nice.

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