This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMng
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMng
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 6:59:10 PM UTC-7, Doug Bailey wrote:ballistic recovery parachute. One of the key failure mechanisms with Li-ion batteries is the propensity to catch fire - it would be pretty horrible to be stuck in the aircraft with the battery in flames and no means of making a safe exit. Pulling the
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 5:44:27 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMngScary. When I was looking for an electric sustainer/self launcher I checked out the GP series. Leaving aside their supply chain and cash-flow challenges, the technical reason that I discounted their design was that they had a very small cockpit and a
The ideal situation might be a glider equipped a BRS and provision for a personal parachute. There are, however, many aircraft with just a BRS. Most of these are LSA airplanes with a Rotax engines and gasoline, a combination that's can catch fire. MyPhoenix U15 touring motorglider (LSA glider category) is one of those.
Current EASA regulations require the battery container to safely contain a cell that ignites and burns to completion, without igniting other cells or damaging the structure. For gliders that meet those criteria, I think the usual reasons to bail outwould be significantly more likely than fires, and that overall, I'd be safer with just a BRS than just a personal parachute.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 5:44:27 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:ballistic recovery parachute. One of the key failure mechanisms with Li-ion batteries is the propensity to catch fire - it would be pretty horrible to be stuck in the aircraft with the battery in flames and no means of making a safe exit. Pulling the
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMngScary. When I was looking for an electric sustainer/self launcher I checked out the GP series. Leaving aside their supply chain and cash-flow challenges, the technical reason that I discounted their design was that they had a very small cockpit and a
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 6:59:10 PM UTC-7, Doug Bailey wrote:ballistic recovery parachute. One of the key failure mechanisms with Li-ion batteries is the propensity to catch fire - it would be pretty horrible to be stuck in the aircraft with the battery in flames and no means of making a safe exit. Pulling the
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 5:44:27 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMngScary. When I was looking for an electric sustainer/self launcher I checked out the GP series. Leaving aside their supply chain and cash-flow challenges, the technical reason that I discounted their design was that they had a very small cockpit and a
The ideal situation might be a glider equipped a BRS and provision for a personal parachute. There are, however, many aircraft with just a BRS. Most of these are LSA airplanes with a Rotax engines and gasoline, a combination that's can catch fire. MyPhoenix U15 touring motorglider (LSA glider category) is one of those.
Current EASA regulations require the battery container to safely contain a cell that ignites and burns to completion, without igniting other cells or damaging the structure. For gliders that meet those criteria, I think the usual reasons to bail outwould be significantly more likely than fires, and that overall, I'd be safer with just a BRS than just a personal parachute.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 5:44:27 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMngThis just in! Rash of spectacular fires sparks doubts about decades-old energy policies!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwwWkvzlco8 https://lailluminator.com/2023/08/25/fire-at-marathon-refinery-in-st-john-parish-burns-for-seven-hours/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/05/20/refinery-fires-east-texas-pollution/
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 10:38:57 AM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:a ballistic recovery parachute. One of the key failure mechanisms with Li-ion batteries is the propensity to catch fire - it would be pretty horrible to be stuck in the aircraft with the battery in flames and no means of making a safe exit. Pulling the
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 6:59:10 PM UTC-7, Doug Bailey wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 5:44:27 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMngScary. When I was looking for an electric sustainer/self launcher I checked out the GP series. Leaving aside their supply chain and cash-flow challenges, the technical reason that I discounted their design was that they had a very small cockpit and
Phoenix U15 touring motorglider (LSA glider category) is one of those.The ideal situation might be a glider equipped a BRS and provision for a personal parachute. There are, however, many aircraft with just a BRS. Most of these are LSA airplanes with a Rotax engines and gasoline, a combination that's can catch fire. My
would be significantly more likely than fires, and that overall, I'd be safer with just a BRS than just a personal parachute.Current EASA regulations require the battery container to safely contain a cell that ignites and burns to completion, without igniting other cells or damaging the structure. For gliders that meet those criteria, I think the usual reasons to bail out
I forgot to mention the battery pack must be tested using a cell that ignites to demonstrate it can actually protect the glider structure when a cell catches fire in real battery pack. I'd like to see videos of the testing, though a test of asuccessful design would be a bit boring, as just the fumes would exhaust from the test article, no flames or explosions.
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 8:58:08 PM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:and a ballistic recovery parachute. One of the key failure mechanisms with Li-ion batteries is the propensity to catch fire - it would be pretty horrible to be stuck in the aircraft with the battery in flames and no means of making a safe exit. Pulling
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 10:38:57 AM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 6:59:10 PM UTC-7, Doug Bailey wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 5:44:27 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMngScary. When I was looking for an electric sustainer/self launcher I checked out the GP series. Leaving aside their supply chain and cash-flow challenges, the technical reason that I discounted their design was that they had a very small cockpit
My Phoenix U15 touring motorglider (LSA glider category) is one of those.The ideal situation might be a glider equipped a BRS and provision for a personal parachute. There are, however, many aircraft with just a BRS. Most of these are LSA airplanes with a Rotax engines and gasoline, a combination that's can catch fire.
out would be significantly more likely than fires, and that overall, I'd be safer with just a BRS than just a personal parachute.Current EASA regulations require the battery container to safely contain a cell that ignites and burns to completion, without igniting other cells or damaging the structure. For gliders that meet those criteria, I think the usual reasons to bail
successful design would be a bit boring, as just the fumes would exhaust from the test article, no flames or explosions.I forgot to mention the battery pack must be tested using a cell that ignites to demonstrate it can actually protect the glider structure when a cell catches fire in real battery pack. I'd like to see videos of the testing, though a test of a
Yup - as I said, everyone makes their own choice about acceptable risk; I'm planning to wear a parachute when flying a glider with a large Li-ion battery. I simply don't believe that any reasonable enclosure can contain every conceivable failuremechanism - there's just too much energy in too small a volume. I'm not afraid of it - but as a power engineer I have a lot of respect for energy density. In our lab, when someone blows up a power device they have to buy a box of ice cream for the
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:56:31 AM UTC-7, GliderCZ wrote:About as relevant to a soaring discussion group as a fire in an energy storage facility, unless you just want to rant about technology that you dislike. No one is forcing you to by an EV, battery storage, or an FES glider. Most can make our own decisions
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 5:44:27 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMngThis just in! Rash of spectacular fires sparks doubts about decades-old energy policies!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwwWkvzlco8 https://lailluminator.com/2023/08/25/fire-at-marathon-refinery-in-st-john-parish-burns-for-seven-hours/I am unaware of any propane-powered motorgliders; perhaps you can enlighten me?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/05/20/refinery-fires-east-texas-pollution/
Tom 2G
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:20:23 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:decisions regardless of someone propagandizing for the luddite community. You started the thread, right?
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:56:31 AM UTC-7, GliderCZ wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 5:44:27 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMngThis just in! Rash of spectacular fires sparks doubts about decades-old energy policies!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwwWkvzlco8 https://lailluminator.com/2023/08/25/fire-at-marathon-refinery-in-st-john-parish-burns-for-seven-hours/I am unaware of any propane-powered motorgliders; perhaps you can enlighten me?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/05/20/refinery-fires-east-texas-pollution/
Tom 2GAbout as relevant to a soaring discussion group as a fire in an energy storage facility, unless you just want to rant about technology that you dislike. No one is forcing you to by an EV, battery storage, or an FES glider. Most can make our own
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 9:22:54 PM UTC-7, GliderCZ wrote:decisions regardless of someone propagandizing for the luddite community. You started the thread, right?
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:20:23 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:56:31 AM UTC-7, GliderCZ wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 5:44:27 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMngThis just in! Rash of spectacular fires sparks doubts about decades-old energy policies!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwwWkvzlco8 https://lailluminator.com/2023/08/25/fire-at-marathon-refinery-in-st-john-parish-burns-for-seven-hours/I am unaware of any propane-powered motorgliders; perhaps you can enlighten me?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/05/20/refinery-fires-east-texas-pollution/
Tom 2GAbout as relevant to a soaring discussion group as a fire in an energy storage facility, unless you just want to rant about technology that you dislike. No one is forcing you to by an EV, battery storage, or an FES glider. Most can make our own
And, in the paper this morning: "Hyundai, Kia recall more than 3M cars over fire risk". Three million is a lot of cars, and they are warning owners to park their cars outside! So far, over 21 fires and 22 "thermal events".They're NOT battery fires (sorta topic of this thread), but ABS module fires, whether car is running or off.
Well, I'm not going to buy any car that uses brake fluid until they develop something safer.
I am unaware of any propane-powered motorgliders; perhaps you can enlighten me?
Tom 2G
https://youtu.be/LH2UOC2TMng?si=Bh6RqXZmi7WpLW0LHow about an introduction, so I have some reason to watch the video? The usual stuff: an abstract of the presentation, credibility of the source, something about your credibility, why it's worth 30 minutes of my time.
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:20:23 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:decisions regardless of someone propagandizing for the luddite community. You started the thread, right?
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:56:31 AM UTC-7, GliderCZ wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 5:44:27 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMngThis just in! Rash of spectacular fires sparks doubts about decades-old energy policies!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwwWkvzlco8 https://lailluminator.com/2023/08/25/fire-at-marathon-refinery-in-st-john-parish-burns-for-seven-hours/I am unaware of any propane-powered motorgliders; perhaps you can enlighten me?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/05/20/refinery-fires-east-texas-pollution/
Tom 2GAbout as relevant to a soaring discussion group as a fire in an energy storage facility, unless you just want to rant about technology that you dislike. No one is forcing you to by an EV, battery storage, or an FES glider. Most can make our own
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 9:22:54 PM UTC-7, GliderCZ wrote:decisions regardless of someone propagandizing for the luddite community. You started the thread, right?
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:20:23 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:56:31 AM UTC-7, GliderCZ wrote:About as relevant to a soaring discussion group as a fire in an energy storage facility, unless you just want to rant about technology that you dislike. No one is forcing you to by an EV, battery storage, or an FES glider. Most can make our own
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 5:44:27 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:I am unaware of any propane-powered motorgliders; perhaps you can enlighten me?
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:This just in! Rash of spectacular fires sparks doubts about decades-old energy policies!
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwwWkvzlco8
https://lailluminator.com/2023/08/25/fire-at-marathon-refinery-in-st-john-parish-burns-for-seven-hours/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/05/20/refinery-fires-east-texas-pollution/
Tom 2G
With all due respect, you are not the moderator of RAS. In fact, the group is NOT moderated, which leaves it to each of us to decide what is and what is not relevant. Most readers here do not have a professional background in electrical engineering - Ido. Thus, I have an insight into battery safety that most others do not. Furthermore, what I decide to buy and don't buy certainly is none of your business and is irrelevant to the topic. I suggest that you, simply, don't read topics you are uninterested
Tom 2G
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