• FLARM Portable question

    From Hank Nixon@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 4 12:26:55 2023
    Can a remote display (Butterfly) control a FLARM portable so it can be mounted remotely?
    I can see the Butterfly show FLARM display info but can't make it control such as turning on and off and changing pages like knob on the front of the portable does.
    Thanks in advance.
    UH

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  • From Dave Nadler@21:1/5 to Dave Nadler on Fri Aug 4 13:56:25 2023
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 4:35:55 PM UTC-4, Dave Nadler wrote:
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 3:26:57 PM UTC-4, Hank Nixon wrote:
    Can a remote display (Butterfly) control a FLARM portable so it can be mounted remotely?
    Nope, sorry Hank, Butterfly is generally used with no-display FLARM units. Best Regards, Dave "YO"

    Apologies, correct Nerd link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvoBpfK7iEQ

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  • From Dave Nadler@21:1/5 to Hank Nixon on Fri Aug 4 13:35:53 2023
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 3:26:57 PM UTC-4, Hank Nixon wrote:
    Can a remote display (Butterfly) control a FLARM portable so it can be mounted remotely?

    Nope, sorry Hank, Butterfly is generally used with no-display FLARM units.
    Best Regards, Dave "YO"

    PS: For nerd amusement: https://studio.youtube.com/video/pvoBpfK7iEQ/edit

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  • From Michael Bamberg@21:1/5 to Dave Nadler on Fri Aug 4 14:49:01 2023
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 1:56:27 PM UTC-7, Dave Nadler wrote:
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 4:35:55 PM UTC-4, Dave Nadler wrote:
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 3:26:57 PM UTC-4, Hank Nixon wrote:
    Can a remote display (Butterfly) control a FLARM portable so it can be mounted remotely?
    Nope, sorry Hank, Butterfly is generally used with no-display FLARM units. Best Regards, Dave "YO"

    Apologies, correct Nerd link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvoBpfK7iEQ
    Hank,

    I have a similar situation in a Libelle my club owns. The real issue is that the Portable cannot be powered-on just by adding power to the inputs: you must push the large button for several seconds to initiate the power-on. If anyone know a good way
    around this I'm looking for details.

    Mike.

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  • From mropitz1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Hank Nixon on Fri Aug 4 17:24:13 2023
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 3:26:57 PM UTC-4, Hank Nixon wrote:
    Can a remote display (Butterfly) control a FLARM portable so it can be mounted remotely?
    I can see the Butterfly show FLARM display info but can't make it control such as turning on and off and changing pages like knob on the front of the portable does.
    Thanks in advance.
    UH


    UH,

    I had that setup for several years using a Flarmview display.
    I didn't like the portable blocking my forward view, so
    I used the (forward) battery mounting clips on the floor
    (of my D-2b) behind the instrument panel to hold the
    portable unit, and ran wires for the antennas up to the
    glare shield. Because I have a tilt-up panel, the portable
    unit was easily accessible before I got in for launch, so
    I just pushed the button and powered it up that way.
    In doing this I no longer used the portable's display while
    airborne, so when I learned that the Brick might have
    better range, I traded the portable for a Brick in the same
    location.

    Hope this helps.

    Mike Opitz
    RO

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  • From Hank Nixon@21:1/5 to mrop...@gmail.com on Sat Aug 5 05:38:08 2023
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:24:16 PM UTC-4, mrop...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 3:26:57 PM UTC-4, Hank Nixon wrote:
    Can a remote display (Butterfly) control a FLARM portable so it can be mounted remotely?
    I can see the Butterfly show FLARM display info but can't make it control such as turning on and off and changing pages like knob on the front of the portable does.
    Thanks in advance.
    UH

    UH,

    I had that setup for several years using a Flarmview display.
    I didn't like the portable blocking my forward view, so
    I used the (forward) battery mounting clips on the floor
    (of my D-2b) behind the instrument panel to hold the
    portable unit, and ran wires for the antennas up to the
    glare shield. Because I have a tilt-up panel, the portable
    unit was easily accessible before I got in for launch, so
    I just pushed the button and powered it up that way.
    In doing this I no longer used the portable's display while
    airborne, so when I learned that the Brick might have
    better range, I traded the portable for a Brick in the same
    location.

    Hope this helps.

    Mike Opitz
    RO

    We may be able to do similar in the Libelle.
    Thanks!
    UH

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  • From Martin Gregorie@21:1/5 to Hank Nixon on Sat Aug 5 14:06:16 2023
    On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 05:38:08 -0700 (PDT), Hank Nixon wrote:

    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:24:16 PM UTC-4, mrop...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 3:26:57 PM UTC-4, Hank Nixon wrote:
    Can a remote display (Butterfly) control a FLARM portable so it can
    be mounted remotely?
    I can see the Butterfly show FLARM display info but can't make it
    control such as turning on and off and changing pages like knob on
    the front of the portable does.
    Thanks in advance.
    UH

    UH,

    I had that setup for several years using a Flarmview display.
    I didn't like the portable blocking my forward view, so I used the
    (forward) battery mounting clips on the floor (of my D-2b) behind the
    instrument panel to hold the portable unit, and ran wires for the
    antennas up to the glare shield. Because I have a tilt-up panel, the
    portable unit was easily accessible before I got in for launch, so I
    just pushed the button and powered it up that way.
    In doing this I no longer used the portable's display while airborne,
    so when I learned that the Brick might have better range, I traded the
    portable for a Brick in the same location.

    Hope this helps.

    Mike Opitz RO

    We may be able to do similar in the Libelle.
    Thanks!
    UH

    Another possibility for a Libelle is to mount the FLARM antenna a few
    inches in front of the instrument panel tray. I got this idea from
    Thorsten Mauritsen, a Danish Libelle pilot: here's a picture:

    https://www.gregorie.org/gliding/libelle/FLARM_dipole_mount.html

    You'll need to experiment a bit to hit the sweet spot: the antenna should
    be about half-way between the array of instruments on the panel and the
    rudder pedals, but its exact position is fairly critical. When its in the correct position you'll get good 360 degree coverage, but if the antenna
    is too close to the instruments in the panel or too far from them, you'll
    find that the FLARM range BEHIND the glider is reduced, so presumably the
    ratio of FLARM wavelength to the antenna distance from the metal in the instruments and/or the rudder pedals is critical.

    I optimised the antenna placement by trial and error: making flights and analysing the traces from them by using the FLARM coverage analyser on the Flarm website. After each flight I moved the antenna along the piece of
    fishing rod until the coverage was close to even round the full 360
    degrees. From memory this only took 3 or 4 flights to get acceptable all-
    round coverage, which surprised me because I was expecting it to take more
    more like 5 or 6 flights.

    Something similar may also work in other gliders with glass fuselages,
    provided they don't have more metal in the vicinity of the instrument
    panel than a Libelle, with its original glass panel, has.


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    Martin | martin at
    Gregorie | gregorie dot org

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